Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine

[Linkcat]

We could policy lynch shock for self-voting, but since it's shock I doubt it would be worth it.

[RootRanger]

Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?

Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.

[Linkcat]

FGO Note: Sub already tried to shorten the night phase before the game started and I vetoed it. The reason is that since we have players from around the world with busy lives, a single back and forth can take more than 24 hours. This is especially important for the mafia team to decide the Nightkill and ability uses. Longer night phases also keep the game at a reasonable pace. Phases will stay at a 48 hour minimum.

[MasterWalks]

Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?

Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.

Then why not kaempf?
JCJ's excuse is that he likes and misses Espi. He even says Espi may or may not be town or whatever. JCJ is not voting seriously.
Kaempf votes me because he is sooo sure that Espi is town. Kaempf is voting seriously.
JCJ is not going to change his vote because its not a serious one. Kaempf literally said he would if he was swayed to another vote.

Either way, not really a fan of that strategy. I dont think a single vote on either of them will change their opinions because neither of them are sketchy or all that scummy. Your vote would be much more helpful on voting Espi, me, or shock.

[RootRanger]

If every player only voting on one of three different targets each round, it would be impossible for the GN to leave breadcrumbs and get away with it. If GN managed to find a mafia last round, they need to be able to layer in a vote on that player.

[ddevans96]

More chat for the mafia gods:

Spoiler for Chat Log - 0000 GMT (regarding: shock's thoughts, dd/Espi/MW triangle, Root's vote, jcj's behavior:

first section is scarce in content, but including for context:

[2019-05-23 17:46:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› unless you can make a psychologist jealous with your mindreading abilities (in which case how have you not figured out not to get everyone to want to lynch you?) there is no way you could have anywhere near enough info now to go against agreed upon town strategy and make a difference in the day you have left to live
[2019-05-23 17:46:43] ‹Linkcat› Oh, the same one as you.
[2019-05-23 17:46:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› KONG*
[2019-05-23 17:47:06] ‹Espithel› Yes I have that curse too
[2019-05-23 17:47:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› When he was brandonC6 or something
[2019-05-23 17:47:13] ‹Espithel› Just not as extreme. Anymore. I hope.
[2019-05-23 17:47:37] ‹Linkcat› Now stop calling people weird things or I will actually lynch you.
[2019-05-23 17:47:39] ‹kaempfer13› paying attention to votes against you is useless if everyone votes you
[2019-05-23 17:47:48] ‹Linkcat› lmao
[2019-05-23 17:48:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› daddy and mommy are old school. I suggest LOLLY LINKY
[2019-05-23 17:48:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It has a ring to it
[2019-05-23 17:48:31] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› On another topic. I am missing a tournament trophy. I already have the code though.
[2019-05-23 17:48:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› lol you want a post?
[2019-05-23 17:48:37] ‹shockcannon› sure
[2019-05-23 17:48:37] ‹Calindu› We should pay attention to anyone who wagons late into the day tbh
[2019-05-23 17:48:41] ‹shockcannon› i'll indulge you
[2019-05-23 17:48:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› i dont think iam to anymore
