Post by: Linkcat on May 14, 2019, 11:14:50 am
Elements Mafia
Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icedoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, Naii_the_Baf, and Submachine.
All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the mafia (False Gods), and a majority faction, the innocents (Elementals). The False Gods start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. The Elementals start the game not knowing who is a False God and who is a fellow Elemental, and their goal is to kill all of the False Gods.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
Village - Town
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
General Mafia Rules
1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7. The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the blab chat.
Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Post by: Submachine on May 14, 2019, 11:51:42 am
Night 0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289440/#msg1289440)
Day 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289552/#msg1289552)
Night 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289796/#msg1289796)
Day 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289884/#msg1289884)
Night 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290100/#msg1290100)
Day 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290201/#msg1290201)
Night 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290360/#msg1290360)
Day 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290486/#msg1290486)
Night 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290553/#msg1290553)
Day 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290606/#msg1290606)
Night 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290724/#msg1290724)
Day 6 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290806/#msg1290806)
Night 6 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290877/#msg1290877)
Day 7 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290910/#msg1290910)
Game End (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1291056/#msg1291056)
| Player Name | Primary Role | Secondary Role | Died On | Died By |
| JonathanCrazyJ | Elemental | Fate Egg, Guardian Angel | Day 1 | Lynch |
| PlayerOa | Elemental | Seraph | Night 1 | Nightkill |
| iancudorinmarian | Elemental | Fate Egg, Otyugh | Day 2 | Lynch |
| dawn to dusk | Elemental | Otyugh | Night 2 | Nightkill |
| Coffeeditto | Elemental | Iridium Warden | Day 3 | Modkill |
| moehrpi | Elemental | Guardian Angel | Day 3 | Lynch |
| kaempfer13 | Elemental | Otyugh | Night 3 | Nightkill |
| Espithel | Paradox | Green Nymph | Day 4 | Lynch |
| MasterWalks | Elemental | Golden Nymph | Night 4 | Nightkill |
| Linkcat | Fire Queen | Firefly Queen | Day 5 | Lynch |
| immortal_feud | Elemental | Crusader, Golden Nymph | Night 5 | Nightkill |
| InsignificantWeeaboo | Elemental | Iridium Warden | Day 6 | Lynch |
| Mobian | Elemental | Amber Nymph | Night 6 | Nightkill |
| mathman101 | Elemental | Psion | Day 7 | Lynch |
| ddevans96 | Elemental | Anubis | Day 7 | Losing |
| shockcannon | Elemental | Mind Flayer | Day 7 | Losing |
| Calindu | Elemental | Firefly Queen | Day 7 | Losing |
Alive:
15. RootRanger: Mind Flayer
17. Ginyu: Anubis
Elements Mafia Reloaded
Game Rules
1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.
2.
3. If the lynch is tied, No Lynch will occur.
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch.
5. Declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.
6. Town wins if all the Mafia are dead. Mafia wins if they achieve parity at the beginning of a Day.
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 5 minutes have passed since the last vote. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling.
8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
9. NO COMMUNICATION IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD, EXCEPT FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA. You may communicate in the official Elements chat, but all relevant messages MUST be posted in this thread.
10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the ruleset in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game.
Primary Roles
False Gods
The False Gods start the game as a team. Their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. Each Night, they perform a Nightkill on an Elemental of their choosing. The Nightkill interrupts lower priority targets.
Elementals
The Elementals are the townsfolk of the game. Their goal is to kill all of the False Gods through lynching and the use of abilities.
Secondary Roles
All Secondary abilities are activated by PMing your action to the host during the Night Phase. You may not target yourself with any ability unless specified. If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night. If an OU ability fails, you may use it again.
Key:
ER - Every Round.
EoR - Every Other Round.
OU - One Use.
Passive - Triggers Automatically.
Information Roles
Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. Exactly one Elemental and zero False Gods always start with this role.
Psion - ER
Psionic Link - Target a player. Their secondary abilities are revealed to you.
Dragonfly - ER
Fly on the Wall - Target a player. You see who they targeted and who targeted them this Night. This ability works on higher priority targets too.
Firefly Queen - ER
Queen - Generate a firefly that follows target player. The fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw activated, but the cute little guys aren't smart enough to tell you whether an ability was used by your target or on your target. Fireflies are unaffected by all abilities that prevent targeting. If a firefly doesn't witness any abilities, it will wander up to your target and be caught. The target will be notified if they catch a firefly. Fireflies cannot report higher priority activity and will act as not seeing an ability if that's the only thing they would see.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them. Guard does not block abilities that are higher on the priority list.
Offensive Roles
If two roleblocking roles with the same priority target each other, both abilities fail. If only one targets the other, the ability of the one that was targeted fails.
Toadfish - OU
Inflate - Target player is Poisoned. Target is notified late.
Otyugh - OU
Devour - Target player dies and your role is revealed. If you eat a Toadfish or a player that was Poisoned, you become Poisoned.
Mind Flayer - ER
Psionic Wave - Target a player. They cannot use their ability this Night. Cannot disable Burrow.
Arctic Squid - EoR
Freeze - Target player is Frozen.
Ghost of the Past - ER
Obsession - Target a player. Only affects one player at a time. When you die, their secondary roles have their abilities replaced with Obsessed - ER - Activates automatically. You can't stop thinking about a dead man.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them. Guard does not block abilities that are higher on the priority list.
Defensive Roles
Guardian Angel - ER
Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles that target them this Night. This ability fails if the target was Healed by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.
Graboid - OU
Evolve - Become a Shrieker. You start the game Burrowed.
Shrieker - ER
Burrow/Unburrow - Switch between being Burrowed and unburrowed. You may not start the game with this role.
Seraph - EoR
Divine Shield - You cannot be targeted this Night. Mind Flayers can block this ability.
Phoenix - OU
Ash - This role automatically activates during the phase you die. If this ability is successful, you can talk after your death.
Anubis - EoR
Immortality - Target any player including yourself. They become Immaterial.
Green Nymph - ER
Adrenaline - Target any player including yourself. They gain Adrenaline.
Amber Nymph - EoR
Unstoppable - Target any player including yourself. They gain Momentum.
Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they can not be targeted by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them. Guard does not block abilities that are higher on the priority list.
Role Roles
These roles do not disappear when you use them. You will be revealed as having both roles when you die.
Crusader - OU
Endow - Target a player. You gain their secondary ability. Passive abilities trigger immediately. Can be used again if the ability fails.
Vulture - OU
Scavenger - Gain target dead player's secondary role. Only Vultures can target dead players.
"Fun" Roles
Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - Activates automatically at the start of each Night Phase. You receive a random secondary role other than Fate Egg, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You can use your received role. The roles given by Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role, but abilities given by Endow and Scavenger will stay.
Status Effects
You are notified when you gain a status effect, except for Poison which notifies you on the Night you die. Status effects are permanent, unless it's mentioned otherwise.
Burrowed - You may not vote or be targeted by any ability. Burrowed players do not count towards parity. Voting while Burrowed without Adrenaline results in death.
Poisoned - You die at the end of the second Night Phase after you were poisoned.
Frozen - You may not vote or use any secondary ability. Wears off at the end of the Day Phase.
Adrenaline - You ignore the Frozen status and you can not be Guarded, you may vote while Burrowed, and you die immediately when Poisoned.
Immaterial - You may not be targeted by any secondary ability. Wears off after death.
Momentum - The activations and effects of your abilities can not be prevented or redirected, unless the target is Burrowed. However, being Frozen or Guarded can still block your ability. Momentum does not help abilities that would normally fail (no consecutive Heals). Ignores Immaterial.
Role Priority
Hatch [Fate Egg]
Burrow/Unburrow [Graboid/Shrieker]
Psionic Wave [Mind Flayer]
Queen [Firefly Queen]
Divine Shield [Seraph]
Guard [Iridium Warden]
Unstoppable/Adrenaline [Amber Nymph/Green Nymph]
Immortality [Anubis]
Freeze [Arctic Squid]
Heal/Endow/Scavenger [Guardian Angel/Crusader/Vulture]
Obsession [Ghost of the Past]
Ash [Phoenix]
Nightkill
Inflate [Toadfish]
Devour [Otyugh]
Precognition/Fly on the Wall/Psionic Link [Golden Nymph/Dragonfly/Psion]
Signup List
1. iancudorinmarian
2. Linkcat
3. PlayerOa
4. JonathanCrazyJ
5. immortal_feud
6. kaempfer13
7. ddevans96
8. dawn to dusk
9. InsignificantWeeaboo
10. Espithel
11. MasterWalks
12. Mobian
13. Coffeeditto
14. mathman101
15. RootRanger
16. shockcannon
17. Ginyu
18. Calindu
19. moehrpi
Signups have ended.
Edit 1 (May 23rd): Changed Phoenix and Fate Egg at the end of Night 0. See the Day 1 post.
Phoenix - ER
Ash - This role activates automatically every Night. If you die after successfully using this role, you can talk after your death.
All roles except Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role.
Ash - This role activates automatically every Night. If you die after successfully using this role, you can talk after your death.
All roles except Fate Egg are replaced every time Hatch gives you a new role.
Edit 2 (May 28th): Removed the part from Rule 1 that phases must be 48+ hours long. Phases might still be 48+ hours long. Crossed out the part about mafia having to send in their NK in a PM. Declaring the intention in the Mafia Pad is also a valid way to target.
Edit 3 (May 30th): Added Fate Egg to JCJ's and iancu's death log. Obsession and Heal no longer have the same priority.
Post by: Submachine on May 14, 2019, 11:52:27 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 14, 2019, 11:53:39 am
inb4 dawn
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 14, 2019, 11:54:54 am
This is mafia. Not Survivor.
/out
Post by: Linkcat on May 14, 2019, 11:56:48 am
If I don't roll Firefly Queen I will be upset.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 14, 2019, 12:05:31 pm
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 14, 2019, 12:06:24 pm
Post by: immortal feud on May 14, 2019, 12:06:45 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 14, 2019, 12:07:54 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 14, 2019, 12:11:05 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 14, 2019, 12:12:13 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 14, 2019, 04:59:34 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 14, 2019, 10:55:54 pm
So, like
In
Post by: MasterWalks on May 14, 2019, 11:06:33 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 14, 2019, 11:20:17 pm
another chance to crush shock, in
Bold prediction. You're lucky kaempf joined this.
Post by: Mobian on May 15, 2019, 12:33:01 am
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 15, 2019, 01:23:59 am
Post by: mathman101 on May 15, 2019, 02:48:59 am
Post by: RootRanger on May 15, 2019, 06:45:33 pm
Are secondary roles completely randomized again? Is there any criteria that would cause the randomization to be thrown out? For instance, if the civilians have 3 Guardian Angels, or a single secondary role shows up 5 times, or some other unlikely occurrence, will this be allowed or will the roles be reshuffled?
Post by: Submachine on May 15, 2019, 06:52:36 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 15, 2019, 08:56:47 pm
Post by: Ginyu on May 16, 2019, 03:27:58 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 16, 2019, 03:46:01 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 16, 2019, 05:07:31 pm
In. Glad private chatting is not allowed, and that I do not have to scan the chat all the time.
PMs are allowed, as is Blab, but anything happening in Blab must be copy/pasted in here.
Post by: moehrpi on May 16, 2019, 05:37:04 pm
In. Glad private chatting is not allowed, and that I do not have to scan the chat all the time.
PMs are allowed, as is Blab, but anything happening in Blab must be copy/pasted in here.
9. NO COMMUNICATION IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD, EXCEPT FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE MAFIA. You may communicate in the official Elements chat, but all relevant messages MUST be posted in this thread.
Post by: Submachine on May 16, 2019, 07:17:28 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 17, 2019, 07:30:39 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 17, 2019, 07:37:52 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 17, 2019, 07:45:16 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 17, 2019, 08:12:05 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 18, 2019, 03:22:01 am
Post by: Mobian on May 18, 2019, 06:07:21 am
Quote
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
That's what I was referring to. That rule's existence is why I thought PMs were ok.
Post by: Linkcat on May 18, 2019, 06:12:34 am
Post by: Submachine on May 19, 2019, 08:33:15 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 20, 2019, 03:29:44 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2019, 06:04:12 pm
Night 0
Seism: My name is Seism and I'm a False God. Let's see. I'm 90 feet tall and weigh 6430 pounds. Got a little bit of a temper on me. (SERKET, GET THESE SNAKES AWAY FROM ME! RRAAAGH!) My passion bubbles near the surface, I guess, not gonna lie.
Anywho, what else? Uhh.. I'm a destructor of nature! I shake things up. With earthquakes. (I'M GONNA STOMP THESE SNAKES, DAMMIT!) I mean, I'm very good at what I do. Probably the best I know.
The thing is, defeating the False Gods is part of the final quest. Really, that's the goal of the player. So, yeah. Naturally the character that the player controls is the good guy. He is decent enough, as players go. Definitely used cards really well against me. But uh, if you copied a False God grinder from the Decks section, how hard can it be? If he used his own decks, Mono Aether and Rustler Rush, I guarantee you he would not be able to stop me as easily.
When the player does a good job, he gets a reward spin and a free weapon. But are there rewards for being a challenging False God? To that I say HAH! N-no. No, there aren't. I would love to get an Eternity instead of this Pulverizer I can't even use.
Five years I've been doing this and I have seen a lot of updates come and go. Kinda sad. To think about Paradox getting his 6+ copies of cards.. Who would have though? Eternal Crusader? Who knows who that guy is. You know? (Looks at Lionheart.)
Look, a steady False God position is nothing to sneeze about, I'm very lucky. It just... I gotta say, it becomes kinda hard to love your job when noone seems to like you for denying quanta generation from them.
I dunno. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if things were different. But it is what it is. The cards in the player's deck hang out after the battles, where they live happily in peace, you know.
They go to their decks, I go to my place, which happens to be an offline space. If I'm really honest with myself, I see the deck creatures out there, valued high by the player, they are being mixed with the nymphs, sometimes even jerked off to. Sometimes I think: Man... it sure would be nice to be a deck character.
(everyone claps)
Morte: Nice share, Seism. We have all thought what you are feeling and we've come to terms with it.
Seism: Really?
Obliterator: Right here, I'm Obliterator and I'm a False God. I relate to you, Seism. When I'm online, I obliterate the player's creatures and permanents with my Explosions and Otyughs. But I sometimes asked myself: Why are you an evil AI, Obliterator? Why can't you be more like the Oracle? Then I have moment of clarity. If Obliterator is a good guy, who would obliterate the player's creatures and permanents like the 1.4 update obliterated Zanzarino's spirit?
(everyone claps. A snake accidently spits acid on Seism's feet)
Seism: Urghh... Screw this, I'm gonna destroy everyone.
Anywho, what else? Uhh.. I'm a destructor of nature! I shake things up. With earthquakes. (I'M GONNA STOMP THESE SNAKES, DAMMIT!) I mean, I'm very good at what I do. Probably the best I know.
The thing is, defeating the False Gods is part of the final quest. Really, that's the goal of the player. So, yeah. Naturally the character that the player controls is the good guy. He is decent enough, as players go. Definitely used cards really well against me. But uh, if you copied a False God grinder from the Decks section, how hard can it be? If he used his own decks, Mono Aether and Rustler Rush, I guarantee you he would not be able to stop me as easily.
When the player does a good job, he gets a reward spin and a free weapon. But are there rewards for being a challenging False God? To that I say HAH! N-no. No, there aren't. I would love to get an Eternity instead of this Pulverizer I can't even use.
Five years I've been doing this and I have seen a lot of updates come and go. Kinda sad. To think about Paradox getting his 6+ copies of cards.. Who would have though? Eternal Crusader? Who knows who that guy is. You know? (Looks at Lionheart.)
Look, a steady False God position is nothing to sneeze about, I'm very lucky. It just... I gotta say, it becomes kinda hard to love your job when noone seems to like you for denying quanta generation from them.
I dunno. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if things were different. But it is what it is. The cards in the player's deck hang out after the battles, where they live happily in peace, you know.
They go to their decks, I go to my place, which happens to be an offline space. If I'm really honest with myself, I see the deck creatures out there, valued high by the player, they are being mixed with the nymphs, sometimes even jerked off to. Sometimes I think: Man... it sure would be nice to be a deck character.
(everyone claps)
Morte: Nice share, Seism. We have all thought what you are feeling and we've come to terms with it.
Seism: Really?
Obliterator: Right here, I'm Obliterator and I'm a False God. I relate to you, Seism. When I'm online, I obliterate the player's creatures and permanents with my Explosions and Otyughs. But I sometimes asked myself: Why are you an evil AI, Obliterator? Why can't you be more like the Oracle? Then I have moment of clarity. If Obliterator is a good guy, who would obliterate the player's creatures and permanents like the 1.4 update obliterated Zanzarino's spirit?
(everyone claps. A snake accidently spits acid on Seism's feet)
Seism: Urghh... Screw this, I'm gonna destroy everyone.
Welcome to the magical land of Elements! There are 4 False Gods and 15 Elementals.
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Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 21, 2019, 06:17:32 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2019, 06:31:41 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2019, 06:36:40 pm
Should have asked this before start, but to clarify PMs to dead phoenix are now banned right?PMs to anyone are banned, so that is correct.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 06:39:09 pm
Should have asked this before start, but to clarify PMs to dead phoenix are now banned right?PMs to anyone are banned.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 06:39:27 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 06:47:35 pm
Alright, what's everyones scum reads?Dice says Ginyu, RootRanger, Espithel. The total sum was also 42, the meaning of life. Coincidence? I think not! :sillyspin:
Post by: RootRanger on May 21, 2019, 06:50:49 pm
Things got a bit messy last game with a lot of the civs playing in the best interests of mafia, so I have a few guidelines in mind to be discussed.
1.) We need to hold off on revealing secondary roles. Some of the roles are pretty weak in the hands of civs, but when these roles are revealed to mafia, it narrows down the number of people who could be a power role. Last game, mafia knew half the civilian roles very early in the game, so it wasn't really a surprise they were able to kill our Golden Nymph and Vulture before they could do anything useful. The game got harder with the removal of PMs, so it's all the more important to play correctly. No revealing roles unless there's good reason for it.
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Thoughts? Agree/disagree?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 06:55:30 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 21, 2019, 06:58:28 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2019, 06:59:02 pm
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles.
I agree with everything except this part. Last game, mafia had a psion. If mafia has another role revealing ability, potentially blocking them will slow mafia down a bunch. Late game we can get strategical with it.
One thing that i would add is dont try to subliminally role reveal. Its what got GN killed last game. So dont put an element mark in a post or something like that.
Post by: Calindu on May 21, 2019, 07:06:14 pm
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles.
I agree with everything except this part. Last game, mafia had a psion. If mafia has another role revealing ability, potentially blocking them will slow mafia down a bunch. Late game we can get strategical with it.
One thing that i would add is dont try to subliminally role reveal. Its what got GN killed last game. So dont put an element mark in a post or something like that.
There are 15 civvies and 4 mafias, it's much more likely to roleblock a civvy than a mafia early on. As Root said, once you are suspicious about someone, you should be fine to start roleblocking.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 21, 2019, 07:11:33 pm
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles.
I agree with everything except this part. Last game, mafia had a psion. If mafia has another role revealing ability, potentially blocking them will slow mafia down a bunch. Late game we can get strategical with it.
Late game, most definitely, but early game, I think Root and Oa are right. There's too much risk involved with random and low-information targets. I'd like to see most offensive and defensive roles not used for this night - after that, we have something of substance to work with.
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2019, 07:38:54 pm
Post by: Ginyu on May 21, 2019, 07:58:14 pm
On another note, we should be primarely talking during the Day Phase, as by then we are the first to get value from that information. If something is revealed at Night, mafia might gain momentum.
Post by: Espithel on May 21, 2019, 07:59:54 pm
Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. Exactly one Elemental and zero False Gods always start with this role.
Dwaddy Swubmwachine? Can the nymph not be nightkill-protected at all, or only during nights that ability is activated? owo?
Firefly Queen - ER
Queen - Generate a firefly that follows target player. The fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw activated, but the cute little buggers aren't smart enough to tell you whether an ability was used by your target or on your target. Fireflies are unaffected by all abilities that prevent targeting. If a firefly doesn't witness any abilities, it will wander up to your target and be caught. The target will be notified if they catch a firefly. Fireflies cannot report higher priority activity and will act as not seeing an ability if that's the only thing they would see.
Should we report catching a firefly to the group or not? I feel like we should, but there might be unintended consequences that I may not be aware of.
Post by: Submachine on May 21, 2019, 08:06:18 pm
Can the nymph not be nightkill-protected at all, or only during nights that ability is activated?The nymph cannot be nightkill-protected at all.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 21, 2019, 08:13:39 pm
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.
All PMs banned? surely not to Host, but yh huge nerf for town (so us). I guess with everything that went wrong last time and town still winning I suppose thats fair.
Post by: Espithel on May 21, 2019, 08:57:57 pm
It lets you see what people are looking at, or even what they're posting in:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497899587239968/unknown.png)
I would like to ask that, in the name of sportsmanship, we don't use this. It's been used in previous mafias in the past and I've always hated it, as it's obscure and, in my opinion, against the spirit of the game. I'm telling you all about it just to make absolutely sure you're all aware of this.
If the group's fine with it, you can absolutely bet your anuses that I'm going to be mashing F5 on it, seeing what we can get. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same - no message-sending is safe. We'd find all the messaging roles (including who sends the nightkill) by the first night.
There's probably a way to turn it off:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497645387251756/unknown.png)
But I don't know how. We should probably figure that out.
If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.
Discuss.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 09:00:25 pm
Also, I don't think anyone used that.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2019, 09:11:47 pm
While its a kinda cool tool, I dont see how it could be used against someone. If someone is sending a PM, there is absolutely no way of knowing if thats a mafia or a civvy or anything. The PM could be to anyone about anything. If it was against the rules, it would be crazy hard to moderate. Am i missing something in the way that it can be used against someone?
Post by: moehrpi on May 21, 2019, 09:15:41 pm
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Thoughts? Agree/disagree?
Mostly agree with root but Ghost of the past drawback is minor and could help identify people who cant be targeted that phase and iridium warden also gains some info with each use. Might be worth using those. Killing people willy nilly is of course sth thats reservered to mafia and early lynches while one time use kills should only be used when you are fairly sure it gets the right person.
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.
GotP can potentially fuck up everything. I don't think it's that good of an idea to use it early. Warden on the other hand can gather quite a bit of information I guess. So I think it might be worth blocking a random role.
I am wondering how useful Nymphs are. Green and Amber seem to good to cast onto oneself especially if Warden/Squid are mafia. Turquoise/Anubis doesn't look powerful at all. I don't see the benefit of an Immortal army for town. Does mafia benefit? Should we not use it at all? If we find that there are a couple protected people we can assume they are mafia.
Rule question: Do people with Adrenaline know they are frozen? Does the ability fail?
Is there any sensible way to get publicly confirmed civ? If no does this mean Crusader has to use its ability on a wing and prayer?
My scum read is iancu. He is trying to trick us there are only three mafia.
I am also against using the who function. Although I did follow the link just now. ~~
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 09:22:01 pm
And please don't roleblock random people...
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 21, 2019, 09:24:12 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 21, 2019, 09:24:58 pm
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 21, 2019, 09:26:19 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 21, 2019, 09:30:22 pm
lol, I just thought it's the same number of mafia as last game. Only now saw that there's 4 of them.
And please don't roleblock random people...
My thought was that everyone should gather as much information themselves as they can since there is no way to share sensitive information until we're in the final stages of the game.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 21, 2019, 09:31:56 pm
Then, when the Golden Nymph finally gets nightkilled, we would know a few of the mafia.
Of course, this needs to be done carefully to avoid detection.
Post by: moehrpi on May 21, 2019, 09:33:51 pm
I have an idea. We're still going to lynch whoever we want to, but we should have a bunch of random votes as well (and not just 1-offs). The Golden Nymph would vote on who they discovered to be mafia and pretty much leave it at that without trying to push for the lynch.
Then, when the Golden Nymph finally gets nightkilled, we would know a few of the mafia.
Of course, this needs to be done carefully to avoid detection.
I doubt that would work. Nymph would die before he finds out a second mafia.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 21, 2019, 09:39:38 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 21, 2019, 09:47:37 pm
In case you are subtly trying to incriminate me as the only message sender, I was giving shock deckadvice completely unrelated to this game. He can probably vouch for that.
No incrimination attempt intended. Really sorry if it came out like that. I had another screenshot prepared, but then I saw Walk's nothing, or nothing you could see and decided to use that one to be consistent and stop people asking why it's two different screenies.
That also means I can vouch for you.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580508666541637632/unknown.png)
:^)
Ultimately, the information you get from this is pretty small, even if you mash F5 - it'll all be circumstantial evidence. But information is king in Mafia, and this gives millions of tiny pebbles of information that you shouldn't have.
So I'm going to hold true to my values and stop using it. I hope. It's kinda addicting.
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As for Golden Nymph, what stops her from roleclaiming and being backed up by a heal/guard? It's just that the heal/guard could be mafia, right?
Post by: moehrpi on May 21, 2019, 09:50:32 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 21, 2019, 09:54:45 pm
I'm stupid.
Post by: PlayerOa on May 21, 2019, 09:56:19 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 21, 2019, 10:12:19 pm
There's staff work, there's PvP, there's soon to be Brawl, there's random chitchat a là kaempfer and shock... continuously monitoring Who's Online won't help us a single bit. Not like banning it would be possible by any means, anyway.
Agreed, especially given how there's more going on in these forums besides our mafia game. Other than that, I agree with playjng it cool with ability usage while we gather more intel.
Post by: RootRanger on May 21, 2019, 10:31:43 pm
I have an idea. We're still going to lynch whoever we want to, but we should have a bunch of random votes as well (and not just 1-offs). The Golden Nymph would vote on who they discovered to be mafia and pretty much leave it at that without trying to push for the lynch.+1 to this. Worst case, GN ends up not finding mafia and voting on randoms, which would be no better than what we'd have anyways.
Then, when the Golden Nymph finally gets nightkilled, we would know a few of the mafia.
Of course, this needs to be done carefully to avoid detection.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 21, 2019, 10:33:39 pm
Gotp is an extremely conditional permanent roleblock. It does get pretty bad if it triggers early on the wrong person, but you either use it basically never, or once you have used reaim it constantly to get as much info as possible (unless you somehow know the current target is a good one, but in that case why dont you just lynch them? Especially with all Info you can get as towny who is not using secondary. It's kinda a shitty ability for a towny to have, it's either mostly worse psion as untargetabilityidentifier or just plain dead. I do wonder now tho if a towny ghost should actually use its ability now. 90% of the time itll just do nothing and it hitting a towny at time of death is not much less likely than identifying untargetability once or more, even with my suggested strategy. But either go ham with the targeting and pray it doesn't backfire or don't use it until you somehow found a mafia and yet we refuse to lynch them even though everything a passive towny gotp would know is public knowledge?2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Thoughts? Agree/disagree?Mostly agree with root but Ghost of the past drawback is minor and could help identify people who cant be targeted that phase and iridium warden also gains some info with each use. Might be worth using those. Killing people willy nilly is of course sth thats reservered to mafia and early lynches while one time use kills should only be used when you are fairly sure it gets the right person.
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.
GotP can potentially fuck up everything. I don't think it's that good of an idea to use it early. Warden on the other hand can gather quite a bit of information I guess. So I think it might be worth blocking a random role.
I am wondering how useful Nymphs are. Green and Amber seem to good to cast onto oneself especially if Warden/Squid are mafia. Turquoise/Anubis doesn't look powerful at all. I don't see the benefit of an Immortal army for town. Does mafia benefit? Should we not use it at all? If we find that there are a couple protected people we can assume they are mafia.
Rule question: Do people with Adrenaline know they are frozen? Does the ability fail?
Is there any sensible way to get publicly confirmed civ? If no does this mean Crusader has to use its ability on a wing and prayer?
My scum read is iancu. He is trying to trick us there are only three mafia.
I am also against using the who function. Although I did follow the link just now. ~~
But anyway, looks like gotp ability already triggered on me with how worked up it has me whether it is any good at all.
Expect similiar monologues about ffq, Im just legit confused as to how to use some of the roles.
I don't think having decoy golden nymphs is any good. It basically guarantees we lynch town with fewer townies working on it
Post by: ddevans96 on May 21, 2019, 10:57:53 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2019, 11:12:35 pm
Let's start off with a quote wall to get some of that energy out.
Alright, what's everyones scum reads?
Rob.
That was some ninja...
Says the guy with the Kakashi avatar.
Alright, what's everyones scum reads?Dice says Ginyu, RootRanger, Espithel. The total sum was also 42, the meaning of life. Coincidence? I think not! :sillyspin:
I'm fine with this. What order should we lynch?
With PMs banned, the game gets a lot harder. We have a Golden Nymph still and hopefully it won't die early on, although it being EoR makes things difficult. It helps to have roles like GA/Graboid/Seraph/Phoenix since we can potentially dodge some of the night kills while the GN builds up information.
Things got a bit messy last game with a lot of the civs playing in the best interests of mafia, so I have a few guidelines in mind to be discussed.
1.) We need to hold off on revealing secondary roles. Some of the roles are pretty weak in the hands of civs, but when these roles are revealed to mafia, it narrows down the number of people who could be a power role. Last game, mafia knew half the civilian roles very early in the game, so it wasn't really a surprise they were able to kill our Golden Nymph and Vulture before they could do anything useful. The game got harder with the removal of PMs, so it's all the more important to play correctly. No revealing roles unless there's good reason for it.
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Thoughts? Agree/disagree?
Agree, do not claim your roles until absolutely necessary.
Disagree, roleblock people you scumread. If you're a new player and self-aware enough to know that your reads are probably bad, don't roleblock. Killing roles should be used on inactive players or if you have a strong scumread mid-late game.
Agree with Root. It is very important to have the Golden Nymph trigger, and the less roleblocking we use, the safer it is.
On another note, we should be primarely talking during the Day Phase, as by then we are the first to get value from that information. If something is revealed at Night, mafia might gain momentum.
Disagree. More discussion is always better, and we should be using that to build reads, instead of just relying on abilities.
Dwaddy Swubmwachine?
Please do not call him that, it makes me feel uncomfortable.
Should we report catching a firefly to the group or not? I feel like we should, but there might be unintended consequences that I may not be aware of.
Yes.
Also, while we're at it. There's this corner of the forum called http://elementscommunity.org/forum/who.
It lets you see what people are looking at, or even what they're posting in:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497899587239968/unknown.png)
I would like to ask that, in the name of sportsmanship, we don't use this. It's been used in previous mafias in the past and I've always hated it, as it's obscure and, in my opinion, against the spirit of the game. I'm telling you all about it just to make absolutely sure you're all aware of this.
If the group's fine with it, you can absolutely bet your anuses that I'm going to be mashing F5 on it, seeing what we can get. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same - no message-sending is safe. We'd find all the messaging roles (including who sends the nightkill) by the first night.
There's probably a way to turn it off:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497645387251756/unknown.png)
But I don't know how. We should probably figure that out.
If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.
Discuss.
I agree, it's better for the spirit of the game if we don't use that.
You can't turn it off, it appears like that because he's viewing a secret section.
Also, I don't think anyone used that.
Sub definitely used that last mafia lol.
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Thoughts? Agree/disagree?Mostly agree with root but Ghost of the past drawback is minor and could help identify people who cant be targeted that phase and iridium warden also gains some info with each use. Might be worth using those. Killing people willy nilly is of course sth thats reservered to mafia and early lynches while one time use kills should only be used when you are fairly sure it gets the right person.
About queen reporting I dont know either. Not 100% sure i fully understand it either, but we got the promise it will be clarified.
GotP can potentially fuck up everything. I don't think it's that good of an idea to use it early. Warden on the other hand can gather quite a bit of information I guess. So I think it might be worth blocking a random role.
I am wondering how useful Nymphs are. Green and Amber seem to good to cast onto oneself especially if Warden/Squid are mafia. Turquoise/Anubis doesn't look powerful at all. I don't see the benefit of an Immortal army for town. Does mafia benefit? Should we not use it at all? If we find that there are a couple protected people we can assume they are mafia.
Rule question: Do people with Adrenaline know they are frozen? Does the ability fail?
Is there any sensible way to get publicly confirmed civ? If no does this mean Crusader has to use its ability on a wing and prayer?
My scum read is iancu. He is trying to trick us there are only three mafia.
I am also against using the who function. Although I did follow the link just now. ~~
The benefit of Immortality is for useful roles to not get roleblocked or killed. Crusader should try to read the Golden Nymph or another strong role and target them.
I was giving shock deckadvice completely unrelated to this game. He can probably vouch for that.
Lmao
I have an idea. We're still going to lynch whoever we want to, but we should have a bunch of random votes as well (and not just 1-offs). The Golden Nymph would vote on who they discovered to be mafia and pretty much leave it at that without trying to push for the lynch.
Then, when the Golden Nymph finally gets nightkilled, we would know a few of the mafia.
Of course, this needs to be done carefully to avoid detection.
This can definitely work on Day 1 when everyone's voting randomly. After that it's a bad idea.
GN should be breadcrumbing their targets in a way so that when they die, we can carefully scrutinize their posts and determine their targets and results.
I asked that, too. Didn't I.
I'm stupid.
Agree.
GotP definitely could be useful to town under certain circumstances, but I'll still say save it until we have a reason to use it rather than popping it immediately. Same with Anubis.
Disagree, Ghost and Anubis can be helpful early if you have a good read.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 21, 2019, 11:16:23 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 21, 2019, 11:18:29 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 21, 2019, 11:26:58 pm
Alright, what's everyones scum reads?Dice says Ginyu, RootRanger, Espithel. The total sum was also 42, the meaning of life. Coincidence? I think not! :sillyspin:
I'm fine with this. What order should we lynch?
/me looks at Espithel's posts
We could always petty lynch.
Post by: Linkcat on May 21, 2019, 11:29:49 pm
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 22, 2019, 03:08:03 am
Scum reads are dangerous to out this early in the game, but I would be wary of anyone who is rooting for something under the guise of it being good for town.
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Golden Nymph should not out if they find a mafia; soft any mafia and lay low until multiple people are cleared (2-4 is best) and someone is leading a lynch on your clear.Other investigative roles should search, but if they find the golden nymph, know that they are a confirmed town.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 22, 2019, 03:08:54 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2019, 05:59:40 am
The only role-blocking ability I see an upside to is Warden. It blocks and informational role, but prevents mafia from finding out that they're potentially an investigative role. It also just protects anyone it targets. Good for town because of the protection, good against mafia for role blockage. Other than that, I agree with Root.
Scum reads are dangerous to out this early in the game, but I would be wary of anyone who is rooting for something under the guise of it being good for town.
The only time scum reads are dangerous to out is during the Night in late game, so feel free to call me out directly. It will progress the game faster.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 22, 2019, 06:02:29 am
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2019, 06:16:47 am
If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.I allow using /who, because it is an unreliable source of information, but please do not post screenshots of the /who page. You can describe your findings with words, but posting screenshots is against the spirit of Mafia.
Rule question: Do people with Adrenaline know they are frozen? Does the ability fail?If a player becomes Frozen, the player is notified even if he has Adrenaline. The ability does not fail, the player will have both the Frozen and the Adrenaline statuses.
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2019, 06:44:51 am
(https://gyazo.com/e87c476d76833b1d6b541e0ded74917a.png)
The way you worded your post implies that you are scumreading someone who is "rooting for something under the guise of it being good for town," but you don't want to name them directly. In my view, the only people it makes sense for you to be throwing shade at are me or (looking back through the thread) MW, since we're the only ones who disagreed with you and everyone else. If not me, then who were you throwing shade at? If you say nobody, then your post doesn't make sense.
And while I'm mentioning MW's post,
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles.
I agree with everything except this part. Last game, mafia had a psion. If mafia has another role revealing ability, potentially blocking them will slow mafia down a bunch. Late game we can get strategical with it.
One thing that i would add is dont try to subliminally role reveal. Its what got GN killed last game. So dont put an element mark in a post or something like that.
I want to say that DC did not soft GN with the time mark, he did that because he is a former Master of Time. Mafia read him as GN for two things he did that were not related to his role, and got lucky that he was actually GN.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 22, 2019, 06:56:21 am
The way you worded your post implies that you are scumreading someone who is "rooting for something under the guise of it being good for town," but you don't want to name them directly. In my view, the only people it makes sense for you to be throwing shade at are me or (looking back through the thread) MW, since we're the only ones who disagreed with you and everyone else. If not me, then who were you throwing shade at? If you say nobody, then your post doesn't make sense.
I said to be wary; I have no scumreads right now. That comment was a light stab for us to be careful submitting to plans that have downsides for town.
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People I disagree with aren't wrong.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2019, 01:06:47 pm
- Queen can be blocked by Psionic Wave.
- Queen can target players who are untargetable (e.g: Burrowed).
- Fireflies do not see their own activity, but they can see other fireflies by different queens.
- Fireflies only see abilities that were successfully activated.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2019, 01:27:05 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2019, 01:44:31 pm
So basically 2 coordinated ffqs can prevent their fireflies from ever being detected? Or does only the Initial deployment of the firefly count as activation?If two Firefly Queens target the same player with Queen, the fireflies will report Queen to their own Firefly Queens, which would otherwise not happen. Surely that would also count as being detected.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 22, 2019, 05:57:28 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2019, 07:02:58 pm
Yh but they never ever go away and report every nightI missed to clarify that. The fireflies only visit their targets for one night, then they either return to the queen or get caught.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2019, 07:26:15 pm
Quote
Generate a firefly that follows target player. The fireflies will report back to you each Night with all abilities that they saw activated
The wording makes it seem fireflies are permanent.
Post by: Submachine on May 22, 2019, 07:45:46 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2019, 07:48:51 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 22, 2019, 07:57:44 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 22, 2019, 08:07:18 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 22, 2019, 08:11:26 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 22, 2019, 11:37:26 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2019, 06:04:37 am
Iancu is correct, the role clearly shows that the firefly is permanent until it's caught.Sorry for the confusion then. The sent fireflies are permanent until caught.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 06:38:25 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2019, 06:51:13 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 11:31:35 am
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2019, 11:34:25 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 23, 2019, 12:39:07 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 23, 2019, 12:56:20 pm
I disagree.I agree
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 01:04:12 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2019, 01:34:27 pm
Petition to shorten future night phases to 1 day (24 hours).
Yes please, 1 day should be more than enough.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 23, 2019, 01:59:06 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 23, 2019, 03:12:35 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2019, 03:23:15 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 03:23:36 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 03:25:28 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 04:48:18 pm
Petition to shorten future night phases to 1 day (24 hours).
Seconded.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 05:24:36 pm
Petition to shorten future night phases to 1 day (24 hours).
Seconded.
Thirded
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 05:39:43 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/Bg9gnB3.png)
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 05:41:31 pm
Petition to shorten future night phases to 1 day (24 hours).
Definitely.
Post by: shockcannon on May 23, 2019, 05:53:23 pm
Petition to shorten future night phases to 1 day (24 hours).
Petition to shorten your life, mafia scum.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2019, 06:01:05 pm
Day 1
It's like I have been in this place before, but higher on the streets. I know it's my time to go.
*calling you*: The search is a mystery.
*calling you*: The search is a mystery.
Noone has died yet.
A petition was started to shorten the Night phases. Let's make it official. Here is the voting form, which you can all sign:
Anyone can have one vote within each table. Votes can be changed. The voting will end at the end of the phase. Hopefully Linkcat won't veto the whole thing.
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
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The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
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The night ending in 2 days or more.
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Anyone can have one vote within each table. Votes can be changed. The voting will end at the end of the phase. Hopefully Linkcat won't veto the whole thing.
Here is a short summary of the role clarifications during Night 0:
- Queen can be blocked by Psionic Wave.
- Queen can target players who are untargetable (e.g: Burrowed).
- Fireflies do not see their own activity, but they can see other fireflies by different queens.
- Fireflies only see abilities that were successfully activated.
- Each firefly stays on the target until it's caught.
- Fireflies have a passive effect so they only count as activations when they're activated.
I also received the following two corrections from Linkcat, which were accounted when evaluating Night 0:
- Ash does not activate every Night. It's a passive ability that only activates on a Night in which the Phoenix dies.
- Fate Egg only replaces roles that it gave the player. Roles gained from Endow or Scavenger stick around.
Day 1 has ended.
Post by: Mobian on May 23, 2019, 06:04:10 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 06:07:25 pm
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
Against it (0) -
Not against it (1) - MasterWalks
The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
Against it (0) -
Not against it (1) - MasterWalks
The night ending in 2 days or more.
Against it (1) - MasterWalks
Not against it (0) -
did i do it right?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 06:09:30 pm
Also, I caught a firefly.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 06:10:08 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 06:10:26 pm
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
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The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
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The night ending in 2 days or more.
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Or, yeah, add a poll.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 06:11:17 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2019, 06:12:22 pm
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
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The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
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The night ending in 2 days or more.
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Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 06:13:15 pm
My ability failed. So I guess people are random roleblocking for no reason *sigh*
We agreed to not role block i thought. If i was to put a tin foil hat on, id say whoever you targeted might be working with mafia. My ability failed too or i just havent got the PM yet.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 06:14:31 pm
Post by: Ginyu on May 23, 2019, 06:14:52 pm
My ability failed. So I guess people are random roleblocking for no reason *sigh*
Or mafia has a roleblocker. Could be a good first lead if someone saw who targetted ian.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 06:15:13 pm
My ability failed. So I guess people are random roleblocking for no reason *sigh*Maybe it was actually warden preventing you from getting killed among other things (as we figured guard is still worth using as towny, even if there is no real lead to go by). Or just mafia.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 06:16:48 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 06:21:05 pm
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
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The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
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The night ending in 2 days or more.
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Fine, no poll then.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2019, 06:23:29 pm
Post by: Ginyu on May 23, 2019, 06:23:48 pm
The night ending in 24 hours or more.
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The night ending earlier if everyone sent in their role uses.
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The night ending in 2 days or more.
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Night ending earlier would crash the schedule which would cause chaos. Nobody loves chaos. Gravity is king.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 06:26:05 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 06:26:31 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2019, 06:28:15 pm
Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?That completely depends on your ability, which only you know. I'd say keep your cards close to your chest, but it's all up to you really. Only you would know if that info helps us or not.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 06:28:48 pm
Also, while we're at it. There's this corner of the forum called http://elementscommunity.org/forum/who.
It lets you see what people are looking at, or even what they're posting in:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497899587239968/unknown.png)
I would like to ask that, in the name of sportsmanship, we don't use this. It's been used in previous mafias in the past and I've always hated it, as it's obscure and, in my opinion, against the spirit of the game. I'm telling you all about it just to make absolutely sure you're all aware of this.
If the group's fine with it, you can absolutely bet your anuses that I'm going to be mashing F5 on it, seeing what we can get. I'd encourage everyone else to do the same - no message-sending is safe. We'd find all the messaging roles (including who sends the nightkill) by the first night.
There's probably a way to turn it off:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/580497645387251756/unknown.png)
But I don't know how. We should probably figure that out.
If it was me with total power, I'd have Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) modkill any proven instances, but that's tricky to moderate as he'd have to mash F5. I think Dwaddy Swubmwachine (owo) has better things to do with his time.
Discuss.
Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise. The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: mathman101 on May 23, 2019, 06:35:41 pm
Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?That completely depends on your ability, which only you know. I'd say keep your cards close to your chest, but it's all up to you really. Only you would know if that info helps us or not.
I agree with this, if you think it will help us post, otherwise hold onto the cards until we need the info or right before you might die.
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2019, 06:47:23 pm
Night ending earlier would crash the schedule which would cause chaos. Nobody loves chaos. Gravity is king.
I agree with Ginyu. I don't want to have to have people delay their ability use until the last moment just to keep the schedule.I also agree with this, so even though the Night would end earlier, the Day phase would still end on the same hour, making the Day phase as longer as the Night phase was shorter. This would be most effective on later Nights though, with much less players alive.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 07:07:46 pm
Pros to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:vore me daddy
Mafia Kill
No more Vore
Cons to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:
Possible civ kill, although I doubt it.
The pros outweigh the cons.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
(This is a rhetorical vote. I don't actually believe that Weebs should be lynched. Not enough evidence.)
Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?
You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.
Since you've already claimed that, I would tell the group who you targeted, then we can ask them why your ability didn't go through.
Here are the possibilities. There may be more, but these are the ones I can think of:
- They're a shrieker or a graboid.
- You got roleblocked.
- You hit someone who got blind immortaled (either anubis targeting themself or, maliciously, another mafia member.)
- Depending on your ability, you hit someone who got blind adrenalined (either targeting themself or, maliciously, another mafia member.)
- You got guarded.
Some of these imply you hit a mafia, so I think it's worth persuing.
If you're going to go all the way, you could explain why you targeted that person, but that comes pretty close to a straight roleclaim, so I'd be very careful if you do.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 07:12:35 pm
Back on the game for a bit, should I say who I targeted?
No. Its going to give mafia information more than town.
If you say who you targeted, and it's NOT a mafia, then mafia knows not to target the same person you did since they are most likely burrowed, giving them the upperhand and a way to tell who is who by process of elimination
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 07:17:44 pm
Anyway, I'll hold onto that info for a while.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 07:26:52 pm
As for now, regardless of whether you are town or not, I feel like you are not really helping town. So my vote goes to you for now, though the accusation is primarily incompetence and any hotter lead will sway me.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 07:48:25 pm
As for now, regardless of whether you are town or not, I feel like you are not really helping town. So my vote goes to you for now, though the accusation is primarily incompetence
Enlighten me please.
I argued for using the tool, which only harms mafia.
I told ian not to spill any beans, as that would only help mafia.
I'm not sure what else i can do to help town. I cant role reveal, or that would help mafia. I cant say what/if i gathered information, or that would help mafia. I am the second most active member on this thread so its not like I'm hiding in the shadows or anything. While im not arguing against your vote necessarily, I am arguing for your reason.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 23, 2019, 07:49:03 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(This is a rhetorical vote. I don't actually believe that Weebs should be lynched. Not enough evidence.)
Post by: shockcannon on May 23, 2019, 08:06:02 pm
Post by: PlayerOa on May 23, 2019, 08:09:58 pm
As for now, regardless of whether you are town or not, I feel like you are not really helping town. So my vote goes to you for now, though the accusation is primarily incompetence
Enlighten me please.
I argued for using the tool, which only harms mafia.
I told ian not to spill any beans, as that would only help mafia.
I'm not sure what else i can do to help town. I cant role reveal, or that would help mafia. I cant say what/if i gathered information, or that would help mafia. I am the second most active member on this thread so its not like I'm hiding in the shadows or anything. While im not arguing against your vote necessarily, I am arguing for your reason.
My guess is that kaempfer disagrees with the strategy of immediately throwing shade at someone, in this case Espithel.
I can understand you both.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 08:24:17 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2019, 08:27:43 pm
I argued for using the tool, which only harms mafia.
I also believe the tool is against the spirit of the game, as it defeats the main way to play the game, which is finding the mafia using the skills available to you and the information present in players posts. Sure, someone constantly F5'ing around and noting down all PM related information can probably find something important at some point, but it's silly and not a fun way to play the game.
Think of it like playing mafia in a real life environment and someone pushing a lynch on you because they felt you moving during the night phase. It's about the same thing.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 08:28:55 pm
Post by: RootRanger on May 23, 2019, 08:30:28 pm
You all are actually so boring to read. I don't think shortening night phase is going to make that any more bearable. Let's speed things up a bit. I'm mind flayer. The person I blocked last night is hidden somewhere in this message. Have fun.Why
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 08:36:53 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 23, 2019, 08:39:33 pm
I argued for using the tool, which only harms mafia.
Discussing rules always happens outside of the context of the game.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 08:44:27 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13(This is a rhetorical vote. I don't actually believe that Weebs should be lynched. Not enough evidence.)
Well, yeah. You gotta finish your meme to completion.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Will change the moment something interesting happens.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 08:47:38 pm
Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise.
The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Not sure about any of this. If he was mafia, and wanted to use the tool to his advantage, wouldn't it have been the safer play to not post publicly, in order to not remind people/let people know that it exists? Or even just bring it directly to Sub? I don't see how mafia gains anything from such an elaborate metagaming gambit.
Also - sending a PM doesn't really role reveal at all, since many roles PM, and most of the people in this game have other forum responsibilities. I think reading into this too much at all is unproductive. Maybe even a diversion.
Quote
Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory. It feels like it's forcing a conclusion.
Basically, this whole post seems like it's pushing an agenda a little too hard.
Additionally:
You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.
I want to reiterate the last part of this - MW also stated he used an ability. In my opinion, this is detrimental to town - we agreed not to use (most) offensive and defensive roles, so this narrows down your potential abilities, a piece of information that helps the mafia more right now. And furthermore, unlike iancu's statement, which we could potentially get information from immediately if we chose, there's no such potential benefit for town from MW's statement.
(aside: I don't think iancu should reveal specifics right away - it's just worth noting that does create a plan we could pursue if we desired)
So, we lynch Espithel.
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
This accomplishes the following:
Most important, MW has voiced suspicion of him, creating a minor feud. By lynching one, we potentially gain information. I do want to point out, however, that there are four mafia - it would not be unwise for one of them to play very aggressive, potentially even bussing their own teammate to move suspicion away from themselves. This is a gambit that can win games, so Espi being mafia would not completely clear MW. But it does give us information to work with when analyzing future interactions, regardless.
The reason I pick Espi over MW is because it doubles as a petty lynch - in the early game, scum reads often fluctuate, like an earthquake chart. They're often very low or high based on minimal evidence, then switch to the other end quickly, etc, before stabilizing a couple rounds in. Acting on a petty lynch counteracts some of the bias created by early-game read fluctuations.
You all are actually so boring to read. I don't think shortening night phase is going to make that any more bearable. Let's speed things up a bit. I'm mind flayer. The person I blocked last night is hidden somewhere in this message. Have fun.
Anyone want to be in charge of this bullshit?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 23, 2019, 09:01:57 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
He did not sign the petition. Obviously mafia.
Post by: moehrpi on May 23, 2019, 09:09:18 pm
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
A bit too quiet, way too mafia.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 09:18:24 pm
[2019-05-23 14:48:48] ddevans96: yeet
[2019-05-23 14:48:49] ddevans96: big post
[2019-05-23 14:51:20] Espithel: You couldn't've waited until after I finished work, could you
[2019-05-23 14:51:22] Espithel: >:(
[2019-05-23 14:51:30] ddevans96: haha owned
[2019-05-23 14:52:23] Espithel: >:(((((((((((((
[2019-05-23 14:52:32] ddevans96: just skim it
[2019-05-23 14:52:44] ddevans96: it basically tl;dr to 'I don't like MWs post, lynch Espi'
[2019-05-23 14:53:10] ddevans96: and then 'wtf is shock doing'
[2019-05-23 14:53:44] Espithel: I have
[2019-05-23 14:55:45] kaempfer13: id ont like what mws doing, better lynch espi
[2019-05-23 14:55:53] ddevans96: yes
[2019-05-23 14:56:33] ddevans96: I think MW is the 'obvious' lynch rn - that being said, I explained in the post why I strongly dislike going for the 'obvious' lynch [on d1]
[2019-05-23 14:56:47] kaempfer13: personally i dislike what shocks doing even more though
[2019-05-23 14:56:50] Espithel: Because you hate furries
[2019-05-23 14:57:06] ddevans96: shock is chaotic neutral
[2019-05-23 14:57:11] Ginyu: These posts start to look more like riddles than anything.
[2019-05-23 14:57:14] ddevans96: like a more insane justaburd
[2019-05-23 14:57:39] kaempfer13: so my incompetence vote would go to him atm, just dont want to jump backand forth constantly, so ill wait for the defense
[2019-05-23 14:57:40] ddevans96: I'm totally okay with lynching him early every game, just be aware that he's playing that way on purpose, it's not a scum tell
[2019-05-23 14:58:51] Espithel: What I will say about MW is, yeah, that was a stupid post of his
[2019-05-23 14:59:00] kaempfer13: i find it extremely unlikely that mw has a role that told him espi is mafia
[2019-05-23 14:59:00] Espithel: But he's at least furthering discussion
[2019-05-23 14:59:26] Espithel: Posting this in forum now.
[2019-05-23 14:59:31] ddevans96: yeah - if that was the case, he could lay low, and just say 'let's go with Link/dd's petty lynch'
[2019-05-23 14:59:48] kaempfer13: he mostly just voted espi because he was one of the 2 persons that werethrown shade at in espis rulequestionpost
[2019-05-23 15:00:09] Mobian: ‹@kaempfer13› This is always shock's go-to play style. It's annoying, but it's shock.
[2019-05-23 15:00:13] Calindu: I don't think shock posting that is a sign that he's mafia, as I've seen in the previous mafia, but that type of gameplay is kind of destructive and hurts the town way more than it helps it
[2019-05-23 15:00:54] ddevans96: agreed on both counts
[2019-05-23 15:01:06] kaempfer13: ‹@Mobian› yh, butif we have no tells getting rid of the chaff is better than killing someone actually helpfull to us
[2019-05-23 15:01:08] Mobian: ‹@Calindu› No kind of about it. The way I see it, we have 3 factions. Mafia, Town, and Shock.
[2019-05-23 15:01:44] iancudorinmarian: If shock blocked me I'm going to lynch him.
[2019-05-23 15:01:46] ddevans96: pretty much
[2019-05-23 15:01:51] kaempfer13: and since shock just plays that way either way he might just be mafia
[2019-05-23 15:02:16] Calindu: Yeah, I remember there used to be a role that wins if they get lynched, Shock plays like that
[2019-05-23 14:48:49] ddevans96: big post
[2019-05-23 14:51:20] Espithel: You couldn't've waited until after I finished work, could you
[2019-05-23 14:51:22] Espithel: >:(
[2019-05-23 14:51:30] ddevans96: haha owned
[2019-05-23 14:52:23] Espithel: >:(((((((((((((
[2019-05-23 14:52:32] ddevans96: just skim it
[2019-05-23 14:52:44] ddevans96: it basically tl;dr to 'I don't like MWs post, lynch Espi'
[2019-05-23 14:53:10] ddevans96: and then 'wtf is shock doing'
[2019-05-23 14:53:44] Espithel: I have
[2019-05-23 14:55:45] kaempfer13: id ont like what mws doing, better lynch espi
[2019-05-23 14:55:53] ddevans96: yes
[2019-05-23 14:56:33] ddevans96: I think MW is the 'obvious' lynch rn - that being said, I explained in the post why I strongly dislike going for the 'obvious' lynch [on d1]
[2019-05-23 14:56:47] kaempfer13: personally i dislike what shocks doing even more though
[2019-05-23 14:56:50] Espithel: Because you hate furries
[2019-05-23 14:57:06] ddevans96: shock is chaotic neutral
[2019-05-23 14:57:11] Ginyu: These posts start to look more like riddles than anything.
[2019-05-23 14:57:14] ddevans96: like a more insane justaburd
[2019-05-23 14:57:39] kaempfer13: so my incompetence vote would go to him atm, just dont want to jump backand forth constantly, so ill wait for the defense
[2019-05-23 14:57:40] ddevans96: I'm totally okay with lynching him early every game, just be aware that he's playing that way on purpose, it's not a scum tell
[2019-05-23 14:58:51] Espithel: What I will say about MW is, yeah, that was a stupid post of his
[2019-05-23 14:59:00] kaempfer13: i find it extremely unlikely that mw has a role that told him espi is mafia
[2019-05-23 14:59:00] Espithel: But he's at least furthering discussion
[2019-05-23 14:59:26] Espithel: Posting this in forum now.
[2019-05-23 14:59:31] ddevans96: yeah - if that was the case, he could lay low, and just say 'let's go with Link/dd's petty lynch'
[2019-05-23 14:59:48] kaempfer13: he mostly just voted espi because he was one of the 2 persons that werethrown shade at in espis rulequestionpost
[2019-05-23 15:00:09] Mobian: ‹@kaempfer13› This is always shock's go-to play style. It's annoying, but it's shock.
[2019-05-23 15:00:13] Calindu: I don't think shock posting that is a sign that he's mafia, as I've seen in the previous mafia, but that type of gameplay is kind of destructive and hurts the town way more than it helps it
[2019-05-23 15:00:54] ddevans96: agreed on both counts
[2019-05-23 15:01:06] kaempfer13: ‹@Mobian› yh, butif we have no tells getting rid of the chaff is better than killing someone actually helpfull to us
[2019-05-23 15:01:08] Mobian: ‹@Calindu› No kind of about it. The way I see it, we have 3 factions. Mafia, Town, and Shock.
[2019-05-23 15:01:44] iancudorinmarian: If shock blocked me I'm going to lynch him.
[2019-05-23 15:01:46] ddevans96: pretty much
[2019-05-23 15:01:51] kaempfer13: and since shock just plays that way either way he might just be mafia
[2019-05-23 15:02:16] Calindu: Yeah, I remember there used to be a role that wins if they get lynched, Shock plays like that
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 23, 2019, 09:21:52 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Yo, new house, 2 jobs, went to pub quiz last night, mate over to play magic tonight, got another mate coming for the bank holiday weekend. Just getting on before my bedtime on laptop.
All my posts so far have been by phone, and i hate typing by phone.
My vote is on MW because i agree with dd. info from an early feud is interesting regardless of result. I'm voting for MW though out of teh two selfishly because i friggin love espi and i'm happy to see him back in community so don't want him lynched day 1
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 23, 2019, 09:25:18 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 09:27:32 pm
This is not true. Idc about him throwing shade in that post. Lynching someone Day 1 based on throwing minor shade is a terrible idea and i recognize it as so.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 09:36:41 pm
then theres espithels breakdown on how mafia is more likely to be protected, so chances are ian will either uncover the nightkill target or a mafia member with room for uncertainty ofc.
I would like to stress that I didn't say that the mafia is more likely to be protected. All I said is that it's a possibility; I actually think it's slightly less likely that Ian hit a mafia. I might be wrong.
So! Dwaddy Ewans. owo
Your argument's essentially that Scum!MW is trying to bus Scum!Espithel so that if one falls, the other one looks innocent.
You then want to lynch one of us to gain more information. You then decide to lynch me because you hate fun.
MW is acting like a novice mafia right now, so your logic works. Can't argue with that.
I'd like to poke you with two things, though.
Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise.
The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Not sure about any of this. If he was mafia, and wanted to use the tool to his advantage, wouldn't it have been the safer play to not post publicly, in order to not remind people/let people know that it exists? Or even just bring it directly to Sub? I don't see how mafia gains anything from such an elaborate metagaming gambit.
Also - sending a PM doesn't really role reveal at all, since many roles PM, and most of the people in this game have other forum responsibilities. I think reading into this too much at all is unproductive. Maybe even a diversion.QuotePros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory. It feels like it's forcing a conclusion.
What you have just posted is a lot less concise version of how I feel about MW's post. When I first saw it, I was really confused on how to tackle it because it was just so wrong, on so many fronts, as you've pointed out.
I thought there was a hidden agenda, honestly. However, as poorly made an argument it is, it was contributing to a conversation and I didn't want to discourage MW from further discussion by absolutely tearing into it. It doesn't matter what we're talking about, as long as we keep conversing.
So, instead of responding, I decided to brush it aside instead:
Pros to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:vore me daddy
Mafia Kill
No more Vore
Cons to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:
Possible civ kill, although I doubt it.
The pros outweigh the cons.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
I hope you see the parallel between the above post and yours: "This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory."
I'm bringing this up because I feel that if we were both scum, I would be expected to retaliate against him to make the bus seem more real. I haven't, and don't really intend to. It's what he'd want if he's scum.
I'll accept one of us being lynched, though, because the logic here is perfectly sound. I just don't feel it properly describes reality.
Secondly:
You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.
I want to reiterate the last part of this - MW also stated he used an ability. In my opinion, this is detrimental to town - we agreed not to use (most) offensive and defensive roles, so this narrows down your potential abilities, a piece of information that helps the mafia more right now. And furthermore, unlike iancu's statement, which we could potentially get information from immediately if we chose, there's no such potential benefit for town from MW's statement.
(aside: I don't think iancu should reveal specifics right away - it's just worth noting that does create a plan we could pursue if we desired)
Much like how we asked if Ian should tell us who he targeted, is there anything to be gained in asking MW the same?
Unlike Ian, MW is currently under the lens of being mafia. That might change the dynamic.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 09:47:37 pm
If i say i targeted you, then mafia is instantly going to assume the worst and conclude i am GN.
If i say i targeted ANYONE else other than you, then i get lynched because people will believe I am scumming you.
I will not reveal my target and i suggest ian does not either.
I think you know you got me trapped. I think you want me to reveal target so I get lynched or i get NK'd. There is not a single person i can say i targeted that will not get me killed.
Honestly, well played.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 23, 2019, 09:52:40 pm
Here is the thing tho. You got me trapped.
If i say i targeted you, then mafia is instantly going to assume the worst and conclude i am GN.
If i say i targeted ANYONE else other than you, then i get lynched because people will believe I am scumming you.
I will not reveal my target and i suggest ian does not either.
I think you know you got me trapped. I think you want me to reveal target so I get lynched or i get NK'd. There is not a single person i can say i targeted that will not get me killed.
Honestly, well played.
meh, getting nightkilled on the assumption of gn is less bad than a misslead lynch tbh
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2019, 10:08:23 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
If you keep calling everyone daddy, we're going to have to bring out the belt.
More later.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 10:09:56 pm
Time to call everyone mommy instead
Wommy WinkWat Nu XwX
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2019, 10:13:40 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 23, 2019, 10:15:41 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 10:18:59 pm
Your argument's essentially that Scum!MW is trying to bus Scum!Espithel so that if one falls, the other one looks innocent.
You then want to lynch one of us to gain more information. You then decide to lynch me because you hate fun.
I'm just noting that I think it's a possibility - I'm not currently making a strong push one way or the other regarding it.
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I'd like to poke you with two things, though.Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool to his advantage until told otherwise.
The only thing this tool can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool is harmful to is Mafia. The only people who wouldn't want this tool used is Mafia. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants to tool banned. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Not sure about any of this. If he was mafia, and wanted to use the tool to his advantage, wouldn't it have been the safer play to not post publicly, in order to not remind people/let people know that it exists? Or even just bring it directly to Sub? I don't see how mafia gains anything from such an elaborate metagaming gambit.
Also - sending a PM doesn't really role reveal at all, since many roles PM, and most of the people in this game have other forum responsibilities. I think reading into this too much at all is unproductive. Maybe even a diversion.QuotePros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory. It feels like it's forcing a conclusion.
What you have just posted is a lot less concise version of how I feel about MW's post. When I first saw it, I was really confused on how to tackle it because it was just so wrong, on so many fronts, as you've pointed out.
I thought there was a hidden agenda, honestly. However, as poorly made an argument it is, it was contributing to a conversation and I didn't want to discourage MW from further discussion by absolutely tearing into it. It doesn't matter what we're talking about, as long as we keep conversing.
I agree with this - MW's posts have largely contributed to the game. However, my style is, and has always been, to provoke discussion by applying pressure asking difficult questions and dissecting specific posts. I found MW's posts to be a good way for me to initiate that kind of conversation in this game.
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So, instead of responding, I decided to brush it aside instead:Pros to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:vore me daddy
Mafia Kill
No more Vore
Cons to Lynching InsignificantWeeaboo:
Possible civ kill, although I doubt it.
The pros outweigh the cons.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
I hope you see the parallel between the above post and yours: "This analysis really does nothing - it's just 'lynching mafia good, lynching town bad', which is self-explanatory."
Indeed - I interpreted the first part of your post, where you mimicked MW, as tongue-in-cheek and not serious.
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I'm bringing this up because I feel that if we were both scum, I would be expected to retaliate against him to make the bus seem more real. I haven't, and don't really intend to. It's what he'd want if he's scum.
I'll accept one of us being lynched, though, because the logic here is perfectly sound. I just don't feel it properly describes reality.
I agree. It would not be a good gambit if there was not the illusion of fighting. That's why I'm not pushing this super hard - it would be an extremely fun and engaging scenario, and I'd love to see it, but I don't really think it's in play here.
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Secondly:You've already told the entire group, including the mafia, you have a role that targets. That's already pretty brazen of you.
That's really the bit the mafia care about when they decide who to kill - the role itself. The roles they hate the most all target, so you've basically just asked to be nightkilled at some point. Same goes for you too, Walks.
I want to reiterate the last part of this - MW also stated he used an ability. In my opinion, this is detrimental to town - we agreed not to use (most) offensive and defensive roles, so this narrows down your potential abilities, a piece of information that helps the mafia more right now. And furthermore, unlike iancu's statement, which we could potentially get information from immediately if we chose, there's no such potential benefit for town from MW's statement.
(aside: I don't think iancu should reveal specifics right away - it's just worth noting that does create a plan we could pursue if we desired)
Much like how we asked if Ian should tell us who he targeted, is there anything to be gained in asking MW the same?
Unlike Ian, MW is currently under the lens of being mafia. That might change the dynamic.
I don't currently believe town would gain anything from MW revealing anything right now, no.
Here is the thing tho. You got me trapped.
If i say i targeted you, then mafia is instantly going to assume the worst and conclude i am GN.
This only matters if Espi is indeed mafia. If he's town, then mafia can sit back, relax, and not kill either you or Espi until they absolutely need to - which is why one of you should be lynched as soon as possible.
If we lynch him and he's mafia, great! - you're probably GN. You're going to be an NK target immediately, but at least we know. If he flips town, we know you're not GN - an assumption that, in that scenario, the mafia can already safely make.
If we lynch you and you're town, we probably don't learn anything - Espi looks a tad more suspicious and that's it. If you're mafia, the inverse.
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If i say i targeted ANYONE else other than you, then i get lynched because people will believe I am scumming you.
Right now, we don't trust either of you. Revealing your target really wouldn't move the needle one way or the other - truth be told, I think we're more likely to keep you alive in that situation. But...
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I will not reveal my target and i suggest ian does not either.
...I still think this is the correct play, for the time being. Mafia doesn't really gain much by killing either of you right now, so you have time to share information - and even in situations that they do, town also benefits.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 10:32:37 pm
Just one note:
Here is the thing tho. You got me trapped.
If i say i targeted you, then mafia is instantly going to assume the worst and conclude i am GN.
This only matters if Espi is indeed mafia. If he's town, then mafia can sit back, relax, and not kill either you or Espi until they absolutely need to - which is why one of you should be lynched as soon as possible.
If we lynch him and he's mafia, great! - you're probably GN. You're going to be an NK target immediately, but at least we know. If he flips town, we know you're not GN - an assumption that, in that scenario, the mafia can already safely make.
If we lynch you and you're town, we probably don't learn anything - Espi looks a tad more suspicious and that's it. If you're mafia, the inverse.
If he was the Nymph, he could just roleclaim right now and send me off to the grave. If he's "trapped" and going to die during the night, he might as well, right?
Because of that, even if I die and flip scum, I think the chances of MW being the nymph is practically 0.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 10:47:16 pm
He did come out of the gates way too aggressive to be a likely GN.
Post by: RootRanger on May 23, 2019, 10:47:55 pm
If we treat every vote as a feud, and (incorrectly) postulate that every feud involves at least one mafia, we're going to end up with a lot of dead civs.
That being said, if we have to choose between Espi and MW to lynch, the right call is Espi, since MW could still be GN. But I think for now we should just let people vote without reading too much into it. The GN needs to have some degree of cover.
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Post by: RootRanger on May 23, 2019, 10:48:32 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 11:03:43 pm
The idea of using flimsy reasoning to vote on people was that the GN can vote on a mafia without having to roleclaim, then when the GN dies, we can parse back through their targets and identify players who are likely mafia.
If we treat every vote as a feud, and (incorrectly) postulate that every feud involves at least one mafia, we're going to end up with a lot of dead civs.
That being said, if we have to choose between Espi and MW to lynch, the right call is Espi, since MW could still be GN. But I think for now we should just let people vote without reading too much into it. The GN needs to have some degree of cover.
Agreed with all this - regardless, though, we do still need a lynch target. And while not every vote is a feud, the way MW pushed onto Espi hard and early, and then doubled down, definitely makes it feel like about as good of a starting point as we're going to get.
Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?
Regarding shockcannon, I think he's a decent lynch target for today. Yes, he would probably play like this regardless of whether he's mafia or civ, but a random lynch on shock is no worse than a random lynch on anyone else. The utility of the lynch on him would be that he stops roleblocking people. There's a decent chance that our GA correctly identified the NK target (there are other ways for there to be no NK, but this is one of them) - what would have happened if shock had decided to roleblock the GA last night? Or the GN? This is not a factor I want to have to deal with.
I'm totally okay with lynching shockcannon if that's what everyone else agrees with.
Post by: Calindu on May 23, 2019, 11:15:59 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
I agree with Root about shockcannon, I'd rather not see abilities blocked randomly, as some of them are quite important. Moreover, unless he is mafia, the roles that he's blocking are fully random with the information we have at the moment.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 23, 2019, 11:31:21 pm
You all are actually so boring to read. I don't think shortening night phase is going to make that any more bearable. Let's speed things up a bit. I'm mind flayer. The person I blocked last night is hidden somewhere in this message. Have fun.
[16:25:02] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› even if it doesnt show right now, basically everyone wants to vote for you now
This is True. If i didnt feel so strongly about espi you would be my vote.
I quoted you because if you are mind flayer, then that means you can vote. And now that you are getting some negative attention, maybe now is the best time. The chat log will be posted soon but you are implying you have info. Like inside info. If you do, then maybe sharing some of that in your vote? So unless you are lying about your role (again) then i would like to see some info from you, instead of just hearing you say you have info.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 11:38:28 pm
- iancu's vote on dawn is notable
- shock may or may not have fakeclaimed Flayer
- if we lynch shock, we should pay attention to who wagons onto him
I'm letting someone else post the full chatlog, should be up soon - it's a spicy one.
Post by: Espithel on May 23, 2019, 11:40:43 pm
[00:04:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. WARNING: May contain traces of nuts.
[00:06:10] ‹shockcannon› the day I waste my ability on ian's lame face is the day I lose to RootRanger in trials
[00:06:13] ‹shockcannon› in other words, never
[00:06:46] ‹shockcannon› but am I mindgating?
[00:06:52] ‹shockcannon› lol, sometimes I laugh at my own words
[00:07:10] ‹shockcannon› also for reals, you guys are so boring to read
[00:07:25] ‹shockcannon› there's been maybe 3 posts out of the past 40 that actually offer anything useful
[00:07:55] ‹ddevans96› you aren't reading carefully enough
[00:08:04] ‹ddevans96› which 3, out of curiosity?
[00:08:26] ‹shockcannon› i mean
[00:08:32] ‹shockcannon› i don't really want to give away what I know
[00:08:35] ‹shockcannon› you could be mafia
[00:09:02] ‹ddevans96› uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao
[00:09:18] ‹shockcannon› eh screw it
[00:09:19] ‹ddevans96› offering opinions on other people's posts isn't 'giving away what you know'
[00:09:28] ‹shockcannon› masterwalks post that he used an ability last night
[00:09:30] ‹shockcannon› ians vote on dawn
[00:09:32] ‹shockcannon› and my post
[00:09:38] ‹shockcannon› the rest are honestly meaningless
[00:09:57] ‹ddevans96› so you think iancu's vote on dawn has significance?
[00:10:01] ‹shockcannon› i supposed you could call my post meaningless also
[00:10:18] ‹shockcannon› but my post caused certain reactions that I was looking for specifically
[00:10:24] ‹shockcannon› so, things are working out for me
[00:10:36] ‹shockcannon› will i get lynched before I can share, who knows and honestly don't really care too much
[00:10:41] ‹shockcannon› would be nice to live more than 2 days though
[00:10:50] ‹shockcannon› and yes, ian's vote on dawn is the only significant vote so far
[00:11:13] ‹ddevans96› I mean - if you want to live more than 2 days, you have to actually cooperate with town
[00:11:26] ‹ddevans96› which so far you've done the opposite
[00:11:31] ‹ddevans96› so idk what you're expecting
[00:11:43] ‹shockcannon› you mean adhere to town's meta-slave logic and reasoning that offers mafia all the room in the world to work with?
[00:11:44] ‹ddevans96› why do you find iancu's vote on dawn to matter?
[00:11:44] ‹shockcannon› yeah no
[00:11:58] ‹ddevans96› lol, you know fuck all if you think I'm a meta slave in mafia
[00:12:02] ‹shockcannon› i'd rather get lynched than follow along with town's useless logic that doesn't provide any real info
[00:12:17] ‹ddevans96› like honestly, your head is so far up your ass rn
[00:12:30] ‹shockcannon› this espithel masterwalks thing right now is a waste of our time
[00:12:42] ‹shockcannon› my head was far up my ass last game too
[00:12:49] ‹shockcannon› but i called out 2 mafia members on day 2
[00:12:51] ‹shockcannon› so
[00:12:57] ‹shockcannon› whatever
[00:13:00] ‹ddevans96› then actually post something useful, that gives us a different direction to go in
[00:13:08] ‹ddevans96› do you want us to vote on iancu? on dawn? what?
[00:13:14] ‹ddevans96› you have to actually communicate
[00:13:27] ‹shockcannon› anything i post now is going to get me lynched
[00:13:33] ‹shockcannon› i'm playing this game quiet for the first few days
[00:13:39] ‹shockcannon› if you want to lynch me for that, so be it
[00:13:40] ‹ddevans96› no, actually, it's going to do the opposite
[00:13:44] ‹ddevans96› talk, now. or my vote moves
[00:13:52] ‹shockcannon› do it then
[00:13:54] ‹shockcannon› move your vote
[00:14:44] ‹shockcannon› i'm not dumping info right before I die like last game though since that was so unpopular
[00:14:48] ‹shockcannon› so if i die today you'll lose my info
[00:15:13] ‹ddevans96› then don't die
[00:15:19] ‹ddevans96› cooperate, and you live. easy
[00:16:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Every single time, someone has to go and say something like this.
[00:16:35] ‹ddevans96› if you think you have a better way to play this mafia than me, Root, Link, we'd love to hear it
[00:16:40] ‹Wyand› shock wrote more than 6 hours of chat
[00:16:58] ‹ddevans96› you did play a big role last game - doesn't matter if people didn't like it, sometimes that wins games
[00:17:08] ‹ddevans96› Submachine used to piss people off, but it won games
[00:17:35] ‹ddevans96› justaburd did it, I've done it, it happens. mafia is cutthroat
[00:17:56] ‹shockcannon› I will say
[00:18:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Justaburd talked?
[00:18:23] ‹shockcannon› keep a watch on how many people vote me now that Calindu has started the train
[00:18:42] ‹ddevans96› justa actually deserves most of the credit for the game I 'carried' him
[00:18:44] ‹shockcannon› it's going to offer a lot of information. (I won't say what information though, you'll have to figure that out for yourself)
[00:18:52] ‹ddevans96› dude was good at mafia, even if he didn't always play like it
[00:19:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Can mafia numbers stay Hugh for the next couple mafias
[00:19:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I’d like to play one once my exams are done
[00:19:35] ‹shockcannon› please join
[00:19:38] ‹shockcannon› I know you'd side with me
[00:19:47] ‹shockcannon› if we ever got mafia together it'd be game over
[00:20:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Boom boom
[00:20:26] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› The rules appear to be quite fun, and the timing for this mafia was also really good, maybe people stick around after that
[00:20:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Hopefully
[00:21:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This is also why I kind of don’t want night phase to reduce to one day lol
[00:21:26] ‹Calindu› How so?
[00:21:27] ‹ddevans96› anyways - it's funny that you would say '[2019-05-23 17:18:23] ‹shockcannon› keep a watch on how many people vote me now that Calindu has started the train'
[00:21:31] ‹ddevans96› and not discuss specific people
[00:21:40] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 9 ...
[00:21:45] ‹ddevans96› it's as if you expect specific people to vote on you
[00:21:50] ‹Wyand› good mafia night to all :P
[00:21:52] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oh, to stall for exams to finish
[00:21:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yhhh
[00:22:52] ‹ddevans96› regardless - you've said enough to fulfill your end of the deal
[00:23:30] ‹ddevans96› at least for me. hopefully you can manage to convince others
[00:23:32] ‹Calindu› Tbh, you should expect people to vote on you if you just disregard a plan that multiple players agreed to
[00:23:40] ‹moehrpi› Sticking around sure sounds like fun. But I feel a bit useless not providing any information. If this does change I might grow an appetite for it. :D
[00:24:54] ‹moehrpi› Also, I'd love to play mafia irl with shock. This should be fun especially for him as it is a lot faster.
[00:25:02] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› even if it doesnt show right now, basically everyone wants to vote for you now
[00:25:12] ‹ddevans96› I'll ask again - do you want us to vote for dawn or iancu?
[00:25:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› obviously
[00:25:46] ‹ddevans96› answering that question is really the only way you live
[00:25:46] ‹kaempfer13› well at this point its almos reverse psychology; only mafia wont care enough
[00:25:49] ‹shockcannon› I must say though
[00:26:05] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@moehrpi› what’s more important than providing info is reading posts and reading other people
[00:26:09] ‹shockcannon› I'm pretty shocked everyone just accepts that I'm mind flayer and that I did block someone lasst night
[00:26:15] ‹kaempfer13› but they ll probably still agree to fit in
[00:26:27] ‹ddevans96› are they accepting it? or ignoring it?
[00:26:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› i dont think anyone needs to vote for either
[00:26:42] ‹ddevans96› okay. who do you want people to vote for?
[00:26:48] ‹shockcannon› it's just the only vote that actually gives us a read into anything at all
[00:27:03] ‹Linkcat› I hate when things happen while I'm asleep.
[00:27:05] ‹ddevans96› I agree, actually
[00:27:06] ‹shockcannon› I have no facts that point to mafia right now which is why I'm not voting
[00:27:10] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› whether you are a liar or a roleblocker you hurt town either way
[00:27:10] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› sleep less
[00:27:26] ‹Linkcat› High level strat right there.
[00:27:44] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I hoped I'd do better. Sub was actually my first read last mafia when I didn't play even before the shock drama began. But I'm not getting a decisive feeling this time around yet.
[00:27:44] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› I don't believe for a second that you're Mind Flayer lol.
[00:27:46] ‹ddevans96› then what lynch do you think would give us the most information?
[00:28:15] ‹Linkcat› It looks like like you intentionally picked the role that would make people want to lynch you the most.
[00:28:21] ‹ddevans96› ^
[00:28:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@moehrpi› it’s only day one lol
[00:28:35] ‹shockcannon› who we lynch doesn't really matter even if its me
[00:28:36] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You’ll find stuff dw
[00:29:11] ‹shockcannon› If you're not too busy following meta-slave logic and using nooby town tactics, you would already be able to learn a lot just from how people have voted and what they've said
[00:29:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I told link last maf that mobian was mafia lel that one was screaming so much
[00:29:16] ‹ddevans96› alright - someone else can post chatlog this time
[00:29:28] ‹ddevans96› and you don't think we've done that?
[00:29:33] ‹Linkcat› Guys, the smart play is to just ignore everything shock says.
[00:29:43] ‹Linkcat› That's what I would have done the last mafia.
[00:29:49] ‹shockcannon› if you want me to be truthful, no i dont think anyone is really doing that
[00:30:00] ‹shockcannon› which is obvious from how people are voting
[00:30:02] ‹ddevans96› do you actually think we're that different from you? that we share everything that's going on in our heads?
[00:30:08] ‹Linkcat› At least, that's what I would have said we should do, but I doubt I would hav ebeen able to resist engaging with him.
[00:30:09] ‹Espithel› I think Shock is the vulture.
[00:30:12] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I'm confident I'll find strategies that I can bandwagon. :)
[00:30:23] ‹ddevans96› and, again - I do NOT follow the meta, lmao, so stop implying that
[00:30:31] ‹ddevans96› I've always played mafia my own way
[00:30:33] ‹shockcannon› i'm not talking about you with everything i say
[00:30:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› There’s a meta to mafia?
[00:31:11] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yes, although instead of "which strategies are good", it's closer to "which strategies are expected"
[00:31:18] ‹ddevans96› you're lumping everyone but yourself into one group
[00:31:21] ‹ddevans96› so you kinda are
[00:31:32] ‹kaempfer13› chat moehrpi really wants to get lynched
[00:31:43] ‹Espithel› If this was anyone except shock, he'd be getting lynched pretty much instantly for throwing the game
[00:31:46] ‹Espithel› But it's shock
[00:31:48] ‹Espithel› So it's more okay
[00:32:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. DANGER ZONE!
[00:32:13] ‹shockcannon› i've shared more with you just now in chat than everyone else combined has in the forum thread
[00:32:25] ‹shockcannon› if you don't believe that, you should probably lynch me now
[00:32:40] ‹shockcannon› because no one will care what I have to say later then
[00:32:41] ‹ddevans96› you've shared nothing that none of us didn't figure out on our own, contrary to your belief
[00:33:07] ‹ddevans96› on the contrary, words matter more later in the game
[00:33:45] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› The way I phrased that, surely. I could have said: I don't have information I can share at this point and will do any town strategy to smoke out mafia.
[00:33:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This time I’ll send subs my mafia choices end of each phase lel
[00:35:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› I mean youve (jokingly) claimed mafia every time I saw you
[00:35:15] ‹kaempfer13› sometimes harder than other times
[00:35:28] ‹MasterWalks› hes probably phoenix
[00:35:29] ‹kaempfer13› but only in chat
[00:35:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hi im mafia. guess who i am
[00:36:10] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› I'd say I did once and that was way over the top.
[00:36:37] ‹moehrpi› I wasn't aware bandwagon is closely associated with mafia?!
[00:37:23] ‹kaempfer13› bandwaggoning means joining the pack justbecause a lot of people already did
[00:37:24] ‹moehrpi› I was thinking more like I'll follow, say, ian's plan to improve our odds.
[00:37:42] ‹Espithel› 'ey, is this convo over yet?
[00:37:48] ‹Espithel› I'd like to post it to blab eventually.
[00:37:53] ‹Espithel› to blab
[00:37:55] ‹Espithel› ¬_¬
[00:37:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› (I got bored that guest was me btw)
[00:37:58] ‹Espithel› To the forums
[00:38:38] ‹ddevans96› go for it
[00:38:46] ‹kaempfer13› just make it a 2parter
[00:06:10] ‹shockcannon› the day I waste my ability on ian's lame face is the day I lose to RootRanger in trials
[00:06:13] ‹shockcannon› in other words, never
[00:06:46] ‹shockcannon› but am I mindgating?
[00:06:52] ‹shockcannon› lol, sometimes I laugh at my own words
[00:07:10] ‹shockcannon› also for reals, you guys are so boring to read
[00:07:25] ‹shockcannon› there's been maybe 3 posts out of the past 40 that actually offer anything useful
[00:07:55] ‹ddevans96› you aren't reading carefully enough
[00:08:04] ‹ddevans96› which 3, out of curiosity?
[00:08:26] ‹shockcannon› i mean
[00:08:32] ‹shockcannon› i don't really want to give away what I know
[00:08:35] ‹shockcannon› you could be mafia
[00:09:02] ‹ddevans96› uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao
[00:09:18] ‹shockcannon› eh screw it
[00:09:19] ‹ddevans96› offering opinions on other people's posts isn't 'giving away what you know'
[00:09:28] ‹shockcannon› masterwalks post that he used an ability last night
[00:09:30] ‹shockcannon› ians vote on dawn
[00:09:32] ‹shockcannon› and my post
[00:09:38] ‹shockcannon› the rest are honestly meaningless
[00:09:57] ‹ddevans96› so you think iancu's vote on dawn has significance?
[00:10:01] ‹shockcannon› i supposed you could call my post meaningless also
[00:10:18] ‹shockcannon› but my post caused certain reactions that I was looking for specifically
[00:10:24] ‹shockcannon› so, things are working out for me
[00:10:36] ‹shockcannon› will i get lynched before I can share, who knows and honestly don't really care too much
[00:10:41] ‹shockcannon› would be nice to live more than 2 days though
[00:10:50] ‹shockcannon› and yes, ian's vote on dawn is the only significant vote so far
[00:11:13] ‹ddevans96› I mean - if you want to live more than 2 days, you have to actually cooperate with town
[00:11:26] ‹ddevans96› which so far you've done the opposite
[00:11:31] ‹ddevans96› so idk what you're expecting
[00:11:43] ‹shockcannon› you mean adhere to town's meta-slave logic and reasoning that offers mafia all the room in the world to work with?
[00:11:44] ‹ddevans96› why do you find iancu's vote on dawn to matter?
[00:11:44] ‹shockcannon› yeah no
[00:11:58] ‹ddevans96› lol, you know fuck all if you think I'm a meta slave in mafia
[00:12:02] ‹shockcannon› i'd rather get lynched than follow along with town's useless logic that doesn't provide any real info
[00:12:17] ‹ddevans96› like honestly, your head is so far up your ass rn
[00:12:30] ‹shockcannon› this espithel masterwalks thing right now is a waste of our time
[00:12:42] ‹shockcannon› my head was far up my ass last game too
[00:12:49] ‹shockcannon› but i called out 2 mafia members on day 2
[00:12:51] ‹shockcannon› so
[00:12:57] ‹shockcannon› whatever
[00:13:00] ‹ddevans96› then actually post something useful, that gives us a different direction to go in
[00:13:08] ‹ddevans96› do you want us to vote on iancu? on dawn? what?
[00:13:14] ‹ddevans96› you have to actually communicate
[00:13:27] ‹shockcannon› anything i post now is going to get me lynched
[00:13:33] ‹shockcannon› i'm playing this game quiet for the first few days
[00:13:39] ‹shockcannon› if you want to lynch me for that, so be it
[00:13:40] ‹ddevans96› no, actually, it's going to do the opposite
[00:13:44] ‹ddevans96› talk, now. or my vote moves
[00:13:52] ‹shockcannon› do it then
[00:13:54] ‹shockcannon› move your vote
[00:14:44] ‹shockcannon› i'm not dumping info right before I die like last game though since that was so unpopular
[00:14:48] ‹shockcannon› so if i die today you'll lose my info
[00:15:13] ‹ddevans96› then don't die
[00:15:19] ‹ddevans96› cooperate, and you live. easy
[00:16:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Every single time, someone has to go and say something like this.
[00:16:35] ‹ddevans96› if you think you have a better way to play this mafia than me, Root, Link, we'd love to hear it
[00:16:40] ‹Wyand› shock wrote more than 6 hours of chat
[00:16:58] ‹ddevans96› you did play a big role last game - doesn't matter if people didn't like it, sometimes that wins games
[00:17:08] ‹ddevans96› Submachine used to piss people off, but it won games
[00:17:35] ‹ddevans96› justaburd did it, I've done it, it happens. mafia is cutthroat
[00:17:56] ‹shockcannon› I will say
[00:18:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Justaburd talked?
[00:18:23] ‹shockcannon› keep a watch on how many people vote me now that Calindu has started the train
[00:18:42] ‹ddevans96› justa actually deserves most of the credit for the game I 'carried' him
[00:18:44] ‹shockcannon› it's going to offer a lot of information. (I won't say what information though, you'll have to figure that out for yourself)
[00:18:52] ‹ddevans96› dude was good at mafia, even if he didn't always play like it
[00:19:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Can mafia numbers stay Hugh for the next couple mafias
[00:19:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I’d like to play one once my exams are done
[00:19:35] ‹shockcannon› please join
[00:19:38] ‹shockcannon› I know you'd side with me
[00:19:47] ‹shockcannon› if we ever got mafia together it'd be game over
[00:20:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Boom boom
[00:20:26] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› The rules appear to be quite fun, and the timing for this mafia was also really good, maybe people stick around after that
[00:20:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Hopefully
[00:21:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This is also why I kind of don’t want night phase to reduce to one day lol
[00:21:26] ‹Calindu› How so?
[00:21:27] ‹ddevans96› anyways - it's funny that you would say '[2019-05-23 17:18:23] ‹shockcannon› keep a watch on how many people vote me now that Calindu has started the train'
[00:21:31] ‹ddevans96› and not discuss specific people
[00:21:40] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 9 ...
[00:21:45] ‹ddevans96› it's as if you expect specific people to vote on you
[00:21:50] ‹Wyand› good mafia night to all :P
[00:21:52] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oh, to stall for exams to finish
[00:21:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yhhh
[00:22:52] ‹ddevans96› regardless - you've said enough to fulfill your end of the deal
[00:23:30] ‹ddevans96› at least for me. hopefully you can manage to convince others
[00:23:32] ‹Calindu› Tbh, you should expect people to vote on you if you just disregard a plan that multiple players agreed to
[00:23:40] ‹moehrpi› Sticking around sure sounds like fun. But I feel a bit useless not providing any information. If this does change I might grow an appetite for it. :D
[00:24:54] ‹moehrpi› Also, I'd love to play mafia irl with shock. This should be fun especially for him as it is a lot faster.
[00:25:02] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› even if it doesnt show right now, basically everyone wants to vote for you now
[00:25:12] ‹ddevans96› I'll ask again - do you want us to vote for dawn or iancu?
[00:25:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› obviously
[00:25:46] ‹ddevans96› answering that question is really the only way you live
[00:25:46] ‹kaempfer13› well at this point its almos reverse psychology; only mafia wont care enough
[00:25:49] ‹shockcannon› I must say though
[00:26:05] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@moehrpi› what’s more important than providing info is reading posts and reading other people
[00:26:09] ‹shockcannon› I'm pretty shocked everyone just accepts that I'm mind flayer and that I did block someone lasst night
[00:26:15] ‹kaempfer13› but they ll probably still agree to fit in
[00:26:27] ‹ddevans96› are they accepting it? or ignoring it?
[00:26:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› i dont think anyone needs to vote for either
[00:26:42] ‹ddevans96› okay. who do you want people to vote for?
[00:26:48] ‹shockcannon› it's just the only vote that actually gives us a read into anything at all
[00:27:03] ‹Linkcat› I hate when things happen while I'm asleep.
[00:27:05] ‹ddevans96› I agree, actually
[00:27:06] ‹shockcannon› I have no facts that point to mafia right now which is why I'm not voting
[00:27:10] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› whether you are a liar or a roleblocker you hurt town either way
[00:27:10] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› sleep less
[00:27:26] ‹Linkcat› High level strat right there.
[00:27:44] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I hoped I'd do better. Sub was actually my first read last mafia when I didn't play even before the shock drama began. But I'm not getting a decisive feeling this time around yet.
[00:27:44] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› I don't believe for a second that you're Mind Flayer lol.
[00:27:46] ‹ddevans96› then what lynch do you think would give us the most information?
[00:28:15] ‹Linkcat› It looks like like you intentionally picked the role that would make people want to lynch you the most.
[00:28:21] ‹ddevans96› ^
[00:28:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@moehrpi› it’s only day one lol
[00:28:35] ‹shockcannon› who we lynch doesn't really matter even if its me
[00:28:36] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You’ll find stuff dw
[00:29:11] ‹shockcannon› If you're not too busy following meta-slave logic and using nooby town tactics, you would already be able to learn a lot just from how people have voted and what they've said
[00:29:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I told link last maf that mobian was mafia lel that one was screaming so much
[00:29:16] ‹ddevans96› alright - someone else can post chatlog this time
[00:29:28] ‹ddevans96› and you don't think we've done that?
[00:29:33] ‹Linkcat› Guys, the smart play is to just ignore everything shock says.
[00:29:43] ‹Linkcat› That's what I would have done the last mafia.
[00:29:49] ‹shockcannon› if you want me to be truthful, no i dont think anyone is really doing that
[00:30:00] ‹shockcannon› which is obvious from how people are voting
[00:30:02] ‹ddevans96› do you actually think we're that different from you? that we share everything that's going on in our heads?
[00:30:08] ‹Linkcat› At least, that's what I would have said we should do, but I doubt I would hav ebeen able to resist engaging with him.
[00:30:09] ‹Espithel› I think Shock is the vulture.
[00:30:12] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I'm confident I'll find strategies that I can bandwagon. :)
[00:30:23] ‹ddevans96› and, again - I do NOT follow the meta, lmao, so stop implying that
[00:30:31] ‹ddevans96› I've always played mafia my own way
[00:30:33] ‹shockcannon› i'm not talking about you with everything i say
[00:30:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› There’s a meta to mafia?
[00:31:11] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yes, although instead of "which strategies are good", it's closer to "which strategies are expected"
[00:31:18] ‹ddevans96› you're lumping everyone but yourself into one group
[00:31:21] ‹ddevans96› so you kinda are
[00:31:32] ‹kaempfer13› chat moehrpi really wants to get lynched
[00:31:43] ‹Espithel› If this was anyone except shock, he'd be getting lynched pretty much instantly for throwing the game
[00:31:46] ‹Espithel› But it's shock
[00:31:48] ‹Espithel› So it's more okay
[00:32:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. DANGER ZONE!
[00:32:13] ‹shockcannon› i've shared more with you just now in chat than everyone else combined has in the forum thread
[00:32:25] ‹shockcannon› if you don't believe that, you should probably lynch me now
[00:32:40] ‹shockcannon› because no one will care what I have to say later then
[00:32:41] ‹ddevans96› you've shared nothing that none of us didn't figure out on our own, contrary to your belief
[00:33:07] ‹ddevans96› on the contrary, words matter more later in the game
[00:33:45] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› The way I phrased that, surely. I could have said: I don't have information I can share at this point and will do any town strategy to smoke out mafia.
[00:33:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This time I’ll send subs my mafia choices end of each phase lel
[00:35:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› I mean youve (jokingly) claimed mafia every time I saw you
[00:35:15] ‹kaempfer13› sometimes harder than other times
[00:35:28] ‹MasterWalks› hes probably phoenix
[00:35:29] ‹kaempfer13› but only in chat
[00:35:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hi im mafia. guess who i am
[00:36:10] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› I'd say I did once and that was way over the top.
[00:36:37] ‹moehrpi› I wasn't aware bandwagon is closely associated with mafia?!
[00:37:23] ‹kaempfer13› bandwaggoning means joining the pack justbecause a lot of people already did
[00:37:24] ‹moehrpi› I was thinking more like I'll follow, say, ian's plan to improve our odds.
[00:37:42] ‹Espithel› 'ey, is this convo over yet?
[00:37:48] ‹Espithel› I'd like to post it to blab eventually.
[00:37:53] ‹Espithel› to blab
[00:37:55] ‹Espithel› ¬_¬
[00:37:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› (I got bored that guest was me btw)
[00:37:58] ‹Espithel› To the forums
[00:38:38] ‹ddevans96› go for it
[00:38:46] ‹kaempfer13› just make it a 2parter
Will parse into nicer chunks if requested.
Post by: shockcannon on May 23, 2019, 11:50:32 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Indulge me please. I want to see uninterrupted town strategy crush the 4 mafia scum this game. We all know, me included, that I can't play along nicely with town strategy.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 23, 2019, 11:53:33 pm
I maintain that we gain the most information by lynching Espi. If anyone has other alternatives, I'd like to discuss them.
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2019, 11:56:17 pm
Post by: RootRanger on May 24, 2019, 12:02:46 am
Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 12:18:38 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 12:21:37 am
Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.
Then why not kaempf?
JCJ's excuse is that he likes and misses Espi. He even says Espi may or may not be town or whatever. JCJ is not voting seriously.
Kaempf votes me because he is sooo sure that Espi is town. Kaempf is voting seriously.
JCJ is not going to change his vote because its not a serious one. Kaempf literally said he would if he was swayed to another vote.
Either way, not really a fan of that strategy. I dont think a single vote on either of them will change their opinions because neither of them are sketchy or all that scummy. Your vote would be much more helpful on voting Espi, me, or shock.
Post by: RootRanger on May 24, 2019, 12:26:01 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 12:27:36 am
first section is scarce in content, but including for context:
[2019-05-23 17:46:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› unless you can make a psychologist jealous with your mindreading abilities (in which case how have you not figured out not to get everyone to want to lynch you?) there is no way you could have anywhere near enough info now to go against agreed upon town strategy and make a difference in the day you have left to live
[2019-05-23 17:46:43] ‹Linkcat› Oh, the same one as you.
[2019-05-23 17:46:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› KONG*
[2019-05-23 17:47:06] ‹Espithel› Yes I have that curse too
[2019-05-23 17:47:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› When he was brandonC6 or something
[2019-05-23 17:47:13] ‹Espithel› Just not as extreme. Anymore. I hope.
[2019-05-23 17:47:37] ‹Linkcat› Now stop calling people weird things or I will actually lynch you.
[2019-05-23 17:47:39] ‹kaempfer13› paying attention to votes against you is useless if everyone votes you
[2019-05-23 17:47:48] ‹Linkcat› lmao
[2019-05-23 17:48:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› daddy and mommy are old school. I suggest LOLLY LINKY
[2019-05-23 17:48:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It has a ring to it
[2019-05-23 17:48:31] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› On another topic. I am missing a tournament trophy. I already have the code though.
[2019-05-23 17:48:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› lol you want a post?
[2019-05-23 17:48:37] ‹shockcannon› sure
[2019-05-23 17:48:37] ‹Calindu› We should pay attention to anyone who wagons late into the day tbh
[2019-05-23 17:48:41] ‹shockcannon› i'll indulge you
[2019-05-23 17:48:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› i dont think iam to anymore
[2019-05-23 17:48:51] ‹shockcannon› you won't like it though, but that shouldn't surprise you
[2019-05-23 17:48:54] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› agreed
[2019-05-23 17:49:03] ‹Linkcat› Fun fact: The largest vote train ever on a single person was led by me on Espithel with 27/30 votes.
[2019-05-23 17:49:41] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› was he a mafia?
[2019-05-23 17:49:49] ‹Espithel› No
[2019-05-23 17:49:49] ‹Linkcat› No
[2019-05-23 17:49:54] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› I don't even complain
[2019-05-23 17:49:58] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[2019-05-23 17:50:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Linkcat was mafia :sillyspin:
[2019-05-23 17:50:09] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Jk jk idk
[2019-05-23 17:50:11] ‹Espithel› "We should lynch experienced people because they might be turnt into mafia"
[2019-05-23 17:50:14] ‹Espithel› :clap@
[2019-05-23 17:50:30] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› All right sorry to bother you. :p
[2019-05-23 17:50:31] ‹Linkcat› If anyone calls me lolly linky I will mod your posts.
[2019-05-23 17:50:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock, read that
[2019-05-23 17:50:41] ‹Espithel› Loli Lini uwu
[2019-05-23 17:50:49] ‹Linkcat› You deserved to die for that.
[2019-05-23 17:50:54] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› If you’re getting lynched it’s because they’re scared of your experience
[2019-05-23 17:51:06] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Linkcat› I’m not in mafia can’t mod
[2019-05-23 17:51:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› If you link me for fursecution that's just proof you're scum
[2019-05-23 17:51:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Another alternative is
[2019-05-23 17:51:35] ‹Espithel› In both senses of the world
[2019-05-23 17:51:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› CUTIE CATTY
[2019-05-23 17:51:44] ‹Espithel› Let me be a pathetic shitstain in peace >:(
[2019-05-23 17:53:18] ‹Coffeeditto› hello
[2019-05-23 17:53:20] ‹shockcannon› you know
[2019-05-23 17:53:26] ‹Espithel› Hi!
[2019-05-23 17:53:35] ‹shockcannon› if day phases were shorter I may be able to stay silent long enough in chat and thread to go under the radar
[2019-05-23 17:53:36] ‹Linkcat› Ah, it was Mafia 49.
[2019-05-23 17:53:37] ‹shockcannon› but alas it's not
[2019-05-23 17:53:39] ‹shockcannon› and i get bored
[2019-05-23 17:53:40] ‹Linkcat› I was mafia that game.
[2019-05-23 17:53:47] ‹Espithel› only 49?
[2019-05-23 17:53:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I called it
[2019-05-23 17:53:53] ‹Espithel› I thought it was 57.
[2019-05-23 17:53:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I fing called it
[2019-05-23 17:54:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Without even reading the game
[2019-05-23 17:54:13] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I called it
[2019-05-23 17:54:47] ‹ddevans96› if you get bored after two days, you need more hobbies
[2019-05-23 17:55:03] ‹Coffeeditto› when I get bored in mafia, I just don't post
[2019-05-23 17:55:10] ‹Coffeeditto› which is the same as if I am not bored
[2019-05-23 17:55:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› i thought i wasnt going to like it
[2019-05-23 17:55:16] ‹Coffeeditto› very nice tactic
[2019-05-23 17:55:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› We're proud of you. Now all you need is a buff and you could actually inflict some damage.
[2019-05-23 17:55:18] ‹MasterWalks› that was lame.
[2019-05-23 17:55:23] ‹MasterWalks› and you say we are boring lmao
conversation gets much more dense here:
[2019-05-23 17:55:46] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you know what
[2019-05-23 17:56:00] ‹shockcannon› i'll actually journal my present thoughts throughout this game
[2019-05-23 17:56:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, come on, step up
[2019-05-23 17:56:09] ‹shockcannon› and share afterwards how noob you are
[2019-05-23 17:56:13] ‹ddevans96› yeah, perfect
[2019-05-23 17:56:36] ‹shockcannon› actually that may be too boring. You'll get a half promise on that happening
[2019-05-23 17:56:50] ‹MasterWalks› sure, make a diary.
[2019-05-23 17:56:50] ‹ddevans96› no, that'd be super exciting
[2019-05-23 17:56:53] ‹ddevans96› do it
[2019-05-23 17:57:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› everyone will know your future gameplan then!! They’ll copy it and it’ll become the meta plan’
[2019-05-23 17:57:24] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› *!
[2019-05-23 17:57:30] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[2019-05-23 17:57:42] ‹Linkcat› I agree, thoughts written down during the game are always fun to read.
[2019-05-23 17:57:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› :sillyspin:
[2019-05-23 17:58:01] ‹kaempfer13› I dont really like how dd is holding onto mws claim just because mw didnt back down from it (while providing no reason that wouldnt apply to everyone else or is just as likely to come from a towny) and linkcat joining in just because uwu
[2019-05-23 17:58:42] ‹ddevans96› elaborate
[2019-05-23 17:58:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› Youre holding onto your vote on me for.... wait idk what for.
[2019-05-23 17:59:06] ‹shockcannon› "N0: MasterWalks F*cks up and reveals that he used an ability. Whatever, more info for me."
[2019-05-23 17:59:12] ‹Linkcat› It's Day 1, every vote is baseless.
[2019-05-23 17:59:33] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› my alternative rn is shockcannon
[2019-05-23 18:00:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› The amount of chat that has happened already, no vote should be completely baseless :sillyspin:
[2019-05-23 18:00:20] ‹kaempfer13› both of you fucked up according to the official logically agreed upon town plan
[2019-05-23 18:00:27] ‹shockcannon› "N1: ddevans96 is big nub. Good chats in the chat though. put on a real show for all the silent noob hanging around. I got the responses out of the people I wanted. ddevans def town, too nub to be mafia with his chats. moehrpi enters chat and offers just enough for me to get a read. I may try to lynch that kid for beating me in WC. Would be worth. He got lucky af that I threw game 3"
[2019-05-23 18:00:45] ‹Linkcat› lmao
[2019-05-23 18:00:46] ‹ddevans96› true facts
[2019-05-23 18:01:33] ‹ddevans96› but honestly, MW doubling down establishes him as either aggro town or aggro mafia
[2019-05-23 18:01:38] ‹moehrpi› I'm laughing way too hard.
[2019-05-23 18:01:49] ‹kaempfer13› and there are enough people mentally ready to vote shock and apparently we are supposed to learn sth from those votes?
[2019-05-23 18:01:52] ‹Linkcat› I really doubt he's aggro mafia.
[2019-05-23 18:02:04] ‹ddevans96› if he's aggro mafia, then eventually he'll slip up and we'll know for sure, unless he plays perfectly (and that is EXTREMELY rare here, no shade)
[2019-05-23 18:02:16] ‹Linkcat› I think mafia MW would play more calculated.
[2019-05-23 18:02:17] ‹moehrpi› But as kae mentioned earlier I am one of those that won't see the conclusion of this game alive.
[2019-05-23 18:02:23] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, that's the less likely scenario, I agree
[2019-05-23 18:02:36] ‹Linkcat› Actually you have a good chance to live to the end.
[2019-05-23 18:02:43] ‹moehrpi› ...same as shock saw the end of g9 in the final.
[2019-05-23 18:02:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› tbh, Im only aggro rn. After tonight ill probably simmer down to d2d levels
[2019-05-23 18:02:53] ‹kaempfer13› i have not reembelished my vote
[2019-05-23 18:03:01] ‹ddevans96› fair - but regardless, for now, your play is aggro
[2019-05-23 18:03:22] ‹ddevans96› I still find the Espi/MW interactions to be the most intriguing things in the thread so far
[2019-05-23 18:04:08] ‹ddevans96› me maintaining my vote on Espi isn't really about them alone, though
[2019-05-23 18:04:39] ‹Linkcat› When discussion dies down I'll have to read through everything to form an opinion.
[2019-05-23 18:04:47] ‹ddevans96› more of a big picture thing. have to start somewhere, I like that spot
[2019-05-23 18:04:52] ‹moehrpi› I also can't tell why Root voted on JCJ. That might turn out interesting or bland, idk.
[2019-05-23 18:05:14] ‹kaempfer13› i strongly feel espi is town and too lazy to defend himself
[2019-05-23 18:05:16] ‹Linkcat› I always like my vote when it's on Espi.
[2019-05-23 18:05:25] ‹ddevans96› Root gave the answer I expected
[2019-05-23 18:05:33] ‹ddevans96› doesn't move the needle for me. it's the safe/smart answer
[2019-05-23 18:06:00] ‹kaempfer13› espi may be more likely to be mafia, but I think neither actually is
[2019-05-23 18:06:03] ‹ddevans96› he defended himself, just not in a super direct manner
[2019-05-23 18:06:08] ‹ddevans96› consistent with what he usually does
[2019-05-23 18:06:17] ‹Linkcat› ‹@moehrpi› Do you not understand his explanation?
[2019-05-23 18:06:41] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Linkcat› Oh, I got it.
[2019-05-23 18:06:41] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ahhhh
[2019-05-23 18:06:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› put me in this mafia already
[2019-05-23 18:06:49] ‹moehrpi› Was looking for an actual reason.
[2019-05-23 18:07:11] ‹moehrpi› It just confused me that he would vote alongside someone else.
[2019-05-23 18:07:59] ‹kaempfer13› jcj was quietish and jumped on an easy to support lynch
[2019-05-23 18:08:01] ‹moehrpi› I was uncomfortable with the responsibility that might put on me as I just hoped to get a response.
[2019-05-23 18:08:16] ‹moehrpi› Without actuallly doing anything.
[2019-05-23 18:08:20] ‹MasterWalks› I hope to god that shock isnt phoenix
[2019-05-23 18:08:30] ‹ddevans96› jcj could just be lurky town though
[2019-05-23 18:08:32] ‹MasterWalks› can you imagine a non-stop immortal shock in mafia?
[2019-05-23 18:08:36] ‹Linkcat› Lmao I hope to god he is.
[2019-05-23 18:08:40] ‹ddevans96› like I said, I put very little value on d1 interactions
[2019-05-23 18:08:45] ‹ddevans96› that'd be lit ngl
[2019-05-23 18:08:52] ‹Linkcat› JCJ seemed quiet but his explanation makes sense.
[2019-05-23 18:09:39] ‹moehrpi› But it did escape my mind that he already answered when I first mentioned it. That's why my comment is a bit off. :/
[2019-05-23 18:10:05] ‹kaempfer13› I cant imagine another reason why root would choose him
[2019-05-23 18:10:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if phoenix is killed, they cant talk in thread tho
[2019-05-23 18:10:38] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› or was that rule changed
[2019-05-23 18:11:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› JCJ did respond before Root voted for him, though.
[2019-05-23 18:11:41] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› phoenix can talk but not vote
[2019-05-23 18:11:57] ‹MasterWalks› reverse from mafia 70
[2019-05-23 18:12:13] ‹kaempfer13› is he usually not an advocate for chaos?
[2019-05-23 18:12:54] ‹kaempfer13› i mean its widely agreed that chaos is bad for town, but it doesnt seem out of character for town jcj
[2019-05-23 18:13:12] ‹kaempfer13› certainly not mafia jcj ofc
[2019-05-23 18:13:32] ‹MasterWalks› town jcj shotgun blasts "scum" into the thread
[2019-05-23 18:13:59] ‹moehrpi› Here I am talking about Root and didn't even see his last post...
[2019-05-23 18:18:53] ‹shockcannon› for reals
[2019-05-23 18:19:01] ‹shockcannon› whats the point of GA if they can't protect GN
[2019-05-23 18:19:13] ‹shockcannon› actually the stupidest rule in the game
[2019-05-23 18:20:01] ‹Linkcat› JCJ will come back and say that you guys are reading too much into his vote and votes don't mean much on Day 1.
[2019-05-23 18:20:06] ‹Linkcat› Which I agree with.
[2019-05-23 18:21:00] ‹Linkcat› The point is that they can protect any other player.
[2019-05-23 18:21:14] ‹Linkcat› You shouldn't be relying on the cop to win the game.
[2019-05-23 18:22:07] ‹MasterWalks› thank you
[2019-05-23 18:22:16] ‹MasterWalks› thats exactly what my post says
[2019-05-23 18:22:16] ‹shockcannon› golden nymph should try harder to hide then
[2019-05-23 18:23:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› nonseriousvotes are more likely to change
[2019-05-23 18:24:14] ‹kaempfer13› and the only reason i havent flipped to shock yet is because there is a faint promise of somehow gaining info from voting him
[2019-05-23 18:24:26] ‹MasterWalks› no theres not
[2019-05-23 18:24:43] ‹shockcannon› the real struggle of this game is holding back the urge to info bomb the thread, which will win the game but also make everyone hate you
[2019-05-23 18:24:57] ‹MasterWalks› what info could a mindflayer (if thats even true) have that no one else does?
[2019-05-23 18:25:17] ‹shockcannon› I'll try to survive a little longer this game
[2019-05-23 18:25:21] ‹shockcannon› expect an info bomb on day 3
[2019-05-23 18:25:38] ‹Linkcat› Looking forward to it.
[2019-05-23 18:25:45] ‹MasterWalks› yea might want to take some time to actually get some info
[2019-05-23 18:25:51] ‹ddevans96› no way he's actually Flayer
[2019-05-23 18:25:52] ‹moehrpi› Expect shosk to get NK'd N2. >.
[2019-05-23 18:25:54] ‹kaempfer13› and me voting him would reveal nothing but that i dont approve of people who dont give town reliable info/or actively roleblock them
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 12:35:44 am
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 12:36:03 am
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 12:40:22 am
Why did you vote for jcj specifically, out of curiosity?Based on his vote. I think he should know that in a choice between MW and Espi, the right lynch is Espi.
Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.
Until you do, I'm going to create the greatest anime betrayal for self-preservation.
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 12:45:02 am
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 12:46:41 am
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 12:48:54 am
I'm willing to change my vote for pretty obvious reasons. I'm pretty apathetic who dies, including myself.
I'm waiting for Root to respond before I vote seriously. I don't understand his position.
I don't like Shock. That's not a scumread.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 24, 2019, 12:50:43 am
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
This is more of a filler vote, until I get a better scum read.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 01:02:29 am
[01:59:29] ‹shockcannon› Espithel the tsundere
[01:59:31] ‹shockcannon› 0w0
[01:59:58] ‹shockcannon› vote me kiddo
[01:59:59] ‹shockcannon› you won't
[02:00:02] ‹Espithel› BAKA!
[02:00:12] ‹Espithel› Mate, if you want me to vote for you, I will
[02:00:34] ‹shockcannon› you only vote off feelings anyways
[02:00:35] ‹shockcannon› do it
[02:00:38] ‹shockcannon› you don't have the guts
[02:00:42] ‹Espithel› K
[02:00:55] ‹Espithel› I know you're trying to manipulate me into something. I'll take it.
[02:01:30] ‹shockcannon› nah this is for my own personal enjoyment
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger,
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 01:02:51 am
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
I fucked it up.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 24, 2019, 01:04:26 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 01:13:03 am
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 01:16:51 am
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.
I'm game if you want. I'd imagine you'd want to lynch walks?
I think simply ignoring Shock is the best play here, yes. Might as well humour him for a bit while I wait for Root.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 01:17:40 am
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2019, 01:18:00 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 01:18:49 am
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2019, 01:21:10 am
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.
I personally don't get why lynching Espithel would be the better choice between him and MasterWalks. That's why I don't think lynching JCJ for this would be good either. To me, it seems like a 50/50, if not more inclined towards MasterWalks for having no base on his accusations. From his first post, I see that the whole 'who' function is the whole reason he even went with that, which I find pretty ridiculous.
I'll keep my vote on shockcannon for now, but I'm happy to change on Espithel if there's a good reason I can agree with.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 01:22:53 am
I don't really like any of the trains tbh.
Who would you pick, then?
I don't like any of these trains either.
Jcj is the most scummy, in my opinion (Yeah you like me I love you too this is mafia c'mon actually have a reason) out of the list, but that's a very, very weak scumread right now. So weak it'll probably fluctuate in an hour.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 01:25:45 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 01:31:43 am
If you're really that keen on lynching someone I'm going to change my vote to someone I actually think is mafia later in the day. Feel free to join. Can't guarantee this vote will be 100% accurate. I'm less sure this game with more players and I need one more day/night to solidify some leads. Really should be voting no lynch for today. I didn't want to post this because I was having too much fun, but then I realized I also like winning and I'm really bad about staying quiet.
:time :P
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 01:37:20 am
i understand how the base is kinda base-less. He saw a tool that can be used against the spirit of mafia and inquired about it. I think this is how most people are looking at it right?
last mafia was my first mafia. If i had a question about rules, and i had a lot of them, I pm'd Link. Whether or not he is allowed to confirm that, whatever, its what i did. I did not post it publicly. This included things that would not give my role away.
Its the fact he publicly asked about a tool that can be used against mafia. Its the fact that even after applied pressure, he has not said much of anything about getting voted on.
I do not know Espi, and i have heard is a bit weird, but something is just NOT sitting right with me. Do i have more information on this that i do not want to share? Yes. Its more than a gut feeling but thats all i have to use to convince yall to vote for him.
Ill come out with my gameplan rn.
If i get majority vote and its close to deadline, I will role reveal and target reveal. HOPEFULLY that will convince you to vote him.
If he gets lynched, I go back to Mafia 70 MasterWalks and lay low, giving out what info i can gather using my role until i have enough info to help more.
I ask everyone who is sus of me to go back and check one of the chat logs. Whichever one Linkcat was talking about me. He knows me quite well (a little too well tbh, i havent talked to him on a personal level that much, kinda weird) and knows how i would play.
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 24, 2019, 01:39:37 am
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Shock is insane, but shock is town.
I was going to mention something about the possibility of well-orchestrated bussing between dd and shock, but I think shock is town so that's irrelevant now.
Post by: mathman101 on May 24, 2019, 01:45:49 am
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
I wanna throw some pressure on the one that chirps.
That's, and I dont really follow what the reasoning between all the other votes is. (I will try to read more thoughouly tonight when off phone and home at my laptop.)
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 24, 2019, 01:51:48 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 01:51:56 am
Y'alls whole system of "town strategy" is to gather information during the night using the cover of numbers to keep the important roles hidden, and then reveal when there's another guaranteed info. Random lynching based off unfounded arguments and ridiculous reads on day 1 is literally the opposite of that. If you're going to play this boring meta "town-strategy" and lynch anyone who chooses not to adhere to that (idk maybe like me) then at least stick to your own freaking strategy for at least 1 day/night phase. Mafia's probably having a field day right now.
The decoy Golden strategy and making a foundation lynch on someone d1 are not mutually exclusive or mutually detrimental plans. Also, I'd argue that none of our current lynch options are truly on the table because of failure to follow 'the meta'.
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If you're really that keen on lynching someone I'm going to change my vote to someone I actually think is mafia later in the day. Feel free to join. Can't guarantee this vote will be 100% accurate. I'm less sure this game with more players and I need one more day/night to solidify some leads. Really should be voting no lynch for today. I didn't want to post this because I was having too much fun, but then I realized I also like winning and I'm really bad about staying quiet.
This is a good plan. I'll definitely consider joining you if you follow through.
Firstly, he has not defended himself much at all really, more just deflection. He has held majority of the votes this day and hasnt really addressed any of it.
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Its the fact that even after applied pressure, he has not said much of anything about getting voted on.
True, but sometimes hard defending is not the play - he posed a lot of questions to me after I added pressure, prodding my logic. I will concede he didn't respond much to you, however, which is certainly notable.
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I do not know Espi, and i have heard is a bit weird, but something is just NOT sitting right with me. Do i have more information on this that i do not want to share? Yes. Its more than a gut feeling but thats all i have to use to convince yall to vote for him.
Ill come out with my gameplan rn.
If i get majority vote and its close to deadline, I will role reveal and target reveal. HOPEFULLY that will convince you to vote him.
If he gets lynched, I go back to Mafia 70 MasterWalks and lay low, giving out what info i can gather using my role until i have enough info to help more.
I ask everyone who is sus of me to go back and check one of the chat logs. Whichever one Linkcat was talking about me. He knows me quite well (a little too well tbh, i havent talked to him on a personal level that much, kinda weird) and knows how i would play.
Ooh, interesting.
If anyone's opposed to MW doing reveals if he's about to be lynched, I recommend you come forward now.
I'm a little muffed by what is going on with the trusting root as town right now. I think that we are able to do this without the guidance of our unclear; however, that's not to say I scumread Root.
