Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise.
The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Not sure about any of this. If he was mafia, and wanted to use the tool to his advantage, wouldn't it have been the safer play to
not post publicly, in order to not remind people/let people know that it exists? Or even just bring it directly to Sub? I don't see how mafia gains anything from such an elaborate metagaming gambit.
Also - sending a PM doesn't really role reveal at all, since many roles PM, and most of the people in this game have other forum responsibilities. I think reading into this too much at all is unproductive. Maybe even a diversion.
Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory. It feels like it's forcing a conclusion.
Basically, this whole post seems like it's pushing an agenda a little too hard.
Additionally:
You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.
I want to reiterate the last part of this - MW also stated he used an ability. In my opinion, this is detrimental to town - we agreed not to use (most) offensive and defensive roles, so this narrows down your potential abilities, a piece of information that helps the mafia more right now. And furthermore, unlike iancu's statement, which we could potentially get information from immediately if we chose, there's no such potential benefit for town from MW's statement.
(aside: I don't think iancu should reveal specifics right away - it's just worth noting that does create a plan we could pursue if we desired)
So, we lynch Espithel.
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
This accomplishes the following:
Most important, MW has voiced suspicion of him, creating a minor feud. By lynching one, we potentially gain information. I do want to point out, however, that there are four mafia - it would not be unwise for one of them to play very aggressive, potentially even bussing their own teammate to move suspicion away from themselves. This is a gambit that can win games, so Espi being mafia would not completely clear MW. But it does give us information to work with when analyzing future interactions, regardless.
The reason I pick Espi over MW is because it doubles as a petty lynch - in the early game, scum reads often fluctuate, like an earthquake chart. They're often very low or high based on minimal evidence, then switch to the other end quickly, etc, before stabilizing a couple rounds in. Acting on a petty lynch counteracts some of the bias created by early-game read fluctuations.
You all are actually so boring to read. I don't think shortening night phase is going to make that any more bearable. Let's speed things up a bit. I'm mind flayer. The person I blocked last night is hidden somewhere in this message. Have fun.
Anyone want to be in charge of this bullshit?
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