[2019-05-23 17:48:51] ‹shockcannon› you won't like it though, but that shouldn't surprise you
[2019-05-23 17:48:54] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› agreed
[2019-05-23 17:49:03] ‹Linkcat› Fun fact: The largest vote train ever on a single person was led by me on Espithel with 27/30 votes.
[2019-05-23 17:49:41] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› was he a mafia?
[2019-05-23 17:49:49] ‹Espithel› No
[2019-05-23 17:49:49] ‹Linkcat› No
[2019-05-23 17:49:54] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› I don't even complain
[2019-05-23 17:49:58] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[2019-05-23 17:50:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Linkcat was mafia
[2019-05-23 17:50:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Jk jk idk
[2019-05-23 17:50:11] ‹Espithel› "We should lynch experienced people because they might be turnt into mafia"
[2019-05-23 17:50:14] ‹Espithel› :clap@
[2019-05-23 17:50:30] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› All right sorry to bother you. :p
[2019-05-23 17:50:31] ‹Linkcat› If anyone calls me lolly linky I will mod your posts.
[2019-05-23 17:50:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock, read that
[2019-05-23 17:50:41] ‹Espithel› Loli Lini uwu
[2019-05-23 17:50:49] ‹Linkcat› You deserved to die for that.
[2019-05-23 17:50:54] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› If you’re getting lynched it’s because they’re scared of your experience
[2019-05-23 17:51:06] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Linkcat› I’m not in mafia can’t mod
[2019-05-23 17:51:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› If you link me for fursecution that's just proof you're scum
[2019-05-23 17:51:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Another alternative is
[2019-05-23 17:51:35] ‹Espithel› In both senses of the world
[2019-05-23 17:51:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› CUTIE CATTY
[2019-05-23 17:51:44] ‹Espithel› Let me be a pathetic shitstain in peace
[2019-05-23 17:53:18] ‹Coffeeditto› hello
[2019-05-23 17:53:20] ‹shockcannon› you know
[2019-05-23 17:53:26] ‹Espithel› Hi!
[2019-05-23 17:53:35] ‹shockcannon› if day phases were shorter I may be able to stay silent long enough in chat and thread to go under the radar
[2019-05-23 17:53:36] ‹Linkcat› Ah, it was Mafia 49.
[2019-05-23 17:53:37] ‹shockcannon› but alas it's not
[2019-05-23 17:53:39] ‹shockcannon› and i get bored
[2019-05-23 17:53:40] ‹Linkcat› I was mafia that game.
[2019-05-23 17:53:47] ‹Espithel› only 49?
[2019-05-23 17:53:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I called it
[2019-05-23 17:53:53] ‹Espithel› I thought it was 57.
[2019-05-23 17:53:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I fing called it
[2019-05-23 17:54:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Without even reading the game
[2019-05-23 17:54:13] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I called it
[2019-05-23 17:54:47] ‹ddevans96› if you get bored after two days, you need more hobbies
[2019-05-23 17:55:03] ‹Coffeeditto› when I get bored in mafia, I just don't post
[2019-05-23 17:55:10] ‹Coffeeditto› which is the same as if I am not bored
[2019-05-23 17:55:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› i thought i wasnt going to like it
[2019-05-23 17:55:16] ‹Coffeeditto› very nice tactic
[2019-05-23 17:55:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› We're proud of you. Now all you need is a buff and you could actually inflict some damage.
[2019-05-23 17:55:18] ‹MasterWalks› that was lame.
[2019-05-23 17:55:23] ‹MasterWalks› and you say we are boring lmao