It's not about trusting Root specifically, it's just that Root's vote on jcj changed the dynamic of the round, and so it makes sense to ask him to reevaluate his opinion. Of course, we should be asking that of everyone, but because of the jcj vote, I'm most interested in Root's take on the reformed situation.
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I was going to mention something about the possibility of well-orchestrated bussing between dd and shock, but I think shock is town so that's irrelevant now.
What potential bussing are you thinking about?
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 02:06:51 am
Firstly, he has not defended himself much at all really, more just deflection. He has held majority of the votes this day and hasnt really addressed any of it.
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Its the fact that even after applied pressure, he has not said much of anything about getting voted on.
True, but sometimes hard defending is not the play - he posed a lot of questions to me after I added pressure, prodding my logic. I will concede he didn't respond much to you, however, which is certainly notable.
You said something worth responding to. Walks hasn't.
Maybe if he roleclaims? Even then, I doubt it. I feel like he's trying to bait me.
I'm sure Root will give me some meat when he returns, even if he does happen to be scum.
I'm also against lynching Walks. As... Stubborn as he is, he is my hardest townread. I'm feeling 85%+ he's town. Mafia do not tunnel as much as he is right now.
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 02:10:25 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 02:14:08 am
I'm also against lynching Walks. As... Stubborn as he is, he is my hardest townread. I'm feeling 85%+ he's town. Mafia do not tunnel as much as he is right now.
They can in four-mafia games, and/or games where there's a perceived talent advantage to mafia. What if the team (and just throwing out names of some experienced players, no scumreads and no shade if you aren't on this list) is, hypothetically, MW/Root/jcj/Link? I think it'd be a legitimate strategy for that team to have an aggro mafia.
But, regardless, I agree with you - I don't see MW as mafia here either.
Ian, your face is lame but you're a genius.
Translation*: dawn is mafia
*translation may not be 100% accurate
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 24, 2019, 02:20:52 am
I ask that he doesn't say anything too drastic (like saying X person is GN, Y person is Graboid, Z person is Phoenix), but saying stuff like "I know who the role of X belongs to, and I know that they used their ability for Y", which allows that role to be claimed later.
Regarding Espi vs MW, I don't personally find Espi's defence to be scummy at all, and I personally wouldn't vote for him today. I think we can use this argument to get more information from both parties if we leave everyone alive. Since both of them are under scope, we could potentially start using some abilities on them to see what can stick. Mafia Dragonfly would be bad for this plan. Town Queen would be pretty good to target either of them, Warden is terrible. Don't use ability on either target, Warden, else we should assume you as mafia and kill on sight. Flayer on Espi is up for discussion, and generally comes down to whether the Flayer in question thinks of Espi as mafia or not. I don't agree with Flayer MW. (Yes I am aware that Shock claimed Flayer, but that means next to nothing considering how he generally plays, not to mention the possibility of a second Flayer.) Buffs should probably not be used on either? But I think this is also up to the discretion of the people who use the abilities.
As per usual, we should consider protecting the identity of Graboid with a few non-votes. 13 people have voted so far, of the 19 people who started playing this game. I personally would like to see at least 4 people abstain.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 02:22:52 am
I'm also against lynching Walks. As... Stubborn as he is, he is my hardest townread. I'm feeling 85%+ he's town. Mafia do not tunnel as much as he is right now.
They can in four-mafia games, and/or games where there's a perceived talent advantage to mafia. What if the team (and just throwing out names of some experienced players, no scumreads and no shade if you aren't on this list) is, hypothetically, MW/Root/jcj/Link? I think it'd be a legitimate strategy for that team to have an aggro mafia.
But, regardless, I agree with you - I don't see MW as mafia here either.
Oh?
I'm not aware of aggro mafia strategies. Please elaborate.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 24, 2019, 02:29:00 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 02:31:16 am
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 02:31:56 am
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Post by: Mobian on May 24, 2019, 04:50:01 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 05:04:58 am
If it's what people desire, go for it, I'm just reluctant.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2019, 05:59:43 am
I'd probably remove my vote if it comes down to this. I don't think town gains anything from lynching Johnny.you trying to catch up before getting out of bed I need to get up now I only got as far as this one but I had to f****** comment that my name has no h in it :D
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2019, 06:00:11 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 06:20:34 am
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Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2019, 07:09:07 am
Unless exceptional circs, always better to lynch. The next death is 30% likely to be mafia. No lynch means next death is 0% mafia.
No nightkill could be viewed as exceptional, i thought that last game, but i think i was wrong.
So far i think the scum reads on me are mostly activity based. Im busy and hate typing on phone, sorry. Should be able to devote some time in evenings next week from monday eve
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2019, 10:47:20 am
I'd probably remove my vote if it comes down to this. I don't think town gains anything from lynching Johnny.you trying to catch up before getting out of bed I need to get up now I only got as far as this one but I had to f****** comment that my name has no h in it :D
My apologies, I though Jonathan was long for John. Will edit.
Regarding shock's vote on iancu,
a) iancu could be anything he claimed: town, trying to gather information, post town strategy, roleblocked (more likely by mafia than town, imo)
b) iancu could be mafia: posting plans as not to appear suspicious, fakeclaiming getting roleblocked to throw shade and not having to give info, especially with shock blurting out random blocking nonsense.
c) also unlikely iancu is mafia and was blocked by town
I tend to believe a), ian is also a high-profile player, active and experienced, so a likely target. But both seem plausible. I'd like some more info from shock but we won't get it at this point.
Also, I don't really buy shock blocking roles. Which could be a lead to mafia's secondary roles. I might be a bit slow putting this one together so clearly. Has anyone any more information?
However, shock could be Warden and witnessed 'random' buffing of ian. Which is very scummy. Would ian say to have been blocked and try to buff himself? Potentially.
I count 19 roles for 18 people (not counting GN). Obviously, there's targetting and (mafia?) roleblocking. Not much to work out of this, tbh.
Post by: Submachine on May 24, 2019, 10:52:54 am
My apologies, I though Jonathan was long for John. Will edit.No, no, no, don't edit please. Editing posts is against the rules in mafia. I hope I said this in time and you didn't edit it yet.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2019, 11:41:42 am
Post by: immortal feud on May 24, 2019, 12:11:20 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 12:22:16 pm
[17:25:54] ‹moehrpi› >.<
[17:26:02] ‹ddevans96› posting chat log, again
[17:26:06] ‹ddevans96› too much of this lol
[17:26:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you underestimate me in everything
[17:26:34] ‹shockcannon› you're almost as funny as kaempf and ddevans
[17:26:59] ‹ddevans96› I know, I'm hilarious and charming
[17:27:02] ‹ddevans96› ty <3
[17:27:09] ‹shockcannon› btw
[17:27:13] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[17:27:20] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› link first reks ian now he reks sub
[17:27:20] ‹shockcannon› you're lucky af I got lynched day 2
[17:27:28] ‹shockcannon› I was planning to eat you from n0
[17:27:37] ‹shockcannon› you really gave yourself away as mafia on day 1 though
[17:28:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Always this post.
[17:28:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› he wasnt even mafia
[17:29:00] ‹kaempfer13› noone ever mentions my involvement when posting chatlog :D
[17:29:02] ‹MasterWalks› oh wait
[17:29:04] ‹MasterWalks› yea he was
[17:29:13] ‹MasterWalks› mb, i was thinking root
[17:29:15] ‹ddevans96› you initiated the conversation about me, tbf
[17:31:02] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You gained so much info last game because you homie hopped everyone in PM's. Cant do that this round. I honestly dont think you will be able to come up with info by day 3 that we wouldnt already know. You could prove me wrong tho so we will see.
[17:31:46] ‹shockcannon› PMs were just to get people to talk
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› this game, everyone's already doing that because of increased player count
[17:32:05] ‹shockcannon› there's no need for PMs
[17:32:12] ‹kaempfer13› ok, perhaps my strategy of removing the people who seem to unwittingly help mafia isnt perfect
[17:32:32] ‹ddevans96› why use PMs to get people to talk when you can alternate between every technique in the book like I tried :silly:
[17:32:38] ‹Linkcat› Yeah, you never lynch someone you think is town.
[17:32:45] ‹ddevans96› (gotta give you credit, shock, you stick to your guns)
[17:32:48] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch who you think is mafia.
[17:33:32] ‹kaempfer13› but without nafialeads to go by i go for the nextbest thing
[17:34:15] ‹ddevans96› I'd rather lynch for information before lynching for rogue behavior
[17:34:20] ‹ddevans96› merits to both, that's just me
[17:35:07] ‹kaempfer13› and unless mw truly is gn i dont really see espi kill giveaway much either
[17:35:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› i'll say this only once
[17:35:27] ‹shockcannon› don't let mafia play you this game
[17:35:36] ‹kaempfer13› so what exactly happens when we lynch espi and heÜs town?
[17:35:38] ‹ddevans96› hm, I don't agree
[17:35:47] ‹ddevans96› I think MW being GN gives us the least information long term
[17:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Less reading. More doing.
[17:36:13] ‹ddevans96› statistically, he probably is town. we don't have a better option, in that sense
[17:36:19] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› i learned my lesson last game
[17:36:42] ‹ddevans96› Espi was involved in, in my eyes, the first major event of the game - MW's vote on him
[17:36:54] ‹ddevans96› things like that start a chain reaction of interactions
[17:37:30] ‹kaempfer13› hm, but all of the reactions so far just directly go back to that vote
[17:37:36] ‹ddevans96› do they?
[17:37:46] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› oh ok
[17:38:01] ‹Espithel› The first major event of the game was me owoing
[17:38:01] ‹kaempfer13› well linkcat doesnt like uwu
[17:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Can you find Waldo?
[17:38:08] ‹Espithel› If I didn't you'd be lynching mk
[17:38:10] ‹Espithel› :^)
[17:38:10] ‹ddevans96› you can learn a lot from voting patterns
[17:38:27] ‹MasterWalks› I think insig can vouch that i dont like uwu either
[17:38:41] ‹shockcannon› want my two cents
[17:38:48] ‹ddevans96› and there were some offshoots of that conversation that were pretty interesting
[17:38:52] ‹ddevans96› it all ties together in the end
[17:38:56] ‹ddevans96› just a matter of figuring it out in time
[17:40:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› whats your two cents. enlighten us
[17:41:34] ‹shockcannon› my two cents
[17:41:40] ‹shockcannon› MW and esp are both town
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› but it really doesn't matter if we lynch either of them or not
[17:41:59] ‹Espithel› So, daddy shock
[17:42:00] ‹Espithel› owo
[17:42:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[17:42:03] ‹Espithel› who should we lynch?
[17:42:05] ‹ddevans96› they are probably both town, yes
[17:42:38] ‹shockcannon› fine
[17:42:39] ‹ddevans96› we already established that like two chat logs ago
[17:43:09] ‹shockcannon› i'll do something I really shouldn't do
[17:43:21] ‹shockcannon› before this day ends
[17:43:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› oh yeah, forgot to mention that I'm mafia
[17:43:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› everyone lynch me
[17:43:36] ‹shockcannon› i'll put an actual vote on something I think is pretty definitely mafia
[17:43:42] ‹shockcannon› *someone
[17:43:47] ‹shockcannon› feel free to join suit if you want
[17:43:50] ‹Linkcat› Oh, thanks Insig.
[17:44:01] ‹Linkcat› Can't believe you almost forgot.
[17:44:02] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay, fair play
[17:44:09] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No problem
[17:44:33] ‹MasterWalks› insig would be a terrible phoenix so dont lynch him
[17:44:50] ‹ddevans96› btw - timer is on pg10
[17:52:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Check it out!
[17:55:44] shockcannon joined.
[17:59:24] ‹shockcannon› "I don't like Shock. That's not a scumread."
[17:59:29] ‹shockcannon› Espithel the tsundere
[17:59:31] ‹shockcannon› 0w0
[17:59:58] ‹shockcannon› vote me kiddo
[17:59:59] ‹shockcannon› you won't
[18:00:02] ‹Espithel› BAKA!
[18:00:12] ‹Espithel› Mate, if you want me to vote for you, I will
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› you only vote off feelings anyways
[18:00:35] ‹shockcannon› do it
[18:00:38] ‹shockcannon› you don't have the guts
[18:00:42] ‹Espithel› K
[18:00:55] ‹Espithel› I know you're trying to manipulate me into something. I'll take it.
[18:01:30] ‹shockcannon› nah this is for my own personal enjoyment
[18:01:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Shockcannon the Justaburd reincarnation
[18:01:45] ‹MasterWalks› Hey Linkcat. Is it still a thing to keep posting to extend a deadline?
[18:01:52] ‹Espithel› I enjoy being manipulated and abused
[18:02:00] ‹Linkcat› I never got to play with justa.
[18:02:02] ‹Espithel› For the enjoyment of others
[18:02:03] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[18:02:16] ‹MasterWalks› So can phoenix do that after they die?
[18:02:30] ‹Linkcat› Only votes extend.
[18:02:44] ‹MasterWalks› ohhhh that makes more sense
[18:02:47] ‹MasterWalks› thnks
[18:04:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I did, but I was new and didn't know any better
[18:04:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[18:04:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hey you know what would be fun
[18:05:22] ‹shockcannon› if i shared coffeeditto's primary role?
[18:05:54] ‹ddevans96› it's either false god or elemental
[18:05:57] ‹ddevans96› easy
[18:06:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[18:08:04] ‹Linkcat› Which one though?
[18:08:09] ‹Linkcat› I would like to know.
[18:08:14] ‹Espithel› You forgot the third possibility.
[18:08:16] ‹Espithel› Sub's bastard.
[18:08:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, true, that is a possibility
[18:08:50] ‹shockcannon› oh shizzle
[18:08:58] ‹shockcannon› i missed maybe the most important post so far
[18:09:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm down for a bastard mafia
[18:09:00] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Save it for day 3.
[18:09:06] ‹shockcannon› I can't believe I never read that
[18:09:20] ‹shockcannon› looks like 4 relevant posts now
[18:09:36] ‹ddevans96› which one?
[18:09:45] ‹shockcannon› going to have to reevaulate some stuff now
[18:09:53] ‹shockcannon› not telling
[18:10:05] ‹ddevans96› you told us the first three, what makes this one so special?
[18:10:18] ‹MasterWalks› It has to be d2d's post rolerevealing as phoenix or vulture
[18:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› what were the first 3?
[18:11:14] ‹ddevans96› iancu's vote on dawn, your statement that you used an ability, and his post claiming Flayer
[18:11:26] ‹ddevans96› (which he has since basically said is a fakeclaim)
[18:12:01] ‹MasterWalks› shock needs to reevaluate this whole thing if he thinks any of those hold some secret meaning
[18:12:01] ‹shockcannon› i never said it was a fakeclaim
[18:12:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› na dude I'm a bird lol
[18:12:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Chirp chirrup
[18:12:32] ‹MasterWalks› right. So is a Phoenix and a Vulture
[18:12:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also yo ian voted for me I gotta catch up
[18:13:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Na a Phoenix is a Phoenix and a Vulture is a Vulture
[18:13:10] ‹shockcannon› chirp is def fate egg you noob
[18:13:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm a bird
[18:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[18:20:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[18:20:40] ‹moehrpi› I expect two unmasked mafia when I come back. Goodnight!
[18:20:48] ‹moehrpi› toodeloo
[18:20:49] ‹Espithel› We'll try!
[17:26:02] ‹ddevans96› posting chat log, again
[17:26:06] ‹ddevans96› too much of this lol
[17:26:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you underestimate me in everything
[17:26:34] ‹shockcannon› you're almost as funny as kaempf and ddevans
[17:26:59] ‹ddevans96› I know, I'm hilarious and charming
[17:27:02] ‹ddevans96› ty <3
[17:27:09] ‹shockcannon› btw
[17:27:13] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[17:27:20] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› link first reks ian now he reks sub
[17:27:20] ‹shockcannon› you're lucky af I got lynched day 2
[17:27:28] ‹shockcannon› I was planning to eat you from n0
[17:27:37] ‹shockcannon› you really gave yourself away as mafia on day 1 though
[17:28:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Always this post.
[17:28:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› he wasnt even mafia
[17:29:00] ‹kaempfer13› noone ever mentions my involvement when posting chatlog :D
[17:29:02] ‹MasterWalks› oh wait
[17:29:04] ‹MasterWalks› yea he was
[17:29:13] ‹MasterWalks› mb, i was thinking root
[17:29:15] ‹ddevans96› you initiated the conversation about me, tbf
[17:31:02] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You gained so much info last game because you homie hopped everyone in PM's. Cant do that this round. I honestly dont think you will be able to come up with info by day 3 that we wouldnt already know. You could prove me wrong tho so we will see.
[17:31:46] ‹shockcannon› PMs were just to get people to talk
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› this game, everyone's already doing that because of increased player count
[17:32:05] ‹shockcannon› there's no need for PMs
[17:32:12] ‹kaempfer13› ok, perhaps my strategy of removing the people who seem to unwittingly help mafia isnt perfect
[17:32:32] ‹ddevans96› why use PMs to get people to talk when you can alternate between every technique in the book like I tried :silly:
[17:32:38] ‹Linkcat› Yeah, you never lynch someone you think is town.
[17:32:45] ‹ddevans96› (gotta give you credit, shock, you stick to your guns)
[17:32:48] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch who you think is mafia.
[17:33:32] ‹kaempfer13› but without nafialeads to go by i go for the nextbest thing
[17:34:15] ‹ddevans96› I'd rather lynch for information before lynching for rogue behavior
[17:34:20] ‹ddevans96› merits to both, that's just me
[17:35:07] ‹kaempfer13› and unless mw truly is gn i dont really see espi kill giveaway much either
[17:35:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› i'll say this only once
[17:35:27] ‹shockcannon› don't let mafia play you this game
[17:35:36] ‹kaempfer13› so what exactly happens when we lynch espi and heÜs town?
[17:35:38] ‹ddevans96› hm, I don't agree
[17:35:47] ‹ddevans96› I think MW being GN gives us the least information long term
[17:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Less reading. More doing.
[17:36:13] ‹ddevans96› statistically, he probably is town. we don't have a better option, in that sense
[17:36:19] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› i learned my lesson last game
[17:36:42] ‹ddevans96› Espi was involved in, in my eyes, the first major event of the game - MW's vote on him
[17:36:54] ‹ddevans96› things like that start a chain reaction of interactions
[17:37:30] ‹kaempfer13› hm, but all of the reactions so far just directly go back to that vote
[17:37:36] ‹ddevans96› do they?
[17:37:46] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› oh ok
[17:38:01] ‹Espithel› The first major event of the game was me owoing
[17:38:01] ‹kaempfer13› well linkcat doesnt like uwu
[17:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Can you find Waldo?
[17:38:08] ‹Espithel› If I didn't you'd be lynching mk
[17:38:10] ‹Espithel› :^)
[17:38:10] ‹ddevans96› you can learn a lot from voting patterns
[17:38:27] ‹MasterWalks› I think insig can vouch that i dont like uwu either
[17:38:41] ‹shockcannon› want my two cents
[17:38:48] ‹ddevans96› and there were some offshoots of that conversation that were pretty interesting
[17:38:52] ‹ddevans96› it all ties together in the end
[17:38:56] ‹ddevans96› just a matter of figuring it out in time
[17:40:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› whats your two cents. enlighten us
[17:41:34] ‹shockcannon› my two cents
[17:41:40] ‹shockcannon› MW and esp are both town
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› but it really doesn't matter if we lynch either of them or not
[17:41:59] ‹Espithel› So, daddy shock
[17:42:00] ‹Espithel› owo
[17:42:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[17:42:03] ‹Espithel› who should we lynch?
[17:42:05] ‹ddevans96› they are probably both town, yes
[17:42:38] ‹shockcannon› fine
[17:42:39] ‹ddevans96› we already established that like two chat logs ago
[17:43:09] ‹shockcannon› i'll do something I really shouldn't do
[17:43:21] ‹shockcannon› before this day ends
[17:43:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› oh yeah, forgot to mention that I'm mafia
[17:43:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› everyone lynch me
[17:43:36] ‹shockcannon› i'll put an actual vote on something I think is pretty definitely mafia
[17:43:42] ‹shockcannon› *someone
[17:43:47] ‹shockcannon› feel free to join suit if you want
[17:43:50] ‹Linkcat› Oh, thanks Insig.
[17:44:01] ‹Linkcat› Can't believe you almost forgot.
[17:44:02] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay, fair play
[17:44:09] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No problem
[17:44:33] ‹MasterWalks› insig would be a terrible phoenix so dont lynch him
[17:44:50] ‹ddevans96› btw - timer is on pg10
[17:52:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Check it out!
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[17:59:24] ‹shockcannon› "I don't like Shock. That's not a scumread."
[17:59:29] ‹shockcannon› Espithel the tsundere
[17:59:31] ‹shockcannon› 0w0
[17:59:58] ‹shockcannon› vote me kiddo
[17:59:59] ‹shockcannon› you won't
[18:00:02] ‹Espithel› BAKA!
[18:00:12] ‹Espithel› Mate, if you want me to vote for you, I will
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› you only vote off feelings anyways
[18:00:35] ‹shockcannon› do it
[18:00:38] ‹shockcannon› you don't have the guts
[18:00:42] ‹Espithel› K
[18:00:55] ‹Espithel› I know you're trying to manipulate me into something. I'll take it.
[18:01:30] ‹shockcannon› nah this is for my own personal enjoyment
[18:01:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Shockcannon the Justaburd reincarnation
[18:01:45] ‹MasterWalks› Hey Linkcat. Is it still a thing to keep posting to extend a deadline?
[18:01:52] ‹Espithel› I enjoy being manipulated and abused
[18:02:00] ‹Linkcat› I never got to play with justa.
[18:02:02] ‹Espithel› For the enjoyment of others
[18:02:03] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[18:02:16] ‹MasterWalks› So can phoenix do that after they die?
[18:02:30] ‹Linkcat› Only votes extend.
[18:02:44] ‹MasterWalks› ohhhh that makes more sense
[18:02:47] ‹MasterWalks› thnks
[18:04:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I did, but I was new and didn't know any better
[18:04:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[18:04:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hey you know what would be fun
[18:05:22] ‹shockcannon› if i shared coffeeditto's primary role?
[18:05:54] ‹ddevans96› it's either false god or elemental
[18:05:57] ‹ddevans96› easy
[18:06:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[18:08:04] ‹Linkcat› Which one though?
[18:08:09] ‹Linkcat› I would like to know.
[18:08:14] ‹Espithel› You forgot the third possibility.
[18:08:16] ‹Espithel› Sub's bastard.
[18:08:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, true, that is a possibility
[18:08:50] ‹shockcannon› oh shizzle
[18:08:58] ‹shockcannon› i missed maybe the most important post so far
[18:09:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm down for a bastard mafia
[18:09:00] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Save it for day 3.
[18:09:06] ‹shockcannon› I can't believe I never read that
[18:09:20] ‹shockcannon› looks like 4 relevant posts now
[18:09:36] ‹ddevans96› which one?
[18:09:45] ‹shockcannon› going to have to reevaulate some stuff now
[18:09:53] ‹shockcannon› not telling
[18:10:05] ‹ddevans96› you told us the first three, what makes this one so special?
[18:10:18] ‹MasterWalks› It has to be d2d's post rolerevealing as phoenix or vulture
[18:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› what were the first 3?
[18:11:14] ‹ddevans96› iancu's vote on dawn, your statement that you used an ability, and his post claiming Flayer
[18:11:26] ‹ddevans96› (which he has since basically said is a fakeclaim)
[18:12:01] ‹MasterWalks› shock needs to reevaluate this whole thing if he thinks any of those hold some secret meaning
[18:12:01] ‹shockcannon› i never said it was a fakeclaim
[18:12:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› na dude I'm a bird lol
[18:12:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Chirp chirrup
[18:12:32] ‹MasterWalks› right. So is a Phoenix and a Vulture
[18:12:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also yo ian voted for me I gotta catch up
[18:13:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Na a Phoenix is a Phoenix and a Vulture is a Vulture
[18:13:10] ‹shockcannon› chirp is def fate egg you noob
[18:13:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm a bird
[18:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[18:20:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[18:20:40] ‹moehrpi› I expect two unmasked mafia when I come back. Goodnight!
[18:20:48] ‹moehrpi› toodeloo
[18:20:49] ‹Espithel› We'll try!
Post by: immortal feud on May 24, 2019, 12:26:00 pm
i will be informed tomorrow
Post by: Ginyu on May 24, 2019, 01:25:20 pm
Espithel vs. MasterWalks was basically a claim with no real evidence, mostly to provoke a statement. However, as there was nothing really in the first place, Espi couldn't really defend himself. In the meantime, MW claims he knows more, which could be a good first lead even if he is lying.
Now, the problem is (from what I read) bussing getting rather popular, so even if Espi is mafia, we cannot really trust MW still. We wouldn't gain any real information, but a dead mafia. Great outcome. However, if Espi is town, we have a dead town and MW looks shady, so some information at least. As MW is on the lynch train as well, claiming to know more might also simply be a lie to defend himself. Also, checking through the ability list, I cannot really see any ability except for Golden Nymph that could give him even a tiny lead after just one night. As we agreed for Golden Nymph to not come out too early, I highly doubt he is one, or he isn't following our concept, or he is an aggressive mafia - all of which does not help us.
If there is any additional information in the chatlogs, please post them, because I couldn't bother reading through such an amount of text (I read the entire topic, however). I will hold my vote back in the meantime to cover burrowed players, which I think is a good idea. I am overall leaning to kill either Espi or MW though.
Post by: Linkcat on May 24, 2019, 02:34:48 pm
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[05:11:39] ‹immortal_feud› someone help me
[05:11:47] ‹immortal_feud› whats the next deadlinefor mafia
[05:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Save this for bedtime reading.
[05:12:03] ‹Linkcat› About 30 hours.
[05:12:07] ‹Linkcat› It's on page 10.
[05:13:09] ‹immortal_feud› hmm
[05:13:20] ‹immortal_feud› w/o giving away my role
[05:13:27] ‹immortal_feud› which i also dont know
[05:13:40] ‹immortal_feud› what do i need to have done in 30 hrs time?
[05:15:06] ‹immortal_feud› it has been a busy week for me
[05:15:26] ‹immortal_feud› next week is also busy asf but then i canput more time into stuff
[05:17:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Decide if you want to vote for any of the people who are currently getting voted for
[05:17:25] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or you could also not vote and protect Graboid
[05:17:50] ‹immortal_feud› wait what role do people think i am?
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[05:21:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Afaik? They don
[05:21:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 't
[05:21:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But if you haven't voted, neither have 5 other people
[05:21:32] ‹immortal_feud› ok nice that makes all of us
[05:21:45] ‹immortal_feud› will sort it out tomorrow
[05:21:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If everyone votes, then everyone knows who the Graboid is because Graboid can't vote
[05:22:18] ‹immortal_feud› oh? no not voting if you can vote is kina a tactic
[05:22:23] ‹immortal_feud› so*
[05:23:04] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› (6d10) 2 + 5 + 5 + 3 + 6 + 6 = 27 ...
[05:24:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. But did the game get updated yet?
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[05:25:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yeah it can be
[05:25:46] ‹Linkcat› I would recommend you vote for whoever you think is mafia.
[05:26:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Post of the day, for sure.
[05:26:08] ‹Linkcat› Especially if that happens to be the same person that I think is mafia.
[05:26:17] ‹Linkcat› Which I should probably figure out now.
[05:26:28] ‹Linkcat› But it's 5:30 AM and I want to sleep.
[05:11:39] ‹immortal_feud› someone help me
[05:11:47] ‹immortal_feud› whats the next deadlinefor mafia
[05:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Save this for bedtime reading.
[05:12:03] ‹Linkcat› About 30 hours.
[05:12:07] ‹Linkcat› It's on page 10.
[05:13:09] ‹immortal_feud› hmm
[05:13:20] ‹immortal_feud› w/o giving away my role
[05:13:27] ‹immortal_feud› which i also dont know
[05:13:40] ‹immortal_feud› what do i need to have done in 30 hrs time?
[05:15:06] ‹immortal_feud› it has been a busy week for me
[05:15:26] ‹immortal_feud› next week is also busy asf but then i canput more time into stuff
[05:17:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Decide if you want to vote for any of the people who are currently getting voted for
[05:17:25] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or you could also not vote and protect Graboid
[05:17:50] ‹immortal_feud› wait what role do people think i am?
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[05:21:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Afaik? They don
[05:21:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 't
[05:21:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But if you haven't voted, neither have 5 other people
[05:21:32] ‹immortal_feud› ok nice that makes all of us
[05:21:45] ‹immortal_feud› will sort it out tomorrow
[05:21:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If everyone votes, then everyone knows who the Graboid is because Graboid can't vote
[05:22:18] ‹immortal_feud› oh? no not voting if you can vote is kina a tactic
[05:22:23] ‹immortal_feud› so*
[05:23:04] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› (6d10) 2 + 5 + 5 + 3 + 6 + 6 = 27 ...
[05:24:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. But did the game get updated yet?
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[05:25:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yeah it can be
[05:25:46] ‹Linkcat› I would recommend you vote for whoever you think is mafia.
[05:26:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Post of the day, for sure.
[05:26:08] ‹Linkcat› Especially if that happens to be the same person that I think is mafia.
[05:26:17] ‹Linkcat› Which I should probably figure out now.
[05:26:28] ‹Linkcat› But it's 5:30 AM and I want to sleep.
Now that I've finally had a chance to take a closer look at the thread, we've reached that part of Day 1 where I stop voting randomly and find an actual scumread. There's more stuff worth responding to, but these are the most important. Here we go.
First off, the idea that "town agreed to not roleblock" is silly. A majority advised against it, a minority was in favor of it, but these are just individual opinions, not a democratic vote or a binding contract. Each player makes their own decisions about when and how to use their role.
Always lynch Day 1.
Espi bringing up /who is obviously just taking something meta that was not known to everyone and making it known to everyone. This is always good for the game and you can't really read him one way or the other for it.
I disagree that lynching one of Espi/MW will give us any information. Espi always does weird shit as town or mafia so lynching him won't give us anything useful. MW thought that something weird that Espi did was weird and got on his case. He seems pretty town to me, and lynching him will just confirm that he was a town that pushed on something weird. Not really valuable information. I don't see why dd even calls this a feud, since Espi hasn't even given a proper response to MW.
Shock is intentionally being even more inflammatory than normal, like with his obvious lie about being Flayer, and is probably town again. I would expect a different style of chaotic play from him as mafia.
Revealing when you're the leading lynch at EOD is almost always good if you have information to share.
I really don't like the way dd focused the thread on Espi/MW. Instead of putting down a vote like normal, he frames it as an option between two people, which makes it fairly likely that one of those two options will be lynched at the end of the day, especially when one of them is Espi, who has always been easy to lynch. As mafia, this is a great strategy for controlling the lynch and making sure it lands on a town, since it's easy for a mafia to get lynched on Day 1 with all the random votes. And since he's only doing this for "information", he won't even get a bad look for it. Right now this is where I want to lynch.
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.
Also, I caught a firefly.
Did you hurt it?
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 24, 2019, 02:40:26 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Now that I look at it, it does seem weird how dd emphasizes Espi and MW as the only options for lynching...
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2019, 03:04:34 pm
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.
The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for town, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.
Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.
Post by: moehrpi on May 24, 2019, 03:09:02 pm
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.
The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for mafia, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.
Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 03:53:28 pm
I had another thought. What would I do if I wanted to help protect the person I knew was golden nymph? Would I pretend to be golden nymph to make mafia waste precious resources on someone who might have the most useless role in the game? How would I get mafia to actually believe me and waste time killing me? How would I do all this without getting lynched, because then mafia wouldn't have to waste any resources on me?
Anyways, all just fun thought experiments. Was I planning to share this from the start? Uh, obviously not. I speed-built this post.
:water:aether
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2019, 04:57:20 pm
Also, 48 hours night phases is super lame.
Post by: RootRanger on May 24, 2019, 05:53:42 pm
Quote from: Espithel
Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.
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Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.
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The odds of you being GN are the same 1-in-19 as they are for anyone else.
The odds of MW being GN are a lot higher because he made a fairly bold claim of someone being scummy. It could be that this is just a decoy breadcrumb that he's putting too much effort into justifying, or he's reading too much into insignificant details, but otherwise it means he's GN and has found a mafia. I think that option is fairly plausible.
So, between you and MW (again, this is still a dichotomy I disagree with), I think you're the better lynch candidate.
Post by: RootRanger on May 24, 2019, 05:54:15 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 06:13:54 pm
Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.
Could you elaborate on this a bit? To me, kaempfer is acting like his normal self.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 24, 2019, 06:20:55 pm
Quote from: Linkcat
The odds of you being GN are the same 1-in-19 as they are for anyone else.
The odds of MW being GN are a lot higher because he made a fairly bold claim of someone being scummy.
That's not how probabilities work, Linkcat. If the odds of MW being GN are higher than 1/19, the the odds of everyone else being GN are lower than 1/19.
Linkcat is scum confirmed, trying to sway us by pulling numbers out of his ass.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 06:21:55 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
I change my vote due to Links experience, but Espi, dont think you are off yet.
I BEG that someone roleblock Espi. Please.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2019, 06:41:37 pm
Assuming every towny lynched people who deviate from the gameplan for reasons that are perfectly in line with their character (and thus more likely than not town if thats the only lead), mafia will never have to bother much with lynches and fit right in with no information gained for us during the day phase.
I will act not so rash in the future anymore and also try to refrain a bit more from discussion that doesnt help finding leads, even if it means having to accept that some of our allies either actively choose (for the fun factor or due to thinking they know better) to play suboptimally. After all it too seems that I aint quite got the hang of this.
So for now I will wait for more information to make a move. Which ironically means my vote on mw remains for a while even though I admitted its likely a mistake :P
As for why I quite strongly believe espi to be town or at least mws claim to be completely baseless, even though he clearly feels strongly about it: Similiar to DC and somewhat shock (although espi does strike me as better mafia player than either) simply has an irritating personality that most of us got used to, but mw clearly hasnt. Everything espi said (even if some of it is controversial) seems perfectly sound from townperspective to me and he definitely helps furthering discussion (towns primary weapon!) and he has experience (at least by virtue of sheer number of games played). If he is town, which -statistically speaking- he is, I would not want to lose him.
And yh, I too am curious about dd feeling so strongly about mw vs espi, as it seems to completely hinge on him believing mw to either be gn or mafia. Otherwise we gain no info whatsoever from espi flipping sth and as other people pointed out even if espi flips mafia it doesnt really tell much.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 07:11:35 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
You have defended Espi as town more than anyone else. Everyone else just thinks if Espi is mafia, lynching him gains no info. I agree kinda. But you seem to have so much confidence that he is. With PM's banned and so little info, how are you so sure? I can see what Linkcat is saying now.
My hypothesis? You are mafia and you are defending another mafia. Other than that, you have role checked him and found he has an important role. If it's the latter, than i will change my vote again.
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2019, 07:48:56 pm
You have defended Espi as town more than anyone else.
I believe kaempfer defended Espithel because as he said, the accusations appear to be baseless. I believe the same thing, You are probably giving too much thought to little things, because hardly any discussion occurred before you wanted that lynch.
Everyone else just thinks if Espi is mafia
I hardly believe everyone else thinks Espithel is mafia.
lynching him gains no info. I agree kinda.
I agree on this, unless Espithel is mafia, lynching him still leaves a big question mark on top of your head. The same can be said about lynching you.
But you seem to have so much confidence that he is. With PM's banned and so little info, how are you so sure?
Now you are contradicting yourself, one second ago kaempfer was defending Espithel, now he believe he's mafia?
I can see what Linkcat is saying now.
I don't really get what part of Linkcat's post you are referring to.
Also, I agree with the fact that ddevans appears to be pushing a lynch between you two too hard, so I'm moving my vote accordingly.
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 07:56:02 pm
I'll attempt to make sense of your post, because I'm having a hard time really.You have defended Espi as town more than anyone else.
I believe kaempfer defended Espithel because as he said, the accusations appear to be baseless. I believe the same thing, You are probably giving too much thought to little things, because hardly any discussion occurred before you wanted that lynch.Everyone else just thinks if Espi is mafia
I hardly believe everyone else thinks Espithel is mafia.
This was totally taken out of context wtflynching him gains no info. I agree kinda.
I agree on this, unless Espithel is mafia, lynching him still leaves a big question mark on top of your head. The same can be said about lynching you.But you seem to have so much confidence that he is. With PM's banned and so little info, how are you so sure?
Now you are contradicting yourself, one second ago kaempfer was defending Espithel, now he believe he's mafia?
Um, wat? This what hes doing as a mafia, Of course hes going to defend him as a town if they are both mafia. I reread my post and its written correctly.I can see what Linkcat is saying now.
I don't really get what part of Linkcat's post you are referring to.
About kaempfer acting strange.
Also, I agree with the fact that ddevans appears to be pushing a lynch between you two too hard, so I'm moving my vote accordingly.
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
(My color for text means nothing. Pink just stands out and is fairly neutral)
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 08:03:07 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
I'm not persuaded he's scum, but he's a much better lynch than everyone else here. This vote is subject to change depending on how evans responds. I don't like lynching people who start the conversation on a day - that's not something you want to punish - but it is the best option of the group.
My hypothesis? You [Kaempf] are mafia and you are defending another mafia [Espithel]. Other than that, you have role checked him and found he has an important role. If it's the latter, than i will change my vote again.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 24, 2019, 08:03:51 pm
The reason why lynching 'bad' town is bad is that when people play badly it sparks conversation. It sparks drama. Drama makes people make mistakes in their game. I kinda love the way shock and espi play.
(not related to the game, i really like the makeup of this mafia. we have new players, experienced players, logical ones, chaotic ones. People thinking differently to you is always a good thing. Sparks conversation.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 08:06:11 pm
A chat log. Calindu did a derp.
[20:50:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Posted like a peacock.
[20:56:59] ‹Espithel› You missed an important "if" there, Cal.
[20:57:34] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Where exactly?
[20:57:41] ‹Calindu› I might have worded it poorly
[20:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[20:58:15] ‹MasterWalks› I colored it red
[20:58:29] ‹Calindu› I swear it didn't have if when I first read it
[20:58:56] ‹Calindu› There's no way I missed that, because that's what prompted me to post too
[20:59:01] ‹vagman13› when in doubt,always lynch ian :whistling:
[20:59:04] ‹MasterWalks› I didnt edit it lol
[20:59:10] ‹Calindu› Ah, I'm just blind
[20:59:19] ‹Calindu› I even have it in my post
[20:59:21] ‹PlayerOa› Hey all
[20:59:26] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that could've been structured better on walks end. His argument is essentially "People think I'm townish, and Kaempf is defending me well and beyond what is necessary."
[20:59:48] ‹Espithel› Do correct me if I'm wrong, Walks. Misrepresentation is a crime.
[21:00:26] ‹Calindu› Hey Oa
[21:01:05] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I believe with the if there it makes more sense, but all my other points still stand
[21:01:06] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› probably could be structured better but what am i misrepresenting?
[21:01:42] ‹Espithel› You're not misrepresenting anything. I'm telling you to correct me if I just misrepresented you.
[21:02:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› Oh yea you are correct
[20:56:59] ‹Espithel› You missed an important "if" there, Cal.
[20:57:34] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Where exactly?
[20:57:41] ‹Calindu› I might have worded it poorly
[20:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[20:58:15] ‹MasterWalks› I colored it red
[20:58:29] ‹Calindu› I swear it didn't have if when I first read it
[20:58:56] ‹Calindu› There's no way I missed that, because that's what prompted me to post too
[20:59:01] ‹vagman13› when in doubt,always lynch ian :whistling:
[20:59:04] ‹MasterWalks› I didnt edit it lol
[20:59:10] ‹Calindu› Ah, I'm just blind
[20:59:19] ‹Calindu› I even have it in my post
[20:59:21] ‹PlayerOa› Hey all
[20:59:26] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that could've been structured better on walks end. His argument is essentially "People think I'm townish, and Kaempf is defending me well and beyond what is necessary."
[20:59:48] ‹Espithel› Do correct me if I'm wrong, Walks. Misrepresentation is a crime.
[21:00:26] ‹Calindu› Hey Oa
[21:01:05] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I believe with the if there it makes more sense, but all my other points still stand
[21:01:06] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› probably could be structured better but what am i misrepresenting?
[21:01:42] ‹Espithel› You're not misrepresenting anything. I'm telling you to correct me if I just misrepresented you.
[21:02:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› Oh yea you are correct
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 24, 2019, 08:12:15 pm
Right now votes are relatively evenly split, so if we were all to gang up on one person, the exact scenario i described above as to why my initial tactic was wrong occurs and we dont learn anything. We need to make sure someone does get lynched, but we shouldnt pin one person from the start, otherwise we just lynch a towny (most of the time) without mafia revealing anything. So expect me to move my vote towards the end of the day, just not now.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 09:33:24 pm
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Two mafia in this group of voters.
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ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Two mafia in this group of voters.
Proper post later, I have housework to take care of.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 09:44:34 pm
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Removed Calindu appearing twice.
I'll take the blame for that.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 10:08:05 pm
Also, I agree with the fact that ddevans appears to be pushing a lynch between you two too hard, so I'm moving my vote accordingly.
I backed away from the stance that we should lynch either Espi/MW, preferring MW, and moved my stance to 'anyone but shock' - I felt that it should have been obvious, at that point, that my initial pressure on those two was left at that.
So this is 1) incorrect and 2) curiously, was not an opinion you had voiced earlier - it was kinda just tacked on to this post about MW well after after Link made his post about me.
If you were town, a possible explanation would be that you wouldn't feel comfortable voicing that opinion until someone else did, which is fair. But that would also show blind faith in Link.
If you were mafia, maybe it could be this scenario - one of the early lynch wagons was one of your mates. Then, a wagon developed on me. It would, of course, make sense for some number of mafia to join that wagon.
And yh, I too am curious about dd feeling so strongly about mw vs espi, as it seems to completely hinge on him believing mw to either be gn or mafia. Otherwise we gain no info whatsoever from espi flipping sth and as other people pointed out even if espi flips mafia it doesnt really tell much.
I have voiced that I didn't believe either Espi or MW to be mafia - I have also voiced that I don't believe MW to be GN.
And personally, I find a lot of intel in voting patterns, interactions, etc. If I'm lynched and flip town, does that not change the perspective of all my interactions with Espi and MW? The perspective of Link's post regarding me? My questioning of shock? What if I lynch mafia? All of that changes when someone is lynched - that's how you gain intel. And looking at people changing their votes, moving at specific times of the round, moving after a 'trigger' post, that's all intel too. It's usually not much early, but it all stacks up over the course of the game.
I personally find the interactions between Espi and MW extremely notable - it was the first thing to happen in the game, and it immediately struck me as weird, in some way. The move I was comfortable with, most in line with my general playstyle, was to pressure it. I created an interaction triangle you can read from for the whole game.
I hope this explains more about why I believe so strongly in the power of the lynch.
Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.
It might be odd for me to state this clearly, but I think it's the correct play.
I noticed something in my interactions with shock that makes me want to not lynch him this round. I will say no more. It is not in the benefit of town for me to provide details.
Now that I look at it, it does seem weird how dd emphasizes Espi and MW as the only options for lynching...
As above, the point was to provide pressure on multiple people - which I succeeded in doing - and I have since moved to expressing a different stance.
This is even more notable to me - I put the most value in a bandwagon on the second vote. One vote can be a throwaway, a lone ranger, a controversial opinion people aren't ready to bite yet, etc. Two votes means something. This was the second vote on me - and it was based on a false statement, with no deeper reasoning.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 10:08:21 pm
If there is any additional information in the chatlogs, please post them, because I couldn't bother reading through such an amount of text (I read the entire topic, however). I will hold my vote back in the meantime to cover burrowed players, which I think is a good idea. I am overall leaning to kill either Espi or MW though.
This was the conclusion of the last post before Link's, a post entirely about Espi and MW.
If you haven't been swayed by Link - vote for MW (or dawn/jcj if you desire), and I'll join you. For now, my vote is symbolically on my biggest mafia read, per shock's request:
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Responding to Link's post later tonight.
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 10:34:44 pm
I backed away from the stance that we should lynch either Espi/MW, preferring MW, and moved my stance to 'anyone but shock' - I felt that it should have been obvious, at that point, that my initial pressure on those two was left at that.
So this is 1) incorrect and 2) curiously, was not an opinion you [Calindu] had voiced earlier - it was kinda just tacked on to this post about MW well after after Link made his post about me.
If you were town, a possible explanation would be that you wouldn't feel comfortable voicing that opinion until someone else did, which is fair. But that would also show blind faith in Link.
There's some stuff to unpack here. One thing I don't understand, evans, is:
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"I backed away from the stance that we should lynch either Espi/MW, preferring MW, and moved my stance to 'anyone but shock' - I felt that it should have been obvious, at that point, that my initial pressure on those two was left at that."In contrast to:
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"If you haven't been swayed by Link - vote for MW (or dawn/jcj if you desire), and I'll join you. For now, my vote is symbolically on my biggest mafia read, per shock's request:"
You have moved your stance to anyone but shock, and it was negligent of people to assume that you were pushing for this when you've stated you haven't.
Yet, you want to move your vote to a choice of MW, Dawn, or JCJ. There are many other non-shock targets, such as Weeb, yet you came back to these three.
Is there any particular reason you want MW, Dawn, or JCJ lynched over any other non-shock target?
Do you want to Lynch MW, Dawn, or JCJ over lynching Weeb? If so, why?
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 10:36:41 pm
You have moved your stance to anyone but shock, and it was negligent of people to assume that you were pushing for this when you've stated
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 10:45:11 pm
You have moved your stance to anyone but shock, and it was negligent of people to assume that you were pushing for this when you've stated you haven't.
Yet, you want to move your vote to a choice of MW, Dawn, or JCJ. There are many other non-shock targets, such as Weeb, yet you came back to these three.
Is there any particular reason you want MW, Dawn, or JCJ lynched over any other non-shock target?
Do you want to Lynch MW, Dawn, or JCJ over lynching Weeb? If so, why?
I know I am town. I am the only person I know is town. Therefore, from my perspective, it is in town's best interest for me to live. And this is true with every town player.
The best way for me to stay alive, currently, is to stack my vote with Ginyu's onto one of the three people who currently have 2 votes, and put them to 4 - the same as my total. The goal isn't to force a tie, I don't want that, I maintain that doesn't help us, and there's still plenty of time left for things to develop and break the tie. But it prevents the lynch from running away, and making (what I know is) the wrong decision without pushback.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 24, 2019, 10:50:24 pm
I have voiced that I didn't believe either Espi or MW to be mafia - I have also voiced that I don't believe MW to be GN.
If you haven't been swayed by Link - vote for MW (or dawn/jcj if you desire), and I'll join you. For now, my vote is symbolically on my biggest mafia read, per shock's request:
So you believe I may be mafia now? Or are you trying to do an information lynch? Or am I missing something?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 10:58:44 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 24, 2019, 10:59:35 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
I'll remove my vote for now to prevent a runaway. Discussion is always good, but we need to reach a consensus shortly. The day's starting to end.
Personally, I'd take the opposite stance regarding survival - it's better to just keel over and die instead of trying to self-preserve, because it removes the ability for mafia to use self-preservation as a defence. That only works if every other town follows suit, though, which... Yeah, no.
You didn't answer the second part of my question, though: Would you prefer to lynch JCJ, Dawn, or MW over Weeb?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 11:09:36 pm
Personally, I'd take the opposite stance regarding survival - it's better to just keel over and die instead of trying to self-preserve, because it removes the ability for mafia to use self-preservation as a defence. That only works if every other town follows suit, though, which... Yeah, no.
Every player should always self-defend, unless they gain something substantial from death. Otherwise discussion is throttled, and most lynches would just be one of the early wagons. It's very easy for mafia to manipulate that kind of passive town play.
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You didn't answer the second part of my question, though: Would you prefer to lynch JCJ, Dawn, or MW over Weeb?
If I could convince everyone that we should make a specific lynch this round, I would pick IW.
Post by: Calindu on May 24, 2019, 11:41:57 pm
Also, I agree with the fact that ddevans appears to be pushing a lynch between you two too hard, so I'm moving my vote accordingly.
I backed away from the stance that we should lynch either Espi/MW, preferring MW, and moved my stance to 'anyone but shock' - I felt that it should have been obvious, at that point, that my initial pressure on those two was left at that.
So this is 1) incorrect and 2) curiously, was not an opinion you had voiced earlier - it was kinda just tacked on to this post about MW well after after Link made his post about me.
If you were town, a possible explanation would be that you wouldn't feel comfortable voicing that opinion until someone else did, which is fair. But that would also show blind faith in Link.
It's just something that didn't cross my mind until it was posted by Linkcat, and I also had to think about it. I attached it at the end of the post because I didn't find any reason to create another one.
If you were mafia, maybe it could be this scenario - one of the early lynch wagons was one of your mates. Then, a wagon developed on me. It would, of course, make sense for some number of mafia to join that wagon.
There were 3 other places I could place a third vote on when I moved my vote from shock to you, and there were plenty of opportunities before that to wagon on someone else. Yet, I only joined this one.
Post by: shockcannon on May 24, 2019, 11:48:01 pm
@MasterWalks There's a potential chance you also can crack this, but I also don't believe you are mafia.
A long time ago there was a little mix up and error made when you attempted to give me weekly tournament winner codes. I want you to try and think of the reason why this mistake occurred. Simplify the cause of this error to a single word that makes the most sense if you could only use one word. That word should loosely be able to connect to one of the 12 elements. If you think it connects to multiple pick the more appropriate one.
If you think you know the answer, post that element icon along with 2 other random element icons (if previously you thought there were two possible elements that could relate to the word, do NOT include the weaker connected element in your 3 element icon answer).
If you answer this correctly I'm going to use that word as a key for a cipher in which I share some info with you.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 24, 2019, 11:51:08 pm
There were 3 other places I could place a third vote on when I moved my vote from shock to you, and there were plenty of opportunities before that to wagon on someone else. Yet, I only joined this one.
Yep - MW, who had an established wagon you could have joined at any time, and dawn/JCJ, who had pretty much no serious threat to them - the people voting them hadn't voiced any major reasoning or push, and there were other targets being more heavily discussed.
Truth be told, the timing of second vote vs third vote in this context doesn't really matter all that much - a little bit, but the nature of the votes is the main distinguishing factor between you and IW that makes me more suspicious of him.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 12:22:17 am
Quote from: LinkcatThe odds of you being GN are the same 1-in-19 as they are for anyone else.
The odds of MW being GN are a lot higher because he made a fairly bold claim of someone being scummy.
That's not how probabilities work, Linkcat. If the odds of MW being GN are higher than 1/19, the the odds of everyone else being GN are lower than 1/19.
Linkcat is scum confirmed, trying to sway us by pulling numbers out of his ass.
Wtf? I never even said this, Root said this in his failed quote. If this is a joke, I don't really get it.
I find it strange that Root actually believes MW has a higher chance of being GN. There's no way MW is GN.
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
I change my vote due to Links experience, but Espi, dont think you are off yet.
I BEG that someone roleblock Espi. Please.
If you change your vote just because someone has experience, you're going to have a bad time. What if I'm mafia? You just gave me a free vote. Vote for whoever you think is mafia, but try to have good reasons and not vote on someone silly just for being silly. Espi posted that picture of a tunnel because that's what you're doing. You have to constantly reevaluate.
It is true that in games that I am confident in my skills at, I usually have a lot more laidback playstyle. TBH I've come to realize that lynching people on the base of their actions not helping town, when the reason seems to be incompetence or a plain missunderstanding is actually a mistake. The actual reason for that was not immediately intuitive to me though and I only realized today why not only the people I am directly targeting but also people who are definitely more experienced than me disagreed with me.
Assuming every towny lynched people who deviate from the gameplan for reasons that are perfectly in line with their character (and thus more likely than not town if thats the only lead), mafia will never have to bother much with lynches and fit right in with no information gained for us during the day phase.
I will act not so rash in the future anymore and also try to refrain a bit more from discussion that doesnt help finding leads, even if it means having to accept that some of our allies either actively choose (for the fun factor or due to thinking they know better) to play suboptimally. After all it too seems that I aint quite got the hang of this.
So for now I will wait for more information to make a move. Which ironically means my vote on mw remains for a while even though I admitted its likely a mistake :P
As for why I quite strongly believe espi to be town or at least mws claim to be completely baseless, even though he clearly feels strongly about it: Similiar to DC and somewhat shock (although espi does strike me as better mafia player than either) simply has an irritating personality that most of us got used to, but mw clearly hasnt. Everything espi said (even if some of it is controversial) seems perfectly sound from townperspective to me and he definitely helps furthering discussion (towns primary weapon!) and he has experience (at least by virtue of sheer number of games played). If he is town, which -statistically speaking- he is, I would not want to lose him.
And yh, I too am curious about dd feeling so strongly about mw vs espi, as it seems to completely hinge on him believing mw to either be gn or mafia. Otherwise we gain no info whatsoever from espi flipping sth and as other people pointed out even if espi flips mafia it doesnt really tell much.
This is a great post, but it looks like you just asked your mafia team what you were doing wrong and came back with this. You're reacting pretty strongly against some light shade.
I'm still on MW. Sadly not had time to fully keep up but every time he talks i want him dead. *shrug*
The reason why lynching 'bad' town is bad is that when people play badly it sparks conversation. It sparks drama. Drama makes people make mistakes in their game. I kinda love the way shock and espi play.
(not related to the game, i really like the makeup of this mafia. we have new players, experienced players, logical ones, chaotic ones. People thinking differently to you is always a good thing. Sparks conversation.
JCJ stop, the first and second parts of your post directly contradict each other. MW is town. I agree that the makeup of this mafia is great.
I can't help but notice how much of what I've said has been misconstrued.Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Two mafia in this group of voters.Quoteddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Two mafia in this group of voters.
Proper post later, I have housework to take care of.
Considering that the first group contains 10 of 19 players and there's 4 mafia, I agree that there's probably two mafia there. Considering that the second group includes me, there's a pretty low chance that 2/3 of the others are mafia. I also think there's a good chance that a mafia hasn't voted yet.
Now that I look at it, it does seem weird how dd emphasizes Espi and MW as the only options for lynching...
As above, the point was to provide pressure on multiple people - which I succeeded in doing - and I have since moved to expressing a different stance.
This is even more notable to me - I put the most value in a bandwagon on the second vote. One vote can be a throwaway, a lone ranger, a controversial opinion people aren't ready to bite yet, etc. Two votes means something. This was the second vote on me - and it was based on a false statement, with no deeper reasoning.
Disagree, two votes mean nothing, as we can see with dawn and JCJ. The third vote is the one that turns it into something real.
It looks to me like you've only been going after easy lynch targets this game, with weak, if any, actual scumreads.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 12:39:08 am
I disagree that lynching one of Espi/MW will give us any information. Espi always does weird shit as town or mafia so lynching him won't give us anything useful. MW thought that something weird that Espi did was weird and got on his case. He seems pretty town to me, and lynching him will just confirm that he was a town that pushed on something weird. Not really valuable information.
You don't find analyzing voting patterns and interactions useful? I know you definitely understand the power of the lynch, and the way little pieces of information stack over the whole game.
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I don't see why dd even calls this a feud, since Espi hasn't even given a proper response to MW.
Feud is a loose term - I forget I haven't used it in these forums the way I do in real life. What I mean is that we shouldn't really be trusting either of them right now - even less so than we should generally be trusting each other.
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I really don't like the way dd focused the thread on Espi/MW. Instead of putting down a vote like normal, he frames it as an option between two people, which makes it fairly likely that one of those two options will be lynched at the end of the day, especially when one of them is Espi, who has always been easy to lynch. As mafia, this is a great strategy for controlling the lynch and making sure it lands on a town, since it's easy for a mafia to get lynched on Day 1 with all the random votes. And since he's only doing this for "information", he won't even get a bad look for it.
I actually find it rare and surprising when a forked push on day 1, with no actual information, will result in one of the two getting lynched. In fact, even here, it's looking like a strong possibility that such a situation will not be the case.
Also - Espi being 'weird' and 'easy to lynch' is a really interesting statement that keeps getting repeated. I consider him one of the stronger players here, he just doesn't play 'by the book' - neither do myself or shock, just in different ways - and most of the newer players wouldn't know him as a bit of an oddball. Pushing a lynch from that angle just because of past games doesn't make sense - and even if it did, I make a point to isolate games from each other as much as possible, that wouldn't be like me.
And random/arbitrary votes make it harder for a mafia to be lynched on day 1, compared to if we get a lead from an ability or a ton of discussion leading to scumtells. Why would I provoke so much discussion on day 1 if I was mafia?
Considering that the first group contains 10 of 19 players and there's 4 mafia, I agree that there's probably two mafia there. Considering that the second group includes me, there's a pretty low chance that 2/3 of the others are mafia. I also think there's a good chance that a mafia hasn't voted yet.
I think there's a pretty decent chance. This wagon came out of nowhere, led by an experienced player with holes all over his analysis, with the next two people following with bare minimum input of their own. That whole situation is suspicious. Even if it's not two, it's absolutely one.
Disagree, two votes mean nothing, as we can see with dawn and JCJ. The third vote is the one that turns it into something real.
Two votes can mean a lot depending on context. It means more for my votes, which were initiated by your very strong push, than with dawn and JCJ, who had minimal argument against them, and were not in real danger of being lynched even before the votes on me.
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It looks to me like you've only been going after easy lynch targets this game, with weak, if any, actual scumreads.
I've already stated why I don't have strong scumreads on day 1. Relying on instinct is a high risk play, and I don't enjoy taking risks in the early game.
Furthermore, I have not 'gone after' a lynch target - you are again ignoring that I have always found value in applying pressure in the early game, regardless of whether I desire the lynch or not, and I have since made clear that I don't have a strong stance towards any one lynch target.
Additionally, you use 'targets', plural - the only person I actually advocated for a lynch for has been Espi.
Think for a minute. You know that none of this really adds up to me being mafia. It's not in line with any playstyle I've adopted, it's not in line with typical early-game mafia play, and most of it's based on inaccurate and subjective claims. You are not showing your strongest deductive town play.
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Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.
Would you be interested in elaborating on these?
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Also, I caught a firefly.
Did you hurt it?
Of course not, I love her. I will call her Faye.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 01:25:28 am
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Okay I going to lay back now. Ill stick with my original scum read and wait until I'm out of this tunnel.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 01:35:23 am
My priority is now survival - see my response to Espi. Information is the secondary goal.
Okay so you have a million responses to him but i took a look at the one i assumed was the right one. If we are going to honest with ourselves, "survival first information second" is a "me game". Me survive first, town get information second.
[18:04:46] ‹ddevans96› it's not a 'me' game, that's the thing
So we got contradictions once again.
I dont blame you for defending against a lynch, but helping town should ALWAYS be priority, It has been for me. Right now, you surviving is not helping town, or at least you havent made a point in how it is. So far, you have said "I know i am town". I bet a mafia would say the exact same thing. Really, to me, thats your only excuse. Other than that your defense has been picking posts apart sentence by sentence and explaining yourself. I still am not seeing how that helps town. Your posts are long so it may be that i have missed something you said, but as of now, you are playing a me game.
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 01:37:42 am
[01:39:26] ‹ddevans96› ‹@MasterWalks› lol, LongDono showed up?
[01:39:31] ‹ddevans96› haven't seen him in some time
[01:40:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Between love and madness lies this post.
[01:42:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› how do i even keep missing feud
[01:44:55] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 6 + 7 + 3 + 7 + 9 = 32 ...!
[01:46:01] ‹shockcannon› lol
[01:46:08] ‹shockcannon› moderator needs to nerf me
[01:46:27] ‹shockcannon› changes rules after the fact also
[01:46:34] ‹Espithel› You need a buff lmao
[01:50:21] ‹shockcannon› the only buff i need is town confidence in me
[01:50:24] ‹shockcannon› i already found a mafia
[01:51:56] ‹Espithel› That's a buff, master.
[01:52:01] ‹Espithel› You need it.
[01:53:03] ‹ddevans96› generally, when you're very sure you've found a mafia, you want to be vocal about who it is :)
[01:53:13] ‹ddevans96› (unless you have a reason to stay lowkey)
[01:57:37] ‹shockcannon› generally, I never do what people want me to do
[01:57:40] ‹shockcannon› that's step 1 to me losing
[02:01:37] ‹Espithel› I want you to be useless, Shock.
[02:04:46] ‹ddevans96› it's not a 'me' game, that's the thing
[02:05:31] ‹MasterWalks› Linkcat you said you forgot to ban codes and ciphers this whole time in your moderator comment. Did you add them or are they ok? I personally dont know any codes besides "snaps" which wouldnt work here, just a question.
[02:05:34] ‹immortal_feud› oh what the, i thought all my matches were good for 50% rule
[02:06:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 2 + 3 + 5 + 1 + 7 = 18 ...
[02:07:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@immortal_feud› Youre matches were good, but if your opponent didnt pass their 50% rule, their game gets deleted, hence you being voided of a game. Personally, i was wary of this rule, and had to double check to make sure thats how its done.
[02:07:27] ‹MasterWalks› That would be a good one for a suggested change if you feel it needs it.
[02:07:33] ‹immortal_feud› yeah i thought i was checking all my opponents too
[02:08:09] ‹MasterWalks› it was either LongDono or Jen-i. If you want, i can figure out which one it was exactly if you dont remember
[02:08:10] ‹immortal_feud› was what happened was my opponent got some win removed so they were lower elo when i beat them or something?
[02:08:16] ‹Espithel› Hang on, this is a problem
[02:08:26] ‹Espithel› What if the cipher's so well hidden you can't see it
[02:08:32] ‹immortal_feud› i dont think i player either of them tho
[02:08:43] ‹immortal_feud› player played dongo
[02:08:48] ‹immortal_feud› and idk who played jen
[02:17:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@immortal_feud› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› A match was made
[02:17:56] ‹immortal_feud› huh?
[02:18:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ?
[02:21:31] ‹MasterWalks› you said you were looking for him
Chatlog for context.
I have DnD to play. I'll be back later.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 01:52:10 am
I still think my push was good, but you had a strong defense so I'm putting you back to neutral for now. I agree that your play this game does not match what I've seen you do as mafia before. However, a lot can change in two years, so I'm undecided on this point. I could push harder but I have a feeling it would just be a repeat of 62, where I lynched rob Day 1 and we were both town.
Your Insig read is still bad, his post is totally in line with what I would expect from him as either alignment. How do you feel about a kaempfer lynch?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 03:47:56 am
Syke! More tunnel for a sec.My priority is now survival - see my response to Espi. Information is the secondary goal.
Okay so you have a million responses to him but i took a look at the one i assumed was the right one. If we are going to honest with ourselves, "survival first information second" is a "me game". Me survive first, town get information second.
[18:04:46] ‹ddevans96› it's not a 'me' game, that's the thing
So we got contradictions once again.
No, there are no contradictions here.
I reiterate: As town, you only have some universal truths at the start of the game. A town knows they are town, and a town player does not know that any other player is town. As such, there is zero chance a mafia is lynched if they are lynched, and there is some chance a mafia gets lynched if someone else is lynched.
This is not a 'me' thing. This is one of the fundamentals of mafia. It is a vastly different thing than potentially withholding and being vague with information (which, to be clear, can also have merit for town to do in certain circumstances - but it is not universal).
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I dont blame you for defending against a lynch, but helping town should ALWAYS be priority, It has been for me. Right now, you surviving is not helping town, or at least you havent made a point in how it is. So far, you have said "I know i am town". I bet a mafia would say the exact same thing. Really, to me, thats your only excuse. Other than that your defense has been picking posts apart sentence by sentence and explaining yourself. I still am not seeing how that helps town. Your posts are long so it may be that i have missed something you said, but as of now, you are playing a me game.
Correct, a good mafia should also be making this defense. It ultimately does nothing to move the needle in my favor - it is the correct play for either side.
As for helping town, I believe I've asked some pertinent questions, and I feel that I've done a good job breaking down relevant posts this game. And while some of my defenses have little substance on their own, dissecting posts means more things for other people to respond to, which provokes discussions - that's why I defend myself in that manner.
The nature of mafia is such that scumreads get stronger as the game goes on. When anyone dies, you should be looking at what they said, who they responded to, who mentioned them, who voted for them, who they voted for...mafia's a big puzzle, you don't solve anything on day one. As such, I like to cast a wide net, prodding people for potential scumtells, publicly analyzing as much as I can - eventually, things will be revealed as relevant.
I hope this gives some clarifications on my general playstyle, and how I attempt to use it to town's benefit.
Ah, there's nothing quite like picking fights with good players. I've missed this. I would respond to your individual statements, but I have a life so I'll just give a general response.
I still think my push was good, but you had a strong defense so I'm putting you back to neutral for now. I agree that your play this game does not match what I've seen you do as mafia before. However, a lot can change in two years, so I'm undecided on this point. I could push harder but I have a feeling it would just be a repeat of 62, where I lynched rob Day 1 and we were both town.
Your Insig read is still bad, his post is totally in line with what I would expect from him as either alignment. How do you feel about a kaempfer lynch?
It's true that a lot can change in two years - there is only so much value in looking at games from that long ago.
I have no strong feelings either way about lynching kaempfer.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 04:25:59 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:19:35 am
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 06:12:41 am
Will post once it's over, but that could take some time.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 06:58:16 am
[22:20:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's not a mystery.
[22:20:17] ‹ddevans96› ^ good and useful post in the social deduction game 'mafia' btw
[22:21:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yes
[22:21:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia
[22:21:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's what the post is about
[22:21:33] ‹ddevans96› it is technically about mafia
[22:21:37] ‹ddevans96› just not our mafia :P
[22:22:16] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Ok, role reveal time.
[22:22:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I'm the Butler.
[22:22:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm the maid
[22:22:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[22:22:50] ‹Espithel› I'm Colonel Mustard
[22:23:38] ‹Linkcat› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› Who is mafia?
[22:23:40] ‹ddevans96› in the billard room with the candlestick
[22:23:58] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› Same question to you.
[22:25:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› if the joke answer doesn't make it clear - I don't really have a read on you at present
[22:25:37] ‹ddevans96› just not enough to go on
[22:26:04] ‹Linkcat› Well it's good you cleared that up, cause I thought you had a read and just didn't want to say it for some reason.
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[22:26:55] ‹ddevans96› your behavior this game has literally just been 'I'll get to mafia when I wake up' and 'let's lynch dd'
[22:27:03] ‹ddevans96› just nothing for me to work with right now
[22:27:10] ‹ddevans96› will make sense one way or the other later, I'm sure
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[22:27:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› (6d10) 7 + 8 + 10 + 7 + 3 + 10 = 45 ...!
[22:27:55] ‹Linkcat› (6d10) 8 + 9 + 8 + 5 + 9 + 4 = 43 ...
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[22:28:02] ‹ddevans96› (5d6) 6 + 4 + 3 + 5 + 1 = 19 ...!
[22:28:24] ‹Linkcat› We should really get our lynch sorted out soon.
[22:29:10] ‹ddevans96› yes
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[22:31:15] ‹ddevans96› what're you thinking atm?
[22:31:51] ‹Linkcat› I'm pretty open right now.
[22:32:17] ‹Linkcat› More people need to be pushing lynches.
[22:32:35] ‹ddevans96› hm
[22:32:51] ‹Linkcat› All the votes are spread out and some quiet people haven't even voted.
[22:34:45] ‹Linkcat› Like Coffee. He was just here but has barely talked. It's like all the votes are on town so he doesn't even care who gets lynched.
[22:35:31] ‹Linkcat› I know dawn wants to cover for Graboid but it's more valuable to have a proactive vote.
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[22:38:49] ‹Espithel› Hey.
[22:38:59] ‹Espithel› Can we ask about the nightkill and why it didn't happen?
[22:40:34] ‹Linkcat› Yeah, it's pretty weird that nobody talked about it.
[22:41:16] ‹Linkcat› I mean, either mafia hit a Seraph/Graboid or Angel got the mindgate.
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[22:42:11] ‹Espithel› Yeah. Do you think the lack of nightkill could have any relation to our lynch?
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[22:42:32] ‹Espithel› ...Actually, no. That'd require the doctor coming out.
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[22:42:59] ‹Espithel› My scumreads right now is simply that Walks is, well. *Definitely* town.
[22:43:29] ‹Espithel› I'm very, very disappointed with Root's argument for lynching me between the two - I am more likely than Walks to be the nymph.
[22:43:43] ‹Espithel› Him being that... Wrong? Is uncharacteristic.
[22:43:54] ‹Espithel› But I feel we can give that the benefit of the doubt.
[22:44:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Linkcat› Tbh I have no idea who to vote for
[22:44:59] ‹ddevans96› Link also said he gets weird vibes from Root, to be fair
[22:45:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The main thing that Root has done in 2 games was die after claiming Phoenix
[22:45:27] ‹ddevans96› I kinda agree, actually, based on his response to my question earlier
[22:45:30] ‹ddevans96› but hard to be sure
[22:45:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› He could potentially just be rusty
[22:45:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› (Hi Root if you read this in the thread)
[22:45:48] ‹ddevans96› maybe, yeah
[22:45:58] ‹Espithel› I feel that, if one of Kae and Calindu are mafia, they will *both* be mafia, but I'm not sure that either is. I think Calindu is town...ish?
[22:46:16] ‹Espithel› Kae is neutral.
[22:46:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Who can we vote for, where if they flip town, we get the most information?>
[22:46:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Obviously some people if they flip mafia will give a fair amount, MW, dd
[22:46:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'd argue less with Espithel, though enough people are going after him that it does give some
[22:46:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some information*
[22:47:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But that's assuming they're mafia
[22:47:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If they're civ, how much info do we really get
[22:47:39] ‹Espithel› You should lynch who you think is mafia, not who you think is town.
[22:47:54] ‹Espithel› The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.
[22:47:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean obviously
[22:48:16] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96› Who hasn't posted at all? Maybe we could lynch a lurker.
[22:48:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› First lynches are very very rarely mafia though
[22:48:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Lynch who you think is mafia" "Oh btw lynch the afk dude"
[22:48:45] ‹Espithel› Or, not posted. Not voted, I meant.
[22:48:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :^)
[22:49:00] ‹Linkcat› dawn hasn't voted
[22:49:05] ‹Linkcat› Let's lynch him.
[22:49:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I have posted though
[22:49:10] ‹ddevans96› inactivity lynch? maybe
[22:49:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :(
[22:49:17] ‹Espithel› It's very likely that one of the mafia hasn't voted. That list might be as small as the list of four that voted on Evans.
[22:49:22] ‹Espithel› Not meant to be an inactivity lynch
[22:49:32] ‹Linkcat› With 20 pages I don't think an inactivity lynch is correct.
[22:50:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Immortal Feud and Mathman would be the ones to look at
[22:50:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› For inactivity
[22:50:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I think it's likely that exactly one mafia hasn't voted
[22:51:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Oh I misread that as unlikely
[22:51:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› My point stands though
[22:51:57] ‹Espithel› Yeah. Those would be my suggestions.
[22:52:17] ‹Espithel› 1) Lynch Kae or Cal. If one flips mafia, lynch the other. If one flips town, the other one is likely town.
[22:52:32] ‹Espithel› 2) Lynch someone who voted on Evans.
[22:52:43] ‹Espithel› 3) Lynch someone who hasn't voted - Ginyu, Immortal, Mathman.
[22:52:56] ‹Espithel› And also dawn, I suppose.
[22:53:01] ‹Linkcat› Why is there a relationship between kaempfer and Calin?
[22:53:09] ‹Espithel› They're both supportive of me.
[22:53:38] ‹ddevans96› Cal meets two of those criteria
[22:53:44] ‹ddevans96› that could be either a good thing or a bad thing, though
[22:53:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The venn diagram wins
[22:53:55] ‹Linkcat› I like Calin though
[22:54:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Me too
[22:54:21] ‹ddevans96› I'd rather not lynch him, he's a town lean for me atm actually
[22:54:53] ‹Espithel› Their movements seem rather in sync with each other, at least in my opinion. This is something better suited for a forum post.
[22:55:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If movements are in sync that's a huge red flag
[22:55:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But also careless
[22:56:04] ‹Espithel› I think Calindu would pass "being mafia 101"
[22:56:10] ‹Espithel› I don't think Cal's that stupid.
[22:56:21] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Exactly
[22:56:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What of Kae?
[22:56:33] ‹Espithel› Don't know Kae as a person.
[22:57:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Cal can't do much if Kae follows him
[22:58:13] ‹Espithel› What do you mean by that?
[22:59:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If we're being suspicious of the two based on them being "close", and we're saying that Calin wouldn't do that to Kae, there's the chance that Kae is doing it to Calin
[22:59:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Albeit slim
[23:00:10] ‹ddevans96› I don't think that's it, honestly
[23:00:15] ‹Espithel› I feel that if they're both scum, Kae would be disciplined for doing such.
[23:00:16] ‹ddevans96› I'd guess they're both town
[23:00:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Neither do I
[23:00:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yeah that's the other thing
[23:00:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But how do you casually stop it
[23:01:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There are ways, of course
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[23:01:50] ‹Espithel› Yeah, option 1 doesn't seem to be the way to go.
[23:01:54] ‹Espithel› So there's option 2 and 3.
[23:02:30] ‹ddevans96› I'm not in favor of the inactivity lynch, personally
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[23:02:35] ‹ddevans96› not with Graboid in the picture
[23:02:48] ‹Espithel› It's not meant to be an inactivity lynch - Ginyu isn't inactive
[23:02:52] ‹ddevans96› and I don't want to say 'lynch someone who voted on me' bc that would sound mega omgus
[23:02:55] ‹Espithel› But, yeah, Graboid does muck with it.
[23:03:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Inactivity lynch someone who voted?
[23:03:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Aka Math lmao
[23:03:19] ‹Espithel› Because we're pretty sure there's at least 1 scum in those two camps, and those two camps are small, it's slightly better than a random lynch.
[23:03:24] ‹Espithel› That's my logic here.
[23:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would hold to reason, yeah
[23:03:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Psuedo random lynch?
[23:03:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hm
[23:04:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So then option 2
[23:04:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What would the reasoning be for that?
[23:04:38] ‹Linkcat› I don't agree with lynching based on a group of people.
[23:04:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Because they were quick to jump on the wagon despite the information being unclear or something?
[23:04:50] ‹Linkcat› You lynch individuals.
[23:04:51] ‹Espithel› The way that Linkcat created that poke, and it turned into a 4-way post immediately.
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[23:06:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You can look at a group to find options to vote for
[23:06:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Then assess each person individually
[23:07:01] ‹Espithel› I think there's exactly 1 scum in that (if there's a second scum, it has to be Link) - because again, you don't want to make your movements synchronous.
[23:07:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So in that group you have Link, Insig, Calin, and who?
[23:07:38] ‹Espithel› Can we ask why we want to protect the graboid so much?
[23:07:51] ‹Linkcat› Wait, what are you talking about?
[23:08:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The people who voted dd
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[23:08:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There were 4, weren't there?
[23:08:24] ‹Espithel› Link, Insig, Calin, Walks, and Me. Walks changed his vote to Kae, and I removed my vote.
[23:08:25] ‹shockcannon› listen
[23:08:29] ‹shockcannon› ian is maf
[23:08:34] ‹shockcannon› it's going to take you guys 4 days to figure that out
[23:08:35] ‹Linkcat› OH, hey shock.
[23:08:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ahh
[23:08:38] ‹shockcannon› but you heard it here first
[23:08:46] ‹Espithel› Welp
[23:08:49] ‹Espithel› The lord has spoken!
[23:08:53] ‹Espithel› We're lynching Ian.
[23:08:55] ‹Linkcat› Hmm, my shift key has been getting stuck on the second letter a lot.
[23:08:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› His vote was nothing but an "RNG" vote, wasn't it?
[23:09:00] ‹ddevans96› we could also just lynch iancu, that's also an option
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[23:09:16] ‹ddevans96› we'll find out if shock is full of shit or not
[23:09:31] ‹Linkcat› Nah, we already know he is.
[23:09:31] ‹ddevans96› might be worth it on those merits alone
[23:09:37] ‹ddevans96› well, yeah, but what kind
[23:09:47] ‹Linkcat› If dd is mafia then I think there's 0 mafia that voted on him.
[23:09:51] ‹Linkcat› That would be big.
[23:10:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What's the chance that Shock is great 2 games in a row
[23:10:02] ‹Linkcat› All the kinds.
[23:10:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's true
[23:10:16] ‹Espithel› 0 mafia
[23:10:18] ‹Espithel› ?
[23:10:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Link is one of those 0 mafia btw
[23:11:16] ‹ddevans96› yeah, if I were mafia, it would be an insanely risk play for any of the other mafia to have made any of those votes
[23:11:49] ‹Espithel› True.
[23:12:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What was the voting order?
[23:12:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› For those who voted dd
[23:12:18] ‹Linkcat› ME, Insig, Calin, Espi
[23:12:23] ‹ddevans96› Link, IW, Cal, Espi
[23:12:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And of MW?
[23:13:00] ‹Linkcat› kaempfer JCJ I think
[23:13:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which was the one I was more curious about
[23:13:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait what?
[23:13:41] ‹Linkcat› Lol, dawn still has 2 votes.
[23:13:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Walks changed his vote to Kae"
[23:13:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's what I mean
[23:13:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› When did MW vote dd
[23:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Save this for bedtime reading.
[23:14:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lol it's true you can check
[23:14:35] ‹Espithel› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[23:15:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't understand why ian voting for me makes him mafia
[23:15:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But I don't think anyone else understands that either
[23:15:18] ‹ddevans96› oh, yeah, he did do that, I forgot
[23:15:36] ‹Espithel› So: Link (created), Insig, Walks, Walks immediately pokes Kae because of that damn tunnel vision, Calindu, Espithel, Espithel removes his vote to foster discussion.
[23:15:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If dd is mafia I think MW might be as well
[23:16:05] ‹Espithel› I am absolutely, diehard sure MW is town.
[23:16:14] ‹Espithel› To the point where I don't think lynching him is up for discussion at all
[23:16:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Fair
[23:16:22] ‹ddevans96› MW is very likely town
[23:16:35] ‹Espithel› However, yes.
[23:16:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lynching him doesn't reveal much other than his opinions are his opinions so like
[23:17:10] ‹Espithel› So if we want to go down this route, then we're looking at Calindu, Insig, Me, or Link.
[23:17:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mainly just saying that if dd flips, of the people who did vote him, MW is the most likely outside of other reasoning
[23:17:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And said reasoning makes him more likely to be town
[23:19:31] ‹Espithel› Insig's done basically nothing, so it's hard to pin him down.
[23:19:36] ‹Espithel› So, you all think Calindu's town, yeah?
[23:20:02] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[23:20:16] ‹ddevans96› yeah
[23:20:26] ‹Linkcat› I don't like where this is going.
[23:20:57] ‹Espithel› Well, if option 1 is out of the question, and option 2 is out of the question. That leaves us with Espithel option 3, or something else entirely.
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[23:21:51] ‹shockcannon› i hope you realize one of you 4 is mafia
[23:22:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which one?
[23:22:11] ‹shockcannon› i'll save that for day 3
[23:22:15] ‹shockcannon› ;)
[23:22:17] ‹ddevans96› I mean, that's a strong possibility, yeah
[23:22:21] ‹Linkcat› I still want to lynch kaempfer
[23:23:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't like Espithel option 3 :(
[23:23:21] ‹Espithel› I don't like Espithel option 2 :(~
[23:23:39] ‹Espithel› But, if you think option 3 is fruitless, then... What else?
[23:23:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Espithel option 1 it is!
[23:24:00] ‹Espithel› There's more than those three options if you don't like any of them aaaa
[23:24:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Honestly I believe Town can gain more from you being alive at least 1 more phase
[23:24:09] ‹Espithel› They're just not Espithel options
[23:24:44] ‹Linkcat› I would never wnt to go with anything that's called an Espithel option.
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[23:24:56] ‹Espithel› Lynching Kae is an Espithel option.
[23:25:12] ‹Linkcat› Your reasoning is bad though.
[23:25:14] • Espithel coughs.
[23:25:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Epithel options 1 through 19
[23:25:30] ‹Espithel› So. Lynching Kae for non-Espithel reasons.
[23:25:35] ‹Espithel› What's the argument?
[23:25:47] ‹ddevans96› it's in the thread somewhere
[23:25:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's faster if he says it here
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[23:26:05] ‹Espithel› IT'S SEVEN IN THE MORNING AAAAAAAAAAAA
[23:26:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia never sleeps
[23:26:30] ‹Espithel› THE FACT I CAN STILL THINK COHERENT THOUGHTS AT THIS TIME IS A FUCKING MIRACLE C'MON CUT ME SOME SLACK
[23:26:30] ‹ddevans96› fair
[23:26:31] ‹Linkcat› The way he's acted is sketch.
[23:26:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Except for when they do
[23:26:46] ‹Linkcat› Aren't you normally awake at this time?
[23:26:49] ‹ddevans96› I'm basically falling out of my chair in exhaustion, personally
[23:27:02] ‹ddevans96› might just need food tho
[23:27:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› Well, if you want to lynch him, that's pretty obvious. But what's sketchy?
[23:28:35] • Espithel crickets chirp in anticipation
[23:30:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hey that's my line
[23:30:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Chirp
[23:31:24] ‹ddevans96› that's justa's line :(
[23:31:42] ‹Espithel› "Crickets are birds"
[23:34:41] ‹Linkcat› I feel like he rolled mafia his first game, was awkward in the thread like anyone would be, then asked his team how he was supposed to play and is now acting how I would expect a town kaempfer to act.
[23:34:51] ‹Linkcat› This is all just based on feeling.
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[23:35:26] ‹Espithel› 'ey Oa.
[23:35:45] ‹Linkcat› Oh, another person.
[23:36:04] ‹Linkcat› ‹@PlayerOa› Who do you want to lynch?
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[23:36:25] ‹Espithel› Okay, so in order for that to hold float, you'd need proof of "awkward" Kae.
[23:36:37] ‹Espithel› Which then transitions into "normal" kae.
[23:36:56] ‹Linkcat› I don't feel like doing that.
[23:37:18] ‹Espithel› Then I don't feel like lynching Kae. >:(
[23:37:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And by process of elimination from Espithel Option 3, that leaves Link as the most likely candidate
[23:39:33] ‹Espithel› I don't think Link is mafia because of that group unless there's 2 mafia in it.
[23:39:39] ‹Espithel› Which is a possibility.
[23:39:57] ‹Espithel› ...That's already been addressed - it'd be risky Evans 2019
[23:39:58] ‹Espithel› fuck me
[23:40:23] ‹Linkcat› Plot twist, you and I are the 2 mafia in that group.
[23:40:24] ‹Espithel› I'm gonna go get some tea.
[23:40:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› How suspiciously British of you
[23:40:55] ‹Espithel› Best plot twist: All five of the people in that group are scum and Sub is a bastard mod
[23:41:06] ‹Linkcat› Lmao
[23:41:14] ‹Espithel› What? Do I need proof of me making a cup of tea now?
[23:41:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Who would be the best Bastard mod
[23:41:33] ‹Linkcat› Me
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[23:42:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Obviously
[23:43:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Just have a train of roles like "Whenever an OU role is used, learn the name of the role and the person who used it"
[23:43:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Whenever a passive role is activated, learn the name of the role and the person who owns it"
[23:43:29] ‹Linkcat› We're not getting anywhere, I think we have to wait for Europe to wake up.
[23:43:41] ‹Linkcat› The normal ones, at least.
[23:43:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Bastard Rules except the mod told the truth the entire time
[23:44:06] ‹shockcannon› ironically, as you continue to learn nothing, I continue to learn everything
[23:44:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Such as?
[23:49:37] ‹shockcannon› I can't tell you while the mafia is in chat
[23:51:28] ‹ddevans96› meme
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[23:52:51] ‹shockcannon› I hope that within the next 3 mafia I get mafia at least once
[23:53:11] ‹shockcannon› Being town is too boring and too easy
[22:20:17] ‹ddevans96› ^ good and useful post in the social deduction game 'mafia' btw
[22:21:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yes
[22:21:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia
[22:21:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's what the post is about
[22:21:33] ‹ddevans96› it is technically about mafia
[22:21:37] ‹ddevans96› just not our mafia :P
[22:22:16] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Ok, role reveal time.
[22:22:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I'm the Butler.
[22:22:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm the maid
[22:22:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[22:22:50] ‹Espithel› I'm Colonel Mustard
[22:23:38] ‹Linkcat› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› Who is mafia?
[22:23:40] ‹ddevans96› in the billard room with the candlestick
[22:23:58] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› Same question to you.
[22:25:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› if the joke answer doesn't make it clear - I don't really have a read on you at present
[22:25:37] ‹ddevans96› just not enough to go on
[22:26:04] ‹Linkcat› Well it's good you cleared that up, cause I thought you had a read and just didn't want to say it for some reason.
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[22:26:55] ‹ddevans96› your behavior this game has literally just been 'I'll get to mafia when I wake up' and 'let's lynch dd'
[22:27:03] ‹ddevans96› just nothing for me to work with right now
[22:27:10] ‹ddevans96› will make sense one way or the other later, I'm sure
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[22:27:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› (6d10) 7 + 8 + 10 + 7 + 3 + 10 = 45 ...!
[22:27:55] ‹Linkcat› (6d10) 8 + 9 + 8 + 5 + 9 + 4 = 43 ...
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[22:28:02] ‹ddevans96› (5d6) 6 + 4 + 3 + 5 + 1 = 19 ...!
[22:28:24] ‹Linkcat› We should really get our lynch sorted out soon.
[22:29:10] ‹ddevans96› yes
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[22:31:15] ‹ddevans96› what're you thinking atm?
[22:31:51] ‹Linkcat› I'm pretty open right now.
[22:32:17] ‹Linkcat› More people need to be pushing lynches.
[22:32:35] ‹ddevans96› hm
[22:32:51] ‹Linkcat› All the votes are spread out and some quiet people haven't even voted.
[22:34:45] ‹Linkcat› Like Coffee. He was just here but has barely talked. It's like all the votes are on town so he doesn't even care who gets lynched.
[22:35:31] ‹Linkcat› I know dawn wants to cover for Graboid but it's more valuable to have a proactive vote.
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[22:38:49] ‹Espithel› Hey.
[22:38:59] ‹Espithel› Can we ask about the nightkill and why it didn't happen?
[22:40:34] ‹Linkcat› Yeah, it's pretty weird that nobody talked about it.
[22:41:16] ‹Linkcat› I mean, either mafia hit a Seraph/Graboid or Angel got the mindgate.
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[22:42:11] ‹Espithel› Yeah. Do you think the lack of nightkill could have any relation to our lynch?
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[22:42:32] ‹Espithel› ...Actually, no. That'd require the doctor coming out.
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[22:42:59] ‹Espithel› My scumreads right now is simply that Walks is, well. *Definitely* town.
[22:43:29] ‹Espithel› I'm very, very disappointed with Root's argument for lynching me between the two - I am more likely than Walks to be the nymph.
[22:43:43] ‹Espithel› Him being that... Wrong? Is uncharacteristic.
[22:43:54] ‹Espithel› But I feel we can give that the benefit of the doubt.
[22:44:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Linkcat› Tbh I have no idea who to vote for
[22:44:59] ‹ddevans96› Link also said he gets weird vibes from Root, to be fair
[22:45:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The main thing that Root has done in 2 games was die after claiming Phoenix
[22:45:27] ‹ddevans96› I kinda agree, actually, based on his response to my question earlier
[22:45:30] ‹ddevans96› but hard to be sure
[22:45:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› He could potentially just be rusty
[22:45:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› (Hi Root if you read this in the thread)
[22:45:48] ‹ddevans96› maybe, yeah
[22:45:58] ‹Espithel› I feel that, if one of Kae and Calindu are mafia, they will *both* be mafia, but I'm not sure that either is. I think Calindu is town...ish?
[22:46:16] ‹Espithel› Kae is neutral.
[22:46:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Who can we vote for, where if they flip town, we get the most information?>
[22:46:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Obviously some people if they flip mafia will give a fair amount, MW, dd
[22:46:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'd argue less with Espithel, though enough people are going after him that it does give some
[22:46:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some information*
[22:47:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But that's assuming they're mafia
[22:47:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If they're civ, how much info do we really get
[22:47:39] ‹Espithel› You should lynch who you think is mafia, not who you think is town.
[22:47:54] ‹Espithel› The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.
[22:47:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean obviously
[22:48:16] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96› Who hasn't posted at all? Maybe we could lynch a lurker.
[22:48:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› First lynches are very very rarely mafia though
[22:48:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Lynch who you think is mafia" "Oh btw lynch the afk dude"
[22:48:45] ‹Espithel› Or, not posted. Not voted, I meant.
[22:48:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :^)
[22:49:00] ‹Linkcat› dawn hasn't voted
[22:49:05] ‹Linkcat› Let's lynch him.
[22:49:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I have posted though
[22:49:10] ‹ddevans96› inactivity lynch? maybe
[22:49:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :(
[22:49:17] ‹Espithel› It's very likely that one of the mafia hasn't voted. That list might be as small as the list of four that voted on Evans.
[22:49:22] ‹Espithel› Not meant to be an inactivity lynch
[22:49:32] ‹Linkcat› With 20 pages I don't think an inactivity lynch is correct.
[22:50:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Immortal Feud and Mathman would be the ones to look at
[22:50:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› For inactivity
[22:50:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I think it's likely that exactly one mafia hasn't voted
[22:51:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Oh I misread that as unlikely
[22:51:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› My point stands though
[22:51:57] ‹Espithel› Yeah. Those would be my suggestions.
[22:52:17] ‹Espithel› 1) Lynch Kae or Cal. If one flips mafia, lynch the other. If one flips town, the other one is likely town.
[22:52:32] ‹Espithel› 2) Lynch someone who voted on Evans.
[22:52:43] ‹Espithel› 3) Lynch someone who hasn't voted - Ginyu, Immortal, Mathman.
[22:52:56] ‹Espithel› And also dawn, I suppose.
[22:53:01] ‹Linkcat› Why is there a relationship between kaempfer and Calin?
[22:53:09] ‹Espithel› They're both supportive of me.
[22:53:38] ‹ddevans96› Cal meets two of those criteria
[22:53:44] ‹ddevans96› that could be either a good thing or a bad thing, though
[22:53:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The venn diagram wins
[22:53:55] ‹Linkcat› I like Calin though
[22:54:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Me too
[22:54:21] ‹ddevans96› I'd rather not lynch him, he's a town lean for me atm actually
[22:54:53] ‹Espithel› Their movements seem rather in sync with each other, at least in my opinion. This is something better suited for a forum post.
[22:55:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If movements are in sync that's a huge red flag
[22:55:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But also careless
[22:56:04] ‹Espithel› I think Calindu would pass "being mafia 101"
[22:56:10] ‹Espithel› I don't think Cal's that stupid.
[22:56:21] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Exactly
[22:56:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What of Kae?
[22:56:33] ‹Espithel› Don't know Kae as a person.
[22:57:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Cal can't do much if Kae follows him
[22:58:13] ‹Espithel› What do you mean by that?
[22:59:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If we're being suspicious of the two based on them being "close", and we're saying that Calin wouldn't do that to Kae, there's the chance that Kae is doing it to Calin
[22:59:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Albeit slim
[23:00:10] ‹ddevans96› I don't think that's it, honestly
[23:00:15] ‹Espithel› I feel that if they're both scum, Kae would be disciplined for doing such.
[23:00:16] ‹ddevans96› I'd guess they're both town
[23:00:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Neither do I
[23:00:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yeah that's the other thing
[23:00:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But how do you casually stop it
[23:01:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There are ways, of course
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[23:01:50] ‹Espithel› Yeah, option 1 doesn't seem to be the way to go.
[23:01:54] ‹Espithel› So there's option 2 and 3.
[23:02:30] ‹ddevans96› I'm not in favor of the inactivity lynch, personally
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[23:02:35] ‹ddevans96› not with Graboid in the picture
[23:02:48] ‹Espithel› It's not meant to be an inactivity lynch - Ginyu isn't inactive
[23:02:52] ‹ddevans96› and I don't want to say 'lynch someone who voted on me' bc that would sound mega omgus
[23:02:55] ‹Espithel› But, yeah, Graboid does muck with it.
[23:03:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Inactivity lynch someone who voted?
[23:03:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Aka Math lmao
[23:03:19] ‹Espithel› Because we're pretty sure there's at least 1 scum in those two camps, and those two camps are small, it's slightly better than a random lynch.
[23:03:24] ‹Espithel› That's my logic here.
[23:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would hold to reason, yeah
[23:03:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Psuedo random lynch?
[23:03:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hm
[23:04:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So then option 2
[23:04:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What would the reasoning be for that?
[23:04:38] ‹Linkcat› I don't agree with lynching based on a group of people.
[23:04:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Because they were quick to jump on the wagon despite the information being unclear or something?
[23:04:50] ‹Linkcat› You lynch individuals.
[23:04:51] ‹Espithel› The way that Linkcat created that poke, and it turned into a 4-way post immediately.
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[23:06:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You can look at a group to find options to vote for
[23:06:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Then assess each person individually
[23:07:01] ‹Espithel› I think there's exactly 1 scum in that (if there's a second scum, it has to be Link) - because again, you don't want to make your movements synchronous.
[23:07:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So in that group you have Link, Insig, Calin, and who?
[23:07:38] ‹Espithel› Can we ask why we want to protect the graboid so much?
[23:07:51] ‹Linkcat› Wait, what are you talking about?
[23:08:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The people who voted dd
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[23:08:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There were 4, weren't there?
[23:08:24] ‹Espithel› Link, Insig, Calin, Walks, and Me. Walks changed his vote to Kae, and I removed my vote.
[23:08:25] ‹shockcannon› listen
[23:08:29] ‹shockcannon› ian is maf
[23:08:34] ‹shockcannon› it's going to take you guys 4 days to figure that out
[23:08:35] ‹Linkcat› OH, hey shock.
[23:08:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ahh
[23:08:38] ‹shockcannon› but you heard it here first
[23:08:46] ‹Espithel› Welp
[23:08:49] ‹Espithel› The lord has spoken!
[23:08:53] ‹Espithel› We're lynching Ian.
[23:08:55] ‹Linkcat› Hmm, my shift key has been getting stuck on the second letter a lot.
[23:08:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› His vote was nothing but an "RNG" vote, wasn't it?
[23:09:00] ‹ddevans96› we could also just lynch iancu, that's also an option
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[23:09:16] ‹ddevans96› we'll find out if shock is full of shit or not
[23:09:31] ‹Linkcat› Nah, we already know he is.
[23:09:31] ‹ddevans96› might be worth it on those merits alone
[23:09:37] ‹ddevans96› well, yeah, but what kind
[23:09:47] ‹Linkcat› If dd is mafia then I think there's 0 mafia that voted on him.
[23:09:51] ‹Linkcat› That would be big.
[23:10:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What's the chance that Shock is great 2 games in a row
[23:10:02] ‹Linkcat› All the kinds.
[23:10:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's true
[23:10:16] ‹Espithel› 0 mafia
[23:10:18] ‹Espithel› ?
[23:10:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Link is one of those 0 mafia btw
[23:11:16] ‹ddevans96› yeah, if I were mafia, it would be an insanely risk play for any of the other mafia to have made any of those votes
[23:11:49] ‹Espithel› True.
[23:12:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What was the voting order?
[23:12:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› For those who voted dd
[23:12:18] ‹Linkcat› ME, Insig, Calin, Espi
[23:12:23] ‹ddevans96› Link, IW, Cal, Espi
[23:12:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And of MW?
[23:13:00] ‹Linkcat› kaempfer JCJ I think
[23:13:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which was the one I was more curious about
[23:13:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait what?
[23:13:41] ‹Linkcat› Lol, dawn still has 2 votes.
[23:13:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Walks changed his vote to Kae"
[23:13:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's what I mean
[23:13:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› When did MW vote dd
[23:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Save this for bedtime reading.
[23:14:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lol it's true you can check
[23:14:35] ‹Espithel› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[23:15:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't understand why ian voting for me makes him mafia
[23:15:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But I don't think anyone else understands that either
[23:15:18] ‹ddevans96› oh, yeah, he did do that, I forgot
[23:15:36] ‹Espithel› So: Link (created), Insig, Walks, Walks immediately pokes Kae because of that damn tunnel vision, Calindu, Espithel, Espithel removes his vote to foster discussion.
[23:15:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If dd is mafia I think MW might be as well
[23:16:05] ‹Espithel› I am absolutely, diehard sure MW is town.
[23:16:14] ‹Espithel› To the point where I don't think lynching him is up for discussion at all
[23:16:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Fair
[23:16:22] ‹ddevans96› MW is very likely town
[23:16:35] ‹Espithel› However, yes.
[23:16:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lynching him doesn't reveal much other than his opinions are his opinions so like
[23:17:10] ‹Espithel› So if we want to go down this route, then we're looking at Calindu, Insig, Me, or Link.
[23:17:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mainly just saying that if dd flips, of the people who did vote him, MW is the most likely outside of other reasoning
[23:17:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And said reasoning makes him more likely to be town
[23:19:31] ‹Espithel› Insig's done basically nothing, so it's hard to pin him down.
[23:19:36] ‹Espithel› So, you all think Calindu's town, yeah?
[23:20:02] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[23:20:16] ‹ddevans96› yeah
[23:20:26] ‹Linkcat› I don't like where this is going.
[23:20:57] ‹Espithel› Well, if option 1 is out of the question, and option 2 is out of the question. That leaves us with Espithel option 3, or something else entirely.
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[23:21:51] ‹shockcannon› i hope you realize one of you 4 is mafia
[23:22:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which one?
[23:22:11] ‹shockcannon› i'll save that for day 3
[23:22:15] ‹shockcannon› ;)
[23:22:17] ‹ddevans96› I mean, that's a strong possibility, yeah
[23:22:21] ‹Linkcat› I still want to lynch kaempfer
[23:23:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't like Espithel option 3 :(
[23:23:21] ‹Espithel› I don't like Espithel option 2 :(~
[23:23:39] ‹Espithel› But, if you think option 3 is fruitless, then... What else?
[23:23:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Espithel option 1 it is!
[23:24:00] ‹Espithel› There's more than those three options if you don't like any of them aaaa
[23:24:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Honestly I believe Town can gain more from you being alive at least 1 more phase
[23:24:09] ‹Espithel› They're just not Espithel options
[23:24:44] ‹Linkcat› I would never wnt to go with anything that's called an Espithel option.
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[23:24:56] ‹Espithel› Lynching Kae is an Espithel option.
[23:25:12] ‹Linkcat› Your reasoning is bad though.
[23:25:14] • Espithel coughs.
[23:25:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Epithel options 1 through 19
[23:25:30] ‹Espithel› So. Lynching Kae for non-Espithel reasons.
[23:25:35] ‹Espithel› What's the argument?
[23:25:47] ‹ddevans96› it's in the thread somewhere
[23:25:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's faster if he says it here
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[23:26:05] ‹Espithel› IT'S SEVEN IN THE MORNING AAAAAAAAAAAA
[23:26:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia never sleeps
[23:26:30] ‹Espithel› THE FACT I CAN STILL THINK COHERENT THOUGHTS AT THIS TIME IS A FUCKING MIRACLE C'MON CUT ME SOME SLACK
[23:26:30] ‹ddevans96› fair
[23:26:31] ‹Linkcat› The way he's acted is sketch.
[23:26:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Except for when they do
[23:26:46] ‹Linkcat› Aren't you normally awake at this time?
[23:26:49] ‹ddevans96› I'm basically falling out of my chair in exhaustion, personally
[23:27:02] ‹ddevans96› might just need food tho
[23:27:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› Well, if you want to lynch him, that's pretty obvious. But what's sketchy?
[23:28:35] • Espithel crickets chirp in anticipation
[23:30:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hey that's my line
[23:30:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Chirp
[23:31:24] ‹ddevans96› that's justa's line :(
[23:31:42] ‹Espithel› "Crickets are birds"
[23:34:41] ‹Linkcat› I feel like he rolled mafia his first game, was awkward in the thread like anyone would be, then asked his team how he was supposed to play and is now acting how I would expect a town kaempfer to act.
[23:34:51] ‹Linkcat› This is all just based on feeling.
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[23:35:26] ‹Espithel› 'ey Oa.
[23:35:45] ‹Linkcat› Oh, another person.
[23:36:04] ‹Linkcat› ‹@PlayerOa› Who do you want to lynch?
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[23:36:25] ‹Espithel› Okay, so in order for that to hold float, you'd need proof of "awkward" Kae.
[23:36:37] ‹Espithel› Which then transitions into "normal" kae.
[23:36:56] ‹Linkcat› I don't feel like doing that.
[23:37:18] ‹Espithel› Then I don't feel like lynching Kae. >:(
[23:37:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And by process of elimination from Espithel Option 3, that leaves Link as the most likely candidate
[23:39:33] ‹Espithel› I don't think Link is mafia because of that group unless there's 2 mafia in it.
[23:39:39] ‹Espithel› Which is a possibility.
[23:39:57] ‹Espithel› ...That's already been addressed - it'd be risky Evans 2019
[23:39:58] ‹Espithel› fuck me
[23:40:23] ‹Linkcat› Plot twist, you and I are the 2 mafia in that group.
[23:40:24] ‹Espithel› I'm gonna go get some tea.
[23:40:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› How suspiciously British of you
[23:40:55] ‹Espithel› Best plot twist: All five of the people in that group are scum and Sub is a bastard mod
[23:41:06] ‹Linkcat› Lmao
[23:41:14] ‹Espithel› What? Do I need proof of me making a cup of tea now?
[23:41:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Who would be the best Bastard mod
[23:41:33] ‹Linkcat› Me
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[23:42:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Obviously
[23:43:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Just have a train of roles like "Whenever an OU role is used, learn the name of the role and the person who used it"
[23:43:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Whenever a passive role is activated, learn the name of the role and the person who owns it"
[23:43:29] ‹Linkcat› We're not getting anywhere, I think we have to wait for Europe to wake up.
[23:43:41] ‹Linkcat› The normal ones, at least.
[23:43:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Bastard Rules except the mod told the truth the entire time
[23:44:06] ‹shockcannon› ironically, as you continue to learn nothing, I continue to learn everything
[23:44:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Such as?
[23:49:37] ‹shockcannon› I can't tell you while the mafia is in chat
[23:51:28] ‹ddevans96› meme
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[23:52:51] ‹shockcannon› I hope that within the next 3 mafia I get mafia at least once
[23:53:11] ‹shockcannon› Being town is too boring and too easy
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 25, 2019, 08:48:40 am
3 Espithel-based trains if thought going into the lynch
1. Kaempf/Calin, if one is mafia, the other probably is too
2. Lynch someone based on activity
3. Lynch someone who voted for dd. Since people were so quick to jump on the train, one of them may be likely to be mafia.
Option 1 is unlikely to work since neither of them are likely to fall into the trap of following each other
Option 2 shouldn't be followed since we have 20 pages of posts to work off
Option 3 devolved into discussion about who might be mafia if dd flips scum.
Shock says Ian is mafia and there's slight discussion about voting for him
Kaempf is also an option because Link finds him to be playing like a 1st-time-scum
In the end nothing happens
If anyone has anything else to add from the discussion, feel free
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 08:49:55 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 09:04:44 am
Me acting awkwardly was obviously a consequence of me being new first, but it's also actually because I am town.
While technically I am surrounded by people allied to me, I have noone I can fully trust and on day 1 there is a little information I could have based on a role. All I know is that to gain information we have to talk. And so I blabbered whenever the opportunity arose.
As mafia it would have been much easier to lay low and just contribute enough to discussion to not be suspicious and I would have people I can orient myself towards.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 10:01:21 am
@kaempfer13 I really don't think you're mafia. If you are I might be throwing for town but I'm going to take a gamble. I'm going to give you something that I hope you have the brains for.
@MasterWalks There's a potential chance you also can crack this, but I also don't believe you are mafia.
A long time ago there was a little mix up and error made when you attempted to give me weekly tournament winner codes. I want you to try and think of the reason why this mistake occurred. Simplify the cause of this error to a single word that makes the most sense if you could only use one word. That word should loosely be able to connect to one of the 12 elements. If you think it connects to multiple pick the more appropriate one.
If you think you know the answer, post that element icon along with 2 other random element icons (if previously you thought there were two possible elements that could relate to the word, do NOT include the weaker connected element in your 3 element icon answer).
If you answer this correctly I'm going to use that word as a key for a cipher in which I share some info with you.
Any attempt to bypass the PM restriction and send information to a specific player is against the spirit of the rules and will be treated as breaking rule 9 of the Game Rules.
I went to go cite the rule that says codes and ciphers are banned, but apparently I forgot to actually put it in the rules all this time.
Too bad that it isnt allowed :( although I guess there is room for debate there as it wasnt actually written in the rules
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 25, 2019, 10:04:13 am
I'm still on MW. Sadly not had time to fully keep up but every time he talks i want him dead. *shrug*
The reason why lynching 'bad' town is bad is that when people play badly it sparks conversation. It sparks drama. Drama makes people make mistakes in their game. I kinda love the way shock and espi play.
(not related to the game, i really like the makeup of this mafia. we have new players, experienced players, logical ones, chaotic ones. People thinking differently to you is always a good thing. Sparks conversation.
JCJ stop, the first and second parts of your post directly contradict each other. MW is town. I agree that the makeup of this mafia is great.
Um, I disagree, my vote is on MW because everytime he talks I want him dead because I am reading him as scummy not definitely scummy, but enough that he is my strongest day 1 scumread. Also a little Calindu but I'm not sure why. It is odd that you believe so strongly he is town. What is the reason you think this strongly enough to make it an absolute statement?
Syke! More tunnel for a sec.My priority is now survival - see my response to Espi. Information is the secondary goal.
Okay so you have a million responses to him but i took a look at the one i assumed was the right one. If we are going to honest with ourselves, "survival first information second" is a "me game". Me survive first, town get information second.
[18:04:46] ‹ddevans96› it's not a 'me' game, that's the thing
So we got contradictions once again.
I dont blame you for defending against a lynch, but helping town should ALWAYS be priority, It has been for me. Right now, you surviving is not helping town, or at least you havent made a point in how it is. So far, you have said "I know i am town". I bet a mafia would say the exact same thing. Really, to me, thats your only excuse. Other than that your defense has been picking posts apart sentence by sentence and explaining yourself. I still am not seeing how that helps town. Your posts are long so it may be that i have missed something you said, but as of now, you are playing a me game.
If you have a train on you, of course survival is priority. Day 1 if you know you are town and you don't know others are town, the best way to help town is not die. Dd is middle ground for me atm, could be scum, but this comment makes sense perfectly well.
*jcj continues to scroll and see's dd's post saying exactly this but in more words
*jcj finishes reading dd's post and I think he is reading more and more as town
Maybe I shouldnt do this, because defending people with little threat to them in the first place is what got me here. But I cant help but defending myself each time that I am called into question.
Me acting awkwardly was obviously a consequence of me being new first, but it's also actually because I am town.
While technically I am surrounded by people allied to me, I have noone I can fully trust and on day 1 there is a little information I could have based on a role. All I know is that to gain information we have to talk. And so I blabbered whenever the opportunity arose.
As mafia it would have been much easier to lay low and just contribute enough to discussion to not be suspicious and I would have people I can orient myself towards.
I have found kae to be fairly consistant with how I have seen him play other games. A lot of talking a lot of logic, fully immersed in what he is doing. Again, could be either but the reason people are scumreading him is invalid imo as this is how i would expect him to play in either role.
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 10:08:37 am
You should always defend yourself unless the push is particularly stupid.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 10:20:50 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 10:23:54 am
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2019, 10:26:37 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 25, 2019, 10:29:49 am
When I say, "MW is town," that's not an absolute statement, that's my opinion, just like everything else I say.
Post by: immortal feud on May 25, 2019, 11:31:14 am
feel like link and shock are town
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 02:31:41 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
3 hours left, and I want to make sure there's not going to be a no-lynch day. Does this make me look scummy? Maybe.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2019, 04:16:13 pm
Quote from: chat
[17:43:26] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you mention anywhere that you wouldn't be as active as last mafia? Or is it because dd and Link are already doing the lion's share of posting/analysis?
[17:43:54] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I am just confused that late-game iancu posted a lot more than early-game iancu does.
[17:45:07] ‹moehrpi› [22:47:54] ‹Espithel› 'The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.' I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit. :)
[17:52:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› I can't contribute much tbh.
[17:53:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› I only really step forward when there's no discussion.
I'd like to hear a bit more on '[22:47:54] ‹Espithel› The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.' from anyone really.
[22:49:32] ‹Linkcat› With 20 pages I don't think an inactivity lynch is correct.
Information is scarce so I am not entirely opposed to it. Would it in your opinion, Link, be justifiable on day 2? Otherwise it will be tough to flush out inactive mafia. However, we don't gain any intel from it unless we are extremely lucky. Just to gain some perspective: how bad is an inactivity lynch compared to no lynch?
I can't really get behind the 'how many mafia voted' deliberation. I agree with the consensus of how many of them actually voted but there is no information. Mafia plays as if they were town. So more reserved players don't vote/push and others do so as usual. I find it hard to believe mafia follow a concerted strategy in that regard.
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 04:41:14 pm
[17:32:33] ‹Espithel› Once we get the first lynch, we can look at how other people reacted to that mafia.
[17:33:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› That makes a lot of sense. I actually just misread.
[17:33:28] ‹moehrpi› I thought about the first Nightkill. Somehow I missed 'lynch'...
[17:33:49] ‹moehrpi› Thanks for clearing that up. :flinch:
[17:34:43] ‹Espithel› Another truism is that if we've got one scum, we can look at previous nightkills to try and see why the mafia killed those people. Maybe they said something another mafia member didn't like?
[17:35:46] ‹Espithel› We can't really do that until we've got one kill because of the good old toxic townie motif: I'm defending Walks super, super hard, for example. So if I flip scum, it's going to look real, real bad on him.
[17:35:58] ‹Espithel› Ditto cal/kae.
[17:36:26] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, the mafia like to use that to try and make somebody look scummy.
Also note that I didn't suggest an inactivity lynch. Evans seems pretty certain that there's one scum who hasn't voted.
The pool of people who haven't voted is pretty small. So if we lynch from there (randomly or educated), we have a better chance of killing scum than a random lynch. (All bad arguments for lynching have the same probability as a random lynch of killing someone, imo.)
That was the train of thought. Criticise it how you will.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:11:05 pm
Evans seems pretty certain that there's one scum who hasn't voted.
I've said the opposite - I think it is most likely all the mafia voted prior to me waking up yesterday.
3 hours left, and I want to make sure there's not going to be a no-lynch day. Does this make me look scummy? Maybe.
What's your reads on MW and jcj?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 05:13:00 pm
JCJ - slightly scummy. He seems to have changed his mind *again* towards the D1 lynch vs D1 no-lynch.
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 05:31:55 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:32:27 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Given MW and jcj, I would also rather lynch jcj rn, so I'm moving my vote - we're discussing our best lynch target in chat at present.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:32:44 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 05:33:52 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
I also think JCJ is scummy, so I'm moving my vote.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 05:35:18 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 05:37:09 pm
Evans seems pretty certain that there's one scum who hasn't voted.
I've said the opposite - I think it is most likely all the mafia voted prior to me waking up yesterday.
I derped. Link said that.
My apologies.
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 05:50:45 pm
I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again. I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped. Please bear in mind this is only my second game of mafia, and I don't want my inexperience to come out as scum.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 05:51:56 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:52:22 pm
Iancu, please EBWOP to include my vote.
Your vote is included in his most recent post.
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 05:53:05 pm
Nevermind, ian. I didn't realize you changed your vote.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 05:55:51 pm
Iancu, please EBWOP to include my vote.Your voteis in his postand probably the reason he migrated his vote in the first place. He doesnt want our lynch target to be hammered in, so that mafia can just watch from a safe distance as we lynch a towny (presumably). If we target more people - so long as we do lynch someone in the end- we can make mafia feel more uncomfortable.
I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again. I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped. Please bear in mind this is only my second game of mafia, and I don't want my inexperience to come out as scum.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 25, 2019, 05:56:48 pm
I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again.
All valid.
Quote
I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped.
This is no longer true, as the vote is now 4-4 - my death no longer seems inevitable.
For what it's worth, had we not been able to tie the vote, it would have been a scumread against you - making the deciding vote, or the one that puts the vote out of reach, is often seen as a mafia play to control the lynch. But since we were still visibly able to tie it, I don't see that as applying.
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 05:59:02 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Top 10 anime betrayals, I know, jon. See you in forum brawl.
Time RESET.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2019, 06:01:59 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 06:02:37 pm
TEN OUTTA TEN
OUTPLAYED
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 06:02:59 pm
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2019, 06:05:23 pm
So now we just wait.
Post by: shockcannon on May 25, 2019, 06:08:24 pm
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2019, 06:10:17 pm
Night 1
(https://i.imgur.com/4UjUAWt.jpg)
"The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling." - And since shock's vote was a back-and-forth that didn't affect the outcome, the Day ends now.
JonathanCrazyJ died. He was an Elemental and a Guardian Angel.
Linkcat is being difficult, so this night phase will also be 2 days long, but seeing how only 1 person was against 24-hour night phases (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/off-topic-discussions/polls-for-mafia-71/), here's a plan:
- If everyone (except 3 or less people) manages to send in their night actions WITHIN the first 24 hours (and also actively saying if they don't do an action), then we can try a 24 hour long night phase next time.
Night 1 has ended.
Edit 1 (2019 May 27): Extended timer by 1 hour.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 06:13:42 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 06:29:24 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 06:31:23 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 06:31:55 pm
Hm, since JcJ was GA, I wonder if he protected himself, survived the nightkill and thus mafia wanted to get rid of him while town is easily swayed?
If true, moe was first to vote for him with root being second. Usually takes 2 votes on someone for it to be a meaningful thing.
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 06:40:46 pm
Does that affect anything?
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 06:42:01 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 06:43:45 pm
There's a high chance I know who JCJ targeted N0.
Yeah, himself. He was likely the NK target.
Post by: RootRanger on May 25, 2019, 06:49:51 pm
Also, I would still be cautious about role blocking anyone tonight. Although there is likely a mafia between Espi/MW, it's not worth risking the chance of blocking a civ power role.
Also interested in what ian has to say.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 07:05:43 pm
There's a high chance I know who JCJ targeted N0.Alright, that was a lie. Just wanted to see people's reaction. Most were just guessing, but Mobian seemed to be pretty sure of it. I think we've just found one of the mafias.
There's a high chance I know who JCJ targeted N0.
Yeah, himself. He was likely the NK target.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 07:06:53 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 07:12:50 pm
There's a high chance I know who JCJ targeted N0.Alright, that was a lie. Just wanted to see people's reaction. Most were just guessing, but Mobian seemed to be pretty sure of it. I think we've just found one of the mafias.There's a high chance I know who JCJ targeted N0.
Yeah, himself. He was likely the NK target.
You really think I'd have rolled dirty twice in a row? No. I am, however, annoyed that we don't seem to like evidence, and would rather strike out blindly in the asinine hopes that we get lucky enough to hit a mafia. Explain to me who that helps, aside from mafia. Thanks to us blindly shooting in the dark, we just killed off one of our strongest defenders. So yeah, I'm a tad salty. If you think that's enough to make me mafia, then so be it. It's not like we need proof to kill anyone, anyways.
Post by: moehrpi on May 25, 2019, 07:17:06 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 25, 2019, 07:19:35 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 07:22:35 pm
no lynch is bad for town in the long run so thats actually more of a red flag, even if we ended up targeting one of our own
Not in the early stages, but you people are SO hung up on "someone has to die, so we MIGHT learn something". With that mindset, we may as well not even have secondary roles and just blindly shoot people till the game ends.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 07:26:28 pm
S Tier
Espithel
He is mafia.
A Tier
iancudorinmarian
He is sketchy. Not really playing how he did last game. Makes a lot of accusations. Not tunnel vision like me but lots of baseless motives.
Moe and root
Started the bandwagon on jcj. They couldnt kill him with NK but they can with lynch.
B Tier
Shock
Because its shock
ddevans and Linkcat
They are too experienced. If they are mafia, it is unlikely they will slip up. In the best scenario, if one of them is mafia, the other isnt. They can probably read each other well.
Calindu
Very aggressive and opinionated. Nothing unusual really but worth keeping your eye on.
Insig and d2d
quiet people. insig is usually quiet both in and out of this game so not necessarily too unusual.
C Tier
Everyone else.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 07:35:29 pm
And how is my playstyle different from last game?
Post by: PlayerOa on May 25, 2019, 07:38:37 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 07:47:42 pm
Calindu i will admit i am not too sure about. Never talked to him much, but he is everything i stated in the list. Not a ton of sus on him, thats why he is B tier.
insig is not acting all that differently as i stated. Quiet people are just sketchy
d2d was much more talkative last game. He hasnt said anything about being afk or anything. If he is irl busy then totally understandable.
However, it appears irl stuff doesnt matter to yall considering the jcj lynch.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 25, 2019, 08:48:20 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 25, 2019, 09:06:31 pm
[16:43:26] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you mention anywhere that you wouldn't be as active as last mafia? Or is it because dd and Link are already doing the lion's share of posting/analysis?
[16:43:54] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I am just confused that late-game iancu posted a lot more than early-game iancu does.