conversation gets much more dense here:

[2019-05-23 17:55:46] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you know what
[2019-05-23 17:56:00] ‹shockcannon› i'll actually journal my present thoughts throughout this game
[2019-05-23 17:56:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, come on, step up
[2019-05-23 17:56:09] ‹shockcannon› and share afterwards how noob you are
[2019-05-23 17:56:13] ‹ddevans96› yeah, perfect
[2019-05-23 17:56:36] ‹shockcannon› actually that may be too boring. You'll get a half promise on that happening
[2019-05-23 17:56:50] ‹MasterWalks› sure, make a diary.
[2019-05-23 17:56:50] ‹ddevans96› no, that'd be super exciting
[2019-05-23 17:56:53] ‹ddevans96› do it
[2019-05-23 17:57:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› everyone will know your future gameplan then!! They’ll copy it and it’ll become the meta plan’
[2019-05-23 17:57:24] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› *!
[2019-05-23 17:57:30] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[2019-05-23 17:57:42] ‹Linkcat› I agree, thoughts written down during the game are always fun to read.
[2019-05-23 17:57:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1›
[2019-05-23 17:58:01] ‹kaempfer13› I dont really like how dd is holding onto mws claim just because mw didnt back down from it (while providing no reason that wouldnt apply to everyone else or is just as likely to come from a towny) and linkcat joining in just because uwu
[2019-05-23 17:58:42] ‹ddevans96› elaborate
[2019-05-23 17:58:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› Youre holding onto your vote on me for.... wait idk what for.
[2019-05-23 17:59:06] ‹shockcannon› "N0: MasterWalks F*cks up and reveals that he used an ability. Whatever, more info for me."
[2019-05-23 17:59:12] ‹Linkcat› It's Day 1, every vote is baseless.
[2019-05-23 17:59:33] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› my alternative rn is shockcannon
[2019-05-23 18:00:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› The amount of chat that has happened already, no vote should be completely baseless
[2019-05-23 18:00:20] ‹kaempfer13› both of you fucked up according to the official logically agreed upon town plan
[2019-05-23 18:00:27] ‹shockcannon› "N1: ddevans96 is big nub. Good chats in the chat though. put on a real show for all the silent noob hanging around. I got the responses out of the people I wanted. ddevans def town, too nub to be mafia with his chats. moehrpi enters chat and offers just enough for me to get a read. I may try to lynch that kid for beating me in WC. Would be worth. He got lucky af that I threw game 3"
[2019-05-23 18:00:45] ‹Linkcat› lmao
[2019-05-23 18:00:46] ‹ddevans96› true facts
[2019-05-23 18:01:33] ‹ddevans96› but honestly, MW doubling down establishes him as either aggro town or aggro mafia
[2019-05-23 18:01:38] ‹moehrpi› I'm laughing way too hard.
[2019-05-23 18:01:49] ‹kaempfer13› and there are enough people mentally ready to vote shock and apparently we are supposed to learn sth from those votes?
[2019-05-23 18:01:52] ‹Linkcat› I really doubt he's aggro mafia.
[2019-05-23 18:02:04] ‹ddevans96› if he's aggro mafia, then eventually he'll slip up and we'll know for sure, unless he plays perfectly (and that is EXTREMELY rare here, no shade)
[2019-05-23 18:02:16] ‹Linkcat› I think mafia MW would play more calculated.
[2019-05-23 18:02:17] ‹moehrpi› But as kae mentioned earlier I am one of those that won't see the conclusion of this game alive.
[2019-05-23 18:02:23] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, that's the less likely scenario, I agree
[2019-05-23 18:02:36] ‹Linkcat› Actually you have a good chance to live to the end.
[2019-05-23 18:02:43] ‹moehrpi› ...same as shock saw the end of g9 in the final.
[2019-05-23 18:02:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› tbh, Im only aggro rn. After tonight ill probably simmer down to d2d levels
[2019-05-23 18:02:53] ‹kaempfer13› i have not reembelished my vote
[2019-05-23 18:03:01] ‹ddevans96› fair - but regardless, for now, your play is aggro
[2019-05-23 18:03:22] ‹ddevans96› I still find the Espi/MW interactions to be the most intriguing things in the thread so far
[2019-05-23 18:04:08] ‹ddevans96› me maintaining my vote on Espi isn't really about them alone, though
[2019-05-23 18:04:39] ‹Linkcat› When discussion dies down I'll have to read through everything to form an opinion.
[2019-05-23 18:04:47] ‹ddevans96› more of a big picture thing. have to start somewhere, I like that spot
[2019-05-23 18:04:52] ‹moehrpi› I also can't tell why Root voted on JCJ. That might turn out interesting or bland, idk.
[2019-05-23 18:05:14] ‹kaempfer13› i strongly feel espi is town and too lazy to defend himself
[2019-05-23 18:05:16] ‹Linkcat› I always like my vote when it's on Espi.
[2019-05-23 18:05:25] ‹ddevans96› Root gave the answer I expected
[2019-05-23 18:05:33] ‹ddevans96› doesn't move the needle for me. it's the safe/smart answer
[2019-05-23 18:06:00] ‹kaempfer13› espi may be more likely to be mafia, but I think neither actually is
[2019-05-23 18:06:03] ‹ddevans96› he defended himself, just not in a super direct manner
[2019-05-23 18:06:08] ‹ddevans96› consistent with what he usually does
[2019-05-23 18:06:17] ‹Linkcat› ‹@moehrpi› Do you not understand his explanation?