[16:45:07] ‹moehrpi› [22:47:54] ‹Espithel› 'The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.' I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit. :)
[16:52:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› I can't contribute much tbh.
[16:53:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› I only really step forward when there's no discussion.
[16:58:23] ‹Guest-Archangel-5bddf› He’s mafia
[17:00:48] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:21:58] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:22:04] ‹Guest-FireflyQueen-3c571› hey
[17:32:14] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Sure. Until we know who a single mafia is, a lot of our information is weak because nothing's certain.
[17:32:33] ‹Espithel› Once we get the first lynch, we can look at how other people reacted to that mafia.
[17:33:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› That makes a lot of sense. I actually just misread.
[17:33:28] ‹moehrpi› I thought about the first Nightkill. Somehow I missed 'lynch'...
[17:33:49] ‹moehrpi› Thanks for clearing that up. :flinch:
[17:34:43] ‹Espithel› Another truism is that if we've got one scum, we can look at previous nightkills to try and see why the mafia killed those people. Maybe they said something another mafia member didn't like?
[17:35:46] ‹Espithel› We can't really do that until we've got one kill because of the good old toxic townie motif: I'm defending Walks super, super hard, for example. So if I flip scum, it's going to look real, real bad on him.
[17:35:58] ‹Espithel› Ditto cal/kae.
[17:36:26] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, the mafia like to use that to try and make somebody look scummy.
[17:48:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› btw link said that there’s a chance that maf hasn’t voted
[17:48:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Not Evans
[17:52:18] ‹Espithel› fuck.
[17:52:28] ‹Espithel› Point remains!
[18:00:19] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:09:09] ‹kaempfer13› hm, I did say that i would move my lynch vote at the end of the day
[18:09:49] ‹kaempfer13› dont really feel comfortable with the choices though
[18:10:48] ‹kaempfer13› also kinda want to use the who function not for ingame reasons (atleast not really) but just to see how many people would be ready to react intime for the lynch
[18:12:58] ‹ddevans96› so what're we thinking?
[18:14:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› Is it the question whether you divulge information and it's bad if it doesn't lead to a lynch? If that is not the case do it now.
[18:16:05] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› No scum-read so far. I am a bit surprised to see Root without any votes while some people have expressed scepticism.
[18:16:21] ‹vagman13›
[18:16:38] ‹ddevans96› hm
[18:16:46] ‹ddevans96› is anyone opposed to a jcj lynch?
[18:16:53] ‹kaempfer13› fair point
[18:17:21] ‹MasterWalks› The only scum i am reading from jcj is he is not as aggro as last game
[18:17:58] ‹kaempfer13› but many of the things that make jcj look scummy are explainable with things not related to things that are different this game
[18:18:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats not even really scummy. dude has said he wont be that active until monday and that all posts are coming from his phone
[18:18:42] ‹MasterWalks› i guess i would say i am against a jcj lynch
[18:18:44] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I asked somewhere earlier when there was no real motivation to lynch what we could gain from it. But neither votes for nor by him seem to be doing anything.
[18:19:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› I am against most if not all lynches. But I am against no-lynch.
[18:19:49] ‹ddevans96› okay. is anyone opposed to a MW lynch?
[18:19:54] ‹ddevans96› (MW need not answer)
[18:20:03] ‹MasterWalks› yes i am
[18:20:07] ‹MasterWalks› oh
[18:20:12] ‹ddevans96› :thinking:
[18:20:51] ‹Calindu› I don't find jcj scummy tbh, I don't think activity is a good way of deciding a lynch
[18:21:11] ‹ddevans96› I have a scumread on jcj unrelated to activity
[18:21:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› Same
[18:21:30] ‹kaempfer13› I have no strong feelings about any lynch (but my own ofc)
[18:21:50] ‹ddevans96› it's very light, but so is every other read for me rn
[18:22:16] ‹kaempfer13› day 1lynch is basically always going to be town, since mafia can easily counterbalance things
[18:22:28] ‹moehrpi› For my liking MW is too easily swayed. Then again I might be the same if I didn't just vote on anyone and decided to give it some time aterwards. I don't think it's scummy.
[18:22:31] ‹MasterWalks› not if we lynch espi it wont be town
[18:22:39] ‹kaempfer13› although if they do it too much it betrays them
[18:22:46] ‹ddevans96› essentially, yes, town lynch d1 is highly likely
[18:22:51] ‹moehrpi› Although some arguments seemed to have some holes, again not scummy.
[18:23:29] ‹ddevans96› so new question: how many people have their vote on someone that isn't their biggest scumread?
[18:24:01] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I do.
[18:24:39] ‹ddevans96› if you could choose any lynch, who would it be?
[18:25:31] ‹kaempfer13› I guess I could say mw isnt my biggest scumread rn, but alternatives arent much more scummy to me
[18:25:47] ‹ddevans96› who are your alternatives?
[18:26:21] ‹ddevans96› bc it seems like we don't really want to lynch either MW or jcj, and obviously I don't want to lynch myself, so is there any other option?
[18:26:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how does one revise anatomy, theres so much info
[18:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› like its not going to stay in my brain
[18:27:12] ‹kaempfer13› I wanted to have another take of root, but most of that is an inkling feeling he lost his skills
[18:27:21] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I could drop a few names but it would most likely be related to activity and wouldn't do the others justice as it is a very weak read if you can call it that.
[18:27:38] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:27:40] ‹ddevans96› Root is insanely smart, no way he lost his sense of logic
[18:27:53] ‹ddevans96› that was suggested yesterday do, I don't know that I buy it
[18:28:12] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia i didnt realize he was confirmed towny for the longest time as mobian seemed like an obvious scumread
[18:28:16] ‹Calindu› Root appears to be very quiet, but I don't believe he'll play like that if he were mafia
[18:28:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Studying usually helps.
[18:28:44] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Has anyone seen ARTH or aves around? I'm curious where we stand on brawl stuff.
[18:28:47] ‹MasterWalks› If we were lynching for information, i think ian would give us some decent info. If we were lynching for reactions, not too sure. If we were lynching for mafia kill, espi would be the best target.
[18:28:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› it doesnt help
[18:28:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ive been trying
[18:29:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ARTH just posted
[18:29:22] ‹ddevans96› I think the strongest read in the game is you on Espi
[18:29:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› read the forum post before you lel
[18:29:30] ‹ddevans96› with the second being shock on iancu
[18:29:43] ‹ddevans96› that's the only two reads that have been strongly pushed
[18:29:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how much time till day end?
[18:29:57] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[18:29:59] ‹kaempfer13› those are the ones with the most confidence behind them i guess
[18:30:17] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› In the few seconds it took to go from forum to here he posted. It wasnt there a minute ago when I checked.
[18:30:18] ‹ddevans96› I think one of them makes the most sense to lynch - but we'd have to get all the votes on them from 0
[18:30:20] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock's vote is random at best
[18:30:22] ‹kaempfer13› but from players who quickly latch onto things
[18:30:28] ‹MasterWalks› i honestly think shock wants ian lynched for info, not a mafia read
[18:30:54] ‹ddevans96› maybe, but that's not what he's claiming
[18:30:59] ‹Calindu› I hardly believe we'll get much info by lynching ian
[18:31:15] ‹MasterWalks› shock is always like 70% lies 30% truth
[18:32:38] ‹Calindu› This vote feels random
[18:33:16] ‹kaempfer13› yh, basically makes it impossible to lynch anyone else, there was no need for it
[18:33:23] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that severely limits the chance of me not getting lynched - it's not a hammer but it may as well be one
[18:33:34] ‹ddevans96› we kinda have to go for jcj or MW now
[18:33:48] ‹ddevans96› and we'd need 2/3 people to do it
[18:34:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› this is so fun to watch when you know who the mafia is :sillyspin:
[18:34:52] ‹Espithel› I am 100% opposed to a Walk lynch.
[18:34:56] ‹kaempfer13› well i suppose thats one way to restore balance; sortof
[18:35:11] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I don't think a MW lynch is in the cards this round anyways
[18:35:14] ‹Calindu› I don't think lynching MW is a good idea for this round, he's playing too aggro to be mafia
[18:35:19] ‹Espithel› Jcj is fine. Evans is fine. Ian is fine. I don't like how wishy-washy we're being.
[18:35:33] ‹Espithel› (fine to lynch)
[18:35:39] ‹ddevans96› it's not really wishy washy, this feels pretty standard
[18:35:51] ‹ddevans96› 1) early push and you (and kinda) MW
[18:35:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Espithel› your face is fine
[18:35:58] ‹ddevans96› 2) strong push on me
[18:36:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ian, did i do that right
[18:36:08] ‹ddevans96› 3) attempted organized push on someone else
[18:36:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *sigh*
[18:36:52] ‹Calindu› Why are you guys seeing jcj as scummy?
[18:37:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Remember how last game he was all like "Let's not lynch D1, let's wait for more info"
[18:37:23] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how many mafia are there
[18:37:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Now he actually wants a D1 lynch.
[18:37:33] ‹ddevans96› 4 mafia, 15 others
[18:37:36] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a thin line, but it's something.
[18:37:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cool
[18:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere
[18:38:30] ‹Calindu› Well, I haven't played last game, but I believe info is more useful when you can PM
[18:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:38:45] ‹Calindu› So you can maybe afford to take it slower
[18:39:09] ‹Espithel› We probably are stressing too much about the day 1 lynch, to be honest.
[18:39:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't have any strong reads.
[18:39:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› And the only reason I previously voted for dd is to have a D1 lynch.
[18:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› If the vote is tied, does the deadline postpone or do we No Lynch?
[18:40:10] ‹ddevans96› we no lynch
[18:40:18] ‹ddevans96› so we don't want a tied vote in...20 minutes
[18:40:31] ‹MasterWalks› ok we need to break this tie
[18:40:43] ‹Espithel› On it
[18:40:45] ‹MasterWalks› I hate both targets
[18:40:57] ‹Calindu› There are 6 people that haven't voted yet
[18:41:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats fine. It hides garboid
[18:41:11] ‹kaempfer13› as in you want both dead or really like them?
[18:41:23] ‹MasterWalks› No i want neither of them lynched
[18:41:39] ‹MasterWalks› I like the people lol
[18:41:45] ‹MasterWalks› i hate the votes
[18:42:01] ‹Calindu› It hides graboid, but you don't need that many people hiding the graboid
[18:42:33] ‹ddevans96› agreed with Cal, ideally some of these non-voters vote soon
[18:42:44] ‹kaempfer13› there is a 1/3 chance mafia already found graboid
[18:42:46] ‹Espithel› I'll last-second vote if there's atie to begin the overtime.
[18:42:46] ‹ddevans96› I'd say 3-4 people defending graboid is optimal
[18:43:08] ‹ddevans96› oh, yeah, the deadline does move back slightly, to prevent vote-sniping at the very end
[18:43:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Because of the nk failing, right?
[18:43:16] ‹kaempfer13› if it even exists
[18:43:23] ‹kaempfer13› yh
[18:43:34] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's true, actually - that is one explanation for the lack of NK
[18:44:08] ‹Espithel› The other one is a blind heal, which I find hilariously unlikely but possible
[18:44:20] ‹ddevans96› it is technically a 1/19 chance
[18:44:40] ‹ddevans96› absurd, yeah, but it's mafia, sometimes you succeed on dumb luck
[18:44:53] ‹kaempfer13› there is eraph and guard i think
[18:45:13] ‹ddevans96› those are the other options, yeah - I think that's all of them
[18:45:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Guard protects against NK?\
[18:45:19] ‹ddevans96› unless they just...didn't send one in
[18:45:37] ‹MasterWalks› there is no way they didnt send one in
[18:45:48] ‹Espithel› Inb4 sub's a bastard mod
[18:45:49] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@iancudorinmarian› its higher on prio list
[18:45:56] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't think Guard blocks NK
[18:46:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› NK is not a secondary ability
[18:46:15] ‹ddevans96› yeah, rereading the ability, it definitely does
[18:46:26] ‹MasterWalks› Iridium ward? nahh that doesnt block NK. I had that ability last game
[18:47:22] ‹kaempfer13› damn should have really asked for clarification on that
[18:47:40] ‹kaempfer13› but guard not actually guarding is kinda weird
[18:47:53] ‹Espithel› 13 minutes until surprise buttsex tiebreaker vote.
[18:47:59] ‹moehrpi› I am very sure guard does nt affect NK.
[18:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› kinda. Its a roleblocking ability which some of us agreed not to use N0
[18:48:15] ‹ddevans96› it definitely does not*
[18:48:21] ‹ddevans96› sorry
[18:48:26] ‹ddevans96› i.e. I'm with iancu
[18:48:39] ‹Espithel› So, seraph, graboid, mafia's retarded
[18:48:51] ‹ddevans96› basically, yeah
[18:49:12] ‹moehrpi› Seraph, Grab, GA
[18:49:12] ‹Calindu› GA is also a possibility
[18:49:22] ‹Espithel› GA?
[18:49:29] ‹Calindu› Guardian Angel
[18:49:30] ‹Espithel› Wait, seraph and GA are different roles?
[18:49:31] ‹Espithel› fuck me
[18:49:31] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› i specifically explained why guard is the exception to the rule (whether it protects from the nightkill or not it gives quite a bit of information on use)
[18:50:05] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GA is just as likely as Seraph or Graboid
[18:50:11] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› It does not protect.
[18:50:28] ‹Espithel› Seraph/Graboid is more likely than GA, imo
[18:50:45] ‹Espithel› When you have healers, there's a WIFOM game of "do we heal someone good, or someone less important"
[18:50:55] ‹Calindu› No, think about it this way
[18:51:18] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting graboid is a 1/19 chance
[18:51:30] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting a target protected by GA is still 1/19
[18:51:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› That is true only if you are town.
[18:52:07] ‹Espithel› Yeah, but it's not 1/19.
[18:52:13] ‹Espithel› Because of the WIFOM game.
[18:52:18] ‹moehrpi› If you are mafia you know whether one of you is Grab/Serpah/GA and can skew the odds.
[18:52:47] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› WIFOM still results in a nash equilibrium.
[18:52:47] ‹Calindu› That's true, yeah, didn't consider that, but I still think it's comparable
[18:53:03] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› It absolutely is.
[18:53:29] ‹MasterWalks› we REALLY need a different target than jcj or dd
[18:53:42] ‹Calindu› Also, consider that it's more likely GA targets an experienced player, I believe mafia would do the same
[18:54:06] ‹ddevans96› I don't think we're getting one
[18:54:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› Any other suggestions, like yourself?
[18:54:46] ‹MasterWalks› It would not be wise to lynch me but its honeslty better than those 2.
[18:55:05] ‹Espithel› No it's not!
[18:55:15] ‹Espithel› Because you're 1000000,00000% town!
[18:55:21] ‹Espithel› Stop being suicidal walks
[18:55:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:55:25] ‹MasterWalks› Espi, Kaempf, ian, insig,
[18:55:26] ‹Mobian› Why so sure, Espi?
[18:55:31] ‹MasterWalks› all better than those 2
[18:56:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› ‹@ddevans96› Can you give further explanation to your JCJ scum-read other than he flip-flopped between lynch/no-lynch?
[18:56:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a hunch.
[18:56:30] ‹Mobian› It should be known that in 5 mins, unless someone votes on either JCJ or ddevans, or removes a vote from them, no lynch will occur
[18:56:36] ‹MasterWalks› god damnit
[18:56:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› jester
[18:56:51] ‹Espithel› If that happens, I'm going to last-second vote, mob
[18:56:54] ‹Espithel› Don't worry
[18:56:58] ‹MasterWalks› ian, vote someone else. JCJ is afk and moving and typing from a phone
[18:57:01] ‹ddevans96› already did so
[18:57:08] ‹ddevans96› the flip-flop isn't my scumread
[18:57:42] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 11:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere [2019-05-25 11:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:57:44] ‹moehrpi› I don't think ian is mafia. The claim of a blocked role makes me think otherwise. I am closely watching, however.
[18:57:52] ‹kaempfer13› wasnt there a rule for 5 minute extension with each vote?
[18:58:01] ‹Espithel› Yes. kae.
[18:58:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@MasterWalks› That has nothing to do with my scumread on him
[18:58:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› He's tunneling on me extremely hard.
[18:58:38] ‹Espithel› He's putting himself in stupidly large amounts of risk in doing so. If he's mafia, there is absolutely no reason to.
[18:58:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› Plus, he can then focus on moving :D
[18:58:45] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Thanks for the quote. Totally slipped my mind.
[18:58:49] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Espithel› you need to vote now to reset timer, btw
[18:58:49] ‹Espithel› It could be argued that it'd be actively hurting the mafia if he was.
[18:59:17] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:59:45] ‹Mobian› 1 min
[18:59:47] ‹Espithel› So, if walks is mafia, he's braindead. Walks isn't braindead.
[18:59:54] ‹Espithel› So I'm like pretty sure he's town.
[19:00:36] ‹Mobian› True to your word, last fucking second
[19:00:52] ‹Espithel› gottem
[19:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA
[19:01:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› lol
[19:01:44] ‹kaempfer13› my time reset vote would have been even closer, but thereis no need now
[19:02:17] ‹ddevans96› BY GOD, THAT'S SHOCKCANNON'S MUSIC
[19:02:18] ‹MasterWalks› DAMNIT SHOCK
[19:02:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› lmao
[19:02:27] ‹kaempfer13› I like JcJ as a person, so a little sad, but no ingamerelated objections here
[19:02:43] ‹kaempfer13› huh
[19:02:49] ‹Mobian› DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMNNNNNNN
[19:02:58] ‹Mobian› Shock swoops in with a save
[19:03:33] ‹MasterWalks› I object lynching JCJ but i think its better than dd
[19:03:37] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Did you put in that vote because of your scum-read on iancu?
[19:04:03] ‹shockcannon› I put that in so we don’t lunch
[19:04:10] ‹shockcannon› Lynch
[19:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› wy
[19:04:19] ‹MasterWalks› why
[19:04:26] ‹MasterWalks› no lynch is a terrible idea
[19:04:31] ‹kaempfer13› I do wonder actually
[19:04:40] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock doing shock things again
[19:04:41] ‹MasterWalks› litterally everyone is opposed to it. Thats probably why you want to. Hipster
[19:04:46] ‹Mobian› MW counter'd your play, shock
[19:04:48] ‹shockcannon› Ian you’re mad. Shut up
[19:04:54] ‹shockcannon› Maf*
[19:05:00] ‹Mobian› Not everyone, MW....
[19:05:06] ‹kaempfer13› weve seen most of the information we could get from the lynch other than the roleflipping on death
[19:05:14] ‹MasterWalks› you want no lynch too?
[19:05:21] ‹MasterWalks› why tf do you want no lynch
[19:05:24] ‹kaempfer13› not really
[19:05:46] ‹Mobian› Because we don't have much intel to accuse anyone on
[19:05:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, I'm fundamentally opposed to no lynch, but I do see why people aren't
[19:05:48] ‹ddevans96› for d1 at least
[19:06:01] ‹Mobian› At this point it's all just bickering
[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch
[19:06:06] ‹kaempfer13› roleflipping and the chance of getting mafia should be worth it
[19:07:01] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I should vote shock...
[19:07:14] ‹Mobian› But on D1 without any confirmed intel we're just shooting blind
[19:07:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› do eetttt
[19:07:20] ‹kaempfer13› from a statistical perspective town has to always lynch
[19:07:24] ‹MasterWalks› dont you dare move your vote
[19:07:38] ‹Mobian› Sure, we MIGHT hit a mafia, but it's more likely to kill a town
[19:07:54] ‹kaempfer13› but psychology makes everything muddy
[19:07:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› "[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch" thats wrong btw, though i probs cant talk much cause im not playing in this one
[19:07:57] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Do you want to know the best way to get confirmed intel?
[19:07:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› No, odds change/improve on later days.
[19:07:59] ‹Espithel› Killing people.
[19:08:20] ‹MasterWalks› I agree 1000% with espi
[19:08:39] ‹ddevans96› day is now final, I believe
[19:08:54] ‹Mobian› Perhaps, but it doesn't sit right with me
[19:09:01] ‹ddevans96› shock's vote is late lmao
[19:09:04] ‹Mobian› I need to go to the bank. Back in a bit
[19:09:36] ‹kaempfer13› yep on my clock shock votedtoo late
[19:09:46] ‹MasterWalks› lol shock was late by 30 sec
[19:10:01] ‹MasterWalks› need to practice you typing speed shock
[19:10:11] ‹shockcannon› I was late on purpose
[19:10:20] ‹PlayerOa› Oh wow that's a lot of chat history to read :silly:
[19:10:23] ‹ddevans96› for memes? understandable
[19:10:28] ‹shockcannon› I had a last minute idea
[19:10:29] ‹Kameqo› Right?
[19:10:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› 25 seconds late lul
[19:10:46] ‹Calindu› rip
[19:10:50] ‹kaempfer13› damn he really was ga
[19:10:58] ‹Kameqo› GA?
[19:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› wow
[19:11:05] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 12:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA < lmao, good call
[19:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› :D
[19:11:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol sub and link about to feud
[19:11:53] ‹Espithel› Hm.
[19:11:59] ‹Espithel› Is it possible that jcj was the nightkill?
[19:12:04] ‹Espithel› Can he protect himself?
[19:12:25] ‹PlayerOa› Angel??
[19:12:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› yeah
[19:12:44] ‹Espithel› Because if they can that would actually make GA as equal to block the nightkill as grabby
[19:13:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[19:13:30] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› only every other round on same target
[19:13:36] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› I don't think you understand how numbers work.
[19:13:59] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Numbers are those things that go up and down
[19:14:05] ‹Espithel› Right?
[19:14:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› Yes, also lifts.
[19:15:32] ‹Espithel› Do lifts rotate into another dimension if you multiply them by the square root of -1?
[19:16:11] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[19:16:39] ‹Kameqo› Also I love that math joke
[19:16:41] ‹kaempfer13› ToS is also a mafiastyle game so sorta
[19:16:54] ‹Kameqo› Good stuff man that was great
[19:16:59] ‹Kameqo› Imaginary numbers are wack
[19:17:01] ‹Kameqo› What game is this?
[19:17:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› etg
[19:17:39] ‹Kameqo› Ethyl glucuronide?
[19:17:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› elements the game
[19:18:02] ‹moehrpi› It's mafia.
[19:18:58] ‹Kameqo› Just called mafia?
[19:19:17] ‹moehrpi› Yep.
[19:19:25] ‹moehrpi› Or werewolves.
[19:19:26] ‹Kameqo› Mk
[19:19:39] ‹Kameqo› Wait what
[19:20:01] ‹kaempfer13› there are many names for games in its style, but this standard mafia with etgthemed secondary roles
[19:20:01] ‹moehrpi› Two different names for the same game.
[19:20:33] ‹Kameqo› Ohhh okay
[19:20:39] ‹Kameqo› That's pretty cool
[19:20:45] ‹Kameqo› How have you guys been playing it?
[19:21:04] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[19:21:10] ‹kaempfer13› dreadfully, we killed one of our best allies
[19:21:37] ‹Mobian› Yup, we surely did
[19:22:02] ‹Espithel› So.
[19:22:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› maybe its not your ally :sillyspin:
[19:22:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› You want me roleblocked, yeah?
[19:22:20] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason?
[19:22:38] ‹MasterWalks› Cuz your mafia and you didnt get lynched
[19:22:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in mafia you are always town :sillyspin:
[19:22:53] ‹Espithel› I think you should be roleblocked because you're mafia and you didn't get lynched.
[19:23:07] ‹Espithel› :^)
[19:23:57] ‹MasterWalks› vaild point
[19:23:59] ‹Mobian› Or you're both mafia, and bussing each other
[19:24:16] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:24:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› or everyones a town this game because bastard mod
[19:24:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› that'd be very fun
[19:24:55] ‹MasterWalks› we arent throwing each other under the bus, we are jumping under it together.
[19:25:22] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the point of the game is to figure it out before we killed 11 people :sillyspin:
[19:25:22] ‹Mobian› I still wish Manny was playing
[19:25:41] ‹Espithel› Could you at least throw me under a train, at least?
[19:25:48] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Mobian› A man can dream...
[19:26:13] ‹MasterWalks› I asked him but no response :/ He would probably just vote and not explain anything.
[19:26:45] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› he'd find a way to troll
[19:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i petition to be put into this mafia as the roll that wasnt used
[19:27:27] ‹Calindu› The roles are random, so there could be multiple of one role
[19:27:34] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh
[19:27:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› rip
[19:27:40] ‹Mobian› Who are you?
[19:27:48] ‹MasterWalks› "If I jOiN MaFiA i WiLl JoIn OtHeR eVeNtS"
[19:27:50] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› inb4 dd and jcj both GA :sillyspin:
[19:28:11] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› its w3 on a new device
[19:28:24] ‹Mobian› Ah
[19:33:43] ‹kaempfer13› Also sorry JcJ
[19:34:17] ‹kaempfer13› maybe one day we'll be on the same team and you wont become irrelevant/inactive day 1
[19:34:24] ‹Mobian› No point in apologizing to a corpse.
[19:34:50] ‹shockcannon› You idiots
[19:35:02] ‹Espithel› YOU FLAMING IDIOTS
[19:35:03] ‹Espithel› TAKE THIS!
[19:35:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› kae mafia confirmed?
[19:35:51] ‹Espithel› ...Actually, yeah.
[19:35:55] ‹Espithel› Kae, that's a bit of an awkward thing to say.
[19:36:13] ‹kaempfer13› ya, but we get along pretty well and yet failed to ever work together in team games, even though war and pipeworks both were great opportunities
[19:36:29] ‹Mobian› I did apologize to MW after I got him killed...
[19:36:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› learn2read, nubs
[19:36:46] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, I know
[19:36:54] ‹Espithel› I'm not going to make a thing out of it.
[19:37:03] ‹Espithel› But damn that could be taken the wrong way
[19:37:29] ‹Espithel› Also only Daddy Shock gets to call me a noob >:(
[19:38:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› okay what was your sus of jcj then if it wasnt about the afk
[19:39:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› I told you, it was a hunch
[19:39:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:39:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› A bad one, as it turns out.
[19:41:15] ‹Linkcat› Fuck
[19:41:21] ‹Linkcat› I missed deadline
[19:41:28] ‹Linkcat› Who died?
[19:41:35] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› You were the one that actually chose to lynch JCJ
[19:41:35] ‹Mobian› JCJ
[19:41:36] ‹moehrpi› GA
[19:41:37] ‹moehrpi› JCJ
[19:41:38] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› JCJ
[19:41:39] ‹Calindu› GA
[19:41:42] ‹moehrpi› Your vote did not matter.
[19:41:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› shit
[19:41:50] ‹Mobian› Town
[19:42:04] ‹Espithel› You know who we should've lynched?
[19:42:06] ‹Espithel› Sub.
[19:42:12] ‹Linkcat› Good shit guys
[19:42:39] ‹Espithel› oooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:42:42] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Spicy
[19:42:53] ‹Espithel› Was it himself?
[19:43:13] ‹Espithel› ...I like how that looks like a sword.
[19:43:34] ‹Espithel› ooooo(OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:43:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› I voted to break tie
[19:43:58] ‹MasterWalks› any lynch is better than no lynch
[19:44:37] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› I still disagree.
[19:44:55] ‹Linkcat› I probably would have just kept my vote on dd.
[19:44:58] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› But you could have chosen to lynch dd instead
[19:45:18] ‹Linkcat› Well, I need to go to a party, will check in later.
[19:45:57] ‹MasterWalks› I figured jcj to still be better than dd
[19:46:05] ‹kaempfer13› deja vu; nk failing on jcj n0
[19:46:22] ‹MasterWalks› idk anymore but dd seemed less sus than jcj
[19:46:47] ‹Calindu› That's what I don't get, why jcj was seen a better lynch than dd
[19:47:28] ‹Espithel› dd is "helpful to the town"
[19:47:30] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:47:39] ‹MasterWalks› jcj was very little help last game iirc.
[19:47:39] ‹Espithel› Or, rather.
[19:47:44] ‹Espithel› "more helpful to the town"
[19:47:44] ‹MasterWalks› and he was totally active
[19:47:45] ‹Calindu› I feel like he was chosen in the end because it was easy to coordinate on him, he was not here, he didn't really communicate much
[19:48:13] ‹Calindu› It doesn't matter who's more helpful, it matters who is more likely to be mafia
[19:48:14] ‹MasterWalks› I disagree. For me anyways, i just saw more value in dd
[19:48:20] ‹Espithel› This is true.
[19:48:28] ‹MasterWalks› Well if that was the case, yall shouldve voted espi
[19:48:34] ‹Espithel› As in, mafia being more likely is more important.
[19:48:37] ‹MasterWalks› but nooo i have tunnel vision
[19:48:59] ‹Espithel› https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_-NIo79GfwbA%2FTAC9ErCXQcI%2FAAAAAAAAG9g%2FwAHfS9F3og4%2Fs1600%2FNew%2Btunnel.jpg&f=1
[19:49:40] ‹Calindu› Because you did tunnel vision, you probably saw something small and you just followed that
[19:49:56] ‹Calindu› I saw no real reason why you think Espithel is mafia
[19:51:18] ‹kaempfer13› how can ian actually know who jcj targeted if his ability failed?
[19:51:34] ‹kaempfer13› i guess he couldve lied once
[19:51:39] ‹Mobian› 1
[19:52:26] ‹Calindu› Maybe ian targeted someone and his ability failed because of GA
[19:52:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I'm not saying any more, but it should be easy to figure out.
[19:53:59] ‹Espithel› Stop giving shock justifiable positions
[19:54:00] ‹Espithel› >:(
[19:54:02] ‹kaempfer13› oh ga prevents offensive roles too
[19:54:15] ‹Calindu› Well, it's either him or the person you targeted
[19:54:22] ‹MasterWalks› I think shock is FFQ, if thats worth anything
[19:55:03] ‹Calindu› Why is that?
[19:55:31] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that seems plausible. FFQ over dragonfly, though?
[19:55:34] ‹kaempfer13› if so and dd is to be trusted he very likely only knows that dd neither acted nor was acted on
[19:55:52] ‹shockcannon› Wanna hear a hot take?
[19:55:54] ‹kaempfer13› ofc multiple ffq are possible
[19:56:01] ‹shockcannon› 3 mafia voted on JCJ
[19:56:21] ‹kaempfer13› very hot indeed
[19:56:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Then mafia are incredibly stupid.
[19:56:34] ‹ddevans96› make sure all of this gets logged, I'm packing for the weekend
[19:56:40] ‹ddevans96› I'll respond to the log later
[19:56:45] ‹kaempfer13› i dont think theyd expose themselves that much
[19:56:49] ‹Espithel› THERE'S TOO MUCH TO LOG
[19:56:51] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[19:56:52] ‹MasterWalks› He wants several rounds to info dump, he probably targeted high risk people first round hence targeting dd, and he is being carefully reckless
[19:56:52] ‹shockcannon› Mafia went for the double mindgate
[19:57:04] ‹moehrpi› Well, if dd is mafia there is at least one more mafia on the train.
[19:57:21] ‹moehrpi› me, root, ian, espi
[19:57:25] ‹moehrpi› not counting mw
[19:57:40] ‹ddevans96› (bonus: highlight things in the log you want my response to)
[19:58:12] ‹kaempfer13› a mafia member is fairly unlikely to catch a firefly imo, although its easy to lie about it ofc
[19:58:27] ‹Calindu› But if shock targeted dd, then the only info he could have gotten is that dd didn't use any ability and was not targeted by one either
[19:58:28] ‹moehrpi› I am also struggling to see how ian can know JCJ target.
[19:59:08] ‹moehrpi› Unless he tried to poison/eat someone, he can see if he was healed?, his mafia buddies told him.
[19:59:15] ‹Calindu› ‹@kaempfer13› I don't think it's easy to lie about it, I don't see FFQ as a powerful role, I'd gladly sacrifice myself as a FFQ to out a mafia
[20:00:39] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› guard and gotp are also offensive roles
[20:00:57] ‹moehrpi› not blocked by heal
[20:01:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:01:37] ‹kaempfer13› i reread it to check if it can block roles, seems to state all offensive ones
[20:01:39] ‹Calindu› I think they are blocked by heal
[20:02:35] ‹kaempfer13› squid and flayer would be scummy to use though
[20:03:12] ‹moehrpi› Heal has a lower priority. That wouldn't make sense.
[20:03:48] ‹moehrpi› So the only way it can fail is if it targets someone who was healed the night before or the same night?
[20:03:57] ‹kaempfer13› oh forgot about priorities
[20:04:31] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why dont you all talk in thread
[20:04:41] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› its eassier then chatting in here and copying this to thread
[20:04:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (for people who arent here)
[20:04:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› chat log is so ugly
[20:05:20] ‹MasterWalks› Its easier to speculate here
[20:05:53] ‹kaempfer13› for quick talking forum requires too much refreshing
[20:06:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› Channeled my inner shock
[20:06:14] ‹MasterWalks› Some of us should list scum reads in the forum tho. Like a full list of all reads they have
[20:06:38] ‹Mobian› Yup, when I run a game, I'd like to use a separate discord channel
[20:06:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in my maf, ill ban chat talk. While it has its benefits, people who arent as active and cant be in chat all the time, its an annoyance to them
[20:07:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but im never hosting a maf
[20:07:13] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ill just have to be FGO and then do a link and veto anything else
[20:07:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› tbh, I'm fine with a chatlog instead of just having 20 pages each day.
[20:08:01] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› As random as that may seem, I actually kind of agree with that lol
[20:08:16] ‹Linkcat› Lmao
[20:08:19] ‹Linkcat› True
[20:08:39] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› But what if you want to bandwagon your GA within 30 minutes and need four more votes?
[20:09:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› wat
[20:09:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› go beg in thread. chat's fine for small mafia related qs here and there
[20:09:44] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not for a full on discussion and thoughts
[20:09:48] ‹MasterWalks› Chat log is friendlier for mobile than forum
[20:09:51] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› wat 'wat'?
[20:09:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› much easier to read posts then a chat log
[20:10:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *than
[20:10:35] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i hate how chat log looks on forum, its so ugly
[20:10:43] ‹Calindu› It's easier to communicate in small messages than wall of texts
[20:10:47] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and having to see who typed each chat message is a pain too
[20:10:59] ‹MasterWalks› Just post a series of screen shots
[20:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› can w3 participate by posting all the chat logs?
[20:11:20] ‹moehrpi› If you need to read up forum is easier. The information in chat is just so light.
[20:11:23] ‹Linkcat› Sure
[20:11:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there, i got you into mafia
[20:11:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no
[20:11:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not posting chatlogs ew
[20:11:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ugly
[20:12:14] ‹MasterWalks› Make them beautiful! you are a model after all
[20:12:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Make them pretty! With colours! :)
[20:12:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no ew
[20:14:18] ‹MasterWalks› damnit mobian. not again
[20:14:39] ‹Calindu› Wow
[20:15:42] ‹PlayerOa› Can't help but seeing that as kind of a red flag
[20:15:59] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In regards to my salt or ian's asinine accusation?
[20:16:49] ‹MasterWalks› salt
[20:17:02] ‹MasterWalks› Mobian? more like Mortons
[20:17:25] ‹Mobian› I do live in Salt Lake City
[20:17:33] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› Mafia is in the drivers seat right now and they’re in fourth gear
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› But are they smart enough to kill me enough before I lay down the road tacks?
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nope, im only third gear right now
[20:18:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› got more gears to go
[20:20:28] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In all seriousness, though, what new intel have we gained, aside from knowing we killed a friend?
[20:20:59] ‹kaempfer13› everyone that voted for him is more suspicious now
[20:23:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:23:42] ‹Mobian› Maybe
[20:24:50] ‹Mobian› My theory is shaping up to be a lil different. If I survive the next lynch, I'll put words to it
[20:25:20] ‹PlayerOa› Gj cillessen, I have money on Barcelona :(
[20:28:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› wheres ter stegen?
[20:28:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and suarez
[20:29:58] ‹PlayerOa› Guess Cillessen is cup keeper
[20:30:02] ‹PlayerOa› Suarez no idea
[20:30:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› just read, stegen is injured
[20:30:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› Id say quite a bit. We have a possible answer for N0 no kill, sus of people who started the bandwagon, and tbh losing GA isnt all that bad since they cant protect GN
[20:31:03] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:31:12] ‹MasterWalks› I mean its still bad we lost a town, but it wasnt the worst role to lose
[20:31:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Oh that's a shame, best gk in the world atm along with oblak imo
[20:31:34] ‹MasterWalks› sucks he couldnt defend himself
[20:32:22] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hmm
[20:32:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ederson is really solid ngl
[20:32:54] ‹Calindu› Allison has also been there this year
[20:32:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and with kepa, you get additional bonus that you dont need a manager
[20:33:00] ‹Mobian› There is no defense against Lynch, aside from reason.
[20:33:17] ‹Calindu› And De Gea kind of sucked for the second part of the season
[20:33:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh
[20:33:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› most likely due to contract issues
[20:33:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› best to get rid of him and get some money
[20:33:50] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› You think so?
[20:33:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› romero is class, we can put romero as first choice for one season atleast
[20:34:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› while we rebuild the other aspects
[20:34:01] ‹PlayerOa› Romero is good yeah
[20:34:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cause we desperately need CB, RB, midfield and RW
[20:34:12] ‹MasterWalks› him doing a role reveal wouldnt have been a terrible idea and would've likely saved him from lynch if he said he used it N0
[20:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Sorting out RB, RW and CB is first priority
[20:34:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:34:29] ‹PlayerOa› Fckkkkkk valencia 2-0
[20:34:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield too imo
[20:34:42] ‹Calindu›
[20:34:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield is shambles. we got no one
[20:34:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› herrera gone, matic too old no
[20:34:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› now*
[20:34:53] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Scott<3
[20:34:57] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› You guys are act so bad at mafia
[20:35:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pogba needs to fix up a bit
[20:35:23] ‹Calindu› Pogba will leave too
[20:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› RB > RW > CB = CM
[20:35:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh, id cash in on pogba too
[20:35:39] ‹PlayerOa› If pogba leaves then CM first
[20:35:41] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[20:35:43] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› sell pogba lukaku degea, get money
[20:35:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› invest in youngsters
[20:35:53] ‹Mobian› Maybe short term, but if the mafia didn't kill him, everyone would accuse him of being dirty
[20:35:56] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› get deligt
[20:36:00] ‹PlayerOa› Daniel James looks interesting
[20:36:07] ‹PlayerOa› De ligt would be a dream...
[20:36:14] ‹PlayerOa› Along with Sancho
[20:36:26] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› theres a better chance now of de ligt coming to utd than before
[20:36:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› barca obvs still favs
[20:36:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but the van de sar link will help
[20:36:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and he'll be our no1 for sure
[20:36:49] ‹PlayerOa› Seems like lfc's in the race too
[20:37:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cant see de ligt going to lfc
[20:37:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› van de sar not gonna let him XD
[20:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if barca lose this match today, theyre gonna go hard in transfer
[20:37:43] ‹PlayerOa› :D
[20:40:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hopefully that will mean barca go for mbappe and griezzmans free for us LOL
[20:41:05] ‹Calindu› I can't see barca going for mbappe
[20:41:15] ‹Calindu› No way PSG lets him go there
[20:44:41] ‹PlayerOa› It's a shame ibra got his injury
[20:48:06] ‹MasterWalks› Someone want to chat log post this monster?
[20:48:21] ‹MasterWalks› conversation has shifted to soccer
[20:51:45] ‹Mobian› When I get home
[20:52:03] ‹Calindu› Did you just call football as soccer?
[20:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› U.S.A
[20:52:21] ‹Espithel› He's not mafia, but he's certainly scum.
[20:52:25] ‹Espithel› >:(
[20:52:26] ‹MasterWalks› I like the Chivas
[20:52:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ew
[20:55:36] ‹Mobian› He called it soccer, I call it pointless. FITE ME
[20:55:53] ‹MasterWalks› its not pointless
[20:55:58] ‹MasterWalks› the cleats have points on them
[20:56:16] ‹Calindu› You made a powerful enemy today
[20:56:38] ‹Mobian› ROFL
[20:58:06] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[21:00:36] ‹PlayerOa› I'm with you cal
[21:02:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:09:39] ‹MasterWalks› why do people have L/J on?
[21:10:42] ‹Calindu› Because I like to see when people join or leave
[21:11:57] ‹MasterWalks› it crowds it so bad tho and you can see whos here already
[21:12:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› news says utd very close to signing de ligt???
[21:12:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why they getting my hopes up
[21:12:36] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Really?
[21:13:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› idk i just googled man utd
[21:13:06] ‹PlayerOa› Edwin's at the wheel
[21:13:09] ‹PlayerOa› lol
[21:13:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and first three articles said very close
[21:13:45] ‹Calindu› There's a very reputable source for that
[21:14:17] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Which?
[21:14:29] ‹Calindu› Gerard Romero
[21:14:46] ‹Calindu› I heard he's pretty accurate for Barca news
[21:14:47] ‹PlayerOa› de Ligt has been liking an instagram post by Lukaku, lol
[21:14:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› on that note, bring edwin as technical director with you, de ligt
[21:15:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› he also liked rio ferdinannds
[21:15:12] ‹Calindu› He said that de ligt got a very good offer from man utd
[21:15:15] ‹PlayerOa› Messi hits the post fml
[21:15:56] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› That's even more interesting tbh
[21:16:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› he'll be tested more if hes at utd, and i feel hes the kinda guy who will want that challenge. plus utd offer him more money for sure
[21:20:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there arent many good RBs around this window are there?
[21:20:25] ‹PlayerOa› Wan Bissaka would be the most likely I guess
[21:20:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh him
[21:20:44] ‹PlayerOa› pretty solid player
[21:23:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why are transfers taking so long, hurry up teams, i want to see transfer business
[21:24:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Chief transfer muppet
[21:25:25] ‹PlayerOa› Nah just kidding. I'd like to see some business as well, looks like they're sorting out James at least
[21:26:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not just from utd, but in general
[21:27:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no signings so far
[21:27:34] ‹PlayerOa› Pulisic
[21:28:24] ‹Linkcat› I'm on mobile, someone post the chat log.
[21:29:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pulisic got done before tho
[21:29:26] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah fair enough
[21:29:47] ‹PlayerOa› Dortmund had a couple nice ones
[21:29:54] ‹PlayerOa› Brandt and T. Hazard
[21:30:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh
[21:32:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› seems like barca are only gonna win la liga this yr
[21:32:21] ‹PlayerOa› 2-1 gogogo
[21:32:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the only thing i watched in la liga was the iago aspas story, what a guy
[21:32:28] ‹MasterWalks› Espithel
[21:32:30] ‹PlayerOa› nice jinx
[21:32:39] ‹MasterWalks› can you post since youve been here tho whole time?
[21:33:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nw
[21:41:51] ‹Espithel› Post about what?
[21:42:15] ‹MasterWalks› the chat log
[21:43:12] ‹Espithel› I guess. Gimmie a sec.
[21:48:50] ‹shockcannon› lol jcj in chat
[21:48:54] ‹shockcannon› apologize to him now
[21:51:53] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[21:56:04] ‹MasterWalks›
[21:58:29] ‹vagman13› aaw por jcj :(
[21:58:48] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› So much Amusement
[21:59:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› Its just not meant to be
[22:00:00] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› Wish could say more
[22:00:18] ‹Espithel› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› See you in forum brawl?
[22:00:55] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› 😘
[22:01:08] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› you can say more to me
[22:01:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not playing
[22:03:48] ‹vagman13› you arsefaces lynching jcjc, i said when in doubt , always lynch ian :sillyspin:
[16:43:54] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I am just confused that late-game iancu posted a lot more than early-game iancu does.
[16:45:07] ‹moehrpi› [22:47:54] ‹Espithel› 'The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.' I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit. :)
[16:52:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› I can't contribute much tbh.
[16:53:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› I only really step forward when there's no discussion.
[16:58:23] ‹Guest-Archangel-5bddf› He’s mafia
[17:00:48] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:21:58] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:22:04] ‹Guest-FireflyQueen-3c571› hey
[17:32:14] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Sure. Until we know who a single mafia is, a lot of our information is weak because nothing's certain.
[17:32:33] ‹Espithel› Once we get the first lynch, we can look at how other people reacted to that mafia.
[17:33:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› That makes a lot of sense. I actually just misread.
[17:33:28] ‹moehrpi› I thought about the first Nightkill. Somehow I missed 'lynch'...
[17:33:49] ‹moehrpi› Thanks for clearing that up. :flinch:
[17:34:43] ‹Espithel› Another truism is that if we've got one scum, we can look at previous nightkills to try and see why the mafia killed those people. Maybe they said something another mafia member didn't like?
[17:35:46] ‹Espithel› We can't really do that until we've got one kill because of the good old toxic townie motif: I'm defending Walks super, super hard, for example. So if I flip scum, it's going to look real, real bad on him.
[17:35:58] ‹Espithel› Ditto cal/kae.
[17:36:26] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, the mafia like to use that to try and make somebody look scummy.
[17:48:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› btw link said that there’s a chance that maf hasn’t voted
[17:48:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Not Evans
[17:52:18] ‹Espithel› fuck.
[17:52:28] ‹Espithel› Point remains!
[18:00:19] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:09:09] ‹kaempfer13› hm, I did say that i would move my lynch vote at the end of the day
[18:09:49] ‹kaempfer13› dont really feel comfortable with the choices though
[18:10:48] ‹kaempfer13› also kinda want to use the who function not for ingame reasons (atleast not really) but just to see how many people would be ready to react intime for the lynch
[18:12:58] ‹ddevans96› so what're we thinking?
[18:14:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› Is it the question whether you divulge information and it's bad if it doesn't lead to a lynch? If that is not the case do it now.
[18:16:05] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› No scum-read so far. I am a bit surprised to see Root without any votes while some people have expressed scepticism.
[18:16:21] ‹vagman13›
[18:16:38] ‹ddevans96› hm
[18:16:46] ‹ddevans96› is anyone opposed to a jcj lynch?
[18:16:53] ‹kaempfer13› fair point
[18:17:21] ‹MasterWalks› The only scum i am reading from jcj is he is not as aggro as last game
[18:17:58] ‹kaempfer13› but many of the things that make jcj look scummy are explainable with things not related to things that are different this game
[18:18:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats not even really scummy. dude has said he wont be that active until monday and that all posts are coming from his phone
[18:18:42] ‹MasterWalks› i guess i would say i am against a jcj lynch
[18:18:44] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I asked somewhere earlier when there was no real motivation to lynch what we could gain from it. But neither votes for nor by him seem to be doing anything.
[18:19:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› I am against most if not all lynches. But I am against no-lynch.
[18:19:49] ‹ddevans96› okay. is anyone opposed to a MW lynch?
[18:19:54] ‹ddevans96› (MW need not answer)
[18:20:03] ‹MasterWalks› yes i am
[18:20:07] ‹MasterWalks› oh
[18:20:12] ‹ddevans96› :thinking:
[18:20:51] ‹Calindu› I don't find jcj scummy tbh, I don't think activity is a good way of deciding a lynch
[18:21:11] ‹ddevans96› I have a scumread on jcj unrelated to activity
[18:21:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› Same
[18:21:30] ‹kaempfer13› I have no strong feelings about any lynch (but my own ofc)
[18:21:50] ‹ddevans96› it's very light, but so is every other read for me rn
[18:22:16] ‹kaempfer13› day 1lynch is basically always going to be town, since mafia can easily counterbalance things
[18:22:28] ‹moehrpi› For my liking MW is too easily swayed. Then again I might be the same if I didn't just vote on anyone and decided to give it some time aterwards. I don't think it's scummy.
[18:22:31] ‹MasterWalks› not if we lynch espi it wont be town
[18:22:39] ‹kaempfer13› although if they do it too much it betrays them
[18:22:46] ‹ddevans96› essentially, yes, town lynch d1 is highly likely
[18:22:51] ‹moehrpi› Although some arguments seemed to have some holes, again not scummy.
[18:23:29] ‹ddevans96› so new question: how many people have their vote on someone that isn't their biggest scumread?
[18:24:01] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I do.
[18:24:39] ‹ddevans96› if you could choose any lynch, who would it be?
[18:25:31] ‹kaempfer13› I guess I could say mw isnt my biggest scumread rn, but alternatives arent much more scummy to me
[18:25:47] ‹ddevans96› who are your alternatives?
[18:26:21] ‹ddevans96› bc it seems like we don't really want to lynch either MW or jcj, and obviously I don't want to lynch myself, so is there any other option?
[18:26:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how does one revise anatomy, theres so much info
[18:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› like its not going to stay in my brain
[18:27:12] ‹kaempfer13› I wanted to have another take of root, but most of that is an inkling feeling he lost his skills
[18:27:21] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I could drop a few names but it would most likely be related to activity and wouldn't do the others justice as it is a very weak read if you can call it that.
[18:27:38] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:27:40] ‹ddevans96› Root is insanely smart, no way he lost his sense of logic
[18:27:53] ‹ddevans96› that was suggested yesterday do, I don't know that I buy it
[18:28:12] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia i didnt realize he was confirmed towny for the longest time as mobian seemed like an obvious scumread
[18:28:16] ‹Calindu› Root appears to be very quiet, but I don't believe he'll play like that if he were mafia
[18:28:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Studying usually helps.
[18:28:44] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Has anyone seen ARTH or aves around? I'm curious where we stand on brawl stuff.
[18:28:47] ‹MasterWalks› If we were lynching for information, i think ian would give us some decent info. If we were lynching for reactions, not too sure. If we were lynching for mafia kill, espi would be the best target.
[18:28:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› it doesnt help
[18:28:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ive been trying
[18:29:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ARTH just posted
[18:29:22] ‹ddevans96› I think the strongest read in the game is you on Espi
[18:29:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› read the forum post before you lel
[18:29:30] ‹ddevans96› with the second being shock on iancu
[18:29:43] ‹ddevans96› that's the only two reads that have been strongly pushed
[18:29:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how much time till day end?
[18:29:57] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[18:29:59] ‹kaempfer13› those are the ones with the most confidence behind them i guess
[18:30:17] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› In the few seconds it took to go from forum to here he posted. It wasnt there a minute ago when I checked.
[18:30:18] ‹ddevans96› I think one of them makes the most sense to lynch - but we'd have to get all the votes on them from 0
[18:30:20] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock's vote is random at best
[18:30:22] ‹kaempfer13› but from players who quickly latch onto things
[18:30:28] ‹MasterWalks› i honestly think shock wants ian lynched for info, not a mafia read
[18:30:54] ‹ddevans96› maybe, but that's not what he's claiming
[18:30:59] ‹Calindu› I hardly believe we'll get much info by lynching ian
[18:31:15] ‹MasterWalks› shock is always like 70% lies 30% truth
[18:32:38] ‹Calindu› This vote feels random
[18:33:16] ‹kaempfer13› yh, basically makes it impossible to lynch anyone else, there was no need for it
[18:33:23] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that severely limits the chance of me not getting lynched - it's not a hammer but it may as well be one
[18:33:34] ‹ddevans96› we kinda have to go for jcj or MW now
[18:33:48] ‹ddevans96› and we'd need 2/3 people to do it
[18:34:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› this is so fun to watch when you know who the mafia is :sillyspin:
[18:34:52] ‹Espithel› I am 100% opposed to a Walk lynch.
[18:34:56] ‹kaempfer13› well i suppose thats one way to restore balance; sortof
[18:35:11] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I don't think a MW lynch is in the cards this round anyways
[18:35:14] ‹Calindu› I don't think lynching MW is a good idea for this round, he's playing too aggro to be mafia
[18:35:19] ‹Espithel› Jcj is fine. Evans is fine. Ian is fine. I don't like how wishy-washy we're being.
[18:35:33] ‹Espithel› (fine to lynch)
[18:35:39] ‹ddevans96› it's not really wishy washy, this feels pretty standard
[18:35:51] ‹ddevans96› 1) early push and you (and kinda) MW
[18:35:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Espithel› your face is fine
[18:35:58] ‹ddevans96› 2) strong push on me
[18:36:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ian, did i do that right
[18:36:08] ‹ddevans96› 3) attempted organized push on someone else
[18:36:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *sigh*
[18:36:52] ‹Calindu› Why are you guys seeing jcj as scummy?
[18:37:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Remember how last game he was all like "Let's not lynch D1, let's wait for more info"
[18:37:23] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how many mafia are there
[18:37:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Now he actually wants a D1 lynch.
[18:37:33] ‹ddevans96› 4 mafia, 15 others
[18:37:36] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a thin line, but it's something.
[18:37:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cool
[18:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere
[18:38:30] ‹Calindu› Well, I haven't played last game, but I believe info is more useful when you can PM
[18:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:38:45] ‹Calindu› So you can maybe afford to take it slower
[18:39:09] ‹Espithel› We probably are stressing too much about the day 1 lynch, to be honest.
[18:39:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't have any strong reads.
[18:39:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› And the only reason I previously voted for dd is to have a D1 lynch.
[18:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› If the vote is tied, does the deadline postpone or do we No Lynch?
[18:40:10] ‹ddevans96› we no lynch
[18:40:18] ‹ddevans96› so we don't want a tied vote in...20 minutes
[18:40:31] ‹MasterWalks› ok we need to break this tie
[18:40:43] ‹Espithel› On it
[18:40:45] ‹MasterWalks› I hate both targets
[18:40:57] ‹Calindu› There are 6 people that haven't voted yet
[18:41:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats fine. It hides garboid
[18:41:11] ‹kaempfer13› as in you want both dead or really like them?
[18:41:23] ‹MasterWalks› No i want neither of them lynched
[18:41:39] ‹MasterWalks› I like the people lol
[18:41:45] ‹MasterWalks› i hate the votes
[18:42:01] ‹Calindu› It hides graboid, but you don't need that many people hiding the graboid
[18:42:33] ‹ddevans96› agreed with Cal, ideally some of these non-voters vote soon
[18:42:44] ‹kaempfer13› there is a 1/3 chance mafia already found graboid
[18:42:46] ‹Espithel› I'll last-second vote if there's atie to begin the overtime.
[18:42:46] ‹ddevans96› I'd say 3-4 people defending graboid is optimal
[18:43:08] ‹ddevans96› oh, yeah, the deadline does move back slightly, to prevent vote-sniping at the very end
[18:43:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Because of the nk failing, right?
[18:43:16] ‹kaempfer13› if it even exists
[18:43:23] ‹kaempfer13› yh
[18:43:34] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's true, actually - that is one explanation for the lack of NK
[18:44:08] ‹Espithel› The other one is a blind heal, which I find hilariously unlikely but possible
[18:44:20] ‹ddevans96› it is technically a 1/19 chance
[18:44:40] ‹ddevans96› absurd, yeah, but it's mafia, sometimes you succeed on dumb luck
[18:44:53] ‹kaempfer13› there is eraph and guard i think
[18:45:13] ‹ddevans96› those are the other options, yeah - I think that's all of them
[18:45:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Guard protects against NK?\
[18:45:19] ‹ddevans96› unless they just...didn't send one in
[18:45:37] ‹MasterWalks› there is no way they didnt send one in
[18:45:48] ‹Espithel› Inb4 sub's a bastard mod
[18:45:49] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@iancudorinmarian› its higher on prio list
[18:45:56] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't think Guard blocks NK
[18:46:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› NK is not a secondary ability
[18:46:15] ‹ddevans96› yeah, rereading the ability, it definitely does
[18:46:26] ‹MasterWalks› Iridium ward? nahh that doesnt block NK. I had that ability last game
[18:47:22] ‹kaempfer13› damn should have really asked for clarification on that
[18:47:40] ‹kaempfer13› but guard not actually guarding is kinda weird
[18:47:53] ‹Espithel› 13 minutes until surprise buttsex tiebreaker vote.
[18:47:59] ‹moehrpi› I am very sure guard does nt affect NK.
[18:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› kinda. Its a roleblocking ability which some of us agreed not to use N0
[18:48:15] ‹ddevans96› it definitely does not*
[18:48:21] ‹ddevans96› sorry
[18:48:26] ‹ddevans96› i.e. I'm with iancu
[18:48:39] ‹Espithel› So, seraph, graboid, mafia's retarded
[18:48:51] ‹ddevans96› basically, yeah
[18:49:12] ‹moehrpi› Seraph, Grab, GA
[18:49:12] ‹Calindu› GA is also a possibility
[18:49:22] ‹Espithel› GA?
[18:49:29] ‹Calindu› Guardian Angel
[18:49:30] ‹Espithel› Wait, seraph and GA are different roles?
[18:49:31] ‹Espithel› fuck me
[18:49:31] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› i specifically explained why guard is the exception to the rule (whether it protects from the nightkill or not it gives quite a bit of information on use)
[18:50:05] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GA is just as likely as Seraph or Graboid
[18:50:11] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› It does not protect.
[18:50:28] ‹Espithel› Seraph/Graboid is more likely than GA, imo
[18:50:45] ‹Espithel› When you have healers, there's a WIFOM game of "do we heal someone good, or someone less important"
[18:50:55] ‹Calindu› No, think about it this way
[18:51:18] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting graboid is a 1/19 chance
[18:51:30] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting a target protected by GA is still 1/19
[18:51:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› That is true only if you are town.
[18:52:07] ‹Espithel› Yeah, but it's not 1/19.
[18:52:13] ‹Espithel› Because of the WIFOM game.
[18:52:18] ‹moehrpi› If you are mafia you know whether one of you is Grab/Serpah/GA and can skew the odds.
[18:52:47] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› WIFOM still results in a nash equilibrium.
[18:52:47] ‹Calindu› That's true, yeah, didn't consider that, but I still think it's comparable
[18:53:03] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› It absolutely is.
[18:53:29] ‹MasterWalks› we REALLY need a different target than jcj or dd
[18:53:42] ‹Calindu› Also, consider that it's more likely GA targets an experienced player, I believe mafia would do the same
[18:54:06] ‹ddevans96› I don't think we're getting one
[18:54:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› Any other suggestions, like yourself?
[18:54:46] ‹MasterWalks› It would not be wise to lynch me but its honeslty better than those 2.
[18:55:05] ‹Espithel› No it's not!
[18:55:15] ‹Espithel› Because you're 1000000,00000% town!
[18:55:21] ‹Espithel› Stop being suicidal walks
[18:55:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:55:25] ‹MasterWalks› Espi, Kaempf, ian, insig,
[18:55:26] ‹Mobian› Why so sure, Espi?
[18:55:31] ‹MasterWalks› all better than those 2
[18:56:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› ‹@ddevans96› Can you give further explanation to your JCJ scum-read other than he flip-flopped between lynch/no-lynch?
[18:56:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a hunch.
[18:56:30] ‹Mobian› It should be known that in 5 mins, unless someone votes on either JCJ or ddevans, or removes a vote from them, no lynch will occur
[18:56:36] ‹MasterWalks› god damnit
[18:56:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› jester
[18:56:51] ‹Espithel› If that happens, I'm going to last-second vote, mob
[18:56:54] ‹Espithel› Don't worry
[18:56:58] ‹MasterWalks› ian, vote someone else. JCJ is afk and moving and typing from a phone
[18:57:01] ‹ddevans96› already did so
[18:57:08] ‹ddevans96› the flip-flop isn't my scumread
[18:57:42] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 11:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere [2019-05-25 11:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:57:44] ‹moehrpi› I don't think ian is mafia. The claim of a blocked role makes me think otherwise. I am closely watching, however.
[18:57:52] ‹kaempfer13› wasnt there a rule for 5 minute extension with each vote?
[18:58:01] ‹Espithel› Yes. kae.
[18:58:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@MasterWalks› That has nothing to do with my scumread on him
[18:58:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› He's tunneling on me extremely hard.
[18:58:38] ‹Espithel› He's putting himself in stupidly large amounts of risk in doing so. If he's mafia, there is absolutely no reason to.
[18:58:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› Plus, he can then focus on moving :D
[18:58:45] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Thanks for the quote. Totally slipped my mind.
[18:58:49] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Espithel› you need to vote now to reset timer, btw
[18:58:49] ‹Espithel› It could be argued that it'd be actively hurting the mafia if he was.
[18:59:17] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:59:45] ‹Mobian› 1 min
[18:59:47] ‹Espithel› So, if walks is mafia, he's braindead. Walks isn't braindead.
[18:59:54] ‹Espithel› So I'm like pretty sure he's town.
[19:00:36] ‹Mobian› True to your word, last fucking second
[19:00:52] ‹Espithel› gottem
[19:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA
[19:01:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› lol
[19:01:44] ‹kaempfer13› my time reset vote would have been even closer, but thereis no need now
[19:02:17] ‹ddevans96› BY GOD, THAT'S SHOCKCANNON'S MUSIC
[19:02:18] ‹MasterWalks› DAMNIT SHOCK
[19:02:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› lmao
[19:02:27] ‹kaempfer13› I like JcJ as a person, so a little sad, but no ingamerelated objections here
[19:02:43] ‹kaempfer13› huh
[19:02:49] ‹Mobian› DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMNNNNNNN
[19:02:58] ‹Mobian› Shock swoops in with a save
[19:03:33] ‹MasterWalks› I object lynching JCJ but i think its better than dd
[19:03:37] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Did you put in that vote because of your scum-read on iancu?
[19:04:03] ‹shockcannon› I put that in so we don’t lunch
[19:04:10] ‹shockcannon› Lynch
[19:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› wy
[19:04:19] ‹MasterWalks› why
[19:04:26] ‹MasterWalks› no lynch is a terrible idea
[19:04:31] ‹kaempfer13› I do wonder actually
[19:04:40] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock doing shock things again
[19:04:41] ‹MasterWalks› litterally everyone is opposed to it. Thats probably why you want to. Hipster
[19:04:46] ‹Mobian› MW counter'd your play, shock
[19:04:48] ‹shockcannon› Ian you’re mad. Shut up
[19:04:54] ‹shockcannon› Maf*
[19:05:00] ‹Mobian› Not everyone, MW....
[19:05:06] ‹kaempfer13› weve seen most of the information we could get from the lynch other than the roleflipping on death
[19:05:14] ‹MasterWalks› you want no lynch too?
[19:05:21] ‹MasterWalks› why tf do you want no lynch
[19:05:24] ‹kaempfer13› not really
[19:05:46] ‹Mobian› Because we don't have much intel to accuse anyone on
[19:05:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, I'm fundamentally opposed to no lynch, but I do see why people aren't
[19:05:48] ‹ddevans96› for d1 at least
[19:06:01] ‹Mobian› At this point it's all just bickering
[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch
[19:06:06] ‹kaempfer13› roleflipping and the chance of getting mafia should be worth it
[19:07:01] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I should vote shock...
[19:07:14] ‹Mobian› But on D1 without any confirmed intel we're just shooting blind
[19:07:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› do eetttt
[19:07:20] ‹kaempfer13› from a statistical perspective town has to always lynch
[19:07:24] ‹MasterWalks› dont you dare move your vote
[19:07:38] ‹Mobian› Sure, we MIGHT hit a mafia, but it's more likely to kill a town
[19:07:54] ‹kaempfer13› but psychology makes everything muddy
[19:07:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› "[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch" thats wrong btw, though i probs cant talk much cause im not playing in this one
[19:07:57] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Do you want to know the best way to get confirmed intel?
[19:07:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› No, odds change/improve on later days.
[19:07:59] ‹Espithel› Killing people.
[19:08:20] ‹MasterWalks› I agree 1000% with espi
[19:08:39] ‹ddevans96› day is now final, I believe
[19:08:54] ‹Mobian› Perhaps, but it doesn't sit right with me
[19:09:01] ‹ddevans96› shock's vote is late lmao
[19:09:04] ‹Mobian› I need to go to the bank. Back in a bit
[19:09:36] ‹kaempfer13› yep on my clock shock votedtoo late
[19:09:46] ‹MasterWalks› lol shock was late by 30 sec
[19:10:01] ‹MasterWalks› need to practice you typing speed shock
[19:10:11] ‹shockcannon› I was late on purpose
[19:10:20] ‹PlayerOa› Oh wow that's a lot of chat history to read :silly:
[19:10:23] ‹ddevans96› for memes? understandable
[19:10:28] ‹shockcannon› I had a last minute idea
[19:10:29] ‹Kameqo› Right?
[19:10:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› 25 seconds late lul
[19:10:46] ‹Calindu› rip
[19:10:50] ‹kaempfer13› damn he really was ga
[19:10:58] ‹Kameqo› GA?
[19:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› wow
[19:11:05] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 12:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA < lmao, good call
[19:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› :D
[19:11:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol sub and link about to feud
[19:11:53] ‹Espithel› Hm.
[19:11:59] ‹Espithel› Is it possible that jcj was the nightkill?
[19:12:04] ‹Espithel› Can he protect himself?
[19:12:25] ‹PlayerOa› Angel??
[19:12:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› yeah
[19:12:44] ‹Espithel› Because if they can that would actually make GA as equal to block the nightkill as grabby
[19:13:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[19:13:30] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› only every other round on same target
[19:13:36] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› I don't think you understand how numbers work.
[19:13:59] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Numbers are those things that go up and down
[19:14:05] ‹Espithel› Right?
[19:14:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› Yes, also lifts.
[19:15:32] ‹Espithel› Do lifts rotate into another dimension if you multiply them by the square root of -1?
[19:16:11] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[19:16:39] ‹Kameqo› Also I love that math joke
[19:16:41] ‹kaempfer13› ToS is also a mafiastyle game so sorta
[19:16:54] ‹Kameqo› Good stuff man that was great
[19:16:59] ‹Kameqo› Imaginary numbers are wack
[19:17:01] ‹Kameqo› What game is this?
[19:17:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› etg
[19:17:39] ‹Kameqo› Ethyl glucuronide?
[19:17:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› elements the game
[19:18:02] ‹moehrpi› It's mafia.
[19:18:58] ‹Kameqo› Just called mafia?
[19:19:17] ‹moehrpi› Yep.
[19:19:25] ‹moehrpi› Or werewolves.
[19:19:26] ‹Kameqo› Mk
[19:19:39] ‹Kameqo› Wait what
[19:20:01] ‹kaempfer13› there are many names for games in its style, but this standard mafia with etgthemed secondary roles
[19:20:01] ‹moehrpi› Two different names for the same game.
[19:20:33] ‹Kameqo› Ohhh okay
[19:20:39] ‹Kameqo› That's pretty cool
[19:20:45] ‹Kameqo› How have you guys been playing it?
[19:21:04] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[19:21:10] ‹kaempfer13› dreadfully, we killed one of our best allies
[19:21:37] ‹Mobian› Yup, we surely did
[19:22:02] ‹Espithel› So.
[19:22:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› maybe its not your ally :sillyspin:
[19:22:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› You want me roleblocked, yeah?
[19:22:20] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason?
[19:22:38] ‹MasterWalks› Cuz your mafia and you didnt get lynched
[19:22:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in mafia you are always town :sillyspin:
[19:22:53] ‹Espithel› I think you should be roleblocked because you're mafia and you didn't get lynched.
[19:23:07] ‹Espithel› :^)
[19:23:57] ‹MasterWalks› vaild point
[19:23:59] ‹Mobian› Or you're both mafia, and bussing each other
[19:24:16] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:24:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› or everyones a town this game because bastard mod
[19:24:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› that'd be very fun
[19:24:55] ‹MasterWalks› we arent throwing each other under the bus, we are jumping under it together.
[19:25:22] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the point of the game is to figure it out before we killed 11 people :sillyspin:
[19:25:22] ‹Mobian› I still wish Manny was playing
[19:25:41] ‹Espithel› Could you at least throw me under a train, at least?
[19:25:48] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Mobian› A man can dream...
[19:26:13] ‹MasterWalks› I asked him but no response :/ He would probably just vote and not explain anything.
[19:26:45] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› he'd find a way to troll
[19:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i petition to be put into this mafia as the roll that wasnt used
[19:27:27] ‹Calindu› The roles are random, so there could be multiple of one role
[19:27:34] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh
[19:27:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› rip
[19:27:40] ‹Mobian› Who are you?
[19:27:48] ‹MasterWalks› "If I jOiN MaFiA i WiLl JoIn OtHeR eVeNtS"
[19:27:50] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› inb4 dd and jcj both GA :sillyspin:
[19:28:11] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› its w3 on a new device
[19:28:24] ‹Mobian› Ah
[19:33:43] ‹kaempfer13› Also sorry JcJ
[19:34:17] ‹kaempfer13› maybe one day we'll be on the same team and you wont become irrelevant/inactive day 1
[19:34:24] ‹Mobian› No point in apologizing to a corpse.
[19:34:50] ‹shockcannon› You idiots
[19:35:02] ‹Espithel› YOU FLAMING IDIOTS
[19:35:03] ‹Espithel› TAKE THIS!
[19:35:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› kae mafia confirmed?
[19:35:51] ‹Espithel› ...Actually, yeah.
[19:35:55] ‹Espithel› Kae, that's a bit of an awkward thing to say.
[19:36:13] ‹kaempfer13› ya, but we get along pretty well and yet failed to ever work together in team games, even though war and pipeworks both were great opportunities
[19:36:29] ‹Mobian› I did apologize to MW after I got him killed...
[19:36:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› learn2read, nubs
[19:36:46] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, I know
[19:36:54] ‹Espithel› I'm not going to make a thing out of it.
[19:37:03] ‹Espithel› But damn that could be taken the wrong way
[19:37:29] ‹Espithel› Also only Daddy Shock gets to call me a noob >:(
[19:38:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› okay what was your sus of jcj then if it wasnt about the afk
[19:39:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› I told you, it was a hunch
[19:39:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:39:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› A bad one, as it turns out.
[19:41:15] ‹Linkcat› Fuck
[19:41:21] ‹Linkcat› I missed deadline
[19:41:28] ‹Linkcat› Who died?
[19:41:35] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› You were the one that actually chose to lynch JCJ
[19:41:35] ‹Mobian› JCJ
[19:41:36] ‹moehrpi› GA
[19:41:37] ‹moehrpi› JCJ
[19:41:38] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› JCJ
[19:41:39] ‹Calindu› GA
[19:41:42] ‹moehrpi› Your vote did not matter.
[19:41:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› shit
[19:41:50] ‹Mobian› Town
[19:42:04] ‹Espithel› You know who we should've lynched?
[19:42:06] ‹Espithel› Sub.
[19:42:12] ‹Linkcat› Good shit guys
[19:42:39] ‹Espithel› oooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:42:42] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Spicy
[19:42:53] ‹Espithel› Was it himself?
[19:43:13] ‹Espithel› ...I like how that looks like a sword.
[19:43:34] ‹Espithel› ooooo(OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:43:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› I voted to break tie
[19:43:58] ‹MasterWalks› any lynch is better than no lynch
[19:44:37] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› I still disagree.
[19:44:55] ‹Linkcat› I probably would have just kept my vote on dd.
[19:44:58] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› But you could have chosen to lynch dd instead
[19:45:18] ‹Linkcat› Well, I need to go to a party, will check in later.
[19:45:57] ‹MasterWalks› I figured jcj to still be better than dd
[19:46:05] ‹kaempfer13› deja vu; nk failing on jcj n0
[19:46:22] ‹MasterWalks› idk anymore but dd seemed less sus than jcj
[19:46:47] ‹Calindu› That's what I don't get, why jcj was seen a better lynch than dd
[19:47:28] ‹Espithel› dd is "helpful to the town"
[19:47:30] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:47:39] ‹MasterWalks› jcj was very little help last game iirc.
[19:47:39] ‹Espithel› Or, rather.
[19:47:44] ‹Espithel› "more helpful to the town"
[19:47:44] ‹MasterWalks› and he was totally active
[19:47:45] ‹Calindu› I feel like he was chosen in the end because it was easy to coordinate on him, he was not here, he didn't really communicate much
[19:48:13] ‹Calindu› It doesn't matter who's more helpful, it matters who is more likely to be mafia
[19:48:14] ‹MasterWalks› I disagree. For me anyways, i just saw more value in dd
[19:48:20] ‹Espithel› This is true.
[19:48:28] ‹MasterWalks› Well if that was the case, yall shouldve voted espi
[19:48:34] ‹Espithel› As in, mafia being more likely is more important.
[19:48:37] ‹MasterWalks› but nooo i have tunnel vision
[19:48:59] ‹Espithel› https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_-NIo79GfwbA%2FTAC9ErCXQcI%2FAAAAAAAAG9g%2FwAHfS9F3og4%2Fs1600%2FNew%2Btunnel.jpg&f=1
[19:49:40] ‹Calindu› Because you did tunnel vision, you probably saw something small and you just followed that
[19:49:56] ‹Calindu› I saw no real reason why you think Espithel is mafia
[19:51:18] ‹kaempfer13› how can ian actually know who jcj targeted if his ability failed?
[19:51:34] ‹kaempfer13› i guess he couldve lied once
[19:51:39] ‹Mobian› 1
[19:52:26] ‹Calindu› Maybe ian targeted someone and his ability failed because of GA
[19:52:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I'm not saying any more, but it should be easy to figure out.
[19:53:59] ‹Espithel› Stop giving shock justifiable positions
[19:54:00] ‹Espithel› >:(
[19:54:02] ‹kaempfer13› oh ga prevents offensive roles too
[19:54:15] ‹Calindu› Well, it's either him or the person you targeted
[19:54:22] ‹MasterWalks› I think shock is FFQ, if thats worth anything
[19:55:03] ‹Calindu› Why is that?
[19:55:31] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that seems plausible. FFQ over dragonfly, though?
[19:55:34] ‹kaempfer13› if so and dd is to be trusted he very likely only knows that dd neither acted nor was acted on
[19:55:52] ‹shockcannon› Wanna hear a hot take?
[19:55:54] ‹kaempfer13› ofc multiple ffq are possible
[19:56:01] ‹shockcannon› 3 mafia voted on JCJ
[19:56:21] ‹kaempfer13› very hot indeed
[19:56:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Then mafia are incredibly stupid.
[19:56:34] ‹ddevans96› make sure all of this gets logged, I'm packing for the weekend
[19:56:40] ‹ddevans96› I'll respond to the log later
[19:56:45] ‹kaempfer13› i dont think theyd expose themselves that much
[19:56:49] ‹Espithel› THERE'S TOO MUCH TO LOG
[19:56:51] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[19:56:52] ‹MasterWalks› He wants several rounds to info dump, he probably targeted high risk people first round hence targeting dd, and he is being carefully reckless
[19:56:52] ‹shockcannon› Mafia went for the double mindgate
[19:57:04] ‹moehrpi› Well, if dd is mafia there is at least one more mafia on the train.
[19:57:21] ‹moehrpi› me, root, ian, espi
[19:57:25] ‹moehrpi› not counting mw
[19:57:40] ‹ddevans96› (bonus: highlight things in the log you want my response to)
[19:58:12] ‹kaempfer13› a mafia member is fairly unlikely to catch a firefly imo, although its easy to lie about it ofc
[19:58:27] ‹Calindu› But if shock targeted dd, then the only info he could have gotten is that dd didn't use any ability and was not targeted by one either
[19:58:28] ‹moehrpi› I am also struggling to see how ian can know JCJ target.
[19:59:08] ‹moehrpi› Unless he tried to poison/eat someone, he can see if he was healed?, his mafia buddies told him.
[19:59:15] ‹Calindu› ‹@kaempfer13› I don't think it's easy to lie about it, I don't see FFQ as a powerful role, I'd gladly sacrifice myself as a FFQ to out a mafia
[20:00:39] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› guard and gotp are also offensive roles
[20:00:57] ‹moehrpi› not blocked by heal
[20:01:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:01:37] ‹kaempfer13› i reread it to check if it can block roles, seems to state all offensive ones
[20:01:39] ‹Calindu› I think they are blocked by heal
[20:02:35] ‹kaempfer13› squid and flayer would be scummy to use though
[20:03:12] ‹moehrpi› Heal has a lower priority. That wouldn't make sense.
[20:03:48] ‹moehrpi› So the only way it can fail is if it targets someone who was healed the night before or the same night?
[20:03:57] ‹kaempfer13› oh forgot about priorities
[20:04:31] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why dont you all talk in thread
[20:04:41] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› its eassier then chatting in here and copying this to thread
[20:04:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (for people who arent here)
[20:04:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› chat log is so ugly
[20:05:20] ‹MasterWalks› Its easier to speculate here
[20:05:53] ‹kaempfer13› for quick talking forum requires too much refreshing
[20:06:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› Channeled my inner shock
[20:06:14] ‹MasterWalks› Some of us should list scum reads in the forum tho. Like a full list of all reads they have
[20:06:38] ‹Mobian› Yup, when I run a game, I'd like to use a separate discord channel
[20:06:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in my maf, ill ban chat talk. While it has its benefits, people who arent as active and cant be in chat all the time, its an annoyance to them
[20:07:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but im never hosting a maf
[20:07:13] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ill just have to be FGO and then do a link and veto anything else
[20:07:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› tbh, I'm fine with a chatlog instead of just having 20 pages each day.
[20:08:01] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› As random as that may seem, I actually kind of agree with that lol
[20:08:16] ‹Linkcat› Lmao
[20:08:19] ‹Linkcat› True
[20:08:39] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› But what if you want to bandwagon your GA within 30 minutes and need four more votes?
[20:09:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› wat
[20:09:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› go beg in thread. chat's fine for small mafia related qs here and there
[20:09:44] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not for a full on discussion and thoughts
[20:09:48] ‹MasterWalks› Chat log is friendlier for mobile than forum
[20:09:51] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› wat 'wat'?
[20:09:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› much easier to read posts then a chat log
[20:10:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *than
[20:10:35] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i hate how chat log looks on forum, its so ugly
[20:10:43] ‹Calindu› It's easier to communicate in small messages than wall of texts
[20:10:47] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and having to see who typed each chat message is a pain too
[20:10:59] ‹MasterWalks› Just post a series of screen shots
[20:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› can w3 participate by posting all the chat logs?
[20:11:20] ‹moehrpi› If you need to read up forum is easier. The information in chat is just so light.
[20:11:23] ‹Linkcat› Sure
[20:11:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there, i got you into mafia
[20:11:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no
[20:11:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not posting chatlogs ew
[20:11:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ugly
[20:12:14] ‹MasterWalks› Make them beautiful! you are a model after all
[20:12:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Make them pretty! With colours! :)
[20:12:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no ew
[20:14:18] ‹MasterWalks› damnit mobian. not again
[20:14:39] ‹Calindu› Wow
[20:15:42] ‹PlayerOa› Can't help but seeing that as kind of a red flag
[20:15:59] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In regards to my salt or ian's asinine accusation?
[20:16:49] ‹MasterWalks› salt
[20:17:02] ‹MasterWalks› Mobian? more like Mortons
[20:17:25] ‹Mobian› I do live in Salt Lake City
[20:17:33] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› Mafia is in the drivers seat right now and they’re in fourth gear
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› But are they smart enough to kill me enough before I lay down the road tacks?
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nope, im only third gear right now
[20:18:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› got more gears to go
[20:20:28] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In all seriousness, though, what new intel have we gained, aside from knowing we killed a friend?
[20:20:59] ‹kaempfer13› everyone that voted for him is more suspicious now
[20:23:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:23:42] ‹Mobian› Maybe
[20:24:50] ‹Mobian› My theory is shaping up to be a lil different. If I survive the next lynch, I'll put words to it
[20:25:20] ‹PlayerOa› Gj cillessen, I have money on Barcelona :(
[20:28:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› wheres ter stegen?
[20:28:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and suarez
[20:29:58] ‹PlayerOa› Guess Cillessen is cup keeper
[20:30:02] ‹PlayerOa› Suarez no idea
[20:30:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› just read, stegen is injured
[20:30:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› Id say quite a bit. We have a possible answer for N0 no kill, sus of people who started the bandwagon, and tbh losing GA isnt all that bad since they cant protect GN
[20:31:03] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:31:12] ‹MasterWalks› I mean its still bad we lost a town, but it wasnt the worst role to lose
[20:31:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Oh that's a shame, best gk in the world atm along with oblak imo
[20:31:34] ‹MasterWalks› sucks he couldnt defend himself
[20:32:22] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hmm
[20:32:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ederson is really solid ngl
[20:32:54] ‹Calindu› Allison has also been there this year
[20:32:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and with kepa, you get additional bonus that you dont need a manager
[20:33:00] ‹Mobian› There is no defense against Lynch, aside from reason.
[20:33:17] ‹Calindu› And De Gea kind of sucked for the second part of the season
[20:33:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh
[20:33:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› most likely due to contract issues
[20:33:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› best to get rid of him and get some money
[20:33:50] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› You think so?
[20:33:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› romero is class, we can put romero as first choice for one season atleast
[20:34:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› while we rebuild the other aspects
[20:34:01] ‹PlayerOa› Romero is good yeah
[20:34:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cause we desperately need CB, RB, midfield and RW
[20:34:12] ‹MasterWalks› him doing a role reveal wouldnt have been a terrible idea and would've likely saved him from lynch if he said he used it N0
[20:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Sorting out RB, RW and CB is first priority
[20:34:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:34:29] ‹PlayerOa› Fckkkkkk valencia 2-0
[20:34:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield too imo
[20:34:42] ‹Calindu›
[20:34:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield is shambles. we got no one
[20:34:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› herrera gone, matic too old no
[20:34:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› now*
[20:34:53] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Scott<3
[20:34:57] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› You guys are act so bad at mafia
[20:35:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pogba needs to fix up a bit
[20:35:23] ‹Calindu› Pogba will leave too
[20:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› RB > RW > CB = CM
[20:35:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh, id cash in on pogba too
[20:35:39] ‹PlayerOa› If pogba leaves then CM first
[20:35:41] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[20:35:43] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› sell pogba lukaku degea, get money
[20:35:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› invest in youngsters
[20:35:53] ‹Mobian› Maybe short term, but if the mafia didn't kill him, everyone would accuse him of being dirty
[20:35:56] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› get deligt
[20:36:00] ‹PlayerOa› Daniel James looks interesting
[20:36:07] ‹PlayerOa› De ligt would be a dream...
[20:36:14] ‹PlayerOa› Along with Sancho
[20:36:26] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› theres a better chance now of de ligt coming to utd than before
[20:36:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› barca obvs still favs
[20:36:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but the van de sar link will help
[20:36:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and he'll be our no1 for sure
[20:36:49] ‹PlayerOa› Seems like lfc's in the race too
[20:37:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cant see de ligt going to lfc
[20:37:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› van de sar not gonna let him XD
[20:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if barca lose this match today, theyre gonna go hard in transfer
[20:37:43] ‹PlayerOa› :D
[20:40:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hopefully that will mean barca go for mbappe and griezzmans free for us LOL
[20:41:05] ‹Calindu› I can't see barca going for mbappe
[20:41:15] ‹Calindu› No way PSG lets him go there
[20:44:41] ‹PlayerOa› It's a shame ibra got his injury
[20:48:06] ‹MasterWalks› Someone want to chat log post this monster?
[20:48:21] ‹MasterWalks› conversation has shifted to soccer
[20:51:45] ‹Mobian› When I get home
[20:52:03] ‹Calindu› Did you just call football as soccer?
[20:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› U.S.A
[20:52:21] ‹Espithel› He's not mafia, but he's certainly scum.
[20:52:25] ‹Espithel› >:(
[20:52:26] ‹MasterWalks› I like the Chivas
[20:52:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ew
[20:55:36] ‹Mobian› He called it soccer, I call it pointless. FITE ME
[20:55:53] ‹MasterWalks› its not pointless
[20:55:58] ‹MasterWalks› the cleats have points on them
[20:56:16] ‹Calindu› You made a powerful enemy today
[20:56:38] ‹Mobian› ROFL
[20:58:06] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[21:00:36] ‹PlayerOa› I'm with you cal
[21:02:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:09:39] ‹MasterWalks› why do people have L/J on?
[21:10:42] ‹Calindu› Because I like to see when people join or leave
[21:11:57] ‹MasterWalks› it crowds it so bad tho and you can see whos here already
[21:12:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› news says utd very close to signing de ligt???
[21:12:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why they getting my hopes up
[21:12:36] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Really?
[21:13:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› idk i just googled man utd
[21:13:06] ‹PlayerOa› Edwin's at the wheel
[21:13:09] ‹PlayerOa› lol
[21:13:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and first three articles said very close
[21:13:45] ‹Calindu› There's a very reputable source for that
[21:14:17] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Which?
[21:14:29] ‹Calindu› Gerard Romero
[21:14:46] ‹Calindu› I heard he's pretty accurate for Barca news
[21:14:47] ‹PlayerOa› de Ligt has been liking an instagram post by Lukaku, lol
[21:14:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› on that note, bring edwin as technical director with you, de ligt
[21:15:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› he also liked rio ferdinannds
[21:15:12] ‹Calindu› He said that de ligt got a very good offer from man utd
[21:15:15] ‹PlayerOa› Messi hits the post fml
[21:15:56] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› That's even more interesting tbh
[21:16:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› he'll be tested more if hes at utd, and i feel hes the kinda guy who will want that challenge. plus utd offer him more money for sure
[21:20:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there arent many good RBs around this window are there?
[21:20:25] ‹PlayerOa› Wan Bissaka would be the most likely I guess
[21:20:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh him
[21:20:44] ‹PlayerOa› pretty solid player
[21:23:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why are transfers taking so long, hurry up teams, i want to see transfer business
[21:24:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Chief transfer muppet
[21:25:25] ‹PlayerOa› Nah just kidding. I'd like to see some business as well, looks like they're sorting out James at least
[21:26:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not just from utd, but in general
[21:27:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no signings so far
[21:27:34] ‹PlayerOa› Pulisic
[21:28:24] ‹Linkcat› I'm on mobile, someone post the chat log.
[21:29:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pulisic got done before tho
[21:29:26] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah fair enough
[21:29:47] ‹PlayerOa› Dortmund had a couple nice ones
[21:29:54] ‹PlayerOa› Brandt and T. Hazard
[21:30:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh
[21:32:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› seems like barca are only gonna win la liga this yr
[21:32:21] ‹PlayerOa› 2-1 gogogo
[21:32:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the only thing i watched in la liga was the iago aspas story, what a guy
[21:32:28] ‹MasterWalks› Espithel
[21:32:30] ‹PlayerOa› nice jinx
[21:32:39] ‹MasterWalks› can you post since youve been here tho whole time?
[21:33:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nw
[21:41:51] ‹Espithel› Post about what?
[21:42:15] ‹MasterWalks› the chat log
[21:43:12] ‹Espithel› I guess. Gimmie a sec.
[21:48:50] ‹shockcannon› lol jcj in chat
[21:48:54] ‹shockcannon› apologize to him now
[21:51:53] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[21:56:04] ‹MasterWalks›
[21:58:29] ‹vagman13› aaw por jcj :(
[21:58:48] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› So much Amusement
[21:59:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› Its just not meant to be
[22:00:00] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› Wish could say more
[22:00:18] ‹Espithel› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› See you in forum brawl?
[22:00:55] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› 😘
[22:01:08] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› you can say more to me
[22:01:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not playing
[22:03:48] ‹vagman13› you arsefaces lynching jcjc, i said when in doubt , always lynch ian :sillyspin:
Post by: Submachine on May 25, 2019, 09:28:05 pm
Only a few will understand the meme.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 10:02:40 pm
[16:43:26] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you mention anywhere that you wouldn't be as active as last mafia? Or is it because dd and Link are already doing the lion's share of posting/analysis?
[16:43:54] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I am just confused that late-game iancu posted a lot more than early-game iancu does.
[16:45:07] ‹moehrpi› [22:47:54] ‹Espithel› 'The first mafia lynch is the biggest information dump in the game.' I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit. :)
[16:52:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› I can't contribute much tbh.
[16:53:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› I only really step forward when there's no discussion.
[16:58:23] ‹Guest-Archangel-5bddf› He’s mafia
[17:00:48] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:21:58] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[17:22:04] ‹Guest-FireflyQueen-3c571› hey
[17:32:14] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Sure. Until we know who a single mafia is, a lot of our information is weak because nothing's certain.
[17:32:33] ‹Espithel› Once we get the first lynch, we can look at how other people reacted to that mafia.
[17:33:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› That makes a lot of sense. I actually just misread.
[17:33:28] ‹moehrpi› I thought about the first Nightkill. Somehow I missed 'lynch'...
[17:33:49] ‹moehrpi› Thanks for clearing that up. :flinch:
[17:34:43] ‹Espithel› Another truism is that if we've got one scum, we can look at previous nightkills to try and see why the mafia killed those people. Maybe they said something another mafia member didn't like?
[17:35:46] ‹Espithel› We can't really do that until we've got one kill because of the good old toxic townie motif: I'm defending Walks super, super hard, for example. So if I flip scum, it's going to look real, real bad on him.
[17:35:58] ‹Espithel› Ditto cal/kae.
[17:36:26] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, the mafia like to use that to try and make somebody look scummy.
[17:48:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› btw link said that there’s a chance that maf hasn’t voted
[17:48:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Not Evans
[17:52:18] ‹Espithel› fuck.
[17:52:28] ‹Espithel› Point remains!
[18:00:19] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:09:09] ‹kaempfer13› hm, I did say that i would move my lynch vote at the end of the day
[18:09:49] ‹kaempfer13› dont really feel comfortable with the choices though
[18:10:48] ‹kaempfer13› also kinda want to use the who function not for ingame reasons (atleast not really) but just to see how many people would be ready to react intime for the lynch
[18:12:58] ‹ddevans96› so what're we thinking?
[18:14:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› Is it the question whether you divulge information and it's bad if it doesn't lead to a lynch? If that is not the case do it now.
[18:16:05] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› No scum-read so far. I am a bit surprised to see Root without any votes while some people have expressed scepticism.
[18:16:21] ‹vagman13›
[18:16:38] ‹ddevans96› hm
[18:16:46] ‹ddevans96› is anyone opposed to a jcj lynch?
[18:16:53] ‹kaempfer13› fair point
[18:17:21] ‹MasterWalks› The only scum i am reading from jcj is he is not as aggro as last game
[18:17:58] ‹kaempfer13› but many of the things that make jcj look scummy are explainable with things not related to things that are different this game
[18:18:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats not even really scummy. dude has said he wont be that active until monday and that all posts are coming from his phone
[18:18:42] ‹MasterWalks› i guess i would say i am against a jcj lynch
[18:18:44] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I asked somewhere earlier when there was no real motivation to lynch what we could gain from it. But neither votes for nor by him seem to be doing anything.
[18:19:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› I am against most if not all lynches. But I am against no-lynch.
[18:19:49] ‹ddevans96› okay. is anyone opposed to a MW lynch?
[18:19:54] ‹ddevans96› (MW need not answer)
[18:20:03] ‹MasterWalks› yes i am
[18:20:07] ‹MasterWalks› oh
[18:20:12] ‹ddevans96› :thinking:
[18:20:51] ‹Calindu› I don't find jcj scummy tbh, I don't think activity is a good way of deciding a lynch
[18:21:11] ‹ddevans96› I have a scumread on jcj unrelated to activity
[18:21:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› Same
[18:21:30] ‹kaempfer13› I have no strong feelings about any lynch (but my own ofc)
[18:21:50] ‹ddevans96› it's very light, but so is every other read for me rn
[18:22:16] ‹kaempfer13› day 1lynch is basically always going to be town, since mafia can easily counterbalance things
[18:22:28] ‹moehrpi› For my liking MW is too easily swayed. Then again I might be the same if I didn't just vote on anyone and decided to give it some time aterwards. I don't think it's scummy.
[18:22:31] ‹MasterWalks› not if we lynch espi it wont be town
[18:22:39] ‹kaempfer13› although if they do it too much it betrays them
[18:22:46] ‹ddevans96› essentially, yes, town lynch d1 is highly likely
[18:22:51] ‹moehrpi› Although some arguments seemed to have some holes, again not scummy.
[18:23:29] ‹ddevans96› so new question: how many people have their vote on someone that isn't their biggest scumread?
[18:24:01] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I do.
[18:24:39] ‹ddevans96› if you could choose any lynch, who would it be?
[18:25:31] ‹kaempfer13› I guess I could say mw isnt my biggest scumread rn, but alternatives arent much more scummy to me
[18:25:47] ‹ddevans96› who are your alternatives?
[18:26:21] ‹ddevans96› bc it seems like we don't really want to lynch either MW or jcj, and obviously I don't want to lynch myself, so is there any other option?
[18:26:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how does one revise anatomy, theres so much info
[18:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› like its not going to stay in my brain
[18:27:12] ‹kaempfer13› I wanted to have another take of root, but most of that is an inkling feeling he lost his skills
[18:27:21] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› I could drop a few names but it would most likely be related to activity and wouldn't do the others justice as it is a very weak read if you can call it that.
[18:27:38] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:27:40] ‹ddevans96› Root is insanely smart, no way he lost his sense of logic
[18:27:53] ‹ddevans96› that was suggested yesterday do, I don't know that I buy it
[18:28:12] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia i didnt realize he was confirmed towny for the longest time as mobian seemed like an obvious scumread
[18:28:16] ‹Calindu› Root appears to be very quiet, but I don't believe he'll play like that if he were mafia
[18:28:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Studying usually helps.
[18:28:44] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Has anyone seen ARTH or aves around? I'm curious where we stand on brawl stuff.
[18:28:47] ‹MasterWalks› If we were lynching for information, i think ian would give us some decent info. If we were lynching for reactions, not too sure. If we were lynching for mafia kill, espi would be the best target.
[18:28:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› it doesnt help
[18:28:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ive been trying
[18:29:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ARTH just posted
[18:29:22] ‹ddevans96› I think the strongest read in the game is you on Espi
[18:29:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› read the forum post before you lel
[18:29:30] ‹ddevans96› with the second being shock on iancu
[18:29:43] ‹ddevans96› that's the only two reads that have been strongly pushed
[18:29:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how much time till day end?
[18:29:57] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[18:29:59] ‹kaempfer13› those are the ones with the most confidence behind them i guess
[18:30:17] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› In the few seconds it took to go from forum to here he posted. It wasnt there a minute ago when I checked.
[18:30:18] ‹ddevans96› I think one of them makes the most sense to lynch - but we'd have to get all the votes on them from 0
[18:30:20] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock's vote is random at best
[18:30:22] ‹kaempfer13› but from players who quickly latch onto things
[18:30:28] ‹MasterWalks› i honestly think shock wants ian lynched for info, not a mafia read
[18:30:54] ‹ddevans96› maybe, but that's not what he's claiming
[18:30:59] ‹Calindu› I hardly believe we'll get much info by lynching ian
[18:31:15] ‹MasterWalks› shock is always like 70% lies 30% truth
[18:32:38] ‹Calindu› This vote feels random
[18:33:16] ‹kaempfer13› yh, basically makes it impossible to lynch anyone else, there was no need for it
[18:33:23] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that severely limits the chance of me not getting lynched - it's not a hammer but it may as well be one
[18:33:34] ‹ddevans96› we kinda have to go for jcj or MW now
[18:33:48] ‹ddevans96› and we'd need 2/3 people to do it
[18:34:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› this is so fun to watch when you know who the mafia is :sillyspin:
[18:34:52] ‹Espithel› I am 100% opposed to a Walk lynch.
[18:34:56] ‹kaempfer13› well i suppose thats one way to restore balance; sortof
[18:35:11] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I don't think a MW lynch is in the cards this round anyways
[18:35:14] ‹Calindu› I don't think lynching MW is a good idea for this round, he's playing too aggro to be mafia
[18:35:19] ‹Espithel› Jcj is fine. Evans is fine. Ian is fine. I don't like how wishy-washy we're being.
[18:35:33] ‹Espithel› (fine to lynch)
[18:35:39] ‹ddevans96› it's not really wishy washy, this feels pretty standard
[18:35:51] ‹ddevans96› 1) early push and you (and kinda) MW
[18:35:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@Espithel› your face is fine
[18:35:58] ‹ddevans96› 2) strong push on me
[18:36:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ian, did i do that right
[18:36:08] ‹ddevans96› 3) attempted organized push on someone else
[18:36:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *sigh*
[18:36:52] ‹Calindu› Why are you guys seeing jcj as scummy?
[18:37:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Remember how last game he was all like "Let's not lynch D1, let's wait for more info"
[18:37:23] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› how many mafia are there
[18:37:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Now he actually wants a D1 lynch.
[18:37:33] ‹ddevans96› 4 mafia, 15 others
[18:37:36] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a thin line, but it's something.
[18:37:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› 4
[18:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cool
[18:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere
[18:38:30] ‹Calindu› Well, I haven't played last game, but I believe info is more useful when you can PM
[18:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:38:45] ‹Calindu› So you can maybe afford to take it slower
[18:39:09] ‹Espithel› We probably are stressing too much about the day 1 lynch, to be honest.
[18:39:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't have any strong reads.
[18:39:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› And the only reason I previously voted for dd is to have a D1 lynch.
[18:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› If the vote is tied, does the deadline postpone or do we No Lynch?
[18:40:10] ‹ddevans96› we no lynch
[18:40:18] ‹ddevans96› so we don't want a tied vote in...20 minutes
[18:40:31] ‹MasterWalks› ok we need to break this tie
[18:40:43] ‹Espithel› On it
[18:40:45] ‹MasterWalks› I hate both targets
[18:40:57] ‹Calindu› There are 6 people that haven't voted yet
[18:41:06] ‹MasterWalks› thats fine. It hides garboid
[18:41:11] ‹kaempfer13› as in you want both dead or really like them?
[18:41:23] ‹MasterWalks› No i want neither of them lynched
[18:41:39] ‹MasterWalks› I like the people lol
[18:41:45] ‹MasterWalks› i hate the votes
[18:42:01] ‹Calindu› It hides graboid, but you don't need that many people hiding the graboid
[18:42:33] ‹ddevans96› agreed with Cal, ideally some of these non-voters vote soon
[18:42:44] ‹kaempfer13› there is a 1/3 chance mafia already found graboid
[18:42:46] ‹Espithel› I'll last-second vote if there's atie to begin the overtime.
[18:42:46] ‹ddevans96› I'd say 3-4 people defending graboid is optimal
[18:43:08] ‹ddevans96› oh, yeah, the deadline does move back slightly, to prevent vote-sniping at the very end
[18:43:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Because of the nk failing, right?
[18:43:16] ‹kaempfer13› if it even exists
[18:43:23] ‹kaempfer13› yh
[18:43:34] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's true, actually - that is one explanation for the lack of NK
[18:44:08] ‹Espithel› The other one is a blind heal, which I find hilariously unlikely but possible
[18:44:20] ‹ddevans96› it is technically a 1/19 chance
[18:44:40] ‹ddevans96› absurd, yeah, but it's mafia, sometimes you succeed on dumb luck
[18:44:53] ‹kaempfer13› there is eraph and guard i think
[18:45:13] ‹ddevans96› those are the other options, yeah - I think that's all of them
[18:45:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Guard protects against NK?\
[18:45:19] ‹ddevans96› unless they just...didn't send one in
[18:45:37] ‹MasterWalks› there is no way they didnt send one in
[18:45:48] ‹Espithel› Inb4 sub's a bastard mod
[18:45:49] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@iancudorinmarian› its higher on prio list
[18:45:56] ‹iancudorinmarian› I don't think Guard blocks NK
[18:46:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› NK is not a secondary ability
[18:46:15] ‹ddevans96› yeah, rereading the ability, it definitely does
[18:46:26] ‹MasterWalks› Iridium ward? nahh that doesnt block NK. I had that ability last game
[18:47:22] ‹kaempfer13› damn should have really asked for clarification on that
[18:47:40] ‹kaempfer13› but guard not actually guarding is kinda weird
[18:47:53] ‹Espithel› 13 minutes until surprise buttsex tiebreaker vote.
[18:47:59] ‹moehrpi› I am very sure guard does nt affect NK.
[18:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› kinda. Its a roleblocking ability which some of us agreed not to use N0
[18:48:15] ‹ddevans96› it definitely does not*
[18:48:21] ‹ddevans96› sorry
[18:48:26] ‹ddevans96› i.e. I'm with iancu
[18:48:39] ‹Espithel› So, seraph, graboid, mafia's retarded
[18:48:51] ‹ddevans96› basically, yeah
[18:49:12] ‹moehrpi› Seraph, Grab, GA
[18:49:12] ‹Calindu› GA is also a possibility
[18:49:22] ‹Espithel› GA?
[18:49:29] ‹Calindu› Guardian Angel
[18:49:30] ‹Espithel› Wait, seraph and GA are different roles?
[18:49:31] ‹Espithel› fuck me
[18:49:31] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› i specifically explained why guard is the exception to the rule (whether it protects from the nightkill or not it gives quite a bit of information on use)
[18:50:05] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GA is just as likely as Seraph or Graboid
[18:50:11] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› It does not protect.
[18:50:28] ‹Espithel› Seraph/Graboid is more likely than GA, imo
[18:50:45] ‹Espithel› When you have healers, there's a WIFOM game of "do we heal someone good, or someone less important"
[18:50:55] ‹Calindu› No, think about it this way
[18:51:18] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting graboid is a 1/19 chance
[18:51:30] ‹Calindu› Mafia hitting a target protected by GA is still 1/19
[18:51:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› That is true only if you are town.
[18:52:07] ‹Espithel› Yeah, but it's not 1/19.
[18:52:13] ‹Espithel› Because of the WIFOM game.
[18:52:18] ‹moehrpi› If you are mafia you know whether one of you is Grab/Serpah/GA and can skew the odds.
[18:52:47] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› WIFOM still results in a nash equilibrium.
[18:52:47] ‹Calindu› That's true, yeah, didn't consider that, but I still think it's comparable
[18:53:03] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› It absolutely is.
[18:53:29] ‹MasterWalks› we REALLY need a different target than jcj or dd
[18:53:42] ‹Calindu› Also, consider that it's more likely GA targets an experienced player, I believe mafia would do the same
[18:54:06] ‹ddevans96› I don't think we're getting one
[18:54:17] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› Any other suggestions, like yourself?
[18:54:46] ‹MasterWalks› It would not be wise to lynch me but its honeslty better than those 2.
[18:55:05] ‹Espithel› No it's not!
[18:55:15] ‹Espithel› Because you're 1000000,00000% town!
[18:55:21] ‹Espithel› Stop being suicidal walks
[18:55:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:55:25] ‹MasterWalks› Espi, Kaempf, ian, insig,
[18:55:26] ‹Mobian› Why so sure, Espi?
[18:55:31] ‹MasterWalks› all better than those 2
[18:56:06] ‹moehrpi› ‹@iancudorinmarian› ‹@ddevans96› Can you give further explanation to your JCJ scum-read other than he flip-flopped between lynch/no-lynch?
[18:56:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dunno, it's a hunch.
[18:56:30] ‹Mobian› It should be known that in 5 mins, unless someone votes on either JCJ or ddevans, or removes a vote from them, no lynch will occur
[18:56:36] ‹MasterWalks› god damnit
[18:56:49] ‹moehrpi› ‹@MasterWalks› jester
[18:56:51] ‹Espithel› If that happens, I'm going to last-second vote, mob
[18:56:54] ‹Espithel› Don't worry
[18:56:58] ‹MasterWalks› ian, vote someone else. JCJ is afk and moving and typing from a phone
[18:57:01] ‹ddevans96› already did so
[18:57:08] ‹ddevans96› the flip-flop isn't my scumread
[18:57:42] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 11:38:16] ‹ddevans96› his three reads stated in his last post (excluding me) are all opposite of mine - that means there's a perspective different somewhere [2019-05-25 11:38:32] ‹ddevans96› probably nothing, could be something - 'could be something' is just the best we can do rn
[18:57:44] ‹moehrpi› I don't think ian is mafia. The claim of a blocked role makes me think otherwise. I am closely watching, however.
[18:57:52] ‹kaempfer13› wasnt there a rule for 5 minute extension with each vote?
[18:58:01] ‹Espithel› Yes. kae.
[18:58:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@MasterWalks› That has nothing to do with my scumread on him
[18:58:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› He's tunneling on me extremely hard.
[18:58:38] ‹Espithel› He's putting himself in stupidly large amounts of risk in doing so. If he's mafia, there is absolutely no reason to.
[18:58:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› Plus, he can then focus on moving :D
[18:58:45] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Thanks for the quote. Totally slipped my mind.
[18:58:49] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Espithel› you need to vote now to reset timer, btw
[18:58:49] ‹Espithel› It could be argued that it'd be actively hurting the mafia if he was.
[18:59:17] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[18:59:45] ‹Mobian› 1 min
[18:59:47] ‹Espithel› So, if walks is mafia, he's braindead. Walks isn't braindead.
[18:59:54] ‹Espithel› So I'm like pretty sure he's town.
[19:00:36] ‹Mobian› True to your word, last fucking second
[19:00:52] ‹Espithel› gottem
[19:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA
[19:01:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› lol
[19:01:44] ‹kaempfer13› my time reset vote would have been even closer, but thereis no need now
[19:02:17] ‹ddevans96› BY GOD, THAT'S SHOCKCANNON'S MUSIC
[19:02:18] ‹MasterWalks› DAMNIT SHOCK
[19:02:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› lmao
[19:02:27] ‹kaempfer13› I like JcJ as a person, so a little sad, but no ingamerelated objections here
[19:02:43] ‹kaempfer13› huh
[19:02:49] ‹Mobian› DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMNNNNNNN
[19:02:58] ‹Mobian› Shock swoops in with a save
[19:03:33] ‹MasterWalks› I object lynching JCJ but i think its better than dd
[19:03:37] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Did you put in that vote because of your scum-read on iancu?
[19:04:03] ‹shockcannon› I put that in so we don’t lunch
[19:04:10] ‹shockcannon› Lynch
[19:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› wy
[19:04:19] ‹MasterWalks› why
[19:04:26] ‹MasterWalks› no lynch is a terrible idea
[19:04:31] ‹kaempfer13› I do wonder actually
[19:04:40] ‹iancudorinmarian› shock doing shock things again
[19:04:41] ‹MasterWalks› litterally everyone is opposed to it. Thats probably why you want to. Hipster
[19:04:46] ‹Mobian› MW counter'd your play, shock
[19:04:48] ‹shockcannon› Ian you’re mad. Shut up
[19:04:54] ‹shockcannon› Maf*
[19:05:00] ‹Mobian› Not everyone, MW....
[19:05:06] ‹kaempfer13› weve seen most of the information we could get from the lynch other than the roleflipping on death
[19:05:14] ‹MasterWalks› you want no lynch too?
[19:05:21] ‹MasterWalks› why tf do you want no lynch
[19:05:24] ‹kaempfer13› not really
[19:05:46] ‹Mobian› Because we don't have much intel to accuse anyone on
[19:05:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, I'm fundamentally opposed to no lynch, but I do see why people aren't
[19:05:48] ‹ddevans96› for d1 at least
[19:06:01] ‹Mobian› At this point it's all just bickering
[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch
[19:06:06] ‹kaempfer13› roleflipping and the chance of getting mafia should be worth it
[19:07:01] ‹moehrpi› Maybe I should vote shock...
[19:07:14] ‹Mobian› But on D1 without any confirmed intel we're just shooting blind
[19:07:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› do eetttt
[19:07:20] ‹kaempfer13› from a statistical perspective town has to always lynch
[19:07:24] ‹MasterWalks› dont you dare move your vote
[19:07:38] ‹Mobian› Sure, we MIGHT hit a mafia, but it's more likely to kill a town
[19:07:54] ‹kaempfer13› but psychology makes everything muddy
[19:07:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› "[19:06:06] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and we will have less if we dont lynch" thats wrong btw, though i probs cant talk much cause im not playing in this one
[19:07:57] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Do you want to know the best way to get confirmed intel?
[19:07:58] ‹moehrpi› ‹@kaempfer13› No, odds change/improve on later days.
[19:07:59] ‹Espithel› Killing people.
[19:08:20] ‹MasterWalks› I agree 1000% with espi
[19:08:39] ‹ddevans96› day is now final, I believe
[19:08:54] ‹Mobian› Perhaps, but it doesn't sit right with me
[19:09:01] ‹ddevans96› shock's vote is late lmao
[19:09:04] ‹Mobian› I need to go to the bank. Back in a bit
[19:09:36] ‹kaempfer13› yep on my clock shock votedtoo late
[19:09:46] ‹MasterWalks› lol shock was late by 30 sec
[19:10:01] ‹MasterWalks› need to practice you typing speed shock
[19:10:11] ‹shockcannon› I was late on purpose
[19:10:20] ‹PlayerOa› Oh wow that's a lot of chat history to read :silly:
[19:10:23] ‹ddevans96› for memes? understandable
[19:10:28] ‹shockcannon› I had a last minute idea
[19:10:29] ‹Kameqo› Right?
[19:10:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› 25 seconds late lul
[19:10:46] ‹Calindu› rip
[19:10:50] ‹kaempfer13› damn he really was ga
[19:10:58] ‹Kameqo› GA?
[19:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› wow
[19:11:05] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-25 12:01:35] ‹MasterWalks› Lets take bets on what role jcj has. I bet GA < lmao, good call
[19:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› :D
[19:11:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol sub and link about to feud
[19:11:53] ‹Espithel› Hm.
[19:11:59] ‹Espithel› Is it possible that jcj was the nightkill?
[19:12:04] ‹Espithel› Can he protect himself?
[19:12:25] ‹PlayerOa› Angel??
[19:12:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› yeah
[19:12:44] ‹Espithel› Because if they can that would actually make GA as equal to block the nightkill as grabby
[19:13:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[19:13:30] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› only every other round on same target
[19:13:36] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› I don't think you understand how numbers work.
[19:13:59] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Numbers are those things that go up and down
[19:14:05] ‹Espithel› Right?
[19:14:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› Yes, also lifts.
[19:15:32] ‹Espithel› Do lifts rotate into another dimension if you multiply them by the square root of -1?
[19:16:11] ‹Kameqo› Is this ToS?
[19:16:39] ‹Kameqo› Also I love that math joke
[19:16:41] ‹kaempfer13› ToS is also a mafiastyle game so sorta
[19:16:54] ‹Kameqo› Good stuff man that was great
[19:16:59] ‹Kameqo› Imaginary numbers are wack
[19:17:01] ‹Kameqo› What game is this?
[19:17:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› etg
[19:17:39] ‹Kameqo› Ethyl glucuronide?
[19:17:57] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› elements the game
[19:18:02] ‹moehrpi› It's mafia.
[19:18:58] ‹Kameqo› Just called mafia?
[19:19:17] ‹moehrpi› Yep.
[19:19:25] ‹moehrpi› Or werewolves.
[19:19:26] ‹Kameqo› Mk
[19:19:39] ‹Kameqo› Wait what
[19:20:01] ‹kaempfer13› there are many names for games in its style, but this standard mafia with etgthemed secondary roles
[19:20:01] ‹moehrpi› Two different names for the same game.
[19:20:33] ‹Kameqo› Ohhh okay
[19:20:39] ‹Kameqo› That's pretty cool
[19:20:45] ‹Kameqo› How have you guys been playing it?
[19:21:04] ‹moehrpi› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[19:21:10] ‹kaempfer13› dreadfully, we killed one of our best allies
[19:21:37] ‹Mobian› Yup, we surely did
[19:22:02] ‹Espithel› So.
[19:22:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› maybe its not your ally :sillyspin:
[19:22:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› You want me roleblocked, yeah?
[19:22:20] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason?
[19:22:38] ‹MasterWalks› Cuz your mafia and you didnt get lynched
[19:22:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in mafia you are always town :sillyspin:
[19:22:53] ‹Espithel› I think you should be roleblocked because you're mafia and you didn't get lynched.
[19:23:07] ‹Espithel› :^)
[19:23:57] ‹MasterWalks› vaild point
[19:23:59] ‹Mobian› Or you're both mafia, and bussing each other
[19:24:16] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:24:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› or everyones a town this game because bastard mod
[19:24:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› that'd be very fun
[19:24:55] ‹MasterWalks› we arent throwing each other under the bus, we are jumping under it together.
[19:25:22] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the point of the game is to figure it out before we killed 11 people :sillyspin:
[19:25:22] ‹Mobian› I still wish Manny was playing
[19:25:41] ‹Espithel› Could you at least throw me under a train, at least?
[19:25:48] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Mobian› A man can dream...
[19:26:13] ‹MasterWalks› I asked him but no response :/ He would probably just vote and not explain anything.
[19:26:45] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› he'd find a way to troll
[19:26:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i petition to be put into this mafia as the roll that wasnt used
[19:27:27] ‹Calindu› The roles are random, so there could be multiple of one role
[19:27:34] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh
[19:27:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› rip
[19:27:40] ‹Mobian› Who are you?
[19:27:48] ‹MasterWalks› "If I jOiN MaFiA i WiLl JoIn OtHeR eVeNtS"
[19:27:50] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› inb4 dd and jcj both GA :sillyspin:
[19:28:11] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› its w3 on a new device
[19:28:24] ‹Mobian› Ah
[19:33:43] ‹kaempfer13› Also sorry JcJ
[19:34:17] ‹kaempfer13› maybe one day we'll be on the same team and you wont become irrelevant/inactive day 1
[19:34:24] ‹Mobian› No point in apologizing to a corpse.
[19:34:50] ‹shockcannon› You idiots
[19:35:02] ‹Espithel› YOU FLAMING IDIOTS
[19:35:03] ‹Espithel› TAKE THIS!
[19:35:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› kae mafia confirmed?
[19:35:51] ‹Espithel› ...Actually, yeah.
[19:35:55] ‹Espithel› Kae, that's a bit of an awkward thing to say.
[19:36:13] ‹kaempfer13› ya, but we get along pretty well and yet failed to ever work together in team games, even though war and pipeworks both were great opportunities
[19:36:29] ‹Mobian› I did apologize to MW after I got him killed...
[19:36:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› learn2read, nubs
[19:36:46] ‹Espithel› ‹@moehrpi› Yeah, I know
[19:36:54] ‹Espithel› I'm not going to make a thing out of it.
[19:37:03] ‹Espithel› But damn that could be taken the wrong way
[19:37:29] ‹Espithel› Also only Daddy Shock gets to call me a noob >:(
[19:38:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› okay what was your sus of jcj then if it wasnt about the afk
[19:39:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› I told you, it was a hunch
[19:39:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:39:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› A bad one, as it turns out.
[19:41:15] ‹Linkcat› Fuck
[19:41:21] ‹Linkcat› I missed deadline
[19:41:28] ‹Linkcat› Who died?
[19:41:35] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› You were the one that actually chose to lynch JCJ
[19:41:35] ‹Mobian› JCJ
[19:41:36] ‹moehrpi› GA
[19:41:37] ‹moehrpi› JCJ
[19:41:38] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› JCJ
[19:41:39] ‹Calindu› GA
[19:41:42] ‹moehrpi› Your vote did not matter.
[19:41:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› shit
[19:41:50] ‹Mobian› Town
[19:42:04] ‹Espithel› You know who we should've lynched?
[19:42:06] ‹Espithel› Sub.
[19:42:12] ‹Linkcat› Good shit guys
[19:42:39] ‹Espithel› oooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:42:42] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Spicy
[19:42:53] ‹Espithel› Was it himself?
[19:43:13] ‹Espithel› ...I like how that looks like a sword.
[19:43:34] ‹Espithel› ooooo(OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:43:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› I voted to break tie
[19:43:58] ‹MasterWalks› any lynch is better than no lynch
[19:44:37] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› I still disagree.
[19:44:55] ‹Linkcat› I probably would have just kept my vote on dd.
[19:44:58] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› But you could have chosen to lynch dd instead
[19:45:18] ‹Linkcat› Well, I need to go to a party, will check in later.
[19:45:57] ‹MasterWalks› I figured jcj to still be better than dd
[19:46:05] ‹kaempfer13› deja vu; nk failing on jcj n0
[19:46:22] ‹MasterWalks› idk anymore but dd seemed less sus than jcj
[19:46:47] ‹Calindu› That's what I don't get, why jcj was seen a better lynch than dd
[19:47:28] ‹Espithel› dd is "helpful to the town"
[19:47:30] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[19:47:39] ‹MasterWalks› jcj was very little help last game iirc.
[19:47:39] ‹Espithel› Or, rather.
[19:47:44] ‹Espithel› "more helpful to the town"
[19:47:44] ‹MasterWalks› and he was totally active
[19:47:45] ‹Calindu› I feel like he was chosen in the end because it was easy to coordinate on him, he was not here, he didn't really communicate much
[19:48:13] ‹Calindu› It doesn't matter who's more helpful, it matters who is more likely to be mafia
[19:48:14] ‹MasterWalks› I disagree. For me anyways, i just saw more value in dd
[19:48:20] ‹Espithel› This is true.
[19:48:28] ‹MasterWalks› Well if that was the case, yall shouldve voted espi
[19:48:34] ‹Espithel› As in, mafia being more likely is more important.
[19:48:37] ‹MasterWalks› but nooo i have tunnel vision
[19:48:59] ‹Espithel› https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_-NIo79GfwbA%2FTAC9ErCXQcI%2FAAAAAAAAG9g%2FwAHfS9F3og4%2Fs1600%2FNew%2Btunnel.jpg&f=1
[19:49:40] ‹Calindu› Because you did tunnel vision, you probably saw something small and you just followed that
[19:49:56] ‹Calindu› I saw no real reason why you think Espithel is mafia
[19:51:18] ‹kaempfer13› how can ian actually know who jcj targeted if his ability failed?
[19:51:34] ‹kaempfer13› i guess he couldve lied once
[19:51:39] ‹Mobian› 1
[19:52:26] ‹Calindu› Maybe ian targeted someone and his ability failed because of GA
[19:52:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I'm not saying any more, but it should be easy to figure out.