[2019-05-23 18:06:41] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Linkcat› Oh, I got it.
[2019-05-23 18:06:41] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ahhhh
[2019-05-23 18:06:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› put me in this mafia already
[2019-05-23 18:06:49] ‹moehrpi› Was looking for an actual reason.
[2019-05-23 18:07:11] ‹moehrpi› It just confused me that he would vote alongside someone else.
[2019-05-23 18:07:59] ‹kaempfer13› jcj was quietish and jumped on an easy to support lynch
[2019-05-23 18:08:01] ‹moehrpi› I was uncomfortable with the responsibility that might put on me as I just hoped to get a response.
[2019-05-23 18:08:16] ‹moehrpi› Without actuallly doing anything.
[2019-05-23 18:08:20] ‹MasterWalks› I hope to god that shock isnt phoenix
[2019-05-23 18:08:30] ‹ddevans96› jcj could just be lurky town though
[2019-05-23 18:08:32] ‹MasterWalks› can you imagine a non-stop immortal shock in mafia?
[2019-05-23 18:08:36] ‹Linkcat› Lmao I hope to god he is.
[2019-05-23 18:08:40] ‹ddevans96› like I said, I put very little value on d1 interactions
[2019-05-23 18:08:45] ‹ddevans96› that'd be lit ngl
[2019-05-23 18:08:52] ‹Linkcat› JCJ seemed quiet but his explanation makes sense.
[2019-05-23 18:09:39] ‹moehrpi› But it did escape my mind that he already answered when I first mentioned it. That's why my comment is a bit off. :/
[2019-05-23 18:10:05] ‹kaempfer13› I cant imagine another reason why root would choose him
[2019-05-23 18:10:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if phoenix is killed, they cant talk in thread tho
[2019-05-23 18:10:38] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› or was that rule changed
[2019-05-23 18:11:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› JCJ did respond before Root voted for him, though.
[2019-05-23 18:11:41] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› phoenix can talk but not vote
[2019-05-23 18:11:57] ‹MasterWalks› reverse from mafia 70
[2019-05-23 18:12:13] ‹kaempfer13› is he usually not an advocate for chaos?
[2019-05-23 18:12:54] ‹kaempfer13› i mean its widely agreed that chaos is bad for town, but it doesnt seem out of character for town jcj
[2019-05-23 18:13:12] ‹kaempfer13› certainly not mafia jcj ofc
[2019-05-23 18:13:32] ‹MasterWalks› town jcj shotgun blasts "scum" into the thread
[2019-05-23 18:13:59] ‹moehrpi› Here I am talking about Root and didn't even see his last post...
[2019-05-23 18:18:53] ‹shockcannon› for reals
[2019-05-23 18:19:01] ‹shockcannon› whats the point of GA if they can't protect GN
[2019-05-23 18:19:13] ‹shockcannon› actually the stupidest rule in the game
[2019-05-23 18:20:01] ‹Linkcat› JCJ will come back and say that you guys are reading too much into his vote and votes don't mean much on Day 1.
[2019-05-23 18:20:06] ‹Linkcat› Which I agree with.
[2019-05-23 18:21:00] ‹Linkcat› The point is that they can protect any other player.
[2019-05-23 18:21:14] ‹Linkcat› You shouldn't be relying on the cop to win the game.
[2019-05-23 18:22:07] ‹MasterWalks› thank you
[2019-05-23 18:22:16] ‹MasterWalks› thats exactly what my post says
[2019-05-23 18:22:16] ‹shockcannon› golden nymph should try harder to hide then
[2019-05-23 18:23:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› nonseriousvotes are more likely to change
[2019-05-23 18:24:14] ‹kaempfer13› and the only reason i havent flipped to shock yet is because there is a faint promise of somehow gaining info from voting him
[2019-05-23 18:24:26] ‹MasterWalks› no theres not
[2019-05-23 18:24:43] ‹shockcannon› the real struggle of this game is holding back the urge to info bomb the thread, which will win the game but also make everyone hate you
[2019-05-23 18:24:57] ‹MasterWalks› what info could a mindflayer (if thats even true) have that no one else does?
[2019-05-23 18:25:17] ‹shockcannon› I'll try to survive a little longer this game
[2019-05-23 18:25:21] ‹shockcannon› expect an info bomb on day 3
[2019-05-23 18:25:38] ‹Linkcat› Looking forward to it.
[2019-05-23 18:25:45] ‹MasterWalks› yea might want to take some time to actually get some info
[2019-05-23 18:25:51] ‹ddevans96› no way he's actually Flayer
[2019-05-23 18:25:52] ‹moehrpi› Expect shosk to get NK'd N2. >.
[2019-05-23 18:25:54] ‹kaempfer13› and me voting him would reveal nothing but that i dont approve of people who dont give town reliable info/or actively roleblock them

[Linkcat]

Right, here's my fake GN breadcrumb.

Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat

[Linkcat]

Okay, back to Espi.

Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon

[Espithel]

Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?

Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.

Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.

Until you do, I'm going to create the greatest anime betrayal for self-preservation.

Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon

[Linkcat]

Why did you choose JCJ out of the three people who had 2 votes?

[Espithel]

Because he likes me.

[Espithel]

Serious EBWOP:

I'm willing to change my vote for pretty obvious reasons. I'm pretty apathetic who dies, including myself.
I'm waiting for Root to respond before I vote seriously. I don't understand his position.

I don't like Shock. That's not a scumread.