[19:53:59] ‹Espithel› Stop giving shock justifiable positions
[19:54:00] ‹Espithel› >:(
[19:54:02] ‹kaempfer13› oh ga prevents offensive roles too
[19:54:15] ‹Calindu› Well, it's either him or the person you targeted
[19:54:22] ‹MasterWalks› I think shock is FFQ, if thats worth anything
[19:55:03] ‹Calindu› Why is that?
[19:55:31] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that seems plausible. FFQ over dragonfly, though?
[19:55:34] ‹kaempfer13› if so and dd is to be trusted he very likely only knows that dd neither acted nor was acted on
[19:55:52] ‹shockcannon› Wanna hear a hot take?
[19:55:54] ‹kaempfer13› ofc multiple ffq are possible
[19:56:01] ‹shockcannon› 3 mafia voted on JCJ
[19:56:21] ‹kaempfer13› very hot indeed
[19:56:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Then mafia are incredibly stupid.
[19:56:34] ‹ddevans96› make sure all of this gets logged, I'm packing for the weekend
[19:56:40] ‹ddevans96› I'll respond to the log later
[19:56:45] ‹kaempfer13› i dont think theyd expose themselves that much
[19:56:49] ‹Espithel› THERE'S TOO MUCH TO LOG
[19:56:51] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[19:56:52] ‹MasterWalks› He wants several rounds to info dump, he probably targeted high risk people first round hence targeting dd, and he is being carefully reckless
[19:56:52] ‹shockcannon› Mafia went for the double mindgate
[19:57:04] ‹moehrpi› Well, if dd is mafia there is at least one more mafia on the train.
[19:57:21] ‹moehrpi› me, root, ian, espi
[19:57:25] ‹moehrpi› not counting mw
[19:57:40] ‹ddevans96› (bonus: highlight things in the log you want my response to)
[19:58:12] ‹kaempfer13› a mafia member is fairly unlikely to catch a firefly imo, although its easy to lie about it ofc
[19:58:27] ‹Calindu› But if shock targeted dd, then the only info he could have gotten is that dd didn't use any ability and was not targeted by one either
[19:58:28] ‹moehrpi› I am also struggling to see how ian can know JCJ target.
[19:59:08] ‹moehrpi› Unless he tried to poison/eat someone, he can see if he was healed?, his mafia buddies told him.
[19:59:15] ‹Calindu› ‹@kaempfer13› I don't think it's easy to lie about it, I don't see FFQ as a powerful role, I'd gladly sacrifice myself as a FFQ to out a mafia
[20:00:39] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@moehrpi› guard and gotp are also offensive roles
[20:00:57] ‹moehrpi› not blocked by heal
[20:01:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:01:37] ‹kaempfer13› i reread it to check if it can block roles, seems to state all offensive ones
[20:01:39] ‹Calindu› I think they are blocked by heal
[20:02:35] ‹kaempfer13› squid and flayer would be scummy to use though
[20:03:12] ‹moehrpi› Heal has a lower priority. That wouldn't make sense.
[20:03:48] ‹moehrpi› So the only way it can fail is if it targets someone who was healed the night before or the same night?
[20:03:57] ‹kaempfer13› oh forgot about priorities
[20:04:31] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why dont you all talk in thread
[20:04:41] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› its eassier then chatting in here and copying this to thread
[20:04:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (for people who arent here)
[20:04:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› chat log is so ugly
[20:05:20] ‹MasterWalks› Its easier to speculate here
[20:05:53] ‹kaempfer13› for quick talking forum requires too much refreshing
[20:06:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› Channeled my inner shock
[20:06:14] ‹MasterWalks› Some of us should list scum reads in the forum tho. Like a full list of all reads they have
[20:06:38] ‹Mobian› Yup, when I run a game, I'd like to use a separate discord channel
[20:06:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› in my maf, ill ban chat talk. While it has its benefits, people who arent as active and cant be in chat all the time, its an annoyance to them
[20:07:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but im never hosting a maf
[20:07:13] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ill just have to be FGO and then do a link and veto anything else
[20:07:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› tbh, I'm fine with a chatlog instead of just having 20 pages each day.
[20:08:01] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› As random as that may seem, I actually kind of agree with that lol
[20:08:16] ‹Linkcat› Lmao
[20:08:19] ‹Linkcat› True
[20:08:39] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› But what if you want to bandwagon your GA within 30 minutes and need four more votes?
[20:09:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@moehrpi› wat
[20:09:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› go beg in thread. chat's fine for small mafia related qs here and there
[20:09:44] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not for a full on discussion and thoughts
[20:09:48] ‹MasterWalks› Chat log is friendlier for mobile than forum
[20:09:51] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› wat 'wat'?
[20:09:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› much easier to read posts then a chat log
[20:10:03] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› *than
[20:10:35] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i hate how chat log looks on forum, its so ugly
[20:10:43] ‹Calindu› It's easier to communicate in small messages than wall of texts
[20:10:47] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and having to see who typed each chat message is a pain too
[20:10:59] ‹MasterWalks› Just post a series of screen shots
[20:11:13] ‹MasterWalks› can w3 participate by posting all the chat logs?
[20:11:20] ‹moehrpi› If you need to read up forum is easier. The information in chat is just so light.
[20:11:23] ‹Linkcat› Sure
[20:11:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there, i got you into mafia
[20:11:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no
[20:11:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not posting chatlogs ew
[20:11:54] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› so ugly
[20:12:14] ‹MasterWalks› Make them beautiful! you are a model after all
[20:12:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Make them pretty! With colours! :)
[20:12:25] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no ew
[20:14:18] ‹MasterWalks› damnit mobian. not again
[20:14:39] ‹Calindu› Wow
[20:15:42] ‹PlayerOa› Can't help but seeing that as kind of a red flag
[20:15:59] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In regards to my salt or ian's asinine accusation?
[20:16:49] ‹MasterWalks› salt
[20:17:02] ‹MasterWalks› Mobian? more like Mortons
[20:17:25] ‹Mobian› I do live in Salt Lake City
[20:17:33] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› Mafia is in the drivers seat right now and they’re in fourth gear
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› But are they smart enough to kill me enough before I lay down the road tacks?
[20:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nope, im only third gear right now
[20:18:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› got more gears to go
[20:20:28] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› In all seriousness, though, what new intel have we gained, aside from knowing we killed a friend?
[20:20:59] ‹kaempfer13› everyone that voted for him is more suspicious now
[20:23:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:23:42] ‹Mobian› Maybe
[20:24:50] ‹Mobian› My theory is shaping up to be a lil different. If I survive the next lynch, I'll put words to it
[20:25:20] ‹PlayerOa› Gj cillessen, I have money on Barcelona :(
[20:28:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› wheres ter stegen?
[20:28:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and suarez
[20:29:58] ‹PlayerOa› Guess Cillessen is cup keeper
[20:30:02] ‹PlayerOa› Suarez no idea
[20:30:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› just read, stegen is injured
[20:30:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› Id say quite a bit. We have a possible answer for N0 no kill, sus of people who started the bandwagon, and tbh losing GA isnt all that bad since they cant protect GN
[20:31:03] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:31:12] ‹MasterWalks› I mean its still bad we lost a town, but it wasnt the worst role to lose
[20:31:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Oh that's a shame, best gk in the world atm along with oblak imo
[20:31:34] ‹MasterWalks› sucks he couldnt defend himself
[20:32:22] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hmm
[20:32:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ederson is really solid ngl
[20:32:54] ‹Calindu› Allison has also been there this year
[20:32:55] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and with kepa, you get additional bonus that you dont need a manager
[20:33:00] ‹Mobian› There is no defense against Lynch, aside from reason.
[20:33:17] ‹Calindu› And De Gea kind of sucked for the second part of the season
[20:33:24] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh
[20:33:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› most likely due to contract issues
[20:33:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› best to get rid of him and get some money
[20:33:50] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› You think so?
[20:33:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› romero is class, we can put romero as first choice for one season atleast
[20:34:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› while we rebuild the other aspects
[20:34:01] ‹PlayerOa› Romero is good yeah
[20:34:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cause we desperately need CB, RB, midfield and RW
[20:34:12] ‹MasterWalks› him doing a role reveal wouldnt have been a terrible idea and would've likely saved him from lynch if he said he used it N0
[20:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Sorting out RB, RW and CB is first priority
[20:34:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[20:34:29] ‹PlayerOa› Fckkkkkk valencia 2-0
[20:34:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield too imo
[20:34:42] ‹Calindu›
[20:34:46] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› midfield is shambles. we got no one
[20:34:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› herrera gone, matic too old no
[20:34:52] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› now*
[20:34:53] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Scott<3
[20:34:57] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› You guys are act so bad at mafia
[20:35:11] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pogba needs to fix up a bit
[20:35:23] ‹Calindu› Pogba will leave too
[20:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› RB > RW > CB = CM
[20:35:33] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› yh, id cash in on pogba too
[20:35:39] ‹PlayerOa› If pogba leaves then CM first
[20:35:41] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[20:35:43] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› sell pogba lukaku degea, get money
[20:35:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› invest in youngsters
[20:35:53] ‹Mobian› Maybe short term, but if the mafia didn't kill him, everyone would accuse him of being dirty
[20:35:56] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› get deligt
[20:36:00] ‹PlayerOa› Daniel James looks interesting
[20:36:07] ‹PlayerOa› De ligt would be a dream...
[20:36:14] ‹PlayerOa› Along with Sancho
[20:36:26] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› theres a better chance now of de ligt coming to utd than before
[20:36:30] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› barca obvs still favs
[20:36:37] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› but the van de sar link will help
[20:36:48] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and he'll be our no1 for sure
[20:36:49] ‹PlayerOa› Seems like lfc's in the race too
[20:37:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› cant see de ligt going to lfc
[20:37:21] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› van de sar not gonna let him XD
[20:37:40] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if barca lose this match today, theyre gonna go hard in transfer
[20:37:43] ‹PlayerOa› :D
[20:40:15] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› hopefully that will mean barca go for mbappe and griezzmans free for us LOL
[20:41:05] ‹Calindu› I can't see barca going for mbappe
[20:41:15] ‹Calindu› No way PSG lets him go there
[20:44:41] ‹PlayerOa› It's a shame ibra got his injury
[20:48:06] ‹MasterWalks› Someone want to chat log post this monster?
[20:48:21] ‹MasterWalks› conversation has shifted to soccer
[20:51:45] ‹Mobian› When I get home
[20:52:03] ‹Calindu› Did you just call football as soccer?
[20:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› U.S.A
[20:52:21] ‹Espithel› He's not mafia, but he's certainly scum.
[20:52:25] ‹Espithel› >:(
[20:52:26] ‹MasterWalks› I like the Chivas
[20:52:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ew
[20:55:36] ‹Mobian› He called it soccer, I call it pointless. FITE ME
[20:55:53] ‹MasterWalks› its not pointless
[20:55:58] ‹MasterWalks› the cleats have points on them
[20:56:16] ‹Calindu› You made a powerful enemy today
[20:56:38] ‹Mobian› ROFL
[20:58:06] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[21:00:36] ‹PlayerOa› I'm with you cal
[21:02:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:09:39] ‹MasterWalks› why do people have L/J on?
[21:10:42] ‹Calindu› Because I like to see when people join or leave
[21:11:57] ‹MasterWalks› it crowds it so bad tho and you can see whos here already
[21:12:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› news says utd very close to signing de ligt???
[21:12:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why they getting my hopes up
[21:12:36] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Really?
[21:13:04] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› idk i just googled man utd
[21:13:06] ‹PlayerOa› Edwin's at the wheel
[21:13:09] ‹PlayerOa› lol
[21:13:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› and first three articles said very close
[21:13:45] ‹Calindu› There's a very reputable source for that
[21:14:17] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Which?
[21:14:29] ‹Calindu› Gerard Romero
[21:14:46] ‹Calindu› I heard he's pretty accurate for Barca news
[21:14:47] ‹PlayerOa› de Ligt has been liking an instagram post by Lukaku, lol
[21:14:49] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› on that note, bring edwin as technical director with you, de ligt
[21:15:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@PlayerOa› he also liked rio ferdinannds
[21:15:12] ‹Calindu› He said that de ligt got a very good offer from man utd
[21:15:15] ‹PlayerOa› Messi hits the post fml
[21:15:56] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› That's even more interesting tbh
[21:16:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› he'll be tested more if hes at utd, and i feel hes the kinda guy who will want that challenge. plus utd offer him more money for sure
[21:20:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› there arent many good RBs around this window are there?
[21:20:25] ‹PlayerOa› Wan Bissaka would be the most likely I guess
[21:20:36] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh him
[21:20:44] ‹PlayerOa› pretty solid player
[21:23:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› why are transfers taking so long, hurry up teams, i want to see transfer business
[21:24:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Chief transfer muppet
[21:25:25] ‹PlayerOa› Nah just kidding. I'd like to see some business as well, looks like they're sorting out James at least
[21:26:51] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› not just from utd, but in general
[21:27:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› no signings so far
[21:27:34] ‹PlayerOa› Pulisic
[21:28:24] ‹Linkcat› I'm on mobile, someone post the chat log.
[21:29:09] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› pulisic got done before tho
[21:29:26] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah fair enough
[21:29:47] ‹PlayerOa› Dortmund had a couple nice ones
[21:29:54] ‹PlayerOa› Brandt and T. Hazard
[21:30:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oh yh
[21:32:01] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› seems like barca are only gonna win la liga this yr
[21:32:21] ‹PlayerOa› 2-1 gogogo
[21:32:27] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› the only thing i watched in la liga was the iago aspas story, what a guy
[21:32:28] ‹MasterWalks› Espithel
[21:32:30] ‹PlayerOa› nice jinx
[21:32:39] ‹MasterWalks› can you post since youve been here tho whole time?
[21:33:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nw
[21:41:51] ‹Espithel› Post about what?
[21:42:15] ‹MasterWalks› the chat log
[21:43:12] ‹Espithel› I guess. Gimmie a sec.
[21:48:50] ‹shockcannon› lol jcj in chat
[21:48:54] ‹shockcannon› apologize to him now
[21:51:53] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
[21:56:04] ‹MasterWalks›
[21:58:29] ‹vagman13› aaw por jcj :(
[21:58:48] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› So much Amusement
[21:59:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› Its just not meant to be
[22:00:00] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› Wish could say more
[22:00:18] ‹Espithel› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› See you in forum brawl?
[22:00:55] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› 😘
[22:01:08] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› you can say more to me
[22:01:10] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› im not playing
[22:03:48] ‹vagman13› you arsefaces lynching jcjc, i said when in doubt , always lynch ian :sillyspin:
Ill try to summarize as best I can.
Pre jcj Lynch
moe talks about ian not being as active in the thread. ian says he has nothing to contribute. ddevans starts asking how people would feel if we lynch certain people, notably jcj and MW. Back and forth about not having much scum reads between all member involved. Some discussion on how the least active people on the thread are pretty smart so not to make quick assumptions based on activity. dd points out the strongest scum read is on espithel followed by ian. Small consensus on how lynching ian wont bring much info. ddevan states we should lynch either MW or jcj and before deadline. mobian states he wants a no lynch; back and forth on how lynching/not lynching gives information. Lots of haste is followed as there is 20min left on timer and town is at tied vote. Here you can look through forums to see how the timer was extended. Discussion on what roles block NK, mostly focused on ward. Speculation on how there was no kill on N0, mostly looking at which roles it could've been and which ones have the highest chance. moe questions dd and ian about jcj votes, responded mostly with its a hunch. Some final discussion on lynch/no lynch information topic
Post jcj lynch
Speculation on if jcj was the one targeted for NK and how he may have protected himself. MW and espi discussing MW's request for espi to be roleblocked. Mobian speculates some bussing going on between espi and MW. More discussion on lynch/no lynch pros and cons. Some minor discussion on if ddevans wouldve been a better lynch than jcj. Some back and forth on what GA can actually block and what it cant. Some people and their roles speculation follows, mostly to nothing concrete. Bunch of BS with non mafia members follows for a while. ian posts about mobian and mobian fiercely defends himself for a moment. After this, conversation starts moving to Football (pronounced Soccer)with no new conversation that hasnt already been talked about before.
This is as neutral and simplified as i can make it.
TL:DR Yea not much for info here really. Mostly just role discussion and scum reads.
Did i miss anything important?
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 10:09:27 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 25, 2019, 10:16:53 pm
ian is more reckless this time around. He was ultra concentrated last game. Making long term game plans, calculated votes, etc. Thats why he got a ton of votes for best player. This round his reasoning for lynch was a hunch. He doesnt appear to be gameplanning all that much. He not espithel sus but i think its worth closely watching him.Except I did make a long term plan on N0 on how to protect the Golden Nymph. And except I had concrete plans later in the game last mafia and I was still voting based on my hunch up until there were very few people left. And except I just revealed a plan I made to make mafia (Mobian) slip up.
You're not reading me very well at all.
Post by: Mobian on May 25, 2019, 10:21:35 pm
ian is more reckless this time around. He was ultra concentrated last game. Making long term game plans, calculated votes, etc. Thats why he got a ton of votes for best player. This round his reasoning for lynch was a hunch. He doesnt appear to be gameplanning all that much. He not espithel sus but i think its worth closely watching him.Except I did make a long term plan on N0 on how to protect the Golden Nymph. And except I had concrete plans later in the game last mafia and I was still voting based on my hunch up until there were very few people left. And except I just revealed a plan I made to make mafia (Mobian) slip up.
You're not reading me very well at all.
As adorable as your blame game is, try paying attention. Several others voiced that opinion in the chat as well. It's awfully scummy of you to shine a light on me simply for voicing it in chat out of frustration at the "meta" strategy.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 10:23:45 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 25, 2019, 10:53:55 pm
TBH Mobian doesnt appear to have the confidence he had when he was mafia. I would know as i had allied with him last game. HOWEVER I WILL NOT DEFEND HIM after what he did to me last time. I'm just not getting mafia read from him (granted i didnt when he actually was mafia last time)What do you mean? He seems to be really confident. He said almost nothing during the whole round, made a very late vote with no given reason, then jumped to criticise everyone's style of playing mafia, despite himself admitting this is his second mafia game. He wants us to wait for proof in order to lynch someone, instead of trying to actually read people.
Not in the early stages, but you people are SO hung up on "someone has to die, so we MIGHT learn something". With that mindset, we may as well not even have secondary roles and just blindly shoot people till the game ends.
We might as well transform the game into a mafia vs Golden Nymph game and just skip the first few day phases, shall we?
He also used the fact that he rolled mafia the last game to argue that he's not mafia, despite the first event having no relevance here.
Now, I'm not sure he's mafia, because I doubt he'd start a rant that would inevitably annoy most people if he were mafia.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 25, 2019, 11:15:29 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 26, 2019, 12:15:11 am
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What do you mean? He seems to be really confident. He said almost nothing during the whole round, made a very late vote with no given reason, then jumped to criticise everyone's style of playing mafia, despite himself admitting this is his second mafia game. He wants us to wait for proof in order to lynch someone, instead of trying to actually read people.
First of all, I did explain my vote, in the very same post you found me stating this is my second game. Please refrain from cherry-picking my words. And yes, I would like more information on a player besides WHAT they said, especially at the beginning of a game. I'm not sure you got the memo, but the way our abilities are designed this time encourages teamwork and coordination to ferret out reliable intel. I don't agree with the "meta" strategy because I view it as sloppy and inefficient, and in the last Day phase. We only had a 20% chance of blindly finding a mafia. So yes, I'm criticizing the town's blunder, in the hopes of not repeating it. I'm annoyed, which means I air my grievances. If that makes me dirty, so fucking be it. But I have never been one to mince words, and I won't start now.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 26, 2019, 01:27:23 am
And yes, I would like more information on a player besides WHAT they said, especially at the beginning of a game.
What are you hoping for in a rule set that doesnt allow PM's? For another shock crusade of role reveals? For your ability to gather you more info? I doubt anyone is really going to info dump what they have found unless pressed with lynch which takes time, but according to you, we should no lynch. WHAT they said/say is really all we get for public information. What you gather with your role is your info. If you want to tell us what youve gathered, sure! But dont expect to live much longer after Mafia knows your role.
Post by: Mobian on May 26, 2019, 01:43:37 am
And yes, I would like more information on a player besides WHAT they said, especially at the beginning of a game.
What are you hoping for in a rule set that doesnt allow PM's? For another shock crusade of role reveals? For your ability to gather you more info? I doubt anyone is really going to info dump what they have found unless pressed with lynch which takes time, but according to you, we should no lynch. WHAT they said/say is really all we get for public information. What you gather with your role is your info. If you want to tell us what youve gathered, sure! But dont expect to live much longer after Mafia knows your role.
I'm saying we shouldn't be jumping to erroneous conclusions so early in the game. If we were to slow-roll it, we as the town would be able to build stronger cases against whoever we suspected of being mafia. But jumping to conclusions and fucking up the lynch only helps mafia.
But, whatever. This is the last you'll hear from me on the subject. I truly hope you all know what you're doing.
Post by: Calindu on May 26, 2019, 02:02:25 am
[02:14:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Linkcat› Correct me if I'm wrong, did you ask in N0 for GA to target you
[02:15:25] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[02:15:32] ‹Linkcat› And for buffs
[02:16:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ok good, I wonder if people followed through
[02:16:35] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› I really hope GN isn’t an incompetent piece of garbage
[02:16:54] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› Because this should be free win if they stay alive to check 2 more people
[02:17:02] ‹Mobian› Sadly, we have no way of knowing.
[02:17:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Welp guys we found the Phoenix
[02:18:02] ‹Mobian› Lol
[02:20:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Btw huh, suddenly JCJ died
[02:20:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Rip
[02:25:26] ‹Mobian› What did we expect with an 80% chance of friendly fire?
[02:27:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's greater than that tbh
[02:27:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Closer to 90%
[02:28:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia has an easier chance of deflecting votes to civs
[02:29:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› it shoukd be less
[02:29:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if civvies are smart
[02:29:56] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Youre having mafia withdrawls. Shoulda joined
[02:30:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nah i aint
[02:30:23] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› just fun to follow
[02:30:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If civvies are smart then mafia is smart too
[02:30:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Smart mafia can deflect easy
[02:44:51] ‹Mobian› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› Yuuuuuup. Good luck getting anyone to listen though.
[02:45:42] ‹Mobian› We're no better than a superstitious mob on a witch hunt.
[02:46:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Mobian› But
[02:46:45] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Town lynches can reveal information too
[02:47:02] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Voting patterns, how quick people were to jump on the train, etc
[02:47:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Like say dd flips mafia now
[02:47:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› D1 people defended him and quickly voted for JCJ
[02:47:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Now the people who voted JCJ look extra suspicious
[02:47:44] ‹Mobian› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› That seems to be the party line. I'll leave it to you all until I find the rats myself
[02:49:11] ‹Calindu› Please do so, but no lynch for a couple of days until we can find a sure mafia lynch is a losing play
[02:49:38] ‹Calindu› Not only is it too slow, but it allows mafia to just not offer any information whatsoever and just lie in the shadows
[02:49:40] ‹MasterWalks› I was all for not lynching either of them and just lynching espi, like we shoulda done, but nooooo
[02:50:21] ‹Calindu› It also completely fails if the first lynch we actually take flips town
[02:50:49] ‹Mobian› You mean like we already did
[02:51:05] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I wasn't ok with lynching JCJ either, but lynching Espithel is probably the same, if it's based on just a hunch from you
[02:51:27] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› No, read again, I'm talking about your strategy of doing nothing and waiting for the golden nymph to carry us to the finish line
[02:52:25] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[02:52:25] ‹Calindu› Because let's be serious, if the default play is to not lynch every day, then mafia has to do nothing to protect themselves, and we'll have no information to work with
[02:53:08] ‹MasterWalks› I say we no lynch every day and wait for mafia to NK themselves
[02:53:38] ‹Calindu› I can't take these accusations serious, I already addressed the fact that I find it baseless in the thread
[02:54:23] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure who said it, but Espithel didn't defend because there was nothing to actually defend against
[02:54:56] ‹Calindu› Look in dd's case, Link came and presented a solid case that dd had counter arguments for
[02:55:26] ‹Calindu› You came with a baseless hunch that's based on meta talk, there's nothing you can counter here
[02:56:15] ‹MasterWalks› damnit. We lynched a town already based on a hunch, and a shittier one than mine. trust me and lynch him.
[02:56:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There was more information to gain out of Espi if we kept him alive
[02:56:40] ‹Calindu› I know it was a shitty hunch, I even said I don't get it
[02:56:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There wasn't much information about JCJ, but there was a ton of information if we lynched dd
[02:57:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Because of all the discussion about it
[02:57:20] ‹Calindu› Look, MW, I don't believe you are mafia, but I also don't believe the town should follow your play here, at least for now
[02:57:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There is some information about the JCJ lynch, especially since he flipped GA
[02:57:41] ‹MasterWalks› what is there to gain if we dont lynch him? The exact same thing can be said about jcj and keeping him alive
[02:57:53] ‹MasterWalks› I gtg now. Ill be back later
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[02:58:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› JCJ wasn't under fire
[02:58:45] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Espi was
[02:59:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean obviously JCJ was under fire
[02:59:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Otherwise he wouldn't have died
[02:59:09] ‹Calindu› JCJ couldn't even defend, there was no info out of it
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[02:59:19] ‹Calindu› JCJ wasn't here when the lynch happened
[02:59:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Exactly, which is why the JCJ lynch was bad
[02:59:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which is something that you agreed with anyway
[03:00:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The only info we gained was suspicions based on if Mafia knew JCJ was GA
[03:00:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which can be tracked to mafia being Dragonfly
[03:00:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm making a post about this anyway though
[02:15:25] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[02:15:32] ‹Linkcat› And for buffs
[02:16:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ok good, I wonder if people followed through
[02:16:35] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› I really hope GN isn’t an incompetent piece of garbage
[02:16:54] ‹Guest-Phoenix-b838e› Because this should be free win if they stay alive to check 2 more people
[02:17:02] ‹Mobian› Sadly, we have no way of knowing.
[02:17:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Welp guys we found the Phoenix
[02:18:02] ‹Mobian› Lol
[02:20:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Btw huh, suddenly JCJ died
[02:20:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Rip
[02:25:26] ‹Mobian› What did we expect with an 80% chance of friendly fire?
[02:27:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's greater than that tbh
[02:27:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Closer to 90%
[02:28:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia has an easier chance of deflecting votes to civs
[02:29:06] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› it shoukd be less
[02:29:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› if civvies are smart
[02:29:56] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Youre having mafia withdrawls. Shoulda joined
[02:30:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nah i aint
[02:30:23] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› just fun to follow
[02:30:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If civvies are smart then mafia is smart too
[02:30:56] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Smart mafia can deflect easy
[02:44:51] ‹Mobian› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› Yuuuuuup. Good luck getting anyone to listen though.
[02:45:42] ‹Mobian› We're no better than a superstitious mob on a witch hunt.
[02:46:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Mobian› But
[02:46:45] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Town lynches can reveal information too
[02:47:02] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Voting patterns, how quick people were to jump on the train, etc
[02:47:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Like say dd flips mafia now
[02:47:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› D1 people defended him and quickly voted for JCJ
[02:47:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Now the people who voted JCJ look extra suspicious
[02:47:44] ‹Mobian› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› That seems to be the party line. I'll leave it to you all until I find the rats myself
[02:49:11] ‹Calindu› Please do so, but no lynch for a couple of days until we can find a sure mafia lynch is a losing play
[02:49:38] ‹Calindu› Not only is it too slow, but it allows mafia to just not offer any information whatsoever and just lie in the shadows
[02:49:40] ‹MasterWalks› I was all for not lynching either of them and just lynching espi, like we shoulda done, but nooooo
[02:50:21] ‹Calindu› It also completely fails if the first lynch we actually take flips town
[02:50:49] ‹Mobian› You mean like we already did
[02:51:05] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I wasn't ok with lynching JCJ either, but lynching Espithel is probably the same, if it's based on just a hunch from you
[02:51:27] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› No, read again, I'm talking about your strategy of doing nothing and waiting for the golden nymph to carry us to the finish line
[02:52:25] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[02:52:25] ‹Calindu› Because let's be serious, if the default play is to not lynch every day, then mafia has to do nothing to protect themselves, and we'll have no information to work with
[02:53:08] ‹MasterWalks› I say we no lynch every day and wait for mafia to NK themselves
[02:53:38] ‹Calindu› I can't take these accusations serious, I already addressed the fact that I find it baseless in the thread
[02:54:23] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure who said it, but Espithel didn't defend because there was nothing to actually defend against
[02:54:56] ‹Calindu› Look in dd's case, Link came and presented a solid case that dd had counter arguments for
[02:55:26] ‹Calindu› You came with a baseless hunch that's based on meta talk, there's nothing you can counter here
[02:56:15] ‹MasterWalks› damnit. We lynched a town already based on a hunch, and a shittier one than mine. trust me and lynch him.
[02:56:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There was more information to gain out of Espi if we kept him alive
[02:56:40] ‹Calindu› I know it was a shitty hunch, I even said I don't get it
[02:56:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There wasn't much information about JCJ, but there was a ton of information if we lynched dd
[02:57:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Because of all the discussion about it
[02:57:20] ‹Calindu› Look, MW, I don't believe you are mafia, but I also don't believe the town should follow your play here, at least for now
[02:57:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There is some information about the JCJ lynch, especially since he flipped GA
[02:57:41] ‹MasterWalks› what is there to gain if we dont lynch him? The exact same thing can be said about jcj and keeping him alive
[02:57:53] ‹MasterWalks› I gtg now. Ill be back later
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[02:58:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› JCJ wasn't under fire
[02:58:45] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Espi was
[02:59:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean obviously JCJ was under fire
[02:59:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Otherwise he wouldn't have died
[02:59:09] ‹Calindu› JCJ couldn't even defend, there was no info out of it
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[02:59:19] ‹Calindu› JCJ wasn't here when the lynch happened
[02:59:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Exactly, which is why the JCJ lynch was bad
[02:59:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which is something that you agreed with anyway
[03:00:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The only info we gained was suspicions based on if Mafia knew JCJ was GA
[03:00:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which can be tracked to mafia being Dragonfly
[03:00:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm making a post about this anyway though
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 26, 2019, 02:16:03 am
Damn, it's good to be back. Requesting Heal/Buffs on me.
Due to this there's a chance that ian targeted Link. Therefore there's a chance that other people have had their role blocked too. Assuming Link wasn't trying to prove Graboid, we can assume he was targeted by Warden, or another such ability (though I think Warden is the only one). As such, Psion, if you find Warden, this can be useful information. Naturally, don't reveal yet. But do target the people who you think would be scummy, or the people who you think would have wanted to block buffs on Link.
Alternatively, Flayer targeted Ian. This result occurs if nobody says they were blocked, or if Ian says he didn't target Link. So either someone found Ian scummy enough to roleblock (which is weird), or mafia roleblocked him. Which means that Flayer can be someone to look into. Shock claimed Flayer, and he very well might be. But that claim didn't really lead anywhere.
If Ian didn't target Link, which would mean Flayer targeted Ian, this allows mafia Dragonfly to target Link, outing JCJ as GA. Then N0 NK just happened to target a Graboid. Btw if dd is town Graboid then the people who voted for him are super suspicious. This is also interesting, noting that FFQ supposedly targeted dd. Mafia FFQ, then dual target dd with Queen and NK would be a completely valid approach for them here, especially if other roles of theirs can get information.
And of course the option that JCJ targeted himself, mafia tried to target him, failed, and seeing that he voted (and therefore was not Graboid), pushed a lynch on him. ~Theory from Calindu
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 26, 2019, 02:23:29 am
[12:02:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Thing is, JCJ didn't say that he was roleblocked
[12:02:42] ‹Calindu› I doubt he was roleblocked
[12:04:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he targeted Link N0 and mafia has a Warden
[12:05:53] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure tbh, I believe the events were that mafia failed killing JCJ N0 and since he voted, there was a good chance of him being GA
[12:06:05] ‹Calindu› So they just forced a lynch on him
[12:07:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I would have liked to know if he targeted Link
[12:07:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's a shame we can't
[12:07:51] ‹Mobian› Who caught the firefly?
[12:08:50] ‹Calindu› Dd claimed he caught one
[12:10:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But why would jcj be the NK target
[12:10:36] ‹Mobian› Random roll
[12:10:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean, that could be the same as anyone
[12:11:06] ‹MasterWalks› Wasn't he target N0 last game?
[12:11:13] ‹Mobian› He was
[12:11:51] ‹MasterWalks› I think there's just something about him that gets him targeted. Mafia must think he smells bad.
[12:14:36] ‹Mobian› Dunno. Sub made that call last time. I spent most of my focus on you, MW.
[12:14:56] ‹Calindu› Experienced players get killed more often early on, I believe
[12:15:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sure, but twice in a row?
[12:15:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Considering Ian was voted the most valuable player last game
[12:16:44] ‹Calindu› I don't think that matters, I believe there was a time a few years back when one player was either nightkilled N0 or probably mafia lol
[12:18:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Of course this reasoning is the same as the reasoning of "Someone can't be mafia twice in a row"
[12:18:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which isn't something I agree with
[12:21:24] ‹Calindu› Yeah, that reason just makes no sense
[12:21:41] ‹Calindu› Also, can you update the chatlog in the thread please? I'm going to sleep
[12:21:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sure
[12:21:58] ‹Calindu› Thanks
[12:02:42] ‹Calindu› I doubt he was roleblocked
[12:04:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he targeted Link N0 and mafia has a Warden
[12:05:53] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure tbh, I believe the events were that mafia failed killing JCJ N0 and since he voted, there was a good chance of him being GA
[12:06:05] ‹Calindu› So they just forced a lynch on him
[12:07:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I would have liked to know if he targeted Link
[12:07:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's a shame we can't
[12:07:51] ‹Mobian› Who caught the firefly?
[12:08:50] ‹Calindu› Dd claimed he caught one
[12:10:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But why would jcj be the NK target
[12:10:36] ‹Mobian› Random roll
[12:10:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean, that could be the same as anyone
[12:11:06] ‹MasterWalks› Wasn't he target N0 last game?
[12:11:13] ‹Mobian› He was
[12:11:51] ‹MasterWalks› I think there's just something about him that gets him targeted. Mafia must think he smells bad.
[12:14:36] ‹Mobian› Dunno. Sub made that call last time. I spent most of my focus on you, MW.
[12:14:56] ‹Calindu› Experienced players get killed more often early on, I believe
[12:15:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sure, but twice in a row?
[12:15:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Considering Ian was voted the most valuable player last game
[12:16:44] ‹Calindu› I don't think that matters, I believe there was a time a few years back when one player was either nightkilled N0 or probably mafia lol
[12:18:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Of course this reasoning is the same as the reasoning of "Someone can't be mafia twice in a row"
[12:18:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which isn't something I agree with
[12:21:24] ‹Calindu› Yeah, that reason just makes no sense
[12:21:41] ‹Calindu› Also, can you update the chatlog in the thread please? I'm going to sleep
[12:21:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sure
[12:21:58] ‹Calindu› Thanks
This conversation is a direct continuation from the last one
Post by: Mobian on May 26, 2019, 02:25:15 am
Quote from: dawn2dusk
If Ian didn't target Link, which would mean Flayer targeted Ian, this allows mafia Dragonfly to target Link, outing JCJ as GA. Then N0 NK just happened to target a Graboid. Btw if dd is town Graboid then the people who voted for him are super suspicious. This is also interesting, noting that FFQ supposedly targeted dd. Mafia FFQ, then dual target dd with Queen and NK would be a completely valid approach for them here, especially if other roles of theirs can get information.
The timing here doesn't seem to make sense, as the mafia wouldn't have gotten the results until D1. The N0 NK is completely blind, the only information they have is the identities of their allies.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 26, 2019, 02:32:15 am
This theory is completely wrong though, for the reason that dd voted D1
Post by: ddevans96 on May 26, 2019, 02:50:04 am
You really think I'd have rolled dirty twice in a row?
Gambler's fallacy.
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No. I am, however, annoyed that we don't seem to like evidence, and would rather strike out blindly in the asinine hopes that we get lucky enough to hit a mafia. Explain to me who that helps, aside from mafia. Thanks to us blindly shooting in the dark, we just killed off one of our strongest defenders. So yeah, I'm a tad salty. If you think that's enough to make me mafia, then so be it. It's not like we need proof to kill anyone, anyways.
Good opinion and confident mindset. However, I want to reiterate that jcj was not merely a shot in the dark - I didn't want to die, another person scumread, and we moved the wagon. If you think that suggests something about me or iancu, that's fair, but ultimately that's just how the game is - we could all be town and we just got unlucky. And it's not like we had reliable evidence anywhere else, either.
For what it's worth, I don't read Mobian as mafia. I see more aggressive+eager town play, not mafia.
I can't add more much rn, I'm away from home, no phone access, and only able to use this computer for a brief while - apologies. I should be more active tomorrow night.
I want to state publicly - if you have any questions for me, ask me directly, and they will get answered to the best of my ability - otherwise I may not always be able to play at full activity.
Post by: shockcannon on May 26, 2019, 08:24:11 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 26, 2019, 08:57:29 pm
Anyway, tonight I'm going to need some protection to get some more info. @2nd GA, protect me tonight please. You know who you are.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 03:08:49 am
Will try to get a full reads list done tonight in case I die.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 27, 2019, 04:33:57 am
Post by: Submachine on May 27, 2019, 09:42:24 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 10:45:39 am
Even if they don't push the lynch, there's nothing stopping them from adding on to existing votes. A free GA kill is really nice to have for them
Since they already have a guaranteed NK on JCJ, If dd is town I actually find it more likely that they would have pushed his lynch since he's a strong player, and even more likely that they didn't push either lynch. If dd is mafia then they definitely pushed the JCJ lynch.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 27, 2019, 11:21:21 am
Nevermind, I'm going to sleep, mafia pls no kill.If they were going to NK JCJ anyway, having the lynch be on him is already convenient for them. Now they can choose whoever they want for the NK, be it dd or someone else. At this stage, they didn't know there was a 2nd GA so there's no downside whatsoeverEven if they don't push the lynch, there's nothing stopping them from adding on to existing votes. A free GA kill is really nice to have for them
Since they already have a guaranteed NK on JCJ, If dd is town I actually find it more likely that they would have pushed his lynch since he's a strong player, and even more likely that they didn't push either lynch. If dd is mafia then they definitely pushed the JCJ lynch.
Post by: Submachine on May 27, 2019, 06:50:36 pm
[20:05:23] ‹Calindu› How so?
[20:07:44] ‹Espithel› Ian is the big scared.
[20:10:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› But it's either genius, more info, or complete madness
Post by: Submachine on May 27, 2019, 07:01:08 pm
Day 2
PlayerOa died. He was an Elemental and a Seraph.
IMPORTANT DECISION! I cannot update the new phase on Friday and Saturday, so please vote if you want a 1-day long Night 2 and 3-day long Day 3, OR, a super long Night 2 that ends on Sunday.
Day 2 has ended.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2019, 07:08:59 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2019, 07:16:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 27, 2019, 07:21:25 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 27, 2019, 07:25:53 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 27, 2019, 07:33:35 pm
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
feel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Post by: RootRanger on May 27, 2019, 07:48:36 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
ian's ability failed a second time. If it had only failed once, I'd have attributed it to something like Seraph/Anubis, but having failed twice, it looks like someone is actively roleblocking him.
And it wouldn't make sense for a civ to be roleblocking in the early nights of the game.
shock was aggressive toward ian and even outright said he has a roleblocking ability. I don't think the fact that "he always plays like this" is a valid excuse for acting how a mafia would. If we have no better leads, this is my vote.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 27, 2019, 07:58:06 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 27, 2019, 08:01:17 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
A guy who is not usually awkward is being awkward. He claims its because he is new to the mafia game, but mafia is not all that hard to understand if you are Civ. -Pretty much a sum of what link said in chat.
Post by: Espithel on May 27, 2019, 08:05:55 pm
[19:40:17] ‹Linkcat› Why am I awake right now.
[19:41:23] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› how much did you sleep?
[19:41:36] ‹Linkcat› 8 hours
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› Someone post what iancu said in the thread.
[19:44:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 2 + 4 + 9 + 6 + 9 = 30 ...
[19:51:16] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› 10 minutes left.
[19:51:16] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› you slept 8 hours and you're wondering why you're awake at...almost noon?
[19:51:20] ‹ddevans96› I mean relatable, but
[19:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[19:52:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› >mafia lynches a mafia
[19:54:18] ‹ddevans96› what if the mafia is me/Espi/MW/one other
[19:54:30] ‹ddevans96› how much would we have wrinkled brained this early game
[19:57:53] ‹Espithel› That would be beautiful.
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› If I'm the one other then someone is going to have an aneurysm.
[19:59:04] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› The last member is rob77dp.
[19:59:06] ‹Espithel› I would cum.
[20:00:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35›
(4d19) 15 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 48 ...?
[20:00:33] ‹MasterWalks›
(2d30) 27 + 2 = 29 ...
[20:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. I remember the days before this post...
[20:02:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[20:03:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Huh
[20:03:54] ‹iancudorinmarian› Roleblocked again *sigh*
[20:04:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› If any of you psion finds the mind flayer, lynch them immediately
[20:06:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 3 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 18 ...
[20:07:01] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you target the same person as last night?
[20:07:10] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[20:07:17] ‹Espithel› Different person?
[20:07:21] ‹Espithel› Hmm.
[20:07:27] ‹Espithel› That makes the graboid unlikely.
[20:07:30] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Please hold on tight until I send out night action results.
[20:07:44] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› They will come. :)
[20:07:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› I made sure to target someone unexpected and non-graboid
[20:08:00] ‹ddevans96› W A I T
[20:08:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Both the people I targeted weren't graboid
[20:09:14] ‹RootRanger› So the options include
[20:09:25] ‹MasterWalks› Im starting to think its Ward
[20:09:27] ‹RootRanger› Being roleblocked by a mafia or a bad civ
[20:09:30] ‹MasterWalks› thats blocking you
[20:09:36] ‹RootRanger› Being wardened by a civ who thinks he knows what he's doing but doesn't
[20:09:37] ‹Linkcat› Hey Root.
[20:09:58] ‹MasterWalks› i think its mafia using ward on him
[20:10:00] ‹RootRanger› Hitting Anubis or Seraph
[20:10:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[20:10:04] ‹MasterWalks› or shock is being an ass
[20:10:13] ‹RootRanger› Or ian is mafia lying to get a roleblocking role lynched
[20:10:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› I did not target Oa
[20:10:20] ‹RootRanger› Could absolutely be shock roleblocking ian twice
[20:10:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Sure, I could be lying
[20:10:40] ‹RootRanger› It might be that mafia is wardening another mafia
[20:10:52] ‹RootRanger› To protect against GN
[20:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› But getting roleblock killed isnt useful if I am mafia
[20:11:10] ‹RootRanger› I wouldn't assume roleblock if an ability fails once, but twice against separate people is unlikely
[20:11:27] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion
[20:11:30] ‹RootRanger› Also hi linkcat
[20:11:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont think shock is flayer
[20:11:48] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion and finds a civ flayer/warden
[20:12:02] ‹RootRanger› They can have one mafia claim to be roleblocked, and another out someone
[20:12:02] ‹Espithel› I want shock to be the golden nymph
[20:12:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Also, I still think Mobian is mafia
[20:12:09] ‹Espithel› That'd be the greatest meme
[20:12:09] ‹RootRanger› But
[20:12:12] ‹RootRanger› This strategy would kinda suck tbh
[20:12:19] ‹RootRanger› Seems like a huge risk for a small reward
[20:12:37] ‹ddevans96› good summon, 15 seconds
[20:12:45] ‹MasterWalks› If shock is flayer, then it makes total sense he is blocking you since he has expressed sus to ian. Him blocking ian twice is a total shock move
[20:14:01] ‹Espithel› It does.
[20:14:10] ‹Espithel› Assuming that's the case, is he scum for doing so?
[20:14:38] ‹MasterWalks› probably, but its day 2 and he promised an info dump today
[20:14:47] ‹Espithel› Wasn't that day 3?
[20:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› he moved it around a couple times so yea maybe
[20:15:16] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:15:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› In day 3 it's going to be day 4
[20:15:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› And do on
[20:15:33] ‹RootRanger› Yeah he did suspect ian for some reason, I don't really think he had reasoning behind it
[20:15:38] ‹iancudorinmarian› So
[20:15:49] ‹MasterWalks› If mafia has psion and flayer, killing seraph makes it easy for them
[20:16:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock isnt GN
[20:16:29] ‹RootRanger› Seraph was on cooldown tonight anyways
[20:16:34] ‹RootRanger› last night*
[20:16:35] ‹MasterWalks› i caught a firefly
[20:17:10] ‹MasterWalks› If he used it N0 then yea its on cooldown but its very possible he didnt use it considering the math of him getting NK N0
[20:18:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. I found Wally.
[20:18:57] ‹ddevans96› is it not a safe assumption the FFQ and/or MW are town? i.e. they won't both be mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Linkcat› No
[20:19:32] ‹Espithel› Depends. FFQ on an ER ability pretty much guarantees the firefly stays alive.
[20:19:41] ‹MasterWalks› FFQ im not too sure. Its very possible they are mafia
[20:19:48] ‹Espithel› Although Walks did just imply he has an EoR ability so er
[20:19:57] ‹Espithel› awkward
[20:19:59] ‹MasterWalks› And no not necessarily. Not every ER should be used ER
[20:20:33] ‹ddevans96› hm, I suppose you're right
[20:21:33] ‹Mobian› Yeah... I elected not to use my ability last night. It'll probably be some time before I do
[20:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[20:23:46] ‹MasterWalks› someone post something that has some info pls
[20:24:09] ‹RootRanger› I've got no hard info but I have suspicions based on how people are playing
[20:24:31] ‹MasterWalks› make a tier list of suspicions
[20:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Hmm
[20:25:00] ‹RootRanger› So tbh I haven't had time to follow it super closely
[20:25:03] ‹Mobian› I have nothing but suspicions myself.
[20:25:09] ‹RootRanger› But I have one person in mind who I think we should lynch and that's shock
[20:25:48] ‹MasterWalks› i want to see his info dump tbh
[20:25:56] ‹Espithel› The general consensus on Shock is he's not worth our time.
[20:25:57] ‹Linkcat› lol
[20:26:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from iancudorinmarian in Forum Games. I'm pretty sure...
[20:26:05] ‹RootRanger› Well
[20:26:10] ‹RootRanger› He's roleblocking ian which I don't like
[20:26:12] ‹Linkcat› Of course you want to lynch shock.
[20:26:18] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of roles that are actually useful for civs
[20:26:27] ‹Linkcat› You don't even know that.
[20:26:37] ‹ddevans96› we don't know for sure he's roleblocking iancu, it just seems likely
[20:26:42] ‹RootRanger› My policy is that if someone is acting in the best interest of mafia, they should be lynched, even if we think they're jsut a civ playing poorly
[20:26:46] ‹Linkcat› All of them are useful.
[20:26:48] ‹RootRanger› Well, yeah
[20:26:52] ‹RootRanger› Disagree
[20:27:04] ‹Linkcat› That's wrong too, never lynch a civ.
[20:27:21] ‹RootRanger› If they're c onfirmed civ then ofc not
[20:27:24] ‹RootRanger› But if we have no hard info on everyone
[20:27:33] ‹RootRanger› And there's one guy who is making an effort to screw over the civs
[20:27:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Oh, my ability failed and I caught a firefly
[20:27:39] ‹RootRanger› It's a clear choice to me
[20:27:41] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 5 + 1 + 6 + 2 = 15 ...
[20:27:45] ‹Espithel› Two fireflies caught.
[20:27:49] ‹Espithel› Excuse me.
[20:27:50] ‹Espithel› What.
[20:27:51] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:27:57] ‹RootRanger› We can have two FFQs
[20:28:00] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch whoever has the highest chance of being mafia.
[20:28:13] ‹RootRanger› Yes and no
[20:28:21] ‹RootRanger› Players like shock undermine the civ's ability to find mafias
[20:28:29] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you guys hurt the fireflies?
[20:28:47] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of useful roles, since roles like MInd Flayer and Otyugh honestly shouldn't be used by the civs at all in early game
[20:28:57] ‹RootRanger› ian has one of those roles, and he's being blocked
[20:29:02] ‹RootRanger› that's hurting the civ's prospects
[20:29:16] ‹RootRanger› I think it's unlikely ian is mafia trying to frame roleblocking civ roles
[20:29:28] ‹RootRanger› Since it would be a huge risk to pull off just to kill 1 person and then get outed
[20:29:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› Flayer is higher priority than firefly
[20:29:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› So that is how I caught it
[20:29:56] ‹RootRanger› He could be a mafia getting roleblocked, I suppose
[20:30:00] ‹iancudorinmarian› It cant see higher prio roles
[20:30:14] ‹RootRanger› Anyone could be mafia tho so I wouldn't use that reasoning
[20:30:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› @link I keep then in a jar
[20:30:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Them
[20:30:51] ‹Linkcat› Just in case your dreams get real bizzare?
[20:30:57] ‹Mobian› I will say that mine is one of the combo roles, and I won't be using it until I find someone trustworthy
[20:31:13] ‹MasterWalks› No i has him in a jar. named him francis
[20:31:16] ‹RootRanger› So basically what I'm saying is that ian is likely a civ with a useful role, and shock is likely the one roleblocking him - that makes for a clear choice in my mind
[20:31:29] ‹Linkcat› Please don't out your role.
[20:31:42] ‹Espithel› By the way. Because I love you.
[20:31:43] ‹RootRanger› Ofc not
[20:31:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I wasn't roleblocked. :^)
[20:32:01] ‹RootRanger› But someone who uses their role at all in the early rounds is more important than half the roles in this game which are not very useful at all
[20:32:12] ‹MasterWalks› no one except me is sus of you then
[20:32:28] ‹Linkcat› That was to Mobian.
[20:32:43] ‹RootRanger› OH, yeah
[20:32:47] ‹MasterWalks› I will have to put my focus elsewhere until i can get concrete evidence that you are mafia
[20:32:56] ‹Espithel› Attaboy!
[20:33:03] ‹Espithel› You've gotta stay flexible in mafia.
[20:33:06] ‹RootRanger› Concrete evidence can only come from 1 person in the game and we don't want him revealing his identity
[20:33:29] ‹RootRanger› I'm open to chancing the lynch on Espi, but I'd want MW to be lynched afterward if Espi turns civ
[20:33:58] ‹RootRanger› Although since he just said he wasn't roleblocked, he could have a useful role too which I wouldn't want to lynch
[20:34:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. The grammar could use some work.
[20:34:08] ‹RootRanger› Still feel bad about jcj :/
[20:34:09] ‹MasterWalks› not necessarily. I wait for him to slip up then blast the hell outta that slip up until people are convinced.
[20:34:21] ‹Espithel› But what if I never slip up
[20:34:23] ‹Espithel› :^)
[20:34:34] ‹PlayerOa› Oh I died
[20:34:35] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[20:34:44] ‹Linkcat› F
[20:34:45] ‹MasterWalks› mafia always slips up and you are probably a bit rusty
[20:34:47] ‹MasterWalks› F
[20:35:04] ‹ddevans96› F
[20:35:05] ‹RootRanger› Eh
[20:35:14] ‹Mobian› F
[20:35:16] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@PlayerOa› More time for next league season! :D
[20:35:17] ‹RootRanger› We can hold off on the lynch on Espi for a few rounds if we want
[20:35:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› F
[20:35:25] ‹MasterWalks› speaking of
[20:35:27] ‹Espithel› G
[20:35:29] ‹RootRanger› But if MW dies and turns civ I'd want Espi lynched immediately after
[20:35:36] ‹ddevans96› yeah, again, if you think Root is rusty in a -logic game-, I think you're crazy
[20:35:49] ‹RootRanger› Or if it gets to lynch-or-die then I think Espi is still a solid choice
[20:35:53] ‹ddevans96› maybe that's just you not knowing Root, but
[20:35:54] ‹RootRanger› ty dd <3
[20:36:00] ‹MasterWalks› No not root
[20:36:02] ‹MasterWalks› espi
[20:36:10] ‹ddevans96› oh
[20:36:12] ‹Espithel› Why do you want me lynched if MW turns civ
[20:36:14] ‹Espithel› I don't care about him
[20:36:19] ‹Espithel› Stop making me care about him
[20:36:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA
[20:36:25] ‹ddevans96› people were saying that about Root earlier in the game, so guess I misunderstood here
[20:36:41] ‹RootRanger› God it was so frustrating last game tbh
[20:36:53] ‹MasterWalks› i care about you espi. you should care about me. :heart:
[20:36:54] ‹RootRanger› When civs were roleblocking each other and hiding information from their confirmed civ
[20:37:13] ‹RootRanger› And then I lynch one of 'em and everyone's like "root dumb"
[20:37:21] ‹MasterWalks› *cough* insig *cough*
[20:37:25] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@MasterWalks› Lol like I spent hours of hours of mafia analysis anyway.
[20:37:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, last game was a shitshow to watch lol
[20:37:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› NoobRanger
[20:37:33] ‹RootRanger› yeah.... it's k now tho
[20:37:46] • Espithel licks Walks
[20:38:14] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:38:37] ‹RootRanger› My lynch order would go 1.) shock 2.) Espi
[20:38:54] ‹MasterWalks› too far
[20:39:07] ‹RootRanger› wdym?
[20:39:19] • Espithel fucking glomps Walks
[20:39:20] ‹Espithel› OwO
[20:39:28] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of waiting a few rounds to lynch Espi
[20:39:33] ‹Espithel› What's it like being cared about
[20:39:45] ‹MasterWalks› not good
[20:39:46] ‹RootRanger› Just as long as we remember the mW/Espi feud
[20:40:17] ‹Linkcat› I really don't think there's anything there.
[20:40:19] ‹Espithel› What
[20:40:25] ‹Espithel› Feud
[20:40:33] ‹Linkcat› It's just a normal scumread.
[20:40:35] ‹RootRanger› Idk maybe feud is the wrong word
[20:40:43] ‹RootRanger› Eh it felt stronger than a normal scumread
[20:40:46] ‹Linkcat› A bad one.
[20:40:51] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@RootRanger› btw, last game you wanted to lynch me even though I was hiding nothing from you D:
[20:40:52] ‹Espithel› That's because Walks has conviction
[20:41:00] ‹Espithel› He has the power of god and anime on his side#
[20:41:07] ‹RootRanger› @ian you literally never PMed me your targets bruh
[20:41:08] ‹ddevans96› 'feud' is a term my group uses for -any- conflict where we shouldn't be trusting either side, one-sided or not
[20:41:11] ‹RootRanger› Also
[20:41:14] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn'
[20:41:20] ‹RootRanger› It was lynch-or-die and if I killed you, it would kill Mobian as well bc of your role
[20:41:24] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn't have used it here, but it is what it is
[20:41:43] ‹RootRanger› My scumreads at that point were you, sub, mobian, and by lynching you I would kill 2 people on the list instead of just 1
[20:41:54] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:42:02] ‹RootRanger› I have an idea of what's happening with MW/Espi but don't want to outright say it
[20:42:09] ‹RootRanger› I think for now
[20:42:11] ‹RootRanger› we should focus on other targets
[20:42:23] ‹RootRanger› ie shock
[20:42:42] ‹Linkcat› Just because he pushed it hard doesn't make it a better read, I do that all the time.
[20:46:31] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Hey Root, been a while
[20:46:39] ‹MyNameIsJoey› In hindsight, hey everybody else, been a while as well
[20:46:42] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :D
[20:47:00] ‹Mobian› Welcome back
[20:47:23] ‹ddevans96› o/
[20:47:53] ‹MyNameIsJoey› not back per se, just in chat, looking to see if someone answered my request in forum earlier, looks like no answers yet.
[20:48:00] ‹RootRanger› Oh hey joey
[20:48:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Fee... from MasterWalks in PvP League. There is no spit in this post!
[20:48:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hey jijo
[20:48:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› #bringjijoback
[20:48:59] ‹Mobian› Can someone upload this chat?
[20:49:43] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› If the chat doesn't continue, I can upload it.
[20:49:55] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Otherwise I would let it continue.
[20:50:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Am I sexy for knowing that?
[20:50:53] ‹MasterWalks› is anyone against lynching kaempf?
[20:51:09] ‹MasterWalks› I am starting to think he is playing as a first time mafia
[20:51:48] ‹ddevans96› we tossed that possibility around a bit last round
[20:51:53] ‹Linkcat› I still want to lynch him.
[20:51:56] ‹ddevans96› I'm still not really for or against it
[20:52:12] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should apply some pressure
[20:52:20] ‹RootRanger› Could someone summarize the argument against kamepf
[20:52:27] ‹RootRanger› I'd been reading the thread but not super closely
[20:52:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 9 + 9 + 6 + 5 = 37 ...!
[20:54:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I'm in the opinion in mafia that
[20:54:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› No argument for is an argument against.
[20:55:00] ‹ddevans96› k
[20:55:10] ‹Linkcat› He was awkward and then suddenly wasn't awkward, I think this is because he talked to his mafia team and then adjusted his play.
[20:56:11] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› kaempf is not usually an awkward person too. Hes usually clean cut in his decisions and has a lot of personal confidence. He blames his awkwardness on being new to the Mafia game
[20:56:28] ‹RootRanger› Being new isn't hard if you're civ lol
[20:56:31] ‹MasterWalks› which i find a bit strange
[20:56:35] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[20:56:38] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of it
[20:56:55] ‹RootRanger› So I'd be ok with a lynch on shock/Espi/kaempf then
[20:57:09] ‹RootRanger› I still prefer shock because it's going based on hard information
[20:57:27] ‹RootRanger› ie results of direct roles rather than reads on playstyle
[20:58:25] ‹Mobian› ‹@RootRanger› you're assuming Shock was honest about his role. I'm not certain he was.
[20:58:50] ‹RootRanger› Claiming a role you don't have generally isn't a good civ strategy
[20:59:00] ‹RootRanger› I'm hugely against civs lying as part of their strategy
[20:59:02] ‹ddevans96› he kinda did backpedal Flayer, and then he backpedaled -that-
[20:59:17] ‹RootRanger› If we don't call them out for it, mafia can lie too, and that makes them way harder to deal with
[20:59:24] ‹ddevans96› so...yeah, if you want to policy lynch based on lying, then at some point he certainly was
[20:59:26] ‹RootRanger› Idk
[20:59:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› The problem is, its not looking good on him right now that he claimed Flayer and put sus on ian, then ian gets blocked twice in a row
[20:59:34] ‹RootRanger› If nobody wants to lynch shock I'm still ok with the other 2 options
[20:59:53] ‹RootRanger› YEah, policy lynch is a good way of putting it
[20:59:56] ‹ddevans96› but he never claimed to block iancu, and claimed that he didn't
[21:00:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[21:01:16] ‹Mobian› Shock is also less vocal this game, which is likely an attempt to control himself.... yeah, better safe than sorry
[21:01:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› There could well be 2 flayers
[21:01:48] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's a possibility
[21:01:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Though I find that unliky
[21:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[21:02:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› Since noone else claimed to be blocked
[21:02:46] ‹MasterWalks› ok ill be back in like 6 hours. No lynch on me pls
[21:03:13] ‹RootRanger› I should get some work done as well
[21:03:17] ‹RootRanger› Will follow the thread
[19:41:23] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› how much did you sleep?
[19:41:36] ‹Linkcat› 8 hours
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› Someone post what iancu said in the thread.
[19:44:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 2 + 4 + 9 + 6 + 9 = 30 ...
[19:51:16] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› 10 minutes left.
[19:51:16] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› you slept 8 hours and you're wondering why you're awake at...almost noon?
[19:51:20] ‹ddevans96› I mean relatable, but
[19:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[19:52:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› >mafia lynches a mafia
[19:54:18] ‹ddevans96› what if the mafia is me/Espi/MW/one other
[19:54:30] ‹ddevans96› how much would we have wrinkled brained this early game
[19:57:53] ‹Espithel› That would be beautiful.
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› If I'm the one other then someone is going to have an aneurysm.
[19:59:04] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› The last member is rob77dp.
[19:59:06] ‹Espithel› I would cum.
[20:00:00] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35›
(4d19) 15 + 10 + 11 + 12 = 48 ...?
[20:00:33] ‹MasterWalks›
(2d30) 27 + 2 = 29 ...
[20:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. I remember the days before this post...
[20:02:18] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› LOL
[20:03:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Huh
[20:03:54] ‹iancudorinmarian› Roleblocked again *sigh*
[20:04:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› If any of you psion finds the mind flayer, lynch them immediately
[20:06:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 3 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 2 = 18 ...
[20:07:01] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you target the same person as last night?
[20:07:10] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[20:07:17] ‹Espithel› Different person?
[20:07:21] ‹Espithel› Hmm.
[20:07:27] ‹Espithel› That makes the graboid unlikely.
[20:07:30] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Please hold on tight until I send out night action results.
[20:07:44] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› They will come. :)
[20:07:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› I made sure to target someone unexpected and non-graboid
[20:08:00] ‹ddevans96› W A I T
[20:08:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Both the people I targeted weren't graboid
[20:09:14] ‹RootRanger› So the options include
[20:09:25] ‹MasterWalks› Im starting to think its Ward
[20:09:27] ‹RootRanger› Being roleblocked by a mafia or a bad civ
[20:09:30] ‹MasterWalks› thats blocking you
[20:09:36] ‹RootRanger› Being wardened by a civ who thinks he knows what he's doing but doesn't
[20:09:37] ‹Linkcat› Hey Root.
[20:09:58] ‹MasterWalks› i think its mafia using ward on him
[20:10:00] ‹RootRanger› Hitting Anubis or Seraph
[20:10:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[20:10:04] ‹MasterWalks› or shock is being an ass
[20:10:13] ‹RootRanger› Or ian is mafia lying to get a roleblocking role lynched
[20:10:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› I did not target Oa
[20:10:20] ‹RootRanger› Could absolutely be shock roleblocking ian twice
[20:10:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Sure, I could be lying
[20:10:40] ‹RootRanger› It might be that mafia is wardening another mafia
[20:10:52] ‹RootRanger› To protect against GN
[20:10:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› But getting roleblock killed isnt useful if I am mafia
[20:11:10] ‹RootRanger› I wouldn't assume roleblock if an ability fails once, but twice against separate people is unlikely
[20:11:27] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion
[20:11:30] ‹RootRanger› Also hi linkcat
[20:11:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont think shock is flayer
[20:11:48] ‹RootRanger› If mafia has a Psion and finds a civ flayer/warden
[20:12:02] ‹RootRanger› They can have one mafia claim to be roleblocked, and another out someone
[20:12:02] ‹Espithel› I want shock to be the golden nymph
[20:12:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Also, I still think Mobian is mafia
[20:12:09] ‹Espithel› That'd be the greatest meme
[20:12:09] ‹RootRanger› But
[20:12:12] ‹RootRanger› This strategy would kinda suck tbh
[20:12:19] ‹RootRanger› Seems like a huge risk for a small reward
[20:12:37] ‹ddevans96› good summon, 15 seconds
[20:12:45] ‹MasterWalks› If shock is flayer, then it makes total sense he is blocking you since he has expressed sus to ian. Him blocking ian twice is a total shock move
[20:14:01] ‹Espithel› It does.
[20:14:10] ‹Espithel› Assuming that's the case, is he scum for doing so?
[20:14:38] ‹MasterWalks› probably, but its day 2 and he promised an info dump today
[20:14:47] ‹Espithel› Wasn't that day 3?
[20:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› he moved it around a couple times so yea maybe
[20:15:16] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:15:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› In day 3 it's going to be day 4
[20:15:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› And do on
[20:15:33] ‹RootRanger› Yeah he did suspect ian for some reason, I don't really think he had reasoning behind it
[20:15:38] ‹iancudorinmarian› So
[20:15:49] ‹MasterWalks› If mafia has psion and flayer, killing seraph makes it easy for them
[20:16:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock isnt GN
[20:16:29] ‹RootRanger› Seraph was on cooldown tonight anyways
[20:16:34] ‹RootRanger› last night*
[20:16:35] ‹MasterWalks› i caught a firefly
[20:17:10] ‹MasterWalks› If he used it N0 then yea its on cooldown but its very possible he didnt use it considering the math of him getting NK N0
[20:18:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. I found Wally.
[20:18:57] ‹ddevans96› is it not a safe assumption the FFQ and/or MW are town? i.e. they won't both be mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Linkcat› No
[20:19:32] ‹Espithel› Depends. FFQ on an ER ability pretty much guarantees the firefly stays alive.
[20:19:41] ‹MasterWalks› FFQ im not too sure. Its very possible they are mafia
[20:19:48] ‹Espithel› Although Walks did just imply he has an EoR ability so er
[20:19:57] ‹Espithel› awkward
[20:19:59] ‹MasterWalks› And no not necessarily. Not every ER should be used ER
[20:20:33] ‹ddevans96› hm, I suppose you're right
[20:21:33] ‹Mobian› Yeah... I elected not to use my ability last night. It'll probably be some time before I do
[20:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[20:23:46] ‹MasterWalks› someone post something that has some info pls
[20:24:09] ‹RootRanger› I've got no hard info but I have suspicions based on how people are playing
[20:24:31] ‹MasterWalks› make a tier list of suspicions
[20:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Hmm
[20:25:00] ‹RootRanger› So tbh I haven't had time to follow it super closely
[20:25:03] ‹Mobian› I have nothing but suspicions myself.
[20:25:09] ‹RootRanger› But I have one person in mind who I think we should lynch and that's shock
[20:25:48] ‹MasterWalks› i want to see his info dump tbh
[20:25:56] ‹Espithel› The general consensus on Shock is he's not worth our time.
[20:25:57] ‹Linkcat› lol
[20:26:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from iancudorinmarian in Forum Games. I'm pretty sure...
[20:26:05] ‹RootRanger› Well
[20:26:10] ‹RootRanger› He's roleblocking ian which I don't like
[20:26:12] ‹Linkcat› Of course you want to lynch shock.
[20:26:18] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of roles that are actually useful for civs
[20:26:27] ‹Linkcat› You don't even know that.
[20:26:37] ‹ddevans96› we don't know for sure he's roleblocking iancu, it just seems likely
[20:26:42] ‹RootRanger› My policy is that if someone is acting in the best interest of mafia, they should be lynched, even if we think they're jsut a civ playing poorly
[20:26:46] ‹Linkcat› All of them are useful.
[20:26:48] ‹RootRanger› Well, yeah
[20:26:52] ‹RootRanger› Disagree
[20:27:04] ‹Linkcat› That's wrong too, never lynch a civ.
[20:27:21] ‹RootRanger› If they're c onfirmed civ then ofc not
[20:27:24] ‹RootRanger› But if we have no hard info on everyone
[20:27:33] ‹RootRanger› And there's one guy who is making an effort to screw over the civs
[20:27:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Oh, my ability failed and I caught a firefly
[20:27:39] ‹RootRanger› It's a clear choice to me
[20:27:41] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 5 + 1 + 6 + 2 = 15 ...
[20:27:45] ‹Espithel› Two fireflies caught.
[20:27:49] ‹Espithel› Excuse me.
[20:27:50] ‹Espithel› What.
[20:27:51] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:27:57] ‹RootRanger› We can have two FFQs
[20:28:00] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch whoever has the highest chance of being mafia.
[20:28:13] ‹RootRanger› Yes and no
[20:28:21] ‹RootRanger› Players like shock undermine the civ's ability to find mafias
[20:28:29] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Did you guys hurt the fireflies?
[20:28:47] ‹RootRanger› There's a limited number of useful roles, since roles like MInd Flayer and Otyugh honestly shouldn't be used by the civs at all in early game
[20:28:57] ‹RootRanger› ian has one of those roles, and he's being blocked
[20:29:02] ‹RootRanger› that's hurting the civ's prospects
[20:29:16] ‹RootRanger› I think it's unlikely ian is mafia trying to frame roleblocking civ roles
[20:29:28] ‹RootRanger› Since it would be a huge risk to pull off just to kill 1 person and then get outed
[20:29:37] ‹iancudorinmarian› Flayer is higher priority than firefly
[20:29:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› So that is how I caught it
[20:29:56] ‹RootRanger› He could be a mafia getting roleblocked, I suppose
[20:30:00] ‹iancudorinmarian› It cant see higher prio roles
[20:30:14] ‹RootRanger› Anyone could be mafia tho so I wouldn't use that reasoning
[20:30:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› @link I keep then in a jar
[20:30:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Them
[20:30:51] ‹Linkcat› Just in case your dreams get real bizzare?
[20:30:57] ‹Mobian› I will say that mine is one of the combo roles, and I won't be using it until I find someone trustworthy
[20:31:13] ‹MasterWalks› No i has him in a jar. named him francis
[20:31:16] ‹RootRanger› So basically what I'm saying is that ian is likely a civ with a useful role, and shock is likely the one roleblocking him - that makes for a clear choice in my mind
[20:31:29] ‹Linkcat› Please don't out your role.
[20:31:42] ‹Espithel› By the way. Because I love you.
[20:31:43] ‹RootRanger› Ofc not
[20:31:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I wasn't roleblocked. :^)
[20:32:01] ‹RootRanger› But someone who uses their role at all in the early rounds is more important than half the roles in this game which are not very useful at all
[20:32:12] ‹MasterWalks› no one except me is sus of you then
[20:32:28] ‹Linkcat› That was to Mobian.
[20:32:43] ‹RootRanger› OH, yeah
[20:32:47] ‹MasterWalks› I will have to put my focus elsewhere until i can get concrete evidence that you are mafia
[20:32:56] ‹Espithel› Attaboy!
[20:33:03] ‹Espithel› You've gotta stay flexible in mafia.
[20:33:06] ‹RootRanger› Concrete evidence can only come from 1 person in the game and we don't want him revealing his identity
[20:33:29] ‹RootRanger› I'm open to chancing the lynch on Espi, but I'd want MW to be lynched afterward if Espi turns civ
[20:33:58] ‹RootRanger› Although since he just said he wasn't roleblocked, he could have a useful role too which I wouldn't want to lynch
[20:34:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. The grammar could use some work.
[20:34:08] ‹RootRanger› Still feel bad about jcj :/
[20:34:09] ‹MasterWalks› not necessarily. I wait for him to slip up then blast the hell outta that slip up until people are convinced.
[20:34:21] ‹Espithel› But what if I never slip up
[20:34:23] ‹Espithel› :^)
[20:34:34] ‹PlayerOa› Oh I died
[20:34:35] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[20:34:44] ‹Linkcat› F
[20:34:45] ‹MasterWalks› mafia always slips up and you are probably a bit rusty
[20:34:47] ‹MasterWalks› F
[20:35:04] ‹ddevans96› F
[20:35:05] ‹RootRanger› Eh
[20:35:14] ‹Mobian› F
[20:35:16] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@PlayerOa› More time for next league season! :D
[20:35:17] ‹RootRanger› We can hold off on the lynch on Espi for a few rounds if we want
[20:35:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› F
[20:35:25] ‹MasterWalks› speaking of
[20:35:27] ‹Espithel› G
[20:35:29] ‹RootRanger› But if MW dies and turns civ I'd want Espi lynched immediately after
[20:35:36] ‹ddevans96› yeah, again, if you think Root is rusty in a -logic game-, I think you're crazy
[20:35:49] ‹RootRanger› Or if it gets to lynch-or-die then I think Espi is still a solid choice
[20:35:53] ‹ddevans96› maybe that's just you not knowing Root, but
[20:35:54] ‹RootRanger› ty dd <3
[20:36:00] ‹MasterWalks› No not root
[20:36:02] ‹MasterWalks› espi
[20:36:10] ‹ddevans96› oh
[20:36:12] ‹Espithel› Why do you want me lynched if MW turns civ
[20:36:14] ‹Espithel› I don't care about him
[20:36:19] ‹Espithel› Stop making me care about him
[20:36:22] ‹Espithel› aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA
[20:36:25] ‹ddevans96› people were saying that about Root earlier in the game, so guess I misunderstood here
[20:36:41] ‹RootRanger› God it was so frustrating last game tbh
[20:36:53] ‹MasterWalks› i care about you espi. you should care about me. :heart:
[20:36:54] ‹RootRanger› When civs were roleblocking each other and hiding information from their confirmed civ
[20:37:13] ‹RootRanger› And then I lynch one of 'em and everyone's like "root dumb"
[20:37:21] ‹MasterWalks› *cough* insig *cough*
[20:37:25] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@MasterWalks› Lol like I spent hours of hours of mafia analysis anyway.
[20:37:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, last game was a shitshow to watch lol
[20:37:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› NoobRanger
[20:37:33] ‹RootRanger› yeah.... it's k now tho
[20:37:46] • Espithel licks Walks
[20:38:14] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:38:37] ‹RootRanger› My lynch order would go 1.) shock 2.) Espi
[20:38:54] ‹MasterWalks› too far
[20:39:07] ‹RootRanger› wdym?
[20:39:19] • Espithel fucking glomps Walks
[20:39:20] ‹Espithel› OwO
[20:39:28] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of waiting a few rounds to lynch Espi
[20:39:33] ‹Espithel› What's it like being cared about
[20:39:45] ‹MasterWalks› not good
[20:39:46] ‹RootRanger› Just as long as we remember the mW/Espi feud
[20:40:17] ‹Linkcat› I really don't think there's anything there.
[20:40:19] ‹Espithel› What
[20:40:25] ‹Espithel› Feud
[20:40:33] ‹Linkcat› It's just a normal scumread.
[20:40:35] ‹RootRanger› Idk maybe feud is the wrong word
[20:40:43] ‹RootRanger› Eh it felt stronger than a normal scumread
[20:40:46] ‹Linkcat› A bad one.
[20:40:51] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@RootRanger› btw, last game you wanted to lynch me even though I was hiding nothing from you D:
[20:40:52] ‹Espithel› That's because Walks has conviction
[20:41:00] ‹Espithel› He has the power of god and anime on his side#
[20:41:07] ‹RootRanger› @ian you literally never PMed me your targets bruh
[20:41:08] ‹ddevans96› 'feud' is a term my group uses for -any- conflict where we shouldn't be trusting either side, one-sided or not
[20:41:11] ‹RootRanger› Also
[20:41:14] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn'
[20:41:20] ‹RootRanger› It was lynch-or-die and if I killed you, it would kill Mobian as well bc of your role
[20:41:24] ‹ddevans96› I shouldn't have used it here, but it is what it is
[20:41:43] ‹RootRanger› My scumreads at that point were you, sub, mobian, and by lynching you I would kill 2 people on the list instead of just 1
[20:41:54] ‹RootRanger› So
[20:42:02] ‹RootRanger› I have an idea of what's happening with MW/Espi but don't want to outright say it
[20:42:09] ‹RootRanger› I think for now
[20:42:11] ‹RootRanger› we should focus on other targets
[20:42:23] ‹RootRanger› ie shock
[20:42:42] ‹Linkcat› Just because he pushed it hard doesn't make it a better read, I do that all the time.
[20:46:31] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Hey Root, been a while
[20:46:39] ‹MyNameIsJoey› In hindsight, hey everybody else, been a while as well
[20:46:42] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :D
[20:47:00] ‹Mobian› Welcome back
[20:47:23] ‹ddevans96› o/
[20:47:53] ‹MyNameIsJoey› not back per se, just in chat, looking to see if someone answered my request in forum earlier, looks like no answers yet.
[20:48:00] ‹RootRanger› Oh hey joey
[20:48:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements PvP League - Suggestions and Fee... from MasterWalks in PvP League. There is no spit in this post!
[20:48:46] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hey jijo
[20:48:57] ‹iancudorinmarian› #bringjijoback
[20:48:59] ‹Mobian› Can someone upload this chat?
[20:49:43] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› If the chat doesn't continue, I can upload it.
[20:49:55] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Otherwise I would let it continue.
[20:50:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Am I sexy for knowing that?
[20:50:53] ‹MasterWalks› is anyone against lynching kaempf?
[20:51:09] ‹MasterWalks› I am starting to think he is playing as a first time mafia
[20:51:48] ‹ddevans96› we tossed that possibility around a bit last round
[20:51:53] ‹Linkcat› I still want to lynch him.
[20:51:56] ‹ddevans96› I'm still not really for or against it
[20:52:12] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should apply some pressure
[20:52:20] ‹RootRanger› Could someone summarize the argument against kamepf
[20:52:27] ‹RootRanger› I'd been reading the thread but not super closely
[20:52:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 9 + 9 + 6 + 5 = 37 ...!
[20:54:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I'm in the opinion in mafia that
[20:54:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› No argument for is an argument against.
[20:55:00] ‹ddevans96› k
[20:55:10] ‹Linkcat› He was awkward and then suddenly wasn't awkward, I think this is because he talked to his mafia team and then adjusted his play.
[20:56:11] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[20:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› kaempf is not usually an awkward person too. Hes usually clean cut in his decisions and has a lot of personal confidence. He blames his awkwardness on being new to the Mafia game
[20:56:28] ‹RootRanger› Being new isn't hard if you're civ lol
[20:56:31] ‹MasterWalks› which i find a bit strange
[20:56:35] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[20:56:38] ‹RootRanger› I see the merits of it
[20:56:55] ‹RootRanger› So I'd be ok with a lynch on shock/Espi/kaempf then
[20:57:09] ‹RootRanger› I still prefer shock because it's going based on hard information
[20:57:27] ‹RootRanger› ie results of direct roles rather than reads on playstyle
[20:58:25] ‹Mobian› ‹@RootRanger› you're assuming Shock was honest about his role. I'm not certain he was.
[20:58:50] ‹RootRanger› Claiming a role you don't have generally isn't a good civ strategy
[20:59:00] ‹RootRanger› I'm hugely against civs lying as part of their strategy
[20:59:02] ‹ddevans96› he kinda did backpedal Flayer, and then he backpedaled -that-
[20:59:17] ‹RootRanger› If we don't call them out for it, mafia can lie too, and that makes them way harder to deal with
[20:59:24] ‹ddevans96› so...yeah, if you want to policy lynch based on lying, then at some point he certainly was
[20:59:26] ‹RootRanger› Idk
[20:59:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› The problem is, its not looking good on him right now that he claimed Flayer and put sus on ian, then ian gets blocked twice in a row
[20:59:34] ‹RootRanger› If nobody wants to lynch shock I'm still ok with the other 2 options
[20:59:53] ‹RootRanger› YEah, policy lynch is a good way of putting it
[20:59:56] ‹ddevans96› but he never claimed to block iancu, and claimed that he didn't
[21:00:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[21:01:16] ‹Mobian› Shock is also less vocal this game, which is likely an attempt to control himself.... yeah, better safe than sorry
[21:01:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› There could well be 2 flayers
[21:01:48] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's a possibility
[21:01:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Though I find that unliky
[21:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[21:02:04] ‹iancudorinmarian› Since noone else claimed to be blocked
[21:02:46] ‹MasterWalks› ok ill be back in like 6 hours. No lynch on me pls
[21:03:13] ‹RootRanger› I should get some work done as well
[21:03:17] ‹RootRanger› Will follow the thread
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2019, 08:09:51 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 27, 2019, 08:12:07 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 27, 2019, 08:12:14 pm
Can’t have blocked ian if he caught a firefly. So either we’re both liars or neither. You pick Root.
FFs can't detect higher priority actions.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 27, 2019, 08:21:13 pm
Can’t have blocked ian if he caught a firefly. So either we’re both liars or neither. You pick Root.
You should fully understand the rules before attempting to maintain a power position and marionette town.
/me rings bell of shame
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 08:31:17 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 27, 2019, 08:56:50 pm
Gonna refrain on voting for now, but figured that it could be vaguely useful to give this info.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 27, 2019, 08:58:57 pm
Who would want me dead?
Post by: Ginyu on May 27, 2019, 09:06:10 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 09:22:19 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2019, 09:43:54 pm
@Espithel
@RootRanger
I know you 3 do not trust me at all and would be some of the last ones to trust me. This is going to be harsh, but the three of you are all town and you're all really bad at playing as town. For reals MW, espithel is town okay? I know all 3 of you are going to ignore this, so I have a plan. Keep me alive for one more day, then I info bomb on day 3 and reveal all 4 mafia (I currently am pretty sure about 3). Then you lynch me on day 3 because you're not going to trust me until I'm confirmed town. But when I die and I flip town, you 3 need to band together and stick to my plan that I lay out on day 3. Don't be dissuaded and tricked by all the other losers playing this game. They're really good at manipulating. I know this text seems patronizing and disrespectful. In all honesty, it probably is, but we all care about winning this game.
I'm asking you to trust in this plan because step one of the plan requires me getting lynched. After I get lynched, you can feel free to ignore anything I say. But at least keep me alive for one day and then lynch me.
Post by: Espithel on May 27, 2019, 09:49:43 pm
You live today.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 27, 2019, 09:50:42 pm
We can find out on day 3 whether he's useful or not. Who would we rather lynch today?
Post by: RootRanger on May 27, 2019, 10:21:32 pm
That being said, if ddevans wants to go for a different lynch, I'll follow through with it, since I think he is almost certainly a civ. The best explanation for usage of the Otyugh ability this early in the game is that a mafia Otyugh expects to be lynched soon and wants to do something useful before he dies. If ddevans were mafia, the Otyugh wouldn't really have enough to go off of to justify using his ability so early on. It's also possible that Insig is just outright lying about what he saw, and both of them are mafia, but that wouldn't make any sense at all since neither of them is under risk of being lynched so they don't need to do anything drastic. If we lynch Insig, we can know for sure if he's telling the truth about what he saw, plus he seemed to be blind roleblocking which wouldn't make sense for a civ but I could see him doing anyways.
I guess kaempf is still a decent enough lynch? I'd prefer Espithel but this is if we want to listen to shock.
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 10:28:08 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 10:31:46 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 27, 2019, 10:36:15 pm
and here are a few things about playstyle I noticed:
I am not so sure catching Fireflies should be reported anymore. With 2(+) FFQs we could quicklly give away everyone who does not target people.
There might not be a second civ GA, since ian caught a Firefly.
insig claimed his role?!
I hoped to get some vague theories in today, too, but will hopefully get around to it tomorrow. Unless shock solves it all by himself.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 27, 2019, 10:38:05 pm
Pipeworks revealed that I was way too trusting in this type of game (since literally everyone else had 2 spies and I knew I wasnt and both the others of our 3 potential true teammates could correctly state our faction goal (on simultaneous reveal) I had just assumed we were a bigger but limited through roles team). So thats a hit to my confidence right there. Additionally I felt the need to talk a lot in order to gain information, while i had nothing to go off yet. I am convinced I would be less awkward if I knew who my teammates were. Perhaps it would have been easier to take a backseat as town, but that wasnt how I heard this game was supposed to be played.
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2019, 10:41:46 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 27, 2019, 11:16:40 pm
Can confirm that there is at least one Otyugh in the game. dd was targeted by them.
Gonna refrain on voting for now, but figured that it could be vaguely useful to give this info.
Ooh, interesting.
Who would want me dead?
Quote from: chat interaction dd/insig
[21:49:09] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› post in mafia when you can. I want to hear your thoughts
[21:50:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ok
[21:50:52] ‹ddevans96› ty
I find this interaction quite strange, if not forced, dd asks Insig to post his thoughts, and 5 minutes later he outs himself as Warden and says an Otyugh targeted dd. I believe that's a lie, but let's see the cases if it were true:
1. Mafia Otyugh, Town dd: Doesn't really make much sense really, there's no reason for mafia to force a kill on dd, who was very close to being lynched D1, while outing one of their own.
2. Town Otyugh, Unknown dd: Again, doesn't really make much sense and is pretty much a terrible play, no reason for anyone to do it.
The only way I see an Otyugh using their ability on dd this early is if a Fate Egg got GN and investigated him N0 and then got Otyugh and targetted him N1, but dd said he caught a firefly N0 and no one called him out on this, so this is not possible.
Now I'm not sure if they are mafia or if someone actually targeted dd as Otyugh with no additional info, because I also find it hard to believe they'll try something like this if they were mafia.
I'm going to put my vote on dd for now, but will consider changing if someone has a better lead.
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
Post by: Linkcat on May 27, 2019, 11:27:04 pm
[13:05:27] ‹ddevans96› Espi: what percentage of your vote on IF is omgus/pressure/actual desire to lynch
[13:05:28] ‹Mobian› Checking in from work myself
[13:05:57] ‹Mobian› Omgus?
[13:06:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[13:06:04] ‹ddevans96› oh my god you suck
[13:06:10] ‹ddevans96› basically 'I'm voting for you bc you voted on me'
[13:06:27] ‹Mobian› Oh, spite
[13:06:32] ‹ddevans96› pretty much
[13:06:49] ‹MyNameIsJoey› On the website i used to play mafia on
[13:06:55] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› If that really is what omgus means, it's a stupid acronym.
[13:06:59] ‹MyNameIsJoey› there was this one guy who could somehow always tell whether or not I was mafia.
[13:07:05] ‹ddevans96› how is it stupid?
[13:07:47] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› 0%/99%/1%
[13:07:52] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› It doesn't convey the actual meaning of the vote, plus it's smack talk.
[13:08:09] ‹ddevans96› it was named after an actual exchange in the earlier days of mafiascum
[13:08:36] ‹ddevans96› also - it does, and it isn't
[13:08:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean...I guess it doesn't directly
[13:09:05] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› From that acronym, I would have guessed that it's a pity vote for players who can't play properly.
[13:09:14] ‹ddevans96› but, like...it's definitely relatable
[13:09:21] ‹Espithel› OMG YOU SUCK, EVERYONE LYNCH
[13:09:22] ‹Espithel› er
[13:09:25] ‹Espithel› I need er
[13:09:27] ‹Espithel› DEMAGOG
[13:09:31] ‹ddevans96› it's not 'suck' as in 'you're bad at the game'
[13:09:40] ‹Espithel› It's suck as in "i hate you >:("
[13:09:44] ‹ddevans96› it's 'you suck' as in 'fuck you'
[13:10:04] ‹Espithel› 'please do :heart:'
[13:10:10] ‹ddevans96› or more accurately, what Espi said
[13:10:26] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› That makes more sense, though it's not the first thing that would come to my mind in any of the parallel universes.
[13:10:50] • Espithel coughs.
[13:11:01] ‹Espithel› It's just, I get feud's not a 100% tryhard meta player
[13:11:34] ‹Espithel› But you don't get to not exist, say "I think Espi's scum, I think these two people are tone", nothing else, and then go back to not existing
[13:11:35] ‹Linkcat› It's his first game lol.
[13:11:44] ‹Espithel› these two people are town*
[13:11:53] ‹Linkcat› He gave reads, that's good.
[13:12:10] ‹Espithel› You should explain your reads, though.
[13:12:14] ‹Linkcat› I happen to like two of those reads.
[13:12:22] ‹ddevans96› I guess an equivalent would be if you play Catan, someone moves the robber to you, you said 'oh my god you suck', and then you move the robber to him in retaliation
[13:12:31] ‹ddevans96› if you don't play Catan, that means nothing
[13:12:43] ‹ddevans96› my point is it's applicable to a lot of competitive games
[13:13:06] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› which two?
[13:13:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› And yeah, that happens a lot
[13:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[13:14:45] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› I'm out for the night, but someone should keep posting chatlogs.
[13:14:51] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Bye y'all~
[13:15:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Cya sub
[13:15:26] ‹Calindu› Unless another player is just insanely far ahead, I always retaliate with the robber in Catan lol
[13:15:44] ‹Linkcat› Me and shock.
[13:16:30] ‹ddevans96› so you're saying that you think shock and Espi are both town?
[13:16:33] ‹ddevans96› hm
[13:16:33] ‹Linkcat› I mean, you probably shouldn't be townreading me, but I like anyone who does.
[13:16:51] ‹Linkcat› No, Espi is neutral with you.
[13:16:59] ‹Linkcat› Shock is town though
[13:17:31] ‹ddevans96› I also think shock is town
[13:18:11] ‹Mobian› I'm undecided
[13:20:59] ‹Linkcat› Hi undecided, I'm dad.
[13:21:30] ‹iancudorinmarian› These jokes will never get old
[13:21:31] ‹Mobian› I never thought you'd show up
[13:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's not a mystery.
[13:32:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. I found Wally.
[13:34:55] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[13:35:00] ‹ddevans96› quality interactions
[13:40:40] ‹Linkcat› Thanks
[13:41:36] ‹ddevans96› god I want to send an even snarkier response
[13:41:38] ‹shockcannon› Honestly
[13:41:45] ‹shockcannon› Root is really bad at mafia
[13:41:58] ‹ddevans96› if you say so
[13:42:02] ‹shockcannon› Imo might be the worst person at reads
[13:42:28] ‹shockcannon› He legit only lynches town
[13:42:31] ‹ddevans96› btw: did you know the ability 'Queen' has a lower priority than the ability 'Psionic Wave'?
[13:42:41] ‹shockcannon› Clearly not
[13:42:51] ‹shockcannon› Which should be even more of a sign that I’m town
[13:49:09] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› post in mafia when you can. I want to hear your thoughts
[13:50:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ok
[13:50:52] ‹ddevans96› ty
[14:14:30] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Honestly dd is super sketch
[14:14:40] ‹ddevans96› who speaks
[14:14:47] ‹ddevans96› I don't take note of guest tags very often
[14:16:34] ‹Linkcat› shock
[14:17:41] ‹ddevans96› why am I sketch? would be interested to hear reasoning
[14:24:31] ‹shockcannon› too hard to explain
[14:24:38] ‹shockcannon› root is bad at this game
[14:24:43] ‹shockcannon› people should really ignore him
[14:24:54] ‹shockcannon› or at least just not follow his votes
[14:26:07] ‹shockcannon› maf killing playeroa was a pretty bad move though imo
[14:26:26] ‹ddevans96› it was the least relevant player they could have killed
[14:26:30] ‹ddevans96› it gave town zero information
[14:26:36] ‹ddevans96› fine kill imo
[14:27:11] ‹shockcannon› I was having a hard time figuring out the 4th mafia
[14:27:17] ‹shockcannon› playeroa was one of the potential ones on my list
[14:27:29] ‹shockcannon› so mafia just narrowed it down for me instead of killing a super obvious townie
[14:27:52] ‹ddevans96› if you say so
[14:27:57] ‹PlayerOa› Me mafia
[14:28:01] ‹PlayerOa› lol
[14:30:52] ‹shockcannon› i think there's a decent i get lynched day 2
[14:31:13] ‹shockcannon› but just know that ian is feeding everyone lies
[14:33:19] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› do you think ian is mafia?
[14:34:06] ‹Espithel› I think that you have to persuade us that he is using facts, evidence, and logic.
[14:34:26] ‹Espithel› He has to be DESTROYED by FACTS and LOGIC
[14:35:07] ‹ddevans96› I have no reason to believe iancu is mafia right now, other than your belief that he is
[14:35:10] ‹ddevans96› but I do think you're town
[14:35:22] ‹shockcannon› lol
[14:35:29] ‹shockcannon› i'm so tempted to reveal 3 of the mafia right now
[14:35:35] ‹shockcannon› because it's painfully obvious
[14:35:37] ‹ddevans96› do it
[14:35:42] ‹shockcannon› but I'll hold to my word and info dump on day 3
[14:36:01] ‹ddevans96› k
[14:36:24] ‹MyNameIsJoey› if you have a read, and you are not saying it, you are helping mafia.
[14:36:41] ‹Espithel› Ah, you see
[14:36:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› because right or wrong, your read helps town reason further
[14:36:52] ‹Espithel› Shock needs to find the fourth one before he becomes really helpful
[14:36:54] ‹Espithel› :^)
[14:37:17] ‹shockcannon› when i list the mafia
[14:37:21] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I have no idea what the situation is, i am not following this mafia.
[14:37:22] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Espithel› More chances to hit one!
[14:37:29] ‹shockcannon› town won't believe me until one of those mafia die or enough other people die
[14:37:40] ‹shockcannon› and I don't trust them to figure out the 4th mafia on their own
[14:38:13] ‹ddevans96› that's an incorrect assumption
[14:38:16] ‹MyNameIsJoey› a mafia game can't be won alone.
[14:38:31] ‹ddevans96› it's not really about 'believing' you
[14:44:22] ‹shockcannon› alright espithel
[14:44:27] ‹shockcannon› i'm gambling my trust in you
[14:45:22] ‹ddevans96› you have me to thank for allowing you to live past day one
[14:45:25] ‹shockcannon› and I think my post will ensure you stay alive this phase
[14:45:33] ‹ddevans96› bc all I had to do was say 'kill shock' and it would have happened
[14:45:43] ‹ddevans96› so if your gambit actually works, I want half credit
[14:46:05] ‹shockcannon› lol
[14:46:25] ‹shockcannon› this mafia has been extremely amusing for me
[14:46:34] ‹Linkcat› I would have tried to stop it but probably failed without a better target.
[14:46:36] ‹shockcannon› sure, you can have half credit
[14:46:40] ‹Espithel› I think that's a pass when it comes to trust.
[14:47:05] ‹shockcannon› lynch me day 3
[14:47:15] ‹shockcannon› I just asked MW to trust that you're town
[14:47:34] ‹shockcannon› and I asked the person who just voted on me to wait one day before lynching me
[14:48:00] ‹shockcannon› trusting in the craziest people is sometimes the least crazy thing to do
[14:49:19] ‹Espithel› I think you're town.
[14:51:02] ‹Espithel› Me lynching you won't change how much I trust or don't trust you. You're a wild one.
[14:51:20] ‹majofa› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:51:24] ‹shockcannon› it will for root and mw though
[14:51:45] ‹Espithel› Probably.
[15:24:02] ‹RootRanger› So
[15:24:08] ‹RootRanger› Oh nvm ddevans is gone
[15:25:01] ‹RootRanger› I just want to comment that shock has more or less the same info as everyone else, at best he knows 1 mafia by being GN
[15:25:14] ‹RootRanger› Placing trust in him to correctly name 2 or 3, or god forbid all 4, is unrealistic
[15:25:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I know all mafia
[15:25:43] ‹RootRanger› He said I'm a town who's really bad at playing town, so I guess he was at least half correct there lol
[15:25:45] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› And I ain’t even playing
[15:25:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Too bad I can’t say them
[15:26:08] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[15:26:19] ‹RootRanger› I know 1 civ and I'm 90% sure on another 1 lol
[15:26:35] ‹Linkcat› I mean, he got 2/3 last time, so I'll give his reads consideration.
[15:27:06] ‹RootRanger› He literally just named the people who had told him their roels
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› And it happened to be that mafia were playing recklessly that game
[15:27:33] ‹RootRanger› Now he doesn't even have PMs to go off of
[15:27:37] ‹RootRanger› It's random noise
[13:05:28] ‹Mobian› Checking in from work myself
[13:05:57] ‹Mobian› Omgus?
[13:06:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[13:06:04] ‹ddevans96› oh my god you suck
[13:06:10] ‹ddevans96› basically 'I'm voting for you bc you voted on me'
[13:06:27] ‹Mobian› Oh, spite
[13:06:32] ‹ddevans96› pretty much
[13:06:49] ‹MyNameIsJoey› On the website i used to play mafia on
[13:06:55] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› If that really is what omgus means, it's a stupid acronym.
[13:06:59] ‹MyNameIsJoey› there was this one guy who could somehow always tell whether or not I was mafia.
[13:07:05] ‹ddevans96› how is it stupid?
[13:07:47] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› 0%/99%/1%
[13:07:52] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› It doesn't convey the actual meaning of the vote, plus it's smack talk.
[13:08:09] ‹ddevans96› it was named after an actual exchange in the earlier days of mafiascum
[13:08:36] ‹ddevans96› also - it does, and it isn't
[13:08:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean...I guess it doesn't directly
[13:09:05] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› From that acronym, I would have guessed that it's a pity vote for players who can't play properly.
[13:09:14] ‹ddevans96› but, like...it's definitely relatable
[13:09:21] ‹Espithel› OMG YOU SUCK, EVERYONE LYNCH
[13:09:22] ‹Espithel› er
[13:09:25] ‹Espithel› I need er
[13:09:27] ‹Espithel› DEMAGOG
[13:09:31] ‹ddevans96› it's not 'suck' as in 'you're bad at the game'
[13:09:40] ‹Espithel› It's suck as in "i hate you >:("
[13:09:44] ‹ddevans96› it's 'you suck' as in 'fuck you'
[13:10:04] ‹Espithel› 'please do :heart:'
[13:10:10] ‹ddevans96› or more accurately, what Espi said
[13:10:26] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› That makes more sense, though it's not the first thing that would come to my mind in any of the parallel universes.
[13:10:50] • Espithel coughs.
[13:11:01] ‹Espithel› It's just, I get feud's not a 100% tryhard meta player
[13:11:34] ‹Espithel› But you don't get to not exist, say "I think Espi's scum, I think these two people are tone", nothing else, and then go back to not existing
[13:11:35] ‹Linkcat› It's his first game lol.
[13:11:44] ‹Espithel› these two people are town*
[13:11:53] ‹Linkcat› He gave reads, that's good.
[13:12:10] ‹Espithel› You should explain your reads, though.
[13:12:14] ‹Linkcat› I happen to like two of those reads.
[13:12:22] ‹ddevans96› I guess an equivalent would be if you play Catan, someone moves the robber to you, you said 'oh my god you suck', and then you move the robber to him in retaliation
[13:12:31] ‹ddevans96› if you don't play Catan, that means nothing
[13:12:43] ‹ddevans96› my point is it's applicable to a lot of competitive games
[13:13:06] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Linkcat› which two?
[13:13:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› And yeah, that happens a lot
[13:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[13:14:45] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› I'm out for the night, but someone should keep posting chatlogs.
[13:14:51] ‹Guest-Condor-1ea56› Bye y'all~
[13:15:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Cya sub
[13:15:26] ‹Calindu› Unless another player is just insanely far ahead, I always retaliate with the robber in Catan lol
[13:15:44] ‹Linkcat› Me and shock.
[13:16:30] ‹ddevans96› so you're saying that you think shock and Espi are both town?
[13:16:33] ‹ddevans96› hm
[13:16:33] ‹Linkcat› I mean, you probably shouldn't be townreading me, but I like anyone who does.
[13:16:51] ‹Linkcat› No, Espi is neutral with you.
[13:16:59] ‹Linkcat› Shock is town though
[13:17:31] ‹ddevans96› I also think shock is town
[13:18:11] ‹Mobian› I'm undecided
[13:20:59] ‹Linkcat› Hi undecided, I'm dad.
[13:21:30] ‹iancudorinmarian› These jokes will never get old
[13:21:31] ‹Mobian› I never thought you'd show up
[13:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's not a mystery.
[13:32:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. I found Wally.
[13:34:55] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[13:35:00] ‹ddevans96› quality interactions
[13:40:40] ‹Linkcat› Thanks
[13:41:36] ‹ddevans96› god I want to send an even snarkier response
[13:41:38] ‹shockcannon› Honestly
[13:41:45] ‹shockcannon› Root is really bad at mafia
[13:41:58] ‹ddevans96› if you say so
[13:42:02] ‹shockcannon› Imo might be the worst person at reads
[13:42:28] ‹shockcannon› He legit only lynches town
[13:42:31] ‹ddevans96› btw: did you know the ability 'Queen' has a lower priority than the ability 'Psionic Wave'?
[13:42:41] ‹shockcannon› Clearly not
[13:42:51] ‹shockcannon› Which should be even more of a sign that I’m town
[13:49:09] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› post in mafia when you can. I want to hear your thoughts
[13:50:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ok
[13:50:52] ‹ddevans96› ty
[14:14:30] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Honestly dd is super sketch
[14:14:40] ‹ddevans96› who speaks
[14:14:47] ‹ddevans96› I don't take note of guest tags very often
[14:16:34] ‹Linkcat› shock
[14:17:41] ‹ddevans96› why am I sketch? would be interested to hear reasoning
[14:24:31] ‹shockcannon› too hard to explain
[14:24:38] ‹shockcannon› root is bad at this game
[14:24:43] ‹shockcannon› people should really ignore him
[14:24:54] ‹shockcannon› or at least just not follow his votes
[14:26:07] ‹shockcannon› maf killing playeroa was a pretty bad move though imo
[14:26:26] ‹ddevans96› it was the least relevant player they could have killed
[14:26:30] ‹ddevans96› it gave town zero information
[14:26:36] ‹ddevans96› fine kill imo
[14:27:11] ‹shockcannon› I was having a hard time figuring out the 4th mafia
[14:27:17] ‹shockcannon› playeroa was one of the potential ones on my list
[14:27:29] ‹shockcannon› so mafia just narrowed it down for me instead of killing a super obvious townie
[14:27:52] ‹ddevans96› if you say so
[14:27:57] ‹PlayerOa› Me mafia
[14:28:01] ‹PlayerOa› lol
[14:30:52] ‹shockcannon› i think there's a decent i get lynched day 2
[14:31:13] ‹shockcannon› but just know that ian is feeding everyone lies
[14:33:19] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› do you think ian is mafia?
[14:34:06] ‹Espithel› I think that you have to persuade us that he is using facts, evidence, and logic.
[14:34:26] ‹Espithel› He has to be DESTROYED by FACTS and LOGIC
[14:35:07] ‹ddevans96› I have no reason to believe iancu is mafia right now, other than your belief that he is
[14:35:10] ‹ddevans96› but I do think you're town
[14:35:22] ‹shockcannon› lol
[14:35:29] ‹shockcannon› i'm so tempted to reveal 3 of the mafia right now
[14:35:35] ‹shockcannon› because it's painfully obvious
[14:35:37] ‹ddevans96› do it
[14:35:42] ‹shockcannon› but I'll hold to my word and info dump on day 3
[14:36:01] ‹ddevans96› k
[14:36:24] ‹MyNameIsJoey› if you have a read, and you are not saying it, you are helping mafia.
[14:36:41] ‹Espithel› Ah, you see
[14:36:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› because right or wrong, your read helps town reason further
[14:36:52] ‹Espithel› Shock needs to find the fourth one before he becomes really helpful
[14:36:54] ‹Espithel› :^)
[14:37:17] ‹shockcannon› when i list the mafia
[14:37:21] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I have no idea what the situation is, i am not following this mafia.
[14:37:22] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Espithel› More chances to hit one!
[14:37:29] ‹shockcannon› town won't believe me until one of those mafia die or enough other people die
[14:37:40] ‹shockcannon› and I don't trust them to figure out the 4th mafia on their own
[14:38:13] ‹ddevans96› that's an incorrect assumption
[14:38:16] ‹MyNameIsJoey› a mafia game can't be won alone.
[14:38:31] ‹ddevans96› it's not really about 'believing' you
[14:44:22] ‹shockcannon› alright espithel
[14:44:27] ‹shockcannon› i'm gambling my trust in you
[14:45:22] ‹ddevans96› you have me to thank for allowing you to live past day one
[14:45:25] ‹shockcannon› and I think my post will ensure you stay alive this phase
[14:45:33] ‹ddevans96› bc all I had to do was say 'kill shock' and it would have happened
[14:45:43] ‹ddevans96› so if your gambit actually works, I want half credit
[14:46:05] ‹shockcannon› lol
[14:46:25] ‹shockcannon› this mafia has been extremely amusing for me
[14:46:34] ‹Linkcat› I would have tried to stop it but probably failed without a better target.
[14:46:36] ‹shockcannon› sure, you can have half credit
[14:46:40] ‹Espithel› I think that's a pass when it comes to trust.
[14:47:05] ‹shockcannon› lynch me day 3
[14:47:15] ‹shockcannon› I just asked MW to trust that you're town
[14:47:34] ‹shockcannon› and I asked the person who just voted on me to wait one day before lynching me
[14:48:00] ‹shockcannon› trusting in the craziest people is sometimes the least crazy thing to do
[14:49:19] ‹Espithel› I think you're town.
[14:51:02] ‹Espithel› Me lynching you won't change how much I trust or don't trust you. You're a wild one.
[14:51:20] ‹majofa› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:51:24] ‹shockcannon› it will for root and mw though
[14:51:45] ‹Espithel› Probably.
[15:24:02] ‹RootRanger› So
[15:24:08] ‹RootRanger› Oh nvm ddevans is gone
[15:25:01] ‹RootRanger› I just want to comment that shock has more or less the same info as everyone else, at best he knows 1 mafia by being GN
[15:25:14] ‹RootRanger› Placing trust in him to correctly name 2 or 3, or god forbid all 4, is unrealistic
[15:25:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I know all mafia
[15:25:43] ‹RootRanger› He said I'm a town who's really bad at playing town, so I guess he was at least half correct there lol
[15:25:45] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› And I ain’t even playing
[15:25:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Too bad I can’t say them
[15:26:08] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[15:26:19] ‹RootRanger› I know 1 civ and I'm 90% sure on another 1 lol
[15:26:35] ‹Linkcat› I mean, he got 2/3 last time, so I'll give his reads consideration.
[15:27:06] ‹RootRanger› He literally just named the people who had told him their roels
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› And it happened to be that mafia were playing recklessly that game
[15:27:33] ‹RootRanger› Now he doesn't even have PMs to go off of
[15:27:37] ‹RootRanger› It's random noise
Post by: shockcannon on May 27, 2019, 11:30:27 pm
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 27, 2019, 11:53:13 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2019, 12:24:19 am
[16:26:57] ‹shockcannon› killing jcj was actually such a missed opportunity
[16:27:20] ‹shockcannon› espithel or ddevans kill really would be more helpful
[16:27:37] ‹Linkcat› Damnit shock, I just posted the log.
[16:27:51] ‹shockcannon› who cares
[16:28:41] ‹shockcannon› eh i'm getting bored again
[16:28:44] ‹shockcannon› maybe i make my move today
[16:28:52] ‹shockcannon› we'll see if ddevans tries to out me after i turn on him
[16:31:50] ‹shockcannon› also
[16:31:57] ‹shockcannon› root and MW are comically bad with their reads
[16:32:50] ‹Calindu› Well, MW based his whole theory on him interpreting a question about the rules, since he's clearly not GN
[16:34:54] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Honestly he could be
[16:35:08] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Would be good cover from mafia
[16:36:23] ‹Calindu› He's not, he claimed he caught a firefly
[16:36:51] ‹Calindu› And not using GN ability would be dumb
[16:37:28] ‹Linkcat› It would have been on cooldown.
[16:37:51] ‹Calindu› Ooh, it's EoR
[16:37:58] ‹Calindu› I was almost certain it's ER
[16:38:06] ‹Calindu› Well, this changes things
[16:44:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I really hope I make it to the next day
[16:45:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› The things I’m going to reveal should really pin down a couple mafia and several definite town
[16:45:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root thinks I know nothing more than anyone else
[16:46:39] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If he underestimates me this much during trials it’ll be a 5-0 easy
[16:48:34] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› is you blocked ian n0 I think you should reveal that
[16:48:42] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If
[16:27:20] ‹shockcannon› espithel or ddevans kill really would be more helpful
[16:27:37] ‹Linkcat› Damnit shock, I just posted the log.
[16:27:51] ‹shockcannon› who cares
[16:28:41] ‹shockcannon› eh i'm getting bored again
[16:28:44] ‹shockcannon› maybe i make my move today
[16:28:52] ‹shockcannon› we'll see if ddevans tries to out me after i turn on him
[16:31:50] ‹shockcannon› also
[16:31:57] ‹shockcannon› root and MW are comically bad with their reads
[16:32:50] ‹Calindu› Well, MW based his whole theory on him interpreting a question about the rules, since he's clearly not GN
[16:34:54] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Honestly he could be
[16:35:08] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Would be good cover from mafia
[16:36:23] ‹Calindu› He's not, he claimed he caught a firefly
[16:36:51] ‹Calindu› And not using GN ability would be dumb
[16:37:28] ‹Linkcat› It would have been on cooldown.
[16:37:51] ‹Calindu› Ooh, it's EoR
[16:37:58] ‹Calindu› I was almost certain it's ER
[16:38:06] ‹Calindu› Well, this changes things
[16:44:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I really hope I make it to the next day
[16:45:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› The things I’m going to reveal should really pin down a couple mafia and several definite town
[16:45:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root thinks I know nothing more than anyone else
[16:46:39] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If he underestimates me this much during trials it’ll be a 5-0 easy
[16:48:34] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› is you blocked ian n0 I think you should reveal that
[16:48:42] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If
Post by: immortal feud on May 28, 2019, 12:24:37 am
Welp.just a feeling
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 12:38:04 am
Can confirm that there is at least one Otyugh in the game. dd was targeted by them.
Gonna refrain on voting for now, but figured that it could be vaguely useful to give this info.
Definitely should have mentioned this earlier, but I didn't target anyone on N0.
This is strange. Not really the content but what you did here. You've been super silent all game and the first bit of info aside from
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 12:45:04 am
Welp.just a feeling
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Can you put your feelings into words so we can feel your feelings?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 12:50:48 am
IW/kae/Cal have had some interesting interaction history this game, as Espi and I have previously noted - I strongly suspect one is mafia, and probably not two.
Also - I suggest considering whether or not me being lynched is something the mafia would desire or not.
Add my vote to kaempfer for the time being, please.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2019, 12:55:10 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2019, 01:01:40 am
[02:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. DANGER ZONE!
[02:55:57] ‹kaempfer13› weird I didnt get a post inbetween writing warning
[02:56:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from kaempfer13 in Forum Games. It needs a gold star.
[02:56:32] ‹kaempfer13› what parallels do you see between me and IW?
[02:57:44] ‹kaempfer13› and as for cal it seems to mostly both of us happening to think that mws claim of espimafia is baseless
[02:57:57] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 7 + 8 + 8 + 4 = 35 ...!
[02:58:13] ‹kaempfer13› in that case espi lynch would be more logical than either of us
[02:58:15] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Masterwalks
[02:58:25] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Ddevans is using you
[02:58:30] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Don’t let him use you
[02:59:51] ‹kaempfer13› since dd isnt actually here, I guess im basically chatlogging myself I guess
[02:55:57] ‹kaempfer13› weird I didnt get a post inbetween writing warning
[02:56:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from kaempfer13 in Forum Games. It needs a gold star.
[02:56:32] ‹kaempfer13› what parallels do you see between me and IW?
[02:57:44] ‹kaempfer13› and as for cal it seems to mostly both of us happening to think that mws claim of espimafia is baseless
[02:57:57] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 7 + 8 + 8 + 4 = 35 ...!
[02:58:13] ‹kaempfer13› in that case espi lynch would be more logical than either of us
[02:58:15] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Masterwalks
[02:58:25] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Ddevans is using you
[02:58:30] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Don’t let him use you
[02:59:51] ‹kaempfer13› since dd isnt actually here, I guess im basically chatlogging myself I guess
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 01:16:56 am
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
I think we are still missing moehrpis justification for JcJ-lynch; he made a vague claim about jcj being too quiet, later mused taking it back but didn't.
This is true. Here's a question:
Did moehrpi start it?
Or, did Root, sensing an opportunity, continue it?
Post by: immortal feud on May 28, 2019, 01:17:34 am
am bad with wordsWelp.just a feeling
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Can you put your feelings into words so we can feel your feelings?
does you starting the lynch votes with me prove anything?
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 01:20:06 am
For reals MW, espithel is town okay?
The fact that we didn't kill Espithel or ddevans the other day and instead wasted our lynch on JCJ was a real setback.
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Am i right to be confused here? are you trying to lynch off town or did new info gained within just a couple hours change your mind?
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 01:21:34 am
am bad with wordsWelp.just a feeling
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Can you put your feelings into words so we can feel your feelings?
does you starting the lynch votes with me prove anything?
I did it because I want you to speak.
If you're being willfully quiet, threatening a lynch is generally a good way of opening loose tongues.
Do you want help speaking?
Post by: immortal feud on May 28, 2019, 01:23:05 am
also why does shock think you are town
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 01:25:52 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2019, 01:26:41 am
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 01:33:32 am
If it was multiple posts, quote all of those.
Please do the same for Link and Shock being town.
As for why Shock thinks I'm town? I have no idea. Shock doesn't play by the rules of normal mafia. Root would argue that's grounds to lynch him - for being a "useful idiot" to the mafia. Trying to ask for explanations from him is intentionally difficult.
@Evans:
[02:27:06] ‹shockcannon› espithel is town
[02:27:10] ‹shockcannon› UNLESS you are GN
[02:27:20] ‹shockcannon› and know he's mafia
[02:27:29] ‹shockcannon› which is why killing espithel day 1 would've given us that info
[02:27:32] ‹shockcannon› but it doesn't really matter now
[02:27:37] ‹shockcannon› JCJ already dead
[02:27:43] ‹shockcannon› and ddevans is playing you MW
[02:27:50] ‹shockcannon› he used you to get JCJ killed
[02:28:01] ‹shockcannon› and now he's conveninelty hopping onto your suspicion of kaempfer
[02:28:10] ‹shockcannon› kaempf is town
[02:28:15] ‹shockcannon› dont let ddevans use you
[02:29:02] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› ddevans and consistently followed you up on whoever you voted for
[02:29:12] ‹shockcannon› and then when the switch to JCJ happened he got you to switch over also
[02:29:15] ‹shockcannon› coincidence?
[02:29:24] ‹shockcannon› *ddevans has
This is more solid than what Shock normally says. How do you respond to it, Evans?
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2019, 01:47:12 am
In other words, would one of these roles be able to discover a graboid for example or do they never receive feedback on their actions?
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 28, 2019, 01:53:20 am
Can confirm that there is at least one Otyugh in the game. dd was targeted by them.
Gonna refrain on voting for now, but figured that it could be vaguely useful to give this info.Definitely should have mentioned this earlier, but I didn't target anyone on N0.
This is strange. Not really the content but what you did here. You've been super silent all game and the first bit of info aside fromvoreyou say is your role and target, and even your N0 action. Warden is really good late game and you role claim when there are only 2/19 dead. Can you explain your thought process doing this? Did you not think people would assume you were ward based on that info? Or do you think Ward is a bad role?
Couldn't really think of what else to add to the convo at the moment, besides giving opinions on scum reads and posting my own. Since scum reads can only get people so far without concrete evidence, figured that I should provide something to help make the scum reads more accurate.
(Also, figured people would guess Dragonfly or another info role)
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 02:07:05 am
We should be ignoring shock until day 3. He provides nothing until he reveals what he thinks he knows.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 02:08:41 am
Post by: Submachine on May 28, 2019, 05:10:29 am
If a role that targets players but does not return information normally (such as arctic squid, mind flayer, or green nymph) hits an immune player, will they be notified?If an ability fails, the user gets notified even if it would normally not return information. On the contrary, if you are not notified with such role, then your ability didn't fail.
In other words, would one of these roles be able to discover a graboid for example or do they never receive feedback on their actions?
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 28, 2019, 06:23:11 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2019, 06:31:02 am
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2019, 06:36:30 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 06:45:31 am
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
----
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
----
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
Going with my gut feeling, since I'm not completely alone this time.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 28, 2019, 06:52:11 am
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
Claiming Warden, after having established that Warden is a potentially scummy ability
Post by: Mobian on May 28, 2019, 06:59:16 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 07:00:28 am
[2019-05-27 23:53:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› whats your scum reads?
[2019-05-27 23:55:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If I had any clear reads I wouldn't have abstained from voting yesterday
[2019-05-27 23:58:40] ‹ddevans96› and nothing's happened to change your reads?
[2019-05-27 23:59:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Nothing has changed that has given me any clear directive on anything
[2019-05-28 00:00:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm bad at mafia :)
[2019-05-28 00:00:50] ‹ddevans96› fair and valid
[2019-05-28 00:01:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Being certain about anything other than yourself is a terrible thing though
[2019-05-28 00:01:09] ‹ddevans96› any hunches/gut instincts?
[2019-05-28 00:01:14] ‹ddevans96› anything in the thread catch your eye?
[2019-05-28 00:02:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mainly just stuff about roles
[2019-05-28 00:02:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That being said, we all talk about how Warden is a very scummy role due to the patterns, then IW claims Warden right after
[2019-05-28 00:03:14] ‹ddevans96› something about IW this game really just has not sat right with me
[2019-05-28 00:03:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also note that there was 1 Firefly N0 and 2 Fireflies N1
[2019-05-28 00:03:30] ‹ddevans96› idk what. it's mostly hunch, and some very circumstantial things that could very well mean nothing
[2019-05-28 00:04:02] ‹ddevans96› assuming everyone is being honest, yeah
[2019-05-28 00:04:11] ‹ddevans96› (I would lean towards that being the case)
[2019-05-28 00:04:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I've gone over a lot of scenarios in my head
[2019-05-28 00:04:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some stuff could be a lie, but I don't see much of the inconsequential things
[2019-05-28 00:05:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm thinking of a couple roles that could be mafia though, but I don't want to reveal that yet
[2019-05-28 00:07:00] ‹ddevans96› fair
[2019-05-28 00:09:32] ‹ddevans96› what're your thoughts about the four people who have votes on them? (feud 1, shock 1, me 2, kaempfer 2)
[2019-05-28 00:11:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Don't kill Shock
[2019-05-28 00:11:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› First and foremost
[2019-05-28 00:14:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If Root doesn't shift vote then it's shady on Root because we've discussed killing Shock on the next day phase anyway
[2019-05-28 00:14:37] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Feud's vote is to get him talking, I don't think there's too much to read into it
[2019-05-27 23:55:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If I had any clear reads I wouldn't have abstained from voting yesterday
[2019-05-27 23:58:40] ‹ddevans96› and nothing's happened to change your reads?
[2019-05-27 23:59:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Nothing has changed that has given me any clear directive on anything
[2019-05-28 00:00:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm bad at mafia :)
[2019-05-28 00:00:50] ‹ddevans96› fair and valid
[2019-05-28 00:01:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Being certain about anything other than yourself is a terrible thing though
[2019-05-28 00:01:09] ‹ddevans96› any hunches/gut instincts?
[2019-05-28 00:01:14] ‹ddevans96› anything in the thread catch your eye?
[2019-05-28 00:02:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mainly just stuff about roles
[2019-05-28 00:02:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That being said, we all talk about how Warden is a very scummy role due to the patterns, then IW claims Warden right after
[2019-05-28 00:03:14] ‹ddevans96› something about IW this game really just has not sat right with me
[2019-05-28 00:03:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also note that there was 1 Firefly N0 and 2 Fireflies N1
[2019-05-28 00:03:30] ‹ddevans96› idk what. it's mostly hunch, and some very circumstantial things that could very well mean nothing
[2019-05-28 00:04:02] ‹ddevans96› assuming everyone is being honest, yeah
[2019-05-28 00:04:11] ‹ddevans96› (I would lean towards that being the case)
[2019-05-28 00:04:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I've gone over a lot of scenarios in my head
[2019-05-28 00:04:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some stuff could be a lie, but I don't see much of the inconsequential things
[2019-05-28 00:05:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm thinking of a couple roles that could be mafia though, but I don't want to reveal that yet
[2019-05-28 00:07:00] ‹ddevans96› fair
[2019-05-28 00:09:32] ‹ddevans96› what're your thoughts about the four people who have votes on them? (feud 1, shock 1, me 2, kaempfer 2)
[2019-05-28 00:11:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Don't kill Shock
[2019-05-28 00:11:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› First and foremost
[2019-05-28 00:14:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If Root doesn't shift vote then it's shady on Root because we've discussed killing Shock on the next day phase anyway
[2019-05-28 00:14:37] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Feud's vote is to get him talking, I don't think there's too much to read into it
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 07:06:17 am
Claiming Warden, after having established that Warden is a potentially scummy ability
So are wards just not supposed to use their abilities then? I dont think this necessarily means insig is scummy, more like sus of dd which a lot of people are.
I still find the whole thing very very strange but i would rather wait it out and see what else he does. Its not like lynching him is going to give us much information.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 28, 2019, 07:13:54 am
So are wards just not supposed to use their abilities then?
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
They are not, no
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 07:15:40 am
Devil's advocate here, but also bear in mind Insig's ward on dd did save his life. Sure, it prevented whatever action he attempted, but he gets to stay alive to help us sort out this mess. The question now is why did a FE/Oty try to kill dd? Townie making that play is odd. Likely came from mafia source. Let's also recall that ian's ability failed. It's possible that he's the FE/Oty, and if so, highly likely to be mafia.
I can't disagree with this being a legitimate possibility. That being said, it's also legitimately possible that IW is mafia Warden, and a town Oty convinced that I'm a likelymafia and comfortable taking heat if they were wrong decided to pull the trigger. I don't think it would be an unusual play, just an aggressive one. Maybe a decent play in the early game, since I'm going to be a goldmine for information when I die. Maybe.
Regardless - the Warden softclaim isn't the whole picture, it's just some little things that just give me this uneasy feeling. It's the only thing I have that I would actually call a scumread right now.
Aside: what if shock is town Oty? Almost completely lines up - most of us see him as town, he did have a shift in how he seems to be viewing me seemingly over the night phase, he's a wildcard who can handle criticism. There's too many missing pieces to be comfortable thinking that, however - more of an amusing scenario.
...more like sus of dd which a lot of people are.
Feels like it's just you, shock, and Cal at present. Granted, three's a crowd, so still valid. Maybe also Espi and Mobian? Hard to be sure.
Also, for what it's worth - I'm all for using some abilities now, as Root suggests at the end of that post:
If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
Just put actual thought into what your plan is.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 07:17:34 am
2.) We also need to hold off on using roleblocking/kill roles. This refers to Warden, Toadfish, Otyugh, Mind Flayer, Arctic Squid, Ghost of the Past. If we use these roles on random targets, it's likely that an important role (Golden Nymph, or even GA/Psion/Dragonfly) will be blocked, or a civilian with an important role will be killed. We had civilians roleblocking civilians last game and it was a nightmare. Yes, it's possible that a mafia with psion or roleblocking could be blocked, but even more likely we block one of own civs. If you have good reason to be suspicious of someone, then yeah you can roleblock them (although I almost always disagree with renegade kill roles being used unless it's a last ditch effort to win), but otherwise I wouldn't use them.
almost everyone has been suspicious of dd all game. He was literally a vote away from being our first lynch. I bet my bottom dollar all that sketched insig out and he role blocked him.
HOWEVER, i still dont understand why he would just outs himself like that after he did role block.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 07:35:56 am
Cal: Has voted on me both rounds
shock: Voted on me late last round, early this round, seems convinced I'm mafia now whereas he didn't midway through last day
MW: Had vote on me briefly last round, has continued voicing suspicion of me
Link: Started train with strong push, retracted to neutral later
Mobian: Voted on me late last round, some conversation, otherwise very little interaction with me
Espi: Put vote on me midway through train, later voted on jcj to help save me
IW: Voted immediately after Link, has pretty much done nothing related to me since
And that basically sums up all real suspicion on me. That's less than half the players - even if I'm misremembering and can't recall two, that's still exactly half excluding myself.
Also, I don't see 'all game' to be accurate either - I don't recall any suspicion voiced towards me before Link's vote for me.
I'm not even using this as a defense, if anything people should be more suspicious of me than they are, just feels like this detail is not being accurately portrayed.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 28, 2019, 07:39:49 am
Post by: immortal feud on May 28, 2019, 08:29:10 am
game rule 5
IW
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 08:36:13 am
game rule 5
IW
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Post by: Linkcat on May 28, 2019, 10:06:31 am
MW has not properly represented my read on kaempfer. Him being awkward in the first place is not that much of a problem and only drew slight suspicion from me. What made me want to lynch him was the sudden and complete change from his posts coming across as odd, to his posts coming across as completely normal. I think the most likely cause is that he adjusted his play based on input from his mafia team. Now, the feeling of his posts is completely subjective, so it's not a particularly strong case, but it's the one I'm most interested in pursuing right now.
Since dd didn't use an ability N0, it doesn't make sense for a mafia to Ward him since he probably doesn't have a strong role. It makes sense for town Insig to Ward dd since he was scumreading him, even though it was a bad play. Outing as mafia Warden makes even less sense as we can see by all the votes on him, while outing as town Warden is believable with the reasoning given, even though that was also a bad play as we can see by all the votes on him. There's guaranteed at least one mafia on that train. Move to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, Linkcat
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 28, 2019, 10:32:21 am
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Move to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.Hold on I can play this game too
Move to [insert personal scumread here] with me if you're town, Link
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 28, 2019, 10:35:23 am
[20:28:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› dd in response to that post: "Nah dude I'm mafia lol lemme stick on IW"
[20:29:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Like
[20:29:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What is he supposed to do
[20:29:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he genuinely wants IW lynched
[20:29:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Like
[20:29:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What is he supposed to do
[20:29:35] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he genuinely wants IW lynched
Post by: moehrpi on May 28, 2019, 10:51:44 am
I am not particularly happy with lynching Insig. I find it possible that there are two Warden, especially divided between the two factions. The only (?) other duplicate role we have good reason to believe exists is FFQ.
The only way I see an Otyugh using their ability on dd this early is if a Fate Egg got GN and investigated him N0 and then got Otyugh and targetted him N1, but dd said he caught a firefly N0 and no one called him out on this, so this is not possible.
You just said 'GN' and 'call him out' in one sentence. I get that it's unlikely but those two don't mix well.
[13:15:26] ‹Calindu› Unless another player is just insanely far ahead, I always retaliate with the robber in Catan lol
You are bad and you should feel bad. While I see the entertainment that can provide there are people who overdo this kind of thing. In Risk there are players who just go about killing off the first person that attacks them regardless of anything else. So, no one attacks them, they easily win a very unfun game. So, everyone needs to eliminate that players first before they can have a game. Everything just goes overboard when you have unwavering principles. Back to business:
[14:30:52] ‹shockcannon› i think there's a decent i get lynched day 2
I don't think too many people want that. I definitely don't.
I think we are still missing moehrpis justification for JcJ-lynch; he made a vague claim about jcj being too quiet, later mused taking it back but didn't.This is true. Here's a question:Did moehrpi start it?Or, did Root, sensing an opportunity, continue it?
I didn't really want to address the first part of the question / Espi's question, but here's a minimalist answer: Obviously, I started it but without much thought. Maybe it went something like this: 'Who to put a (meaningless) vote on? JCJ was more active last game, aight.' without even considering other candidates after finding one or looking for an explanation which even was there. Not much to deliberate about from my point of view but I see why it's intriguing. But I certainly don't want to take the credit for that lynch.
Concerning the second, red, part: this is very true and I explain it with the voting dynamic at the end of the day. If it is not detailed enough, I could go back and look through the thread and chat to reconstruct the course of events but will refrain from doing so just now.
I was around when dd started to pile up votes for JCJ, iancu quickly followed. Most people including myself accepted the fact that we would most likely lynch town and therefore didn't really want to kill an active town, dd, while not happy about killing JCJ either but it's what quickly brewed up (with under a half hour left, so necessarily so) after votes #3 and #4 (four votes each). At this point it should be somewhat clear that removing my vote would ruin the latest development. Espi broke the tie before the deadline, after he said he would in chat so we would guarantee a lynch. I was happy not to have to force the decision, knowing that I would in case of a tie. shock added his vote for five votes each, repeat. MW steps in, I joke about removing my vote, Jonny dies.
I had the chance to change the outcome until the very end by going against the people around you who make a collective effort which is intimidating. In retrospect it might have been a mistake as I would have been sure that it's not mafia who lead the lynch. Call me gullible. But as stated earlier the whole thing was had to be a mob to let dd live. A bit more on this later.
The connections are between Cal and kae, and Cal and IW. Espi can discuss the former and I've talked about the latter in thread - I'm away from home on phone currently.
The strongest connection is between you and insig. Albeit one-sided.
(Also, figured people would guess Dragonfly or another info role)
If I am not mistaken FFQ and Warden were the only possibilities but you confirmed Warden yourself a bit later.
Devil's advocate here, but also bear in mind Insig's ward on dd did save his life. Sure, it prevented whatever action he attempted, but he gets to stay alive to help us sort out this mess. The question now is why did a FE/Oty try to kill dd? Townie making that play is odd. Likely came from mafia source. Let's also recall that ian's ability failed. It's possible that he's the FE/Oty, and if so, highly likely to be mafia.
Not sure what relevance I saw in this post maybe one of those:
shock joked about being Oty very early in this game. I don't think he is, though.
Town could make that play as FE, as someone else (Cal?) already said.
Devil's advocate here, but also bear in mind Insig's ward on dd did save his life. Sure, it prevented whatever action he attempted, but he gets to stay alive to help us sort out this mess. The question now is why did a FE/Oty try to kill dd? Townie making that play is odd. Likely came from mafia source. Let's also recall that ian's ability failed. It's possible that he's the FE/Oty, and if so, highly likely to be mafia.I can't disagree with this being a legitimate possibility. That being said, it's also legitimately possible that IW is mafia Warden, and a town Oty convinced that I'm a likelymafia and comfortable taking heat if they were wrong decided to pull the trigger. I don't think it would be an unusual play, just an aggressive one. Maybe a decent play in the early game, since I'm going to be a goldmine for information when I die. Maybe.Regardless - the Warden softclaim isn't the whole picture, it's just some little things that just give me this uneasy feeling. It's the only thing I have that I would actually call a scumread right now.Aside: what if shock is town Oty? Almost completely lines up - most of us see him as town, he did have a shift in how he seems to be viewing me seemingly over the night phase, he's a wildcard who can handle criticism. There's too many missing pieces to be comfortable thinking that, however - more of an amusing scenario.
Insig's is not a softclaim anymore at this point.
Again, shock did joke about eating someone very early.
I'd like to hear more from shock but understand that I need to exercise patience.....more like sus of dd which a lot of people are.Feels like it's just you, shock, and Cal at present. Granted, three's a crowd, so still valid. Maybe also Espi and Mobian? Hard to be sure.
I am also suspicious of most people who are actively engaging in the discussion including you. But in your case I tell myself I need to sit back a bit.
The reason I am suspicious is because you avoided being lynched and pushed (with great ease) the lynch on town GA. I was in accord with that but seeing the outcome it's just not comfortable. But if you were town it's the only viable play you had left unless you have a shitty role, then the small chance to kill mafia might not be worth it. The last part is the reason I try to come to my senses and see reason. If you were mafia it's a good play but needs to rouse suspicion.
However, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch dd. He's a good way to get rid of Oty. Which is great if either he himself or Oty is mafia. It's pretty bad if both are town as we could have made better use of Oty later in the game. And good or bad if it was FE depending on what dd flips, but also mostly irrelevant now. Even if it does tell us a bit about another person's read.
Post by: moehrpi on May 28, 2019, 10:53:51 am
coloured in my thoughts in the last quote.
Devil's advocate here, but also bear in mind Insig's ward on dd did save his life. Sure, it prevented whatever action he attempted, but he gets to stay alive to help us sort out this mess. The question now is why did a FE/Oty try to kill dd? Townie making that play is odd. Likely came from mafia source. Let's also recall that ian's ability failed. It's possible that he's the FE/Oty, and if so, highly likely to be mafia.I can't disagree with this being a legitimate possibility. That being said, it's also legitimately possible that IW is mafia Warden, and a town Oty convinced that I'm a likelymafia and comfortable taking heat if they were wrong decided to pull the trigger. I don't think it would be an unusual play, just an aggressive one. Maybe a decent play in the early game, since I'm going to be a goldmine for information when I die. Maybe.Regardless - the Warden softclaim isn't the whole picture, it's just some little things that just give me this uneasy feeling. It's the only thing I have that I would actually call a scumread right now.Aside: what if shock is town Oty? Almost completely lines up - most of us see him as town, he did have a shift in how he seems to be viewing me seemingly over the night phase, he's a wildcard who can handle criticism. There's too many missing pieces to be comfortable thinking that, however - more of an amusing scenario.
Insig's is not a softclaim anymore at this point.
Again, shock did joke about eating someone very early.
I'd like to hear more from shock but understand that I need to exercise patience.....more like sus of dd which a lot of people are.Feels like it's just you, shock, and Cal at present. Granted, three's a crowd, so still valid. Maybe also Espi and Mobian? Hard to be sure.
I am also suspicious of most people who are actively engaging in the discussion including you. But in your case I tell myself I need to sit back a bit.
The reason I am suspicious is because you avoided being lynched and pushed (with great ease) the lynch on town GA. I was in accord with that but seeing the outcome it's just not comfortable. But if you were town it's the only viable play you had left unless you have a shitty role, then the small chance to kill mafia might not be worth it. The last part is the reason I try to come to my senses and see reason. If you were mafia it's a good play but needs to rouse suspicion.
However, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch dd. He's a good way to get rid of Oty. Which is great if either he himself or Oty is mafia. It's pretty bad if both are town as we could have made better use of Oty later in the game. And good or bad if it was FE depending on what dd flips, but also mostly irrelevant now. Even if it does tell us a bit about another person's read.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2019, 11:03:08 am
I'm exhausted as fuck once again, but I'll try to address what I need to.
MW has not properly represented my read on kaempfer. Him being awkward in the first place is not that much of a problem and only drew slight suspicion from me. What made me want to lynch him was the sudden and complete change from his posts coming across as odd, to his posts coming across as completely normal. I think the most likely cause is that he adjusted his play based on input from his mafia team. Now, the feeling of his posts is completely subjective, so it's not a particularly strong case, but it's the one I'm most interested in pursuing right now.
Since dd didn't use an ability N0, it doesn't make sense for a mafia to Ward him since he probably doesn't have a strong role. It makes sense for town Insig to Ward dd since he was scumreading him, even though it was a bad play. Outing as mafia Warden makes even less sense as we can see by all the votes on him, while outing as town Warden is believable with the reasoning given, even though that was also a bad play as we can see by all the votes on him. There's guaranteed at least one mafia on that train. Move to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, Linkcat
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Alright now its pointless to hide it in case 4 people somehow missed that pms between mafia are allowed. I assume one of them knew anyway and sent a message day 1, early enough for me to realize my faulty strategy way sooner assuming I was mafia (even if I missed the memo about pms). This is my first game of mafia here so noone would have noticed it as unusual if I held back and waited for responses from mafia before posting anything major. As such I think the one thing that makes you suspicious of me is actually my best defense here. I can go into even more detail about this shallow point if you request it.
But my waking up call was not a member of mafia pming me "wth are you doing man", it was me spending a day asking "why does almost noone agree with me?".
Post by: Calindu on May 28, 2019, 01:23:24 pm
IW/kae/Cal have had some interesting interaction history this game, as Espi and I have previously noted
What interaction history? The only interaction I had with kae is both of us defending Espi day 1.
The only interaction I had with IW is me calling him out on possibly lying.
Everything in Cal's post makes sense, up to the point where he voted for me - basically everything there points to more of a scumread on IW than on me
That's the thing, I am not sure exactly about the interaction between you two, I found some possible scenarios, but they all are strange:
1. IW mafia, dd mafia: Like I said, forced interaction that looks scripted by the mafia team. Though they also appear to scumread and vote on each other, so I don't actually believe that's the case.
2. IW town, dd unknown: I don't know why IW would warden dd in this case, since dd said he caught a firefly, so I don't think there's anything to gain by blocking the ability. But if IW is town, then there's no reason to lie, so there was an Otyugh actually targeting dd, which is hard to believe as well.
3. IW mafia, dd town: Again, no reason to warden dd, even more of a strange play. But at the same time, IW could lie about the whole thing happening, for unknown reasons.
So as you can see, unless I am missing something, all the possible cases are making little sense. I believe IW is town, since him lying this randomly or the mafia team targeting each other this early makes even less sense.
Post by: Mobian on May 28, 2019, 04:11:23 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 05:17:14 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
There is no reason we should lynch Insig.
If he is town, then obv dont lynch.
If he is mafia, he's going to slip up eventually.
ddevan is getting more and more sus everyday. I think he has a hand in orchestrating votes to lynch town.
Also, i am not too sure kae is mafia anymore. If he is, it will probably be more obvious when he starts just actually talking instead of constantly having to defend.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 28, 2019, 05:20:18 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
what else am i supposed to do besides let myself die
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 05:23:51 pm
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 05:26:01 pm
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
Stop switching your votes all over the place you spazz
Will post chatlog later.
Post by: RootRanger on May 28, 2019, 05:37:42 pm
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 05:56:25 pm
I think the suspicion on ddevans is unwarranted, and IW is blind roleblocking, so this is an easy choice for me.
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
Why do people keep saying this?
[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much
He was sus of dd, just like a ton of other people. You said it yourself (well more quoted it) If you are sus of someone, then yes roleblock them. Which is exactly what he did.
Post by: Espithel on May 28, 2019, 06:03:08 pm
SILENT
so we can post that chatlog, huh
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 06:07:06 pm
[06:03:24] ‹shockcannon› the real question
[06:03:33] ‹shockcannon› of the people who have revealed things that happened during night phases
[06:03:36] ‹shockcannon› how many were lying?
[06:04:11] ‹shockcannon› because if none were lying than I know quite a bit
[06:04:23] ‹shockcannon› but if several were lying than that info is pretty much useless
[06:04:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I can't imagine all of it being true, but I don't think many people have lied so far
[06:05:07] ‹shockcannon› I'm like 90% certain it's all true
[06:05:10] ‹shockcannon› except ian
[06:05:29] ‹shockcannon› I will admit there's like a 5% chance ian is actually town
[06:05:37] ‹shockcannon› and my read is super off
[06:05:46] ‹shockcannon› but if he is town than everything he said so far would probably be true
[06:05:51] ‹shockcannon› which would give me a whole lot of new info about mafia
[06:06:03] ‹shockcannon› but as of now, I'm pretty sure he's lied a lot
[06:06:25] ‹shockcannon› or he's getting at teammate warden to block him
[06:10:49] ‹shockcannon› ASSUMING you told the truth there might be 3 wardens
[06:10:57] ‹shockcannon› that would be something
[06:14:02] ‹immortal_feud› holy textwall shock
[06:14:54] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yo immortal
[06:14:56] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› League?
[06:15:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Btw don’t vote for insig
[06:15:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› He’s not maf
[06:16:04] ‹immortal_feud› nah sorry was just popping in before bed
[06:16:40] ‹Calindu› People talking about mafia as guests is annoying, I don't know who is who since I haven't really frequented the chat in the past year or so
[06:17:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i belive vamp is shock
[06:17:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Sorry
[06:17:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› This is calindu
[06:17:31] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I think so to, but he is not the only one doing it
[06:17:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (chrysaora and deathstalker arent playing)
[06:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› )(and arent chattign about current maf)
[06:19:17] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[06:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Eat this post. Think better.
[06:40:51] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 10 + 9 + 2 + 3 + 6 + 4 = 34 ...
[07:15:57] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› this is a very cool game
[07:16:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yes
[07:16:23] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› k
[07:16:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› :gravity best element
[07:16:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Singularity is the best card
[08:42:41] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am purely here on business.
[08:43:01] ‹DoubleCapitals› The people who summoned me here, please DM me here or Discord. That is all.
[08:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from iancudorinmarian in Off-Topic Discussions. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[09:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I'd walk a mile for this post.
[09:20:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from Mobian in Off-Topic Discussions. This post tastes good.
[09:32:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Espithel
[09:32:11] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Move your vote to ddevans
[10:00:09] ‹MasterWalks› If insig gets lynched, I full heartedly believe mafia is choosing who we lynch
[10:01:53] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I believe so
[10:02:08] ‹Calindu› But there's a common thing in both lynches
[10:03:16] ‹Espithel› A common thing in both lynches?
[10:03:49] ‹Calindu› Who orchestrated or orchestrates it
[10:03:54] ‹Calindu› There's 2 people
[10:05:02] ‹PrivatePotato› The latest private post is Re: Tournament Organizer and PvP Event Organi... from TheonlyrealBeef in Voting 7 hours ago. Clear your mind.
[10:05:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› have you seen the light?
[10:05:16] ‹shockcannon› only took you a week to catch on
[10:05:24] ‹shockcannon› it's been obvious since day 1
[10:05:53] ‹Calindu› It was suspicious since JCJ died, but there's no way to be sure
[10:06:01] ‹shockcannon› i knew before JCJ died
[10:06:31] ‹shockcannon› ians vote on dawn was mistake #1 from mafia
[10:06:44] ‹shockcannon› the real question
[10:06:48] ‹shockcannon› who are the other 2 mafia?
[10:06:53] ‹shockcannon› i'm pretty certain on the 3rd
[10:06:57] ‹shockcannon› but I can't find the 4th yet
[10:07:23] ‹Calindu› Nah, I think Mobian just boomed them with that 5th vote and they had to scramble
[10:07:39] ‹MasterWalks› I think you are looking to far into N0 votes when info was more limited
[10:07:45] ‹MasterWalks› or day 1
[10:08:25] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:08:33] ‹shockcannon› I may make a big push right now to get ian lynched today
[10:08:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock still thinking I'm mafia
[10:09:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› The way I see it, if dd is mafia, you are too
[10:09:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, suspecting me is fine, but being so sure of it when he knows nothing is silly
[10:09:47] ‹shockcannon› nah
[10:09:50] ‹shockcannon› ian is 100% maf
[10:09:55] ‹shockcannon› dd is like 95% maf
[10:10:02] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:10:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Calindu› actually, it's common for mafia to try to team up with a civvy
[10:10:10] ‹shockcannon› i might as well just share everything else now
[10:10:20] ‹shockcannon› i already revealed two of the maf
[10:10:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› And save themselves one day of lynch with that
[10:10:30] ‹MasterWalks› dd is looking more and more sus everyday. He is too experienced to waste a vote on insig over some bad role claim
[10:10:59] ‹Espithel› You really need to stop using "he's experienced" as an excuse for or against arguments, walks
[10:11:10] ‹Espithel› How experienced he is has no bearing on how right he is
[10:11:13] ‹shockcannon› it appears the other townies are finally catching up
[10:11:20] ‹shockcannon› I might actually be able to post info now
[10:11:26] ‹shockcannon› and actually have people join
[10:11:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, I guess I am fine with shocks silly claims, that makes me less of a priority NK target
[10:11:32] ‹shockcannon› here's the question
[10:11:48] ‹shockcannon› how much do we care about insignificant weeaboo surviving this day phase?
[10:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› It does on how sus he is. He should know better than that. If some first timer like moe or kaempf made that vote, it would not be sus at all
[10:12:04] ‹MasterWalks› I care.
[10:12:17] ‹Calindu› Idk, the way the votes were gathered in day 1 was the suspect thing
[10:12:20] ‹shockcannon› switch your vote to ddevnas then
[10:12:21] ‹MasterWalks› If hes not mafia, well then dont vote him. If he is, he is going to slip up
[10:12:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› And if I get lyched at some point, you will see how bad shock is at mafia
[10:12:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 2 = 19 ...
[10:12:25] ‹Espithel› Eh.
[10:12:33] ‹Espithel› I think weeb's a bit scummy, honestly.
[10:12:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› kaempf isn't maf
[10:12:56] ‹Espithel› The question is if I think weeb is more scummy than evans, which...
[10:12:57] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and your mafia so it makes sense you want us to lynch him
[10:13:02] ‹Calindu› If Mobian didn't vote, ian and dd could easily make up for a 3 vote difference(ian's vote was on dd), Mobian's vote kind of made them scramble to get some more votes
[10:13:19] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Why would IW lie for no reason, that's the question
[10:13:35] ‹Espithel› I don't think he's lying.
[10:13:35] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think he is lying
[10:13:39] ‹MasterWalks› jinx
[10:13:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› btw
[10:13:51] ‹shockcannon› next day phase
[10:13:52] ‹Espithel› ninja'd :^)
[10:13:54] ‹shockcannon› please hold your vote
[10:14:02] ‹shockcannon› people tend to just jump on who you're voting
[10:14:12] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what mafia does when townies hold their vote
[10:14:52] ‹shockcannon› force others to vote first without knowing if anyone will support their accusations
[10:14:59] ‹MasterWalks› lol not hey dont
[10:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› they*
[10:15:08] ‹MasterWalks› if they did, espi wouldnt be talking rn
[10:15:21] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if IW didn't lie, then that either means mafia decided to guard dd when he didn't use any ability N0, or he's town
[10:15:42] ‹Espithel› There is the third possibility.
[10:15:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh if my role wasnt useful I would get myself lynched just to prove shock has no idea what s going on
[10:15:49] ‹Espithel› Which is "weeb's a bit stupid"
[10:15:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not gonna deny that one
[10:16:10] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› took you long enough to defend yourself
[10:16:17] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, this is a lynch on Weeb being stupid, yeah?
[10:16:25] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I don't know exactly how the mafia team works, since I have actually never been mafia on this forum, but I believe they would have a plan
[10:16:26] ‹shockcannon› abandoning your team's "ignore shock" strategy now huh?
[10:16:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› What team?
[10:17:13] ‹shockcannon› is dawn your mafia teammatee?
[10:17:27] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› I've been mafia a few times. How the mafia team works is wildly different from game to game.
[10:17:31] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're highly ordered.
[10:17:35] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're really disparate.
[10:17:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› My only teammate is my face
[10:17:54] • Espithel punches ian's face
[10:17:58] ‹Espithel› No
[10:18:00] ‹Espithel› You stand alone
[10:18:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[10:18:04] ‹Espithel› >:(
[10:18:09] • Espithel coughs.
[10:18:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› D:
[10:18:16] ‹shockcannon› only took about a 5 days to get ian to crack and act like himself
[10:18:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› oull your vote off insig
[10:18:31] ‹MasterWalks› pull*
[10:18:40] ‹shockcannon› did you break character or did you guys decide to switch up your strategy?
[10:18:41] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, the reason people want to lynch Weeb is analogous to the reason people want to lynch Shock.
[10:19:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Espithel› yes
[10:19:17] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I still believe they would at least try to coordinate abilities
[10:20:23] ‹shockcannon› if ian ever gets pressured by a potential lynch
[10:20:37] ‹shockcannon› he's going to claim GN that's been blocked every night
[10:20:43] ‹shockcannon› calling it now
[10:21:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› lul
[10:21:51] ‹MasterWalks› dd is going to give us so much more info than insig
[10:21:58] ‹MasterWalks› if we lynch him
[10:22:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[10:22:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› Might as well stick to my original scum read
[10:22:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Double D :sillyspin: :awesome:
[10:22:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› Even that depends. If the mafia team's more inactive, or if they're more disparate (some mafia teams prefer to act as independently of each other as possible to avoid looking cohesive), or if they have shitty skills, they might not coordinate
[10:22:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› Someone move my vote to Mobian
[10:22:46] ‹MasterWalks› omg i dont want to hear anymore of mobinas aggressive defending
[10:23:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› mafia team of Manuel
[10:23:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock
[10:23:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dm sis
[10:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. It's cold and dark in here ;_;
[10:24:02] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Ahhhhhh
[10:24:02] ‹Espithel› Dm was actually a really competant player
[10:24:15] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Stop switching your votes every 20 seconds aaaa
[10:24:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› That’s why it’s all the more funny
[10:24:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› they’ll all have conflicting opinions
[10:24:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› And will throw each other under the bus
[10:24:57] ‹Espithel› Like they should. :^)
[10:25:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› I need to keep switching votes to claim GN when I am about to get lynced
[10:25:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› *lynched
[10:25:45] ‹Espithel› okay
[10:26:15] ‹shockcannon› don't waver on the ddevans vote
[10:26:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Watch mafia kill GN next night phase
[10:26:32] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what ddevans tries when he's panicking
[10:26:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› @Calindu @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:27:06] ‹shockcannon› don't move your vote and don't respond to ddevans
[10:27:18] ‹shockcannon› let's see what happens if we straight up ignore him when he starts panicking
[10:27:35] ‹Espithel› I mean. He didn't look like he was panicking last night phase.
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
[10:27:53] ‹shockcannon› he was posting non-stop and getting anyone he could to move to JCJ
[10:27:55] ‹shockcannon› he was panicking
[10:28:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[10:28:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› PM ddevans that his time is up
[10:29:00] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› My time is now
[10:29:09] ‹iancudorinmarian› I cant PM you silly
[10:29:17] ‹shockcannon› you can if you're maf
[10:29:29] • Espithel frantically checks who
[10:29:33] ‹Espithel› (joke)
[10:29:43] ‹shockcannon› also i'm fairly certain that if everyone role claimed we could find 3 mafia instantly
[10:30:00] ‹MasterWalks› who is less useful then i thought it would be.
[10:30:03] ‹shockcannon› not that anyone would go along with that but just curious
[10:30:21] ‹MasterWalks› like it does pretty much nothing other than tell you how many guests report stuff to mods
[10:30:28] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› I thoguht you knew 3
[10:30:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› what a let down
[10:30:43] ‹shockcannon› i do know 3
[10:31:00] ‹shockcannon› but i could offer the other town noobs hard evidence on those 3
[10:31:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I am among those 3 you know nothing
[10:31:17] ‹MasterWalks› dont talk about it, be about it
[10:31:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock knows nothing and he is just trying to see if mafia panic
[10:32:11] ‹MasterWalks› ^
[10:32:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› The only way shock knows 3 mafia is if he is mafia himself
[10:33:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› Which honestly wouldnt surprise me
[10:33:06] ‹MasterWalks› and he is the 4th... thats the ultimate bus
[10:33:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› We cant win as long as shock is alive
[10:34:11] ‹MasterWalks› we have to wait until after day 3
[10:34:12] ‹iancudorinmarian› Him being mafia or town
[10:34:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Just like Root said, he's just noise and actually making ot harder to find the real mafia
[10:35:28] ‹Calindu› I didn't base my vote on dd on anything shock said
[10:35:40] ‹MasterWalks› I mean, not really. Hes one of the easiest people to ignore. He doesnt post to the thread all that much and his chat color is easy on the eyes so you can kinda just skim through it
[10:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from RootRanger in Off-Topic Discussions. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[10:36:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yeet
[10:36:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh I dont know dd's alignment. Though I do believe all those orchestrated votes by him are suspicious
[10:37:15] ‹iancudorinmarian› So I guess I will place him in the slightly scummy category
[10:37:19] ‹shockcannon› bussing your teammate now are you ian?
[10:37:23] ‹shockcannon› a little late for that
[10:37:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I was, I would vote for him
[10:37:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You have no idea who the mafia is if you believe espi is town.
[10:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[10:38:03] ‹shockcannon› but straightin bussing like that would be too obvious
[10:38:07] ‹shockcannon› you're covering your bases
[10:38:19] ‹DoubleCapitals› My business here is done for now
[10:38:21] ‹DoubleCapitals› Goodbye
[10:38:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› You are entitled to your opinion
[10:38:47] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Business
[10:38:49] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Bye
[10:39:18] ‹DoubleCapitals› yeah I spelled that wrong, sue me
[10:39:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oh
[10:39:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I didn’t even see the spelling lol
[10:39:56] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I was gonna say something else but pressed enter after business accidentally
[10:40:16] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› (Wait the spelling is right tho??)
[10:40:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hm, Root feels...awkward
[10:40:25] ‹shockcannon› yeah the spelling is right
[10:40:52] ‹shockcannon› root is the worst mafia player i've ever encountered
[10:40:52] ‹MasterWalks› wtf root, that literally makes no sense
[10:41:00] ‹shockcannon› which is why I now know for sure insig is town
[10:41:14] ‹shockcannon› root actually reads everybody wrong
[10:41:19] ‹shockcannon› insig is now confirmed town
[10:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› Last game when he was ash, i straight up told him you are probably town but you are not working for town. That convinced him to lynch you.
[10:41:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Nobody thought insig was mafia
[10:41:49] ‹Calindu› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Why did you actually guard dd, btw?
[10:41:53] ‹MasterWalks› THEN WHY ARE THEY LYNCHING TOWN?
[10:42:01] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› you literally had your vote on insig 5 minutes ago
[10:42:01] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› There’s only two conf town. Jcj and Oa.
[10:42:09] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› I thought for a while, before I saw dd and IW bussing eachother
[10:42:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› We were lynching him because he was working against town by random blocking
[10:42:35] ‹MasterWalks› i dont think its random at all
[10:42:53] ‹Calindu› If he explains it, there's an explanation that makes sense
[10:43:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Was dd really considered all that scummy D1?
[10:43:06] ‹Calindu› I want to see if it's that or something else
[10:43:24] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› He needed to scramble votes out of thin air to not get lynched
[10:43:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Fair
[10:43:54] ‹Espithel› Nope, that's consistent with what Root thinks
[10:44:06] ‹Espithel› Like I said, a Weeb lynch is the same logic as a Shock lynch
[10:44:13] ‹Espithel› And Root really wants to fucking lynch Shock
[10:44:50] ‹MasterWalks› Root cares more about having a quiet town than killing mafia
[10:44:51] ‹Calindu› I just want to hear IW explain guarding dd
[10:45:38] ‹MasterWalks› root has N.Korea logic. If you act differently then you must be dissident
[10:45:51] ‹Espithel› Root is "the most experienced" of all of us
[10:46:01] ‹Espithel› :^)
[10:46:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Btw can mafia be GN
[10:46:10] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Nope
[10:46:12] ‹MasterWalks› Dont talk to me about experience
[10:46:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[10:46:25] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› cool makes sense
[10:46:37] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Only via fate egg/endow/scavenge
[10:46:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› Only one GN and it's confirmed tow
[10:46:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Town
[10:47:15] ‹MasterWalks› GN is useless for Mafia
[10:47:27] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Well
[10:47:33] ‹shockcannon› mobian, get your vote on ddevans
[10:47:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It restricts from town having a GN lel
[10:48:12] ‹shockcannon› or if you wanna channel your rage at ian
[10:48:18] ‹shockcannon› i'm down to move all our votes to ian
[10:49:10] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 6 + 10 + 5 + 9 + 2 + 3 = 35 ...
[10:49:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock acting like town leader
[10:49:35] ‹MasterWalks› Better than dd tbh
[10:49:38] ‹shockcannon› ian acting like outed mafia
[10:50:04] ‹Espithel› Anyone who disagrees with THE LORD is scum
[10:50:07] ‹shockcannon› if you were town you would've responded to me like you're responding now 5 days ago
[10:50:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› War
[10:50:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Wat
[10:50:22] ‹MasterWalks› War wen
[10:50:27] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 7 = 30 ...
[10:50:36] ‹shockcannon› but you and your maf buddies chose to play the "ignore shock" strategy
[10:50:38] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› WOARRRRR
[10:50:39] ‹shockcannon› and then it failed
[10:50:42] ‹shockcannon› and now you're panicking
[10:50:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› explain you targeting dd
[10:50:58] ‹iancudorinmarian› If you were town you wouldnt try to lynch me for no reason
[10:51:13] ‹Espithel› Hang on
[10:51:18] ‹Espithel› That's *the most towny thing* you can do
[10:51:21] ‹Espithel› Be shit at the game
[10:51:27] ‹shockcannon› that's probably the worst excuse i've ever heard
[10:51:28] ‹Espithel› Like I'm not joking ian
[10:51:54] ‹shockcannon› remember how ian was such a good townie last game?
[10:52:08] ‹shockcannon› he would never share roles or encourage sharing roles
[10:52:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› And how is it different this game?
[10:52:20] ‹shockcannon› he only voted once per day and was logical and systematic
[10:52:26] ‹shockcannon› but then this game
[10:52:35] ‹shockcannon› he announces day 1 that his role was blocked
[10:52:41] ‹shockcannon› and almost even told us who he targeted
[10:52:49] ‹shockcannon› then he switches votes randomly
[10:53:05] ‹shockcannon› doesn't defend himself when I call him out until other townies actually start getting suspicious of him
[10:53:11] ‹MasterWalks› I switch votes randomly...
[10:53:28] ‹shockcannon› but is ian one to do that?
[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much
[10:53:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Hes one of us
[10:53:53] ‹shockcannon› i made ian ragequit
[10:54:00] ‹shockcannon› gg mafia
[10:54:13] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› ?
[10:54:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Insigs reasoning to targeting dd is what we think of dd too
[10:54:51] ‹Calindu› No, that's not the reason that makes the most sense
[10:54:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh the only reason I am even talking to you is I have nothing better to do
[10:55:13] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Talk to me instead. We'll make it productive.
[10:55:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› sleep
[10:55:18] ‹Espithel› Hey. Do you have minecraft?
[10:55:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Sleep is always better than anything
[10:55:23] ‹Espithel› I can introduce you to my server. owo
[10:55:29] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont
[10:55:45] ‹Calindu› Remember that dd caught a firefly N0, that's important
[10:56:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Anyway, might as well finish with shock
[10:56:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re: random voting
[10:56:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› Read my N0 strategy
[10:56:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› And I always gave reasons for my votes
[10:57:15] ‹shockcannon› except they offer no cover for golden nymph
[10:57:27] ‹shockcannon› because you told everyone you were blocked 2 nights in a row
[10:57:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re:shared roles, I never shared any role
[10:57:36] ‹MasterWalks› If dd caught a firefly N0 that probably means he has roleblocking or kill role
[10:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. ...but it's only a theory.
[10:58:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› I thought we agreed to say if we catch fireflies or we get blocked
[10:58:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I could well be GN btw
[10:59:13] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should stop reporting firefly cathces
[10:59:54] ‹shockcannon› I think we have several dupilcate roles this game
[11:00:05] ‹shockcannon› which means several roles are just completely missing from the game as well
[11:00:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Check EoR description
[11:00:27] ‹MasterWalks› Can FFQ have multiple fireflys out at a time?
[11:00:28] ‹Calindu› It's clear there is at least a duplicate role
[11:00:34] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Yes
[11:00:35] ‹iancudorinmarian› And you will see what I mean
[11:00:46] ‹shockcannon› if everyone is telling the truth
[11:00:50] ‹shockcannon› there are at least 2 FFQ
[11:00:59] ‹shockcannon› dawn and insig both claimed warden
[11:01:02] ‹shockcannon› so that's 2 wardens
[11:01:13] ‹MasterWalks› when did dawn claim ward?
[11:01:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Why 2 wardens?
[11:01:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont remember dawn claiming warden
[11:02:09] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I don't remember dawn claiming warden either
[11:02:22] ‹Calindu› IW hard claimed it
[11:02:30] ‹shockcannon› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[11:02:37] ‹shockcannon› did everyone miss that?
[11:02:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[11:02:43] ‹shockcannon› because that's pretty big info
[11:02:51] ‹MasterWalks› thats not about himself, hes talking about insig
[11:02:53] ‹shockcannon› oh
[11:02:58] ‹shockcannon› lol
[11:03:05] ‹shockcannon› i thought he talked about being warden in chat also though
[11:03:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nub
[11:03:11] ‹shockcannon› which is why i thought he was refering to himself
[11:03:20] ‹shockcannon› let me check chatlogs because I swear he talked about it himself
[11:03:48] ‹Mobian› He was talking about it's usage, but never roleclaimed
[11:03:57] ‹Espithel› Can we be, er
[11:04:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[11:04:04] ‹Espithel› SILENT
[11:04:08] ‹Espithel› For just a moment?
[11:04:16] ‹Espithel› We need to get this chatlog through.
[11:04:26] ‹Mobian› Nyet
[11:04:38] ‹Espithel› Oh fuck
[11:04:39] ‹Espithel› I refreshed
[11:04:41] ‹Espithel› eeer
[11:04:43] ‹MasterWalks› but we are not done yet
[11:04:49] ‹iancudorinmarian› A moment of silence for this chatlog
[11:04:57] ‹Mobian› F
[11:04:57] ‹Espithel› Yeah but you're blindsiding Root with knowledge he doesn't have!
[11:05:02] ‹MasterWalks› I can post when its done. Ive been here the whole time
[11:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do it in a two-parter now while we have this lull
[11:05:19] ‹Espithel› cheers
[11:05:23] ‹shockcannon› dawn definitely mentioned being warden
[11:05:28] ‹shockcannon› and that he didn't use it himself
[11:05:32] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› when??
[11:05:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› Lies
[11:05:45] ‹Mobian› Pretty sure you're crazy, shock
[06:03:33] ‹shockcannon› of the people who have revealed things that happened during night phases
[06:03:36] ‹shockcannon› how many were lying?
[06:04:11] ‹shockcannon› because if none were lying than I know quite a bit
[06:04:23] ‹shockcannon› but if several were lying than that info is pretty much useless
[06:04:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I can't imagine all of it being true, but I don't think many people have lied so far
[06:05:07] ‹shockcannon› I'm like 90% certain it's all true
[06:05:10] ‹shockcannon› except ian
[06:05:29] ‹shockcannon› I will admit there's like a 5% chance ian is actually town
[06:05:37] ‹shockcannon› and my read is super off
[06:05:46] ‹shockcannon› but if he is town than everything he said so far would probably be true
[06:05:51] ‹shockcannon› which would give me a whole lot of new info about mafia
[06:06:03] ‹shockcannon› but as of now, I'm pretty sure he's lied a lot
[06:06:25] ‹shockcannon› or he's getting at teammate warden to block him
[06:10:49] ‹shockcannon› ASSUMING you told the truth there might be 3 wardens
[06:10:57] ‹shockcannon› that would be something
[06:14:02] ‹immortal_feud› holy textwall shock
[06:14:54] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yo immortal
[06:14:56] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› League?
[06:15:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Btw don’t vote for insig
[06:15:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› He’s not maf
[06:16:04] ‹immortal_feud› nah sorry was just popping in before bed
[06:16:40] ‹Calindu› People talking about mafia as guests is annoying, I don't know who is who since I haven't really frequented the chat in the past year or so
[06:17:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i belive vamp is shock
[06:17:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Sorry
[06:17:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› This is calindu
[06:17:31] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I think so to, but he is not the only one doing it
[06:17:53] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› (chrysaora and deathstalker arent playing)
[06:18:12] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› )(and arent chattign about current maf)
[06:19:17] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[06:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Eat this post. Think better.
[06:40:51] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 10 + 9 + 2 + 3 + 6 + 4 = 34 ...
[07:15:57] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› this is a very cool game
[07:16:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Yes
[07:16:23] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› k
[07:16:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-38c99› :gravity best element
[07:16:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Singularity is the best card
[08:42:41] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am purely here on business.
[08:43:01] ‹DoubleCapitals› The people who summoned me here, please DM me here or Discord. That is all.
[08:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from iancudorinmarian in Off-Topic Discussions. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[09:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I'd walk a mile for this post.
[09:20:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from Mobian in Off-Topic Discussions. This post tastes good.
[09:32:02] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Espithel
[09:32:11] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Move your vote to ddevans
[10:00:09] ‹MasterWalks› If insig gets lynched, I full heartedly believe mafia is choosing who we lynch
[10:01:53] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I believe so
[10:02:08] ‹Calindu› But there's a common thing in both lynches
[10:03:16] ‹Espithel› A common thing in both lynches?
[10:03:49] ‹Calindu› Who orchestrated or orchestrates it
[10:03:54] ‹Calindu› There's 2 people
[10:05:02] ‹PrivatePotato› The latest private post is Re: Tournament Organizer and PvP Event Organi... from TheonlyrealBeef in Voting 7 hours ago. Clear your mind.
[10:05:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› have you seen the light?
[10:05:16] ‹shockcannon› only took you a week to catch on
[10:05:24] ‹shockcannon› it's been obvious since day 1
[10:05:53] ‹Calindu› It was suspicious since JCJ died, but there's no way to be sure
[10:06:01] ‹shockcannon› i knew before JCJ died
[10:06:31] ‹shockcannon› ians vote on dawn was mistake #1 from mafia
[10:06:44] ‹shockcannon› the real question
[10:06:48] ‹shockcannon› who are the other 2 mafia?
[10:06:53] ‹shockcannon› i'm pretty certain on the 3rd
[10:06:57] ‹shockcannon› but I can't find the 4th yet
[10:07:23] ‹Calindu› Nah, I think Mobian just boomed them with that 5th vote and they had to scramble
[10:07:39] ‹MasterWalks› I think you are looking to far into N0 votes when info was more limited
[10:07:45] ‹MasterWalks› or day 1
[10:08:25] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:08:33] ‹shockcannon› I may make a big push right now to get ian lynched today
[10:08:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock still thinking I'm mafia
[10:09:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› The way I see it, if dd is mafia, you are too
[10:09:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, suspecting me is fine, but being so sure of it when he knows nothing is silly
[10:09:47] ‹shockcannon› nah
[10:09:50] ‹shockcannon› ian is 100% maf
[10:09:55] ‹shockcannon› dd is like 95% maf
[10:10:02] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[10:10:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Calindu› actually, it's common for mafia to try to team up with a civvy
[10:10:10] ‹shockcannon› i might as well just share everything else now
[10:10:20] ‹shockcannon› i already revealed two of the maf
[10:10:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› And save themselves one day of lynch with that
[10:10:30] ‹MasterWalks› dd is looking more and more sus everyday. He is too experienced to waste a vote on insig over some bad role claim
[10:10:59] ‹Espithel› You really need to stop using "he's experienced" as an excuse for or against arguments, walks
[10:11:10] ‹Espithel› How experienced he is has no bearing on how right he is
[10:11:13] ‹shockcannon› it appears the other townies are finally catching up
[10:11:20] ‹shockcannon› I might actually be able to post info now
[10:11:26] ‹shockcannon› and actually have people join
[10:11:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, I guess I am fine with shocks silly claims, that makes me less of a priority NK target
[10:11:32] ‹shockcannon› here's the question
[10:11:48] ‹shockcannon› how much do we care about insignificant weeaboo surviving this day phase?
[10:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› It does on how sus he is. He should know better than that. If some first timer like moe or kaempf made that vote, it would not be sus at all
[10:12:04] ‹MasterWalks› I care.
[10:12:17] ‹Calindu› Idk, the way the votes were gathered in day 1 was the suspect thing
[10:12:20] ‹shockcannon› switch your vote to ddevnas then
[10:12:21] ‹MasterWalks› If hes not mafia, well then dont vote him. If he is, he is going to slip up
[10:12:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› And if I get lyched at some point, you will see how bad shock is at mafia
[10:12:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 2 = 19 ...
[10:12:25] ‹Espithel› Eh.
[10:12:33] ‹Espithel› I think weeb's a bit scummy, honestly.
[10:12:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› kaempf isn't maf
[10:12:56] ‹Espithel› The question is if I think weeb is more scummy than evans, which...
[10:12:57] ‹MasterWalks› Yea and your mafia so it makes sense you want us to lynch him
[10:13:02] ‹Calindu› If Mobian didn't vote, ian and dd could easily make up for a 3 vote difference(ian's vote was on dd), Mobian's vote kind of made them scramble to get some more votes
[10:13:19] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Why would IW lie for no reason, that's the question
[10:13:35] ‹Espithel› I don't think he's lying.
[10:13:35] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think he is lying
[10:13:39] ‹MasterWalks› jinx
[10:13:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› btw
[10:13:51] ‹shockcannon› next day phase
[10:13:52] ‹Espithel› ninja'd :^)
[10:13:54] ‹shockcannon› please hold your vote
[10:14:02] ‹shockcannon› people tend to just jump on who you're voting
[10:14:12] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what mafia does when townies hold their vote
[10:14:52] ‹shockcannon› force others to vote first without knowing if anyone will support their accusations
[10:14:59] ‹MasterWalks› lol not hey dont
[10:15:01] ‹MasterWalks› they*
[10:15:08] ‹MasterWalks› if they did, espi wouldnt be talking rn
[10:15:21] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if IW didn't lie, then that either means mafia decided to guard dd when he didn't use any ability N0, or he's town
[10:15:42] ‹Espithel› There is the third possibility.
[10:15:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh if my role wasnt useful I would get myself lynched just to prove shock has no idea what s going on
[10:15:49] ‹Espithel› Which is "weeb's a bit stupid"
[10:15:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not gonna deny that one
[10:16:10] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› took you long enough to defend yourself
[10:16:17] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, this is a lynch on Weeb being stupid, yeah?
[10:16:25] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I don't know exactly how the mafia team works, since I have actually never been mafia on this forum, but I believe they would have a plan
[10:16:26] ‹shockcannon› abandoning your team's "ignore shock" strategy now huh?
[10:16:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› What team?
[10:17:13] ‹shockcannon› is dawn your mafia teammatee?
[10:17:27] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› I've been mafia a few times. How the mafia team works is wildly different from game to game.
[10:17:31] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're highly ordered.
[10:17:35] ‹Espithel› Sometimes, they're really disparate.
[10:17:41] ‹iancudorinmarian› My only teammate is my face
[10:17:54] • Espithel punches ian's face
[10:17:58] ‹Espithel› No
[10:18:00] ‹Espithel› You stand alone
[10:18:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[10:18:04] ‹Espithel› >:(
[10:18:09] • Espithel coughs.
[10:18:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› D:
[10:18:16] ‹shockcannon› only took about a 5 days to get ian to crack and act like himself
[10:18:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@iancudorinmarian› oull your vote off insig
[10:18:31] ‹MasterWalks› pull*
[10:18:40] ‹shockcannon› did you break character or did you guys decide to switch up your strategy?
[10:18:41] ‹Espithel› The way I see it, the reason people want to lynch Weeb is analogous to the reason people want to lynch Shock.
[10:19:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@Espithel› yes
[10:19:17] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I still believe they would at least try to coordinate abilities
[10:20:23] ‹shockcannon› if ian ever gets pressured by a potential lynch
[10:20:37] ‹shockcannon› he's going to claim GN that's been blocked every night
[10:20:43] ‹shockcannon› calling it now
[10:21:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› lul
[10:21:51] ‹MasterWalks› dd is going to give us so much more info than insig
[10:21:58] ‹MasterWalks› if we lynch him
[10:22:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[10:22:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› Might as well stick to my original scum read
[10:22:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Double D :sillyspin: :awesome:
[10:22:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› Even that depends. If the mafia team's more inactive, or if they're more disparate (some mafia teams prefer to act as independently of each other as possible to avoid looking cohesive), or if they have shitty skills, they might not coordinate
[10:22:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› Someone move my vote to Mobian
[10:22:46] ‹MasterWalks› omg i dont want to hear anymore of mobinas aggressive defending
[10:23:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› mafia team of Manuel
[10:23:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock
[10:23:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dm sis
[10:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. It's cold and dark in here ;_;
[10:24:02] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Ahhhhhh
[10:24:02] ‹Espithel› Dm was actually a really competant player
[10:24:15] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Stop switching your votes every 20 seconds aaaa
[10:24:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› That’s why it’s all the more funny
[10:24:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› they’ll all have conflicting opinions
[10:24:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› And will throw each other under the bus
[10:24:57] ‹Espithel› Like they should. :^)
[10:25:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› I need to keep switching votes to claim GN when I am about to get lynced
[10:25:32] ‹iancudorinmarian› *lynched
[10:25:45] ‹Espithel› okay
[10:26:15] ‹shockcannon› don't waver on the ddevans vote
[10:26:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Watch mafia kill GN next night phase
[10:26:32] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what ddevans tries when he's panicking
[10:26:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› @Calindu @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:27:06] ‹shockcannon› don't move your vote and don't respond to ddevans
[10:27:18] ‹shockcannon› let's see what happens if we straight up ignore him when he starts panicking
[10:27:35] ‹Espithel› I mean. He didn't look like he was panicking last night phase.
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
[10:27:53] ‹shockcannon› he was posting non-stop and getting anyone he could to move to JCJ
[10:27:55] ‹shockcannon› he was panicking
[10:28:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[10:28:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› PM ddevans that his time is up
[10:29:00] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› My time is now
[10:29:09] ‹iancudorinmarian› I cant PM you silly
[10:29:17] ‹shockcannon› you can if you're maf
[10:29:29] • Espithel frantically checks who
[10:29:33] ‹Espithel› (joke)
[10:29:43] ‹shockcannon› also i'm fairly certain that if everyone role claimed we could find 3 mafia instantly
[10:30:00] ‹MasterWalks› who is less useful then i thought it would be.
[10:30:03] ‹shockcannon› not that anyone would go along with that but just curious
[10:30:21] ‹MasterWalks› like it does pretty much nothing other than tell you how many guests report stuff to mods
[10:30:28] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› I thoguht you knew 3
[10:30:32] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› what a let down
[10:30:43] ‹shockcannon› i do know 3
[10:31:00] ‹shockcannon› but i could offer the other town noobs hard evidence on those 3
[10:31:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I am among those 3 you know nothing
[10:31:17] ‹MasterWalks› dont talk about it, be about it
[10:31:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock knows nothing and he is just trying to see if mafia panic
[10:32:11] ‹MasterWalks› ^
[10:32:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› The only way shock knows 3 mafia is if he is mafia himself
[10:33:05] ‹iancudorinmarian› Which honestly wouldnt surprise me
[10:33:06] ‹MasterWalks› and he is the 4th... thats the ultimate bus
[10:33:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› We cant win as long as shock is alive
[10:34:11] ‹MasterWalks› we have to wait until after day 3
[10:34:12] ‹iancudorinmarian› Him being mafia or town
[10:34:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› Just like Root said, he's just noise and actually making ot harder to find the real mafia
[10:35:28] ‹Calindu› I didn't base my vote on dd on anything shock said
[10:35:40] ‹MasterWalks› I mean, not really. Hes one of the easiest people to ignore. He doesnt post to the thread all that much and his chat color is easy on the eyes so you can kinda just skim through it
[10:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from RootRanger in Off-Topic Discussions. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[10:36:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yeet
[10:36:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh I dont know dd's alignment. Though I do believe all those orchestrated votes by him are suspicious
[10:37:15] ‹iancudorinmarian› So I guess I will place him in the slightly scummy category
[10:37:19] ‹shockcannon› bussing your teammate now are you ian?
[10:37:23] ‹shockcannon› a little late for that
[10:37:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› If I was, I would vote for him
[10:37:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You have no idea who the mafia is if you believe espi is town.
[10:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[10:38:03] ‹shockcannon› but straightin bussing like that would be too obvious
[10:38:07] ‹shockcannon› you're covering your bases
[10:38:19] ‹DoubleCapitals› My business here is done for now
[10:38:21] ‹DoubleCapitals› Goodbye
[10:38:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› You are entitled to your opinion
[10:38:47] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Business
[10:38:49] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Bye
[10:39:18] ‹DoubleCapitals› yeah I spelled that wrong, sue me
[10:39:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oh
[10:39:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I didn’t even see the spelling lol
[10:39:56] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I was gonna say something else but pressed enter after business accidentally
[10:40:16] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› (Wait the spelling is right tho??)
[10:40:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hm, Root feels...awkward
[10:40:25] ‹shockcannon› yeah the spelling is right
[10:40:52] ‹shockcannon› root is the worst mafia player i've ever encountered
[10:40:52] ‹MasterWalks› wtf root, that literally makes no sense
[10:41:00] ‹shockcannon› which is why I now know for sure insig is town
[10:41:14] ‹shockcannon› root actually reads everybody wrong
[10:41:19] ‹shockcannon› insig is now confirmed town
[10:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› Last game when he was ash, i straight up told him you are probably town but you are not working for town. That convinced him to lynch you.
[10:41:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› Nobody thought insig was mafia
[10:41:49] ‹Calindu› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Why did you actually guard dd, btw?
[10:41:53] ‹MasterWalks› THEN WHY ARE THEY LYNCHING TOWN?
[10:42:01] ‹shockcannon› ‹@iancudorinmarian› you literally had your vote on insig 5 minutes ago
[10:42:01] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› There’s only two conf town. Jcj and Oa.
[10:42:09] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› I thought for a while, before I saw dd and IW bussing eachother
[10:42:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› We were lynching him because he was working against town by random blocking
[10:42:35] ‹MasterWalks› i dont think its random at all
[10:42:53] ‹Calindu› If he explains it, there's an explanation that makes sense
[10:43:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Was dd really considered all that scummy D1?
[10:43:06] ‹Calindu› I want to see if it's that or something else
[10:43:24] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› He needed to scramble votes out of thin air to not get lynched
[10:43:50] ‹iancudorinmarian› Fair
[10:43:54] ‹Espithel› Nope, that's consistent with what Root thinks
[10:44:06] ‹Espithel› Like I said, a Weeb lynch is the same logic as a Shock lynch
[10:44:13] ‹Espithel› And Root really wants to fucking lynch Shock
[10:44:50] ‹MasterWalks› Root cares more about having a quiet town than killing mafia
[10:44:51] ‹Calindu› I just want to hear IW explain guarding dd
[10:45:38] ‹MasterWalks› root has N.Korea logic. If you act differently then you must be dissident
[10:45:51] ‹Espithel› Root is "the most experienced" of all of us
[10:46:01] ‹Espithel› :^)
[10:46:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Btw can mafia be GN
[10:46:10] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Nope
[10:46:12] ‹MasterWalks› Dont talk to me about experience
[10:46:14] ‹iancudorinmarian› No
[10:46:25] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› cool makes sense
[10:46:37] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Only via fate egg/endow/scavenge
[10:46:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› Only one GN and it's confirmed tow
[10:46:45] ‹iancudorinmarian› Town
[10:47:15] ‹MasterWalks› GN is useless for Mafia
[10:47:27] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Well
[10:47:33] ‹shockcannon› mobian, get your vote on ddevans
[10:47:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It restricts from town having a GN lel
[10:48:12] ‹shockcannon› or if you wanna channel your rage at ian
[10:48:18] ‹shockcannon› i'm down to move all our votes to ian
[10:49:10] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
(6d10) 6 + 10 + 5 + 9 + 2 + 3 = 35 ...
[10:49:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› Shock acting like town leader
[10:49:35] ‹MasterWalks› Better than dd tbh
[10:49:38] ‹shockcannon› ian acting like outed mafia
[10:50:04] ‹Espithel› Anyone who disagrees with THE LORD is scum
[10:50:07] ‹shockcannon› if you were town you would've responded to me like you're responding now 5 days ago
[10:50:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› War
[10:50:18] ‹iancudorinmarian› Wat
[10:50:22] ‹MasterWalks› War wen
[10:50:27] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 8 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 7 = 30 ...
[10:50:36] ‹shockcannon› but you and your maf buddies chose to play the "ignore shock" strategy
[10:50:38] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› WOARRRRR
[10:50:39] ‹shockcannon› and then it failed
[10:50:42] ‹shockcannon› and now you're panicking
[10:50:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› explain you targeting dd
[10:50:58] ‹iancudorinmarian› If you were town you wouldnt try to lynch me for no reason
[10:51:13] ‹Espithel› Hang on
[10:51:18] ‹Espithel› That's *the most towny thing* you can do
[10:51:21] ‹Espithel› Be shit at the game
[10:51:27] ‹shockcannon› that's probably the worst excuse i've ever heard
[10:51:28] ‹Espithel› Like I'm not joking ian
[10:51:54] ‹shockcannon› remember how ian was such a good townie last game?
[10:52:08] ‹shockcannon› he would never share roles or encourage sharing roles
[10:52:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› And how is it different this game?
[10:52:20] ‹shockcannon› he only voted once per day and was logical and systematic
[10:52:26] ‹shockcannon› but then this game
[10:52:35] ‹shockcannon› he announces day 1 that his role was blocked
[10:52:41] ‹shockcannon› and almost even told us who he targeted
[10:52:49] ‹shockcannon› then he switches votes randomly
[10:53:05] ‹shockcannon› doesn't defend himself when I call him out until other townies actually start getting suspicious of him
[10:53:11] ‹MasterWalks› I switch votes randomly...
[10:53:28] ‹shockcannon› but is ian one to do that?
[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much
[10:53:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Hes one of us
[10:53:53] ‹shockcannon› i made ian ragequit
[10:54:00] ‹shockcannon› gg mafia
[10:54:13] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› ?
[10:54:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Insigs reasoning to targeting dd is what we think of dd too
[10:54:51] ‹Calindu› No, that's not the reason that makes the most sense
[10:54:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› Tbh the only reason I am even talking to you is I have nothing better to do
[10:55:13] ‹Espithel› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Talk to me instead. We'll make it productive.
[10:55:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› sleep
[10:55:18] ‹Espithel› Hey. Do you have minecraft?
[10:55:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Sleep is always better than anything
[10:55:23] ‹Espithel› I can introduce you to my server. owo
[10:55:29] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont
[10:55:45] ‹Calindu› Remember that dd caught a firefly N0, that's important
[10:56:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Anyway, might as well finish with shock
[10:56:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re: random voting
[10:56:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› Read my N0 strategy
[10:56:42] ‹iancudorinmarian› And I always gave reasons for my votes
[10:57:15] ‹shockcannon› except they offer no cover for golden nymph
[10:57:27] ‹shockcannon› because you told everyone you were blocked 2 nights in a row
[10:57:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› Re:shared roles, I never shared any role
[10:57:36] ‹MasterWalks› If dd caught a firefly N0 that probably means he has roleblocking or kill role
[10:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. ...but it's only a theory.
[10:58:28] ‹iancudorinmarian› I thought we agreed to say if we catch fireflies or we get blocked
[10:58:52] ‹iancudorinmarian› I could well be GN btw
[10:59:13] ‹MasterWalks› I think we should stop reporting firefly cathces
[10:59:54] ‹shockcannon› I think we have several dupilcate roles this game
[11:00:05] ‹shockcannon› which means several roles are just completely missing from the game as well
[11:00:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Check EoR description
[11:00:27] ‹MasterWalks› Can FFQ have multiple fireflys out at a time?
[11:00:28] ‹Calindu› It's clear there is at least a duplicate role
[11:00:34] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Yes
[11:00:35] ‹iancudorinmarian› And you will see what I mean
[11:00:46] ‹shockcannon› if everyone is telling the truth
[11:00:50] ‹shockcannon› there are at least 2 FFQ
[11:00:59] ‹shockcannon› dawn and insig both claimed warden
[11:01:02] ‹shockcannon› so that's 2 wardens
[11:01:13] ‹MasterWalks› when did dawn claim ward?
[11:01:17] ‹iancudorinmarian› Why 2 wardens?
[11:01:43] ‹iancudorinmarian› I dont remember dawn claiming warden
[11:02:09] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I don't remember dawn claiming warden either
[11:02:22] ‹Calindu› IW hard claimed it
[11:02:30] ‹shockcannon› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[11:02:37] ‹shockcannon› did everyone miss that?
[11:02:43] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[11:02:43] ‹shockcannon› because that's pretty big info
[11:02:51] ‹MasterWalks› thats not about himself, hes talking about insig
[11:02:53] ‹shockcannon› oh
[11:02:58] ‹shockcannon› lol
[11:03:05] ‹shockcannon› i thought he talked about being warden in chat also though
[11:03:05] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› nub
[11:03:11] ‹shockcannon› which is why i thought he was refering to himself
[11:03:20] ‹shockcannon› let me check chatlogs because I swear he talked about it himself
[11:03:48] ‹Mobian› He was talking about it's usage, but never roleclaimed
[11:03:57] ‹Espithel› Can we be, er
[11:04:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[11:04:04] ‹Espithel› SILENT
[11:04:08] ‹Espithel› For just a moment?
[11:04:16] ‹Espithel› We need to get this chatlog through.
[11:04:26] ‹Mobian› Nyet
[11:04:38] ‹Espithel› Oh fuck
[11:04:39] ‹Espithel› I refreshed
[11:04:41] ‹Espithel› eeer
[11:04:43] ‹MasterWalks› but we are not done yet
[11:04:49] ‹iancudorinmarian› A moment of silence for this chatlog
[11:04:57] ‹Mobian› F
[11:04:57] ‹Espithel› Yeah but you're blindsiding Root with knowledge he doesn't have!
[11:05:02] ‹MasterWalks› I can post when its done. Ive been here the whole time
[11:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do it in a two-parter now while we have this lull
[11:05:19] ‹Espithel› cheers
[11:05:23] ‹shockcannon› dawn definitely mentioned being warden
[11:05:28] ‹shockcannon› and that he didn't use it himself
[11:05:32] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› when??
[11:05:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› Lies
[11:05:45] ‹Mobian› Pretty sure you're crazy, shock
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 06:10:08 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 06:13:17 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 07:03:33 pm
[10:53:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dd seemed to be attempting to orchestrate votes to get rid of important town. I wanted to prevent him from doing too much
Here are my 'orchestrations':
Espi: Didn't actually get lynched, still alive
jcj: Lynched to save self, because...Link 'orchestrated' a vote on me
IW: Isn't actually going to get lynched, because...Link is 'orchestrating' a vote on kaempfer
I don't have enough question marks to indicate what I think of these assertions. If anyone is 'orchestrating' anything, it would clearly be Link, not me. If I'm 'orchestrating' votes as mafia, I'm doing a very bad job of it compared to what I'm capable of.
Would you disagree that it's fair to say that you might just be tunneling again? It feels like you keeps bending the truth where I'm concerned.
What interaction history? The only interaction I had with kae is both of us defending Espi day 1.
Correct.
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The only interaction I had with IW is me calling him out on possibly lying.
You two followed very comparable arcs through the first day. For that reason, I doubt you are both mafia. You'd be stepping on each other's toes too much. Same with you and kae (here I disagree with Espi, if I'm not mistaken). And I already think you're town, so kae and IW are the best lynch targets, from my perspective.
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That's the thing, I am not sure exactly about the interaction between you two, I found some possible scenarios, but they all are strange:
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3. IW mafia, dd town: Again, no reason to warden dd, even more of a strange play. But at the same time, IW could lie about the whole thing happening, for unknown reasons.
Plenty of reason to Warden me as mafia. Just because I didn't use my ability day one doesn't mean I couldn't use it against mafia in the future. And Warden gets information too - if mafia knows I'm town, and they see other town people use supportive abilities on me, they know what roles think I'm town - or conversely, if they see other town use roleblocks on me, they have a smokescreen to use.
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I believe IW is town, since him lying this randomly or the mafia team targeting each other this early makes even less sense.
Early game is the best time to safely bus.
Alright now its pointless to hide it in case 4 people somehow missed that pms between mafia are allowed.
Doubtful. The entire concept of the game mafia is that the mafia faction is an informed minority that can communicate with each other. This post may as well read as 'in case four people, playing the game mafia, have never heard of the game mafia' - one person getting their feet wet with a new experience, sure, but not four people.
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This is my first game of mafia here so noone would have noticed it as unusual if I held back and waited for responses from mafia before posting anything major. As such I think the one thing that makes you suspicious of me is actually my best defense here. I can go into even more detail about this shallow point if you request it.
But my waking up call was not a member of mafia pming me "wth are you doing man", it was me spending a day asking "why does almost noone agree with me?".
Agreed on all counts.
I am also suspicious of most people who are actively engaging in the discussion including you. But in your case I tell myself I need to sit back a bit.
The reason I am suspicious is because you avoided being lynched and pushed (with great ease) the lynch on town GA. I was in accord with that but seeing the outcome it's just not comfortable. But if you were town it's the only viable play you had left unless you have a shitty role, then the small chance to kill mafia might not be worth it. The last part is the reason I try to come to my senses and see reason. If you were mafia it's a good play but needs to rouse suspicion.
If you thought it looked easy, I'm flattered - that was the hardest I have ever worked to avoid being lynched. I was convinced Espi would return his vote to me and I had no chance to live.
I agree the play should logically be looked at with caution. Any time a town is lynched should be viewed as some level of suspicious.
The strongest connection is between you and insig. Albeit one-sided.
Correct, this is a stronger connection than either Cal-IW or Cal-kae. I don't think it's any stronger than MW-Espi, me-Link, or shock-iancu.
Since dd didn't use an ability N0, it doesn't make sense for a mafia to Ward him since he probably doesn't have a strong role.
Disagree, as per above.
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It makes sense for town Insig to Ward dd since he was scumreading him
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There's guaranteed at least one mafia on that train.
Agreed with both.
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Move to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.
[20:28:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› dd in response to that post: "Nah dude I'm mafia lol lemme stick on IW"
I'm open to playing your game as I did with shock's, but I'm not doing it at severe risk to myself. If someone else moves to kaempfer, I will too.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 07:14:39 pm
. I saw it coming.[10:26:32] ‹shockcannon› I wanna see what ddevans tries when he's panicking
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 07:20:09 pm
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
It's almost like I've played 60+ games between forum and chat in this community for people to see what my typical behavior is like.
You aren't a seer, you're a scholar. Still commendable, but not anything revelatory.
Post by: RootRanger on May 28, 2019, 07:38:32 pm
I just want to comment that if ian ends up being civ this game, the log loss (http://wiki.fast.ai/index.php/Log_Loss) of shock's predictions becomes infinite, basically meaning that he's so incorrect that human measures of classification performance are incapable of describing how unreliable he is. Just something to think about in future mafias - that one of the people you're playing with is an infinitely unreliable teammate.
Post by: RootRanger on May 28, 2019, 07:42:38 pm
He was sus of dd, just like a ton of other people. You said it yourself (well more quoted it) If you are sus of someone, then yes roleblock them. Which is exactly what he did.If there were a decent justification for why ddevans was mafia, then sure. But there isn't. No GN claim, no Oty reveal, not even Psion - basically nothing of value. I'd still wager it's more likely than not that IW is a civ playing way too recklessly, but the odds that he's mafia are definitely better than the odds that ddevans is.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 28, 2019, 07:44:22 pm
Is there a chance insig told the truth and yet both are mafia? While doublebussing often guarantees one lives for a while, guarding your own mafia teammate probably only makes sense if they have OU abilities.
could insig tell the truth, be mafia and dd town? Somewhat unlikely with dd always on the chopping block and having caught a firefly according to his words, so why would maf block him for likely no effect? Not an actual edit as I didnt post this yet, but seems dd suggests it was to block town from learning dds role. However doesnt the same thing still apply? Every good role except roleblocking/killing ones is absolutely worth using every opportunity you get so I dont think learning your role matters that much (let alone going the step further to do it just to prevent people from learning it).
Ok so what if insig is telling the truth and town? In that case he likely didnt realize warden is the only townrole that could have that kind of info (I guess that applies no matter what). Seems he regards all roleblocks as bad for town (no exception other than used on maf ofc) ( I argued warden might be worth using blindly for the info and protection it gives, but he clearly thought otherwise with his claim to not have used it N0), so him using the ability on dd means he was decently confident of dd being maf. Hm, in that case i dont really know what to make of it really and its actually the most likely scenario... Wit the options for dd being town and maf to explore.
Dd has been really aggressive with pushing specific lynches, even after he got to his goal of selfpreservation for the round. And he really needs to make it more clear when he's calling of the dogs, I still havent found where he actually stated anything contrary to espithel being the one and only logical lynch so long as people follow through (until after he was directly questioned about it). I think focussing too much on one person for lynch target is likely bad for town in the long run as fewer people are actually forced to talk that way. For mafia getting town to lynch town is obv good.
Thoughts?
Post by: Mobian on May 28, 2019, 07:55:27 pm
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
The more I think about my earlier theory, the more sense it makes. Also, ian seems to just rub me the wrong way.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 28, 2019, 08:09:54 pm
Dd has been really aggressive with pushing specific lynches, even after he got to his goal of selfpreservation for the round.
My goal of self-preservation had to last until the very end of d1, by necessity.
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And he really needs to make it more clear when he's calling of the dogs, I still havent found where he actually stated anything contrary to espithel being the one and only logical lynch so long as people follow through (until after he was directly questioned about it).
[1] (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289616/#msg1289616) Less than three hours after my initial post about Espi/MW, a post expressing comfort lynching shock.
[2] (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289622/#msg1289622) An hour later, after a discussion with shock in chat, a post saying we shouldn't lynch shock, my preference is still Espi, but asking for alternatives.
[3] (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289639/#msg1289639) An hour later, still preferring Espi, but expressing a willingness to change vote to anyone other than shock.
[4] (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289652/#msg1289652) Less than an hour later, a statement that I would change my vote to my biggest scumread, which was not Espi, and note that in this post I defended Espi
[5] (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289666/#msg1289666) Two hours later, expressed reluctance to no-lynch, but not outright defiance.
Did I ever explicitly 'call off the dogs' on Espi? Maybe not. Did I think I had to? Absolutely not.
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Here's one, about I think focussing too much on one person for lynch target is likely bad for town in the long run as fewer people are actually forced to talk that way. For mafia getting town to lynch town is obv good.
My initial focus on Espi also indicated multiple times that I considered MW a viable option as well.
My stance then shifted to feeling comfortable lynching anyone but shock.
My self-preservation push on jcj was fueled by input from others about which potential target to choose from.
In both rounds, I expressed a willingness to lynch you if that's something people considered a good option.
I think there are multiple people in this game who have focused more on people than I have. Like the 'orchestrating' buzzword, I think this is off the mark.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 08:40:42 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2019, 09:39:10 pm
[10:09:50] ‹shockcannon› ian is 100% maf
I just want to comment that if ian ends up being civ this game, the log loss (http://wiki.fast.ai/index.php/Log_Loss) of shock's predictions becomes infinite, basically meaning that he's so incorrect that human measures of classification performance are incapable of describing how unreliable he is. Just something to think about in future mafias - that one of the people you're playing with is an infinitely unreliable teammate.
I'll respect your doubt. Let's play a game. We never lynch ian and see if town wins.
Post by: shockcannon on May 28, 2019, 09:42:36 pm
I made a typo, every time I said mafia in the same sentence as ian I really meant town. You're just looking like mafia or town noobs by voting him up. Ian has told us he has a very important role and he would be willing to die just to spite me if his role wasn't so important. Also mind flayer keeps blocking him every night because mind flayer is probably mafia and knows ian has a powerful role because ian publicly told everyone he has a powerful role. I'm mind flayer. :)
Post by: MasterWalks on May 28, 2019, 09:45:20 pm
Post by: RootRanger on May 28, 2019, 10:20:46 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 29, 2019, 02:17:54 am
[07:54:52] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› At night
[07:55:04] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I don’t think we cud
[07:55:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[07:56:28] ‹Guest-Armagio-0dbfb› FINE SOUNDS GOOD!
[07:57:49] ‹Wyand›
[07:59:29] ‹MyNameIsJoey› well evans you call that traditional but ive never heard of a twilight phase.
[07:59:44] ‹ddevans96› https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tw...
[08:00:45] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Feels completely wrong to me.
[08:00:54] ‹MyNameIsJoey› though i understand why you'd want it in some setups
[08:18:18] ‹Wyand›
[08:22:23] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[08:36:48] ‹Linkcat› I didn't ask rob to play because there were already a lot of people signed up.
[08:37:08] ‹ddevans96› I was planning on it anyways
[08:37:16] ‹ddevans96› just spaced my mind
[08:39:44] ‹ddevans96› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› what makes it feel wrong?
[08:42:52] ‹Linkcat› I got talking during night into the rule a long time ago because there were no rules against talking in chat or sending PM during the night. In games with PMs banned I never tried to remove it since I like the game more this way.
[08:43:34] ‹Linkcat› Twilight does look weird to me.
[08:44:19] ‹ddevans96› I think it adds way more strategy, personally
[08:48:10] ‹Linkcat› Which one?
[08:48:21] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I bet root thinks I’m mafia otyugh
[08:50:22] ‹Wyand›
[08:51:13] ‹Linkcat›
[08:58:16] ‹Wyand› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› shock?
[08:58:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[08:59:23] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Shock?
[09:00:01] ‹Wyand› thought you are shockcannon
[09:00:27] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I don’t know who shockcannon is
[09:00:57] ‹Wyand› no big deal, just a noob :silly:
[09:01:25] ‹MasterWalks› :o
[09:02:20] ‹Wyand› ‹@MasterWalks› lol
[09:10:28] ‹Wyand›
[09:19:54] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-28 16:48:10] ‹Linkcat› Which one? < all of them
[09:20:06] ‹ddevans96› it's not twilight itself that raises the strategy, it's the hammer
[09:25:38] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[09:25:56] ‹MasterWalks›
[09:30:40] ‹Wyand›
[09:44:07] ‹Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96›
[09:44:35] ‹Linkcat› Oh, the hammer. I agree, but you don't need Twilight to do that, never even heard of it before.
[09:54:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:14:59] ‹ddevans96› Twilight just happens inherently with a hammer
[10:18:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:31:51] ‹MasterWalks›
[10:50:06] ‹Calindu›
[10:52:03] ‹MasterWalks› i wonder if mathman will agree to speedbuilding 12 lives
[10:52:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:54:45] ‹ddevans96› he probably would, or at least short notice
[10:54:57] ‹ddevans96› if he's not terribly busy lately
[11:00:46] ‹MasterWalks› should be fun.
[11:13:51] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[11:21:11] ‹MasterWalks› @Linkcat
[11:21:37] ‹MasterWalks› Whats your read on kaempf after his response? Still getting scum?
[11:26:37] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If IW blocked Oty on dd
[11:26:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This is some next level bus
[11:26:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› IW mafia, "therefore Oty can't be mafia"
[11:27:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Turns out the three of them were mafia the whole time
[11:27:07] ‹ddevans96› yeet
[11:28:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That being said, mafia Oty targeting an already dying player is weird
[11:28:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ^That meaning, a player with a ton of suspicion around them
[11:29:00] ‹MasterWalks› The only way he wouldve known it would block oty is if oty is mafia too. I personally dont think this is the case
[11:29:39] ‹MasterWalks› i think he guarded dd due to sus and foolishly role revealed thinking he would be mistaken for dragonfly, a less scummy role.
[11:29:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But then you're looking at 2 town using extremely aggressive roles against the same person who isn't even confirmed mafia
[11:30:22] ‹ddevans96› unless the oty isn't town
[11:30:24] ‹MasterWalks› No but that 2 agressive roles on someone who is has been getting quite a few votes since day 1
[11:30:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But why would mafia Oty target a player who is about to die
[11:31:06] ‹ddevans96› I mean...no guarantee I'm getting lynching this round
[11:31:15] ‹ddevans96› lynched*
[11:31:19] ‹MasterWalks› in case he dodges death like the last day lynch
[11:31:23] ‹ddevans96› and certainly no guarantee of that before the day started
[11:31:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› As MW said, you've been getting a lot of votes
[11:31:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why would mafia target you as Oty
[11:31:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's like an extra NK
[11:32:05] ‹MasterWalks› I really dont like this oty person
[11:32:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Unless mafia Oty thought they were getting lynched
[11:32:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But again
[11:32:14] ‹MasterWalks› more sketch than dd and insig
[11:32:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why dd
[11:32:29] ‹ddevans96› bc 'everyone is voting on me' - it would be easy for a mafia Oty to act as if they were a town Oty
[11:32:40] ‹ddevans96› i.e. 'we all thought he was suspicious, now we have information to lynch someone else'
[11:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› well i mean oty wouldve had to target the night before. Meaning they would have no idea how todays lynch would go
[11:33:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, but I evaded the lynch d1
[11:33:05] ‹ddevans96› would still apply
[11:33:32] ‹MasterWalks› but a NK can change things drastically.
[11:33:33] ‹ddevans96› also, you know what would be REALLY funny
[11:33:42] ‹ddevans96› what if IW is FE
[11:33:46] ‹MasterWalks› either this oty is nub or mafia
[11:33:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It makes more sense for them to save it for LyLo
[11:34:03] ‹MasterWalks› LyLo?
[11:34:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If they were mafia
[11:34:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lynch or Lose
[11:34:10] ‹ddevans96› lynch or lose
[11:34:16] ‹ddevans96› i.e. if you don't lynch mafia, the game is over
[11:34:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› They use it the night of, and claim victory
[11:34:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This forces an unknown LyLo the day before
[11:34:44] ‹ddevans96› there's also MyLo, mislynch and lose - if you lynch a town you die, but if you no lynch the next round is LyLo
[11:34:58] ‹MasterWalks› even if i was oty and was pretty safe, i would still probably use it on the most sus person
[11:35:01] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, the safe play for mafia Oty would be to save it for endgame
[11:35:13] ‹MasterWalks› dunno if thats dd at the moment tho
[11:35:27] ‹ddevans96› but killing me earl - wait a second
[11:35:34] ‹ddevans96› who's more suspicious than me right now?
[11:35:37] ‹ddevans96› in your eyes
[11:35:48] ‹MasterWalks› Espithel.
[11:36:04] ‹ddevans96› okay, fair
[11:36:29] ‹ddevans96› thought you meant in the game as a whole, not in your eyes
[11:36:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This situation makes no sense
[07:55:04] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I don’t think we cud
[07:55:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[07:56:28] ‹Guest-Armagio-0dbfb› FINE SOUNDS GOOD!
[07:57:49] ‹Wyand›
[07:59:29] ‹MyNameIsJoey› well evans you call that traditional but ive never heard of a twilight phase.
[07:59:44] ‹ddevans96› https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tw...
[08:00:45] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Feels completely wrong to me.
[08:00:54] ‹MyNameIsJoey› though i understand why you'd want it in some setups
[08:18:18] ‹Wyand›
[08:22:23] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[08:36:48] ‹Linkcat› I didn't ask rob to play because there were already a lot of people signed up.
[08:37:08] ‹ddevans96› I was planning on it anyways
[08:37:16] ‹ddevans96› just spaced my mind
[08:39:44] ‹ddevans96› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› what makes it feel wrong?
[08:42:52] ‹Linkcat› I got talking during night into the rule a long time ago because there were no rules against talking in chat or sending PM during the night. In games with PMs banned I never tried to remove it since I like the game more this way.
[08:43:34] ‹Linkcat› Twilight does look weird to me.
[08:44:19] ‹ddevans96› I think it adds way more strategy, personally
[08:48:10] ‹Linkcat› Which one?
[08:48:21] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I bet root thinks I’m mafia otyugh
[08:50:22] ‹Wyand›
[08:51:13] ‹Linkcat›
[08:58:16] ‹Wyand› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› shock?
[08:58:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[08:59:23] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Shock?
[09:00:01] ‹Wyand› thought you are shockcannon
[09:00:27] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I don’t know who shockcannon is
[09:00:57] ‹Wyand› no big deal, just a noob :silly:
[09:01:25] ‹MasterWalks› :o
[09:02:20] ‹Wyand› ‹@MasterWalks› lol
[09:10:28] ‹Wyand›
[09:19:54] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-28 16:48:10] ‹Linkcat› Which one? < all of them
[09:20:06] ‹ddevans96› it's not twilight itself that raises the strategy, it's the hammer
[09:25:38] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[09:25:56] ‹MasterWalks›
[09:30:40] ‹Wyand›
[09:44:07] ‹Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96›
[09:44:35] ‹Linkcat› Oh, the hammer. I agree, but you don't need Twilight to do that, never even heard of it before.
[09:54:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:14:59] ‹ddevans96› Twilight just happens inherently with a hammer
[10:18:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:31:51] ‹MasterWalks›
[10:50:06] ‹Calindu›
[10:52:03] ‹MasterWalks› i wonder if mathman will agree to speedbuilding 12 lives
[10:52:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:54:45] ‹ddevans96› he probably would, or at least short notice
[10:54:57] ‹ddevans96› if he's not terribly busy lately
[11:00:46] ‹MasterWalks› should be fun.
[11:13:51] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[11:21:11] ‹MasterWalks› @Linkcat
[11:21:37] ‹MasterWalks› Whats your read on kaempf after his response? Still getting scum?
[11:26:37] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If IW blocked Oty on dd
[11:26:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This is some next level bus
[11:26:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› IW mafia, "therefore Oty can't be mafia"
[11:27:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Turns out the three of them were mafia the whole time
[11:27:07] ‹ddevans96› yeet
[11:28:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That being said, mafia Oty targeting an already dying player is weird
[11:28:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ^That meaning, a player with a ton of suspicion around them
[11:29:00] ‹MasterWalks› The only way he wouldve known it would block oty is if oty is mafia too. I personally dont think this is the case
[11:29:39] ‹MasterWalks› i think he guarded dd due to sus and foolishly role revealed thinking he would be mistaken for dragonfly, a less scummy role.
[11:29:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But then you're looking at 2 town using extremely aggressive roles against the same person who isn't even confirmed mafia
[11:30:22] ‹ddevans96› unless the oty isn't town
[11:30:24] ‹MasterWalks› No but that 2 agressive roles on someone who is has been getting quite a few votes since day 1
[11:30:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But why would mafia Oty target a player who is about to die
[11:31:06] ‹ddevans96› I mean...no guarantee I'm getting lynching this round
[11:31:15] ‹ddevans96› lynched*
[11:31:19] ‹MasterWalks› in case he dodges death like the last day lynch
[11:31:23] ‹ddevans96› and certainly no guarantee of that before the day started
[11:31:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› As MW said, you've been getting a lot of votes
[11:31:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why would mafia target you as Oty
[11:31:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's like an extra NK
[11:32:05] ‹MasterWalks› I really dont like this oty person
[11:32:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Unless mafia Oty thought they were getting lynched
[11:32:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But again
[11:32:14] ‹MasterWalks› more sketch than dd and insig
[11:32:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why dd
[11:32:29] ‹ddevans96› bc 'everyone is voting on me' - it would be easy for a mafia Oty to act as if they were a town Oty
[11:32:40] ‹ddevans96› i.e. 'we all thought he was suspicious, now we have information to lynch someone else'
[11:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› well i mean oty wouldve had to target the night before. Meaning they would have no idea how todays lynch would go
[11:33:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, but I evaded the lynch d1
[11:33:05] ‹ddevans96› would still apply
[11:33:32] ‹MasterWalks› but a NK can change things drastically.
[11:33:33] ‹ddevans96› also, you know what would be REALLY funny
[11:33:42] ‹ddevans96› what if IW is FE
[11:33:46] ‹MasterWalks› either this oty is nub or mafia
[11:33:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It makes more sense for them to save it for LyLo
[11:34:03] ‹MasterWalks› LyLo?
[11:34:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If they were mafia
[11:34:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lynch or Lose
[11:34:10] ‹ddevans96› lynch or lose
[11:34:16] ‹ddevans96› i.e. if you don't lynch mafia, the game is over
[11:34:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› They use it the night of, and claim victory
[11:34:32] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This forces an unknown LyLo the day before
[11:34:44] ‹ddevans96› there's also MyLo, mislynch and lose - if you lynch a town you die, but if you no lynch the next round is LyLo
[11:34:58] ‹MasterWalks› even if i was oty and was pretty safe, i would still probably use it on the most sus person
[11:35:01] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, the safe play for mafia Oty would be to save it for endgame
[11:35:13] ‹MasterWalks› dunno if thats dd at the moment tho
[11:35:27] ‹ddevans96› but killing me earl - wait a second
[11:35:34] ‹ddevans96› who's more suspicious than me right now?
[11:35:37] ‹ddevans96› in your eyes
[11:35:48] ‹MasterWalks› Espithel.
[11:36:04] ‹ddevans96› okay, fair
[11:36:29] ‹ddevans96› thought you meant in the game as a whole, not in your eyes
[11:36:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This situation makes no sense
(Somewhat tl;dr)
The Oty situation makes no sense
Situation A - dd town
1. Mafia Oty - why would they use it on someone who is about to get lynched? Much better to save for LyLo (Lynch or lose)
2. Town Oty/Town IW - Why would 2 people, both with hyperaggressive roles, both target the same person who only "looks scummy"?
3. Unknown Fate Egg - Rolls FFQ N0, uses it on someone, who then catches it N1. Rolls Oty N1, uses it to kill dd.
3a. Town Fate Egg - Feels like he needs to use it, so uses it on the person he deems most scummy at the time. Somewhat makes sense.
3b. Mafia Fate Egg - Attempts to kill someone who he doesn't think will be protected. But still a weird choice to vote for.
4. Town Oty/Mafia IW - Fears dd's ability for some reason, despite him not using it N0. Makes little sense but included it for completion
Situation B - dd mafia
1. Mafia Oty/Mafia IW - Super specific. Requires a lot of risk to make this play work well for them, but isn't unspeakable. This situation makes dd look town, especially if he is at the forefront of the IW vote. Oty also looks somewhat town/irrelevant to the situation, or even looks town based off voting patterns and the above statement that Oty should save ability.
2. Mafia Fate Egg/Mafia IW - Related to the above situation, but Oty is no longer an OU ability that they should save, and they can create this situation to make """Otyugh""" look town.
3. Town OtyEgg/Mafia IW - Lucky protection, makes little sense.
4. Town OtyEgg/Town IW - See Situation A Town/Town
5. Mafia OtyEgg/Town IW - MASSIVELY risky play, but makes Oty look super town. They got unlucky with IW protecting dd.
No idea what the most likely scenario here is, wouldn't mind hearing more input
Post by: Ginyu on May 29, 2019, 02:18:36 am
As for, dd/Insig, lets look at the possibilities:
- Insig is town: Only makes sense to target dd when he consideres him scummy, because a town dd would likely be left alone by mafia as he was on the lynch radar the day before. If dd is mafia, blocking him might target a potential mafia roleblocker, since we still don't know what happened to ian and mafia is most likely to have targeted him. That is, unless he ran into a Graboid, Seraph or Immortal.
- Insig is mafia: As dd caught a firefly N0, it is rather unlikely (yet not impossible) he has a power role. As such, blocking him would only be useful to get information - but what exactly? Warden only reveals abilities used, but no names, so learning that a Golden Nymph targeted him would reveal she was blocked N0, which could then be whoever Insig targeted N0. That would be extremely terrible, and we will see if that happened during the next Night Phase, unless they only block her to keep this possibility unconfirmed. This requires a lot of luck and Golden Nymph targeting dd, however. I don't really see any other solid information, but I guess every little bit counts, as in which abilities are present in the game, for example.
- Both are mafia: Seems unlikely to me, since lynching one of them still doesn't relieve pressure from the other; dd with all the claims of orchestrating (although I agree he was mostly just defending himself) and Insig with a weird ability usage would still be up for debate. Not the greatest bus, and Insig wasn't a big lynch target before. They might have went on with their little feud to look consistent, but that seems quite risky to me.
The Oty is probably a town reading into dd as scum, because mafia outing themself so early is something I highly doubt. It might be connected with some kind of bus, but I can't really pull that together. The other possibility is a hatched Oty, which makes the most sense to me, but still leaves the Egg as a town. If that Oty/Egg was mafia, they would likely think of them being the next lynch target and therefore use their ability as long as they can, but eating dd reveals way too much information and kills someone already about to get lynched, so they would rather eat someone silent imo.
Overall, I feel like exactly one of them is mafia, but I can't really tell who. Insig's reveal does hold something weird, so I am more inclined to think of him.
Post by: mathman101 on May 29, 2019, 02:23:23 am
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
8+ pages of reading is too much for one sitting, I'm gonna just vote and pretend I read stuffs. :P
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 02:35:29 am
Post by: Ginyu on May 29, 2019, 02:36:14 am
What happens if iridium warden guards another iridium warden?
"If two roleblocking roles with the same priority target each other, both abilities fail. If only one targets the other, the ability of the one that was targeted fails."
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 03:01:43 am
On day 3 we will have 3 nights worth of ability information to work off of. I know people are really against role claiming but I think we need at least 3-4 of us to role claim and share everything we did truthfully on day 3. I would prefer is town steps out of their comfort zone and reveals early. If we let mafia reveal they could lie and could control the flow of the game. Preferably everyone would just reveal and then we could work out who exactly is lying. Having all the info out on the table makes it harder for mafia to come up with believable lies.
Now, as to why revealing is good. Revealing gives us information to deduce who is targeting who, which is pretty much the only way outside of GN that we can find mafia. Obviously, revealing lets mafia figure out the power roles sooner and kill them off early, but guess what, they have to kill off like 9-10 of us before they win. The earlier we all reveal the longer we have to use that information. If we can't at least kill off 1 mafia in 5 day/night cycles we really don't deserve to win anyways. The more mafia we kill, the more time it buys us. Who cares if mafia knows some roles, we have all the time in the world to find them. I get that losing GN would pretty much mean we have 0 concrete evidence, but I'm hoping GN would find at least 1 mafia by day 3. I think even if a few of us reveal on day 3, GN would still have a pretty solid shot at living to investigate at least 1 more person.
I also think we have enough info from voting during the day to narrow down mafia to groups of people. For example, I don't think it'll be too hard to find two people where 1 of them is almost definitely mafia and the other isn't. We kill one and we either get lucky or we know the other is mafia.
Anyways, on to an example of why I would like to reveal day 3. Ian claims he was blocked N1 and caught a firefly. Assuming this info is actually fact, that means mind flayer blocked ian and no one else targeted ian except firefly. If firefly were to confirm or deny this, we would gain a lot of info. Because if we find out ian is lying that implies a lot of new things. He could be town trying to keep mafia from checking him. He could be mafia trying to throw suspicion off himself. Who knows? But that knowledge that ian was lying offers us a lot of concrete evidence that we can then try to match up with his actions in voting. If we can confirm from firefly queen that ian is telling the truth, we know that a mind flayer is consecutively blocking ian. That tells us a lot as well. If we think the mind flayer is mafia and the psion finds mind flayer, well guess what, we just found ourselves a mafia.
Basically, I really truly believe some role revealing (personally I think a lot of role revealing is even better) is more helpful to town than it is to mafia.
AS A RESULT,
I will be revealing my actual role on day 3. In doing so, I may end up revealing things about other players, either directly or indirectly. I will also post theories I have gathered to coincide with my role and what I've seen in the posts and votes so far. If you think I'm about to throw for town, I would encourage you to actually considering sharing your info instead, especially after you read what I have to say. If the right people coordinate with me on day 3 I'm like 99% confident we can pinpoint 2 mafia right there and then, without having to rely on my reads (which some might consider unreliable).
If mafia or otyugh wants to eat me before I can info dump, so be it. It will definitely make for an interesting game. If mafia kills me the question becomes, did they kill me because they knew that I knew who they were? Or did they kill me because the people I have accused are town, and mafia killing me will likely lead to town lynching those I accused, effectively allowing mafia to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. I foresaw this latter possibility way before, and the way I chose to counter it was by simply being right in my accusations. If ian really is mafia, then I essentially checkmated them. Either they keep me alive and I offer my evidence to get doubtful townies to join me, or they kill me and risk everyone lynching ian because I was so adamant about him being mafia.
P.S. If I sound crazy and like a mafia-helping towny, don't blame me. I speedbuilt this post. Also, replace mafia with townie whenever I'm talking about ian.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 03:07:58 am
Which roles would you like revealed? FFQ, Mindflayer, and what else?
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 03:26:29 am
ALSO, I just wanted to add something else that may be considered a little to spicy.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY think Golden Nymph should reveal the moment they know the identities of 3 other ALIVE players, even if these players are all town. This reveal would offer everyone with 4 confirmed primary roles since golden nymph is revealing themselves. Having 4 confirmed primary roles gives town the upperhand for AT LEAST that day. We can use this to make a real play in voting. Confirmed players could then role reveal and share info that we can use to retroactively spot mafia through unusual voting patterns in the past or find out if one of them straight up lied at some point.
If you think about it, we are likely to lose a player almost every night and day. And since GN is EOR, the odds of GN having useful info actually DROPS the longer the game goes on because it's highly likely that GN targets will just end up dying. For GN to have 3 confirmed alive players, that would take 5 straight night phases with none of the GN targets dying. That's actually a pretty long time. As a result, I think it's 100% reasonable and smart to have GN reveal whenever they manage to get 3 alive and confirmed players.
I know we decided on waiting for 2 confirmed mafia, but I think 3 confirmed townies is almost (obviously not quite) as valuable and it's not worth risking losing GN without getting any info at all.
KEEP IN MIND, GN can't leave breadcrumbs with votes if they are only finding town. Knowing confirmed town is WAY better than knowing nothing and gambling on GN hitting the right person while not getting role blocked or killed.
One other thing to keep in mind, GN can't go through invulnerable without momentum and we don't know what roles are in play and which factions control those roles. From a purely odds standpoint, the longer this game goes, the greater the chance that something goes wrong related to the GN.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 03:32:08 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 03:34:24 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 04:01:55 am
I think ONLY 4 roles reveal, and only specific ones.
Psion- Who you targeted and if we should be wary of any of their roles. You dont have to reveal their roles tho
Otyugh- explain why you targeted dd. If psion outs you and you dont explain, expect to be lynched.
Phoenix- You can cover while other roles do work. You can still talk. I really hope this is a person who hasnt talked much so far.
GN- Lets be real, you are probably going to be able to only target 2 people while you live. Reveal your targets and their primary role. Mafia or not.
If psion is town, i request that if we have another GA, they protect psion.
Otyugh, you better be good with words, this will not be that pretty for you, and it will be much much worse if you are discovered without claiming.
GN, expect to die asap after revealing.
If someone claims one of these roles, and you also have it, you should claim too. Town can deduce if there are multiple or only one and decide which one to trust.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 04:03:12 am
I would like to add to this plan.EBWOP
I think ONLY 4 roles reveal, and only specific ones.
Psion- Who you targeted and if we should be wary of any of their roles. You dont have to reveal their identities tho if it wouldnt help.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 04:18:03 am
I missed a couple early posts that may have drastic consequences on my read. For those concerned about what my current reads appear to be, I'm reevaluating ddevans and ian to explore the small chance they are both town.
To be clear - are you saying you suspect it is very unlikely that we are both town, and so it is very likely at least one of us is mafia? Or are you saying you suspect is very unlikely either of us is town, and so it is very likely that we are both mafia?
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 04:19:43 am
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2019, 06:25:08 am
I suggest we wait for today's lynch before this whole roleclaim thing, which I am really not too sure about. It didnt help at all last game and I suspect a similar result
Also, shock realized he cant read people so now he is going for this roleclaim madness again. From 100% mafia to 100% town. I am awaiting the next flip.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 29, 2019, 12:55:42 pm
[2019-05-29 11:37:07] ddevans96: if it's mafia Oty, they went for a risky play
[2019-05-29 11:37:15] ddevans96: dick-on-table play, honestly
[2019-05-29 11:37:34] ddevans96: I'd respect it if that were the case
[2019-05-29 11:37:35] dawn_to_dusk: And then you have Mafia Fate Egg
[2019-05-29 11:37:48] ddevans96: I hope it's IW Egg
[2019-05-29 11:37:53] ddevans96: regardless of whether he's mafia or not
[2019-05-29 11:37:56] MasterWalks: in the game as a whole, before this day, yea i might say you. Only for O R C H ES T R A T I N G tho
[2019-05-29 11:38:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Hi fans of good card games from asdw152 in Introduce Yourself. Yes! Finally!
[2019-05-29 11:38:09] MasterWalks: actually, fate egg oty makes sense
[2019-05-29 11:38:20] dawn_to_dusk: Also got FFQ N0
[2019-05-29 11:38:25] MasterWalks: IW got fate egg last game
[2019-05-29 11:38:26] dawn_to_dusk: Targeted someone who used their ability
[2019-05-29 11:38:34] MasterWalks: i understand he could roll again tho
[2019-05-29 11:38:39] dawn_to_dusk: Who then caught the FF N1
[2019-05-29 11:38:57] dawn_to_dusk: Either ian or the other person who I can't remember
[2019-05-29 11:39:04] MasterWalks: i caught one
[2019-05-29 11:39:27] InsignificantWeeaboo: e g g
[2019-05-29 11:39:33] ddevans96: ugh, I need to build decks for 12 Lives, but I just don't feel like it
[2019-05-29 11:39:35] ddevans96: E G G M A N
[2019-05-29 11:39:47] dawn_to_dusk: Ahhh
[2019-05-29 11:40:07] dawn_to_dusk: So if you used ability N0 then I'm happy with saying that Oty was Town Egg who voted dd D1
[2019-05-29 11:40:27] dawn_to_dusk: Though I want to see how many people catch Fireflies N2
[2019-05-29 11:40:45] ddevans96: same
[2019-05-29 11:41:17] MasterWalks: I think we need to stop revealing firefly catches
[2019-05-29 11:42:10] MasterWalks: Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
[2019-05-29 11:42:19] MasterWalks: these are the people who voted DD night 1
[2019-05-29 11:42:22] MasterWalks: day1*
[2019-05-29 11:42:40] dawn_to_dusk: Insig claims Warden, obviously
[2019-05-29 11:42:44] MasterWalks: oh and mobian
[2019-05-29 11:43:41] MasterWalks: I dont think ian would, since he caught firefly, if he not lying. Linkcat? maybe possibly. Cal? i dunno cal well enough.
[2019-05-29 11:44:03] MasterWalks: I doubt mobian did. He wants to play super duper passively
[2019-05-29 11:44:28] dawn_to_dusk: Ian claims an important role
[2019-05-29 11:44:41] dawn_to_dusk: So either mafia Oty (which as we've said, makes no sense)
[2019-05-29 11:44:53] MasterWalks: an important role he hasnt used yet
[2019-05-29 11:45:02] dawn_to_dusk: Mafia Fate Egg (Which doesn't make much sense either)
[2019-05-29 11:45:09] MasterWalks: if hes psion or GN he wouldve used it
[2019-05-29 11:45:13] dawn_to_dusk: Or irrelevant to this situation
[2019-05-29 11:45:33] ddevans96: it could also be someone who didn't vote for me - or finish with their vote on me, to be clear
[2019-05-29 11:45:53] ddevans96: bc they could have been 'meh' on me, but when I survived the lynch and jcj flipped town, it aroused their suspicions
[2019-05-29 11:46:06] MasterWalks: ian is starting to sketch me now that i type it out.
[2019-05-29 11:46:28] ddevans96: I wouldn't narrow Oty to just the people who voted for me, is basically what I'm saying
[2019-05-29 11:46:34] dawn_to_dusk: Didn't you hear
[2019-05-29 11:46:44] dawn_to_dusk: Shock mistyped every time he said Ian and Mafia in the same sentence
[2019-05-29 11:47:09] ddevans96: shockcannon, more like loosecannon
[2019-05-29 11:47:14] ddevans96: goteem
[2019-05-29 11:47:34] ddevans96: anyways - I think we learn more about iancu from shock's info dump
[2019-05-29 11:47:36] MasterWalks: Ok hear me out
[2019-05-29 11:47:42] MasterWalks: Espithel is oty
[2019-05-29 11:47:51] ddevans96: bc that's his most consistent thing (I feel like his last post is a meme tbh)
[2019-05-29 11:48:07] ddevans96: when we learn whether or not shock has anything going for him, we learn more about iancu
[2019-05-29 11:48:09] MasterWalks: Wait nvm
[2019-05-29 11:48:18] ddevans96: no, keep going
[2019-05-29 11:48:23] ddevans96: even if it's bunk I'm curious
[2019-05-29 11:48:55] MasterWalks: its bunk because that would mean he was blocked, which he said he was not.
[2019-05-29 11:48:59] dawn_to_dusk: Btw I don't think Kaempf is town atm
[2019-05-29 11:49:08] ddevans96: oh, fair
[2019-05-29 11:49:10] MasterWalks: I guess he could lie, but dunno why lying about that would help
[2019-05-29 11:49:33] dawn_to_dusk: Sorry Link
[2019-05-29 11:50:25] MasterWalks: What makes you think kaempf is maf?
[2019-05-29 11:50:25] ddevans96: wait, you do or don't think kaempfer is town?
[2019-05-29 11:50:28] shockcannon: you mean mafia?
[2019-05-29 11:50:34] ddevans96: bc Link wants kaempfer lynched
[2019-05-29 11:51:11] dawn_to_dusk: Oh mb
[2019-05-29 11:51:14] dawn_to_dusk: I mean't do
[2019-05-29 11:51:16] dawn_to_dusk: Meant
[2019-05-29 11:51:19] dawn_to_dusk: Whatever
[2019-05-29 11:51:23] dawn_to_dusk: Kaempf is town in my eyes
[2019-05-29 11:51:25] ddevans96: oh aight
[2019-05-29 11:51:50] MasterWalks: what role could shock have that would let him info dump day3?
[2019-05-29 11:51:53] MasterWalks: FFQ?
[2019-05-29 11:52:27] MasterWalks: GN?
[2019-05-29 11:52:29] shockcannon: my role doesn't matter for half of the info dump
[2019-05-29 11:52:36] MasterWalks: He could target 3 people in that time with GN
[2019-05-29 11:52:39] dawn_to_dusk: Flayer obv
[2019-05-29 11:52:51] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Only thing you need is good maf skills
[2019-05-29 11:52:58] dawn_to_dusk: GN is EoR
[2019-05-29 11:53:05] shockcannon: yeah i'm flayer
[2019-05-29 11:53:07] ddevans96: shock just thinks he's way ahead of everyone else
[2019-05-29 11:53:09] shockcannon: said it like 3 times
[2019-05-29 11:53:11] dawn_to_dusk: So 2 people
[2019-05-29 11:53:34] dawn_to_dusk: Lets lynch ian and see how valid Shock's info is before he releases it
[2019-05-29 11:53:37] dawn_to_dusk: Lul
[2019-05-29 11:53:44] MasterWalks: wait, they nerfed GN hard this game then
[2019-05-29 11:53:50] ddevans96: I mean I'd be down
[2019-05-29 11:53:55] ddevans96: it'd be hilarious either way
[2019-05-29 11:53:57] dawn_to_dusk: It was the same as last game
[2019-05-29 11:53:57] MasterWalks: No protect and only EoR lol.
[2019-05-29 11:54:26] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› last game was ER
[2019-05-29 11:54:50] MasterWalks: oh wow, didnt realize its EoR both games
[2019-05-29 11:54:59] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Nope
[2019-05-29 11:55:09] dawn_to_dusk: EoR, can't be protected
[2019-05-29 11:55:10] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› blame Walker
[2019-05-29 11:55:13] dawn_to_dusk: Same as this game
[2019-05-29 11:55:52] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Me? Walks*
[2019-05-29 11:56:10] dawn_to_dusk: Texas Ranger
[2019-05-29 11:56:30] MasterWalks: its Walks for a reason. Not Walker, i aint no old person stand up wheelchair
[2019-05-29 11:56:53] dawn_to_dusk: You don't want to be Chuck Norris?
[2019-05-29 11:57:17] MasterWalks: B O W F L E X
[2019-05-29 11:57:33] MasterWalks: gtg, be back later. Someone post log
[2019-05-29 11:57:38] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@MasterWalks› walks X master = walker
[2019-05-29 11:57:56] Vineroz: malks
[2019-05-29 11:58:13] dawn_to_dusk: I'm posting log pt1
[2019-05-29 11:58:20] dawn_to_dusk: Along with thoughts
[2019-05-29 11:58:24] dawn_to_dusk: Log pt2 is boring
[2019-05-29 11:37:15] ddevans96: dick-on-table play, honestly
[2019-05-29 11:37:34] ddevans96: I'd respect it if that were the case
[2019-05-29 11:37:35] dawn_to_dusk: And then you have Mafia Fate Egg
[2019-05-29 11:37:48] ddevans96: I hope it's IW Egg
[2019-05-29 11:37:53] ddevans96: regardless of whether he's mafia or not
[2019-05-29 11:37:56] MasterWalks: in the game as a whole, before this day, yea i might say you. Only for O R C H ES T R A T I N G tho
[2019-05-29 11:38:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Hi fans of good card games from asdw152 in Introduce Yourself. Yes! Finally!
[2019-05-29 11:38:09] MasterWalks: actually, fate egg oty makes sense
[2019-05-29 11:38:20] dawn_to_dusk: Also got FFQ N0
[2019-05-29 11:38:25] MasterWalks: IW got fate egg last game
[2019-05-29 11:38:26] dawn_to_dusk: Targeted someone who used their ability
[2019-05-29 11:38:34] MasterWalks: i understand he could roll again tho
[2019-05-29 11:38:39] dawn_to_dusk: Who then caught the FF N1
[2019-05-29 11:38:57] dawn_to_dusk: Either ian or the other person who I can't remember
[2019-05-29 11:39:04] MasterWalks: i caught one
[2019-05-29 11:39:27] InsignificantWeeaboo: e g g
[2019-05-29 11:39:33] ddevans96: ugh, I need to build decks for 12 Lives, but I just don't feel like it
[2019-05-29 11:39:35] ddevans96: E G G M A N
[2019-05-29 11:39:47] dawn_to_dusk: Ahhh
[2019-05-29 11:40:07] dawn_to_dusk: So if you used ability N0 then I'm happy with saying that Oty was Town Egg who voted dd D1
[2019-05-29 11:40:27] dawn_to_dusk: Though I want to see how many people catch Fireflies N2
[2019-05-29 11:40:45] ddevans96: same
[2019-05-29 11:41:17] MasterWalks: I think we need to stop revealing firefly catches
[2019-05-29 11:42:10] MasterWalks: Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
[2019-05-29 11:42:19] MasterWalks: these are the people who voted DD night 1
[2019-05-29 11:42:22] MasterWalks: day1*
[2019-05-29 11:42:40] dawn_to_dusk: Insig claims Warden, obviously
[2019-05-29 11:42:44] MasterWalks: oh and mobian
[2019-05-29 11:43:41] MasterWalks: I dont think ian would, since he caught firefly, if he not lying. Linkcat? maybe possibly. Cal? i dunno cal well enough.
[2019-05-29 11:44:03] MasterWalks: I doubt mobian did. He wants to play super duper passively
[2019-05-29 11:44:28] dawn_to_dusk: Ian claims an important role
[2019-05-29 11:44:41] dawn_to_dusk: So either mafia Oty (which as we've said, makes no sense)
[2019-05-29 11:44:53] MasterWalks: an important role he hasnt used yet
[2019-05-29 11:45:02] dawn_to_dusk: Mafia Fate Egg (Which doesn't make much sense either)
[2019-05-29 11:45:09] MasterWalks: if hes psion or GN he wouldve used it
[2019-05-29 11:45:13] dawn_to_dusk: Or irrelevant to this situation
[2019-05-29 11:45:33] ddevans96: it could also be someone who didn't vote for me - or finish with their vote on me, to be clear
[2019-05-29 11:45:53] ddevans96: bc they could have been 'meh' on me, but when I survived the lynch and jcj flipped town, it aroused their suspicions
[2019-05-29 11:46:06] MasterWalks: ian is starting to sketch me now that i type it out.
[2019-05-29 11:46:28] ddevans96: I wouldn't narrow Oty to just the people who voted for me, is basically what I'm saying
[2019-05-29 11:46:34] dawn_to_dusk: Didn't you hear
[2019-05-29 11:46:44] dawn_to_dusk: Shock mistyped every time he said Ian and Mafia in the same sentence
[2019-05-29 11:47:09] ddevans96: shockcannon, more like loosecannon
[2019-05-29 11:47:14] ddevans96: goteem
[2019-05-29 11:47:34] ddevans96: anyways - I think we learn more about iancu from shock's info dump
[2019-05-29 11:47:36] MasterWalks: Ok hear me out
[2019-05-29 11:47:42] MasterWalks: Espithel is oty
[2019-05-29 11:47:51] ddevans96: bc that's his most consistent thing (I feel like his last post is a meme tbh)
[2019-05-29 11:48:07] ddevans96: when we learn whether or not shock has anything going for him, we learn more about iancu
[2019-05-29 11:48:09] MasterWalks: Wait nvm
[2019-05-29 11:48:18] ddevans96: no, keep going
[2019-05-29 11:48:23] ddevans96: even if it's bunk I'm curious
[2019-05-29 11:48:55] MasterWalks: its bunk because that would mean he was blocked, which he said he was not.
[2019-05-29 11:48:59] dawn_to_dusk: Btw I don't think Kaempf is town atm
[2019-05-29 11:49:08] ddevans96: oh, fair
[2019-05-29 11:49:10] MasterWalks: I guess he could lie, but dunno why lying about that would help
[2019-05-29 11:49:33] dawn_to_dusk: Sorry Link
[2019-05-29 11:50:25] MasterWalks: What makes you think kaempf is maf?
[2019-05-29 11:50:25] ddevans96: wait, you do or don't think kaempfer is town?
[2019-05-29 11:50:28] shockcannon: you mean mafia?
[2019-05-29 11:50:34] ddevans96: bc Link wants kaempfer lynched
[2019-05-29 11:51:11] dawn_to_dusk: Oh mb
[2019-05-29 11:51:14] dawn_to_dusk: I mean't do
[2019-05-29 11:51:16] dawn_to_dusk: Meant
[2019-05-29 11:51:19] dawn_to_dusk: Whatever
[2019-05-29 11:51:23] dawn_to_dusk: Kaempf is town in my eyes
[2019-05-29 11:51:25] ddevans96: oh aight
[2019-05-29 11:51:50] MasterWalks: what role could shock have that would let him info dump day3?
[2019-05-29 11:51:53] MasterWalks: FFQ?
[2019-05-29 11:52:27] MasterWalks: GN?
[2019-05-29 11:52:29] shockcannon: my role doesn't matter for half of the info dump
[2019-05-29 11:52:36] MasterWalks: He could target 3 people in that time with GN
[2019-05-29 11:52:39] dawn_to_dusk: Flayer obv
[2019-05-29 11:52:51] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Only thing you need is good maf skills
[2019-05-29 11:52:58] dawn_to_dusk: GN is EoR
[2019-05-29 11:53:05] shockcannon: yeah i'm flayer
[2019-05-29 11:53:07] ddevans96: shock just thinks he's way ahead of everyone else
[2019-05-29 11:53:09] shockcannon: said it like 3 times
[2019-05-29 11:53:11] dawn_to_dusk: So 2 people
[2019-05-29 11:53:34] dawn_to_dusk: Lets lynch ian and see how valid Shock's info is before he releases it
[2019-05-29 11:53:37] dawn_to_dusk: Lul
[2019-05-29 11:53:44] MasterWalks: wait, they nerfed GN hard this game then
[2019-05-29 11:53:50] ddevans96: I mean I'd be down
[2019-05-29 11:53:55] ddevans96: it'd be hilarious either way
[2019-05-29 11:53:57] dawn_to_dusk: It was the same as last game
[2019-05-29 11:53:57] MasterWalks: No protect and only EoR lol.
[2019-05-29 11:54:26] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› last game was ER
[2019-05-29 11:54:50] MasterWalks: oh wow, didnt realize its EoR both games
[2019-05-29 11:54:59] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Nope
[2019-05-29 11:55:09] dawn_to_dusk: EoR, can't be protected
[2019-05-29 11:55:10] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› blame Walker
[2019-05-29 11:55:13] dawn_to_dusk: Same as this game
[2019-05-29 11:55:52] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Me? Walks*
[2019-05-29 11:56:10] dawn_to_dusk: Texas Ranger
[2019-05-29 11:56:30] MasterWalks: its Walks for a reason. Not Walker, i aint no old person stand up wheelchair
[2019-05-29 11:56:53] dawn_to_dusk: You don't want to be Chuck Norris?
[2019-05-29 11:57:17] MasterWalks: B O W F L E X
[2019-05-29 11:57:33] MasterWalks: gtg, be back later. Someone post log
[2019-05-29 11:57:38] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@MasterWalks› walks X master = walker
[2019-05-29 11:57:56] Vineroz: malks
[2019-05-29 11:58:13] dawn_to_dusk: I'm posting log pt1
[2019-05-29 11:58:20] dawn_to_dusk: Along with thoughts
[2019-05-29 11:58:24] dawn_to_dusk: Log pt2 is boring
Follow ons from earlier, bringing actual people into the mix
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 29, 2019, 12:56:36 pm
[2019-05-29 11:58:34] shockcannon: honestly does anyone even read these logs
[2019-05-29 11:58:35] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Are you
[2019-05-29 11:58:54] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: What name are you using for log
[2019-05-29 11:58:57] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: base*
[2019-05-29 11:58:59] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Not name
[2019-05-29 11:59:37] dawn_to_dusk: I like tl;drs for them
[2019-05-29 11:59:55] shockcannon: if ddevans doesn't die today he's mafia
[2019-05-29 12:00:19] shockcannon: hot take
[2019-05-29 12:00:22] shockcannon: only townies in chat right now
[2019-05-29 12:01:40] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: I’m not a townie
[2019-05-29 12:02:12] dawn_to_dusk: Vine is a total scum read
[2019-05-29 12:02:37] dawn_to_dusk: I'll post all chat logs btw don't worry
[2019-05-29 12:02:37] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 7 + 6 + 3 + 7 + 5 = 28 ...
[2019-05-29 12:03:01] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› btw whenever you type down, type dawn instead
[2019-05-29 12:07:24] dawn_to_dusk: Oh no
[2019-05-29 12:07:47] dawn_to_dusk: Lets get dawn to basics
[2019-05-29 12:07:48] dawn_to_dusk: I hate this
[2019-05-29 12:08:33] ddevans96: [2019-05-28 19:59:55] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans doesn't die today he's mafia < so let's say I'm mafia, and the other mafia helped me live last night
[2019-05-29 12:09:25] ddevans96: what's the smart amount they should be helping me now?
[2019-05-29 12:09:58] ddevans96: bc if I live today, get lynched tomorrow, and I flip mafia, any mafia who voted on my self-pres target immediately comes under suspicion
[2019-05-29 12:10:34] ddevans96: those sentences are trainwrecks, I'm hangry, but you should get the jist
[2019-05-29 12:10:45] ddevans96: would be dumb for mafia to go all-in on saving me two days in a row
[2019-05-29 12:11:10] ddevans96: smart play for mafia tonight, if I was mafia, would be to just let me die, and have me throw as much chaos as possible on the way out
[2019-05-29 12:12:49] ddevans96: the only exception to that is if I have a role that's valuable to mafia. do you think that's the case
[2019-05-29 12:12:51] ddevans96: ?*
[2019-05-29 12:13:19] shockcannon: there's a lot of possibilities
[2019-05-29 12:13:43] ddevans96: do I have a role so valuable to mafia that my team would keep me alive at all costs, even to the point of setting themselves up for great scrutiny later in the game?
[2019-05-29 12:13:48] ddevans96: sure, but how many are likely?
[2019-05-29 12:15:26] ddevans96: 'if dd doesn't die today, he's mafia' is missing a 'because'
[2019-05-29 12:16:11] shockcannon: ok
[2019-05-29 12:16:16] shockcannon: I'm doing some thinking
[2019-05-29 12:16:23] shockcannon: there's basically two possible sets of mafia
[2019-05-29 12:16:47] ddevans96: SIGNS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE DISCOVERED
[2019-05-29 12:16:48] shockcannon: I'm checking my bases because while I think one option is like 90% correct, i'm not going to ignore the 10% that it's incorrect
[2019-05-29 12:16:52] ddevans96: [ALARM]
[2019-05-29 12:17:11] shockcannon: regardless
[2019-05-29 12:17:16] shockcannon: if ian turns out to be town
[2019-05-29 12:17:27] shockcannon: then I still know who at least 2 mafia are
[2019-05-29 12:17:37] shockcannon: so it works out regardless
[2019-05-29 12:17:55] ddevans96: [ALARM CONTINUES]
[2019-05-29 12:18:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. There is no spit in this post!
[2019-05-29 12:20:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Ginyu in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[2019-05-29 12:20:33] dawn_to_dusk: Lmao Gin
[2019-05-29 12:21:17] ddevans96: if nothing else, it bears noting that you both submitted a pretty extensive analysis of the situation close to each other
[2019-05-29 12:21:45] ddevans96: means people are coming to similar conclusions
[2019-05-29 12:23:42] Vineroz: yikes
[2019-05-29 12:24:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from mathman101 in Forum Games. Also, you look like you need some coffee.
[2019-05-29 12:24:53] dawn_to_dusk: I feel like Fate Egg Otyugh is most likely, but then you're playing with probabilities
[2019-05-29 12:25:16] Ginyu: You always play with probabilities in mafia.
[2019-05-29 12:25:17] shockcannon: Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101 iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
[2019-05-29 12:25:25] shockcannon: this greatly intrigues me
[2019-05-29 12:25:44] ddevans96: [ALARM INTENSIFIES]
[2019-05-29 12:26:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from mathman101 in Off-Topic Discussions. You got 30 minutes.
[2019-05-29 12:27:07] ddevans96: I have to go out for a bit. someone else maintain the alarm while I'm gone
[2019-05-29 12:30:32] shockcannon: i almost had an epiphany
[2019-05-29 12:30:36] shockcannon: but logic shot down that theory
[2019-05-29 12:31:13] shockcannon: I keep looking for ways that ian can be town
[2019-05-29 12:31:18] shockcannon: and I can't find it\
[2019-05-29 12:32:34] MasterWalks: what is it that make you soooo sure he is maf
[2019-05-29 12:32:42] MasterWalks: are you GN/
[2019-05-29 12:33:26] shockcannon: well it's possible ian is town
[2019-05-29 12:33:36] shockcannon: but i'm quite certain he's lying about being blocked
[2019-05-29 12:35:14] MasterWalks: which means he is lying about the FireFly
[2019-05-29 12:36:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[2019-05-29 12:36:06] shockcannon: if he's not then firefly should come out
[2019-05-29 12:37:03] MasterWalks: its not like it would be a huge mafia target to kill ffq. although they killed seraph so who knows what they are thinking
[2019-05-29 12:37:19] MasterWalks: im inclined to believe mafia does not have a good intel role
[2019-05-29 12:37:41] shockcannon: i'm inclined to believe they do
[2019-05-29 12:37:57] MasterWalks: so the Oa kill was a front?
[2019-05-29 12:38:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Ginyu in Forum Games. Did somebody mention this post already?
[2019-05-29 12:40:19] shockcannon: we really need like 3 people to roleclaim and say what they did
[2019-05-29 12:40:31] shockcannon: if that happens things will become much much easier
[2019-05-29 12:41:32] MasterWalks: well obv but that helps maf way too much
[2019-05-29 12:42:58] shockcannon: alright
[2019-05-29 12:43:00] shockcannon: i'm making a post
[2019-05-29 12:43:03] shockcannon: its going to be a little long
[2019-05-29 12:43:12] MasterWalks: info dump post?
[2019-05-29 12:43:30] dawn_to_dusk: Right now might not be the best time for info claim, but next day phase could be nice
[2019-05-29 12:43:42] MasterWalks: no
[2019-05-29 12:43:45] MasterWalks: let him do it
[2019-05-29 12:44:00] MasterWalks: i dont think he really has all that concrete of info
[2019-05-29 12:47:00] dawn_to_dusk: I mean claims from like, FFQ and stuff
[2019-05-29 12:47:52] MasterWalks: I think ffq wouldnt be all that bad. I hope he reveals this scum oty
[2019-05-29 12:48:24] MasterWalks: as long as he doesnt claim GN, Psion, or vulture we should be aight
[2019-05-29 12:49:44] shockcannon: this isn't my info dump
[2019-05-29 12:57:28] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 6 + 5 + 2 + 6 + 6 = 25 ...
[2019-05-29 13:01:49] shockcannon: posted
[2019-05-29 13:02:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[2019-05-29 13:06:22] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› can i use "i speedbuilt this post" as my signature?
[2019-05-29 13:08:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Every single time, someone has to go and say something like this.
[2019-05-29 13:08:34] shockcannon: idc
[2019-05-29 13:08:34] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@shockcannon› You're aware that GN is EoR, and can't be protected, right?
[2019-05-29 13:08:45] shockcannon: yep
[2019-05-29 13:08:54] dawn_to_dusk: So can't use ability N3, and couldn't N1 either
[2019-05-29 13:08:55] dawn_to_dusk: Alright
[2019-05-29 13:09:28] shockcannon: assuming GN isn't blocked GN should have 2 known primary roles by day 3
[2019-05-29 13:09:31] MasterWalks: I dont see GN living past N3 tbh
[2019-05-29 13:09:40] shockcannon: also assuming we lynch every day and mafia kills every night
[2019-05-29 13:09:46] shockcannon: 2 people die every time GN can find 1 person
[2019-05-29 13:09:56] shockcannon: the odds of GN having useful info goes down as time goes on
[2019-05-29 13:10:28] shockcannon: so I have no problem at all with role revealing next day phase
[2019-05-29 13:10:34] shockcannon: even if that puts GN at greater risk
[2019-05-29 13:11:20] shockcannon: the issue is if GN doesn't adapt gameplay after that point
[2019-05-29 13:11:21] MasterWalks: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96› Pick is post apart
[2019-05-29 13:11:31] shockcannon: and just stays silent and hopes not to die
[2019-05-29 13:11:55] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› Wait, so you want GN to roleclaim D3 and die N3?
[2019-05-29 13:12:09] shockcannon: no
[2019-05-29 13:12:13] MasterWalks: because that will be mafia's sole target if Gn reveals
[2019-05-29 13:12:15] shockcannon: but i wouldn't be opposed to it either
[2019-05-29 13:12:19] shockcannon: imo
[2019-05-29 13:12:34] shockcannon: if GN ever knows the identity of 3 other alive players they should reveal no matter what
[2019-05-29 13:12:39] shockcannon: with themselves
[2019-05-29 13:12:44] shockcannon: that would instantly confirm 4 people
[2019-05-29 13:12:51] shockcannon: we should be able to win off that
[2019-05-29 13:13:00] MasterWalks: You want GN to name drop townies too?
[2019-05-29 13:13:06] MasterWalks: thats a terrible idea
[2019-05-29 13:13:09] shockcannon: yes
[2019-05-29 13:13:13] shockcannon: no its not
[2019-05-29 13:13:17] shockcannon: mafia already knows all the townies
[2019-05-29 13:13:22] shockcannon: we need townies to know the townies
[2019-05-29 13:13:31] shockcannon: i'm actually going to post that
[2019-05-29 13:14:37] MasterWalks: is my math wrong or if GN reveals their targets next day, they will only have 2 targeted people? Since GN is EoR i guess
[2019-05-29 13:15:59] shockcannon: i think GN should probably wait until day 5
[2019-05-29 13:16:13] shockcannon: assuming all their targets remained alive on day 5
[2019-05-29 13:16:24] MasterWalks: I still dont think they will survive past N3.
[2019-05-29 13:16:43] MasterWalks: If Psion reveals Oty, then that will be some good info
[2019-05-29 11:58:35] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Are you
[2019-05-29 11:58:54] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: What name are you using for log
[2019-05-29 11:58:57] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: base*
[2019-05-29 11:58:59] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: Not name
[2019-05-29 11:59:37] dawn_to_dusk: I like tl;drs for them
[2019-05-29 11:59:55] shockcannon: if ddevans doesn't die today he's mafia
[2019-05-29 12:00:19] shockcannon: hot take
[2019-05-29 12:00:22] shockcannon: only townies in chat right now
[2019-05-29 12:01:40] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: I’m not a townie
[2019-05-29 12:02:12] dawn_to_dusk: Vine is a total scum read
[2019-05-29 12:02:37] dawn_to_dusk: I'll post all chat logs btw don't worry
[2019-05-29 12:02:37] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 7 + 6 + 3 + 7 + 5 = 28 ...
[2019-05-29 12:03:01] Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1: ‹@dawn_to_dusk› btw whenever you type down, type dawn instead
[2019-05-29 12:07:24] dawn_to_dusk: Oh no
[2019-05-29 12:07:47] dawn_to_dusk: Lets get dawn to basics
[2019-05-29 12:07:48] dawn_to_dusk: I hate this
[2019-05-29 12:08:33] ddevans96: [2019-05-28 19:59:55] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans doesn't die today he's mafia < so let's say I'm mafia, and the other mafia helped me live last night
[2019-05-29 12:09:25] ddevans96: what's the smart amount they should be helping me now?
[2019-05-29 12:09:58] ddevans96: bc if I live today, get lynched tomorrow, and I flip mafia, any mafia who voted on my self-pres target immediately comes under suspicion
[2019-05-29 12:10:34] ddevans96: those sentences are trainwrecks, I'm hangry, but you should get the jist
[2019-05-29 12:10:45] ddevans96: would be dumb for mafia to go all-in on saving me two days in a row
[2019-05-29 12:11:10] ddevans96: smart play for mafia tonight, if I was mafia, would be to just let me die, and have me throw as much chaos as possible on the way out
[2019-05-29 12:12:49] ddevans96: the only exception to that is if I have a role that's valuable to mafia. do you think that's the case
[2019-05-29 12:12:51] ddevans96: ?*
[2019-05-29 12:13:19] shockcannon: there's a lot of possibilities
[2019-05-29 12:13:43] ddevans96: do I have a role so valuable to mafia that my team would keep me alive at all costs, even to the point of setting themselves up for great scrutiny later in the game?
[2019-05-29 12:13:48] ddevans96: sure, but how many are likely?
[2019-05-29 12:15:26] ddevans96: 'if dd doesn't die today, he's mafia' is missing a 'because'
[2019-05-29 12:16:11] shockcannon: ok
[2019-05-29 12:16:16] shockcannon: I'm doing some thinking
[2019-05-29 12:16:23] shockcannon: there's basically two possible sets of mafia
[2019-05-29 12:16:47] ddevans96: SIGNS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE DISCOVERED
[2019-05-29 12:16:48] shockcannon: I'm checking my bases because while I think one option is like 90% correct, i'm not going to ignore the 10% that it's incorrect
[2019-05-29 12:16:52] ddevans96: [ALARM]
[2019-05-29 12:17:11] shockcannon: regardless
[2019-05-29 12:17:16] shockcannon: if ian turns out to be town
[2019-05-29 12:17:27] shockcannon: then I still know who at least 2 mafia are
[2019-05-29 12:17:37] shockcannon: so it works out regardless
[2019-05-29 12:17:55] ddevans96: [ALARM CONTINUES]
[2019-05-29 12:18:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. There is no spit in this post!
[2019-05-29 12:20:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Ginyu in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[2019-05-29 12:20:33] dawn_to_dusk: Lmao Gin
[2019-05-29 12:21:17] ddevans96: if nothing else, it bears noting that you both submitted a pretty extensive analysis of the situation close to each other
[2019-05-29 12:21:45] ddevans96: means people are coming to similar conclusions
[2019-05-29 12:23:42] Vineroz: yikes
[2019-05-29 12:24:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from mathman101 in Forum Games. Also, you look like you need some coffee.
[2019-05-29 12:24:53] dawn_to_dusk: I feel like Fate Egg Otyugh is most likely, but then you're playing with probabilities
[2019-05-29 12:25:16] Ginyu: You always play with probabilities in mafia.
[2019-05-29 12:25:17] shockcannon: Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101 iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
[2019-05-29 12:25:25] shockcannon: this greatly intrigues me
[2019-05-29 12:25:44] ddevans96: [ALARM INTENSIFIES]
[2019-05-29 12:26:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Polls for Mafia 71 from mathman101 in Off-Topic Discussions. You got 30 minutes.
[2019-05-29 12:27:07] ddevans96: I have to go out for a bit. someone else maintain the alarm while I'm gone
[2019-05-29 12:30:32] shockcannon: i almost had an epiphany
[2019-05-29 12:30:36] shockcannon: but logic shot down that theory
[2019-05-29 12:31:13] shockcannon: I keep looking for ways that ian can be town
[2019-05-29 12:31:18] shockcannon: and I can't find it\
[2019-05-29 12:32:34] MasterWalks: what is it that make you soooo sure he is maf
[2019-05-29 12:32:42] MasterWalks: are you GN/
[2019-05-29 12:33:26] shockcannon: well it's possible ian is town
[2019-05-29 12:33:36] shockcannon: but i'm quite certain he's lying about being blocked
[2019-05-29 12:35:14] MasterWalks: which means he is lying about the FireFly
[2019-05-29 12:36:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[2019-05-29 12:36:06] shockcannon: if he's not then firefly should come out
[2019-05-29 12:37:03] MasterWalks: its not like it would be a huge mafia target to kill ffq. although they killed seraph so who knows what they are thinking
[2019-05-29 12:37:19] MasterWalks: im inclined to believe mafia does not have a good intel role
[2019-05-29 12:37:41] shockcannon: i'm inclined to believe they do
[2019-05-29 12:37:57] MasterWalks: so the Oa kill was a front?
[2019-05-29 12:38:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Ginyu in Forum Games. Did somebody mention this post already?
[2019-05-29 12:40:19] shockcannon: we really need like 3 people to roleclaim and say what they did
[2019-05-29 12:40:31] shockcannon: if that happens things will become much much easier
[2019-05-29 12:41:32] MasterWalks: well obv but that helps maf way too much
[2019-05-29 12:42:58] shockcannon: alright
[2019-05-29 12:43:00] shockcannon: i'm making a post
[2019-05-29 12:43:03] shockcannon: its going to be a little long
[2019-05-29 12:43:12] MasterWalks: info dump post?
[2019-05-29 12:43:30] dawn_to_dusk: Right now might not be the best time for info claim, but next day phase could be nice
[2019-05-29 12:43:42] MasterWalks: no
[2019-05-29 12:43:45] MasterWalks: let him do it
[2019-05-29 12:44:00] MasterWalks: i dont think he really has all that concrete of info
[2019-05-29 12:47:00] dawn_to_dusk: I mean claims from like, FFQ and stuff
[2019-05-29 12:47:52] MasterWalks: I think ffq wouldnt be all that bad. I hope he reveals this scum oty
[2019-05-29 12:48:24] MasterWalks: as long as he doesnt claim GN, Psion, or vulture we should be aight
[2019-05-29 12:49:44] shockcannon: this isn't my info dump
[2019-05-29 12:57:28] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 6 + 5 + 2 + 6 + 6 = 25 ...
[2019-05-29 13:01:49] shockcannon: posted
[2019-05-29 13:02:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[2019-05-29 13:06:22] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› can i use "i speedbuilt this post" as my signature?
[2019-05-29 13:08:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Every single time, someone has to go and say something like this.
[2019-05-29 13:08:34] shockcannon: idc
[2019-05-29 13:08:34] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@shockcannon› You're aware that GN is EoR, and can't be protected, right?
[2019-05-29 13:08:45] shockcannon: yep
[2019-05-29 13:08:54] dawn_to_dusk: So can't use ability N3, and couldn't N1 either
[2019-05-29 13:08:55] dawn_to_dusk: Alright
[2019-05-29 13:09:28] shockcannon: assuming GN isn't blocked GN should have 2 known primary roles by day 3
[2019-05-29 13:09:31] MasterWalks: I dont see GN living past N3 tbh
[2019-05-29 13:09:40] shockcannon: also assuming we lynch every day and mafia kills every night
[2019-05-29 13:09:46] shockcannon: 2 people die every time GN can find 1 person
[2019-05-29 13:09:56] shockcannon: the odds of GN having useful info goes down as time goes on
[2019-05-29 13:10:28] shockcannon: so I have no problem at all with role revealing next day phase
[2019-05-29 13:10:34] shockcannon: even if that puts GN at greater risk
[2019-05-29 13:11:20] shockcannon: the issue is if GN doesn't adapt gameplay after that point
[2019-05-29 13:11:21] MasterWalks: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@ddevans96› Pick is post apart
[2019-05-29 13:11:31] shockcannon: and just stays silent and hopes not to die
[2019-05-29 13:11:55] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› Wait, so you want GN to roleclaim D3 and die N3?
[2019-05-29 13:12:09] shockcannon: no
[2019-05-29 13:12:13] MasterWalks: because that will be mafia's sole target if Gn reveals
[2019-05-29 13:12:15] shockcannon: but i wouldn't be opposed to it either
[2019-05-29 13:12:19] shockcannon: imo
[2019-05-29 13:12:34] shockcannon: if GN ever knows the identity of 3 other alive players they should reveal no matter what
[2019-05-29 13:12:39] shockcannon: with themselves
[2019-05-29 13:12:44] shockcannon: that would instantly confirm 4 people
[2019-05-29 13:12:51] shockcannon: we should be able to win off that
[2019-05-29 13:13:00] MasterWalks: You want GN to name drop townies too?
[2019-05-29 13:13:06] MasterWalks: thats a terrible idea
[2019-05-29 13:13:09] shockcannon: yes
[2019-05-29 13:13:13] shockcannon: no its not
[2019-05-29 13:13:17] shockcannon: mafia already knows all the townies
[2019-05-29 13:13:22] shockcannon: we need townies to know the townies
[2019-05-29 13:13:31] shockcannon: i'm actually going to post that
[2019-05-29 13:14:37] MasterWalks: is my math wrong or if GN reveals their targets next day, they will only have 2 targeted people? Since GN is EoR i guess
[2019-05-29 13:15:59] shockcannon: i think GN should probably wait until day 5
[2019-05-29 13:16:13] shockcannon: assuming all their targets remained alive on day 5
[2019-05-29 13:16:24] MasterWalks: I still dont think they will survive past N3.
[2019-05-29 13:16:43] MasterWalks: If Psion reveals Oty, then that will be some good info
I like breaking these into bite-sized segments
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2019, 01:13:42 pm
QuoteMove to kaempfer with me if you're town, dd.Hold on I can play this game too
Move to [insert personal scumread here] with me if you're town, Link
Not a game, it's just phrasing I picked up from Mafia Universe.
This talk of orchestrating is silly. The only way to orchestrate a lynch is through the use of PMs, so with PMs banned it would have to be a mafia telling his team to vote right after them, which is an insanely bad play. Anything else is just pushing a lynch like normal. Of course dd is going to push a lynch on whoever he can Day 1, he's trying not to die. He happened to get some steam on his scumread today, but he'll take anyone if they end up with more votes than him. That's how you're supposed to play.
[10:27:52] ‹MasterWalks› hes going to cherry pick everyone's comments about him and dissect them until they are irrelevant like he has been doing.
This is also what you're supposed to do. It's called engaging with points.
Mafia will prioritize Warding information roles, so they really don't have much reason to Ward dd.
[11:21:11] ‹MasterWalks› @Linkcat
[11:21:37] ‹MasterWalks› Whats your read on kaempf after his response? Still getting scum?
His response isn't relevant to my read.
I agree GN should claim if they get three living checks.
Otyugh makes sense as Fate Egg town, Fate Egg mafia, or Otyugh town.
As for shock's plan, revealing is a terrible idea. The more information the mafia has, the easier it is for them to control the game. Public information does not help town as much as you think it does. We'd basically be handing over the game on a silver platter.
Since apparently nobody wants to help me lynch my actual scumread, I'll have to put my vote on my neutral read dd to protect my town read Insig.
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 05:44:46 pm
Regardless, I don't think I can O R C H E S T R A T E my survival another night, so here's a checklist:
1) Pressure shock immediately. I supported his gambit thinking he might be GN - mafia has zero reason to NK the village idiot, so that's actually phenomenal cover, and a few little things lined up. Given the nature of his plan, I'm beginning to think otherwise. Could still be town Psion, but I have a neutral read now and he's probably outlived his usefulness.
2) Speaking of shock's plan, I advise against it. If it's not obvious, my post last night wasn't serious.
3) Go through the thread and find every instance of someone saying 'one/two of X is mafia/town' - parse through those, find some common threads, and start lynching them. Additionally, add 'one of Link/MW/kae' to that pile. Additionally, pay attention to the people who voted for me in both rounds (whether that be final vote or otherwise) - that's also a pile you need to look at.
Just be aware that the person in the most of these piles could still be town. Line all of that information up with your current reads. You'll start getting somewhere.
4) Try not to lynch another person for playing like town should. If you don't understand how town should play, talk to Link or Root, and here's (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_Being_Awesome_At_Mafia#As_Town) a really neat guide for that (and everything else in this game).
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 05:58:12 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
May as well.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:02:19 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2019, 06:06:41 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
better than no lynch i think
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:08:03 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:12:47 pm
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:13:42 pm
Post by: moehrpi on May 29, 2019, 06:14:33 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
Insig is neutral but chaotic for me. dd is town lean with a lot of information attached to his lynch. But I'll give you an out.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:15:58 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
Sorry, Insig is definitely not dying today. If anyone has to go it's probably going to be ddevans.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:16:20 pm
I'm Anubis. I haven't used my ability yet.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 29, 2019, 06:17:18 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 29, 2019, 06:18:00 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2019, 06:19:08 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
Resetting the timer.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 29, 2019, 06:19:49 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
If it means I live, sure.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:20:59 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:21:22 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:22:13 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
Post by: moehrpi on May 29, 2019, 06:26:43 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: moehrpi on May 29, 2019, 06:27:11 pm
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:28:18 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2019, 06:30:47 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Resetting timer again.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:33:00 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:34:58 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:35:37 pm
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:36:11 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:38:39 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 06:41:08 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:43:03 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:44:44 pm
Guys, like 30% of the reason I think ian was mafia relied on ddevans. But if we really think ddevans is town, then ian might turn up something that we didn't want to see on the dead list.
You were hinting towards iancu being mafia long before there was any interaction between me and him.
This post is bunk.
Post by: moehrpi on May 29, 2019, 06:45:09 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:47:37 pm
I'm golden nymph. Ian is town.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 06:48:00 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2019, 06:48:36 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
I guess a reset is needed at this point.
Post by: RootRanger on May 29, 2019, 06:49:33 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 06:50:12 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Totally normal game here.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 06:51:24 pm
Alright, I didn't want to do this.
I'm golden nymph. Ian is town.
Yesterday i learned GN is EoR; so what night did you target him? If it was N0, youve been pushing for lynch on a town. If it was N1 your dumb and didnt use your ability on N0.
Post by: RootRanger on May 29, 2019, 06:52:45 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2019, 06:53:02 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Shock being GN doesn't make much sense at all.
Post by: Calindu on May 29, 2019, 06:55:29 pm
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Forgot to add my vote.
Post by: RootRanger on May 29, 2019, 06:57:42 pm
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2019, 07:03:24 pm
Night 2
iancudorinmarian died. He was an Elemental and an Otyugh.
IMPORTANT NOTES!
- DoubleCapitals will be the stand-in host for this Night phase. Because of this, send your ability uses to both me AND him.
- Do not forget that talking in chat and forum PMs is prohibited for everyone, except if you message the host or if you are a False God.
Day 2 has ended.
Post by: RootRanger on May 29, 2019, 07:09:36 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 29, 2019, 07:13:10 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 29, 2019, 07:28:16 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2019, 07:49:43 pm
Post by: Submachine on May 29, 2019, 07:57:24 pm
Note: Guest-MindFlayer is Submachine, Guest-MinorVampire is shock, Guest-Deathstalker is not playing.
[16:18:16] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Thanks.
[16:19:44] ‹schaj5› Should've destroyed more of your sundials
[16:20:18] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Yeah, that probably would have helped.
[16:20:25] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› anyways, searching for next
[16:24:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› gg
[16:25:09] ‹schaj5› Yeah I was pretty sure you wanted to throw weapons on me.
[16:27:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› searching for next
[16:27:59] ‹schaj5› So thank you. I have to go.
[16:28:09] ‹Wyand›
[16:28:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No problem, see you later
[16:32:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:10:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:11:02] ‹Submachine›
[17:32:11] ‹Calindu›
[17:34:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:50:28] ‹moehrpi› It's time for some end-of-day mafia drama.
[17:50:50] ‹moehrpi›
[17:50:50] ‹Mobian› Yay drama!
[17:51:17] ‹moehrpi› It's not looking good for you, Link. :S
[17:55:03] ‹Mobian› Link doesn't have any votes on him yet
[17:56:35] ‹Submachine› Who will be lynched - dd, Insig, or someone else? Take your bets! :sillyspin:
[18:02:42] ‹Mobian› What to do, what to do?
[18:03:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[18:26:39] ‹ARTHANASIOS› /ρολλ
[18:26:42] ‹ARTHANASIOS› roll
[18:26:45] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
[18:26:50] ‹ARTHANASIOS› troll!
[18:29:08] ‹ARTHANASIOS› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› 12 lives?
[18:29:17] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Sure
[18:29:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ready g1
[18:31:02] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[18:31:03] ‹ARTHANASIOS› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› searching
[18:31:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› When does mag day end
[18:35:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Mafia ends in 1h25.
[18:48:38] ‹Wyand›
[18:54:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:21:46] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:23:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Dang insig with full meta
[19:24:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Wouldn't call Time Rush meta...
[19:25:25] ‹Mobian› Shock, you got any last minute plays up your sleeve?
[19:26:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Isn’t arthas change invalid
[19:26:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Cause he didn’t win w air
[19:30:26] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› yup
[19:43:44] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› [19:41:18] moehrpi joined. [19:41:36] moehrpi joined. [19:41:48] moehrpi joined.
[19:43:51] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› That's some black magic right there.
[19:45:26] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[19:45:35] ‹ddevans96› this was shaping up to be one of my best town games ever
[19:46:29] ‹ddevans96› anyone that can be convinced to vote on IW?
[19:47:35] ‹ddevans96› moehrpi, kaempfer: neither of you have voted yet, there's still time to save me
[19:49:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:49:11] ‹ddevans96› Espithel too, your vote is neutral atm
[19:52:03] ‹moehrpi› I am not sure I want to. Your lynch obviously gives a lot of information but it's hard to tell if losing a role is worth it.
[19:52:21] ‹moehrpi› I'd be down to lynch coffe/math, though.
[19:52:56] ‹moehrpi› I didn't ask Sub about modkills so I don't know if it makes any sense to waste a lynch and not get any information.
[19:52:56] ‹ddevans96› I don't think we can swing a vote onto anyone but Mobian and iancu
[19:53:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› out of weeb and you id rather get you out of the way; people will tunnel on you every round and nothing else gets discussed
[19:53:19] ‹ddevans96› just ignore MW the way you ignore shock
[19:53:20] ‹ddevans96› tbh
[19:53:21] ‹moehrpi› I am fairly sure Mobian is town.
[19:53:27] ‹kaempfer13› unless someone confirms weeb lied about his role
[19:53:39] ‹ddevans96› yeah, so do I - I'm town lean for both him and iancu
[19:53:57] ‹ddevans96› so there's pretty much no way for me to live unless we kill IW
[19:54:04] ‹kaempfer13› mobian is actually my strongest townread rn, albeit hes playing it poorly
[19:54:06] ‹moehrpi› Your 'info dump' / advice let's me think you lean town, again.
[19:54:27] ‹ddevans96› it's just frustrating because this is the best early-game I've played as town in years, lol
[19:55:24] ‹moehrpi› I highly agree with kae's 'people will tunnel on you every round'.
[19:55:35] ‹ddevans96› just MW, really
[19:55:41] ‹ddevans96› and again - ignore him like you would shock
[19:55:59] ‹moehrpi› That's what I also mentioned when I said redirecting a lynch to a town GA always looks suspicious.
[19:56:26] ‹ddevans96› even if I was mafia, there's no way I could have known jcj was GA
[19:56:53] ‹moehrpi› iancu also claimed an important role? I tend to give people the benefit of a doubt..
[19:56:55] ‹ddevans96› unless we got Psion
[19:57:00] ‹kaempfer13› pms from teammates with rolereveal
[19:57:13] ‹moehrpi› I can't tell how much info insig can gather.
[19:57:14] ‹ddevans96› and even then - that only worked bc he already had votes on hi,m
[19:57:22] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’ll switch my vote off ddevans if ddevans votes for ian
[19:57:23] ‹ddevans96› what are the chances of all of that lining up?
[19:58:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Aaaaaaaa this is fun
[19:58:16] ‹ddevans96› done
[19:58:41] ‹ddevans96› someone else would have to vote on iancu, though
[19:58:46] ‹ddevans96› and he's a town lean for most people
[19:59:01] ‹ddevans96› otherwise it's tied
[19:59:12] ‹ddevans96› assuming you move your vote to him
[20:00:04] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› He played you :sillyspin:
[20:00:17] ‹ddevans96› I mean...no
[20:00:25] ‹ddevans96› it's my best chance to survive
[20:00:39] ‹ddevans96› and I only think iancu is town, I know I'm town - so that's always the play
[20:01:21] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I mean, he won’t change his vote :sillyspin:
[20:01:23] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› you have to vote like now to keep the timer alive
[20:01:36] ‹ddevans96› can you shut up? you aren't playing
[20:01:41] ‹ddevans96› seriously. just bystand. jfc
[20:02:27] ‹ddevans96› there's literally no reason for me NOT to do it
[20:03:10] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› merci <3
[20:03:25] ‹shockcannon› im personally hoping for no lynch
[20:03:26] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› I feel like the hecking reaper just by having this post ready, with dd's name and role typed in already...
[20:03:30] ‹shockcannon› lets see what happens
[20:04:08] ‹kaempfer13› given that i dont agree with no lynch ill vote dd out of those 2 before timer ends if needed
[20:04:21] ‹ddevans96› I'll take no lynch over lynching me, obviously
[20:04:37] ‹kaempfer13› nothing personal
[20:05:21] ‹ddevans96› you'll get lynched tomorrow, then - you'll be the vote that hammered a town
[20:05:31] ‹ddevans96› and you're already a lowkey popular lynch target
[20:06:21] ‹kaempfer13› going for no lynch speaks for being mafia/bad unless you know more
[20:06:40] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Test
[20:06:51] ‹ddevans96› I mean, I know I'm town, so for me, it's lynching a town over not lynching a town
[20:06:53] ‹ddevans96› pretty basic stuff
[20:07:04] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure about ian either, I'd rather lynch him than have a no lynch
[20:07:11] ‹ddevans96› please go for it
[20:07:16] ‹ddevans96› like now
[20:07:18] ‹ddevans96› before timer stops
[20:07:25] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Kaemp voted already
[20:07:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Another 5 mins
[20:07:32] ‹Calindu› Kae already voted on you though
[20:07:33] ‹ddevans96› oh nvm, kaempfer reset
[20:07:42] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[20:07:46] ‹ddevans96› such a huge mistake, honestly
[20:07:47] ‹kaempfer13› cal can make it a tie again i guess
[20:07:52] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› These votes are really cutting it close.
[20:08:02] ‹ddevans96› no, Cal would move the vote to iancu
[20:08:06] ‹ddevans96› bc his vote is currently on me
[20:08:22] ‹kaempfer13› this will be how it is every round dd is alive if things continue
[20:08:24] ‹ddevans96› so it comes down to who he's rather lynch
[20:08:24] ‹Calindu› I'm not even sure what to think anymore now, I believe both you and ian are mafia, the way I see it
[20:08:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock voted
[20:08:41] ‹kaempfer13› oh yh, so he can make the call
[20:09:07] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› no, it won't be
[20:09:08] ‹Calindu› Ok, I don't see any reason to lynch IW, so this is off the table now
[20:09:19] ‹ddevans96› 1) just start ignoring MW, seriously. he's shock lite
[20:09:37] ‹ddevans96› 2) if I was mafia, we'd be absolutely stupid to save me two nights in a row
[20:09:51] ‹ddevans96› everyone involved in saving me would come under extreme suspicion, and many of those would be mafia
[20:09:53] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:10:04] ‹ddevans96› if I'm mafia, the smart play is to let me die rn
[20:10:24] ‹ddevans96› you're just making excuses for MW's bad play if you lynch bc 'this will happen every round'
[20:10:46] ‹shockcannon› timers ticking
[20:11:16] ‹kaempfer13› yh, but since i dont know if y ou are mafia you could still be it
[20:11:33] ‹ddevans96› there is zero chance I'm mafia if I live today
[20:11:40] ‹Calindu› I don't want to lynch another absent person, this just blocks any information dump if they want to do it to save themselves
[20:11:46] ‹shockcannon› lol that's stupidly false
[20:11:50] ‹shockcannon› but ok
[20:12:02] ‹ddevans96› I literally detailed above
[20:12:09] ‹ddevans96› that would be the worst play mafia could make
[20:12:10] ‹ddevans96› bar none
[20:12:12] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Why did you revert to Insig?
[20:12:17] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› dude
[20:12:22] ‹shockcannon› i'm literally giving you a chance to live
[20:12:25] ‹shockcannon› you have like 30 seconds
[20:12:26] ‹kaempfer13› only espithel matches with your saving votes last round, so mafia not saving you this time confirmed
[20:12:36] ‹Wyand›
[20:13:07] ‹shockcannon›
[20:13:09] ‹kaempfer13› that does make it more likely you are mafia though
[20:13:33] ‹shockcannon› alright now that we have a timer reset
[20:13:45] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› i think you should role reveal before you die
[20:13:48] ‹shockcannon› may actually save you
[20:13:52] ‹ddevans96› if I'm about to die, sure
[20:13:56] ‹shockcannon› because I think you're going to die if you dont say anything
[20:14:03] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Time is up, but I am confused by that quote.
[20:14:06] ‹kaempfer13› yep give us everything you have
[20:14:09] ‹shockcannon› i dont think I can maintain this tie vote
[20:14:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s not up sub
[20:14:17] ‹ddevans96› time is...not up?
[20:14:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› SD just forgot numbers, another 5 mins
[20:14:19] ‹ddevans96› that's a vote
[20:14:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dd*
[20:14:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› He voted inside the quote.
[20:14:36] ‹kaempfer13› can i move my vote back and forth just to give you time for the reveal?
[20:14:47] ‹Calindu› Reveal and info dump, maybe someone can confirm
[20:14:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› you gotta give us something
[20:14:58] ‹shockcannon› either role
[20:14:59] ‹shockcannon› or something else
[20:15:03] ‹shockcannon› but people gonna lynch you
[20:15:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› FWIW, moe voted.
[20:15:07] ‹shockcannon› I dont think I can save you
[20:15:13] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› dd just quoted the last post? I can only give 1 extra minute.
[20:15:17] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› For a vote correction etc.
[20:15:27] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Deadline is hour:16.
[20:15:37] ‹ddevans96› it's not a vote correction
[20:15:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› he changed the vote from Ian to IW
[20:15:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Plus moe just voted
[20:15:45] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› So another reset.
[20:15:45] ‹ddevans96› and then moer voted
[20:16:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Oh, right.
[20:16:24] ‹kaempfer13› insig anything you can give us, you are about to die now
[20:16:28] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The numbers were not updated.
[20:16:31] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The timer goes on.
[20:16:36] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I clarified in the following post
[20:17:01] ‹ddevans96› I thought I had less time than I did, miscounted by a minute
[20:17:06] ‹kaempfer13› unfortunately role reveal isomething you already did
[20:17:20] ‹Calindu› Why wouldn't you protect yourself as Anubis?
[20:17:37] ‹ddevans96› because then I can't be targeted by -anything-
[20:17:48] ‹ddevans96› that includes investigative roles
[20:17:54] ‹ddevans96› it looks scummy to use early
[20:17:58] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› have a tab with an infodumbpost ready
[20:18:14] ‹ddevans96› I already gave my info dump, lol
[20:18:18] ‹ddevans96› unless you want detailed scumreads
[20:18:38] ‹Calindu› I'll reset the timer
[20:18:56] ‹ddevans96› for scumreads?
[20:18:57] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:18:59] ‹shockcannon› with that info
[20:19:02] ‹shockcannon› i think we go no lynch today
[20:19:05] ‹shockcannon› or lynch on ian
[20:19:20] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› role?
[20:19:30] ‹ddevans96› ANUBIS
[20:19:32] ‹ddevans96› READ THE THREAD
[20:19:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› immaterial me next night and I'll change vote
[20:19:49] ‹Calindu› I'd take lynching ian over a no lynch, but I still believe it might not be the best play
[20:19:49] ‹ddevans96› or read chat, since Cal said it
[20:20:16] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, I prefer iancu lynch to no lynch as well
[20:20:59] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Anyone who's voting me, I'll target a person of your choosing if you move your vote to literally anyone
[20:21:18] ‹shockcannon› i've taken a 180
[20:21:19] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Can't guarantee it will be next night, though
[20:21:27] ‹shockcannon› i think ian, ddevans, and insig may all be town
[20:21:28] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› my vote is off you
[20:21:34] ‹shockcannon› I don't think its worth lynching
[20:21:37] ‹ddevans96› it's now iancu 6, IW 4, me 3
[20:21:43] ‹MasterWalks› Yes or no dd
[20:21:51] ‹Calindu› With that Anubis claim I believe dd might be town as well
[20:21:55] ‹kaempfer13› ah that one was eaten by the votes so I didnt see
[20:22:03] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Can I trade vote for immortality? :silly:
[20:22:11] ‹Calindu› It makes sense, you would definitely target yourself as Anubis if you were mafia
[20:22:17] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@ddevans96› Ok. Who would you like me to block?
[20:22:18] ‹kaempfer13› damn no infodumb from iancu though
[20:22:25] ‹ddevans96› I'm not using this garbage ability on anyone unless I'm very sure they're town
[20:22:50] ‹shockcannon› we need iancu info
[20:22:54] ‹shockcannon› we can't lynch him blindly
[20:23:08] ‹shockcannon› seriously guys
[20:23:08] ‹Calindu› If any of the fireflies can confirm dd not using his ability N0, that would be great
[20:23:10] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Voting No Lynch is an option.
[20:23:11] ‹shockcannon› trust me on this one and go no lynch
[20:23:14] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› But time is ticking.
[20:23:24] ‹ddevans96› I already caught a Firefly n0
[20:23:27] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not like he can get on here and infodump in time though
[20:23:35] ‹MasterWalks› We should not no lynch
[20:24:03] ‹Calindu› Lynching ian is stupid, since he's absent, I don't want a repeat of D1 where JCJ couldn't even defend himself
[20:24:09] ‹Calindu› But no lynch is even worse
[20:24:12] ‹ddevans96› I have like 10 tabs of this game open, aaaaaa
[20:24:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Yeah, if someone can confirm that, that would be great
[20:24:47] ‹ddevans96› fair
[20:24:58] ‹kaempfer13› damn, we need ians info and insig is probably town so long as we dont have evidence of him lying
[20:25:29] ‹ddevans96› I don't think I can legally swap back to IW immediately
[20:25:34] ‹ddevans96› so I can vote Mobian to reset timer
[20:25:39] ‹ddevans96› or anyone else
[20:25:43] ‹shockcannon› has ian claimed anything
[20:25:52] ‹moehrpi› We could always let dd orchestrate a lynch on Root. :)
[20:26:01] ‹kaempfer13› not being able to do anything
[20:26:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› No, he just claimed he can gather info
[20:26:08] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Give him a conductor's rod
[20:26:12] ‹kaempfer13› is what he claimed
[20:26:15] ‹shockcannon› so info role?
[20:26:16] ‹ddevans96› O R C H E S T R A T E
[20:26:18] ‹shockcannon› did he really say that?
[20:26:21] ‹shockcannon› wait ddevans
[20:26:24] ‹Calindu› Resetting timer again
[20:26:26] ‹ddevans96› ye?
[20:26:30] ‹shockcannon› you didnt use it at all?
[20:26:32] ‹shockcannon› anubis?
[20:26:44] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu›
[20:26:44] ‹ddevans96› nope. we agreed it was scummy to use early game
[20:26:45] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu›
[20:26:50] ‹ddevans96› and I agree
[20:26:56] ‹shockcannon› GOSH DANG IT
[20:27:10] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› ?
[20:27:20] ‹shockcannon› i was trying to distract you
[20:27:24] ‹shockcannon› so timer didnt reset
[20:27:27] ‹shockcannon› but moehrpi
[20:27:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Should someone ping ian on Discord to infodump?
[20:27:38] ‹kaempfer13› is removing votes a thing or does it have to be moved?
[20:27:40] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› No lynch is not an option
[20:27:49] ‹shockcannon› it really is
[20:28:04] ‹moehrpi› Espi did remove earlier without voting 'no-lych' iirc.
[20:28:26] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Moe's EBWOP does not count as a timer reset.
[20:28:30] ‹shockcannon› lol wrong button
[20:28:31] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› But his original vote does.
[20:28:41] ‹ddevans96› pinged on discord
[20:29:02] ‹Calindu› I can reset timer again if needed
[20:29:02] ‹shockcannon› my post means nothing
[20:29:32] ‹MasterWalks› Wait, so are we extending to give Ian time to info dump?
[20:29:36] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› shock's post is also a repeat, so that didn't reset timer either
[20:29:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› This must be quite an even t for you.
[20:29:38] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Yeah
[20:29:41] ‹MasterWalks› I'm on mobile so kinda hard to follow
[20:29:53] ‹ddevans96› yeah
[20:29:55] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@moehrpi› It is an event alright.
[20:30:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:30:16] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:30:22] ‹shockcannon› nvm
[20:30:58] ‹Calindu› Timer reset
[20:32:14] ‹Calindu› Did ian respond?
[20:32:19] ‹ddevans96› what if shock wants us to NL bc he's mafia and one of his mates is up for the noose
[20:32:23] ‹ddevans96› not yet
[20:32:48] ‹kaempfer13› if someone claims insig lied i will vote for lynching him, otherwise i dunno what to do as ians infodumb would be important
[20:33:04] ‹ddevans96› reset vote
[20:33:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Didn't you guard iancu N1?
[20:33:24] ‹ddevans96› a bit early
[20:33:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No, I didn
[20:33:32] ‹Calindu› Most people read IW as town
[20:33:36] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› 't target anyone N0
[20:33:57] ‹moehrpi› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› But last night?
[20:34:06] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Saw the "No roleblocking roles N0" and didn't realize Warden was an exception.
[20:34:12] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Last night I targetted DD
[20:34:15] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:34:17] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans is town
[20:34:20] ‹shockcannon› we're in trouble
[20:34:52] ‹ddevans96› (dd is town btw)
[20:34:52] ‹Calindu› If he is telling the truth about his role, then he is 90% town
[20:35:11] ‹ddevans96› wait. forums pls. I changed the number on iancu's vote
[20:35:13] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[20:35:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Rip shocks post
[20:36:08] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› shock reset the vote on my screen
[20:36:43] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› You really should pay respect to that warning.
[20:36:56] ‹ddevans96› it didn't show up for me
[20:37:32] ‹ddevans96› probably bc I have different tabs open
[20:37:37] ‹kaempfer13› that happened to me earlier as well
[20:37:44] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› When looking at the timer, remember that shock's vote is currently the last vote.
[20:38:07] ‹moehrpi› ian's dump would really help right about now. Otherwise shock is just going to mess up any lynch.
[20:38:24] ‹moehrpi› And I don't want to hammer anyone before that.
[20:38:25] ‹Calindu› This is a quote from ian's posts: "Anyway, tonight I'm going to need some protection to get some more info. @2nd GA, protect me tonight please. You know who you are."
[20:38:42] ‹Calindu› Didn't ian say he got role blocked twice?
[20:38:50] ‹ddevans96› I reset correctly this time, pog
[20:38:55] ‹Calindu› How can he even know if there is a 2nd GA
[20:39:13] ‹ddevans96› if he has an investigative role of some kind
[20:39:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› He might be mafia.
[20:39:19] ‹MasterWalks› ian might be psion and he might be maf
[20:39:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Probably an info role. Psion?
[20:39:24] ‹Calindu› But he claimed he got blocked twice
[20:39:28] ‹MasterWalks› lying about being blocked
[20:39:32] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Not if he is blocked continuously.
[20:39:42] ‹Calindu› When could he find that info if he's blocked
[20:39:54] ‹Calindu› Ian has no info dump if he has been telling the truth
[20:40:00] ‹moehrpi› Tbf, he didn't claim his info was obtained via his role.
[20:40:04] ‹ddevans96› so either he
[20:40:09] ‹ddevans96› he's lying or he has nothing?
[20:40:22] ‹Calindu› That's the way I see it now, yeah
[20:40:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Either he's bluffing about there being a 2nd GA or he's lying about being blocked
[20:40:40] ‹shockcannon› ironic that I called out ian day1
[20:40:46] ‹shockcannon› and now everyone all of sudden wants to lynch ian
[20:40:51] ‹shockcannon› and here I am trying not to lynch anyone
[20:41:06] ‹Calindu› Sure, there are chances he's lying about being blocked in order to protect a power role
[20:41:08] ‹kaempfer13› ok fair, ian it is
[20:41:13] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› If you put it that way, it is ironic.
[20:41:21] ‹shockcannon› it's almost as if I was ahead of all the townies
[20:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› dont get too far ahead of yourself there shock
[20:41:40] ‹shockcannon› and here I am, still ahead and telling people not to lynch
[20:41:49] ‹shockcannon› for reals guys
[20:41:51] ‹shockcannon› i've taken a 180
[20:41:58] ‹shockcannon› I think lynching ian right now might not work out
[20:42:25] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› How so?
[20:42:34] ‹kaempfer13› should i hammer him even harder or can we let sub post yet
[20:42:46] ‹RootRanger› so day is still going because people keep voting every 5 minutes?
[20:42:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Sub pushed for no lynch last time and he turned out to be mafia...
[20:42:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Wassup root
[20:43:11] ‹RootRanger› can we stop acting like shockcannon is anything other than random noise
[20:43:29] ‹ddevans96› yep - prevents vote sniping at the very end, and let's town come to a consensus like they would in hammer-based mafia
[20:43:49] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We're trying to stall for an infodump by ian, but now we're wondering if it's worth it
[20:44:00] ‹shockcannon› The reason why I've been calling out ian all these past days when no one wanted to believe me is because I thought ddevans was also mafia
[20:44:12] ‹shockcannon› but the reason why you guys are voting up ian is because you think ddevans is town
[20:44:19] ‹RootRanger› "no one wanted to believe me"
[20:44:29] ‹kaempfer13› i am mostly pushing for lynches, it was the prime motivator of my vote, just said ian cant tell anything, but yh other than getting lastminute reads in we cant expect anything from him today anyway
[20:44:32] ‹RootRanger› yeah because you're making outrageous claims way beyond any info you could possibly have
[20:44:46] ‹RootRanger› you've never wanted to make yourself believable
[20:44:49] ‹Calindu› I find ian the most likely person to be mafia out of the 3 buses
[20:45:01] ‹Calindu› And no lynch doesn't help
[20:45:05] ‹shockcannon› outrageous claims?
[20:45:08] ‹kaempfer13› *sad*
[20:45:09] ‹shockcannon› literally ian is about to get lynched
[20:45:13] ‹shockcannon› and i'm not even one voting for him
[20:45:18] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Join in jcj
[20:45:20] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This is fun
[20:45:27] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› am i allowed to say that this mafia is hilarious?
[20:45:30] ‹RootRanger› outrageous claims = "blah blah is 100% mafia, blah blah blah is 95% mafia, etc."
[20:45:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I can talk about maf to you yay
[20:45:39] ‹RootRanger› you do not have that information. stop talking.
[20:45:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› oRcHeStRaTe
[20:45:47] ‹shockcannon› lol
[20:45:49] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Someone should post chat logs after the timer avoids being reset.
[20:45:55] ‹ddevans96› O R C H E S T R A T E B T W
[20:46:05] ‹RootRanger› also who are the guests
[20:46:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› <-- Sub
[20:46:24] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› deathstalker is www
[20:46:27] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Deathstalker is www3
[20:46:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No idea who oty is
[20:46:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Wassup root
[20:46:38] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Oty is afk.
[20:46:43] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› so it doesn't matter to me :silly:
[20:46:49] ‹RootRanger› oki hey
[20:47:04] ‹RootRanger› Sub: are all these vote shenanigans considered stalling for time?
[20:47:16] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@RootRanger› Confirmed.
[20:47:47] ‹Calindu› What the hell
[20:47:51] ‹RootRanger› As in, will the round end *only* when 5 minutes have passed without voting
[20:47:54] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› LOL
[20:47:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› SHOCK
[20:47:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› IM DEAD
[20:48:13] ‹RootRanger› or will it end if there is someone clearly with the most votes
[20:48:16] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[20:48:18] ‹shockcannon› fuck it
[20:48:25] ‹ddevans96› If I was right the whole time, and shock is GN
[20:48:29] ‹shockcannon› this is going down as the greatest mafia game ever
[20:48:31] ‹ddevans96› I'm going to die laughing
[20:48:37] ‹RootRanger› shock isn't GN
[20:48:41] ‹RootRanger› and no, it isn't going to
[20:48:41] ‹Guest-Mummy-9c15a› <-moe because he can't operate computers.
[20:48:45] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ROFL
[20:48:50] ‹RootRanger› it's just a normal game being derailed, again
[20:49:00] ‹Calindu› I reset the timer again
[20:49:11] ‹Calindu› 5 more minutes to process the new info
[20:49:46] ‹RootRanger› There is no new info
[20:49:55] ‹Calindu› Why would you push a lynch on ian if you are GN
[20:50:01] ‹Calindu› You probably investigated him N0
[20:50:02] ‹shockcannon› alright
[20:50:04] ‹shockcannon› i legit need to go
[20:50:07] ‹shockcannon› i really hope ian doesn't die
[20:50:15] ‹shockcannon› i strongly advise no lynch
[20:50:18] ‹shockcannon› but do what you want
[20:50:21] ‹shockcannon› i'm not reseting timer anymore
[20:50:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:50:29] ‹RootRanger› If he is genuinely GN, he's playing badly enough to be considered to be throwing the game
[20:50:46] ‹RootRanger› Lowkey I hope he is so this can be considered grounds for barring him from future mafias, but eh, he's probably just a normal civ
[20:50:47] ‹Calindu› I can't really trust shock either
[20:51:12] ‹Calindu› He pushed the ian lynch way too much for this to make sense
[20:51:29] ‹RootRanger› He literally just wants attention
[20:51:47] ‹RootRanger› I called him out for it last game but I'm no longer phoenix-god anymore, so voting on him this round didn't really do much
[20:51:53] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› hahaha
[20:51:55] ‹Calindu› Thoughts, everyone?
[20:52:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I don't think any multiples of 90 can convince me...
[20:52:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[20:52:34] ‹ddevans96› honestly? I'm gonna choose to believe he's telling the truth and my hunch that he was GN was right. it probably isn't, but the thought of that scenario is hilarious
[20:53:44] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› How do you explain the aggressive push on ian, then?
[20:53:46] ‹RootRanger› So at this point I'm unsure if we even have a Psion, but if we do, and we find out that shock is lying about GN, can we pleaseeeeeeee lynch him the next day
[20:54:00] ‹ddevans96› shock being an idiot and a wildcard
[20:54:06] ‹ddevans96› literally, there is no logic with him
[20:54:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› did you mean to put your vote onto iancu?
[20:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc his number was raised from 4 to 5
[20:54:37] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Please update the correct vote count.
[20:54:41] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Cal missed a number.
[20:54:59] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I wanted it on ian
[20:55:01] ‹Calindu› My bad
[20:55:37] ‹MasterWalks› ian isnt going to give us anything. i think we need to lynch someone and finish the day up
[20:55:51] ‹MasterWalks› he might if hes lynched
[20:56:02] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@moehrpi› Responding to your earlier question again, yeah, this certainly is an event.
[20:56:03] ‹RootRanger› @Calindu what was your opposition to IW?
[20:56:06] ‹MasterWalks› but hes not going to give us any info to prevent lynch i bet
[20:56:21] ‹RootRanger› ian has also told us all he can
[20:56:23] ‹RootRanger› He was roleblocked twice
[20:56:30] ‹RootRanger› Whatever role he is, he hasn't gotten info out of it
[20:56:33] ‹RootRanger› All he would have is hunches
[20:56:39] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I don't think he's mafia, him guarding dd as mafia doesn't make that much sense
[20:56:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› why is your vote still on insig?
[20:56:59] ‹MasterWalks› you still think he is mafia
[20:57:03] ‹ddevans96› bc I moved it back
[20:57:06] ‹Calindu› I posted this about 20 minutes ago: [19:38:25] ‹Calindu› This is a quote from ian's posts: "Anyway, tonight I'm going to need some protection to get some more info. @2nd GA, protect me tonight please. You know who you are."
[20:57:35] ‹MasterWalks› because you think hes maf or to extend timer?
[20:57:44] ‹ddevans96› timer
[20:57:57] ‹Calindu› Ian being roleblocked twice means ian has no idea if there is a 2nd GA
[20:57:58] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› we need a ruling on Cal's votes
[20:58:09] ‹RootRanger› Aye
[20:58:15] ‹ddevans96› bc the correction that actually shows his vote was after the 5-minute mark
[20:58:17] ‹RootRanger› ian and shock are both not making sense
[20:58:29] ‹RootRanger› which normally i'd attribute to being mafia, but that's also how they played last game so idk
[20:58:30] ‹ddevans96› I bet iancu and shock are both mafia
[20:58:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› If I do end up making out of this alive, someone protecc me plz
[20:58:47] ‹RootRanger› so the one upside to the ian lynch is that it's a 2-for-1 if we're correct
[20:58:48] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I did update 2 numbers, and everyone understood that I wanted to vote on ian
[20:59:02] ‹RootRanger› as in, the best case is that we kill 2 mafia, the worst case is that we kill 2 civs
[20:59:37] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shouldnt mafia making more sense be logical?
[20:59:56] ‹RootRanger› So the basic idea is that mafia is forced to lie while civs are not
[20:59:56] ‹ddevans96› yeah, the intent was clear
[21:00:00] ‹ddevans96› so I think it should be fine
[21:00:04] ‹kaempfer13› bc they know so much more and can tell each other what to do
[21:00:06] ‹RootRanger› Which means civs should have no difficulty making sense, but it's harder for mafia
[21:00:21] ‹RootRanger› The problem with *Elements* mafia is that half the players have difficulty making sense regardless of alignment
[21:00:48] ‹RootRanger› God this is making me vile lol
[21:00:57] ‹RootRanger› I'm just annoyed at shock for ruining the game
[21:01:00] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› the problem of assuming everyone is perfectly logical
[21:01:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Pls join next mafia everyone. I want to play in one. Kthnx
[21:01:12] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› We passed the 1 hour mark!
[21:01:14] ‹RootRanger› They are, for the right games
[21:01:18] ‹ddevans96› I don't think the game is ruined, tbh
[21:01:19] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The votes have been reset for a full hour.
[21:01:21] ‹RootRanger› Or with the right groups
[21:01:22] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Just incredible.
[21:01:35] ‹ddevans96› it's just someone playing as chaotic as possible
[21:01:35] ‹RootRanger› It's not ruined, it's just...worse
[21:01:48] ‹moehrpi› Guess iancu dies without a dump.
[21:02:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› S-H-I-T
[21:02:06] ‹RootRanger› He dumped everything as is
[21:02:08] ‹Calindu› I don't think there's any info dump
[21:02:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You know what will
[21:02:11] ‹RootRanger› He was roleblocked twice
[21:02:18] ‹RootRanger› He has no hard info
[21:02:46] ‹kaempfer13› although in my case it was mostly just not thinking far enough and going of the 2 premises that town talks and town doesnt hinder each other that my odd behaviour stemmed from
[21:02:47] ‹moehrpi› ‹@RootRanger› dd only claimed his role and people moved their votes away from him.
[21:02:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Time up?
[21:02:51] ‹ddevans96› day is now over, if I'm not mistaken
[21:02:59] ‹RootRanger› Yeah, time's up
[21:03:10] ‹ddevans96› wow, this was intense
[21:03:16] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[21:03:27] ‹moehrpi› ggwp everyone.
[21:03:31] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› we live another day - rejoice
[21:03:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› LOL
[21:03:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› AHAHAHAHAHA
[21:03:38] ‹RootRanger› iancu was all 4 of the mafia using one account, we won
[21:03:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› THIS IS FUNNY
[21:03:41] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Post first part of chatlogs.
[21:03:43] ‹Calindu› Oh, rip
[21:03:54] ‹Espithel› Oh.
[21:03:54] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› vagman was the mafia all along
[21:03:55] ‹kaempfer13› and ian was town psion, gj
[21:04:04] ‹Espithel› Oh FUCK it's end of phase already?
[21:04:08] ‹Calindu› He was Oty
[21:04:12] ‹Espithel› I thought that was tomorrow
[21:04:12] ‹kaempfer13› well almost
[21:04:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Oh shit we found confirmed oty
[21:04:32] ‹RootRanger› Why the fuck was he trying to use his ability on N0
[21:04:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› too bad he was town tho
[21:04:38] ‹RootRanger› sry for profanity but COME ON buddy
[21:04:45] ‹RootRanger› Oh hi ian
[21:04:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@iancudorinmarian› bruh
[21:04:46] ‹MasterWalks› well we lynched scum town
[21:04:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Ahaha was
[21:04:55] ‹kaempfer13› alright that makes insig indirectly suspicious for potentially framing an oty
[21:05:00] ‹RootRanger› Nothing personal, aye?
[21:05:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› shit
[21:05:04] ‹Calindu› If Fate Egg dies, does it flip Fate Egg, or the ability of that night?
[21:05:21] ‹RootRanger› Ah calin is asking the right questions
[21:05:24] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› It flips Fate Egg. That's what happened when I died last round
[21:05:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› *last mafia
[21:05:29] ‹MasterWalks› fate egg still reveals as fate egg and the role it had
[21:05:31] ‹RootRanger› That would actually explain a lot
[21:05:36] ‹RootRanger› Oh :/ right
[21:05:36] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› It is different.
[21:05:39] ‹ddevans96› 'you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. '
[21:05:47] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Read the role description.
[21:05:55] ‹ddevans96› so I would bet good money that the FE/Oty theory is correct
[21:06:50] ‹RootRanger› do we think he was lying about being roleblocked to try to draw out info?
[21:07:00] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› holy shit day 2 lasted 13 pages
[21:07:13] ‹ddevans96› he could have been
[21:07:14] ‹RootRanger› Oh wow
[21:07:17] ‹RootRanger› So he was FE
[21:07:19] ‹RootRanger› likely
[21:07:35] ‹ddevans96› that seems to make the most sense
[21:08:06] ‹Calindu› Him being Oty and trying to use that ability makes no sense, so most likely he was FE
[21:08:23] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› im not sure if someone asked yet, but what exactly were you trying to achieve by revealing dd was targeted by oty?
[21:08:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Basically to confirm we have an Oty. Probably not the best choice
[21:09:17] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› does iancu flipping town change your opinion that I'm likely town after the Anubis claim?
[21:09:42] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I'm not sure now, because there's a high change he was the one targeting you
[21:10:47] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:10:56] ‹Calindu› So IW blocked ian's Otyugh on dd, I believe that makes the most sense
[21:11:16] ‹ddevans96› I would have had no way to assume he was targeting me
[21:11:36] ‹ddevans96› and remember I thought he was town
[21:12:48] ‹ddevans96› but yeah, I should not be treated as free of suspicion just bc of the Anubis claim
[21:13:05] ‹Calindu› Yeah, but him targeting you makes the most sense
[21:13:16] ‹Calindu› And the question is: why would he target you?
[21:13:26] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I would assume a scumread...
[21:13:36] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks I'm mafia
[21:13:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Iannnnn
[21:13:46] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› We can talk
[21:13:50] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› About maf yay
[21:13:54] ‹Calindu› But ian saved you both times in the end
[21:13:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@iancudorinmarian› sorry man
[21:13:59] ‹RootRanger› @ian I take back the "come on buddy" now that I realize you could have been fate egg, sry :p
[21:14:08] ‹Calindu› So this doesn't make any sense either
[21:14:37] ‹ddevans96› only the first round
[21:15:06] ‹ddevans96› maybe that situation changed his read from town/neutral to mafia
[21:15:09] ‹Calindu› True, but him and you started the train on IW
[21:16:21] ‹ddevans96› this is true
[21:16:25] ‹MasterWalks› did ian vote on insig before or after insigs reveal?
[21:17:00] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› on another note, shock is not infinitely unreliable
[21:17:43] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› After
[21:17:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› shock is guaranteed to be 100% unreliable
[21:18:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:18:10] ‹RootRanger› https://i.imgur.com/FtnSo3T.png
[21:18:12] ‹kaempfer13› claim both mafia and town for ian with confidence each
[21:18:13] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› *now
[21:18:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› For the record, I had info
[21:18:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:18:42] ‹RootRanger› shock is mathematically infinitely unreliable
[21:18:54] ‹RootRanger› i can explain the stats in more detail if you guys want
[21:18:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, I still have, but its with me in the gravw
[21:19:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Grave
[21:19:11] ‹MasterWalks› if ian voted insig after insigs reveal, its very likely he targeted him just cuz he was blocked
[21:19:11] ‹RootRanger› in the gravy lol
[21:19:50] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› I don't think you should have revealed that, you still revealed info now
[21:20:11] ‹RootRanger› So
[21:20:17] ‹RootRanger› ian said there was another GA right?
[21:20:20] ‹kaempfer13› what are we gonna do, modkill him?
[21:20:26] ‹RootRanger› Like he said it like it was a true statement, rather than a speculation
[21:20:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› Revealed info by revealing I had info :sillyspin:
[21:21:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oaaaaa
[21:21:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s a party of dead civs
[21:21:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Welcome
[21:21:38] ‹ddevans96› eh, that doesn't say anything tbh
[21:21:40] ‹ddevans96› it's whatever
[21:22:07] ‹MasterWalks› create a discord channel for dead civs so that when i die, we can all figure out mafia on our own
[21:22:23] ‹ddevans96› I think we should believe that iancu knew of a second GA
[21:22:32] ‹ddevans96› it's either that or a bluff
[21:22:35] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Who died?
[21:22:49] ‹RootRanger› And if there's another GA, it could still be mafia, too :/
[21:22:59] ‹PlayerOa› So much to catch up on :<
[21:23:18] ‹RootRanger› ian died, he was a a *cough fate egg* otyugh
[21:23:33] ‹PlayerOa› Town?
[21:23:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yh
[21:23:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Town
[21:23:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You should read up the last few pages. Interesting stuff
[21:24:01] ‹PlayerOa› F
[21:24:08] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah I'm on it
[21:25:53] ‹PlayerOa› N1 death is so boring :ermm:
[21:27:24] ‹Jen-i› A hoi hoi
[21:27:28] ‹RootRanger› heya
[21:27:53] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Exactly one elemental and 0 mafia start as a GA.
[21:28:09] ‹Espithel› If there's a second GA, then it can only be via endow, fate egg, or scavenge. We can toss scavenge off the list.
[21:28:24] ‹Calindu› Nope
[21:28:28] ‹Calindu› ‹@Jen-i› Hey Jen
[21:28:33] ‹Espithel› No?
[21:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, that's GN
[21:28:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› GN =/= GA
[21:28:39] ‹Espithel› That's what the role says.
[21:28:42] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Yeah, that's for GN
[21:28:44] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:28:44] ‹ddevans96› Guardian Angel - ER Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles that target them this Night. This ability fails if the target was Healed by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.
[21:29:01] ‹Espithel› STOP USING ALL THE WEIRD FUCKING ABBREVIATIONS THAT LOOK THE EXACT SAME
[21:29:02] ‹Espithel› YOU NONCES
[21:29:11] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU'VE MADE ME WRONG THAT'S LITERALLY HITLER
[21:29:13] ‹ddevans96› I tried to just say 'Golden' but no one listened :silly:
[21:29:19] ‹Espithel› STOP MAKING ME SAY THINGS THAT ARE INCORRECT
[21:29:20] ‹Espithel› >:(
[21:29:24] ‹ddevans96› Espi is Hitler confirmed
[21:29:33] ‹ddevans96› vote Nein on him as chancellor
[21:29:48] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Is that a Secret Hitler reference?
[21:29:55] ‹ddevans96› (vote Ja on me, I'm never fascist :silly:)
[21:30:20] ‹ddevans96› haha, yeah
[21:30:22] ‹ddevans96› best game
[21:30:40] ‹Espithel› Secret hitler is p good.
[21:31:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Theme of Mafia 72 confirmed?
[21:31:37] ‹Espithel› Also, er, can I just point something out?
[21:31:49] ‹ddevans96› if we can figure out how to play Secret Hitler in forums I would be so happy
[21:31:52] ‹Espithel› There's 22 roles, yeah? And 19 players.
[21:31:54] ‹ddevans96› but I don't think it's viable
[21:32:15] ‹RootRanger› Oh I'm 1000% down for Secret Hitler instead of mafia
[21:32:17] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› 22 roles?
[21:32:22] ‹RootRanger› I think it can work actually
[21:32:24] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Nah man, there aren't 22 roles.
[21:32:28] ‹vagman13› yay ian lynched
[21:32:35] ‹vagman13› happy days ^_^
[21:32:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@vagman13› :(
[21:32:38] ‹RootRanger› It's a max of 10 players, yeah
[21:32:45] ‹RootRanger› You could run 2 games and split them up
[21:32:51] ‹RootRanger› In terms of timeframe, it works out tho
[21:32:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Game-losing lynch, I tell you
[21:32:59] ‹Espithel› No, I count 22
[21:33:08] ‹RootRanger› There's a max of 10 rounds, you just have to handle the ja/nein phase efficiently
[21:33:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I count 23
[21:33:24] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@Espithel› Did you count Warden 3 times?
[21:33:37] ‹Espithel› Golden Nymph, Psion, Dragonfly, FFQ, Warden, Toadfish, Oty, Flayer, Warden, Angel, Grab-
[21:33:39] ‹Espithel› 21 roles
[21:33:45] ‹RootRanger› If you do 1 day for each ja/nein, and 1 day for each government, you can have it done in like ~30 days
[21:33:53] ‹Calindu› Oh, I counted warden 3 times
[21:33:55] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Shrieker is not a role.
[21:34:08] ‹Calindu› And I also counted shrieker
[21:34:15] ‹Espithel› graboid, seraph, phoenix, anubis, green nymph, amber nymph, crusader, vulture, fate egg
[21:34:29] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› 20 roles.
[21:35:01] ‹Espithel› Oh, and squid and ghost
[21:35:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that might actually work out tbh
[21:35:05] ‹kaempfer13› if ian assumed a second ga was around for reasons with his role refer to my post
[21:35:17] ‹Espithel› And I counted warden twi
[21:35:19] ‹Espithel› OH FFS
[21:35:21] ‹Espithel› SUBMACHINE
[21:35:26] ‹Espithel› DON'T PUT A ROLE 3 TIMES
[21:35:28] ‹Espithel› YOU LITLE SHIT
[21:36:06] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› I am merely the host. The layout and roles were given to me by Linkcat. :whistling:
[21:36:35] ‹Espithel› THE POINT IS, THERE ARE MORE ROLES THAN THERE ARE PLAYERS - EVEN IF THERE WERE NO DUPLICATES, THERE'S SOME ROLES NOT IN THE GAME
[21:36:48] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:36:55] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[21:36:55] ‹ddevans96› Link did it last game too, tbf
[21:36:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
[21:37:05] ‹ddevans96› CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
[21:37:08] • Espithel coughs.
[21:37:16] ‹Espithel› And there's clearly some duplicates.
[21:37:26] ‹Espithel› So I'd wager around 1-3 roles aren't in the game.
[21:37:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Your face is a duplicate
[21:37:50] ‹Espithel› I actually really hate that there's duplicates
[21:37:56] ‹Espithel› "I'm a guardian angel!"
[21:38:02] ‹Espithel› \\"I'm also a guardian angel!"
[21:38:09] ‹Espithel› And one claim doesn't counter the other
[21:38:11] ‹Espithel› ew
[21:38:29] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I don't like duplicates either tbh
[21:38:54] ‹Espithel› Reason I'm pointing this out is I'm noticing a mass roleclaim, yeah?
[21:39:11] ‹Espithel› What if the abilities we want to claim aren't in the game?
[21:39:16] ‹Espithel› What if there's no psion, for instance?
[21:39:40] • Espithel coughs.
[21:39:48] ‹Espithel› Sorry for screaming at you Subbles. Please forgive. -w-
[21:39:51] ‹RootRanger› does anyone remember when people would have only primary roles and the roles would be d ifferent for mafia and civs
[21:40:01] ‹RootRanger› so you could just mass roleclaim and anyone who didn't have a duplicate role was guaranteed civ
[21:40:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yh
[21:40:20] ‹Espithel› Those were the days
[21:40:25] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[21:40:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:46:04] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› yes?
[21:47:16] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[21:47:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[21:47:35] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Arsenal or chelsea tonight
[21:48:20] ‹Mobian› Wait, so forum chat is now disallowed??
[21:48:49] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@Mobian› Only forum chat PMs.
[21:48:53] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Mobian› Think he means chat PMs
[21:49:52] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ah, thanks for clarifying
[16:19:44] ‹schaj5› Should've destroyed more of your sundials
[16:20:18] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Yeah, that probably would have helped.
[16:20:25] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› anyways, searching for next
[16:24:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› gg
[16:25:09] ‹schaj5› Yeah I was pretty sure you wanted to throw weapons on me.
[16:27:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› searching for next
[16:27:59] ‹schaj5› So thank you. I have to go.
[16:28:09] ‹Wyand›
[16:28:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No problem, see you later
[16:32:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:10:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:11:02] ‹Submachine›
[17:32:11] ‹Calindu›
[17:34:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:50:28] ‹moehrpi› It's time for some end-of-day mafia drama.
[17:50:50] ‹moehrpi›
[17:50:50] ‹Mobian› Yay drama!
[17:51:17] ‹moehrpi› It's not looking good for you, Link. :S
[17:55:03] ‹Mobian› Link doesn't have any votes on him yet
[17:56:35] ‹Submachine› Who will be lynched - dd, Insig, or someone else? Take your bets! :sillyspin:
[18:02:42] ‹Mobian› What to do, what to do?
[18:03:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[18:26:39] ‹ARTHANASIOS› /ρολλ
[18:26:42] ‹ARTHANASIOS› roll
[18:26:45] ‹ARTHANASIOS›
[18:26:50] ‹ARTHANASIOS› troll!
[18:29:08] ‹ARTHANASIOS› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› 12 lives?
[18:29:17] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Sure
[18:29:48] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ready g1
[18:31:02] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[18:31:03] ‹ARTHANASIOS› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› searching
[18:31:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› When does mag day end
[18:35:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Mafia ends in 1h25.
[18:48:38] ‹Wyand›
[18:54:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:21:46] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:23:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Dang insig with full meta
[19:24:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Wouldn't call Time Rush meta...
[19:25:25] ‹Mobian› Shock, you got any last minute plays up your sleeve?
[19:26:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Isn’t arthas change invalid
[19:26:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Cause he didn’t win w air
[19:30:26] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› yup
[19:43:44] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› [19:41:18] moehrpi joined. [19:41:36] moehrpi joined. [19:41:48] moehrpi joined.
[19:43:51] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› That's some black magic right there.
[19:45:26] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[19:45:35] ‹ddevans96› this was shaping up to be one of my best town games ever
[19:46:29] ‹ddevans96› anyone that can be convinced to vote on IW?
[19:47:35] ‹ddevans96› moehrpi, kaempfer: neither of you have voted yet, there's still time to save me
[19:49:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[19:49:11] ‹ddevans96› Espithel too, your vote is neutral atm
[19:52:03] ‹moehrpi› I am not sure I want to. Your lynch obviously gives a lot of information but it's hard to tell if losing a role is worth it.
[19:52:21] ‹moehrpi› I'd be down to lynch coffe/math, though.
[19:52:56] ‹moehrpi› I didn't ask Sub about modkills so I don't know if it makes any sense to waste a lynch and not get any information.
[19:52:56] ‹ddevans96› I don't think we can swing a vote onto anyone but Mobian and iancu
[19:53:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› out of weeb and you id rather get you out of the way; people will tunnel on you every round and nothing else gets discussed
[19:53:19] ‹ddevans96› just ignore MW the way you ignore shock
[19:53:20] ‹ddevans96› tbh
[19:53:21] ‹moehrpi› I am fairly sure Mobian is town.
[19:53:27] ‹kaempfer13› unless someone confirms weeb lied about his role
[19:53:39] ‹ddevans96› yeah, so do I - I'm town lean for both him and iancu
[19:53:57] ‹ddevans96› so there's pretty much no way for me to live unless we kill IW
[19:54:04] ‹kaempfer13› mobian is actually my strongest townread rn, albeit hes playing it poorly
[19:54:06] ‹moehrpi› Your 'info dump' / advice let's me think you lean town, again.
[19:54:27] ‹ddevans96› it's just frustrating because this is the best early-game I've played as town in years, lol
[19:55:24] ‹moehrpi› I highly agree with kae's 'people will tunnel on you every round'.
[19:55:35] ‹ddevans96› just MW, really
[19:55:41] ‹ddevans96› and again - ignore him like you would shock
[19:55:59] ‹moehrpi› That's what I also mentioned when I said redirecting a lynch to a town GA always looks suspicious.
[19:56:26] ‹ddevans96› even if I was mafia, there's no way I could have known jcj was GA
[19:56:53] ‹moehrpi› iancu also claimed an important role? I tend to give people the benefit of a doubt..
[19:56:55] ‹ddevans96› unless we got Psion
[19:57:00] ‹kaempfer13› pms from teammates with rolereveal
[19:57:13] ‹moehrpi› I can't tell how much info insig can gather.
[19:57:14] ‹ddevans96› and even then - that only worked bc he already had votes on hi,m
[19:57:22] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’ll switch my vote off ddevans if ddevans votes for ian
[19:57:23] ‹ddevans96› what are the chances of all of that lining up?
[19:58:14] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Aaaaaaaa this is fun
[19:58:16] ‹ddevans96› done
[19:58:41] ‹ddevans96› someone else would have to vote on iancu, though
[19:58:46] ‹ddevans96› and he's a town lean for most people
[19:59:01] ‹ddevans96› otherwise it's tied
[19:59:12] ‹ddevans96› assuming you move your vote to him
[20:00:04] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› He played you :sillyspin:
[20:00:17] ‹ddevans96› I mean...no
[20:00:25] ‹ddevans96› it's my best chance to survive
[20:00:39] ‹ddevans96› and I only think iancu is town, I know I'm town - so that's always the play
[20:01:21] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I mean, he won’t change his vote :sillyspin:
[20:01:23] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› you have to vote like now to keep the timer alive
[20:01:36] ‹ddevans96› can you shut up? you aren't playing
[20:01:41] ‹ddevans96› seriously. just bystand. jfc
[20:02:27] ‹ddevans96› there's literally no reason for me NOT to do it
[20:03:10] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› merci <3
[20:03:25] ‹shockcannon› im personally hoping for no lynch
[20:03:26] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› I feel like the hecking reaper just by having this post ready, with dd's name and role typed in already...
[20:03:30] ‹shockcannon› lets see what happens
[20:04:08] ‹kaempfer13› given that i dont agree with no lynch ill vote dd out of those 2 before timer ends if needed
[20:04:21] ‹ddevans96› I'll take no lynch over lynching me, obviously
[20:04:37] ‹kaempfer13› nothing personal
[20:05:21] ‹ddevans96› you'll get lynched tomorrow, then - you'll be the vote that hammered a town
[20:05:31] ‹ddevans96› and you're already a lowkey popular lynch target
[20:06:21] ‹kaempfer13› going for no lynch speaks for being mafia/bad unless you know more
[20:06:40] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Test
[20:06:51] ‹ddevans96› I mean, I know I'm town, so for me, it's lynching a town over not lynching a town
[20:06:53] ‹ddevans96› pretty basic stuff
[20:07:04] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure about ian either, I'd rather lynch him than have a no lynch
[20:07:11] ‹ddevans96› please go for it
[20:07:16] ‹ddevans96› like now
[20:07:18] ‹ddevans96› before timer stops
[20:07:25] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Kaemp voted already
[20:07:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Another 5 mins
[20:07:32] ‹Calindu› Kae already voted on you though
[20:07:33] ‹ddevans96› oh nvm, kaempfer reset
[20:07:42] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[20:07:46] ‹ddevans96› such a huge mistake, honestly
[20:07:47] ‹kaempfer13› cal can make it a tie again i guess
[20:07:52] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› These votes are really cutting it close.
[20:08:02] ‹ddevans96› no, Cal would move the vote to iancu
[20:08:06] ‹ddevans96› bc his vote is currently on me
[20:08:22] ‹kaempfer13› this will be how it is every round dd is alive if things continue
[20:08:24] ‹ddevans96› so it comes down to who he's rather lynch
[20:08:24] ‹Calindu› I'm not even sure what to think anymore now, I believe both you and ian are mafia, the way I see it
[20:08:40] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Shock voted
[20:08:41] ‹kaempfer13› oh yh, so he can make the call
[20:09:07] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› no, it won't be
[20:09:08] ‹Calindu› Ok, I don't see any reason to lynch IW, so this is off the table now
[20:09:19] ‹ddevans96› 1) just start ignoring MW, seriously. he's shock lite
[20:09:37] ‹ddevans96› 2) if I was mafia, we'd be absolutely stupid to save me two nights in a row
[20:09:51] ‹ddevans96› everyone involved in saving me would come under extreme suspicion, and many of those would be mafia
[20:09:53] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:10:04] ‹ddevans96› if I'm mafia, the smart play is to let me die rn
[20:10:24] ‹ddevans96› you're just making excuses for MW's bad play if you lynch bc 'this will happen every round'
[20:10:46] ‹shockcannon› timers ticking
[20:11:16] ‹kaempfer13› yh, but since i dont know if y ou are mafia you could still be it
[20:11:33] ‹ddevans96› there is zero chance I'm mafia if I live today
[20:11:40] ‹Calindu› I don't want to lynch another absent person, this just blocks any information dump if they want to do it to save themselves
[20:11:46] ‹shockcannon› lol that's stupidly false
[20:11:50] ‹shockcannon› but ok
[20:12:02] ‹ddevans96› I literally detailed above
[20:12:09] ‹ddevans96› that would be the worst play mafia could make
[20:12:10] ‹ddevans96› bar none
[20:12:12] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Why did you revert to Insig?
[20:12:17] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› dude
[20:12:22] ‹shockcannon› i'm literally giving you a chance to live
[20:12:25] ‹shockcannon› you have like 30 seconds
[20:12:26] ‹kaempfer13› only espithel matches with your saving votes last round, so mafia not saving you this time confirmed
[20:12:36] ‹Wyand›
[20:13:07] ‹shockcannon›
[20:13:09] ‹kaempfer13› that does make it more likely you are mafia though
[20:13:33] ‹shockcannon› alright now that we have a timer reset
[20:13:45] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› i think you should role reveal before you die
[20:13:48] ‹shockcannon› may actually save you
[20:13:52] ‹ddevans96› if I'm about to die, sure
[20:13:56] ‹shockcannon› because I think you're going to die if you dont say anything
[20:14:03] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Time is up, but I am confused by that quote.
[20:14:06] ‹kaempfer13› yep give us everything you have
[20:14:09] ‹shockcannon› i dont think I can maintain this tie vote
[20:14:11] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s not up sub
[20:14:17] ‹ddevans96› time is...not up?
[20:14:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› SD just forgot numbers, another 5 mins
[20:14:19] ‹ddevans96› that's a vote
[20:14:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dd*
[20:14:29] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› He voted inside the quote.
[20:14:36] ‹kaempfer13› can i move my vote back and forth just to give you time for the reveal?
[20:14:47] ‹Calindu› Reveal and info dump, maybe someone can confirm
[20:14:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› you gotta give us something
[20:14:58] ‹shockcannon› either role
[20:14:59] ‹shockcannon› or something else
[20:15:03] ‹shockcannon› but people gonna lynch you
[20:15:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› FWIW, moe voted.
[20:15:07] ‹shockcannon› I dont think I can save you
[20:15:13] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› dd just quoted the last post? I can only give 1 extra minute.
[20:15:17] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› For a vote correction etc.
[20:15:27] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Deadline is hour:16.
[20:15:37] ‹ddevans96› it's not a vote correction
[20:15:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› he changed the vote from Ian to IW
[20:15:42] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Plus moe just voted
[20:15:45] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› So another reset.
[20:15:45] ‹ddevans96› and then moer voted
[20:16:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Oh, right.
[20:16:24] ‹kaempfer13› insig anything you can give us, you are about to die now
[20:16:28] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The numbers were not updated.
[20:16:31] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The timer goes on.
[20:16:36] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I clarified in the following post
[20:17:01] ‹ddevans96› I thought I had less time than I did, miscounted by a minute
[20:17:06] ‹kaempfer13› unfortunately role reveal isomething you already did
[20:17:20] ‹Calindu› Why wouldn't you protect yourself as Anubis?
[20:17:37] ‹ddevans96› because then I can't be targeted by -anything-
[20:17:48] ‹ddevans96› that includes investigative roles
[20:17:54] ‹ddevans96› it looks scummy to use early
[20:17:58] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› have a tab with an infodumbpost ready
[20:18:14] ‹ddevans96› I already gave my info dump, lol
[20:18:18] ‹ddevans96› unless you want detailed scumreads
[20:18:38] ‹Calindu› I'll reset the timer
[20:18:56] ‹ddevans96› for scumreads?
[20:18:57] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:18:59] ‹shockcannon› with that info
[20:19:02] ‹shockcannon› i think we go no lynch today
[20:19:05] ‹shockcannon› or lynch on ian
[20:19:20] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› role?
[20:19:30] ‹ddevans96› ANUBIS
[20:19:32] ‹ddevans96› READ THE THREAD
[20:19:38] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› immaterial me next night and I'll change vote
[20:19:49] ‹Calindu› I'd take lynching ian over a no lynch, but I still believe it might not be the best play
[20:19:49] ‹ddevans96› or read chat, since Cal said it
[20:20:16] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, I prefer iancu lynch to no lynch as well
[20:20:59] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Anyone who's voting me, I'll target a person of your choosing if you move your vote to literally anyone
[20:21:18] ‹shockcannon› i've taken a 180
[20:21:19] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Can't guarantee it will be next night, though
[20:21:27] ‹shockcannon› i think ian, ddevans, and insig may all be town
[20:21:28] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› my vote is off you
[20:21:34] ‹shockcannon› I don't think its worth lynching
[20:21:37] ‹ddevans96› it's now iancu 6, IW 4, me 3
[20:21:43] ‹MasterWalks› Yes or no dd
[20:21:51] ‹Calindu› With that Anubis claim I believe dd might be town as well
[20:21:55] ‹kaempfer13› ah that one was eaten by the votes so I didnt see
[20:22:03] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Can I trade vote for immortality? :silly:
[20:22:11] ‹Calindu› It makes sense, you would definitely target yourself as Anubis if you were mafia
[20:22:17] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@ddevans96› Ok. Who would you like me to block?
[20:22:18] ‹kaempfer13› damn no infodumb from iancu though
[20:22:25] ‹ddevans96› I'm not using this garbage ability on anyone unless I'm very sure they're town
[20:22:50] ‹shockcannon› we need iancu info
[20:22:54] ‹shockcannon› we can't lynch him blindly
[20:23:08] ‹shockcannon› seriously guys
[20:23:08] ‹Calindu› If any of the fireflies can confirm dd not using his ability N0, that would be great
[20:23:10] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Voting No Lynch is an option.
[20:23:11] ‹shockcannon› trust me on this one and go no lynch
[20:23:14] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› But time is ticking.
[20:23:24] ‹ddevans96› I already caught a Firefly n0
[20:23:27] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not like he can get on here and infodump in time though
[20:23:35] ‹MasterWalks› We should not no lynch
[20:24:03] ‹Calindu› Lynching ian is stupid, since he's absent, I don't want a repeat of D1 where JCJ couldn't even defend himself
[20:24:09] ‹Calindu› But no lynch is even worse
[20:24:12] ‹ddevans96› I have like 10 tabs of this game open, aaaaaa
[20:24:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Yeah, if someone can confirm that, that would be great
[20:24:47] ‹ddevans96› fair
[20:24:58] ‹kaempfer13› damn, we need ians info and insig is probably town so long as we dont have evidence of him lying
[20:25:29] ‹ddevans96› I don't think I can legally swap back to IW immediately
[20:25:34] ‹ddevans96› so I can vote Mobian to reset timer
[20:25:39] ‹ddevans96› or anyone else
[20:25:43] ‹shockcannon› has ian claimed anything
[20:25:52] ‹moehrpi› We could always let dd orchestrate a lynch on Root. :)
[20:26:01] ‹kaempfer13› not being able to do anything
[20:26:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› No, he just claimed he can gather info
[20:26:08] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Give him a conductor's rod
[20:26:12] ‹kaempfer13› is what he claimed
[20:26:15] ‹shockcannon› so info role?
[20:26:16] ‹ddevans96› O R C H E S T R A T E
[20:26:18] ‹shockcannon› did he really say that?
[20:26:21] ‹shockcannon› wait ddevans
[20:26:24] ‹Calindu› Resetting timer again
[20:26:26] ‹ddevans96› ye?
[20:26:30] ‹shockcannon› you didnt use it at all?
[20:26:32] ‹shockcannon› anubis?
[20:26:44] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu›
[20:26:44] ‹ddevans96› nope. we agreed it was scummy to use early game
[20:26:45] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu›
[20:26:50] ‹ddevans96› and I agree
[20:26:56] ‹shockcannon› GOSH DANG IT
[20:27:10] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› ?
[20:27:20] ‹shockcannon› i was trying to distract you
[20:27:24] ‹shockcannon› so timer didnt reset
[20:27:27] ‹shockcannon› but moehrpi
[20:27:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Should someone ping ian on Discord to infodump?
[20:27:38] ‹kaempfer13› is removing votes a thing or does it have to be moved?
[20:27:40] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› No lynch is not an option
[20:27:49] ‹shockcannon› it really is
[20:28:04] ‹moehrpi› Espi did remove earlier without voting 'no-lych' iirc.
[20:28:26] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Moe's EBWOP does not count as a timer reset.
[20:28:30] ‹shockcannon› lol wrong button
[20:28:31] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› But his original vote does.
[20:28:41] ‹ddevans96› pinged on discord
[20:29:02] ‹Calindu› I can reset timer again if needed
[20:29:02] ‹shockcannon› my post means nothing
[20:29:32] ‹MasterWalks› Wait, so are we extending to give Ian time to info dump?
[20:29:36] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› shock's post is also a repeat, so that didn't reset timer either
[20:29:38] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› This must be quite an even t for you.
[20:29:38] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Yeah
[20:29:41] ‹MasterWalks› I'm on mobile so kinda hard to follow
[20:29:53] ‹ddevans96› yeah
[20:29:55] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@moehrpi› It is an event alright.
[20:30:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:30:16] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:30:22] ‹shockcannon› nvm
[20:30:58] ‹Calindu› Timer reset
[20:32:14] ‹Calindu› Did ian respond?
[20:32:19] ‹ddevans96› what if shock wants us to NL bc he's mafia and one of his mates is up for the noose
[20:32:23] ‹ddevans96› not yet
[20:32:48] ‹kaempfer13› if someone claims insig lied i will vote for lynching him, otherwise i dunno what to do as ians infodumb would be important
[20:33:04] ‹ddevans96› reset vote
[20:33:18] ‹moehrpi› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Didn't you guard iancu N1?
[20:33:24] ‹ddevans96› a bit early
[20:33:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No, I didn
[20:33:32] ‹Calindu› Most people read IW as town
[20:33:36] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› 't target anyone N0
[20:33:57] ‹moehrpi› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› But last night?
[20:34:06] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Saw the "No roleblocking roles N0" and didn't realize Warden was an exception.
[20:34:12] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Last night I targetted DD
[20:34:15] ‹shockcannon› honestly
[20:34:17] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans is town
[20:34:20] ‹shockcannon› we're in trouble
[20:34:52] ‹ddevans96› (dd is town btw)
[20:34:52] ‹Calindu› If he is telling the truth about his role, then he is 90% town
[20:35:11] ‹ddevans96› wait. forums pls. I changed the number on iancu's vote
[20:35:13] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[20:35:59] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Rip shocks post
[20:36:08] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› shock reset the vote on my screen
[20:36:43] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› You really should pay respect to that warning.
[20:36:56] ‹ddevans96› it didn't show up for me
[20:37:32] ‹ddevans96› probably bc I have different tabs open
[20:37:37] ‹kaempfer13› that happened to me earlier as well
[20:37:44] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› When looking at the timer, remember that shock's vote is currently the last vote.
[20:38:07] ‹moehrpi› ian's dump would really help right about now. Otherwise shock is just going to mess up any lynch.
[20:38:24] ‹moehrpi› And I don't want to hammer anyone before that.
[20:38:25] ‹Calindu› This is a quote from ian's posts: "Anyway, tonight I'm going to need some protection to get some more info. @2nd GA, protect me tonight please. You know who you are."
[20:38:42] ‹Calindu› Didn't ian say he got role blocked twice?
[20:38:50] ‹ddevans96› I reset correctly this time, pog
[20:38:55] ‹Calindu› How can he even know if there is a 2nd GA
[20:39:13] ‹ddevans96› if he has an investigative role of some kind
[20:39:14] ‹moehrpi› ‹@Calindu› He might be mafia.
[20:39:19] ‹MasterWalks› ian might be psion and he might be maf
[20:39:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Probably an info role. Psion?
[20:39:24] ‹Calindu› But he claimed he got blocked twice
[20:39:28] ‹MasterWalks› lying about being blocked
[20:39:32] ‹moehrpi› ‹@ddevans96› Not if he is blocked continuously.
[20:39:42] ‹Calindu› When could he find that info if he's blocked
[20:39:54] ‹Calindu› Ian has no info dump if he has been telling the truth
[20:40:00] ‹moehrpi› Tbf, he didn't claim his info was obtained via his role.
[20:40:04] ‹ddevans96› so either he
[20:40:09] ‹ddevans96› he's lying or he has nothing?
[20:40:22] ‹Calindu› That's the way I see it now, yeah
[20:40:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Either he's bluffing about there being a 2nd GA or he's lying about being blocked
[20:40:40] ‹shockcannon› ironic that I called out ian day1
[20:40:46] ‹shockcannon› and now everyone all of sudden wants to lynch ian
[20:40:51] ‹shockcannon› and here I am trying not to lynch anyone
[20:41:06] ‹Calindu› Sure, there are chances he's lying about being blocked in order to protect a power role
[20:41:08] ‹kaempfer13› ok fair, ian it is
[20:41:13] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› If you put it that way, it is ironic.
[20:41:21] ‹shockcannon› it's almost as if I was ahead of all the townies
[20:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› dont get too far ahead of yourself there shock
[20:41:40] ‹shockcannon› and here I am, still ahead and telling people not to lynch
[20:41:49] ‹shockcannon› for reals guys
[20:41:51] ‹shockcannon› i've taken a 180
[20:41:58] ‹shockcannon› I think lynching ian right now might not work out
[20:42:25] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› How so?
[20:42:34] ‹kaempfer13› should i hammer him even harder or can we let sub post yet
[20:42:46] ‹RootRanger› so day is still going because people keep voting every 5 minutes?
[20:42:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Sub pushed for no lynch last time and he turned out to be mafia...
[20:42:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Wassup root
[20:43:11] ‹RootRanger› can we stop acting like shockcannon is anything other than random noise
[20:43:29] ‹ddevans96› yep - prevents vote sniping at the very end, and let's town come to a consensus like they would in hammer-based mafia
[20:43:49] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We're trying to stall for an infodump by ian, but now we're wondering if it's worth it
[20:44:00] ‹shockcannon› The reason why I've been calling out ian all these past days when no one wanted to believe me is because I thought ddevans was also mafia
[20:44:12] ‹shockcannon› but the reason why you guys are voting up ian is because you think ddevans is town
[20:44:19] ‹RootRanger› "no one wanted to believe me"
[20:44:29] ‹kaempfer13› i am mostly pushing for lynches, it was the prime motivator of my vote, just said ian cant tell anything, but yh other than getting lastminute reads in we cant expect anything from him today anyway
[20:44:32] ‹RootRanger› yeah because you're making outrageous claims way beyond any info you could possibly have
[20:44:46] ‹RootRanger› you've never wanted to make yourself believable
[20:44:49] ‹Calindu› I find ian the most likely person to be mafia out of the 3 buses
[20:45:01] ‹Calindu› And no lynch doesn't help
[20:45:05] ‹shockcannon› outrageous claims?
[20:45:08] ‹kaempfer13› *sad*
[20:45:09] ‹shockcannon› literally ian is about to get lynched
[20:45:13] ‹shockcannon› and i'm not even one voting for him
[20:45:18] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Join in jcj
[20:45:20] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This is fun
[20:45:27] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› am i allowed to say that this mafia is hilarious?
[20:45:30] ‹RootRanger› outrageous claims = "blah blah is 100% mafia, blah blah blah is 95% mafia, etc."
[20:45:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› I can talk about maf to you yay
[20:45:39] ‹RootRanger› you do not have that information. stop talking.
[20:45:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› oRcHeStRaTe
[20:45:47] ‹shockcannon› lol
[20:45:49] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Someone should post chat logs after the timer avoids being reset.
[20:45:55] ‹ddevans96› O R C H E S T R A T E B T W
[20:46:05] ‹RootRanger› also who are the guests
[20:46:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› <-- Sub
[20:46:24] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› deathstalker is www
[20:46:27] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Deathstalker is www3
[20:46:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No idea who oty is
[20:46:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Wassup root
[20:46:38] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Oty is afk.
[20:46:43] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› so it doesn't matter to me :silly:
[20:46:49] ‹RootRanger› oki hey
[20:47:04] ‹RootRanger› Sub: are all these vote shenanigans considered stalling for time?
[20:47:16] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@RootRanger› Confirmed.
[20:47:47] ‹Calindu› What the hell
[20:47:51] ‹RootRanger› As in, will the round end *only* when 5 minutes have passed without voting
[20:47:54] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› LOL
[20:47:55] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› SHOCK
[20:47:57] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› IM DEAD
[20:48:13] ‹RootRanger› or will it end if there is someone clearly with the most votes
[20:48:16] ‹ddevans96› lmao
[20:48:18] ‹shockcannon› fuck it
[20:48:25] ‹ddevans96› If I was right the whole time, and shock is GN
[20:48:29] ‹shockcannon› this is going down as the greatest mafia game ever
[20:48:31] ‹ddevans96› I'm going to die laughing
[20:48:37] ‹RootRanger› shock isn't GN
[20:48:41] ‹RootRanger› and no, it isn't going to
[20:48:41] ‹Guest-Mummy-9c15a› <-moe because he can't operate computers.
[20:48:45] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ROFL
[20:48:50] ‹RootRanger› it's just a normal game being derailed, again
[20:49:00] ‹Calindu› I reset the timer again
[20:49:11] ‹Calindu› 5 more minutes to process the new info
[20:49:46] ‹RootRanger› There is no new info
[20:49:55] ‹Calindu› Why would you push a lynch on ian if you are GN
[20:50:01] ‹Calindu› You probably investigated him N0
[20:50:02] ‹shockcannon› alright
[20:50:04] ‹shockcannon› i legit need to go
[20:50:07] ‹shockcannon› i really hope ian doesn't die
[20:50:15] ‹shockcannon› i strongly advise no lynch
[20:50:18] ‹shockcannon› but do what you want
[20:50:21] ‹shockcannon› i'm not reseting timer anymore
[20:50:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[20:50:29] ‹RootRanger› If he is genuinely GN, he's playing badly enough to be considered to be throwing the game
[20:50:46] ‹RootRanger› Lowkey I hope he is so this can be considered grounds for barring him from future mafias, but eh, he's probably just a normal civ
[20:50:47] ‹Calindu› I can't really trust shock either
[20:51:12] ‹Calindu› He pushed the ian lynch way too much for this to make sense
[20:51:29] ‹RootRanger› He literally just wants attention
[20:51:47] ‹RootRanger› I called him out for it last game but I'm no longer phoenix-god anymore, so voting on him this round didn't really do much
[20:51:53] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› hahaha
[20:51:55] ‹Calindu› Thoughts, everyone?
[20:52:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I don't think any multiples of 90 can convince me...
[20:52:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol
[20:52:34] ‹ddevans96› honestly? I'm gonna choose to believe he's telling the truth and my hunch that he was GN was right. it probably isn't, but the thought of that scenario is hilarious
[20:53:44] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› How do you explain the aggressive push on ian, then?
[20:53:46] ‹RootRanger› So at this point I'm unsure if we even have a Psion, but if we do, and we find out that shock is lying about GN, can we pleaseeeeeeee lynch him the next day
[20:54:00] ‹ddevans96› shock being an idiot and a wildcard
[20:54:06] ‹ddevans96› literally, there is no logic with him
[20:54:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› did you mean to put your vote onto iancu?
[20:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc his number was raised from 4 to 5
[20:54:37] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Please update the correct vote count.
[20:54:41] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Cal missed a number.
[20:54:59] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I wanted it on ian
[20:55:01] ‹Calindu› My bad
[20:55:37] ‹MasterWalks› ian isnt going to give us anything. i think we need to lynch someone and finish the day up
[20:55:51] ‹MasterWalks› he might if hes lynched
[20:56:02] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@moehrpi› Responding to your earlier question again, yeah, this certainly is an event.
[20:56:03] ‹RootRanger› @Calindu what was your opposition to IW?
[20:56:06] ‹MasterWalks› but hes not going to give us any info to prevent lynch i bet
[20:56:21] ‹RootRanger› ian has also told us all he can
[20:56:23] ‹RootRanger› He was roleblocked twice
[20:56:30] ‹RootRanger› Whatever role he is, he hasn't gotten info out of it
[20:56:33] ‹RootRanger› All he would have is hunches
[20:56:39] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I don't think he's mafia, him guarding dd as mafia doesn't make that much sense
[20:56:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› why is your vote still on insig?
[20:56:59] ‹MasterWalks› you still think he is mafia
[20:57:03] ‹ddevans96› bc I moved it back
[20:57:06] ‹Calindu› I posted this about 20 minutes ago: [19:38:25] ‹Calindu› This is a quote from ian's posts: "Anyway, tonight I'm going to need some protection to get some more info. @2nd GA, protect me tonight please. You know who you are."
[20:57:35] ‹MasterWalks› because you think hes maf or to extend timer?
[20:57:44] ‹ddevans96› timer
[20:57:57] ‹Calindu› Ian being roleblocked twice means ian has no idea if there is a 2nd GA
[20:57:58] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› we need a ruling on Cal's votes
[20:58:09] ‹RootRanger› Aye
[20:58:15] ‹ddevans96› bc the correction that actually shows his vote was after the 5-minute mark
[20:58:17] ‹RootRanger› ian and shock are both not making sense
[20:58:29] ‹RootRanger› which normally i'd attribute to being mafia, but that's also how they played last game so idk
[20:58:30] ‹ddevans96› I bet iancu and shock are both mafia
[20:58:34] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› If I do end up making out of this alive, someone protecc me plz
[20:58:47] ‹RootRanger› so the one upside to the ian lynch is that it's a 2-for-1 if we're correct
[20:58:48] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I did update 2 numbers, and everyone understood that I wanted to vote on ian
[20:59:02] ‹RootRanger› as in, the best case is that we kill 2 mafia, the worst case is that we kill 2 civs
[20:59:37] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shouldnt mafia making more sense be logical?
[20:59:56] ‹RootRanger› So the basic idea is that mafia is forced to lie while civs are not
[20:59:56] ‹ddevans96› yeah, the intent was clear
[21:00:00] ‹ddevans96› so I think it should be fine
[21:00:04] ‹kaempfer13› bc they know so much more and can tell each other what to do
[21:00:06] ‹RootRanger› Which means civs should have no difficulty making sense, but it's harder for mafia
[21:00:21] ‹RootRanger› The problem with *Elements* mafia is that half the players have difficulty making sense regardless of alignment
[21:00:48] ‹RootRanger› God this is making me vile lol
[21:00:57] ‹RootRanger› I'm just annoyed at shock for ruining the game
[21:01:00] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› the problem of assuming everyone is perfectly logical
[21:01:07] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Pls join next mafia everyone. I want to play in one. Kthnx
[21:01:12] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› We passed the 1 hour mark!
[21:01:14] ‹RootRanger› They are, for the right games
[21:01:18] ‹ddevans96› I don't think the game is ruined, tbh
[21:01:19] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› The votes have been reset for a full hour.
[21:01:21] ‹RootRanger› Or with the right groups
[21:01:22] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Just incredible.
[21:01:35] ‹ddevans96› it's just someone playing as chaotic as possible
[21:01:35] ‹RootRanger› It's not ruined, it's just...worse
[21:01:48] ‹moehrpi› Guess iancu dies without a dump.
[21:02:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› S-H-I-T
[21:02:06] ‹RootRanger› He dumped everything as is
[21:02:08] ‹Calindu› I don't think there's any info dump
[21:02:10] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You know what will
[21:02:11] ‹RootRanger› He was roleblocked twice
[21:02:18] ‹RootRanger› He has no hard info
[21:02:46] ‹kaempfer13› although in my case it was mostly just not thinking far enough and going of the 2 premises that town talks and town doesnt hinder each other that my odd behaviour stemmed from
[21:02:47] ‹moehrpi› ‹@RootRanger› dd only claimed his role and people moved their votes away from him.
[21:02:48] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Time up?
[21:02:51] ‹ddevans96› day is now over, if I'm not mistaken
[21:02:59] ‹RootRanger› Yeah, time's up
[21:03:10] ‹ddevans96› wow, this was intense
[21:03:16] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[21:03:27] ‹moehrpi› ggwp everyone.
[21:03:31] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› we live another day - rejoice
[21:03:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› LOL
[21:03:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› AHAHAHAHAHA
[21:03:38] ‹RootRanger› iancu was all 4 of the mafia using one account, we won
[21:03:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› THIS IS FUNNY
[21:03:41] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Post first part of chatlogs.
[21:03:43] ‹Calindu› Oh, rip
[21:03:54] ‹Espithel› Oh.
[21:03:54] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› vagman was the mafia all along
[21:03:55] ‹kaempfer13› and ian was town psion, gj
[21:04:04] ‹Espithel› Oh FUCK it's end of phase already?
[21:04:08] ‹Calindu› He was Oty
[21:04:12] ‹Espithel› I thought that was tomorrow
[21:04:12] ‹kaempfer13› well almost
[21:04:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Oh shit we found confirmed oty
[21:04:32] ‹RootRanger› Why the fuck was he trying to use his ability on N0
[21:04:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› too bad he was town tho
[21:04:38] ‹RootRanger› sry for profanity but COME ON buddy
[21:04:45] ‹RootRanger› Oh hi ian
[21:04:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@iancudorinmarian› bruh
[21:04:46] ‹MasterWalks› well we lynched scum town
[21:04:51] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Ahaha was
[21:04:55] ‹kaempfer13› alright that makes insig indirectly suspicious for potentially framing an oty
[21:05:00] ‹RootRanger› Nothing personal, aye?
[21:05:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› shit
[21:05:04] ‹Calindu› If Fate Egg dies, does it flip Fate Egg, or the ability of that night?
[21:05:21] ‹RootRanger› Ah calin is asking the right questions
[21:05:24] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› It flips Fate Egg. That's what happened when I died last round
[21:05:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› *last mafia
[21:05:29] ‹MasterWalks› fate egg still reveals as fate egg and the role it had
[21:05:31] ‹RootRanger› That would actually explain a lot
[21:05:36] ‹RootRanger› Oh :/ right
[21:05:36] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› It is different.
[21:05:39] ‹ddevans96› 'you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. '
[21:05:47] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Read the role description.
[21:05:55] ‹ddevans96› so I would bet good money that the FE/Oty theory is correct
[21:06:50] ‹RootRanger› do we think he was lying about being roleblocked to try to draw out info?
[21:07:00] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› holy shit day 2 lasted 13 pages
[21:07:13] ‹ddevans96› he could have been
[21:07:14] ‹RootRanger› Oh wow
[21:07:17] ‹RootRanger› So he was FE
[21:07:19] ‹RootRanger› likely
[21:07:35] ‹ddevans96› that seems to make the most sense
[21:08:06] ‹Calindu› Him being Oty and trying to use that ability makes no sense, so most likely he was FE
[21:08:23] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› im not sure if someone asked yet, but what exactly were you trying to achieve by revealing dd was targeted by oty?
[21:08:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Basically to confirm we have an Oty. Probably not the best choice
[21:09:17] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› does iancu flipping town change your opinion that I'm likely town after the Anubis claim?
[21:09:42] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I'm not sure now, because there's a high change he was the one targeting you
[21:10:47] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:10:56] ‹Calindu› So IW blocked ian's Otyugh on dd, I believe that makes the most sense
[21:11:16] ‹ddevans96› I would have had no way to assume he was targeting me
[21:11:36] ‹ddevans96› and remember I thought he was town
[21:12:48] ‹ddevans96› but yeah, I should not be treated as free of suspicion just bc of the Anubis claim
[21:13:05] ‹Calindu› Yeah, but him targeting you makes the most sense
[21:13:16] ‹Calindu› And the question is: why would he target you?
[21:13:26] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I would assume a scumread...
[21:13:36] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks I'm mafia
[21:13:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Iannnnn
[21:13:46] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› We can talk
[21:13:50] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› About maf yay
[21:13:54] ‹Calindu› But ian saved you both times in the end
[21:13:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@iancudorinmarian› sorry man
[21:13:59] ‹RootRanger› @ian I take back the "come on buddy" now that I realize you could have been fate egg, sry :p
[21:14:08] ‹Calindu› So this doesn't make any sense either
[21:14:37] ‹ddevans96› only the first round
[21:15:06] ‹ddevans96› maybe that situation changed his read from town/neutral to mafia
[21:15:09] ‹Calindu› True, but him and you started the train on IW
[21:16:21] ‹ddevans96› this is true
[21:16:25] ‹MasterWalks› did ian vote on insig before or after insigs reveal?
[21:17:00] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› on another note, shock is not infinitely unreliable
[21:17:43] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› After
[21:17:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› shock is guaranteed to be 100% unreliable
[21:18:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:18:10] ‹RootRanger› https://i.imgur.com/FtnSo3T.png
[21:18:12] ‹kaempfer13› claim both mafia and town for ian with confidence each
[21:18:13] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› *now
[21:18:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› For the record, I had info
[21:18:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:18:42] ‹RootRanger› shock is mathematically infinitely unreliable
[21:18:54] ‹RootRanger› i can explain the stats in more detail if you guys want
[21:18:59] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, I still have, but its with me in the gravw
[21:19:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Grave
[21:19:11] ‹MasterWalks› if ian voted insig after insigs reveal, its very likely he targeted him just cuz he was blocked
[21:19:11] ‹RootRanger› in the gravy lol
[21:19:50] ‹Calindu› ‹@iancudorinmarian› I don't think you should have revealed that, you still revealed info now
[21:20:11] ‹RootRanger› So
[21:20:17] ‹RootRanger› ian said there was another GA right?
[21:20:20] ‹kaempfer13› what are we gonna do, modkill him?
[21:20:26] ‹RootRanger› Like he said it like it was a true statement, rather than a speculation
[21:20:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› Revealed info by revealing I had info :sillyspin:
[21:21:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Oaaaaa
[21:21:33] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s a party of dead civs
[21:21:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Welcome
[21:21:38] ‹ddevans96› eh, that doesn't say anything tbh
[21:21:40] ‹ddevans96› it's whatever
[21:22:07] ‹MasterWalks› create a discord channel for dead civs so that when i die, we can all figure out mafia on our own
[21:22:23] ‹ddevans96› I think we should believe that iancu knew of a second GA
[21:22:32] ‹ddevans96› it's either that or a bluff
[21:22:35] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Who died?
[21:22:49] ‹RootRanger› And if there's another GA, it could still be mafia, too :/
[21:22:59] ‹PlayerOa› So much to catch up on :<
[21:23:18] ‹RootRanger› ian died, he was a a *cough fate egg* otyugh
[21:23:33] ‹PlayerOa› Town?
[21:23:37] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yh
[21:23:39] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Town
[21:23:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› You should read up the last few pages. Interesting stuff
[21:24:01] ‹PlayerOa› F
[21:24:08] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah I'm on it
[21:25:53] ‹PlayerOa› N1 death is so boring :ermm:
[21:27:24] ‹Jen-i› A hoi hoi
[21:27:28] ‹RootRanger› heya
[21:27:53] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Exactly one elemental and 0 mafia start as a GA.
[21:28:09] ‹Espithel› If there's a second GA, then it can only be via endow, fate egg, or scavenge. We can toss scavenge off the list.
[21:28:24] ‹Calindu› Nope
[21:28:28] ‹Calindu› ‹@Jen-i› Hey Jen
[21:28:33] ‹Espithel› No?
[21:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, that's GN
[21:28:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› GN =/= GA
[21:28:39] ‹Espithel› That's what the role says.
[21:28:42] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› Yeah, that's for GN
[21:28:44] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:28:44] ‹ddevans96› Guardian Angel - ER Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles that target them this Night. This ability fails if the target was Healed by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.
[21:29:01] ‹Espithel› STOP USING ALL THE WEIRD FUCKING ABBREVIATIONS THAT LOOK THE EXACT SAME
[21:29:02] ‹Espithel› YOU NONCES
[21:29:11] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU'VE MADE ME WRONG THAT'S LITERALLY HITLER
[21:29:13] ‹ddevans96› I tried to just say 'Golden' but no one listened :silly:
[21:29:19] ‹Espithel› STOP MAKING ME SAY THINGS THAT ARE INCORRECT
[21:29:20] ‹Espithel› >:(
[21:29:24] ‹ddevans96› Espi is Hitler confirmed
[21:29:33] ‹ddevans96› vote Nein on him as chancellor
[21:29:48] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Is that a Secret Hitler reference?
[21:29:55] ‹ddevans96› (vote Ja on me, I'm never fascist :silly:)
[21:30:20] ‹ddevans96› haha, yeah
[21:30:22] ‹ddevans96› best game
[21:30:40] ‹Espithel› Secret hitler is p good.
[21:31:21] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Theme of Mafia 72 confirmed?
[21:31:37] ‹Espithel› Also, er, can I just point something out?
[21:31:49] ‹ddevans96› if we can figure out how to play Secret Hitler in forums I would be so happy
[21:31:52] ‹Espithel› There's 22 roles, yeah? And 19 players.
[21:31:54] ‹ddevans96› but I don't think it's viable
[21:32:15] ‹RootRanger› Oh I'm 1000% down for Secret Hitler instead of mafia
[21:32:17] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› 22 roles?
[21:32:22] ‹RootRanger› I think it can work actually
[21:32:24] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Nah man, there aren't 22 roles.
[21:32:28] ‹vagman13› yay ian lynched
[21:32:35] ‹vagman13› happy days ^_^
[21:32:36] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@vagman13› :(
[21:32:38] ‹RootRanger› It's a max of 10 players, yeah
[21:32:45] ‹RootRanger› You could run 2 games and split them up
[21:32:51] ‹RootRanger› In terms of timeframe, it works out tho
[21:32:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Game-losing lynch, I tell you
[21:32:59] ‹Espithel› No, I count 22
[21:33:08] ‹RootRanger› There's a max of 10 rounds, you just have to handle the ja/nein phase efficiently
[21:33:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Espithel› I count 23
[21:33:24] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@Espithel› Did you count Warden 3 times?
[21:33:37] ‹Espithel› Golden Nymph, Psion, Dragonfly, FFQ, Warden, Toadfish, Oty, Flayer, Warden, Angel, Grab-
[21:33:39] ‹Espithel› 21 roles
[21:33:45] ‹RootRanger› If you do 1 day for each ja/nein, and 1 day for each government, you can have it done in like ~30 days
[21:33:53] ‹Calindu› Oh, I counted warden 3 times
[21:33:55] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› Shrieker is not a role.
[21:34:08] ‹Calindu› And I also counted shrieker
[21:34:15] ‹Espithel› graboid, seraph, phoenix, anubis, green nymph, amber nymph, crusader, vulture, fate egg
[21:34:29] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› 20 roles.
[21:35:01] ‹Espithel› Oh, and squid and ghost
[21:35:02] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that might actually work out tbh
[21:35:05] ‹kaempfer13› if ian assumed a second ga was around for reasons with his role refer to my post
[21:35:17] ‹Espithel› And I counted warden twi
[21:35:19] ‹Espithel› OH FFS
[21:35:21] ‹Espithel› SUBMACHINE
[21:35:26] ‹Espithel› DON'T PUT A ROLE 3 TIMES
[21:35:28] ‹Espithel› YOU LITLE SHIT
[21:36:06] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› I am merely the host. The layout and roles were given to me by Linkcat. :whistling:
[21:36:35] ‹Espithel› THE POINT IS, THERE ARE MORE ROLES THAN THERE ARE PLAYERS - EVEN IF THERE WERE NO DUPLICATES, THERE'S SOME ROLES NOT IN THE GAME
[21:36:48] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:36:55] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[21:36:55] ‹ddevans96› Link did it last game too, tbf
[21:36:58] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
[21:37:05] ‹ddevans96› CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
[21:37:08] • Espithel coughs.
[21:37:16] ‹Espithel› And there's clearly some duplicates.
[21:37:26] ‹Espithel› So I'd wager around 1-3 roles aren't in the game.
[21:37:34] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Your face is a duplicate
[21:37:50] ‹Espithel› I actually really hate that there's duplicates
[21:37:56] ‹Espithel› "I'm a guardian angel!"
[21:38:02] ‹Espithel› \\"I'm also a guardian angel!"
[21:38:09] ‹Espithel› And one claim doesn't counter the other
[21:38:11] ‹Espithel› ew
[21:38:29] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I don't like duplicates either tbh
[21:38:54] ‹Espithel› Reason I'm pointing this out is I'm noticing a mass roleclaim, yeah?
[21:39:11] ‹Espithel› What if the abilities we want to claim aren't in the game?
[21:39:16] ‹Espithel› What if there's no psion, for instance?
[21:39:40] • Espithel coughs.
[21:39:48] ‹Espithel› Sorry for screaming at you Subbles. Please forgive. -w-
[21:39:51] ‹RootRanger› does anyone remember when people would have only primary roles and the roles would be d ifferent for mafia and civs
[21:40:01] ‹RootRanger› so you could just mass roleclaim and anyone who didn't have a duplicate role was guaranteed civ
[21:40:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yh
[21:40:20] ‹Espithel› Those were the days
[21:40:25] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[21:40:52] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[21:46:04] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› yes?
[21:47:16] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[21:47:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[21:47:35] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Arsenal or chelsea tonight
[21:48:20] ‹Mobian› Wait, so forum chat is now disallowed??
[21:48:49] ‹Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ‹@Mobian› Only forum chat PMs.
[21:48:53] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Mobian› Think he means chat PMs
[21:49:52] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MindFlayer-1ea56› ah, thanks for clarifying
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 09:30:49 pm
We're not getting anywhere as long as I'm alive and unchecked - you'll just focus the lynch on me and we won't be able to discuss anything else. If you think I'm mafia, prove it.
Post by: Linkcat on May 29, 2019, 10:19:54 pm
If iancu was Fate Egg then all of his roles would have been revealed like Insig's were last game.
Post by: shockcannon on May 29, 2019, 10:32:47 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 29, 2019, 10:34:40 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 11:26:57 pm
Ward- Target Espi PLEASE. He is mafia and i have reason to believe he may be a FFQ. Do NOT target kaempf
Psion- Target shock. If you know his role, you know how truthful his info dump will be. If you have already targeted him, target Linkcat. He is making confident decisions and i would like to know if that confidence is info gained or scum read gained. but shock has priority here.
FFQ- do whatever you want but you are strongest in the beginning of the game imo. Here soon, it may be a good idea to info dump what your fireflys have told you.
Flayer- Target kaempf. I dont think he is GN and i would like him stalled until he figure out a bit more about him.
GoldenNymph- I would also like you to target kaempf. Lets flush all the info we can out of him. He explained himself and pretty well but there is still something off about him. Im going to be brutally honest with you tho, if mafia has even the slightest hint that they know who you are, you will probably die tonight. You would be dumb to not use your ability N0 and now your ability is usable again this night.
Green Nymph- Target literally anybody who has not voted yet. Hitting graboid would be like hitting a treasure chest and will hide them even longer.
Crusader- Target dd. Anubis is an underrated skill and will help tremendously if dd gets NK'd.
@Espithel
Post by: MasterWalks on May 29, 2019, 11:43:17 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 01:23:37 am
dd's claim was bad, if he dies then we know what role he is. It's easy to just say "I have not targeted anyone yet" and keep hiding role in case you live.
More thoughts later
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 01:31:30 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 30, 2019, 01:45:15 am
I wasn't going to live without claiming. Like three different people all asked me to claim if I wanted to live.
'if he dies'
The point was to not die.
Post by: Espithel on May 30, 2019, 02:01:32 am
Target Espi PLEASE. He is mafia and i have reason to believe he may be a FFQ.
Ooooooooooooooooooh.
A third firefly queen?
Please tell me why you think that's the case.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 02:04:29 am
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 30, 2019, 02:05:38 am
Post by: shockcannon on May 30, 2019, 02:08:37 am
Post by: Espithel on May 30, 2019, 02:11:39 am
Because i think a mafia has FFQ. I also think you are mafia. So by process of elimination, i have deduced that you must have FFQ.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560243285147516929/575923435981635584/274911e619e09f4731d44eea8663d493.gif)
Post by: Linkcat on May 30, 2019, 02:13:01 am
Because i think a mafia has FFQ. I also think you are mafia.
I argued against this in chat, yet you still push this. Explain.
Post by: Espithel on May 30, 2019, 02:24:22 am
Who wants to take bets on who dies tonight?
We shouldn't do that, because then the mafia can just use who we name, kill them, and have the predictor look bad.
Therefore, I'm going to invoke a WIFOM. For shits and giggles.
Shockcannon is going to die tonight.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 02:45:55 am
'in case you live'
I wasn't going to live without claiming. Like three different people all asked me to claim if I wanted to live.
'if he dies'
The point was to not die.
My bad, there were no posts about it and the chatlog was too long
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 02:50:51 am
Because i think a mafia has FFQ. I also think you are mafia.
I argued against this in chat, yet you still push this. Explain.
The message im trying to get across is just block espi. Who else is more important to block? we got crap for leads right now. Flayer hits dd in case he lied about role and ward hits espi because he is maf. ez pz. I could honestly not care who targets who after that.
Post by: Espithel on May 30, 2019, 02:52:56 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 02:55:09 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 30, 2019, 05:54:20 am
My plan: I think GN and FFQ should target me - otherwise, I'm fine with the other investigative roles (and Crusader) looking elsewhere if they want. I would prefer as many as possible so the GN can blend in easier, however.
When you see me as town, my recommendation is to just try to be subtle - if you had a mafia read on me, use one of the many valid excuses presented to move yourself to neutral. Or from neutral to town. Or even don't change your public read, but just say you prefer a different lynch target. Play the same way you have been playing, just with the knowledge that I'm town. Don't even soft claim unless absolutely required. It clearly only takes a tiny bit to move the scales away from me, given that I've survived at the very end twice.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 06:07:58 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 30, 2019, 06:13:28 am
dd has been so close to lynch every day that while even the slightest disturbance has him avoid lynch, it could go the other way.
Requesting elaboration.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 06:16:55 am
It clearly only takes a tiny bit to move the scales away from me, given that I've survived at the very end twice.
This but vise versa. If you say anything remotely scummy, "the scales" will tip not in your favor. I still think next lynch will come down to another vote hopping session unless GN is lynched. And the hopping will be on you and someone else.
Post by: RootRanger on May 30, 2019, 06:22:13 am
That being said, publicizing desired GN targets isn't great either, since mafia can NK those targets.
We want the GN to have as many living former targets as possible upon roleclaiming. People mentioned 3 as a target number and I think this is reasonable - it would mean a Day 5 reveal in the best case. So, GN should target whoever he thinks is least likely to die - from lynch or NK alike.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 06:24:58 am
[19:03:09] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Ping, I guess
[19:03:45] ‹Linkcat› Someone post the chat log for today.
[19:05:02] ‹MasterWalks› i kinda want a mafia voice channel now. It would be slower, but easier to catch up on.
[19:05:10] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i responded
[19:06:14] ‹Espithel› Also, yeah
[19:06:16] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› Sign up as Boss.
[19:06:22] ‹Espithel› We need to have a big talk about allowing us talking in blab
[19:06:27] ‹Espithel› It's becoming a huge prob -
[19:06:32] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› But then I can't be with JCJ
[19:07:15] ‹Linkcat› We have to change to a discord channel.
[19:08:24] ‹Linkcat› We may*
[19:08:43] ‹Linkcat› For future mafias.
[19:13:18] ‹Mobian› ‹@Linkcat› That's my plan, or create a new blab channel solely for mafia
[19:14:05] ‹MasterWalks› doesnt discord auto delete messages once there have been a certain amount?
[19:14:46] ‹Espithel› Nope.
[19:14:53] ‹Mobian› Although, if we were to use a new blab channel, I would request no guest posting allowed
[19:15:02] ‹Espithel› I have a 2-year-long philosophical werewolf rp with my bae.
[19:15:07] ‹Espithel› I can go back to the very beginning
[19:15:08] ‹Espithel› Trust me
[19:15:11] ‹Espithel› Discord good
[19:15:58] ‹MasterWalks› well thats a sentence i have never hear before and probably never will again
[19:16:31] ‹Mobian› Damn furries :P
[19:16:42] ‹Espithel› Mate it's not even damn furries
[19:16:44] ‹Espithel› Seriously
[19:16:57] ‹Espithel› Imagine having a person inside of you that's equally inteligent, equally capable of thought
[19:17:02] ‹Espithel› Like
[19:17:15] ‹Espithel› If they're both equally sapient - they're both worthy of human consideration as equal
[19:17:20] ‹Espithel› And one of them does a crime.
[19:17:27] ‹Espithel› They're bound to each other. How do you punish the other?
[19:17:37] ‹Espithel› how do you *not* punish the other
[19:18:22] ‹mathman101›
(6d10) 5 + 4 + 6 + 7 + 5 + 5 = 32 ...
[19:18:33] ‹MasterWalks› Hey insig, can you translate weeb talk?
[19:18:33] ‹Espithel› Or, like
[19:18:43] ‹Espithel› Werewolves tend to be stronger than humans, yeah?
[19:19:04] ‹Espithel› How does that translate into societal norms if the wolf is of equal sapience and communication and has the same level of equality as a human?
[19:19:10] ‹Espithel› Should they have the same level of equality?
[19:19:25] ‹Espithel› What if it's a 60ft white-furred ocean-glassing death monster?
[19:19:28] ‹Espithel› Is it still equal?
[19:23:15] ‹Espithel› And don't even get me started on institutionalised pozzing
[19:24:06] ‹Mobian› I think I know MW's role....
[19:24:19] ‹Mobian› Based on how he's been talking
[19:25:01] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› guess
[19:25:22] ‹Mobian› Psion
[19:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› cool
[19:26:15] ‹Espithel› I can absolutely guarantee you he's not a psion.
[19:26:21] ‹Espithel› If he is, he's currently lying.
[19:26:32] ‹Espithel› And Walks isn't malevolent.
[19:29:24] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› How can you be certain?
[19:29:39] ‹Espithel› Because he things I'm an FFQ.
[19:29:42] ‹Espithel› I'm not an FFQ.
[19:29:53] ‹Espithel› So you have two options:
[19:29:58] ‹Espithel› Walks is a Psion, is lying about my role
[19:30:03] ‹Espithel› Or Walks isn't a Psion
[19:30:06] ‹Espithel› Pick one.
[19:30:25] ‹MasterWalks› or walks didnt target you
[19:30:48] ‹Mobian› Or, you are lying about your own role
[19:31:31] ‹Espithel› I suppose those are also possibilities.
[19:31:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 5 + 4 + 3 + 7 + 1 = 20 ...
[19:31:49] ‹Espithel› Yet, if he is a psion and didn't target me, er.
[19:31:53] ‹Espithel› Why not?
[19:33:53] ‹Espithel› Like, really. He thinks I'm scummy as fuck.
[19:37:58] ‹Espithel› Although, the mafia having two FFQ is interesting.
[19:38:04] ‹Espithel› One of the two*
[19:38:05] ‹Espithel› whoops
[19:38:55] ‹Mobian› We don't even know for sure if there ARE 2. I suspect one of them was a fate egg
[19:39:20] ‹Espithel› That's also a possibility.
[19:39:41] ‹Espithel› I guess we'll know tomorrow. If two are catched again, that's weird.
[19:40:22] ‹Mobian› Yup, but I doubt it. We're getting to the point where more people will be using their abilities
[19:43:14] ‹Espithel› We have three more shots at getting a scum, yeah.
[19:43:23] ‹Espithel› Before lynch or die, I mean.
[19:45:02] ‹Mobian› Hrmmmmm. We definitely want to be super careful with our lynches now. I'd rather not lose more townies
[19:56:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So we know a few roles now
[19:56:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's fun
[20:05:42] ‹Espithel› Oh!
[20:05:46] ‹Espithel› Before I forget!
[20:06:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› If I lie about my role, it'll contradict something I said on day 1. I'm honestly surprised no one's noticed it.
[20:24:53] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› What would that be?
[20:33:25] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› :^)
[19:03:45] ‹Linkcat› Someone post the chat log for today.
[19:05:02] ‹MasterWalks› i kinda want a mafia voice channel now. It would be slower, but easier to catch up on.
[19:05:10] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i responded
[19:06:14] ‹Espithel› Also, yeah
[19:06:16] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› Sign up as Boss.
[19:06:22] ‹Espithel› We need to have a big talk about allowing us talking in blab
[19:06:27] ‹Espithel› It's becoming a huge prob -
[19:06:32] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› But then I can't be with JCJ
[19:07:15] ‹Linkcat› We have to change to a discord channel.
[19:08:24] ‹Linkcat› We may*
[19:08:43] ‹Linkcat› For future mafias.
[19:13:18] ‹Mobian› ‹@Linkcat› That's my plan, or create a new blab channel solely for mafia
[19:14:05] ‹MasterWalks› doesnt discord auto delete messages once there have been a certain amount?
[19:14:46] ‹Espithel› Nope.
[19:14:53] ‹Mobian› Although, if we were to use a new blab channel, I would request no guest posting allowed
[19:15:02] ‹Espithel› I have a 2-year-long philosophical werewolf rp with my bae.
[19:15:07] ‹Espithel› I can go back to the very beginning
[19:15:08] ‹Espithel› Trust me
[19:15:11] ‹Espithel› Discord good
[19:15:58] ‹MasterWalks› well thats a sentence i have never hear before and probably never will again
[19:16:31] ‹Mobian› Damn furries :P
[19:16:42] ‹Espithel› Mate it's not even damn furries
[19:16:44] ‹Espithel› Seriously
[19:16:57] ‹Espithel› Imagine having a person inside of you that's equally inteligent, equally capable of thought
[19:17:02] ‹Espithel› Like
[19:17:15] ‹Espithel› If they're both equally sapient - they're both worthy of human consideration as equal
[19:17:20] ‹Espithel› And one of them does a crime.
[19:17:27] ‹Espithel› They're bound to each other. How do you punish the other?
[19:17:37] ‹Espithel› how do you *not* punish the other
[19:18:22] ‹mathman101›
(6d10) 5 + 4 + 6 + 7 + 5 + 5 = 32 ...
[19:18:33] ‹MasterWalks› Hey insig, can you translate weeb talk?
[19:18:33] ‹Espithel› Or, like
[19:18:43] ‹Espithel› Werewolves tend to be stronger than humans, yeah?
[19:19:04] ‹Espithel› How does that translate into societal norms if the wolf is of equal sapience and communication and has the same level of equality as a human?
[19:19:10] ‹Espithel› Should they have the same level of equality?
[19:19:25] ‹Espithel› What if it's a 60ft white-furred ocean-glassing death monster?
[19:19:28] ‹Espithel› Is it still equal?
[19:23:15] ‹Espithel› And don't even get me started on institutionalised pozzing
[19:24:06] ‹Mobian› I think I know MW's role....
[19:24:19] ‹Mobian› Based on how he's been talking
[19:25:01] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› guess
[19:25:22] ‹Mobian› Psion
[19:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› cool
[19:26:15] ‹Espithel› I can absolutely guarantee you he's not a psion.
[19:26:21] ‹Espithel› If he is, he's currently lying.
[19:26:32] ‹Espithel› And Walks isn't malevolent.
[19:29:24] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› How can you be certain?
[19:29:39] ‹Espithel› Because he things I'm an FFQ.
[19:29:42] ‹Espithel› I'm not an FFQ.
[19:29:53] ‹Espithel› So you have two options:
[19:29:58] ‹Espithel› Walks is a Psion, is lying about my role
[19:30:03] ‹Espithel› Or Walks isn't a Psion
[19:30:06] ‹Espithel› Pick one.
[19:30:25] ‹MasterWalks› or walks didnt target you
[19:30:48] ‹Mobian› Or, you are lying about your own role
[19:31:31] ‹Espithel› I suppose those are also possibilities.
[19:31:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 5 + 4 + 3 + 7 + 1 = 20 ...
[19:31:49] ‹Espithel› Yet, if he is a psion and didn't target me, er.
[19:31:53] ‹Espithel› Why not?
[19:33:53] ‹Espithel› Like, really. He thinks I'm scummy as fuck.
[19:37:58] ‹Espithel› Although, the mafia having two FFQ is interesting.
[19:38:04] ‹Espithel› One of the two*
[19:38:05] ‹Espithel› whoops
[19:38:55] ‹Mobian› We don't even know for sure if there ARE 2. I suspect one of them was a fate egg
[19:39:20] ‹Espithel› That's also a possibility.
[19:39:41] ‹Espithel› I guess we'll know tomorrow. If two are catched again, that's weird.
[19:40:22] ‹Mobian› Yup, but I doubt it. We're getting to the point where more people will be using their abilities
[19:43:14] ‹Espithel› We have three more shots at getting a scum, yeah.
[19:43:23] ‹Espithel› Before lynch or die, I mean.
[19:45:02] ‹Mobian› Hrmmmmm. We definitely want to be super careful with our lynches now. I'd rather not lose more townies
[19:56:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So we know a few roles now
[19:56:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's fun
[20:05:42] ‹Espithel› Oh!
[20:05:46] ‹Espithel› Before I forget!
[20:06:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› If I lie about my role, it'll contradict something I said on day 1. I'm honestly surprised no one's noticed it.
[20:24:53] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› What would that be?
[20:33:25] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› :^)
Small one. Mostly role guesses, more talks on multiple FFQs, and a ton of weird werewolf philosophy.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 30, 2019, 06:27:04 am
We want the GN to have as many living former targets as possible upon roleclaiming. People mentioned 3 as a target number and I think this is reasonable - it would mean a Day 5 reveal in the best case. So, GN should target whoever he thinks is least likely to die - from lynch or NK alike.
What if GN finds 2 mafia at the end of the night, should that warrant a post? I think outing half the mafia will give town enough boost to win without a GN.
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 06:29:19 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 30, 2019, 06:42:10 am
If you say anything remotely scummy, "the scales" will tip not in your favor. I still think next lynch will come down to another vote hopping session unless GN is lynched. And the hopping will be on you and someone else.
He's saying GN shouldn't target someone who is likely to die soon.
Then make me not likely to die soon. Mafia would be idiotic to NK me right now, it gives town so much to work with. So just don't lynch me.
I realize I'm probably not going to convince anyone, but if I was a bystander in this situation, I would be borderline positive I'm town. If I'm mafia and I've lived under heavy scrutiny for two rounds, with none of the mafia giving themselves away as keeping me alive, and no confirmation that I'm mafia, town just straight up deserves to lose. I don't think there's any way this town could be that bad.
If people don't want to investigate me, I'm going to at least ask that they investigate IW. He meets MW's 'more quiet semi sketchy person' criteria.
Post by: Linkcat on May 30, 2019, 06:59:37 am
He's saying GN shouldn't target someone who is likely to die soon. This makes sense, because it would make the GN target less useful. Keep in mind that a GN reveal tomorrow is likely still not the best play, in which case we'd have no surefire way of ensuring that ddevans isn't lynched if GN discovers he's civ. In other words, if GN checks dd tomorrow and finds he's civ, then town tries to lynch dd, GN can either 1.) roleclaim (bad idea) or 2.) drop hints/do nothing (dd could die anyways, in which case GN has no useful info anymore).
That being said, publicizing desired GN targets isn't great either, since mafia can NK those targets.
We want the GN to have as many living former targets as possible upon roleclaiming. People mentioned 3 as a target number and I think this is reasonable - it would mean a Day 5 reveal in the best case. So, GN should target whoever he thinks is least likely to die - from lynch or NK alike.
This is the first Root post that I actually like, agree with all of it.
Post by: shockcannon on May 30, 2019, 07:08:47 am
I'm personally going to treat ddevans as confirmed town from now on. I'm okay losing if ddevans turns out to be mafia after all he's done.
Post by: Linkcat on May 30, 2019, 07:21:35 am
If you say anything remotely scummy, "the scales" will tip not in your favor. I still think next lynch will come down to another vote hopping session unless GN is lynched. And the hopping will be on you and someone else.He's saying GN shouldn't target someone who is likely to die soon.
Then make me not likely to die soon. Mafia would be idiotic to NK me right now, it gives town so much to work with. So just don't lynch me.
I realize I'm probably not going to convince anyone, but if I was a bystander in this situation, I would be borderline positive I'm town. If I'm mafia and I've lived under heavy scrutiny for two rounds, with none of the mafia giving themselves away as keeping me alive, and no confirmation that I'm mafia, town just straight up deserves to lose. I don't think there's any way this town could be that bad.
If people don't want to investigate me, I'm going to at least ask that they investigate IW. He meets MW's 'more quiet semi sketchy person' criteria.
Disagree, Day 1 and 2 are always a mess and it's believable that you avoided the lynch both days without any of your teammates putting themselves out there. You're good enough to not crack under pressure or show obvious scumtells. There would only be 3 other mafia, and 14-15 town. Mafia doesn't have much impact on the lynch early on. There could easily be one mafia bussing, one in the non-voters, and one on any player but you, and we wouldn't be able to pinpoint one just like that if you got lynched. If you were mafia I would not blame town at all, there's not much to go on this early. Being mafia doesn't magically make you easier to lynch.
Post by: Submachine on May 30, 2019, 07:38:09 am
I also mix in some clarifications and answers to questions.
- If an OU ability fails, you may use it again. (Did not change, just an answer to a question.)
- There are no messages of "You have been blocked." There are only messages of "Your ability failed."
- Fate Egg mechanics change! Now Fate Egg as a secondary role is revealed on death. I will retroactively update the second post's death table if any Fate Eggs died already.
- Obsession has lower priority than Heal. I will update the role priority to reflect this.
Give me 2 minutes to update everything.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 30, 2019, 07:43:29 am
Disagree, Day 1 and 2 are always a mess and it's believable that you avoided the lynch both days without any of your teammates putting themselves out there. You're good enough to not crack under pressure or show obvious scumtells. There would only be 3 other mafia, and 14-15 town. Mafia doesn't have much impact on the lynch early on. There could easily be one mafia bussing, one in the non-voters, and one on any player but you, and we wouldn't be able to pinpoint one just like that if you got lynched. If you were mafia I would not blame town at all, there's not much to go on this early. Being mafia doesn't magically make you easier to lynch.
Yeah. I guess you're right. I'm just really demoralized. Thanks for the compliments, I suppose.
Post by: Mobian on May 30, 2019, 08:27:32 am
[00:18:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Mobian› can you log your conversation with Espi earlier?
[00:18:25] ‹ddevans96› history isn't loading for me
[00:18:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I agree. T Storm is either super effective or a dead card.
[00:19:13] ‹MasterWalks› dont think its ever really worth running 6 in a deck for this reason
[00:20:43] ‹MasterWalks› If mobian doesnt log i can. Itll be a pain in the butt for me since my 12 lives happened at the same time so i will have to delete a ton of PMs
[00:21:36] ‹ddevans96› can turn PMs off
[00:21:42] ‹ddevans96› look at green buttons at the top
[00:21:51] ‹ddevans96› can also turn everything but actual chat off
[00:21:52] ‹MasterWalks› oh yea huh
[00:21:59] ‹MasterWalks› ill post it now then
[00:22:13] ‹ddevans96› first time I've ever used half of them was an earlier log tbh
[00:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[00:25:29] ‹MasterWalks› I just keep L/J turned off. I never touched any of the others
[00:26:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[00:28:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[00:30:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[00:33:30] ‹MasterWalks› What does that mean?
[00:33:39] ‹MasterWalks› WPSIC
[00:34:28] ‹kaempfer13› what people say in chat
[00:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. With a name like that... it has to be good.
[00:48:51] ‹ddevans96› my head hurts
[00:48:54] ‹ddevans96› mafia too intense
[00:52:44] ‹MasterWalks› this mafia>last mafia
[00:53:06] ‹ddevans96› true
[00:58:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I've pieced some things together, including Shock's role, and some more stuff regarding the dd IW iancu trio
[00:58:30] ‹ddevans96› ye?
[00:59:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Better not to say Shock's role, there's probably a reason he hasn't told everyone yet
[00:59:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Can't exactly confirm it either
[01:00:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[01:00:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But since Ian was town Oty, we assume that it was Ian who targeted dd
[01:00:42] ‹ddevans96› shock is GN. I'm convinced
[01:00:52] ‹ddevans96› I don't really care if I'm wrong at this point, I'll lean into it
[01:00:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm not
[01:01:20] ‹ddevans96› I was like 60% sure of it long before he claimed it
[01:01:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There are other ways he can be sure of Ian and your relationship
[01:02:15] ‹ddevans96› it's not about that
[01:02:46] ‹ddevans96› my suspicions had nothing to do with either iancu or me
[01:03:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Anyway, since it was town Oty, we rule out M/M/M trio
[01:03:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And I doubt Warden would target mafia
[01:03:27] ‹ddevans96› was there actually a legitimately belief that all three of us were mafia?
[01:03:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yo I just joined
[01:03:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hell yeah it's a party now
[01:03:46] ‹MasterWalks› there was a hope
[01:03:54] ‹MasterWalks› we wanted mega bussing
[01:04:04] ‹ddevans96› I mean, understandable
[01:04:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Very very slim chance but it would have been cool
[01:04:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I still doubt that 2 super aggressive town roles targeted the same player
[01:05:05] ‹ddevans96› the same player who half the game wants killed and the other half thinks is town?
[01:05:10] ‹ddevans96› nah, I don't doubt that
[01:05:36] ‹ddevans96› it means they're not both mafia, that's about it
[01:05:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That wasn't the case at N1
[01:05:45] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› if you know shocks role, can we be expected to believe his info dump?
[01:05:55] ‹ddevans96› was it not?
[01:06:27] ‹ddevans96› I mean, not as extreme, but there were definitely a number of people suspicious enough of me to go for it
[01:06:31] ‹ddevans96› 5-7 people
[01:06:42] ‹ddevans96› maybe more that didn't explicitly say
[01:07:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Tbh I'm still suspicious of mafia Egg
[01:07:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which would mean Shock is mafia alongside a Psion
[01:07:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And Ian didn't use ability
[01:08:56] ‹ddevans96› still a possibility, yeah
[01:09:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So the people who pushed lynch on Ian, who conveniently voted for dd
[01:09:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some would be mafia
[01:10:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Enjoy!
[01:10:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Knowing that they could blame ian for the Oty kill
[01:10:24] ‹ddevans96› wtf I love shock now
[01:10:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This line of thinking also puts dd as town
[01:11:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Yes
[01:11:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he flips town
[01:11:31] ‹shockcannon› does immaterial block night kill?
[01:11:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› No
[01:11:38] ‹ddevans96› no
[01:11:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Only offensive abilities
[01:12:01] ‹ddevans96› well, all secondary abilities
[01:12:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Well yeah
[01:13:08] ‹shockcannon› I dont think ian lied about being blocked n0
[01:13:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also MW is going to be happy but I have suspicions of Espithel being mafia
[01:13:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Not enough to warrant me voting for him, but he's someone I'm looking at
[01:14:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Assuming I'm correct about his role as well
[01:14:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I sound like Shock, don't I
[01:15:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› Why would he? He flipped town
[01:15:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[01:16:02] ‹MasterWalks› omg
[01:16:11] ‹MasterWalks› can you back me up on getting him blocked?
[01:16:37] ‹shockcannon› i think i'm dying tonight
[01:16:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› I will carry on your legacy
[01:17:05] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› give us a mini info dump just in case you do
[01:17:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why would Ian use his ability N0
[01:17:18] ‹MasterWalks› wait until the last hour of the night if you have to
[01:18:14] ‹shockcannon› I left a back up in one of my many previous posts
[01:18:24] ‹shockcannon› it'll only make sense if I die though
[01:18:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Submachine› If Oty is blocked, do they keep the ability?
[01:18:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[01:18:56] ‹MasterWalks› cmon, something more straight forward would be so nice
[01:18:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia doesn't need a Psion
[01:19:35] ‹shockcannon› If I die
[01:19:46] ‹shockcannon› look through my past posts
[01:19:51] ‹shockcannon› the info is there
[01:19:54] ‹Submachine› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› If an OU ability fails, it is refunded, if that's what you want to know.
[01:20:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Damn
[01:20:21] ‹Submachine› By the way, there are no messages of "You have been blocked." There are only messages of "Your ability failed."
[01:20:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› dd claims to have not targeted anyone
[01:20:51] ‹MasterWalks› also, is it confirmed that ian was not fate egg?
[01:20:55] ‹Submachine› And Fate Egg is never revealed when killed, it's in the role description.
[01:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› hmmmmm... not according to link
[01:21:41] ‹Submachine› Well... He didn't clarify that before Night 0 ended.
[01:21:51] ‹MasterWalks› Fair
[01:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[01:22:05] ‹ddevans96› I guess he didn't feel like he needed to, bc FE was revealed on death last game, with the same wording
[01:22:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Submachine› it has the same wording as last game
[01:22:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And Egg had all roles revealed on death
[01:22:29] ‹Submachine› That is true, which I admit I found super weird, but not questioned it.
[01:22:48] ‹Submachine› *did not question it
[01:23:15] ‹Submachine› Should I make a role change on Night 2? I think the game can go on as normal with this change.
[01:23:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Submachine› It says 'or revealed' because of the old GotP.
[01:23:45] ‹ddevans96› did it affect anything besides iancu's death reveal?
[01:23:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You can make that change
[01:23:55] ‹ddevans96› if no, then I think it's safe to treat it the way Link did last game
[01:23:57] ‹Linkcat› Insig was Fate Egg last mafia and all his roles were revealed when he died.
[01:24:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I want to know if ian was egg
[01:24:21] ‹ddevans96› (for future mafias - should say 'revealed by a role')
[01:24:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ^
[01:24:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I hope Ian was Oty
[01:24:55] ‹Linkcat› I didn't consider a flip as the same as revealing.
[01:25:22] ‹Submachine› There's the misunderstanding then. I didn't call it a flip, i assumed that was the reveal.
[01:25:46] ‹Submachine› All dead players may or may not have been Fate Eggs. :sillyspin:
[01:25:56] ‹Linkcat› lol
[01:26:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Are you making the change then aaaa
[01:26:09] ‹ddevans96› bastard mod :silly:
[01:26:57] ‹Submachine› I prefer not making further changes unless really necessary. I hoped we could clear up everything by the end of Night 0.
[01:27:12] ‹Submachine› But I *CAN* make this change if it's demanded.
[01:27:38] ‹MasterWalks› I demand
[01:27:45] ‹Linkcat› All rules should be kept consistent with the previous game.
[01:27:57] ‹shockcannon› i dont think it makes a difference
[01:28:17] ‹MasterWalks› hush my shock child
[01:28:33] ‹Submachine› Fine then.
[01:28:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Thank
[01:28:52] ‹Submachine› But don't forget to post the related chatlog.
[01:28:56] ‹shockcannon› im still pissed i role revealed
[01:29:01] ‹shockcannon› and we still lynched ian
[01:29:17] ‹Submachine› I might also add the other thing Link told me to change.
[01:29:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You did that N0 with Flayer duh
[01:29:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or whenever that was
[01:29:50] ‹Linkcat› Maybe we would've believed you if you weren't shock.
[01:30:41] ‹shockcannon› my gamble woud've worked perfectly if i was just slightly less aggressive about ian
[01:30:45] ‹Linkcat› Heal vs Obsession? That's a necessity, those abilities need to be ordered.
[01:33:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm leaving after Sub posts
[01:33:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I want to go home and eat
[01:33:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Submachine› Also, Coffee is due for a modkill if he doesn't post tonight.
[01:33:36] ‹Linkcat› I would really like to not have a modkill this time.
[01:34:06] ‹MasterWalks› mod kills suck. Even if its mafia it feels wrong
[01:35:45] ‹ddevans96› does him talking in chat about mafia not count?
[01:36:38] ‹Linkcat› Not with the current wording.
[01:37:36] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay
[01:40:00] ‹Submachine› There you go.
[01:40:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[01:40:25] ‹Submachine› Also, it's a good point. Chat might as well count as talking in the topic..
[01:41:01] ‹ddevans96› nah, it shouldn't
[01:41:35] ‹Submachine› So, there. you guys already killed two Fate Eggs.
[01:42:09] ‹Linkcat› Real shit?
[01:42:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Everyone is a Fate Egg
[01:42:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› We're really playing Easter Hunt
[01:42:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sub is bastard mod
[01:43:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› We aren't searching for mafia, we're searching for eggs
[01:43:09] ‹Submachine› Everyone may or may not be Fate Eggs. :silly:
[01:43:50] ‹Linkcat› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› You could be a Fate Egg.
[01:43:59] ‹Linkcat› dd could be a Fate Egg.
[01:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. I found Waldo.
[01:44:03] ‹Linkcat› I could be a Fate Egg.
[01:46:36] ‹Submachine› I stay silent now, because I feel like I interrupted strategizing.
[01:46:45] ‹Mobian› Well, shit.
[01:46:55] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[01:46:56] ‹ddevans96› are you fucking
[01:47:02] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[01:47:26] ‹Mobian› I think we fucked this game up hella bad
[01:48:23] ‹Submachine› This is what happens when you change the rules mid-game.
[01:48:24] ‹Vineroz› mafia is hella bad \o/
[01:48:31] ‹Submachine› Blame Linkcat.
[01:48:54] ‹Mobian› Not what I meant
[01:49:03] ‹ddevans96› you...played last game, when FE showed all roles
[01:49:14] ‹ddevans96› and nothing in the wording changed to indicate that behavior should change
[01:49:20] ‹Linkcat› It's worth noting that this does not increase or decrease the chances of a GA being alive.
[01:49:54] ‹ddevans96› it doesn't -really- matter
[01:50:25] ‹Mobian› Fact of the matter is we lynched 2 of our wild cards
[01:50:35] ‹Submachine› I believe the way I did should have been how Link should have done it.
[01:50:42] ‹Mobian› It's unlikely that there's more out there
[01:52:30] ‹ddevans96› ugh
[01:53:05] ‹Linkcat› So who's down for an all Fate Egg mafia?
[01:53:14] ‹Mobian› It is what it is, and what it is is a mess
[01:53:17] ‹ddevans96› yeah. cancel this one and start it
[01:54:15] ‹Linkcat› The iancu flip just happened, so there's not really any impact for him.
[01:54:27] ‹Linkcat› JCJ being Egg is totally irrelevant.
[01:55:39] ‹ddevans96› wasn't me killing the angel specifically a reason some people were so adamant about trying to lynch me again?
[01:58:43] ‹Linkcat› Wasn't the point that they think you lynched the failed N0 kill? If so, him being Fate Egg doesn't change that.
[01:59:13] ‹ddevans96› ...
[01:59:32] ‹ddevans96› why the FUCK
[01:59:35] ‹ddevans96› would ANY mafia
[01:59:41] ‹ddevans96› do something so blatantly stupid
[01:59:43] ‹Linkcat› If they think a mafia Psion investigated him and you lynched him because of that, then that also doesn't change.
[01:59:57] ‹Linkcat› That's what I remember saying.
[02:00:09] ‹Linkcat› Mafia had a guaranteed NK if they really wnate him dead.
[02:00:30] ‹ddevans96› we just failed to kill someone who could be angel? better get our best fucking player (unless also Link or Root) to get him lynched so he looks suspicious the whole game!
[02:00:36] ‹ddevans96› did people actually think that?
[02:01:13] ‹Linkcat› At least one person did.
[02:02:15] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[02:02:25] ‹Vineroz› if everyone is overthinking, no one is overthinking
[02:02:28] ‹Submachine› If that rubbed anyone the wrong way, deepest apologies.
[02:03:08] ‹ddevans96› it sucks, but whatever. it's early in the game, it probably didn't actually change anything
[02:03:12] ‹ddevans96› don't worry too much about it
[02:03:21] ‹Submachine› :)
[02:05:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm just too worked up today to be thinking about mafia
[02:05:55] ‹ddevans96› like my brain shut off after the day phase ended
[02:15:31] ‹ddevans96› I'm gonna try to sleep. someone make sure everything gets logged
[02:15:33] ‹ddevans96› gn
[02:15:57] ‹Submachine› If this doesn't get logged by the end of the day, all players involved get modkilled. :silly:
[02:22:11] ‹Mobian› I'd log, but I'm currently on mobile
[02:24:09] ‹Submachine› It should be someone who's been here when all this started, because otherwise I cannot scroll up long enough.
[02:24:28] ‹Submachine› but dawn and dd both left.
[02:24:38] ‹Submachine› @Link: Have you been here when the above convo started?
[00:18:25] ‹ddevans96› history isn't loading for me
[00:18:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I agree. T Storm is either super effective or a dead card.
[00:19:13] ‹MasterWalks› dont think its ever really worth running 6 in a deck for this reason
[00:20:43] ‹MasterWalks› If mobian doesnt log i can. Itll be a pain in the butt for me since my 12 lives happened at the same time so i will have to delete a ton of PMs
[00:21:36] ‹ddevans96› can turn PMs off
[00:21:42] ‹ddevans96› look at green buttons at the top
[00:21:51] ‹ddevans96› can also turn everything but actual chat off
[00:21:52] ‹MasterWalks› oh yea huh
[00:21:59] ‹MasterWalks› ill post it now then
[00:22:13] ‹ddevans96› first time I've ever used half of them was an earlier log tbh
[00:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[00:25:29] ‹MasterWalks› I just keep L/J turned off. I never touched any of the others
[00:26:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[00:28:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[00:30:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[00:33:30] ‹MasterWalks› What does that mean?
[00:33:39] ‹MasterWalks› WPSIC
[00:34:28] ‹kaempfer13› what people say in chat
[00:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. With a name like that... it has to be good.
[00:48:51] ‹ddevans96› my head hurts
[00:48:54] ‹ddevans96› mafia too intense
[00:52:44] ‹MasterWalks› this mafia>last mafia
[00:53:06] ‹ddevans96› true
[00:58:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I've pieced some things together, including Shock's role, and some more stuff regarding the dd IW iancu trio
[00:58:30] ‹ddevans96› ye?
[00:59:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Better not to say Shock's role, there's probably a reason he hasn't told everyone yet
[00:59:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Can't exactly confirm it either
[01:00:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Is this the beginning of the end, or just the end of the beginning?
[01:00:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But since Ian was town Oty, we assume that it was Ian who targeted dd
[01:00:42] ‹ddevans96› shock is GN. I'm convinced
[01:00:52] ‹ddevans96› I don't really care if I'm wrong at this point, I'll lean into it
[01:00:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm not
[01:01:20] ‹ddevans96› I was like 60% sure of it long before he claimed it
[01:01:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› There are other ways he can be sure of Ian and your relationship
[01:02:15] ‹ddevans96› it's not about that
[01:02:46] ‹ddevans96› my suspicions had nothing to do with either iancu or me
[01:03:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Anyway, since it was town Oty, we rule out M/M/M trio
[01:03:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And I doubt Warden would target mafia
[01:03:27] ‹ddevans96› was there actually a legitimately belief that all three of us were mafia?
[01:03:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yo I just joined
[01:03:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hell yeah it's a party now
[01:03:46] ‹MasterWalks› there was a hope
[01:03:54] ‹MasterWalks› we wanted mega bussing
[01:04:04] ‹ddevans96› I mean, understandable
[01:04:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Very very slim chance but it would have been cool
[01:04:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I still doubt that 2 super aggressive town roles targeted the same player
[01:05:05] ‹ddevans96› the same player who half the game wants killed and the other half thinks is town?
[01:05:10] ‹ddevans96› nah, I don't doubt that
[01:05:36] ‹ddevans96› it means they're not both mafia, that's about it
[01:05:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That wasn't the case at N1
[01:05:45] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› if you know shocks role, can we be expected to believe his info dump?
[01:05:55] ‹ddevans96› was it not?
[01:06:27] ‹ddevans96› I mean, not as extreme, but there were definitely a number of people suspicious enough of me to go for it
[01:06:31] ‹ddevans96› 5-7 people
[01:06:42] ‹ddevans96› maybe more that didn't explicitly say
[01:07:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Tbh I'm still suspicious of mafia Egg
[01:07:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which would mean Shock is mafia alongside a Psion
[01:07:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And Ian didn't use ability
[01:08:56] ‹ddevans96› still a possibility, yeah
[01:09:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So the people who pushed lynch on Ian, who conveniently voted for dd
[01:09:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Some would be mafia
[01:10:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Enjoy!
[01:10:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Knowing that they could blame ian for the Oty kill
[01:10:24] ‹ddevans96› wtf I love shock now
[01:10:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› This line of thinking also puts dd as town
[01:11:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Yes
[01:11:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If he flips town
[01:11:31] ‹shockcannon› does immaterial block night kill?
[01:11:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› No
[01:11:38] ‹ddevans96› no
[01:11:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Only offensive abilities
[01:12:01] ‹ddevans96› well, all secondary abilities
[01:12:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Well yeah
[01:13:08] ‹shockcannon› I dont think ian lied about being blocked n0
[01:13:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also MW is going to be happy but I have suspicions of Espithel being mafia
[01:13:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Not enough to warrant me voting for him, but he's someone I'm looking at
[01:14:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Assuming I'm correct about his role as well
[01:14:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I sound like Shock, don't I
[01:15:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› Why would he? He flipped town
[01:15:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[01:16:02] ‹MasterWalks› omg
[01:16:11] ‹MasterWalks› can you back me up on getting him blocked?
[01:16:37] ‹shockcannon› i think i'm dying tonight
[01:16:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@shockcannon› I will carry on your legacy
[01:17:05] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› give us a mini info dump just in case you do
[01:17:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Why would Ian use his ability N0
[01:17:18] ‹MasterWalks› wait until the last hour of the night if you have to
[01:18:14] ‹shockcannon› I left a back up in one of my many previous posts
[01:18:24] ‹shockcannon› it'll only make sense if I die though
[01:18:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Submachine› If Oty is blocked, do they keep the ability?
[01:18:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Wait
[01:18:56] ‹MasterWalks› cmon, something more straight forward would be so nice
[01:18:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Mafia doesn't need a Psion
[01:19:35] ‹shockcannon› If I die
[01:19:46] ‹shockcannon› look through my past posts
[01:19:51] ‹shockcannon› the info is there
[01:19:54] ‹Submachine› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› If an OU ability fails, it is refunded, if that's what you want to know.
[01:20:20] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Damn
[01:20:21] ‹Submachine› By the way, there are no messages of "You have been blocked." There are only messages of "Your ability failed."
[01:20:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› dd claims to have not targeted anyone
[01:20:51] ‹MasterWalks› also, is it confirmed that ian was not fate egg?
[01:20:55] ‹Submachine› And Fate Egg is never revealed when killed, it's in the role description.
[01:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› hmmmmm... not according to link
[01:21:41] ‹Submachine› Well... He didn't clarify that before Night 0 ended.
[01:21:51] ‹MasterWalks› Fair
[01:22:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[01:22:05] ‹ddevans96› I guess he didn't feel like he needed to, bc FE was revealed on death last game, with the same wording
[01:22:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Submachine› it has the same wording as last game
[01:22:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And Egg had all roles revealed on death
[01:22:29] ‹Submachine› That is true, which I admit I found super weird, but not questioned it.
[01:22:48] ‹Submachine› *did not question it
[01:23:15] ‹Submachine› Should I make a role change on Night 2? I think the game can go on as normal with this change.
[01:23:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Submachine› It says 'or revealed' because of the old GotP.
[01:23:45] ‹ddevans96› did it affect anything besides iancu's death reveal?
[01:23:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You can make that change
[01:23:55] ‹ddevans96› if no, then I think it's safe to treat it the way Link did last game
[01:23:57] ‹Linkcat› Insig was Fate Egg last mafia and all his roles were revealed when he died.
[01:24:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I want to know if ian was egg
[01:24:21] ‹ddevans96› (for future mafias - should say 'revealed by a role')
[01:24:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ^
[01:24:55] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I hope Ian was Oty
[01:24:55] ‹Linkcat› I didn't consider a flip as the same as revealing.
[01:25:22] ‹Submachine› There's the misunderstanding then. I didn't call it a flip, i assumed that was the reveal.
[01:25:46] ‹Submachine› All dead players may or may not have been Fate Eggs. :sillyspin:
[01:25:56] ‹Linkcat› lol
[01:26:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Are you making the change then aaaa
[01:26:09] ‹ddevans96› bastard mod :silly:
[01:26:57] ‹Submachine› I prefer not making further changes unless really necessary. I hoped we could clear up everything by the end of Night 0.
[01:27:12] ‹Submachine› But I *CAN* make this change if it's demanded.
[01:27:38] ‹MasterWalks› I demand
[01:27:45] ‹Linkcat› All rules should be kept consistent with the previous game.
[01:27:57] ‹shockcannon› i dont think it makes a difference
[01:28:17] ‹MasterWalks› hush my shock child
[01:28:33] ‹Submachine› Fine then.
[01:28:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Thank
[01:28:52] ‹Submachine› But don't forget to post the related chatlog.
[01:28:56] ‹shockcannon› im still pissed i role revealed
[01:29:01] ‹shockcannon› and we still lynched ian
[01:29:17] ‹Submachine› I might also add the other thing Link told me to change.
[01:29:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› You did that N0 with Flayer duh
[01:29:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or whenever that was
[01:29:50] ‹Linkcat› Maybe we would've believed you if you weren't shock.
[01:30:41] ‹shockcannon› my gamble woud've worked perfectly if i was just slightly less aggressive about ian
[01:30:45] ‹Linkcat› Heal vs Obsession? That's a necessity, those abilities need to be ordered.
[01:33:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm leaving after Sub posts
[01:33:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I want to go home and eat
[01:33:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Submachine› Also, Coffee is due for a modkill if he doesn't post tonight.
[01:33:36] ‹Linkcat› I would really like to not have a modkill this time.
[01:34:06] ‹MasterWalks› mod kills suck. Even if its mafia it feels wrong
[01:35:45] ‹ddevans96› does him talking in chat about mafia not count?
[01:36:38] ‹Linkcat› Not with the current wording.
[01:37:36] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay
[01:40:00] ‹Submachine› There you go.
[01:40:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Submachine in Forum Games. Awww yisssss. Mutha. Effin. Breadcrumbs.
[01:40:25] ‹Submachine› Also, it's a good point. Chat might as well count as talking in the topic..
[01:41:01] ‹ddevans96› nah, it shouldn't
[01:41:35] ‹Submachine› So, there. you guys already killed two Fate Eggs.
[01:42:09] ‹Linkcat› Real shit?
[01:42:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Everyone is a Fate Egg
[01:42:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› We're really playing Easter Hunt
[01:42:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sub is bastard mod
[01:43:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› We aren't searching for mafia, we're searching for eggs
[01:43:09] ‹Submachine› Everyone may or may not be Fate Eggs. :silly:
[01:43:50] ‹Linkcat› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› You could be a Fate Egg.
[01:43:59] ‹Linkcat› dd could be a Fate Egg.
[01:44:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. I found Waldo.
[01:44:03] ‹Linkcat› I could be a Fate Egg.
[01:46:36] ‹Submachine› I stay silent now, because I feel like I interrupted strategizing.
[01:46:45] ‹Mobian› Well, shit.
[01:46:55] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[01:46:56] ‹ddevans96› are you fucking
[01:47:02] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[01:47:26] ‹Mobian› I think we fucked this game up hella bad
[01:48:23] ‹Submachine› This is what happens when you change the rules mid-game.
[01:48:24] ‹Vineroz› mafia is hella bad \o/
[01:48:31] ‹Submachine› Blame Linkcat.
[01:48:54] ‹Mobian› Not what I meant
[01:49:03] ‹ddevans96› you...played last game, when FE showed all roles
[01:49:14] ‹ddevans96› and nothing in the wording changed to indicate that behavior should change
[01:49:20] ‹Linkcat› It's worth noting that this does not increase or decrease the chances of a GA being alive.
[01:49:54] ‹ddevans96› it doesn't -really- matter
[01:50:25] ‹Mobian› Fact of the matter is we lynched 2 of our wild cards
[01:50:35] ‹Submachine› I believe the way I did should have been how Link should have done it.
[01:50:42] ‹Mobian› It's unlikely that there's more out there
[01:52:30] ‹ddevans96› ugh
[01:53:05] ‹Linkcat› So who's down for an all Fate Egg mafia?
[01:53:14] ‹Mobian› It is what it is, and what it is is a mess
[01:53:17] ‹ddevans96› yeah. cancel this one and start it
[01:54:15] ‹Linkcat› The iancu flip just happened, so there's not really any impact for him.
[01:54:27] ‹Linkcat› JCJ being Egg is totally irrelevant.
[01:55:39] ‹ddevans96› wasn't me killing the angel specifically a reason some people were so adamant about trying to lynch me again?
[01:58:43] ‹Linkcat› Wasn't the point that they think you lynched the failed N0 kill? If so, him being Fate Egg doesn't change that.
[01:59:13] ‹ddevans96› ...
[01:59:32] ‹ddevans96› why the FUCK
[01:59:35] ‹ddevans96› would ANY mafia
[01:59:41] ‹ddevans96› do something so blatantly stupid
[01:59:43] ‹Linkcat› If they think a mafia Psion investigated him and you lynched him because of that, then that also doesn't change.
[01:59:57] ‹Linkcat› That's what I remember saying.
[02:00:09] ‹Linkcat› Mafia had a guaranteed NK if they really wnate him dead.
[02:00:30] ‹ddevans96› we just failed to kill someone who could be angel? better get our best fucking player (unless also Link or Root) to get him lynched so he looks suspicious the whole game!
[02:00:36] ‹ddevans96› did people actually think that?
[02:01:13] ‹Linkcat› At least one person did.
[02:02:15] ‹ddevans96› *sigh*
[02:02:25] ‹Vineroz› if everyone is overthinking, no one is overthinking
[02:02:28] ‹Submachine› If that rubbed anyone the wrong way, deepest apologies.
[02:03:08] ‹ddevans96› it sucks, but whatever. it's early in the game, it probably didn't actually change anything
[02:03:12] ‹ddevans96› don't worry too much about it
[02:03:21] ‹Submachine› :)
[02:05:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm just too worked up today to be thinking about mafia
[02:05:55] ‹ddevans96› like my brain shut off after the day phase ended
[02:15:31] ‹ddevans96› I'm gonna try to sleep. someone make sure everything gets logged
[02:15:33] ‹ddevans96› gn
[02:15:57] ‹Submachine› If this doesn't get logged by the end of the day, all players involved get modkilled. :silly:
[02:22:11] ‹Mobian› I'd log, but I'm currently on mobile
[02:24:09] ‹Submachine› It should be someone who's been here when all this started, because otherwise I cannot scroll up long enough.
[02:24:28] ‹Submachine› but dawn and dd both left.
[02:24:38] ‹Submachine› @Link: Have you been here when the above convo started?
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 08:54:40 am
Sub making the FEgg change
dd talking about how the FEgg change impacted how people thought of him in N2 after the GA kill
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 09:54:53 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 30, 2019, 10:07:09 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 30, 2019, 10:13:46 am
Post by: Ginyu on May 31, 2019, 12:44:58 am
However, the fact that several chat logs aren't even posted anymore is definitely not the way to go, and also against the rules. I've recently being poked into chat and there was mafia chat going on for hours, with breaks in between to easily post them. No one did that. At the end of Day 2, people were chatting for about 6 hours (!) without a single one feeling responsible, and it the end Sub himself had to do it. That sucks, because those not checking the chat very often (I only have it open for notifications most of the time) might lack lots of important informations. Further, seeing lots of posts makes you realize there is an active discussion going on to hop into. And if you did not have the chat open for the time being - we all know how great and fast the chat history is.
The icing on the cake is players masquerading as guests, which I probably do not need to elaborate.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 12:50:18 am
[14:51:40] ‹kaempfer13› someone from mafia please tell us your nightkill target so we can move on with the day ;)
[15:09:50] ‹Espithel› K
[15:09:55] ‹Espithel› NK target's Espithel
[15:11:05] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:12:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:16:43] ‹MasterWalks› Ha, mafia wont target mafia for NK
[15:17:10] ‹Espithel› Try me
[15:32:53] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› Did you just confess?
[15:35:44] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m dying tonight espi
[15:35:52] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Unless GA comes in clutch
[15:37:17] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if you're GN like you claim, ain't no salvation for you
[15:38:04] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s all about making the mafia doubtthough
[15:38:25] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If I’m not GN and I get protected then they waste a kill chance
[15:39:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if I am GN and then don’t target me then I also still live and keep GN alive
[15:39:19] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s a win win because my mindgating is impeccable
[15:42:39] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I do hope you're right.
[15:44:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:45:11] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Yeah Sub's a bastard mod
[15:45:18] ‹Espithel› All the mafia are actually jesters
[15:45:31] ‹Espithel› If they get lynched, the town loses
[15:45:42] ‹Espithel› So the mafia team are NKing themselves in protest
[15:45:54] ‹Espithel› Ian and Jcj were my teammates
[15:46:12] ‹Espithel› That's how much of a bastard he is
[15:47:23] ‹Mobian› Perhaps MW's right about his hunch
[15:48:38] ‹MasterWalks› He is
[15:49:07] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I would be the best jester ever
[15:49:16] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Day 1 lynched
[15:49:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ofc. You are the best everything ever
[15:49:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› All I would have to do is make 0 posts and then every one would vote me up
[15:50:51] ‹MasterWalks› I think mafia is targeting quiet people in hopes to kill GN. GN, you need to start talking. To hide this, everyone needs to start talking a lot
[15:51:01] ‹MasterWalks› Lets get to 100 pages before night is over
[15:51:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@MasterWalks› I can talk more if you want me to
[15:51:26] ‹Espithel› I actually think that's true, Walks.
[15:51:31] ‹Espithel› For a different reason, though.
[15:51:45] ‹Espithel› They're targeting quiet people because it gives the town as little information as possible.
[15:51:49] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› The best GN is the GN that role claims and isn’t believed by anyone
[15:51:56] ‹Espithel› Which seems to imply they're satisfied with the current town discussion.
[15:52:29] ‹Espithel› Then again, with a sample size of, er
[15:52:40] ‹Espithel› 1.5 nightkills (It's likely, but we don't *know* that they targeted jcj)
[15:53:32] ‹Espithel› So, if they're satisfied with current town discussion, it would also imply that current town discussion is wrong.
[15:54:08] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Insig is town
[15:54:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Which is obvious by root voting on him
[15:54:19] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[15:54:51] ‹MasterWalks› Literally everyone is not liking how root is playing.
[15:55:18] ‹Espithel› Does that translate into Root being scum?
[15:55:31] ‹Espithel› I could definitely see an argument for it.
[15:55:36] ‹Espithel› Might be worth pushing.
[15:58:01] ‹MasterWalks› Im not sure root is mafia scum. His scum claims on shock are less baseless then the ones i have on you
[15:58:14] ‹MasterWalks› more baseless* i think
[15:58:28] ‹MasterWalks› i dunno. They are worse than the ones i have on you. There.
[16:01:32] ‹kaempfer13› So having terrible reads= town now?
[16:06:00] ‹Espithel› Wow, they're *more* baseless than your reads on me?
[16:06:07] ‹Espithel› I don't think that's possible :^)
[16:08:56] ‹Wyand›
[16:13:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m pretty sure I know 1 mafia for reals
[16:13:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Hopefully I don’t die tonight
[16:16:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@kaempfer13› hey guess what?
[16:17:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› well, I guessed wrong, didnt expect you to leave me hanging
[16:30:24] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yall real dumb
[16:30:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› yep
[16:31:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Www3 with the assist
[16:31:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It is ddevans
[16:31:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› We should’ve let him die all this time
[16:36:32] ‹kaempfer13› he def didnt need mafiabuddies to stay alive both times (or if so at most 2 both times)
[16:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› lol mine at least has a semi based accusation. Root says lynch cuz shock he is crazy, not because any mafia hints, just a personality clash.
[16:42:27] ‹Guest-Parasite-d2a36› uuuuuu
[16:42:39] ‹MasterWalks› nnnnn
[16:45:01] ‹Wyand›
[16:46:39] ‹Espithel› No, Root's argument is that Shock is helping the mafia
[16:46:48] ‹Espithel› Therefore we should get rid of something actively helping the mafia
[16:46:59] ‹Espithel› I've been with him since mafia 40, this is something he's very consistent on
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Virus-c6515› hello
[16:47:09] ‹Espithel› Is it true? There's the question!
[16:48:36] ‹MasterWalks› Hm, how is shock really helping mafia? He is just being shock. I think shock will be more useful after next day for town
[16:48:56] ‹MasterWalks› No i dont think its true
[16:49:38] ‹MasterWalks› And considering we are 0-3 lynching shock, who is probably town, would help mafia more than what ever jank shock is doing
[16:50:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Ginyu maf
[16:53:20] ‹Wyand› good night all
[16:53:28] ‹Wyand› hi and bye Aves :)
[16:53:36] ‹Aves› hi-bye ^^
[16:53:46] ‹Aves›
[17:08:43] ‹Espithel› Root.png:
[17:08:49] ‹Espithel› I'm gonna put words in his mouth.
[17:08:53] • Espithel coughs
[17:09:55] ‹ddevans96› Root has put words in people's mouths less than at least four other people this game, lol
[17:10:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› That sentence makes 0 sense
[17:11:18] ‹ddevans96› false
[17:11:20] ‹Espithel› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos, distracting people from details that actually matter, and by grinding himself into irrelevance, is creating a perfect cover for mafia members, potentially himself."
[17:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos"
[17:12:00] ‹MasterWalks› by god i cant wait for trials
[17:12:10] ‹MasterWalks› he hasnt seen anything yet
[17:12:20] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m going to use chaos seed/power in every game
[17:12:42] ‹Espithel› "Bad play like this actively helps the mafia because it allows their mistakes to go with less scrutiny, as everyone focuses their attention on an annoying jester."
[17:13:18] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think we've put all that much focus on shock tbh
[17:13:18] ‹Espithel› \root.png
[17:14:37] ‹MasterWalks› root is putting all our focus on shock therefore giving mafia cover. lynchroot.exe
[17:16:27] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Lunch root for the memes?
[17:16:29] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m in
[15:09:50] ‹Espithel› K
[15:09:55] ‹Espithel› NK target's Espithel
[15:11:05] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:12:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:16:43] ‹MasterWalks› Ha, mafia wont target mafia for NK
[15:17:10] ‹Espithel› Try me
[15:32:53] ‹Mobian› ‹@Espithel› Did you just confess?
[15:35:44] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m dying tonight espi
[15:35:52] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Unless GA comes in clutch
[15:37:17] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if you're GN like you claim, ain't no salvation for you
[15:38:04] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s all about making the mafia doubtthough
[15:38:25] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If I’m not GN and I get protected then they waste a kill chance
[15:39:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if I am GN and then don’t target me then I also still live and keep GN alive
[15:39:19] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s a win win because my mindgating is impeccable
[15:42:39] ‹Mobian› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I do hope you're right.
[15:44:29] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:45:11] ‹Espithel› ‹@Mobian› Yeah Sub's a bastard mod
[15:45:18] ‹Espithel› All the mafia are actually jesters
[15:45:31] ‹Espithel› If they get lynched, the town loses
[15:45:42] ‹Espithel› So the mafia team are NKing themselves in protest
[15:45:54] ‹Espithel› Ian and Jcj were my teammates
[15:46:12] ‹Espithel› That's how much of a bastard he is
[15:47:23] ‹Mobian› Perhaps MW's right about his hunch
[15:48:38] ‹MasterWalks› He is
[15:49:07] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I would be the best jester ever
[15:49:16] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Day 1 lynched
[15:49:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ofc. You are the best everything ever
[15:49:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› All I would have to do is make 0 posts and then every one would vote me up
[15:50:51] ‹MasterWalks› I think mafia is targeting quiet people in hopes to kill GN. GN, you need to start talking. To hide this, everyone needs to start talking a lot
[15:51:01] ‹MasterWalks› Lets get to 100 pages before night is over
[15:51:13] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@MasterWalks› I can talk more if you want me to
[15:51:26] ‹Espithel› I actually think that's true, Walks.
[15:51:31] ‹Espithel› For a different reason, though.
[15:51:45] ‹Espithel› They're targeting quiet people because it gives the town as little information as possible.
[15:51:49] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› The best GN is the GN that role claims and isn’t believed by anyone
[15:51:56] ‹Espithel› Which seems to imply they're satisfied with the current town discussion.
[15:52:29] ‹Espithel› Then again, with a sample size of, er
[15:52:40] ‹Espithel› 1.5 nightkills (It's likely, but we don't *know* that they targeted jcj)
[15:53:32] ‹Espithel› So, if they're satisfied with current town discussion, it would also imply that current town discussion is wrong.
[15:54:08] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Insig is town
[15:54:18] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Which is obvious by root voting on him
[15:54:19] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[15:54:51] ‹MasterWalks› Literally everyone is not liking how root is playing.
[15:55:18] ‹Espithel› Does that translate into Root being scum?
[15:55:31] ‹Espithel› I could definitely see an argument for it.
[15:55:36] ‹Espithel› Might be worth pushing.
[15:58:01] ‹MasterWalks› Im not sure root is mafia scum. His scum claims on shock are less baseless then the ones i have on you
[15:58:14] ‹MasterWalks› more baseless* i think
[15:58:28] ‹MasterWalks› i dunno. They are worse than the ones i have on you. There.
[16:01:32] ‹kaempfer13› So having terrible reads= town now?
[16:06:00] ‹Espithel› Wow, they're *more* baseless than your reads on me?
[16:06:07] ‹Espithel› I don't think that's possible :^)
[16:08:56] ‹Wyand›
[16:13:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m pretty sure I know 1 mafia for reals
[16:13:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Hopefully I don’t die tonight
[16:16:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@kaempfer13› hey guess what?
[16:17:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› well, I guessed wrong, didnt expect you to leave me hanging
[16:30:24] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yall real dumb
[16:30:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› yep
[16:31:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Www3 with the assist
[16:31:37] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It is ddevans
[16:31:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› We should’ve let him die all this time
[16:36:32] ‹kaempfer13› he def didnt need mafiabuddies to stay alive both times (or if so at most 2 both times)
[16:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› lol mine at least has a semi based accusation. Root says lynch cuz shock he is crazy, not because any mafia hints, just a personality clash.
[16:42:27] ‹Guest-Parasite-d2a36› uuuuuu
[16:42:39] ‹MasterWalks› nnnnn
[16:45:01] ‹Wyand›
[16:46:39] ‹Espithel› No, Root's argument is that Shock is helping the mafia
[16:46:48] ‹Espithel› Therefore we should get rid of something actively helping the mafia
[16:46:59] ‹Espithel› I've been with him since mafia 40, this is something he's very consistent on
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Virus-c6515› hello
[16:47:09] ‹Espithel› Is it true? There's the question!
[16:48:36] ‹MasterWalks› Hm, how is shock really helping mafia? He is just being shock. I think shock will be more useful after next day for town
[16:48:56] ‹MasterWalks› No i dont think its true
[16:49:38] ‹MasterWalks› And considering we are 0-3 lynching shock, who is probably town, would help mafia more than what ever jank shock is doing
[16:50:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Ginyu maf
[16:53:20] ‹Wyand› good night all
[16:53:28] ‹Wyand› hi and bye Aves :)
[16:53:36] ‹Aves› hi-bye ^^
[16:53:46] ‹Aves›
[17:08:43] ‹Espithel› Root.png:
[17:08:49] ‹Espithel› I'm gonna put words in his mouth.
[17:08:53] • Espithel coughs
[17:09:55] ‹ddevans96› Root has put words in people's mouths less than at least four other people this game, lol
[17:10:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› That sentence makes 0 sense
[17:11:18] ‹ddevans96› false
[17:11:20] ‹Espithel› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos, distracting people from details that actually matter, and by grinding himself into irrelevance, is creating a perfect cover for mafia members, potentially himself."
[17:11:55] ‹MasterWalks› "Shock is constantly sowing chaos"
[17:12:00] ‹MasterWalks› by god i cant wait for trials
[17:12:10] ‹MasterWalks› he hasnt seen anything yet
[17:12:20] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m going to use chaos seed/power in every game
[17:12:42] ‹Espithel› "Bad play like this actively helps the mafia because it allows their mistakes to go with less scrutiny, as everyone focuses their attention on an annoying jester."
[17:13:18] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think we've put all that much focus on shock tbh
[17:13:18] ‹Espithel› \root.png
[17:14:37] ‹MasterWalks› root is putting all our focus on shock therefore giving mafia cover. lynchroot.exe
[17:16:27] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Lunch root for the memes?
[17:16:29] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I’m in
Talks on root and shocks "feud". Some talks on why mafia is targeting the quiet players, either because it gives town less info or because they believe GN is being quiet.
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 12:50:52 am
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 12:59:51 am
I want to adress something that is really annoying me, to the point of me even losing motivation to play. The general use of chat is fine, although the gigantic masses are too much for me to bother reading. If people being online could give a short summary, that would be great (and thanks to those who already did that).
However, the fact that several chat logs aren't even posted anymore is definitely not the way to go, and also against the rules. I've recently being poked into chat and there was mafia chat going on for hours, with breaks in between to easily post them. No one did that. At the end of Day 2, people were chatting for about 6 hours (!) without a single one feeling responsible, and it the end Sub himself had to do it. That sucks, because those not checking the chat very often (I only have it open for notifications most of the time) might lack lots of important informations. Further, seeing lots of posts makes you realize there is an active discussion going on to hop into. And if you did not have the chat open for the time being - we all know how great and fast the chat history is.
The icing on the cake is players masquerading as guests, which I probably do not need to elaborate.
I agree with all of this and must admit, i skipped some chat log postings on the assumption someone else will do it. I think this is probably the reason for everyone. However, i think i have posted more logs than anyone else, so i will not take all the blame.
Regarding the guest thing. Last game is was a bit more tolerable since it was all mostly people we are familiar with. However, this game has some players that returned from reunion day. These players dont know these guests. We all know you use guest when you use mobile; its not hard to log in and keep you logged in when on mobile. If you would like help learning how, ask me.
Post by: immortal feud on May 31, 2019, 01:24:10 am
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 31, 2019, 02:44:30 am
Shock claims GN, overriding Flayer claim (no info on targets aside from ian who died anyway) (not believed to be a serious claim)
dd claims Anubis (stated no targets)
IW officially claims Warden (no target N0, targeted dd N1)
If I missed one, please do say. These are only the late D2 claims.
Post by: Mobian on May 31, 2019, 03:35:17 am
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 03:59:02 am
Post by: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 04:02:34 am
FGO Note: I've addressed every instance of non-player interference that I am aware of. I don't see guests in chat as a huge problem if it's clear who they are, though I do ask that everyone log in before talking about any ongoing forum game. We'll definitely have some discussion on chat rules and a few polls after this game.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Post by: moehrpi on May 31, 2019, 01:10:59 pm
[15:39:05] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› if I am GN and then don’t target me then I also still live and keep GN alive
[15:39:19] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› It’s a win win because my mindgating is impeccable
It's impeccable unless GA blindly follows through and mafia kills you tomorrow.
Or they don't buy it and leave you alone as Flayer.
Also, GN obviously isn't best when no one believes you. Because you needed to find mafia and die or survive and have people believe you. Saying youre the best, contradicting youself and refusing to listen to other people does not work.
I'll continue to be unactiveish until Sunday night but try to read up.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 05:48:22 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 31, 2019, 06:14:06 pm
Day 3
The gods channeled a force they never thought they would see again. In the night, one heard its whispers...
"Ah... company..."
He was never seen again.
dawn to dusk died. He was an Elemental and an Otyugh.
IMPORTANT NOTES!
- Your favourite Submachine will be back tomorrow, at/around 1 day from this post. Until then I'll try to answer stuff, and post logs to the best of my ability. You may also direct your pitchforks at me.
Day 2 has ended.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 06:22:21 pm
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/029/223/cover2.jpg)
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 31, 2019, 06:39:28 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 06:49:05 pm
My ability failed this night.
Should he say who he targeted? I mean, he has said all of his previous targets. And knowing who you targeted might give us more info
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 08:02:51 pm
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 08:14:20 pm
[12:55:29] ‹MasterWalks› shockcannon
[12:55:37] ‹MasterWalks› Hurry up and info dump
[12:57:17] ‹shockcannon› i'm deciding
[12:57:24] ‹shockcannon› because I learned some new stuff today
[13:02:38] ‹MasterWalks› you cant back out after teasing this
[13:02:57] ‹shockcannon› got to do something irl
[13:03:03] ‹shockcannon› i'll post a lot more later
[13:03:06] ‹shockcannon› i need to think a bit also
[13:03:13] ‹shockcannon› some really interesting things happened
[13:03:28] ‹shockcannon› we might have a triplet of one role
[13:03:42] ‹Calindu› You can't just post a vote and leave us hanging like this lol
[13:03:45] ‹Calindu› What role?
[13:03:50] ‹shockcannon› which means a lot of roles are missing from this game
[13:03:56] ‹shockcannon› like A LOT
[13:04:02] ‹shockcannon› since double fate egg also
[13:04:09] ‹shockcannon› and i'm fairly certain there's double FFQ also
[13:04:19] ‹shockcannon› there's like 5-6 missing roles in this game
[13:04:46] ‹Calindu› Probably, since it's random and it only gets randomised again if it's not balanced
[12:55:37] ‹MasterWalks› Hurry up and info dump
[12:57:17] ‹shockcannon› i'm deciding
[12:57:24] ‹shockcannon› because I learned some new stuff today
[13:02:38] ‹MasterWalks› you cant back out after teasing this
[13:02:57] ‹shockcannon› got to do something irl
[13:03:03] ‹shockcannon› i'll post a lot more later
[13:03:06] ‹shockcannon› i need to think a bit also
[13:03:13] ‹shockcannon› some really interesting things happened
[13:03:28] ‹shockcannon› we might have a triplet of one role
[13:03:42] ‹Calindu› You can't just post a vote and leave us hanging like this lol
[13:03:45] ‹Calindu› What role?
[13:03:50] ‹shockcannon› which means a lot of roles are missing from this game
[13:03:56] ‹shockcannon› like A LOT
[13:04:02] ‹shockcannon› since double fate egg also
[13:04:09] ‹shockcannon› and i'm fairly certain there's double FFQ also
[13:04:19] ‹shockcannon› there's like 5-6 missing roles in this game
[13:04:46] ‹Calindu› Probably, since it's random and it only gets randomised again if it's not balanced
TL:DR Pushing shock to info dump. Some speculation on multiple roles, mostly fate egg and Firefly Queen. Shock promises to come back and info dump.
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 08:58:18 pm
- I'm GN and have checked ian and Linkcat.
- Linkcat is mafia
- I'm fairly certain mafia has psion and mindflayer
- I think it's likely that they discovered JCJs role n0
- I think the random moehrpi vote on JCJ was highly suspicious. Could be mafia throwing it out just to see if it gains traction without any pushing of it (which it did)
- Insig using warden last night was also suspicious but I think he's town. Again, I don't think mafia let themselves get into a situation where they're being voted up. Likely all the prime suspects so far have been town. This clears Insig and ddevans for me. Could be bussing but why bus if your team isn't even close to being on the radar
- Linkcat being mafia clears Espithel in my opinion
- ian said he had info to dump had he lived. To me this means a couple possible options. 1.) He lied about being blocked N0 and found some info. 2.) Insig actually blocked D2D N1 when targeting ddevans and ian was either roleblocked again (giving him info that there was a mind flayer or 2nd warden out there) or he hit a protected/untargetable player.
I've got some more hard info to share later, but I want votes on Linkcat for now.
Also, I want some thoughts on the following players that I find highly suspicious and likely mafia:
moehrpi
immortal_feud
mathman101
Post by: Espithel on May 31, 2019, 09:01:28 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
How are we going to keep you safe tonight, hm?
Post by: Calindu on May 31, 2019, 09:06:52 pm
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:08:49 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:10:49 pm
- I think FFQs should reveal. I believe there are two and I think their information would be useful without having everyone else have to give away more roles. I know no wants a full role claim so we can keep roles hidden for now.
Post by: Espithel on May 31, 2019, 09:12:24 pm
Regardless of how you flip, we've found one, imo.
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:15:13 pm
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:17:39 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 31, 2019, 09:17:55 pm
Post by: Calindu on May 31, 2019, 09:18:56 pm
EBWOP
- I think FFQs should reveal. I believe there are two and I think their information would be useful without having everyone else have to give away more roles. I know no wants a full role claim so we can keep roles hidden for now.
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
I must admit I jumped too early on this, without even fact checking.
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:24:38 pm
Last chance. I wish we could be friends.
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 09:30:48 pm
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:35:19 pm
Congratulations shock, you forced out another claim and made it even easier for mafia to find the GN. I'm kind of down to actually lynch you now. In that same vein, Insig should not reveal his target.
Now that I think about it, with 4 mafia they could have made the play of sacrificing shock to cause as much chaos as possible and force claims, maybe even a GN cc if they're a new player. They might figure he wouldn't last long anyway and tried to get as much use of him before he dies. If so, we should not put too much stock into his actions, as that would be part of their plan.
I vote to lynch shockcannon.
Post by: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 09:38:16 pm
I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.
Except I didn't target you.
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Post by: ddevans96 on May 31, 2019, 09:39:59 pm
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:45:00 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 09:46:03 pm
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.
Except I didn't target you.
You have got to be kidding me.
If Cal is telling the truth, then ddevans is lying. If Cal is lying then Linkcat is also lying. If dd is lying, well then dd is lying.
I would put money on at LEAST one of these guys is mafia. Probably more like 2 of them are mafia.
Post by: Calindu on May 31, 2019, 09:46:44 pm
Post by: Mobian on May 31, 2019, 09:47:36 pm
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.Except I didn't target you.
You have got to be kidding me.
If Cal is telling the truth, then ddevans is lying. If Cal is lying then Linkcat is also lying. If dd is lying, well then dd is lying.
I would put money on at LEAST one of these guys is mafia. Probably more like 2 of them are mafia.
Or, there's simply a second Anubis. Whether there IS or not, I have no clue, but the possibility cannot be ignored.
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:48:19 pm
[2019-05-31 17:02:24] Espithel: The lord has spoken!
[2019-05-31 17:08:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. You can read it. We can help.
[2019-05-31 17:10:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. There is no spit in this post!
[2019-05-31 17:12:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[2019-05-31 17:12:30] Calindu: Actually wait, shock is lying
[2019-05-31 17:13:06] Espithel: If he's lying about -this-, he needs to die.
[2019-05-31 17:13:27] Calindu: I'm not sure about lying about being GN, but he's definitely lying about checking Linkl
[2019-05-31 17:13:55] Espithel: Hang on a moment
[2019-05-31 17:14:01] shockcannon: well this is interesting news you're oferring
[2019-05-31 17:14:01] Espithel: Why did he think ia-
[2019-05-31 17:14:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Post of the day, for sure.
[2019-05-31 17:14:46] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:14:47] Espithel: Actually, yeah. I jumped on that one far too quickly.
[2019-05-31 17:14:50] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:14:54] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:15:21] Espithel: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:15:23] Espithel: ‹@Espithel›
[2019-05-31 17:15:23] Calindu: ‹@Espithel› Yeah, I made the same mistake
[2019-05-31 17:15:24] shockcannon: if you're actually FFQ and you think i'm lying, quote my very last post and resopnd
[2019-05-31 17:15:24] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon›
[2019-05-31 17:15:27] Espithel: fuck
[2019-05-31 17:15:37] Espithel: That was supposed to be 3 claindus
[2019-05-31 17:15:38] Calindu: So be it
[2019-05-31 17:15:39] Espithel: joke failed
[2019-05-31 17:15:41] Espithel: 0/10
[2019-05-31 17:15:44] shockcannon: I'd like to battle it out on forums if you wanna tussle
[2019-05-31 17:15:55] shockcannon: -1/10
[2019-05-31 17:16:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. FIRST!
[2019-05-31 17:16:11] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:16:18] shockcannon: if you're actually FFQ and you think i'm lying, quote my very last post and resopnd
[2019-05-31 17:16:48] shockcannon: reveal yourself
[2019-05-31 17:16:49] shockcannon: as the queen
[2019-05-31 17:16:54] shockcannon: and take me down
[2019-05-31 17:16:55] shockcannon: with your power
[2019-05-31 17:17:45] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 4 = 13 ...
[2019-05-31 17:18:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[2019-05-31 17:19:13] shockcannon: espithel
[2019-05-31 17:19:16] shockcannon: we are team
[2019-05-31 17:19:19] shockcannon: join me
[2019-05-31 17:19:21] Calindu: There you go, what you asked
[2019-05-31 17:19:23] shockcannon: in our adventures
[2019-05-31 17:19:26] shockcannon: to destroy linkcat
[2019-05-31 17:20:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[2019-05-31 17:20:14] Wyand: seems like I missed Oa
[2019-05-31 17:20:16] Wyand: :/
[2019-05-31 17:20:37] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu› i wonder...........
[2019-05-31 17:20:56] shockcannon: i'm disappointed in you
[2019-05-31 17:20:58] Calindu: What are you wondering about?
[2019-05-31 17:21:23] shockcannon: i'm wondering if you know something
[2019-05-31 17:21:34] shockcannon: but if you knew that something you wouldn't be asking what i'm wondering about
[2019-05-31 17:21:41] shockcannon: so now I no longer need to wonder because I have my answer
[2019-05-31 17:22:08] shockcannon: i truly am disappointed in you
[2019-05-31 17:22:39] Calindu: I'm starting to agree more and more with Root, this kind of random noise just doesn't help the town at all
[2019-05-31 17:23:16] shockcannon: I gave you a real chance Calindu
[2019-05-31 17:23:28] shockcannon: I'll give you one more
[2019-05-31 17:24:24] Calindu: I'm not playing this stupid game, sorry
[2019-05-31 17:26:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. PHRASING!
[2019-05-31 17:26:02] shockcannon: guess i'll have to rely on MW
[2019-05-31 17:26:12] shockcannon: *sigh*
[2019-05-31 17:28:12] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu› ok
[2019-05-31 17:28:15] shockcannon: you know what
[2019-05-31 17:28:22] shockcannon: i'll stop being chaotic
[2019-05-31 17:28:46] shockcannon: but can you quote my last post and at leaest tell everyone to give me one final chance?
[2019-05-31 17:28:53] shockcannon: so no one just rage kills me
[2019-05-31 17:28:58] shockcannon: i promise I'll stop messing around
[2019-05-31 17:29:01] shockcannon: actually for real
[2019-05-31 17:29:52] shockcannon: also, i'll post chat log after this dies down
[2019-05-31 17:30:37] Calindu: Feel free to ask it in thread, because I'm not the one to decide who gets a final chance
[2019-05-31 17:30:49] Calindu: I'm not backing down on my role claim and the info I know
[2019-05-31 17:31:34] MasterWalks: ‹@Calindu› Did you target me? Or was it a diff FFQ?
[2019-05-31 17:32:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[2019-05-31 17:32:04] Calindu: It's not relevant atm, I'll reveal more if it becomes relevant
[2019-05-31 17:32:15] MasterWalks: ok
[2019-05-31 17:32:29] shockcannon: fun fact: Submachine never edited rules to prevent ciphers
[2019-05-31 17:32:52] shockcannon: I agree
[2019-05-31 17:32:55] shockcannon: town shouldn't reveal
[2019-05-31 17:33:01] shockcannon: i've seen the light and changed my ways
[2019-05-31 17:33:08] shockcannon: but I think revealing a bit is still good
[2019-05-31 17:33:12] MasterWalks: you start code talking and that will guarantee a lynch
[2019-05-31 17:33:32] shockcannon: Also I think there's a good chance that mafia is pretending to be graboid by not voting
[2019-05-31 17:33:34] shockcannon: but who knows
[2019-05-31 17:33:43] Calindu: You just spread misinformation, how is that good for town?
[2019-05-31 17:35:05] shockcannon: its good if town is smart and can separate my facts from my lies
[2019-05-31 17:35:23] shockcannon: but I realize my flaws and I'll change by not talking anymore
[2019-05-31 17:36:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. The post that smiles back.
[2019-05-31 17:38:29] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 3 = 12 ...
[2019-05-31 17:38:35] Calindu: ‹@shockcannon› How can we separate the facts from the lies? Not everyone is FFQ and got lucky to catch the lie
[2019-05-31 17:38:50] Calindu: It's too late now
[2019-05-31 17:39:00] shockcannon: I literally just told you how like 10 minutes ago
[2019-05-31 17:39:11] shockcannon: but whatever lynch me
[2019-05-31 17:39:57] shockcannon: Also whether or not you agree, my chaotic behavior and the responses they generate separate the mafia from the town
[2019-05-31 17:40:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. The post that smiles back.
[2019-05-31 17:40:05] shockcannon: and that info is available for everyone to easily see
[2019-05-31 17:40:20] MasterWalks: Wow. DD vs. Link? This is gonna get interesting
[2019-05-31 17:41:53] shockcannon: 2 FFQ, 2 FE, 2 Anubis, 2 Warden?
[2019-05-31 17:41:56] shockcannon: this is getting spicy
[2019-05-31 17:42:00] ddevans96: if Cal is telling the truth
[2019-05-31 17:42:36] shockcannon: it appears my reveal may have just caught 2 mafia
[2019-05-31 17:42:39] shockcannon: would you look at that
[2019-05-31 17:43:16] shockcannon: I would love to see who role claims anubis
[2019-05-31 17:43:27] shockcannon: because we definitely talked about not using anubis at the start of game
[2019-05-31 17:43:48] shockcannon: also using anubis on linkcat n1?
[2019-05-31 17:43:50] shockcannon: super sus
[2019-05-31 17:43:58] Calindu: ‹@shockcannon› N2
[2019-05-31 17:44:10] Calindu: ‹@ddevans96› I am
[2019-05-31 17:44:14] shockcannon: still sus
[2019-05-31 17:44:39] Calindu: I find lying about having like 3 different roles more suspect
[2019-05-31 17:45:09] Mobian: This just became even more of a shitshow....
[2019-05-31 17:08:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. You can read it. We can help.
[2019-05-31 17:10:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. There is no spit in this post!
[2019-05-31 17:12:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[2019-05-31 17:12:30] Calindu: Actually wait, shock is lying
[2019-05-31 17:13:06] Espithel: If he's lying about -this-, he needs to die.
[2019-05-31 17:13:27] Calindu: I'm not sure about lying about being GN, but he's definitely lying about checking Linkl
[2019-05-31 17:13:55] Espithel: Hang on a moment
[2019-05-31 17:14:01] shockcannon: well this is interesting news you're oferring
[2019-05-31 17:14:01] Espithel: Why did he think ia-
[2019-05-31 17:14:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Post of the day, for sure.
[2019-05-31 17:14:46] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:14:47] Espithel: Actually, yeah. I jumped on that one far too quickly.
[2019-05-31 17:14:50] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:14:54] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:15:21] Espithel: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:15:23] Espithel: ‹@Espithel›
[2019-05-31 17:15:23] Calindu: ‹@Espithel› Yeah, I made the same mistake
[2019-05-31 17:15:24] shockcannon: if you're actually FFQ and you think i'm lying, quote my very last post and resopnd
[2019-05-31 17:15:24] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon›
[2019-05-31 17:15:27] Espithel: fuck
[2019-05-31 17:15:37] Espithel: That was supposed to be 3 claindus
[2019-05-31 17:15:38] Calindu: So be it
[2019-05-31 17:15:39] Espithel: joke failed
[2019-05-31 17:15:41] Espithel: 0/10
[2019-05-31 17:15:44] shockcannon: I'd like to battle it out on forums if you wanna tussle
[2019-05-31 17:15:55] shockcannon: -1/10
[2019-05-31 17:16:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. FIRST!
[2019-05-31 17:16:11] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu›
[2019-05-31 17:16:18] shockcannon: if you're actually FFQ and you think i'm lying, quote my very last post and resopnd
[2019-05-31 17:16:48] shockcannon: reveal yourself
[2019-05-31 17:16:49] shockcannon: as the queen
[2019-05-31 17:16:54] shockcannon: and take me down
[2019-05-31 17:16:55] shockcannon: with your power
[2019-05-31 17:17:45] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 3 + 4 + 1 + 4 = 13 ...
[2019-05-31 17:18:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[2019-05-31 17:19:13] shockcannon: espithel
[2019-05-31 17:19:16] shockcannon: we are team
[2019-05-31 17:19:19] shockcannon: join me
[2019-05-31 17:19:21] Calindu: There you go, what you asked
[2019-05-31 17:19:23] shockcannon: in our adventures
[2019-05-31 17:19:26] shockcannon: to destroy linkcat
[2019-05-31 17:20:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Calindu in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[2019-05-31 17:20:14] Wyand: seems like I missed Oa
[2019-05-31 17:20:16] Wyand: :/
[2019-05-31 17:20:37] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu› i wonder...........
[2019-05-31 17:20:56] shockcannon: i'm disappointed in you
[2019-05-31 17:20:58] Calindu: What are you wondering about?
[2019-05-31 17:21:23] shockcannon: i'm wondering if you know something
[2019-05-31 17:21:34] shockcannon: but if you knew that something you wouldn't be asking what i'm wondering about
[2019-05-31 17:21:41] shockcannon: so now I no longer need to wonder because I have my answer
[2019-05-31 17:22:08] shockcannon: i truly am disappointed in you
[2019-05-31 17:22:39] Calindu: I'm starting to agree more and more with Root, this kind of random noise just doesn't help the town at all
[2019-05-31 17:23:16] shockcannon: I gave you a real chance Calindu
[2019-05-31 17:23:28] shockcannon: I'll give you one more
[2019-05-31 17:24:24] Calindu: I'm not playing this stupid game, sorry
[2019-05-31 17:26:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. PHRASING!
[2019-05-31 17:26:02] shockcannon: guess i'll have to rely on MW
[2019-05-31 17:26:12] shockcannon: *sigh*
[2019-05-31 17:28:12] shockcannon: ‹@Calindu› ok
[2019-05-31 17:28:15] shockcannon: you know what
[2019-05-31 17:28:22] shockcannon: i'll stop being chaotic
[2019-05-31 17:28:46] shockcannon: but can you quote my last post and at leaest tell everyone to give me one final chance?
[2019-05-31 17:28:53] shockcannon: so no one just rage kills me
[2019-05-31 17:28:58] shockcannon: i promise I'll stop messing around
[2019-05-31 17:29:01] shockcannon: actually for real
[2019-05-31 17:29:52] shockcannon: also, i'll post chat log after this dies down
[2019-05-31 17:30:37] Calindu: Feel free to ask it in thread, because I'm not the one to decide who gets a final chance
[2019-05-31 17:30:49] Calindu: I'm not backing down on my role claim and the info I know
[2019-05-31 17:31:34] MasterWalks: ‹@Calindu› Did you target me? Or was it a diff FFQ?
[2019-05-31 17:32:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. Eat this post.
[2019-05-31 17:32:04] Calindu: It's not relevant atm, I'll reveal more if it becomes relevant
[2019-05-31 17:32:15] MasterWalks: ok
[2019-05-31 17:32:29] shockcannon: fun fact: Submachine never edited rules to prevent ciphers
[2019-05-31 17:32:52] shockcannon: I agree
[2019-05-31 17:32:55] shockcannon: town shouldn't reveal
[2019-05-31 17:33:01] shockcannon: i've seen the light and changed my ways
[2019-05-31 17:33:08] shockcannon: but I think revealing a bit is still good
[2019-05-31 17:33:12] MasterWalks: you start code talking and that will guarantee a lynch
[2019-05-31 17:33:32] shockcannon: Also I think there's a good chance that mafia is pretending to be graboid by not voting
[2019-05-31 17:33:34] shockcannon: but who knows
[2019-05-31 17:33:43] Calindu: You just spread misinformation, how is that good for town?
[2019-05-31 17:35:05] shockcannon: its good if town is smart and can separate my facts from my lies
[2019-05-31 17:35:23] shockcannon: but I realize my flaws and I'll change by not talking anymore
[2019-05-31 17:36:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. The post that smiles back.
[2019-05-31 17:38:29] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 3 = 12 ...
[2019-05-31 17:38:35] Calindu: ‹@shockcannon› How can we separate the facts from the lies? Not everyone is FFQ and got lucky to catch the lie
[2019-05-31 17:38:50] Calindu: It's too late now
[2019-05-31 17:39:00] shockcannon: I literally just told you how like 10 minutes ago
[2019-05-31 17:39:11] shockcannon: but whatever lynch me
[2019-05-31 17:39:57] shockcannon: Also whether or not you agree, my chaotic behavior and the responses they generate separate the mafia from the town
[2019-05-31 17:40:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. The post that smiles back.
[2019-05-31 17:40:05] shockcannon: and that info is available for everyone to easily see
[2019-05-31 17:40:20] MasterWalks: Wow. DD vs. Link? This is gonna get interesting
[2019-05-31 17:41:53] shockcannon: 2 FFQ, 2 FE, 2 Anubis, 2 Warden?
[2019-05-31 17:41:56] shockcannon: this is getting spicy
[2019-05-31 17:42:00] ddevans96: if Cal is telling the truth
[2019-05-31 17:42:36] shockcannon: it appears my reveal may have just caught 2 mafia
[2019-05-31 17:42:39] shockcannon: would you look at that
[2019-05-31 17:43:16] shockcannon: I would love to see who role claims anubis
[2019-05-31 17:43:27] shockcannon: because we definitely talked about not using anubis at the start of game
[2019-05-31 17:43:48] shockcannon: also using anubis on linkcat n1?
[2019-05-31 17:43:50] shockcannon: super sus
[2019-05-31 17:43:58] Calindu: ‹@shockcannon› N2
[2019-05-31 17:44:10] Calindu: ‹@ddevans96› I am
[2019-05-31 17:44:14] shockcannon: still sus
[2019-05-31 17:44:39] Calindu: I find lying about having like 3 different roles more suspect
[2019-05-31 17:45:09] Mobian: This just became even more of a shitshow....
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:48:52 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 09:52:47 pm
BUT if Linkcat is mind flayer and blocking ddevans, I personally find that suspicious. Linkcat has been after ddevans since day 1, and now it seems everyone thinks ddevans is town (including me).
Post by: Mobian on May 31, 2019, 09:54:12 pm
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Shock, you've been caught up in too many lies. At this point, you're causing more harm than good.
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 09:56:24 pm
The Nightkills show that mafia is really trying to snipe the GN, which makes all the claims even more annoying. Their POE can't be very big now.
The other Anubis/Egg probably targeted me because I asked for it lol. I still don't get why you guys think it's a bad role.
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 10:09:23 pm
All mafia has to do is do literally NOTHING. They don't have to use any secondary roles at all, and can simply just NK every night. They'll just never vote and blend in with all the afk townies who might be graboid. Then the few active townies will only have reads on each other and just start voting each other up and killing each other off. Talking and sharing info IS A MUST for town to win, as many of you have already described.
WELL GUESS WHAT? Who was the one who talked about sharing roles and info to get discussion going and to make the best of our abilities? And guess what, that was completely shot down. We didn't even get a bit of info out of ian because we told him not to share. Look how useful that was? We don't even know who he targeted because of the duplicate roles.
What does that leave me with? That leaves me with lying to hope discussion will spark so we're not sitting here doing nothing and hopefully getting mafia to slip up. You know what, mafia may have stayed quiet this entire time, but if you look at the responses to my "chaotic noise" then you should be able to easily pinpoint some DEFINITE TOWN and even some highly suspicious MAFIA. But no, we're too busy whining about shock. If you want to me to stop talking sure. After my next post I won't post again. But mafia is in control, but whether you like it or not, I have forced people to respond in ways that give us actual reads.
Post by: Linkcat on May 31, 2019, 10:42:15 pm
Post by: shockcannon on May 31, 2019, 10:44:09 pm
Apology to ian. Sorry
I knew everyone expected me to make an early read and stick to it. I used this to my advantage by calling out ian. This was a safe move because no town would trust me so ian wouldn't be lynched. Mafia would also know I'm wasting my time so they would let me do my thing. As a result this allows me to go unchecked. I know people here are smart, so I needed this initial set up to make the next pay off work.
The next step was to put doubt in the mafia's mind as to my role. I wanted them to think that maybe there's a chance I was golden nymph. Since town was so against all the strategies I had offered, I knew we were basically screwed since I have 0 trust in town's reads. I think mafia is too good this game to be easily read. As a result, I knew our main hope was to keep GN alive and hope they picked good targets.
I had hoped to fake reveal GN day 3 or day 4, but the switch over to ian as an actual possible lynch target threw me into a panic. I actually had an epiphany because I realized that this opportunity was actually a blessing. I could reveal GN now, saving ian and causing mafia to blow up in their chat. They would be wondering where the quick switch came from? Obviously town wouldn't be stupid enough to reveal GN after only knowing one target? But it's shock. If anyone would play like shock is playing now AND be GN, it would be shock. Sadly, voting was in overtime and I couldn't save ian. The brightside was that ian flipping town makes me seem slightly more GN to mafia.
I'm smiling now knowing that mafia actually paid me some respect because they sent their mind flayer to block me this past night (N2). Smart move because they can kill another town without risking the situation where i'm not GN AND I get healed by GA. Blocking would prevent me from finding a primary role.
Now, I planned to straight up dump what I'm dumping now at the start of day 3 (today). BUT the fact that I got blocked changed my plans. I now had the opportunity to continue role claiming GN to see what mafia does when they know I'm lying. I picked Linkcat (who I thought might have been mafia this entire time) hoping to force mafia to respond to me. This was working as the votes piled on Linkcat but unfortunately (or fortunately) Calindu responded. Now this outs Calindu as either the mafia response I was looking for, or a townie calling me out on my BS. Either way, we got a ton of info out of Calindu. Now we have a whole dilemma between duplicate roles, Linkcat being apparently protected, Calindu being FFQ, and more. If I had played in favor of town and not as "honorary 5th mafia member" this info would be disclosed and we would have nothing to work off.
Sure, this reveal narrows down GN, but I think the tradeoff is worth it, and if you don't think so, just lynch me now.
I told the truth on the very first day. I am indeed mindflayer. My targets in order were Moehrpi, Ginyu, Moehrpi (blocked by another mindflayer UNLESS moehrpi got protected by second anubis in between or moehrpi is graboid who unburrowed N0 and then reburrowed N1/N2).
Fun fact: submachine never edited the ruleset to ban ciphers or codes. Also, I figured hidden messages that everyone had equal access to and equal ability to solve were fair game. My role and my targets were hidden in some of my previous posts but none of you caught on. Oh well.
Several nights, I had suspected mafia had mindflayer with ian getting blocked often, but I wasn't sure if it was just iridium warden. With our new information from Calindu and old info from Insig, we can infer that there are 2 iridium wardens assuming no lies were told. I can add onto this and say that there is another mind flayer almost definitely. That makes a LOT of duplicate roles. 2 FE, 2 warden, 2 FFQ, 2 mind flayer, 2 Anubis. Personally, I think someone is lying here. If not, we have a lot of missing roles. There’s going to start being some inconsistencies and this is where we need to be on the lookout.
Another thing, moehrpi and ginyu never revealed that they were blocked. This offers a few options. One, they have EoR abilities or didn’t use their abilities. Two, they never shared they were blocked. Regardless, I find this a bit suspicious. Tied in with my previous reads on moehrpi and the JCJ vote, I have been highly suspicious of moehrpi since day 1.
I personally say we grill Linkcat and moehrpi. If they can’t convince us, we should lynch. Neither of them have received attention or votes and yet have maintained some decent level of activity and presence. In my opinion, the two of them are exactly where mafia wants to be (until today).
Anyways, this is my last post probably for a long time. Might not even vote for a while. I’ve played my part of crazy shock. I’m leaving the game in town’s hands now. Maybe I threw, maybe I didn’t. Only time will tell.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2019, 10:48:10 pm
If we always start lynching at the slightest hint we'll never reach the real mafia.
I dont really have any scumreads, but I have some townreads and some eyebrowsraising cases.
Mobian: he may seem scummy, but hes actually my strongest townread. He's acting exactly like I would expect from someone that got used to knowing who is and isnt mafia and gets frustrated not doing that anymore and knowing that none of his or his teammates roles (but one) will directly help with that.
Insig: I dont think mafia would allow that big of a slipup to unnecesarily endanger one of their own and the specifics of ians role make it extremely unlikely he lied.
Both of you please dont take that as invitation to continue to play poorly, its just the kind of poor play mafia usually shouldnt do and probably wouldnt even conceive.
dd: Yes,yes I tried to kill him last round for lack of a better option (no lynch is just bad, but all of last rounds options probably were just as bad). he defended his position well and most of what makes him scummy is a direct consequence of selfdefense. I went back to look at his actual posts and he didnt push as hard for espi lynch as I remembered.
Eyebrows raised:
shock:
Linkcat/Rootranger: Mentioning them in one breath bc its for the same reason. They are both known to be great players, still alive (even though up till now noone really intended to lynch them much, so they arent a good scapegoat for mafia) and I just dont really get what they do.
moehrpi: he jokes about being mafia in chat occasionally, which doesnt mean a whole lot of course. Didnt seem to helpfull otherwise.
Note that eyebrows raised != scumread. An explanation could be helpfull though,
Chances are mafia just waits for us to tear each other apart.
Another thought: I thought about making a dayphasely lynchlog (all votes and how they changed), would this be more helpfull than harmfull to town?
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 31, 2019, 11:00:27 pm
Post by: Espithel on May 31, 2019, 11:11:32 pm
Instead of waiting for the conversation to finish, I'm going to only post important chunks of information as they happen. Once the conversation is finished, I'm going to post the entire chatlog.
In addition, in an attempt to make it more palletable, I'm going to edit out many of the fluff, clean up the grammar a bit. Generally just make it look nicer. Hopefully this'll make the chatlog dilemma (JUST BAN BLAB, LINKCAT/SUB) a lot less of an issue.
[23:50:49]
‹shockcannon› I misused the word disclosed [in my dump]. I meant to say secret.
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‹MasterWalks› Hey, Kaempf? What's up with the empty spoiler?
‹kaempfer13› Reference to one of shock's posts. Actually putting everything in would exceed the character limit.
‹MasterWalks› Oh his post with empty spoilers. Gotcha
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‹kaempfer13› I suggest everyone who jumped the gun retracts their vote for this day, so that voting on anyone else doesn't seem pointless. The day has just started, you can put your vote back in later in the exact same state but at least allow for other options. Note that both people that are voted on have my attention as potentially bad for town, but we need to allow the others to contribute their own thoughts.
[00:00:21]
In alignment with Kae's wishes:
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
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Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Mobian
I've been hearing a lot about a Moehrpi lynch. Do we have anything solid on him?
Post by: immortal feud on May 31, 2019, 11:14:06 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 31, 2019, 11:28:25 pm
[2019-05-31 23:46:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. I need a tissue...
[2019-05-31 23:47:57] Mobian: Damn you, Calindu
[2019-05-31 23:48:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. It needs a gold star.
[2019-05-31 23:49:10] shockcannon: so we have 2 FE for sure
[2019-05-31 23:49:16] shockcannon: assuming everyone else is not lying
[2019-05-31 23:49:19] shockcannon: 2 warden
[2019-05-31 23:49:21] shockcannon: 2 FFQ
[2019-05-31 23:49:24] shockcannon: 2 Anubis
[2019-05-31 23:49:35] shockcannon: lot of doubles
[2019-05-31 23:50:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[2019-05-31 23:54:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. This post would be a terrible thing to waste.
[2019-05-31 23:54:06] shockcannon: I wonder what maf chat is like right now
[2019-05-31 23:54:14] Calindu: I can confirm there is a second Warden, unless IW or someone else is lying on that topic
[2019-05-31 23:54:45] ddevans96: mafia team is probably something like Link, Cal/IW, Espi, someone barely active
[2019-05-31 23:54:51] ddevans96: I would bet money on me being 3/4 right rn
[2019-05-31 23:55:41] shockcannon: @MasterWalks
[2019-05-31 23:55:47] shockcannon: are you f*cking ready
[2019-05-31 23:55:52] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96›
[2019-05-31 23:55:54] shockcannon: same with you
[2019-05-31 23:56:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. Post fit for royalty, but affordable for all!
[2019-05-31 23:56:06] shockcannon: Because the real dump is coming now
[2019-05-31 23:56:13] ddevans96: let's go dude
[2019-05-31 23:56:35] MasterWalks: im ready to rumble
[2019-05-31 23:57:21] shockcannon: rant post first
[2019-05-31 23:57:26] shockcannon: because i'm a little heated
[2019-05-31 23:57:28] shockcannon: info dump after
[2019-05-31 23:58:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Wanna do a thing?
[2019-05-31 23:58:26] Linkcat: ‹@ddevans96› I would take that bet if the rules allowed it.
[2019-05-31 23:58:36] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 10 ...
[2019-05-31 23:59:02] Linkcat: Taking a shower and then going to an appointment, won't be too active for a bit.
[2019-05-31 23:59:10] Mobian: No rules against wagers
[2019-05-31 23:59:16] shockcannon: lol
[2019-05-31 23:59:20] shockcannon: "I asked for it"
[2019-05-31 23:59:31] shockcannon: great reason to give immortality to random person
[2019-06-01 00:00:37] Linkcat: Well they obviously have to be townreading me as well.
[2019-06-01 00:01:37] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 2 + 2 + 1 + 6 + 8 = 19 ...
[2019-06-01 00:04:47] MasterWalks: Honestly, Linkcat should not have immortality. With no PM's, that anubis is targeting people willy nilly and is assuming Linkcat is town based off read.
[2019-06-01 00:04:52] MasterWalks: Anubis is a scary role
[2019-06-01 00:05:19] MasterWalks: dd is right to not use it
[2019-06-01 00:07:40] kaempfer13: i wonder if mafia anubis would target normal people to make them seem more scummy
[2019-06-01 00:08:13] ddevans96: I think that would be a viable play
[2019-06-01 00:08:20] Calindu: Depends on their roles
[2019-06-01 00:08:41] Calindu: If their roles are not affected by Anubis and it fits the gameplan, I think it would be smart
[2019-06-01 00:08:49] MasterWalks: Psion + Anubis would be a nasty combo. Psion first then anubis
[2019-06-01 00:10:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[2019-06-01 00:10:04] shockcannon: alright dump time
[2019-06-01 00:13:28] ddevans96: this gon be good
[2019-06-01 00:13:41] Espithel: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
[2019-06-01 00:14:39] Mobian: Shock has made some good points, Espi. Doesn't really absolve him of misleading town, but his concerns are valid
[2019-06-01 00:14:52] Espithel: He has.
[2019-06-01 00:15:11] Espithel: Now that he's actually playing the game and not just faffing about, he's not just the fifth honourary mafia member
[2019-06-01 00:15:35] Mobian: No, but he may still be the 4th
[2019-06-01 00:15:46] kaempfer13: ‹@shockcannon› now can you finally put down those actual reads you claim to have gotten out of the responses to you?
[2019-06-01 00:15:55] MasterWalks: "Now that he's actually playing the game"
[2019-06-01 00:15:58] MasterWalks: Lmao
[2019-06-01 00:16:07] MasterWalks: He hasnt changed anything
[2019-06-01 00:16:17] MasterWalks: Hes just stating why he is doing what hes doing
[2019-06-01 00:16:33] MasterWalks: If shock goes quiet after his dump, its probably pretty harmful to town ngl
[2019-06-01 00:16:46] kaempfer13: did someone actually believe he was gn?
[2019-06-01 00:16:58] Espithel: Yeah, me and Cal jumped the gun bit too hard
[2019-06-01 00:16:59] ddevans96: hi, yes, me
[2019-06-01 00:17:02] MasterWalks: No, no one idi
[2019-06-01 00:17:05] ddevans96: I suspected it MUCH earlier
[2019-06-01 00:18:07] Mobian: Either way, the damage is done. Now, we'll be secondguessing any claims he makes going forward. Sure, he succeeded in sparking conversation, but also put himself under a huge microscope at the same time
[2019-06-01 00:18:54] kaempfer13: yh, no way to interpret his eventual death one way or another with so many contradictions
[2019-06-01 00:19:58] ddevans96: can we talk about the fact that people assumed I was mafia for things that would be extremely risky if I was mafia? and I had to spend literally a day and a half defending myself?
[2019-06-01 00:20:06] ddevans96: microscope has already been on this game
[2019-06-01 00:20:08] Wyand:
(5d6) 6 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 6 = 25 ...!
[2019-06-01 00:21:33] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: how long will this mafia run approximately?
[2019-06-01 00:21:52] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 7 + 4 + 4 + 9 + 1 = 25 ...
[2019-06-01 00:22:04] ddevans96: this town has shown they'll hyperfocus things, it's better if 'the microscope' is on someone who most people disregard as rogue
[2019-06-01 00:22:30] Mobian: My gut feeling is on both MW and Espi, tbh.
[2019-06-01 00:22:39] ddevans96: bc eventually it'll fizzle out, you'll either realize 'wow shock is mega town', or he'll out himself as mafia, or he won't matter and everyone will go back to ignoring him (even me this time)
[2019-06-01 00:23:23] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› I would like to know what leads you have on espi
[2019-06-01 00:24:07] Espithel: Of course you would
[2019-06-01 00:24:35] Espithel: "Where are the conclusions. What facts do we have that support them?"
[2019-06-01 00:24:37] immortal_feud: if ian pmd me 5pm forum time how long ago was that?
[2019-06-01 00:25:00] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› Your actions. You seem to be bussing him a bit too hardcore, and you started it running out the gate. This reminds me of a play Coffee and I made last game, with him trying to hyperaggress on me, and I more or less ignored him, like how Espi is ignoring you
[2019-06-01 00:25:01] ddevans96: 5pm forum time?
[2019-06-01 00:25:23] immortal_feud: 12 Lives Round #3 « Sent to: immortal feud on: Today at 04:55:12 PM »
[2019-06-01 00:25:29] ddevans96: ‹@immortal_feud› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/profile/?a...
[2019-06-01 00:25:36] ddevans96: hit autodetect
[2019-06-01 00:25:46] ddevans96: it'll set the forum time to your local time
[2019-06-01 00:26:02] Mobian: With makes you both suspect in my eyes
[2019-06-01 00:26:21] ddevans96: (it's GMT by default tho)
[2019-06-01 00:26:48] immortal_feud: nice thanks
[2019-06-01 00:27:19] Espithel: I suppose the fact that I'm absolutely adamant that MW is town is an extra layer of that read, Mobian.
[2019-06-01 00:28:07] immortal_feud: werent we gutting back on mafia talk in chat?
[2019-06-01 00:28:59] ddevans96: yeah, gl with that
[2019-06-01 00:29:29] shockcannon: dump halfway done
[2019-06-01 00:29:42] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: it should be banned in future mafias, most players dont really wnat it, it seems
[2019-06-01 00:30:08] immortal_feud: in that case are we still going along with shocks rr plan?
[2019-06-01 00:30:39] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› Fair
[2019-06-01 00:30:43] immortal_feud: i think reading chat dumps would be nicer if they were screenshots not copypastes
[2019-06-01 00:31:43] MasterWalks: TL:DR help a lot
[2019-06-01 00:31:49] Espithel: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› You're sub, right?
[2019-06-01 00:31:51] MasterWalks: but you dont get the nitty gritty details
[2019-06-01 00:31:57] Espithel: Can we just ban chatfia now, or?
[2019-06-01 00:32:01] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: no
[2019-06-01 00:32:02] Espithel: Also @linkcat I guess
[2019-06-01 00:32:14] Espithel: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Stop being unimportant >:(
[2019-06-01 00:32:48] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: youre less important than shock
[2019-06-01 00:32:57] Espithel: OOF
[2019-06-01 00:33:02] Mobian: Most discussion happens here, and many of us use chat while mobile. I do think going forward it should be primarily on Discord though
[2019-06-01 00:33:29] Mobian: The thread would be primarily used to cast day votes
[2019-06-01 00:33:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: thats even worse
[2019-06-01 00:33:40] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: it ruins mafia
[2019-06-01 00:33:50] Mobian: How?
[2019-06-01 00:33:50] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: i can bet, youll get very low participation if that happened
[2019-06-01 00:33:58] Espithel: ^
[2019-06-01 00:34:15] Espithel: That was Chrysao^ not a mobian^
[2019-06-01 00:34:22] immortal_feud: discord messages arent very dense if you know what i mean
[2019-06-01 00:34:43] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: because not everyone is online to be reading chat
[2019-06-01 00:34:45] MasterWalks: youre dense
[2019-06-01 00:34:47] immortal_feud: i dont think its great if your trying to have everyone read everything in a discord
[2019-06-01 00:34:48] MasterWalks: /s
[2019-06-01 00:34:57] immortal_feud: ‹@MasterWalks› ;_;
[2019-06-01 00:35:01] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: Power went out
[2019-06-01 00:35:05] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: This is an issue
[2019-06-01 00:35:16] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: and many dont even use discord, thats a separate issue
[2019-06-01 00:35:22] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Do you live in Oklahoma?
[2019-06-01 00:35:34] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: mafia is best when it is only thread limited, with mafia members being allowed to communicate outside
[2019-06-01 00:35:48] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: No
[2019-06-01 00:36:23] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oi W3, your brit. Do you listen to brit rap?
[2019-06-01 00:36:36] Mobian: I likely wouldn't play that, as communication is too slow and mobile posting is shit
[2019-06-01 00:36:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: no
[2019-06-01 00:36:48] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: Halseys performance at bbmas
[2019-06-01 00:36:51] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: that gives me life
[2019-06-01 00:36:56] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: its perfect
[2019-06-01 00:37:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: ‹@Mobian› it is not slow, all you do is post instead of type in chat, and then every person playing can see it, instead of restricting the talk to people online at that time
[2019-06-01 00:38:07] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35:
[2019-06-01 00:38:09] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: y
[2019-06-01 00:38:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: (watch the vid too, dont just listen)
[2019-06-01 00:40:53] Wyand:
(5d6) 3 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 2 = 16 ...
[2019-06-01 00:41:30] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: WiFi coming back soon
[2019-06-01 00:41:35] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: Post is ready though
[2019-06-01 00:42:45] shockcannon: ayy
[2019-06-01 00:44:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Post of champions.
[2019-06-01 00:44:37] shockcannon: alright kids
[2019-06-01 00:44:38] shockcannon: have fun
[2019-06-01 00:44:43] shockcannon: my watch has ended
[2019-06-01 00:46:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. This post tastes good.
[2019-06-01 00:47:11] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 3 + 3 + 7 + 1 + 8 = 22 ...
[2019-06-01 00:49:49] Espithel: You didn't throw the game.
[2019-06-01 00:49:53] Espithel: That much is certain.
[2019-06-01 00:50:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from kaempfer13 in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[2019-06-01 00:50:49] shockcannon: i misused the word disclosed
[2019-06-01 00:50:53] shockcannon: i meant to say secret
[2019-06-01 00:53:02] Wyand: gn to all
[2019-06-01 00:54:51] MasterWalks: Hey kaempf
[2019-06-01 00:54:56] MasterWalks: whats up with the empty spoiler
[2019-06-01 00:55:30] kaempfer13: reference to one of shocks posts
[2019-06-01 00:55:50] MasterWalks: Oh his post with empty spoilers. Gotcha
[2019-06-01 00:55:59] kaempfer13: actually putting everything in would exceed the character limit
[2019-06-01 00:58:18] kaempfer13: I suggest everyone who jumped the gun retracts their vote for this day, so that voting on anyone else doesnt seem pointless
[2019-06-01 00:59:00] kaempfer13: the day has just started, you can put your vote back in later in the exact same state but at least allow for other options
[2019-06-01 00:59:47] kaempfer13: note that both people that are voted on have my attention as potentially bad for town
[2019-06-01 01:00:21] kaempfer13: but we need to allow the others to contribute their own thoughts
[2019-06-01 01:02:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[2019-06-01 01:04:14] shockcannon: chat got quiet lol
[2019-06-01 01:04:20] shockcannon: ‹@kaempfer13› you should prob just make a post
[2019-06-01 01:04:23] shockcannon: also gotta head out
[2019-06-01 01:04:26] shockcannon: peace kiddos
[2019-06-01 01:04:28] ddevans96: dd's head hurts too much to talk about mafia rn
[2019-05-31 23:47:57] Mobian: Damn you, Calindu
[2019-05-31 23:48:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. It needs a gold star.
[2019-05-31 23:49:10] shockcannon: so we have 2 FE for sure
[2019-05-31 23:49:16] shockcannon: assuming everyone else is not lying
[2019-05-31 23:49:19] shockcannon: 2 warden
[2019-05-31 23:49:21] shockcannon: 2 FFQ
[2019-05-31 23:49:24] shockcannon: 2 Anubis
[2019-05-31 23:49:35] shockcannon: lot of doubles
[2019-05-31 23:50:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Imagination at work.
[2019-05-31 23:54:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. This post would be a terrible thing to waste.
[2019-05-31 23:54:06] shockcannon: I wonder what maf chat is like right now
[2019-05-31 23:54:14] Calindu: I can confirm there is a second Warden, unless IW or someone else is lying on that topic
[2019-05-31 23:54:45] ddevans96: mafia team is probably something like Link, Cal/IW, Espi, someone barely active
[2019-05-31 23:54:51] ddevans96: I would bet money on me being 3/4 right rn
[2019-05-31 23:55:41] shockcannon: @MasterWalks
[2019-05-31 23:55:47] shockcannon: are you f*cking ready
[2019-05-31 23:55:52] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96›
[2019-05-31 23:55:54] shockcannon: same with you
[2019-05-31 23:56:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. Post fit for royalty, but affordable for all!
[2019-05-31 23:56:06] shockcannon: Because the real dump is coming now
[2019-05-31 23:56:13] ddevans96: let's go dude
[2019-05-31 23:56:35] MasterWalks: im ready to rumble
[2019-05-31 23:57:21] shockcannon: rant post first
[2019-05-31 23:57:26] shockcannon: because i'm a little heated
[2019-05-31 23:57:28] shockcannon: info dump after
[2019-05-31 23:58:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Wanna do a thing?
[2019-05-31 23:58:26] Linkcat: ‹@ddevans96› I would take that bet if the rules allowed it.
[2019-05-31 23:58:36] Wyand:
(5d6) 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 4 = 10 ...
[2019-05-31 23:59:02] Linkcat: Taking a shower and then going to an appointment, won't be too active for a bit.
[2019-05-31 23:59:10] Mobian: No rules against wagers
[2019-05-31 23:59:16] shockcannon: lol
[2019-05-31 23:59:20] shockcannon: "I asked for it"
[2019-05-31 23:59:31] shockcannon: great reason to give immortality to random person
[2019-06-01 00:00:37] Linkcat: Well they obviously have to be townreading me as well.
[2019-06-01 00:01:37] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 2 + 2 + 1 + 6 + 8 = 19 ...
[2019-06-01 00:04:47] MasterWalks: Honestly, Linkcat should not have immortality. With no PM's, that anubis is targeting people willy nilly and is assuming Linkcat is town based off read.
[2019-06-01 00:04:52] MasterWalks: Anubis is a scary role
[2019-06-01 00:05:19] MasterWalks: dd is right to not use it
[2019-06-01 00:07:40] kaempfer13: i wonder if mafia anubis would target normal people to make them seem more scummy
[2019-06-01 00:08:13] ddevans96: I think that would be a viable play
[2019-06-01 00:08:20] Calindu: Depends on their roles
[2019-06-01 00:08:41] Calindu: If their roles are not affected by Anubis and it fits the gameplan, I think it would be smart
[2019-06-01 00:08:49] MasterWalks: Psion + Anubis would be a nasty combo. Psion first then anubis
[2019-06-01 00:10:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. The post that refreshes.
[2019-06-01 00:10:04] shockcannon: alright dump time
[2019-06-01 00:13:28] ddevans96: this gon be good
[2019-06-01 00:13:41] Espithel: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
[2019-06-01 00:14:39] Mobian: Shock has made some good points, Espi. Doesn't really absolve him of misleading town, but his concerns are valid
[2019-06-01 00:14:52] Espithel: He has.
[2019-06-01 00:15:11] Espithel: Now that he's actually playing the game and not just faffing about, he's not just the fifth honourary mafia member
[2019-06-01 00:15:35] Mobian: No, but he may still be the 4th
[2019-06-01 00:15:46] kaempfer13: ‹@shockcannon› now can you finally put down those actual reads you claim to have gotten out of the responses to you?
[2019-06-01 00:15:55] MasterWalks: "Now that he's actually playing the game"
[2019-06-01 00:15:58] MasterWalks: Lmao
[2019-06-01 00:16:07] MasterWalks: He hasnt changed anything
[2019-06-01 00:16:17] MasterWalks: Hes just stating why he is doing what hes doing
[2019-06-01 00:16:33] MasterWalks: If shock goes quiet after his dump, its probably pretty harmful to town ngl
[2019-06-01 00:16:46] kaempfer13: did someone actually believe he was gn?
[2019-06-01 00:16:58] Espithel: Yeah, me and Cal jumped the gun bit too hard
[2019-06-01 00:16:59] ddevans96: hi, yes, me
[2019-06-01 00:17:02] MasterWalks: No, no one idi
[2019-06-01 00:17:05] ddevans96: I suspected it MUCH earlier
[2019-06-01 00:18:07] Mobian: Either way, the damage is done. Now, we'll be secondguessing any claims he makes going forward. Sure, he succeeded in sparking conversation, but also put himself under a huge microscope at the same time
[2019-06-01 00:18:54] kaempfer13: yh, no way to interpret his eventual death one way or another with so many contradictions
[2019-06-01 00:19:58] ddevans96: can we talk about the fact that people assumed I was mafia for things that would be extremely risky if I was mafia? and I had to spend literally a day and a half defending myself?
[2019-06-01 00:20:06] ddevans96: microscope has already been on this game
[2019-06-01 00:20:08] Wyand:
(5d6) 6 + 5 + 4 + 4 + 6 = 25 ...!
[2019-06-01 00:21:33] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: how long will this mafia run approximately?
[2019-06-01 00:21:52] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 7 + 4 + 4 + 9 + 1 = 25 ...
[2019-06-01 00:22:04] ddevans96: this town has shown they'll hyperfocus things, it's better if 'the microscope' is on someone who most people disregard as rogue
[2019-06-01 00:22:30] Mobian: My gut feeling is on both MW and Espi, tbh.
[2019-06-01 00:22:39] ddevans96: bc eventually it'll fizzle out, you'll either realize 'wow shock is mega town', or he'll out himself as mafia, or he won't matter and everyone will go back to ignoring him (even me this time)
[2019-06-01 00:23:23] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› I would like to know what leads you have on espi
[2019-06-01 00:24:07] Espithel: Of course you would
[2019-06-01 00:24:35] Espithel: "Where are the conclusions. What facts do we have that support them?"
[2019-06-01 00:24:37] immortal_feud: if ian pmd me 5pm forum time how long ago was that?
[2019-06-01 00:25:00] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› Your actions. You seem to be bussing him a bit too hardcore, and you started it running out the gate. This reminds me of a play Coffee and I made last game, with him trying to hyperaggress on me, and I more or less ignored him, like how Espi is ignoring you
[2019-06-01 00:25:01] ddevans96: 5pm forum time?
[2019-06-01 00:25:23] immortal_feud: 12 Lives Round #3 « Sent to: immortal feud on: Today at 04:55:12 PM »
[2019-06-01 00:25:29] ddevans96: ‹@immortal_feud› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/profile/?a...
[2019-06-01 00:25:36] ddevans96: hit autodetect
[2019-06-01 00:25:46] ddevans96: it'll set the forum time to your local time
[2019-06-01 00:26:02] Mobian: With makes you both suspect in my eyes
[2019-06-01 00:26:21] ddevans96: (it's GMT by default tho)
[2019-06-01 00:26:48] immortal_feud: nice thanks
[2019-06-01 00:27:19] Espithel: I suppose the fact that I'm absolutely adamant that MW is town is an extra layer of that read, Mobian.
[2019-06-01 00:28:07] immortal_feud: werent we gutting back on mafia talk in chat?
[2019-06-01 00:28:59] ddevans96: yeah, gl with that
[2019-06-01 00:29:29] shockcannon: dump halfway done
[2019-06-01 00:29:42] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: it should be banned in future mafias, most players dont really wnat it, it seems
[2019-06-01 00:30:08] immortal_feud: in that case are we still going along with shocks rr plan?
[2019-06-01 00:30:39] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› Fair
[2019-06-01 00:30:43] immortal_feud: i think reading chat dumps would be nicer if they were screenshots not copypastes
[2019-06-01 00:31:43] MasterWalks: TL:DR help a lot
[2019-06-01 00:31:49] Espithel: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› You're sub, right?
[2019-06-01 00:31:51] MasterWalks: but you dont get the nitty gritty details
[2019-06-01 00:31:57] Espithel: Can we just ban chatfia now, or?
[2019-06-01 00:32:01] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: no
[2019-06-01 00:32:02] Espithel: Also @linkcat I guess
[2019-06-01 00:32:14] Espithel: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› Stop being unimportant >:(
[2019-06-01 00:32:48] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: youre less important than shock
[2019-06-01 00:32:57] Espithel: OOF
[2019-06-01 00:33:02] Mobian: Most discussion happens here, and many of us use chat while mobile. I do think going forward it should be primarily on Discord though
[2019-06-01 00:33:29] Mobian: The thread would be primarily used to cast day votes
[2019-06-01 00:33:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: thats even worse
[2019-06-01 00:33:40] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: it ruins mafia
[2019-06-01 00:33:50] Mobian: How?
[2019-06-01 00:33:50] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: i can bet, youll get very low participation if that happened
[2019-06-01 00:33:58] Espithel: ^
[2019-06-01 00:34:15] Espithel: That was Chrysao^ not a mobian^
[2019-06-01 00:34:22] immortal_feud: discord messages arent very dense if you know what i mean
[2019-06-01 00:34:43] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: because not everyone is online to be reading chat
[2019-06-01 00:34:45] MasterWalks: youre dense
[2019-06-01 00:34:47] immortal_feud: i dont think its great if your trying to have everyone read everything in a discord
[2019-06-01 00:34:48] MasterWalks: /s
[2019-06-01 00:34:57] immortal_feud: ‹@MasterWalks› ;_;
[2019-06-01 00:35:01] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: Power went out
[2019-06-01 00:35:05] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: This is an issue
[2019-06-01 00:35:16] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: and many dont even use discord, thats a separate issue
[2019-06-01 00:35:22] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Do you live in Oklahoma?
[2019-06-01 00:35:34] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: mafia is best when it is only thread limited, with mafia members being allowed to communicate outside
[2019-06-01 00:35:48] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: No
[2019-06-01 00:36:23] MasterWalks: ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› oi W3, your brit. Do you listen to brit rap?
[2019-06-01 00:36:36] Mobian: I likely wouldn't play that, as communication is too slow and mobile posting is shit
[2019-06-01 00:36:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: no
[2019-06-01 00:36:48] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: Halseys performance at bbmas
[2019-06-01 00:36:51] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: that gives me life
[2019-06-01 00:36:56] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: its perfect
[2019-06-01 00:37:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: ‹@Mobian› it is not slow, all you do is post instead of type in chat, and then every person playing can see it, instead of restricting the talk to people online at that time
[2019-06-01 00:38:07] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35:
halse
[2019-06-01 00:38:09] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: y
[2019-06-01 00:38:36] Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35: (watch the vid too, dont just listen)
[2019-06-01 00:40:53] Wyand:
(5d6) 3 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 2 = 16 ...
[2019-06-01 00:41:30] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: WiFi coming back soon
[2019-06-01 00:41:35] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: Post is ready though
[2019-06-01 00:42:45] shockcannon: ayy
[2019-06-01 00:44:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Post of champions.
[2019-06-01 00:44:37] shockcannon: alright kids
[2019-06-01 00:44:38] shockcannon: have fun
[2019-06-01 00:44:43] shockcannon: my watch has ended
[2019-06-01 00:46:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. This post tastes good.
[2019-06-01 00:47:11] InsignificantWeeaboo:
(5d9) 3 + 3 + 7 + 1 + 8 = 22 ...
[2019-06-01 00:49:49] Espithel: You didn't throw the game.
[2019-06-01 00:49:53] Espithel: That much is certain.
[2019-06-01 00:50:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from kaempfer13 in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[2019-06-01 00:50:49] shockcannon: i misused the word disclosed
[2019-06-01 00:50:53] shockcannon: i meant to say secret
[2019-06-01 00:53:02] Wyand: gn to all
[2019-06-01 00:54:51] MasterWalks: Hey kaempf
[2019-06-01 00:54:56] MasterWalks: whats up with the empty spoiler
[2019-06-01 00:55:30] kaempfer13: reference to one of shocks posts
[2019-06-01 00:55:50] MasterWalks: Oh his post with empty spoilers. Gotcha
[2019-06-01 00:55:59] kaempfer13: actually putting everything in would exceed the character limit
[2019-06-01 00:58:18] kaempfer13: I suggest everyone who jumped the gun retracts their vote for this day, so that voting on anyone else doesnt seem pointless
[2019-06-01 00:59:00] kaempfer13: the day has just started, you can put your vote back in later in the exact same state but at least allow for other options
[2019-06-01 00:59:47] kaempfer13: note that both people that are voted on have my attention as potentially bad for town
[2019-06-01 01:00:21] kaempfer13: but we need to allow the others to contribute their own thoughts
[2019-06-01 01:02:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. Sharp minds, sharp posts.
[2019-06-01 01:04:14] shockcannon: chat got quiet lol
[2019-06-01 01:04:20] shockcannon: ‹@kaempfer13› you should prob just make a post
[2019-06-01 01:04:23] shockcannon: also gotta head out
[2019-06-01 01:04:26] shockcannon: peace kiddos
[2019-06-01 01:04:28] ddevans96: dd's head hurts too much to talk about mafia rn
Post by: MasterWalks on May 31, 2019, 11:34:26 pm
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Mobian on May 31, 2019, 11:48:18 pm
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
For reasons posted in chatlog.
Post by: Linkcat on June 01, 2019, 12:02:34 am
A vote breakdown would be great.
Post by: immortal feud on June 01, 2019, 12:05:03 am
I'll be brief and annotate.can only assume its because of inactivity. this is my first mafia and im not sure what im doing also last 3 days ive been in bed with the flu hence the more recent inactivity
- I'm GN and have checked ian and Linkcat.
- Linkcat is mafia
- I'm fairly certain mafia has psion and mindflayer
- I think it's likely that they discovered JCJs role n0
- I think the random moehrpi vote on JCJ was highly suspicious. Could be mafia throwing it out just to see if it gains traction without any pushing of it (which it did)
- Insig using warden last night was also suspicious but I think he's town. Again, I don't think mafia let themselves get into a situation where they're being voted up. Likely all the prime suspects so far have been town. This clears Insig and ddevans for me. Could be bussing but why bus if your team isn't even close to being on the radar
- Linkcat being mafia clears Espithel in my opinion
- ian said he had info to dump had he lived. To me this means a couple possible options. 1.) He lied about being blocked N0 and found some info. 2.) Insig actually blocked D2D N1 when targeting ddevans and ian was either roleblocked again (giving him info that there was a mind flayer or 2nd warden out there) or he hit a protected/untargetable player.
I've got some more hard info to share later, but I want votes on Linkcat for now.
Also, I want some thoughts on the following players that I find highly suspicious and likely mafia:
moehrpi
immortal_feud
mathman101
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 12:09:45 am
[00:47:19]
‹ddevans96› ‹@immortal_feud› do you have other lynch targets in mind?
‹immortal_feud› Not really. Don't think link is mafia, and shock is too much fun to get rid of even if he is mafia.
‹MasterWalks› Vote espi then.
‹ddevans96› What do you think about Espi, moe, kae?
‹immortal_feud› How do you feel about shock and link, dd?
‹ddevans96› Medium-high town read on shock. Light mafia read on Link.
‹immortal_feud› Got a read on me dd?
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‹Espithel› ‹@immortal_feud› You're too quiet to read, right now. I'm actually pretty surprised you survived the nightkill - the mafia are definitely lynching "inactive" players.
‹immortal_feud› Yeah, thought so. Didn't stop shock thinking inactivity was scummy. If inactives keep getting NK'd and then an active gets NK'd does that mean the remaining inactives are mafia?
‹Espithel› You can certainly push it that way, but you have to be careful. I think they're trying to kill the graboid, or find the golden nymph. The alternative is they're setting up some kind of toxic association; If they start killing active people, then it might be to silence that person, or to associate all the other inactives as scummy when they're not. It'd be on a case by case basis.
‹immortal_feud› does burrow not protect against NK?
‹Mobian› you are correct
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‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:52:51] ‹immortal_feud› got a read on me dd? < no, you've done very little in this game and what you have done reveals nothing. It is probable that one of the lower-activity players is mafia, but I have no reason to suspect you in particular.
‹immortal_feud› nice, sounds like im safe
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‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu? < neutral-light mafia on kae. light town on you. light town on Ginyu.
‹MasterWalks› Kaempf is town. Like he is my most town read at the moment.
‹ddevans96› what in particular makes you say that?
‹MasterWalks› He is completely understandable and relate-able when pressured about the awkward thing. He is making honest reads imo and now i would say he is playing like a town would now that he is acclimated to mafia
‹immortal_feud› this is kaes first mafia too yeah?
‹MasterWalks› yep
‹ddevans96› hm
‹ddevans96› interesting
[01:06:31]
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2019, 12:35:10 am
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 12:45:00 am
‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Could you elaborate your ginyu town read? Ginyu's not been talked about pretty much at all.
‹ddevans96› Just gut feeling, really. I can't point to any one specific thing about Ginyu that makes me lean town. Just a vibe.
‹ddevans96› Rereading key posts, yeah, I think Walks is right, I retract my mafia lean on Kae. Only neutral for me though, not town yet. need a bit more [info]. To clarify, it moves from 'mafia if I have to choose' to 'town if I have to choose'. So just the other side of neutral.
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‹ddevans96› what's everyone's reads on me rn?
‹Espithel› I think the mafia is completely happy with the state of the town right now, Which implies you're town.
‹Linkcat› Neutral still
‹immortal_feud› granted my reads are prob trash but i think ur town
‹MasterWalks› I have no idea what my read on you is. Espi says i need to stop saying experienced, but if you are mafia, you are "experienced" enough to hide very very well. I will go back and examine your posts more when I'm off work. I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence.
‹Espithel› Root's the most experienced mafia player here. :^)
‹shockcannon› These questions are a waste of time!
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‹ddevans96› "I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence" < what do you mean, and why?
‹MasterWalks› Because I don't think pressure should be lifted off you yet. I want you on your toes. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing Linkcat take your place as the vote hopped, Since it seems like we have got quite a bit of info from you already. I say we start putting pressure on link.
‹ddevans96› I start the game on my toes, doesn't matter how much pressure you put on me, but fair. Remember that Link set this whole process in motion by pressuring me d1; Only makes sense that he gets a strong look at, because this is an oddly under the radar game for him (and...also for Root, funnily enough)
I guess looking at the post counts, maybe not that much for Link.
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‹Mobian› RIP D2D
‹dawn_to_dusk› :(
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‹MasterWalks› Root is very weird this game. He is so focused on shock that its "tunnel visioning" him
‹Linkcat› I think this level of activity is normal for Root, a little less for me but I've been busy.
[01:40:26]
Post by: Linkcat on June 01, 2019, 10:42:06 am
[15:41:30] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› WiFi coming back soon
[15:41:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Post is ready though
[15:42:45] ‹shockcannon› ayy
[15:44:37] ‹shockcannon› alright kids
[15:44:38] ‹shockcannon› have fun
[15:44:43] ‹shockcannon› my watch has ended
[15:49:49] ‹Espithel› You didn't throw the game.
[15:49:53] ‹Espithel› That much is certain.
[15:50:49] ‹shockcannon› i misused the word disclosed
[15:50:53] ‹shockcannon› i meant to say secret
[15:53:02] ‹Wyand› gn to all
[15:54:51] ‹MasterWalks› Hey kaempf
[15:54:56] ‹MasterWalks› whats up with the empty spoiler
[15:55:30] ‹kaempfer13› reference to one of shocks posts
[15:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› Oh his post with empty spoilers. Gotcha
[15:55:59] ‹kaempfer13› actually putting everything in would exceed the character limit
[15:58:18] ‹kaempfer13› I suggest everyone who jumped the gun retracts their vote for this day, so that voting on anyone else doesnt seem pointless
[15:59:00] ‹kaempfer13› the day has just started, you can put your vote back in later in the exact same state but at least allow for other options
[15:59:47] ‹kaempfer13› note that both people that are voted on have my attention as potentially bad for town
[16:00:21] ‹kaempfer13› but we need to allow the others to contribute their own thoughts
[16:04:14] ‹shockcannon› chat got quiet lol
[16:04:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you should prob just make a post
[16:04:23] ‹shockcannon› also gotta head out
[16:04:26] ‹shockcannon› peace kiddos
[16:04:28] ‹ddevans96› dd's head hurts too much to talk about mafia rn
[16:04:58] • Espithel fucking smashes evan's face in with a sledgehammer
[16:05:33] ‹Espithel› You gotta build up that pain tolerance
[16:12:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› "potentially bad for town." Like the people themselves are bad for town or lynching tehm is bad for town?
[16:19:05] ‹kaempfer13› darn i almost had the tl;dr chatlog ready
[16:19:30] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› their actions may or may not be
[16:20:10] ‹kaempfer13› clarification could help
[16:20:51] ‹immortal_feud› how are roles rolled for mafia
[16:21:07] ‹Mobian› Straight random
[16:21:11] ‹MasterWalks› 4d19
[16:21:18] ‹immortal_feud› is every role dished out before duplicates
[16:21:20] ‹MasterWalks› i actually dont know
[16:21:31] ‹immortal_feud› ok so it is possible to have 0 of one roll and 3 of another
[16:21:36] ‹Espithel› I'd imagine it'd go like this:
[16:21:56] ‹Espithel› First off, roll 4d19, Those players become mafia.
[16:21:59] ‹Mobian› "mobian =1dx"
[16:22:15] ‹Mobian› x= # of roles
[16:22:21] ‹Espithel› Then roll 1d19. If that player is not mafia, they become the golden nymph. If they are, reroll.
[16:22:40] ‹Espithel› Then, for each player, Roll 1d20. 20 is the number of roles in this game (I think)
[16:22:44] ‹Espithel› They gain that role.
[16:22:53] ‹immortal_feud› or even 1d/15 fro GN
[16:23:54] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that'd work. The maths is the same.
[16:30:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› Oh sorry missed the bit where you said you post the whole chatlog at the end
[16:37:43] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:40:02] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:42:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I am so sad I died
[16:43:11] ‹MasterWalks› I have a shoulder
[16:47:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› we can talk
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@immortal_feud› do you have other lynch targets in mind?
[16:47:55] ‹immortal_feud› not really
[16:48:13] ‹immortal_feud› dont think link is mafia
[16:48:28] ‹immortal_feud› and shock is too much fun to get rid of even if he is mafia
[16:48:46] ‹MasterWalks› Vote espi then.
[16:50:03] ‹ddevans96› what do you think about Espi, moe, kae?
[16:50:29] ‹immortal_feud› how do you feel about shock and link dd?
[16:50:50] ‹MyNameIsJoey› guys, you're totally going the wrong way here
[16:50:55] ‹MyNameIsJoey› IM the mafia, obviously.
[16:51:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Vote Joey guys
[16:51:21] ‹MasterWalks› ji412jo (1) - MasterWalks
[16:51:22] ‹ddevans96› medium-high town read on shock. light mafia read on Link
[16:51:35] ‹MasterWalks› I dont remember the 3 numbers in the middle
[16:51:45] ‹ddevans96› you got them right
[16:51:53] ‹MasterWalks› oh wow
[16:52:33] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I've talked under that name in chat for so long that evans probably remembers them better than the ones in his own username :sillyspin:
[16:52:51] ‹immortal_feud› got a read on me dd?
[16:52:59] ‹Espithel› ji412jo (2) - MasterWalks, Espithel
[16:53:12] ‹Espithel› ‹@immortal_feud› You're too quiet to read, right now.
[16:53:34] ‹Espithel› I'm actually pretty surprised you survived the nightkill - the mafia are definitely lynching "inactive" players
[16:53:47] ‹immortal_feud› yeah thought so
[16:54:13] ‹immortal_feud› didnt stop shock thinking inactivity was scummy
[16:55:00] ‹immortal_feud› if inactives keep getting NK'd and then an active gets NK'd does that mean the remaining inactives are mafia?
[16:55:24] ‹Espithel› You can certainly push it that way, but you have to be careful.
[16:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu?
[16:56:01] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ji412jo (3) - MasterWalks, Espithel, InsignificantWeeaboo
[16:56:09] ‹Espithel› I think they're trying to kill the graboid, or find the golden nymph.
[16:57:35] ‹immortal_feud› does burrow not protect against NK?
[16:58:52] ‹Mobian› you are correct
[16:59:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:59:27] ‹Espithel› The alternative is they're setting up some kind of toxic association
[16:59:38] ‹ddevans96› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› you were born in the year 20412? :silly:
[16:59:49] ‹ddevans96› er, 19412 for the joke, but...rabble rabble
[17:00:38] ‹Espithel› If they start killing active people, then it might be to silence that person, or to associate all the other inactives as scummy when they're not.
[17:00:51] ‹Espithel› It'd be on a case by case basis.
[17:00:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› [00:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu?
[17:01:07] ‹ddevans96› quiet, I'm getting there
[17:01:27] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:52:51] ‹immortal_feud› got a read on me dd? < no, you've done very little in this game and what you have done reveals nothing
[17:01:44] ‹ddevans96› it is probable that one of the lower-activity players is mafia, but I have no reason to suspect you in particular
[17:02:04] ‹immortal_feud› nice, sounds like im safe
[17:02:28] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu? < neutral-light mafia on kae. light town on you. light town on Ginyu
[17:02:47] ‹MasterWalks› Kaempf is town
[17:02:58] ‹MasterWalks› Like he is my most town read at the moment.
[17:03:03] ‹MasterWalks› Besides myself
[17:03:16] ‹ddevans96› what in particular makes you say that?
[17:05:11] ‹MasterWalks› He is completely understandable and relate-able when pressured about the awkward thing. He is making honest reads imo and now i would say he is playing like a town would now that he is acclimated to mafia
[17:05:41] ‹immortal_feud› this is kaes first mafia too yeah?
[17:05:46] ‹MasterWalks› yep
[17:06:28] ‹ddevans96› hm
[17:06:31] ‹ddevans96› interesting
[17:06:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› that mafia talk almost makes me want to join
[17:06:46] ‹MyNameIsJoey› except it looks too time consuming
[17:06:52] ‹MyNameIsJoey› (join next one, obviously is what i meant)
[17:07:06] ‹immortal_feud› wait hmm did i ever post round2 12 lives dewkc
[17:07:13] ‹immortal_feud› decks*
[17:07:58] ‹immortal_feud› ok i did good
[17:09:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Could you elaborate your ginyu town read?
[17:09:29] ‹Espithel› Ginyu's not been talked about pretty much at all
[17:11:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I like your blab post method
[17:12:05] ‹Espithel› Thank you.
[17:12:18] ‹Espithel› The idea's to get it as close to a "normal forum post" as possible
[17:13:01] ‹immortal_feud› still think screenies are the way to go
[17:13:16] ‹immortal_feud› gets all those pretty colours
[17:13:41] ‹ddevans96› just gut feeling, really
[17:13:57] ‹ddevans96› I can't point to any one specific thing about Ginyu that makes me lean town
[17:13:58] ‹ddevans96› just a vibe
[17:14:35] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, this method is really good, I'll be doing the same
[17:14:37] ‹ddevans96› or attempting to
[17:15:13] ‹ddevans96› rereading key posts, yeah, I think you're right, I retract my mafia lean on kae
[17:15:16] ‹immortal_feud› well it is edited tho
[17:15:20] ‹ddevans96› only neutral for me though, not town yet. need a bit more
[17:15:48] ‹immortal_feud› cut to make it relevant to me
[17:16:10] ‹ddevans96› to clarify, it moves from 'neutral' to 'neutral', just 'mafia if I have to choose' to 'town if I have to choose'
[17:16:16] ‹ddevans96› so just the other side of neutral
[17:16:43] ‹ddevans96› what's everyone's reads on me rn?
[17:17:07] ‹Espithel› I think the mafia is completely happy with the state of the town right now
[17:17:07] ‹Linkcat› Neutral still
[17:17:11] ‹Espithel› Which implies you're town
[17:17:24] ‹shockcannon› these questions are a waste of time
[17:17:44] ‹shockcannon› also
[17:17:48] ‹shockcannon› i need playeroa
[17:17:49] ‹shockcannon› where is he
[17:17:52] ‹immortal_feud› granted my reads are prob trash but i think ur town
[17:17:54] ‹ddevans96› Norway
[17:18:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Like fippe?
[17:18:08] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Kappa
[17:19:24] ‹MasterWalks› I have no idea what my read on you is. Espi says i need to stop saying experienced, but if you are mafia, you are "experienced" enough to hide very very well. I will go back and examine your posts more when im off work. I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence
[17:20:19] ‹Espithel› Root's the most experienced mafia player here
[17:20:20] ‹Espithel› :^)
[17:20:23] ‹immortal_feud› is that @dd MW?
[17:20:42] ‹ddevans96› I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence < what do you mean, and why?
[17:20:44] ‹immortal_feud› i thought dd had played more mafia than anyone
[17:20:57] ‹ddevans96› on these forums, yeah
[17:21:11] ‹ddevans96› Root has some experience with strategic games elsewhere, though
[17:21:18] ‹Espithel› Root's pretty infamous for fucking breaking half the mafias he played
[17:21:32] ‹Espithel› Remember when we had like 6 mass roleclaims in six games?
[17:21:47] ‹ddevans96› [half of those mafias were badly designed]
[17:21:53] ‹ddevans96› [in hindsight]
[17:21:57] ‹shockcannon› how ironic
[17:22:00] ‹Espithel› [[This is true but c'mon]]
[17:22:04] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@immortal_feud› yes
[17:22:21] ‹MyNameIsJoey› To be honest
[17:22:32] ‹MyNameIsJoey› you don't need to add 99 new rules to make a new good mafia.
[17:22:44] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Hell you can play basic mafia 10 times in a row and get 10 different games.
[17:22:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› join my forum game
[17:22:51] ‹shockcannon› not nearly as time consuming
[17:23:18] ‹Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› I'm referring to "true" roleclaims, btw. Where PMs are allowed, you could have someone claim cop (GN), force everyone to tell you their role or die, and keep the cop protected with a doctor
[17:23:27] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@shockcannon› I just read rule 1 and I already don't feel like playing.
[17:23:27] ‹ddevans96› I've played the most games here, but I wouldn't say I was good at mafia until, like...30 or 40
[17:23:38] ‹ddevans96› idk, was a long, long time ago
[17:23:42] ‹Espithel› It's a broken strat if you can guarantee the safety of the cop
[17:23:50] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› Because i dont think pressure should be lifted off you yet. I want you on your toes. In fact, I wouldnt mind seeing Linkcat take your place as the vote hopped.
[17:24:18] ‹MasterWalks› Since it seems like we have got quite a bit of info from you already, i say we start putting pressure on link.
[17:24:59] ‹ddevans96› I start the game on my toes, doesn't matter how much pressure you put on me
[17:25:00] ‹ddevans96› but fair
[17:25:51] ‹ddevans96› reminder that Link set this whole process in motion by pressuring me d1
[17:25:59] ‹ddevans96› only makes sense that he gets a strong look at
[17:26:14] ‹ddevans96› bc this is an oddly under the radar game for him (and...also for Root, funnily enough)
[17:27:23] ‹ddevans96› I guess looking at the post counts, maybe not that much for Link
[17:28:20] ‹Mobian› RIP D2D
[17:28:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :(
[17:28:55] ‹Guest-Graboid-0dbfb› Hi
[17:30:47] ‹MyNameIsJoey› so shock, i just read the remaining of the rules, and no thanks.
[17:31:13] ‹shockcannon› ok
[17:31:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› I WANT TO TALK MAFIA TO DEAD CIVS BUT THEY AINT HERE
[17:31:58] ‹ddevans96› send them forum PMs
[17:32:02] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› They migthve made a dead civ discord channel
[17:32:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i dont want to talk that badly XD
[17:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› We almost did that last game but by the time we organized it game was over
[17:32:31] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@MasterWalks› nah, they aint that bothered im p sure
[17:33:28] ‹MasterWalks› Root i very weird this game. He is so focused on shock that its "tunnel visioning" him
[17:34:26] ‹MyNameIsJoey› also, thing with forum mafias is
[17:34:36] ‹MyNameIsJoey› the amount of time one can input compared to another influences reads.
[17:40:26] ‹Linkcat› I think this level of activity is normal for Root, a little less for me but I've been busy.
[17:51:14] ‹Linkcat› Root is great at mechanics but he doesn't believe in reads. Those are the main two halves of the game, so as the average skill in reading advances, he gets relatively worse at the game. So my hot take is that Root isn't actually that good at mafia, but the casual level of play and breakable setups made him one of the best players.
[17:52:02] ‹Espithel› "He doesn't believe in reads"
[17:52:04] ‹Espithel› Is that, like
[17:52:06] ‹Espithel› As a concept or
[17:52:52] ‹shockcannon› 1 word
[17:52:54] ‹shockcannon› NoobRanger
[17:57:34] ‹Linkcat› Reading based on anything but hard information.
[15:41:35] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Post is ready though
[15:42:45] ‹shockcannon› ayy
[15:44:37] ‹shockcannon› alright kids
[15:44:38] ‹shockcannon› have fun
[15:44:43] ‹shockcannon› my watch has ended
[15:49:49] ‹Espithel› You didn't throw the game.
[15:49:53] ‹Espithel› That much is certain.
[15:50:49] ‹shockcannon› i misused the word disclosed
[15:50:53] ‹shockcannon› i meant to say secret
[15:53:02] ‹Wyand› gn to all
[15:54:51] ‹MasterWalks› Hey kaempf
[15:54:56] ‹MasterWalks› whats up with the empty spoiler
[15:55:30] ‹kaempfer13› reference to one of shocks posts
[15:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› Oh his post with empty spoilers. Gotcha
[15:55:59] ‹kaempfer13› actually putting everything in would exceed the character limit
[15:58:18] ‹kaempfer13› I suggest everyone who jumped the gun retracts their vote for this day, so that voting on anyone else doesnt seem pointless
[15:59:00] ‹kaempfer13› the day has just started, you can put your vote back in later in the exact same state but at least allow for other options
[15:59:47] ‹kaempfer13› note that both people that are voted on have my attention as potentially bad for town
[16:00:21] ‹kaempfer13› but we need to allow the others to contribute their own thoughts
[16:04:14] ‹shockcannon› chat got quiet lol
[16:04:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you should prob just make a post
[16:04:23] ‹shockcannon› also gotta head out
[16:04:26] ‹shockcannon› peace kiddos
[16:04:28] ‹ddevans96› dd's head hurts too much to talk about mafia rn
[16:04:58] • Espithel fucking smashes evan's face in with a sledgehammer
[16:05:33] ‹Espithel› You gotta build up that pain tolerance
[16:12:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› "potentially bad for town." Like the people themselves are bad for town or lynching tehm is bad for town?
[16:19:05] ‹kaempfer13› darn i almost had the tl;dr chatlog ready
[16:19:30] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› their actions may or may not be
[16:20:10] ‹kaempfer13› clarification could help
[16:20:51] ‹immortal_feud› how are roles rolled for mafia
[16:21:07] ‹Mobian› Straight random
[16:21:11] ‹MasterWalks› 4d19
[16:21:18] ‹immortal_feud› is every role dished out before duplicates
[16:21:20] ‹MasterWalks› i actually dont know
[16:21:31] ‹immortal_feud› ok so it is possible to have 0 of one roll and 3 of another
[16:21:36] ‹Espithel› I'd imagine it'd go like this:
[16:21:56] ‹Espithel› First off, roll 4d19, Those players become mafia.
[16:21:59] ‹Mobian› "mobian =1dx"
[16:22:15] ‹Mobian› x= # of roles
[16:22:21] ‹Espithel› Then roll 1d19. If that player is not mafia, they become the golden nymph. If they are, reroll.
[16:22:40] ‹Espithel› Then, for each player, Roll 1d20. 20 is the number of roles in this game (I think)
[16:22:44] ‹Espithel› They gain that role.
[16:22:53] ‹immortal_feud› or even 1d/15 fro GN
[16:23:54] ‹Espithel› Yeah, that'd work. The maths is the same.
[16:30:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› Oh sorry missed the bit where you said you post the whole chatlog at the end
[16:37:43] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:40:02] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:42:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I am so sad I died
[16:43:11] ‹MasterWalks› I have a shoulder
[16:47:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› we can talk
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@immortal_feud› do you have other lynch targets in mind?
[16:47:55] ‹immortal_feud› not really
[16:48:13] ‹immortal_feud› dont think link is mafia
[16:48:28] ‹immortal_feud› and shock is too much fun to get rid of even if he is mafia
[16:48:46] ‹MasterWalks› Vote espi then.
[16:50:03] ‹ddevans96› what do you think about Espi, moe, kae?
[16:50:29] ‹immortal_feud› how do you feel about shock and link dd?
[16:50:50] ‹MyNameIsJoey› guys, you're totally going the wrong way here
[16:50:55] ‹MyNameIsJoey› IM the mafia, obviously.
[16:51:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Vote Joey guys
[16:51:21] ‹MasterWalks› ji412jo (1) - MasterWalks
[16:51:22] ‹ddevans96› medium-high town read on shock. light mafia read on Link
[16:51:35] ‹MasterWalks› I dont remember the 3 numbers in the middle
[16:51:45] ‹ddevans96› you got them right
[16:51:53] ‹MasterWalks› oh wow
[16:52:33] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I've talked under that name in chat for so long that evans probably remembers them better than the ones in his own username :sillyspin:
[16:52:51] ‹immortal_feud› got a read on me dd?
[16:52:59] ‹Espithel› ji412jo (2) - MasterWalks, Espithel
[16:53:12] ‹Espithel› ‹@immortal_feud› You're too quiet to read, right now.
[16:53:34] ‹Espithel› I'm actually pretty surprised you survived the nightkill - the mafia are definitely lynching "inactive" players
[16:53:47] ‹immortal_feud› yeah thought so
[16:54:13] ‹immortal_feud› didnt stop shock thinking inactivity was scummy
[16:55:00] ‹immortal_feud› if inactives keep getting NK'd and then an active gets NK'd does that mean the remaining inactives are mafia?
[16:55:24] ‹Espithel› You can certainly push it that way, but you have to be careful.
[16:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu?
[16:56:01] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ji412jo (3) - MasterWalks, Espithel, InsignificantWeeaboo
[16:56:09] ‹Espithel› I think they're trying to kill the graboid, or find the golden nymph.
[16:57:35] ‹immortal_feud› does burrow not protect against NK?
[16:58:52] ‹Mobian› you are correct
[16:59:10] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:59:27] ‹Espithel› The alternative is they're setting up some kind of toxic association
[16:59:38] ‹ddevans96› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› you were born in the year 20412? :silly:
[16:59:49] ‹ddevans96› er, 19412 for the joke, but...rabble rabble
[17:00:38] ‹Espithel› If they start killing active people, then it might be to silence that person, or to associate all the other inactives as scummy when they're not.
[17:00:51] ‹Espithel› It'd be on a case by case basis.
[17:00:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› [00:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu?
[17:01:07] ‹ddevans96› quiet, I'm getting there
[17:01:27] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:52:51] ‹immortal_feud› got a read on me dd? < no, you've done very little in this game and what you have done reveals nothing
[17:01:44] ‹ddevans96› it is probable that one of the lower-activity players is mafia, but I have no reason to suspect you in particular
[17:02:04] ‹immortal_feud› nice, sounds like im safe
[17:02:28] ‹ddevans96› [2019-05-31 17:55:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› whats your reads on kaempf, me, and ginyu? < neutral-light mafia on kae. light town on you. light town on Ginyu
[17:02:47] ‹MasterWalks› Kaempf is town
[17:02:58] ‹MasterWalks› Like he is my most town read at the moment.
[17:03:03] ‹MasterWalks› Besides myself
[17:03:16] ‹ddevans96› what in particular makes you say that?
[17:05:11] ‹MasterWalks› He is completely understandable and relate-able when pressured about the awkward thing. He is making honest reads imo and now i would say he is playing like a town would now that he is acclimated to mafia
[17:05:41] ‹immortal_feud› this is kaes first mafia too yeah?
[17:05:46] ‹MasterWalks› yep
[17:06:28] ‹ddevans96› hm
[17:06:31] ‹ddevans96› interesting
[17:06:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› that mafia talk almost makes me want to join
[17:06:46] ‹MyNameIsJoey› except it looks too time consuming
[17:06:52] ‹MyNameIsJoey› (join next one, obviously is what i meant)
[17:07:06] ‹immortal_feud› wait hmm did i ever post round2 12 lives dewkc
[17:07:13] ‹immortal_feud› decks*
[17:07:58] ‹immortal_feud› ok i did good
[17:09:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Could you elaborate your ginyu town read?
[17:09:29] ‹Espithel› Ginyu's not been talked about pretty much at all
[17:11:36] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I like your blab post method
[17:12:05] ‹Espithel› Thank you.
[17:12:18] ‹Espithel› The idea's to get it as close to a "normal forum post" as possible
[17:13:01] ‹immortal_feud› still think screenies are the way to go
[17:13:16] ‹immortal_feud› gets all those pretty colours
[17:13:41] ‹ddevans96› just gut feeling, really
[17:13:57] ‹ddevans96› I can't point to any one specific thing about Ginyu that makes me lean town
[17:13:58] ‹ddevans96› just a vibe
[17:14:35] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, this method is really good, I'll be doing the same
[17:14:37] ‹ddevans96› or attempting to
[17:15:13] ‹ddevans96› rereading key posts, yeah, I think you're right, I retract my mafia lean on kae
[17:15:16] ‹immortal_feud› well it is edited tho
[17:15:20] ‹ddevans96› only neutral for me though, not town yet. need a bit more
[17:15:48] ‹immortal_feud› cut to make it relevant to me
[17:16:10] ‹ddevans96› to clarify, it moves from 'neutral' to 'neutral', just 'mafia if I have to choose' to 'town if I have to choose'
[17:16:16] ‹ddevans96› so just the other side of neutral
[17:16:43] ‹ddevans96› what's everyone's reads on me rn?
[17:17:07] ‹Espithel› I think the mafia is completely happy with the state of the town right now
[17:17:07] ‹Linkcat› Neutral still
[17:17:11] ‹Espithel› Which implies you're town
[17:17:24] ‹shockcannon› these questions are a waste of time
[17:17:44] ‹shockcannon› also
[17:17:48] ‹shockcannon› i need playeroa
[17:17:49] ‹shockcannon› where is he
[17:17:52] ‹immortal_feud› granted my reads are prob trash but i think ur town
[17:17:54] ‹ddevans96› Norway
[17:18:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Like fippe?
[17:18:08] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Kappa
[17:19:24] ‹MasterWalks› I have no idea what my read on you is. Espi says i need to stop saying experienced, but if you are mafia, you are "experienced" enough to hide very very well. I will go back and examine your posts more when im off work. I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence
[17:20:19] ‹Espithel› Root's the most experienced mafia player here
[17:20:20] ‹Espithel› :^)
[17:20:23] ‹immortal_feud› is that @dd MW?
[17:20:42] ‹ddevans96› I still think you should be the one every night everyone is vote hopping on until we have more concrete evidence < what do you mean, and why?
[17:20:44] ‹immortal_feud› i thought dd had played more mafia than anyone
[17:20:57] ‹ddevans96› on these forums, yeah
[17:21:11] ‹ddevans96› Root has some experience with strategic games elsewhere, though
[17:21:18] ‹Espithel› Root's pretty infamous for fucking breaking half the mafias he played
[17:21:32] ‹Espithel› Remember when we had like 6 mass roleclaims in six games?
[17:21:47] ‹ddevans96› [half of those mafias were badly designed]
[17:21:53] ‹ddevans96› [in hindsight]
[17:21:57] ‹shockcannon› how ironic
[17:22:00] ‹Espithel› [[This is true but c'mon]]
[17:22:04] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@immortal_feud› yes
[17:22:21] ‹MyNameIsJoey› To be honest
[17:22:32] ‹MyNameIsJoey› you don't need to add 99 new rules to make a new good mafia.
[17:22:44] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Hell you can play basic mafia 10 times in a row and get 10 different games.
[17:22:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› join my forum game
[17:22:51] ‹shockcannon› not nearly as time consuming
[17:23:18] ‹Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› I'm referring to "true" roleclaims, btw. Where PMs are allowed, you could have someone claim cop (GN), force everyone to tell you their role or die, and keep the cop protected with a doctor
[17:23:27] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@shockcannon› I just read rule 1 and I already don't feel like playing.
[17:23:27] ‹ddevans96› I've played the most games here, but I wouldn't say I was good at mafia until, like...30 or 40
[17:23:38] ‹ddevans96› idk, was a long, long time ago
[17:23:42] ‹Espithel› It's a broken strat if you can guarantee the safety of the cop
[17:23:50] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› Because i dont think pressure should be lifted off you yet. I want you on your toes. In fact, I wouldnt mind seeing Linkcat take your place as the vote hopped.
[17:24:18] ‹MasterWalks› Since it seems like we have got quite a bit of info from you already, i say we start putting pressure on link.
[17:24:59] ‹ddevans96› I start the game on my toes, doesn't matter how much pressure you put on me
[17:25:00] ‹ddevans96› but fair
[17:25:51] ‹ddevans96› reminder that Link set this whole process in motion by pressuring me d1
[17:25:59] ‹ddevans96› only makes sense that he gets a strong look at
[17:26:14] ‹ddevans96› bc this is an oddly under the radar game for him (and...also for Root, funnily enough)
[17:27:23] ‹ddevans96› I guess looking at the post counts, maybe not that much for Link
[17:28:20] ‹Mobian› RIP D2D
[17:28:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :(
[17:28:55] ‹Guest-Graboid-0dbfb› Hi
[17:30:47] ‹MyNameIsJoey› so shock, i just read the remaining of the rules, and no thanks.
[17:31:13] ‹shockcannon› ok
[17:31:39] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› I WANT TO TALK MAFIA TO DEAD CIVS BUT THEY AINT HERE
[17:31:58] ‹ddevans96› send them forum PMs
[17:32:02] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› They migthve made a dead civ discord channel
[17:32:16] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› i dont want to talk that badly XD
[17:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› We almost did that last game but by the time we organized it game was over
[17:32:31] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› ‹@MasterWalks› nah, they aint that bothered im p sure
[17:33:28] ‹MasterWalks› Root i very weird this game. He is so focused on shock that its "tunnel visioning" him
[17:34:26] ‹MyNameIsJoey› also, thing with forum mafias is
[17:34:36] ‹MyNameIsJoey› the amount of time one can input compared to another influences reads.
[17:40:26] ‹Linkcat› I think this level of activity is normal for Root, a little less for me but I've been busy.
[17:51:14] ‹Linkcat› Root is great at mechanics but he doesn't believe in reads. Those are the main two halves of the game, so as the average skill in reading advances, he gets relatively worse at the game. So my hot take is that Root isn't actually that good at mafia, but the casual level of play and breakable setups made him one of the best players.
[17:52:02] ‹Espithel› "He doesn't believe in reads"
[17:52:04] ‹Espithel› Is that, like
[17:52:06] ‹Espithel› As a concept or
[17:52:52] ‹shockcannon› 1 word
[17:52:54] ‹shockcannon› NoobRanger
[17:57:34] ‹Linkcat› Reading based on anything but hard information.
Post by: Linkcat on June 01, 2019, 12:19:11 pm
(Villager, Neutral, Wolf, goes from towniest to scummiest)
vv
Shock - See my recent post.
v
MW - Bad town.
Insig - Bad town.
n+
Calin - Playing well and healthily contributing to discussion. I agree with most of what he says.
kaempfer - Really seems to be coming from a town point of view.
n
immortal feud - Inactive, has been sick, seems confused as either alignment. His townreads are me and my biggest townread, so that's good.
Ginyu - Semi-active, would like to see him push some lynches.
dd - Probably town if he's telling the truth about his role, for now could easily be town or mafia.
Mobian - Honestly hasn't made much of an impression.
moehrpi - Has been semi-active but started contributing more, realistic play for a first timer of either alignment.
Espithel - Has been fairly towny but I believe scum Espithel would do all this shit.
n-
Root - Been getting weird vibes from him for most of the game.
math - Super inactive, could easily be mafia laying low.
Coffee - Super inactive, actually should have been modkilled.
w
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Now that I finally got around to doing this, you'll see the same problem I do. With kaempfer moving to a town lean, I have no actual scumreads. It's pretty hard to find a 4-man team out of this list, but I have a general idea.
I believe that mafia has been mostly hanging back, and if they have been in the spotlight then it's the people I have the hardest time reading. (Espi/dd, even both is not off the table)
Two are in the low profile group: feud, Ginyu, moehrpi, math, Coffee
Two are in the rest that I'm not townreading: Calin, kaempfer, Mobian, Espi, Root
Will definitely need to examine votes to find possible relationships. Right now I'm okay with a lynch on anyone in my n or n- groups. It's hard to get a proper POE with this amount of low activity players and all the people not voting. I'm going to pressure the least active player that shouldn't already be dead. We need everyone to be active at this stage of the game. I keep pushing and nothing is giving. I just need one breakthrough and this game will be blown wide open.
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
@mathman101
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 01, 2019, 12:35:10 pm
Here the lynchlog:
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 01, 2019, 04:35:45 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 01, 2019, 05:45:05 pm
vv
shock
v
MasterWalks
Calindu
n+
kaempfer
moerhpi
immortal feud
Ginyu
n1
Mobian
Root
n2 [low activity, one is probably mafia]
Coffee
mathman
n-
Espithel
w
Linkcat
IW
ww
-
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 06:00:58 pm
I'm still alive.
Don't jinx it.
Post by: RootRanger on June 01, 2019, 06:01:09 pm
@RootRanger I need you scum reads. Besides the shock hate, i have no idea who youre looking at. You bashed shock for not helping town so lets see you help town and share some readsLinkcat's description of me was accurate; I strongly favor mechanics over reads. There's not especially strong public information that anyone is mafia, in which case it makes the most sense to me to simply lynch the players who are acting in the best interests of mafia. If they're civilian, we've lost less than if we had lynched any other civ. It's not just hate; it's my strategy to prefer lynches on players who are disrupting civ gameplay. Most recently, shock's lies have forced a FFQ claim, plus revealed that Linkcat is immaterial, which just gives mafia more info. And god forbid if we had an inexperienced GN who had counterclaimed in response to shock's (likely fake) GN claim - it would have been hugely detrimental to the civs. So, when no one strikes me as an obvious mafia, the choice defaults to the player who has been doing the most to advance the interests of the mafia.
My second choice lynch would be Insig because I think his roleblock was the wrong play for a civ. My third choice lynch would be Espithel because of the continued push on him from MW.
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2019, 06:36:30 pm
[10:43:05] ‹RootRanger› writing up a mafia post but if anyone wants to shoot any questions while i'm here hmu
[10:43:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› shock read
[10:43:37] ‹RootRanger› pure chaos
[10:44:07] ‹RootRanger› I think people generally overestimate their reads
[10:44:34] ‹RootRanger› as in, people will think they have a 50% chance of lynching a mafia but it's actually closer to 25% and so forth
[10:45:14] ‹RootRanger› I don't think shock is drastically more likely than anyone else to be mafia - I don't make that claim about anybody
[10:45:46] ‹MasterWalks› So you dont have mafia reads?
[10:45:47] ‹RootRanger› But when he lies about his night action and likely lies about his role as well, he forces roleclaims, and that's not a good thing
[10:46:14] ‹RootRanger› There's no one who I can say "this player is mafia with >50% chance"
[10:46:32] ‹RootRanger› I think shock is the best lynch because his play is detrimental to us
[10:46:57] ‹MasterWalks› nobody has counterclaimed. Cal claimed when he was asked to, but multiple people asked for FFQ to claim this day
[10:47:03] ‹RootRanger› I think similarly about Insig but to a lesser effect
[10:47:06] ‹MasterWalks› Most people are ignoring him
[10:47:16] ‹MasterWalks› Insig is detrimental to town?
[10:47:20] ‹RootRanger› He was inciting a GN counterclaim
[10:47:24] ‹RootRanger› we're f ortunate it didn't happen
[10:47:31] ‹RootRanger› But if it had, it would've really hurt us
[10:47:42] ‹RootRanger› Yes, by roleblocking based on very weak reasons
[10:48:02] ‹RootRanger› So my lynch tier list is 1.) shock 2.) Insig
[10:48:15] ‹RootRanger› After that I'd probably look into GN breadcrumbs
[10:48:25] ‹RootRanger› Espi comes to mind
[10:48:30] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› id argue the weak part, but i see what your coming from
[10:48:54] ‹MasterWalks› Espi is not GN
[10:49:10] ‹MasterWalks› he is mafia. If anyone is GN its one of the quiet people
[10:49:39] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I wouldn't call IW's block on me weak, multiple people wanted me lynched
[10:50:06] ‹RootRanger› Yeah, I meant Espi as mafia
[10:50:11] ‹RootRanger› I don't think he's a likely GN
[10:50:26] ‹RootRanger› Yes @dd but their reasons were pretty weak imo
[10:51:08] ‹Espithel› This should be entertaining.
[10:51:36] ‹MasterWalks› sure, but insig had to completely rely on what everyone is saying since he is not a info role without blocking. He blocked dd for info reasons is my guess and he found out someone thought the same since dd was also targeted by oty
[10:52:07] ‹MasterWalks› if anything oty is more scummy than ward in that interaction
[10:52:54] ‹RootRanger› Yeah the oty play was really sketch
[10:52:56] ‹Espithel› I would, however
[10:53:00] ‹RootRanger› But I think it was iancu?
[10:53:06] ‹Espithel› Like to point out that we only have 2 more lynches until lynch or die
[10:53:08] ‹RootRanger› And he's dead so :/
[10:53:18] ‹Espithel› Can we afford to lynch someone we think is town just because he's a bit wonky?
[10:53:52] ‹ddevans96› could have also been dawn
[10:53:54] ‹Espithel› If it was day 1/2 I could understand it, but there is a point where that's not practical. Wondering if day 3 is that point.
[10:53:55] ‹ddevans96› no?
[10:54:18] ‹RootRanger› everyone we could lynch is someone who is >50% town
[10:54:42] ‹Espithel› Shock is considered overwhelmingly town.
[10:54:45] ‹ddevans96› in fact, I think it was down
[10:54:47] ‹Espithel› Just a very wonky town.
[10:54:47] ‹RootRanger› it would be naive to claim to have information that a particular player is >50% mafia unless you're GN or have some other info, or they've really messed up
[10:54:48] ‹ddevans96› dawn*
[10:55:05] ‹ddevans96› bc 1) dawn actually voiced suspicion of me at points, whereas iancu never did
[10:55:38] ‹RootRanger› Oh right, dawn oty
[10:55:42] ‹RootRanger› Yeah it could be either
[10:55:48] ‹ddevans96› and 2) the area of this game where dawn has had the most impact was trying to decipher all the Warden/Oty nonsense
[10:55:51] ‹RootRanger› They're both dead tho so not much more info to go on :/
[10:56:03] ‹ddevans96› no, doesn't really matter, for sure
[10:56:21] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If anyone finds the mind flayer, that’s the mafia
[10:56:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:58:10] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› pls no guest
[10:58:16] ‹MasterWalks› just sign in shock
[10:43:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› shock read
[10:43:37] ‹RootRanger› pure chaos
[10:44:07] ‹RootRanger› I think people generally overestimate their reads
[10:44:34] ‹RootRanger› as in, people will think they have a 50% chance of lynching a mafia but it's actually closer to 25% and so forth
[10:45:14] ‹RootRanger› I don't think shock is drastically more likely than anyone else to be mafia - I don't make that claim about anybody
[10:45:46] ‹MasterWalks› So you dont have mafia reads?
[10:45:47] ‹RootRanger› But when he lies about his night action and likely lies about his role as well, he forces roleclaims, and that's not a good thing
[10:46:14] ‹RootRanger› There's no one who I can say "this player is mafia with >50% chance"
[10:46:32] ‹RootRanger› I think shock is the best lynch because his play is detrimental to us
[10:46:57] ‹MasterWalks› nobody has counterclaimed. Cal claimed when he was asked to, but multiple people asked for FFQ to claim this day
[10:47:03] ‹RootRanger› I think similarly about Insig but to a lesser effect
[10:47:06] ‹MasterWalks› Most people are ignoring him
[10:47:16] ‹MasterWalks› Insig is detrimental to town?
[10:47:20] ‹RootRanger› He was inciting a GN counterclaim
[10:47:24] ‹RootRanger› we're f ortunate it didn't happen
[10:47:31] ‹RootRanger› But if it had, it would've really hurt us
[10:47:42] ‹RootRanger› Yes, by roleblocking based on very weak reasons
[10:48:02] ‹RootRanger› So my lynch tier list is 1.) shock 2.) Insig
[10:48:15] ‹RootRanger› After that I'd probably look into GN breadcrumbs
[10:48:25] ‹RootRanger› Espi comes to mind
[10:48:30] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› id argue the weak part, but i see what your coming from
[10:48:54] ‹MasterWalks› Espi is not GN
[10:49:10] ‹MasterWalks› he is mafia. If anyone is GN its one of the quiet people
[10:49:39] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I wouldn't call IW's block on me weak, multiple people wanted me lynched
[10:50:06] ‹RootRanger› Yeah, I meant Espi as mafia
[10:50:11] ‹RootRanger› I don't think he's a likely GN
[10:50:26] ‹RootRanger› Yes @dd but their reasons were pretty weak imo
[10:51:08] ‹Espithel› This should be entertaining.
[10:51:36] ‹MasterWalks› sure, but insig had to completely rely on what everyone is saying since he is not a info role without blocking. He blocked dd for info reasons is my guess and he found out someone thought the same since dd was also targeted by oty
[10:52:07] ‹MasterWalks› if anything oty is more scummy than ward in that interaction
[10:52:54] ‹RootRanger› Yeah the oty play was really sketch
[10:52:56] ‹Espithel› I would, however
[10:53:00] ‹RootRanger› But I think it was iancu?
[10:53:06] ‹Espithel› Like to point out that we only have 2 more lynches until lynch or die
[10:53:08] ‹RootRanger› And he's dead so :/
[10:53:18] ‹Espithel› Can we afford to lynch someone we think is town just because he's a bit wonky?
[10:53:52] ‹ddevans96› could have also been dawn
[10:53:54] ‹Espithel› If it was day 1/2 I could understand it, but there is a point where that's not practical. Wondering if day 3 is that point.
[10:53:55] ‹ddevans96› no?
[10:54:18] ‹RootRanger› everyone we could lynch is someone who is >50% town
[10:54:42] ‹Espithel› Shock is considered overwhelmingly town.
[10:54:45] ‹ddevans96› in fact, I think it was down
[10:54:47] ‹Espithel› Just a very wonky town.
[10:54:47] ‹RootRanger› it would be naive to claim to have information that a particular player is >50% mafia unless you're GN or have some other info, or they've really messed up
[10:54:48] ‹ddevans96› dawn*
[10:55:05] ‹ddevans96› bc 1) dawn actually voiced suspicion of me at points, whereas iancu never did
[10:55:38] ‹RootRanger› Oh right, dawn oty
[10:55:42] ‹RootRanger› Yeah it could be either
[10:55:48] ‹ddevans96› and 2) the area of this game where dawn has had the most impact was trying to decipher all the Warden/Oty nonsense
[10:55:51] ‹RootRanger› They're both dead tho so not much more info to go on :/
[10:56:03] ‹ddevans96› no, doesn't really matter, for sure
[10:56:21] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› If anyone finds the mind flayer, that’s the mafia
[10:56:45] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[10:58:10] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› pls no guest
[10:58:16] ‹MasterWalks› just sign in shock
TL:DR Root did an ama about mafia. Sticks with his opinion shock is more detrimental to town than helpful. Root also thinks insig is scummy for using Ward so early. Some debate on whether or not insigs play was actually scummy or not. Some debate on whether d2d or ian was the oty that targeted ddevans. Root talks about how he cannot accuse someone of mafia since its still a 50% chance they are town.
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 08:09:38 pm
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584473187430170644/unknown.png)
ETA: Like 5 hours
Post by: Submachine on June 01, 2019, 09:52:01 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 10:06:19 pm
[22:52:52]
‹MasterWalks› Hold up. Coffee posted today. He shouldn't get modkill
‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day. I think it has something to do with my not voting
‹MasterWalks› That's not against rules at all. Graboid would be modkilled every game.
‹Coffeeditto› Oh. Maybe I didn't post every day
‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He can't modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase
‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night. I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[22:58:55]
Convergent Universal Networking Tunnelscummer SOONtm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 01, 2019, 10:27:00 pm
This might be all obvious stuff but i need to type it out to process it.
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 10:30:45 pm
There is a big problem with this dump, Coffee claims to have adrenaline, which means poison will insta kill.
How is this a problem?
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 01, 2019, 10:33:37 pm
How is this a problem?Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.
Post by: RootRanger on June 01, 2019, 10:36:46 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 10:37:04 pm
How is this a problem?Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.
...No?
There's at least 5-6 roles missing in the game. This is the first time Poison and Adrenaline's been heard about. I seriously don't think Poison is in the game by this point - it's not been mentioned at all and the list of roles we don't know are in or not is very small.
Secondly, who adrenaline'd you? Could've been a mafia trying to make you look scummy. Could've been a bad town (again). There's way more possibilities than just "The scum also has a toadfish."
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 01, 2019, 10:40:20 pm
Thank you for fighting for my innocence for me.How is this a problem?Because I would have no reason to claim that unless I was mafia and knew my team mate was the only toadfish.
...No?
There's at least 5-6 roles missing in the game. This is the first time Poison and Adrenaline's been heard about. I seriously don't think Poison is in the game by this point - it's not been mentioned at all and the list of roles we don't know are in or not is very small.
Secondly, who adrenaline'd you? Could've been a mafia trying to make you look scummy. Could've been a bad town (again). There's way more possibilities than just "The scum also has a toadfish."
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 10:44:31 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 01, 2019, 10:58:42 pm
HOLY SHIT
PLEASE JUST STOP
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 11:08:06 pm
@Linkcat: What’s the official ruling on Coffee and modkills?
[00:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 01, 2019, 11:11:27 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 01, 2019, 11:15:22 pm
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Of Root's two lynch choices that aren't likely town, I would prefer to lynch Espi right now.
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 11:17:13 pm
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Of Root's two lynch choices that aren't likely town, I would prefer to lynch Espi right now.
SO MUCH SHIT GOING ON IN CHAT
HE'S RETRACTED THE CLAIM - HE THOUGHT WALKS WAS GN BUT TURNS OUT HE'S NOT
OH MY GOD THE CHAOS HERE
I'M TRYING TO POST IT ALL BUT IT'S SO FASTTTTT
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
Post by: Espithel on June 01, 2019, 11:23:36 pm
‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules. He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right? Or night 0, makes no difference really.
‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked), so this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying. I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely.
‹Coffeeditto› No hold up. He is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0.
‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now? Of course.
‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
‹RootRanger› Lovely.
‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone:
1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie (or he's mafia);
2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia);
3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia.
The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly.
If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege. He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does. That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds, Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is.
‹Coffeeditto› He might be lying in another way: He might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia.
‹kaempfer13› Shock's chances of being mafia are always 1/5th. It won't change anything about his playstyle.
‹kaempfer13› GN targets people on even nights now
‹kaempfer13› ‹@WorldWideWeb3› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
‹RootRanger› Shock hasn't been helping either. Like, the people who want shock alive, is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us?
‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› If Shock's GN, he's an idiot once more; EoR abilities are refunded on failure, so GN should have targeted someone n1. But, ofc, shock isn't GN.
‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Thoughts on a shock lynch?
‹kaempfer13› I'd like to do better than 25% [chance of hitting scum] if possible.
‹RootRanger› Did you have anyone in mind?
‹kaempfer13› I wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog. See if someone looks scummy through those votes.
‹RootRanger› Fair enough
‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, that's a lot of info that clears up tbh. But, we can't afford another town lynch this late.
‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› Really? With so many lies, it proves nothing to know his alignment.
‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town.
‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned? I mean, yeah, but he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored.
‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list.
‹Espithel› Alright.
‹kaempfer13› Shock also believes me town. One of the few consistent claims of his actually
‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ.
‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less. Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos. Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos... Just chaos.
[23:45:50]
Part 1 of JESUS HOLY JIMMY SAVILLE'S LEFT KIDNEY THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF TO COVER
Post by: moehrpi on June 01, 2019, 11:31:34 pm
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
OMGUS and other things. Will post more but it will take 24 hours or even until Monday.
But I will confirm being blocked N0. Although this conflicts with Coffee's theory in chat written down by Espi.
PS: ... then put into in the latest selection of chat quotes.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 12:29:15 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 12:32:47 am
[14:52:52] ‹MasterWalks› Hol up
[14:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee posted today
[14:53:01] ‹MasterWalks› he shouldnt get modkill
[14:55:33] ‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day
[14:55:41] ‹Coffeeditto› I think it has something to do with my not voting
[14:57:12] ‹MasterWalks› Thats not against rules at all
[14:57:17] ‹Coffeeditto› oh.
[14:57:23] ‹Coffeeditto› maybe I didn't post every day
[14:57:30] ‹MasterWalks› Graboid would be modkilled every game
[14:57:40] ‹Coffeeditto› right
[14:58:36] ‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He cant modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase
[14:58:55] ‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night
[15:01:55] ‹Espithel› That
[15:02:01] ‹Espithel› That right there is seriously important
[15:03:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nubmachine
[15:04:24] ‹ddevans96› testing deck
[15:04:27] ‹ddevans96› draw no novas for three games
[15:04:30] ‹ddevans96› then draw four novas
[15:04:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[15:04:41] ‹ddevans96› feelsElements
[15:06:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah
[15:06:09] ‹Espithel› OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOY
[15:06:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah woah woah
[15:08:36] ‹Espithel› THAT'S SOME SERIOUS INFORMATION RIGHT THERE
[15:10:00] ‹ddevans96› tfw someone who should have been modkilled gives game changing information
[15:10:10] ‹Espithel› Oh BOY
[15:10:25] ‹Espithel› Sub IS a bastard mod
[15:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› tfw the rules on modkilling aren't fleshed out properly
[15:10:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:10:57] ‹ddevans96› 8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
[15:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I think it's a dumb rule, tbh, but it's pretty clear
[15:11:59] ‹Espithel› His last post was on day 1
[15:12:03] ‹Espithel› Night 1, Day 2, Night 2
[15:12:06] ‹Espithel› Should've been modkilled.
[15:12:12] ‹ddevans96› yes
[15:13:01] ‹MasterWalks› hooooly shit
[15:13:14] ‹MasterWalks› Thats some juicy stuff right there
[15:13:28] ‹MasterWalks› At least he got it out before getting killed
[15:13:45] ‹ddevans96› I mean...it's out in the open now, nothing we can really do except pretend he said it at the end of night 2
[15:14:50] ‹Coffeeditto› so should I have acted as dead before being declared dead?
[15:15:04] ‹Espithel› What I'm gonna say
[15:15:12] ‹Espithel› Is no one should post in mafia until Sub/Link's sorted this out.
[15:15:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› another issue with allowing chat is, is it fine if you chat post within the three phases?
[15:15:30] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:15:34] ‹Espithel› DON'T
[15:15:38] ‹Espithel› DON'T MAKE ME THINK ABOUT IT
[15:15:41] ‹ddevans96› I asked Link, and he said the rule was clear, it must be post
[15:15:41] ‹Espithel› NO
[15:15:43] ‹Espithel› PLEASE NO
[15:16:51] ‹ddevans96› (again, I disagree with the rule, I think if you're using abilities/talking in chat you shouldn't be modkilled - but that is the rule)
[15:17:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh wells
[15:18:21] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› lets just not riot too much about it and get too angry xd
[15:18:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› whatever the decision sub/link decide
[15:19:58] ‹Espithel› So, yeah.
[15:20:09] ‹Espithel› I think we shouldn't talk about mafia until Link/Sub's sorted it out. Is that controversial?
[15:20:31] ‹Espithel› Because DC was the one who should've modkilled Coffee
[15:20:45] ‹Espithel› This might have the potential to end the game on the spot.
[15:21:22] ‹Coffeeditto› was the phase shorter than usual?
[15:21:40] ‹ddevans96› no, they've all been two days
[15:23:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› honestly, id still just carry on w the mafia, its not a massive thing. yh its in the rules, but theres a bit of common sense too. If sub/link modkill coffee, let that be and just play as normal tbh. just my 2 cents
[15:24:09] ‹RootRanger› Eh, "post" could be interpreted to also mean PM to host
[15:24:19] ‹RootRanger› Guest is shock, right?
[15:24:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› no
[15:24:32] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› its me ww3
[15:24:35] ‹RootRanger› rip lol
[15:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Anyways
[15:24:54] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› dw you dont get to have fun roast battles rn
[15:24:58] ‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules
[15:25:34] ‹RootRanger› He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right?
[15:26:08] ‹RootRanger› Or night 0, makes no difference really
[15:26:24] ‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked)
[15:26:37] ‹Coffeeditto› No hold up
[15:26:38] ‹RootRanger› So this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying
[15:26:47] ‹RootRanger› (unless I'm missing something)
[15:27:07] ‹Coffeeditto› he is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely
[15:27:32] ‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now?
[15:27:42] ‹RootRanger› Ofc
[15:27:46] ‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
[15:27:53] ‹RootRanger› Lovely
[15:27:55] ‹Espithel› f u c k i n g h e l l
[15:28:16] ‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone
[15:28:24] ‹RootRanger› 1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie
[15:28:29] ‹RootRanger› (or he's mafia)
[15:28:39] ‹RootRanger› 2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia)
[15:28:58] ‹RootRanger› 3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia
[15:29:19] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly
[15:29:48] ‹Coffeeditto› No, because he might be lying again in this way:
[15:30:18] ‹Coffeeditto› he might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia
[15:30:19] ‹Espithel› Honourary Fifth!
[15:30:19] ‹kaempfer13› shocks chanxes of being mafia are always 1/5th it wont change anything about his playstyle
[15:30:29] ‹RootRanger› If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege
[15:30:51] ‹MasterWalks› Oh wait, i wasnt supposed to talk until sub and link do huh
[15:30:53] ‹RootRanger› He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does
[15:31:05] ‹RootRanger› That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds
[15:31:09] ‹kaempfer13› gn targets people on even nights now
[15:31:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@kaempfer13› slightly more than 1/5. 4/19
[15:31:19] ‹RootRanger› Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is
[15:31:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I'd prefer it if you didn't
[15:31:21] ‹Espithel› But
[15:31:22] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› :silly:
[15:31:26] ‹Espithel› It's not like I can stop you
[15:31:47] ‹Espithel› If Root's SCREAMING, you can too
[15:31:50] ‹RootRanger› I think it's 4/14 accounting for 4 civs dead, plus me being civ
[15:31:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
[15:32:18] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› doesntchange the odds of being assigned it from the start
[15:32:24] ‹RootRanger› shock hasn't been helping either :/
[15:32:49] ‹RootRanger› Like, the people who want shock alive
[15:32:51] ‹kaempfer13› and you even argued about how probabilities work earlier
[15:33:02] ‹RootRanger› Is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us
[15:33:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Oa!
[15:33:47] ‹PlayerOa› Heyyo
[15:33:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i can talk CL and mafia w you yayyyy
[15:34:02] ‹PlayerOa› I’m drunk as heck tho
[15:34:08] ‹PlayerOa› On my phone
[15:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Is that w3?
[15:34:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh
[15:34:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh
[15:34:37] ‹PlayerOa› Nice
[15:34:57] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› pen or no?
[15:35:09] ‹PlayerOa› No way in hell
[15:35:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› o.O
[15:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› You think so?
[15:35:43] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› hand was way out for no reason
[15:35:46] ‹PlayerOa› Well i’m biased as i wanted spurs to win
[15:35:56] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i wanted spurs to win too ):
[15:36:02] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i think they shouldnt have played kane
[15:36:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› they work much better without him
[15:36:15] ‹PlayerOa› But my perception is that they make fouls of hands way too ofteb
[15:36:22] ‹PlayerOa› Well
[15:36:25] ‹PlayerOa› Hard to tell
[15:36:29] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› get kane off the bench if need be
[15:36:31] ‹PlayerOa› Kane is too good not to play
[15:36:42] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› play the team that beat man city, and ajax
[15:37:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› if so shocks an idiot once more; eor are refunded on failure, so gn should have targeted someone n1
[15:37:18] ‹kaempfer13› but ofc shock isnt gn
[15:37:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› for some reason, i dont rate kane that much
[15:37:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› he never delivers big goals or outstanding goals
[15:38:00] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› thoughts on a shock lynch?
[15:38:40] ‹kaempfer13› id like to do better than 25% if possible
[15:39:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, thats a lot of info that clears up tbh
[15:40:18] ‹MasterWalks› but we cant afford another town lynch this late
[15:40:38] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› did you have anyone in mind?
[15:40:44] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› really? with so many lies it proofs nothing to know his alignment
[15:41:36] ‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town
[15:41:41] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› i wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog
[15:42:19] ‹kaempfer13› and see if someone looks scummy through those votes
[15:42:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
[15:42:44] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› fair enough
[15:42:45] ‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
[15:42:58] ‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
[15:43:12] ‹kaempfer13› just quote my post use notepad++s replace all to color names green and see if it adds up
[15:43:16] ‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned?
[15:44:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:44:08] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› I mean, yeah
[15:44:23] ‹RootRanger› But he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored
[15:44:50] ‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
[15:44:51] ‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list
[15:44:53] ‹Espithel› Alright.
[15:44:57] ‹kaempfer13› sjock also believes me town
[15:45:12] ‹kaempfer13› one of the few consistent claims of his actually
[15:45:21] ‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ
[15:45:31] ‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less
[15:45:39] ‹RootRanger› Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos
[15:45:50] ‹RootRanger› Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos...
[15:50:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› I learned that removing noobs is the lowest priority when scumreading
[15:51:25] ‹RootRanger› Wdym?
[15:51:36] ‹RootRanger› So just let shock get away with whatever he wants because he's a noob?
[15:51:39] ‹kaempfer13› in fact a mafia member is less likely to do stupid stuff in public since they have a team making sure they dont say anything too scummy
[15:52:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:52:13] ‹RootRanger› Mafia shock wouldn't get hindered by his team
[15:52:28] ‹kaempfer13› although shock gets a special pass there, since being destructive to town was guaranteed from the start
[15:52:40] ‹RootRanger› lol
[15:52:49] ‹kaempfer13› so he would be pretty valuable to mafia as he cant be read
[15:52:57] ‹RootRanger› You see how lynching shock mitigates our worst-case scenario, right
[15:53:18] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch someone useful and they're civ, it sucks. If we lynch shock and their civ, we haven't really lost anything
[15:53:23] ‹RootRanger› and he's civ*
[15:56:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:58:24] ‹kaempfer13› if we wanted to eliminate chaos we should have killed shock right at the start
[15:58:29] ‹MasterWalks› espithel is insig if insig was mean
[15:59:16] ‹kaempfer13› by now if we cant get any better reads we will lose
[15:59:37] ‹Espithel› Lynch or Lose is on day 5, iirc.
[15:59:42] ‹kaempfer13› shock will be impossible to read so guaranteed worse than 25%
[15:59:50] ‹RootRanger› I was down for an early shock lynch
[16:00:05] ‹RootRanger› Right from the gate when he was randomly roleblocking people
[16:00:11] ‹kaempfer13› is there really nothing better we can get?
[16:00:20] ‹RootRanger› It's just gotten worse
[16:00:33] ‹RootRanger› The fake GN claim was a serious issue imo
[16:00:50] ‹RootRanger› If the actual GN had counterclaimed, it would have been a huge hit to us
[16:01:02] ‹Espithel› Linkcat is so done
[16:01:02] ‹RootRanger› Fortunately they didn't, but that doesn't take away from what shock was trying to do
[16:01:07] ‹Espithel› Jesus christ
[16:01:18] ‹kaempfer13› meh it was obvious to me it was a hoax
[16:01:38] ‹kaempfer13› before cals claim that is
[16:02:39] ‹RootRanger› Even so
[16:02:47] ‹RootRanger› His fake GN claim caused 2 people to make actual claims
[16:02:53] ‹RootRanger› (Calin and Coffee)
[16:03:06] ‹RootRanger› narrows down the list, for mafia
[16:03:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› dont you dare talk about mafia if you dont sign in
[16:03:41] ‹RootRanger› How many people have yet to role claim? 10? Less? A few of whom are probably mafia
[16:03:59] ‹RootRanger› Means they'll likely be able to snipe GN in the next few nights
[16:04:59] ‹kaempfer13› 6 claims are enough for magia
[16:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do you think any of the mafia have claimed?
[16:05:22] ‹RootRanger› In the worst case
[16:05:31] ‹Espithel› If they have a "useless" role, there doesn't seem to be any harm in it.
[16:05:37] ‹RootRanger› 15 players and 6 have claimed, another 4 are mafia, means GN is narrowed down to 5 people
[16:05:45] ‹RootRanger› That's the harm in claiming a useless role
[16:05:48] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› if so likely fake
[16:05:52] ‹RootRanger› Number of potential GNs is cut in half
[16:06:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Yeah, given the roles, it's probably fake
[16:06:13] ‹Espithel› (If one of them has claimed)
[16:06:26] ‹Espithel› But if it was something like, say, Green Nymph? That's really easy to claim safely.
[16:06:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Reads list. Now.
[16:06:36] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is that half of those claims were incited by shock
[16:06:41] ‹RootRanger› A fact everyone seems to be overlooking
[16:06:57] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› am I not dead?
[16:07:25] ‹ddevans96› I mean, no point killing you now, lol
[16:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.
[16:07:56] ‹RootRanger› Agreed, bit of a conflict of interest
[16:08:11] ‹Coffeeditto› then I would like to say that I have no need to out a reads list
[16:08:14] ‹Linkcat› Start being active and it won't be a problem.
[16:08:29] ‹Coffeeditto› see that's where this is kinda lame
[16:08:30] ‹Linkcat› Damnit Coffee.
[16:08:32] ‹ddevans96› ‹@RootRanger› do you have anything else of note right now other than 'shock bad'?
[16:08:34] ‹Espithel› Yeah. We shouldn't really be discussing this until Sub clears up the coffee issue
[16:08:46] ‹Espithel› But we are!
[16:08:50] ‹Coffeeditto› :))
[16:08:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› That's a bit of an oversimplification
[16:09:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› You want to lynch me because MW is tunnelling on me.
[16:09:11] ‹Coffeeditto› I know my 5th amendment rights
[16:09:12] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yes, but also no
[16:09:16] ‹MasterWalks› we just got a lot of heavy info. Of course we are going to talk about it, and they cant really stop us
[16:09:34] ‹RootRanger› To me it's a super clear choice when one player is doing more to screw over the civs than anybody else
[16:09:39] ‹Linkcat› I don't expect Root to give us anything before a few more flips.
[16:09:51] ‹RootRanger› That is far more powerful than reading excessively into whatever random soft info
[16:10:04] ‹Espithel› You also want to lynch Shock because he's a bad town who's helping the mafia.
[16:10:05] ‹Guest-DejaVu-182e8› Jesus, people still play this game?
[16:10:09] ‹Espithel› I-is like
[16:10:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-DejaVu-182e8› yep
[16:10:22] ‹Espithel› Is Walk being supertunnel not bad town?
[16:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› it might be bad town but its not bad for town
[16:10:39] ‹RootRanger› I actually retract wanting to lynch Espi - had originally thought MW was GN who targeted Espi N1 but this was proven otherwise
[16:10:40] ‹Linkcat› That guest name is really fitting lol.
[16:10:49] ‹RootRanger› I think the strongest town right now is Calindu
[16:10:56] ‹kaempfer13› if we wait for sub to do anything we need an extension
[16:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Seen that exact sentence at least a few times.
[16:11:03] ‹ddevans96› we've also acknowledged MW and IW as 'bad town' - and by we, I mean Link did in his reads list, and no one disagrees
[16:11:03] ‹RootRanger› In that he's been active, coherent, and provided useful information
[16:11:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› My argument here is nascent, but I swear there's a contradiction there
[16:11:29] ‹ddevans96› it's a different kind of 'bad town' than what shock's doing
[16:11:33] ‹kaempfer13› so much stuff to do before settling for a lynch
[16:11:35] ‹Espithel› -Lynch shock because he damages town
[16:11:38] ‹RootRanger› "bad town" is such a contradiction to me - if someone is playing in the best interests of mafia, it's a clear lynch unless it's lynch-or-die
[16:11:41] ‹Espithel› -MW is damaging town by tunnelling me constantly
[16:11:58] ‹Espithel› -Therefore, if not shock, Espi? ?????????????????????????????
[16:12:04] ‹Espithel› Doesn't matter as he's retracted it, but
[16:12:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› we have multiple of those
[16:12:05] ‹RootRanger› Ok sure, if you want though, if we throw out MW/IW/shock and just give them a free pass
[16:12:14] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shock, mw insig
[16:12:18] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Some worse than others, though
[16:12:22] ‹ddevans96› different kind of 'bad town', againbn
[16:12:32] ‹ddevans96› again* - and I should note that term is in quotes bc I hate it lol
[16:12:35] ‹kaempfer13› me for a while too, but I think i got better
[16:12:36] ‹RootRanger› shock is an order of magnitude more harmful
[16:12:47] ‹Espithel› He definitely is.
[16:12:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i honestly dont see how tunneling you is bad for town. Look at votes rn and tell me if anyone is actually listening to me
[16:13:08] ‹Linkcat› You can't really inactivity modkill in the middle of a phase. If he hasn't been declared dead by the host then he's alive.
[16:13:11] ‹MasterWalks› no one.
[16:13:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Because it makes any actual argument that I'm scummy a lot worse.
[16:13:25] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› noone listening to input from a town is bad for town
[16:13:40] ‹MasterWalks› Well thats not my fault
[16:13:41] ‹Espithel› You constantly tunnelling me makes it a lot harder to lynch me.
[16:13:42] ‹kaempfer13› and you are losing credibility with each repition
[16:13:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@RootRanger› Why would I ever lynch someone who I believe is town?
[16:14:06] ‹RootRanger› Because you believe everyone is town
[16:14:15] ‹MasterWalks› I lost credibility a long time ago. I can actually show you the exact post
[16:14:17] ‹RootRanger› If "believe is town" means ">50% chance"
[16:14:26] ‹Linkcat› No I don't.
[16:14:33] ‹RootRanger› Then not believing someone is town is an extremely bold claim
[16:14:45] ‹RootRanger› I don't think anyone except GN has info to think that someone is more likely mafia than not
[16:15:03] ‹RootRanger› I think they'd be wrong more often than not simply because there are way more civs than mafia and people aren't as smart as they think they are
[16:15:09] ‹Linkcat› No, believe is town means 90%
[16:15:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Thing is right, you can regain it.
[16:15:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:15:35] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Linkcat› In that case, I think you'd be wrong to believe shock is town
[16:15:43] ‹MasterWalks› thats when i lost credibility, although i still find that post hilarious
[16:15:44] ‹Linkcat› What if I am as smart as I think I am?
[16:15:51] ‹RootRanger› Playing poorly does not mean town. Playing in the best interests of mafia definitely doesn't
[16:16:58] ‹ddevans96› also - in regards to MW's brand of 'bad town' and why I'm not ignoring it the way people are shock - keep in mind I literally called MW 'shock lite' earlier in the game
[16:17:19] ‹MasterWalks› Im still offended by that
[16:17:31] ‹RootRanger› So idk about Espi anymore
[16:17:40] ‹RootRanger› I'd thought there was a decent chance MW was GN who investigated Espi N0
[16:17:46] ‹RootRanger› But Coffee's info disproved that
[16:17:55] • Espithel pants
[16:17:58] ‹ddevans96› why would you be offended?
[16:18:02] ‹Espithel› I'M NEVER GOING TO POST THE NICE, CLEAN, EDITED CHATLOG
[16:18:07] ‹ddevans96› my opinion of shock does not match everyone else's
[16:18:09] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**
[16:18:38] ‹RootRanger› There are...interesting interactions though
[16:19:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› end of day timer?
[16:19:22] ‹ddevans96› like 18h from now
[16:19:25] ‹ddevans96› 19h really
[16:19:27] ‹RootRanger› MW goes after Espi, Link goes after dd, drawing away from Espi. dd then joins votes with MW
[16:19:50] ‹RootRanger› If we're giving a free pass to all the "bad towns" then I think this is something to go off of
[16:20:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› Hey, are you allowed to edit OP to add in the phase link to this phase?
[16:20:14] ‹Linkcat› No
[16:20:15] ‹MasterWalks› DubC most likely wont be on for another 12 hours
[16:20:18] ‹MasterWalks› damn
[16:20:37] ‹ddevans96› the only actual 'bad town' is shock
[16:20:46] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:20:47] ‹RootRanger› Looking back into D1
[16:20:55] ‹RootRanger› There was clearly pressure being drawn away from Espi
[16:20:56] ‹Espithel› I'M NOT ACTUALLY SCREAMING I JUST NEED TO SHOUT IN ALLCAPS TO CALM MY NERVES
[16:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› 18 hours
[16:21:21] ‹RootRanger› Most strongly from Linkcat but also from kaempfer and moehrpi, among the people who are alive
[16:21:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why did you Ward me?
[16:22:15] ‹RootRanger› Lynching Espi would give info at least.
[16:22:21] ‹RootRanger› There are worse lynches
[16:22:31] ‹ddevans96› yes, I'm of the belief that Espi is the best information lynch
[16:22:36] ‹ddevans96› better than Link and IW, at the moment
[16:22:42] ‹ddevans96› (which are my other two mafia leans)
[16:22:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› because of this post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:23:05] ‹MasterWalks› I dont believe IW is mafia nor will he give info UNLESS he lied
[16:23:06] ‹RootRanger› Thing is
[16:23:16] ‹MasterWalks› but i dont hink insig has the actual ability to lie
[16:23:24] ‹RootRanger› We could be totally wrong about all of this - Espi could be civ, or Espi could be mafia but all the people who drew votes away from him be civ
[16:23:35] ‹RootRanger› And our GN will *still* get roleblocked next round by shock or someone else
[16:23:36] ‹Wyand›
[16:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much
[16:24:25] ‹Espithel› We have 2 shots before lynch or die.
[16:24:42] ‹RootRanger› I'm ok with lynching shock in those circumstances
[16:24:44] ‹Coffeeditto› untrue
[16:24:57] ‹Coffeeditto› extenuating circumstances could alter those
[16:25:25] ‹Coffeeditto› it's safest to play assuming we have 1, as I could die from poison due to adrenaline or someone may already be poisined who is afk
[16:26:15] ‹Espithel› I am 80% happy saying that Poison isn't a role in this game.
[16:26:20] ‹Calindu› Can anyone provide a quick summary since the last chat log was posted?
[16:26:25] ‹Espithel› But, yes.
[16:26:39] ‹RootRanger› Ok the MW/dd vote pattern is a bit weird at this point
[16:26:40] ‹Espithel› You mean the one I *just* posted or
[16:26:53] ‹RootRanger› I think one would likely tell us info about the other
[16:27:31] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you. I meant toadfish's poison
[16:27:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› in other news, this guys did a better magic audition at agt than shin lim:
[16:27:43] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› our GN got roleblocked N0 and everyone is completely ok with people like shock blind roleblocking
[16:28:03] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› normal arguments between me and linkcat
[16:28:03] ‹ddevans96› dunno how you can read into my votes when I spend two days defending myself, but sure
[16:28:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› I also meant toadfish's poison
[16:28:34] ‹RootRanger› I'm just going straight from the logs
[16:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, most people actually advised against blind roleblocking
[16:28:51] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› voting pattern ?
[16:28:59] ‹Calindu› I'm conflicted about shock, on some end a lot of people read him as town, but at the same time, we caught him in multiple lies that forced random roleclaims
[16:29:01] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› and have no interest in lynching people who do it anyways
[16:29:07] ‹RootRanger› actions speak louder than words
[16:29:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› A voting pattern is how you've changed votes.
[16:29:30] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› if a lot of people read him as town, it's all the more useful to lynch him, because then if he's mafia you have info on all the people who defended him
[16:29:34] ‹Espithel› So, for example. Your voting pattern tends to be "Lynch Espithel, follow dd/link"
[16:29:52] ‹RootRanger› ‹@MasterWalks› That you two are oftentimes on the same side
[16:29:53] ‹Espithel› This is a gross simplification
[16:29:58] ‹MasterWalks› because they have E X P E R I A N C E
[16:29:59] ‹ddevans96› sorry my philosophy is different than yours
[16:30:09] ‹Espithel› I have E X P E R I E N C E
[16:30:16] ‹ddevans96› I have no interesting in lynching my strongest town read
[16:30:24] ‹ddevans96› regardless of how erratic their play has been
[16:30:58] ‹RootRanger› weird person to pick for your strongest town read
[16:31:07] ‹ddevans96› I mean, it's Link's too
[16:31:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Root wants to lynch you instead of MW because he uses "petty lynches" as the deciding factor between two different people to reduce bias.
[16:31:11] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:31:14] ‹Linkcat› Guys, if shock is mine and dd's strongest townread, that dude's town lol.
[16:31:41] ‹MasterWalks› and dd is an orchestrater. Thats why i vote where he votes
[16:31:47] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› The lynch on MW would be the better play
[16:31:54] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E D O R C H E S T R A T O R
[16:31:55] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I agree, I'm not moving my vote from shock, if he's town, I still think it's not that bad of a lynch
[16:32:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› I'm meming on a post he made earlier
[16:32:10] ‹Linkcat› Orchestrating is not a thing lmao
[16:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I love that
[16:32:22] ‹Linkcat› It's called a push.
[16:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› what is OMGUS?
[16:32:52] ‹ddevans96› and also - I think IW's roleblock on me was just as bad/suspicious as any roleblock shock has (allegedly) done
[16:32:55] ‹Espithel› OH MY GOD YOU SUCK
[16:32:57] ‹ddevans96› I maintain that
[16:33:01] ‹Espithel› Or, voting on people who don't like you
[16:33:15] ‹Espithel› Usually meaning voting on people who vote on you
[16:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› i love that too tbh
[16:33:18] ‹Espithel› Sort of like revenge
[16:33:21] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Yes but shock has done more than just roleblock
[16:33:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› this mafia is crazy. people are crazy. people are stupid. its so fun. im missing out. im jealous.
[16:33:33] ‹Calindu› Why would IW claim about guarding dd if he's mafia?
[16:33:36] ‹RootRanger› He solicited a GN counterclaim - if he'd succeeded it would have completely screwed us over
[16:33:38] ‹Espithel› Hey, given all the crazy shit Shock's managed to do
[16:33:50] ‹Espithel› I guess he *is* an e x p e r i e n c e d o r c h e s t r a t o r
[16:34:04] ‹Espithel› An orchestrator of chaos
[16:34:08] ‹Espithel› aha funnyjokeHELPME
[16:35:02] ‹MasterWalks› Here is the thing, I know insig fairly well. I talk to him quite a bit. His role claim and stuff is literally something he didnt think all the way through. He is a smart kid but he doesn think ahead very well
[16:35:04] ‹Calindu› If our GN was online at that point and didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure they would counterclaim
[16:35:05] ‹ddevans96› GN counterclaiming would have been bad, but it wouldn't have lost the game
[16:35:21] ‹MasterWalks› Look at last mafia. Look at his War bids.
[16:37:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Really depends on whether shock is mafia or not, if he's mafia, it's not that bad, but if he's town and forced a GN counterclaim, I don't see us winning anymore from there
[16:37:04] ‹Linkcat› So you're saying Insig is a dumbass.
[16:37:15] ‹MasterWalks› no
[16:37:23] ‹MasterWalks› i said he is a smart kid
[16:37:27] ‹MasterWalks› just a bad planner
[16:37:56] ‹ddevans96› I just don't agree. I've seen games won with a seer/etc revealing early. it's risky, but we'd at least know shock is mafia, and get enough information from the GN to point to a second
[16:38:04] ‹ddevans96› to be clear: a GN counterclaim would have been very bad
[16:38:10] ‹ddevans96› just...not apocalpytic
[16:38:28] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if shock is mafia and forcing a GN counterclaim, it's not game losing
[16:38:40] ‹RootRanger› shock is civ because he hasn't instigated an apocalypse that caused us to lose
[16:38:44] ‹Calindu› But if he's town and doing that, we just lose
[16:38:45] ‹RootRanger› yeet
[16:38:56] ‹ddevans96› that has nothing to do with my town read
[16:39:20] ‹Espithel› If shock was mafia
[16:39:24] ‹Espithel› Why would he force a GN counterclaim?
[16:39:34] ‹Espithel› That would practically require giant, humoungous testicles
[16:39:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› are you typing up the part 2
[16:39:50] ‹ddevans96› which shock has shown he has. or, he's GN
[16:39:52] ‹ddevans96› *shrug*
[16:40:13] ‹MasterWalks› big balled shock
[16:40:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:40:19] • Espithel coughs
[16:40:22] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[16:40:29] ‹ddevans96› unless you think the only reason shock claimed GN is because I said I suspected he was GN
[16:40:29] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel›
[16:40:36] ‹Coffeeditto› you pinged me
[16:40:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› You know
[16:40:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:58] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› stop right there
[16:41:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:41:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I literally said why I claimed GN in my info dump
[16:41:05] ‹ddevans96› still think him being GN or mafia is a more likely scenario than him being literally anything else
[16:41:06] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[16:41:09] ‹Espithel› I clearly need to calm down.
[16:41:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› But I guess no one reads posts anymore
[16:41:18] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› just part of your GN cover
[16:41:47] ‹Linkcat› I believe he is Flayer.
[16:41:52] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure why shock would ever claim GN like that, I don't even know what would happen this round if I didn't find an inconsistency with my rule
[16:41:53] ‹ddevans96› also - you misunderstood my sentence
[16:42:08] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks he knows the game better than anyone else
[16:42:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have a fun game to play
[16:42:22] ‹ddevans96› or, if nothing else, he's acting like he thinks that
[16:42:40] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› why would anyone read your posts
[16:42:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No one uses any abilities or talks at all and then we play the RNG game between GN Zand mafia
[16:43:14] ‹RootRanger› Civs did fine for 60+ mafias before shock came here to save the day
[16:43:16] ‹ddevans96› he's literally outright said that his posts are where he's actually playing the game
[16:43:30] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have used my abilities every single night and have been trying to discuss as much as possible, this is definitely not GN vs mafia
[16:43:46] ‹ddevans96› civs won by you abusing broken rulesets like ten mafias in a row
[16:43:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@Calindu› but that’s what root wants
[16:43:52] ‹ddevans96› not by anyone else's skill
[16:43:55] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› And roots been winning for 60+ mafia
[16:44:09] ‹ddevans96› feels like most other games, mafia won. forum mafia favors the mafia team
[16:44:15] ‹Wyand›
[16:44:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› wait what, shock has played 10 mafis here? since when?
[16:44:39] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has definitely been favored in the past in the absence of a broken setup.
[16:44:56] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has won because of some unbalanced setups too, though.
[16:44:58] ‹ddevans96› context clues, vulture
[16:44:59] ‹Calindu› Maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather trust Root than the person who forced me to info dump
[16:45:10] ‹RootRanger› Also
[16:45:17] ‹Linkcat› Or at least terrible mechanics that turned over the result.
[16:45:17] ‹ddevans96› he didn't force you to do anything. you made that decision
[16:45:29] ‹RootRanger› Kuro's mafia had 183 pages of content, all without shock forcing people to roleclaim
[16:45:48] ‹ddevans96› you fell for bait. like people are saying 'just ignore shock' and then...don't ignore shock
[16:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses
[16:46:00] ‹ddevans96› pick one side of the fence. lean into his style like I am, or completely ignore him
[16:46:01] ‹RootRanger› You were the one lynching him ddevans
[16:46:04] ‹Linkcat› That game was won based off of reads, not mechanics.
[16:46:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I made that decision, because I didn't want Linkcat lynched based on a lie, and I also didn't want a GN counterclaim
[16:46:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Poch to stay? Why would he leave?
[16:46:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› It's hard to ignore something like "I am GN, Linkcat is mafia"
[16:46:40] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› to win trophies XD
[16:46:46] ‹ddevans96› Linkcat wasn't getting lynched based on a lie, it was the first four hours of the phase
[16:46:51] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› like if a big club comes calling
[16:46:58] ‹ddevans96› you could have done it subtlety, or you could have waited
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but there isnt a big club coming calling anymore
[16:47:05] ‹PlayerOa› Well to who
[16:47:11] ‹Calindu› Because it didn't look like the bs post you normally see, it was a claim
[16:47:18] ‹PlayerOa› Man utd won't come for him atm anyway
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no
[16:47:23] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh, i realised that hes got no where to go
[16:47:30] ‹PlayerOa› yep
[16:47:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› all the big clubs have sorted their managers now
[16:47:40] ‹PlayerOa› Well juve
[16:47:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› id have said juve but seems like they got sarri
[16:47:50] ‹PlayerOa› But guess they won't go for poch
[16:47:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I claimed before you voted though
[16:48:06] ‹ddevans96› yes. as I just said
[16:48:10] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah heard some talk about sarri-> juve
[16:48:15] ‹RootRanger› 1.) shock tries to lynch linkcat under false pretenses
[16:48:21] ‹ddevans96› uh, wrong copy-paste, sorry
[16:48:24] ‹RootRanger› 2.) Calindu disproves those pretenses
[16:48:36] ‹RootRanger› 3.) ddevans falls for them anyways?
[16:48:37] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no*
[16:48:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› did you see utd signed an ajax player???
[16:48:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but it wasnt de ligt XD
[16:48:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Aye fair I missed that bit
[16:48:52] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› a 16 yo ):
[16:48:55] ‹ddevans96› didn't fall for anything
[16:49:01] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah noticed lol
[16:49:02] ‹Espithel› Okay, guys
[16:49:04] ‹Espithel› I can't
[16:49:10] ‹Espithel› Someone else will have to do chatlog
[16:49:11] ‹Espithel› Sorry
[16:49:15] ‹Espithel› My brain is dying
[16:49:20] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Might be a good player, never heard of him though :sillyspin:
[16:49:31] ‹Calindu› I truly believe Linkcat would get lynched if I didn't roleclaim, and if Linkcat flips town, we lose
[16:49:34] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh no idea who he is, oh well lets see
[16:49:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› still need de ligt somehow, and a midfielder, and a striker, and a RB ):
[16:49:50] ‹ddevans96› the theory that led me to vote for Link, is that Link got his mafia buddy to target him with Anubis, and frame me for it if he turned scummy/flipped mafia
[16:49:55] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[16:50:03] ‹Linkcat› So who's down to lynch math?
[16:50:05] ‹PlayerOa› Exiting summer ahead of us though
[16:50:12] ‹Espithel› Why lynch math?
[16:50:13] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[16:50:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait, why math?
[16:50:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› Inactivity lynch?
[16:50:22] ‹Espithel› The mafia's just gonna NK him anyway
[16:50:27] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› if we sign anyone that is q.q
[16:50:37] ‹Linkcat› If I had an Anubis teammate, you can bet your ass I would have had them target me Night 0.
[16:50:44] ‹ddevans96› is that weak? sure. do we have anything else to go on? not really, because we lynched iancu, who had no connections other than shock, who everyone claims to want to ignore and lynch but doesn't, instead of IW, with connections to me and Cal
[16:50:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Lol, daniel james at least
[16:50:51] ‹PlayerOa› no world beater tho
[16:50:58] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[16:50:58] ‹Linkcat› Ain't no way I would be getting checked after not playing for two years.
[16:51:00] ‹RootRanger› It's something
[16:51:10] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we are literally linked to every player out there
[16:51:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› even ronaldo
[16:51:14] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ugh
[16:51:18] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yeah, which is why I'm not -pushing- it, per se
[16:51:33] ‹MasterWalks› lets just lynch espi so i can get out of this tunnel
[16:51:43] ‹ddevans96› but it was enough for me to want to pressure you
[16:51:47] ‹Linkcat› You know, I was happy when I thought you targeted me, and then you threw a vote on me lol.
[16:52:10] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› just have to wait and see I guess
[16:52:16] ‹ddevans96› another reason why - you were the one who pushed the lynch on me d1, which pretty much derailed town for two days (leading to the above scenario of us lynching iancu)
[16:52:24] ‹ddevans96› it's not a strong scumread, don't get me wrong
[16:52:25] ‹PlayerOa› I should definitely go sleep now though
[16:52:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@PlayerOa› The final was a whole new level of boring
[16:52:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I think he's using his known recent inactivity as a cover.
[16:52:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› cya~
[16:52:43] ‹RootRanger› It's one of the better scumreads I've seen fwiw
[16:52:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Yeah I agree
[16:52:56] ‹Linkcat› The iancu lynch was ass.
[16:52:56] ‹Wyand› ‹@Calindu› gnight, dream with Unstable Gases :D
[16:53:00] ‹Linkcat› So was the JCJ lynch.
[16:53:01] ‹RootRanger› I agree with you somewhat on Link but still think you're missing the picture on shock
[16:53:09] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› :(
[16:53:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› most exciting bit was the girl running on the pitch
[16:53:23] ‹Linkcat› You lynched two guys who didn't do anything scummy and weren't even around to defend themselves.
[16:53:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› imagine she injured salah xd
[16:53:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Hahah won't disagree with that
[16:53:40] ‹Linkcat› And who had little interaction with others so we didn't even get much info.
[16:53:40] ‹Wyand› ‹@PlayerOa› sorry, I couldn't miss this one :) I will surely dream with Mitos :D
[16:53:53] ‹ddevans96› so we should have lynched IW, as I said
[16:53:55] ‹RootRanger› Idk, if shock turns Civ I'm open to the Link lynch after depending on what info turns up
[16:53:57] ‹Linkcat› And good players, too.
[16:54:05] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› lulx
[16:54:05] ‹Linkcat› Insig is town though.
[16:54:06] ‹PlayerOa› luls
[16:54:07] ‹RootRanger› But to just ignore the shock lynch still doesn't make sense
[16:54:14] ‹Linkcat› No way he would claim as mafia.
[16:54:18] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe there's a good chance an inactive player is mafia
[16:54:20] ‹ddevans96› even disregarding my scumread on IW, that was a better lynch than iancu
[16:54:27] ‹PlayerOa› good night all
[16:54:29] ‹Calindu› Since the graboid role just makes it so easy to lay low
[16:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc again - the only tie iancu had was shock, who is getting ignored*
[16:54:41] ‹ddevans96› *being talked about 24/7
[16:54:53] ‹RootRanger› he's being talked about because he's our best lynch option
[16:55:17] ‹ddevans96› I don't agree. I think he's town
[16:55:25] ‹Wyand› gnight all
[16:55:31] ‹Calindu› I only opted to lynch ian because I didn't want to lynch you anymore and a no lynch was terrible
[16:55:32] ‹MasterWalks› Alright, who is role claiming next>
[16:55:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@Wyand› Night
[16:55:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› (id really recomment someone doing chatlog before it becomes massive)
[16:56:07] ‹MasterWalks› ill show you massive
[16:56:13] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› oops
[16:56:23] ‹MasterWalks› i meant to draw massive dragon
[16:56:24] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nub
[16:56:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› fail
[16:56:30] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› why iancu and not IW? were you townreading IW? if so, why?
[16:56:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Oh, by the way
[16:56:54] ‹Espithel› I didn't get roleblocked last night.
[16:56:56] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:06] ‹ddevans96› or, conversely - were you scumreading iancu, and if so, why
[16:57:23] ‹MasterWalks› Oh so we are blocking GN but nor espi, THE ONE PERSON I ASKED TO BE BLOCKED??
[16:57:43] ‹Espithel› Woke take:
[16:57:44] ‹Espithel› I'm the GN
[16:57:45] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:49] ‹Espithel› (Joke.)
[16:57:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I believed the only way IW was mafia and lying about guard is if you were mafia as well
[16:57:56] ‹ddevans96› wrinkled brain
[16:58:32] ‹ddevans96› I've outlined why I disagree with that multiple times, so this conversation would get repetitive if I argued
[16:58:35] ‹ddevans96› but regardless, fair
[16:58:36] ‹Calindu› So if I didn't believe you were mafia anymore, I didn't see anything wrong about IW
[16:59:04] ‹Calindu› I don't know if it's wrong or not, but that's how I've seen it and still see it
[16:59:14] ‹ddevans96› it's fair to see it that way
[16:59:35] ‹Calindu› There's just no reason for IW to claim guard if he was mafia, it makes absolutely no sense
[16:59:37] ‹ddevans96› I think Coffee said on d1, just because I disagree doesn't mean I think you're wrong for thinking it
[16:59:42] ‹Espithel› Hey did you know there's two GNs in this game
[16:59:44] ‹Espithel› You've got the GN
[16:59:46] ‹ddevans96› no, it could make sense, in certain scenarios
[16:59:50] ‹Espithel› And then you've got the shitty Green Nymph
[16:59:55] ‹ddevans96› it'd be risky
[17:00:19] ‹ddevans96› but again, I don't think risky is the worst play for mafia in this setup
[17:01:17] ‹ddevans96› mostly, I just find it notable that I voted on IW for a very light reason, and he immediately went to roleblock me - could be legitimately thinking I was sus, yes
[17:01:30] ‹ddevans96› feels like....actually
[17:01:39] ‹ddevans96› wait. let me review some things over dinner
[17:01:42] ‹Linkcat› I think he was still scumreading you from Day 1.
[17:01:46] ‹Linkcat› Sorry
[17:02:11] ‹Calindu› I try to think about it logically and from a game optimal theory perspective, although a lot of things happened that don't really make sense
[17:02:45] ‹Calindu› But I agree that we can't lynch people making mistakes and misusing roles, because we'll get nowhere
[17:03:05] ‹ddevans96› hm. what I was thinking...it felt like IW knew I was right about him being mafia, so he panicked and went for the roleblock
[17:03:20] ‹ddevans96› but...if he was mafia, you would think he would discuss his actions with his team
[17:03:28] ‹ddevans96› if I think he roleblocked me out of panic
[17:03:40] ‹MasterWalks› I agree with dd on insig here.
[17:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would actually be a towntell
[17:03:56] ‹MasterWalks› He did it out of panic as he doesnt think ahead
[17:04:12] ‹MasterWalks› well actually, that part of guarding you wasnt all that bad
[17:04:16] ‹ddevans96› lone town is more likely to use an action out of panic than grouped mafia, I think
[17:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› its the reveal that was a bad play
[17:05:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Were you scumreading IW D1?
[17:05:06] ‹Calindu› I don't remember that
[17:05:08] ‹ddevans96› yes
[17:05:10] ‹ddevans96› very lightly
[17:05:42] ‹ddevans96› it wasn't exactly publicly clear that it was a very light read, however - just regular light
[17:06:10] ‹ddevans96› it was bc he voted on me immediately after Link's post, essentially
[17:06:27] ‹Calindu› Well, if he didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure he would see it as a survival game
[17:06:50] ‹Calindu› So it makes sense to target people that would want you lynched
[17:07:09] ‹Calindu› Because I clearly remember I did that mistake and threw a couple of games when I first started
[17:07:20] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:07:26] ‹ddevans96› nice formatting
[17:07:36] ‹ddevans96› those were the votes immediately before Link moved his vote to me
[17:08:00] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat || MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ || dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 || JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger || shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel || InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo || iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:08:07] ‹ddevans96› separated (sorry for double)
[17:08:22] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[17:08:58] ‹ddevans96› then Link moved to me from Espi, and IW moved to me from himself
[17:09:10] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town, I think that's favorable for both Link and IW
[17:09:16] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is mafia, I think the opposite
[17:09:46] ‹ddevans96› @Espithel thoughts?
[17:09:57] ‹MasterWalks› So when it is revealed that espi is mafia, thats bad for Link and insig?
[17:10:14] ‹MasterWalks› why exactly?
[17:10:31] ‹ddevans96› because Espi was the lead lynch at that time
[17:10:58] ‹MasterWalks› well i think Espi is mafia, but i still moved my vote
[17:11:09] ‹ddevans96› if he was mafia, it would make sense for them to try to direct the vote elsewhere - we would have to answer the question of why Link's vote was on him in the first place, though
[17:11:14] ‹ddevans96› so maybe it says nothing about Link
[17:11:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, for that reason, I don't think it says anything about you either
[17:11:35] ‹Espithel› I think what happened there
[17:11:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root tunnels more than MW and gets really salty
[17:11:44] ‹ddevans96› unless you did a lot of bussing
[17:11:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Makes for good entertainment
[17:11:48] ‹Calindu› I don't think the Espi train mattered at that point
[17:11:58] ‹Linkcat› That's what I was thinking lol. Like, I had to save him from the lead that I put him in?
[17:12:13] ‹ddevans96› it would be mega brain of you
[17:12:21] ‹ddevans96› so I can't discard it - but probably not
[17:13:17] ‹Espithel› Is Linkcat punished me for OwOing
[17:13:32] ‹Espithel› Then actually looked at the posts, then made a serious decision
[17:13:39] ‹ddevans96› the other votes on me were Cal (could mean something if Espi flips mafia, but I still townread), Espi (selfpres, and took off anyways), iancu (dead town), Mobian (did put the chain 'out of reach', seemed sure I would be lynched...hmmmmmmmmmm, maybe him too)
[17:14:11] ‹kaempfer13› ok 11 people who did not roleclaim, 4 of which I think i can softread and 1 of which i know cuz its mine
[17:14:23] ‹ddevans96› if Espi was mafia, I'd want to look at Mobian (and IW, but I've already established that)
[17:14:32] ‹kaempfer13› nobody claim a role before gn is revealed
[17:14:42] ‹MasterWalks› whats your soft reads?
[17:14:58] ‹Linkcat› We should have done that from the start.
[17:15:09] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town - I would be comfortable saying that IW is just nervous town
[17:15:11] ‹Linkcat› Why would you ask him that lmao
[17:15:18] ‹kaempfer13› soft reads for secondary roles are bad to reveal i think
[17:15:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol im addicted to info
[17:15:28] ‹ddevans96› anyways, errands - MAKE SURE THIS GETS LOGGED
[17:15:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root: “role claim is bad”. Also root: “everyone is 50/50 unless GN reveals”. Also Root: “we need to lunch every day”
[17:15:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we should play chatfia rn
[17:15:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root is an entropy main confirmed
[17:15:45] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› also, post your 'no more claims until GN is revealed' in the thread
[17:15:51] ‹ddevans96› so people not here hopefully see it and heed it
[17:16:30] ‹Calindu› I think claims are fine if it's strong info that leads to finding a mafia
[17:16:49] ‹Linkcat› Of course.
[17:16:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No secondary role can actually offer facts to find mafia other than GN
[17:16:56] ‹MasterWalks› I still think GN should reveal if they find 2 mafia
[17:17:09] ‹kaempfer13› 4 are mafia, so that leaves us with a 1/3 for gn to be found
[17:17:17] ‹Linkcat› That's a no-brainer too.
[17:17:20] ‹Calindu› I personally wanted to claim if I found a GN or GN target and saw focus on them in the thread
[17:17:23] ‹kaempfer13› 2 more claims and she will be found for sure
[17:17:38] ‹Calindu› Though I didn't find anything like that
[17:19:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:20:09] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GN has to claim after N4 if they know 3 primary roles
[17:20:40] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I would like you to make a rads list.
[17:20:46] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think they should if they only found town tho
[17:20:47] ‹Linkcat› reads*
[17:20:52] ‹kaempfer13› yh, she wont live beyond that with all those claims
[17:21:25] ‹MasterWalks› well actually i take that
[17:21:27] ‹MasterWalks› back
[17:22:00] ‹Calindu› I don't actually have any read list tbh, though I'd probably put most people as either neutral or lean town read
[17:22:36] ‹Linkcat› Any scumreads?
[17:22:54] ‹MasterWalks› Ill post rn but im not going to cut out all the SOCCER talk
[17:23:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› that which i hunger for in the night is Frozen Panties
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
[14:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee posted today
[14:53:01] ‹MasterWalks› he shouldnt get modkill
[14:55:33] ‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day
[14:55:41] ‹Coffeeditto› I think it has something to do with my not voting
[14:57:12] ‹MasterWalks› Thats not against rules at all
[14:57:17] ‹Coffeeditto› oh.
[14:57:23] ‹Coffeeditto› maybe I didn't post every day
[14:57:30] ‹MasterWalks› Graboid would be modkilled every game
[14:57:40] ‹Coffeeditto› right
[14:58:36] ‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He cant modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase
[14:58:55] ‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night
[15:01:55] ‹Espithel› That
[15:02:01] ‹Espithel› That right there is seriously important
[15:03:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nubmachine
[15:04:24] ‹ddevans96› testing deck
[15:04:27] ‹ddevans96› draw no novas for three games
[15:04:30] ‹ddevans96› then draw four novas
[15:04:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[15:04:41] ‹ddevans96› feelsElements
[15:06:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah
[15:06:09] ‹Espithel› OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOY
[15:06:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah woah woah
[15:08:36] ‹Espithel› THAT'S SOME SERIOUS INFORMATION RIGHT THERE
[15:10:00] ‹ddevans96› tfw someone who should have been modkilled gives game changing information
[15:10:10] ‹Espithel› Oh BOY
[15:10:25] ‹Espithel› Sub IS a bastard mod
[15:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› tfw the rules on modkilling aren't fleshed out properly
[15:10:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:10:57] ‹ddevans96› 8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
[15:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I think it's a dumb rule, tbh, but it's pretty clear
[15:11:59] ‹Espithel› His last post was on day 1
[15:12:03] ‹Espithel› Night 1, Day 2, Night 2
[15:12:06] ‹Espithel› Should've been modkilled.
[15:12:12] ‹ddevans96› yes
[15:13:01] ‹MasterWalks› hooooly shit
[15:13:14] ‹MasterWalks› Thats some juicy stuff right there
[15:13:28] ‹MasterWalks› At least he got it out before getting killed
[15:13:45] ‹ddevans96› I mean...it's out in the open now, nothing we can really do except pretend he said it at the end of night 2
[15:14:50] ‹Coffeeditto› so should I have acted as dead before being declared dead?
[15:15:04] ‹Espithel› What I'm gonna say
[15:15:12] ‹Espithel› Is no one should post in mafia until Sub/Link's sorted this out.
[15:15:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› another issue with allowing chat is, is it fine if you chat post within the three phases?
[15:15:30] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:15:34] ‹Espithel› DON'T
[15:15:38] ‹Espithel› DON'T MAKE ME THINK ABOUT IT
[15:15:41] ‹ddevans96› I asked Link, and he said the rule was clear, it must be post
[15:15:41] ‹Espithel› NO
[15:15:43] ‹Espithel› PLEASE NO
[15:16:51] ‹ddevans96› (again, I disagree with the rule, I think if you're using abilities/talking in chat you shouldn't be modkilled - but that is the rule)
[15:17:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh wells
[15:18:21] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› lets just not riot too much about it and get too angry xd
[15:18:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› whatever the decision sub/link decide
[15:19:58] ‹Espithel› So, yeah.
[15:20:09] ‹Espithel› I think we shouldn't talk about mafia until Link/Sub's sorted it out. Is that controversial?
[15:20:31] ‹Espithel› Because DC was the one who should've modkilled Coffee
[15:20:45] ‹Espithel› This might have the potential to end the game on the spot.
[15:21:22] ‹Coffeeditto› was the phase shorter than usual?
[15:21:40] ‹ddevans96› no, they've all been two days
[15:23:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› honestly, id still just carry on w the mafia, its not a massive thing. yh its in the rules, but theres a bit of common sense too. If sub/link modkill coffee, let that be and just play as normal tbh. just my 2 cents
[15:24:09] ‹RootRanger› Eh, "post" could be interpreted to also mean PM to host
[15:24:19] ‹RootRanger› Guest is shock, right?
[15:24:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› no
[15:24:32] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› its me ww3
[15:24:35] ‹RootRanger› rip lol
[15:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Anyways
[15:24:54] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› dw you dont get to have fun roast battles rn
[15:24:58] ‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules
[15:25:34] ‹RootRanger› He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right?
[15:26:08] ‹RootRanger› Or night 0, makes no difference really
[15:26:24] ‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked)
[15:26:37] ‹Coffeeditto› No hold up
[15:26:38] ‹RootRanger› So this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying
[15:26:47] ‹RootRanger› (unless I'm missing something)
[15:27:07] ‹Coffeeditto› he is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely
[15:27:32] ‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now?
[15:27:42] ‹RootRanger› Ofc
[15:27:46] ‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
[15:27:53] ‹RootRanger› Lovely
[15:27:55] ‹Espithel› f u c k i n g h e l l
[15:28:16] ‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone
[15:28:24] ‹RootRanger› 1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie
[15:28:29] ‹RootRanger› (or he's mafia)
[15:28:39] ‹RootRanger› 2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia)
[15:28:58] ‹RootRanger› 3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia
[15:29:19] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly
[15:29:48] ‹Coffeeditto› No, because he might be lying again in this way:
[15:30:18] ‹Coffeeditto› he might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia
[15:30:19] ‹Espithel› Honourary Fifth!
[15:30:19] ‹kaempfer13› shocks chanxes of being mafia are always 1/5th it wont change anything about his playstyle
[15:30:29] ‹RootRanger› If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege
[15:30:51] ‹MasterWalks› Oh wait, i wasnt supposed to talk until sub and link do huh
[15:30:53] ‹RootRanger› He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does
[15:31:05] ‹RootRanger› That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds
[15:31:09] ‹kaempfer13› gn targets people on even nights now
[15:31:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@kaempfer13› slightly more than 1/5. 4/19
[15:31:19] ‹RootRanger› Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is
[15:31:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I'd prefer it if you didn't
[15:31:21] ‹Espithel› But
[15:31:22] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› :silly:
[15:31:26] ‹Espithel› It's not like I can stop you
[15:31:47] ‹Espithel› If Root's SCREAMING, you can too
[15:31:50] ‹RootRanger› I think it's 4/14 accounting for 4 civs dead, plus me being civ
[15:31:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
[15:32:18] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› doesntchange the odds of being assigned it from the start
[15:32:24] ‹RootRanger› shock hasn't been helping either :/
[15:32:49] ‹RootRanger› Like, the people who want shock alive
[15:32:51] ‹kaempfer13› and you even argued about how probabilities work earlier
[15:33:02] ‹RootRanger› Is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us
[15:33:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Oa!
[15:33:47] ‹PlayerOa› Heyyo
[15:33:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i can talk CL and mafia w you yayyyy
[15:34:02] ‹PlayerOa› I’m drunk as heck tho
[15:34:08] ‹PlayerOa› On my phone
[15:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Is that w3?
[15:34:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh
[15:34:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh
[15:34:37] ‹PlayerOa› Nice
[15:34:57] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› pen or no?
[15:35:09] ‹PlayerOa› No way in hell
[15:35:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› o.O
[15:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› You think so?
[15:35:43] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› hand was way out for no reason
[15:35:46] ‹PlayerOa› Well i’m biased as i wanted spurs to win
[15:35:56] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i wanted spurs to win too ):
[15:36:02] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i think they shouldnt have played kane
[15:36:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› they work much better without him
[15:36:15] ‹PlayerOa› But my perception is that they make fouls of hands way too ofteb
[15:36:22] ‹PlayerOa› Well
[15:36:25] ‹PlayerOa› Hard to tell
[15:36:29] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› get kane off the bench if need be
[15:36:31] ‹PlayerOa› Kane is too good not to play
[15:36:42] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› play the team that beat man city, and ajax
[15:37:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› if so shocks an idiot once more; eor are refunded on failure, so gn should have targeted someone n1
[15:37:18] ‹kaempfer13› but ofc shock isnt gn
[15:37:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› for some reason, i dont rate kane that much
[15:37:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› he never delivers big goals or outstanding goals
[15:38:00] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› thoughts on a shock lynch?
[15:38:40] ‹kaempfer13› id like to do better than 25% if possible
[15:39:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, thats a lot of info that clears up tbh
[15:40:18] ‹MasterWalks› but we cant afford another town lynch this late
[15:40:38] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› did you have anyone in mind?
[15:40:44] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› really? with so many lies it proofs nothing to know his alignment
[15:41:36] ‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town
[15:41:41] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› i wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog
[15:42:19] ‹kaempfer13› and see if someone looks scummy through those votes
[15:42:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
[15:42:44] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› fair enough
[15:42:45] ‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
[15:42:58] ‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
[15:43:12] ‹kaempfer13› just quote my post use notepad++s replace all to color names green and see if it adds up
[15:43:16] ‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned?
[15:44:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:44:08] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› I mean, yeah
[15:44:23] ‹RootRanger› But he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored
[15:44:50] ‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
[15:44:51] ‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list
[15:44:53] ‹Espithel› Alright.
[15:44:57] ‹kaempfer13› sjock also believes me town
[15:45:12] ‹kaempfer13› one of the few consistent claims of his actually
[15:45:21] ‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ
[15:45:31] ‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less
[15:45:39] ‹RootRanger› Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos
[15:45:50] ‹RootRanger› Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos...
[15:50:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› I learned that removing noobs is the lowest priority when scumreading
[15:51:25] ‹RootRanger› Wdym?
[15:51:36] ‹RootRanger› So just let shock get away with whatever he wants because he's a noob?
[15:51:39] ‹kaempfer13› in fact a mafia member is less likely to do stupid stuff in public since they have a team making sure they dont say anything too scummy
[15:52:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:52:13] ‹RootRanger› Mafia shock wouldn't get hindered by his team
[15:52:28] ‹kaempfer13› although shock gets a special pass there, since being destructive to town was guaranteed from the start
[15:52:40] ‹RootRanger› lol
[15:52:49] ‹kaempfer13› so he would be pretty valuable to mafia as he cant be read
[15:52:57] ‹RootRanger› You see how lynching shock mitigates our worst-case scenario, right
[15:53:18] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch someone useful and they're civ, it sucks. If we lynch shock and their civ, we haven't really lost anything
[15:53:23] ‹RootRanger› and he's civ*
[15:56:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:58:24] ‹kaempfer13› if we wanted to eliminate chaos we should have killed shock right at the start
[15:58:29] ‹MasterWalks› espithel is insig if insig was mean
[15:59:16] ‹kaempfer13› by now if we cant get any better reads we will lose
[15:59:37] ‹Espithel› Lynch or Lose is on day 5, iirc.
[15:59:42] ‹kaempfer13› shock will be impossible to read so guaranteed worse than 25%
[15:59:50] ‹RootRanger› I was down for an early shock lynch
[16:00:05] ‹RootRanger› Right from the gate when he was randomly roleblocking people
[16:00:11] ‹kaempfer13› is there really nothing better we can get?
[16:00:20] ‹RootRanger› It's just gotten worse
[16:00:33] ‹RootRanger› The fake GN claim was a serious issue imo
[16:00:50] ‹RootRanger› If the actual GN had counterclaimed, it would have been a huge hit to us
[16:01:02] ‹Espithel› Linkcat is so done
[16:01:02] ‹RootRanger› Fortunately they didn't, but that doesn't take away from what shock was trying to do
[16:01:07] ‹Espithel› Jesus christ
[16:01:18] ‹kaempfer13› meh it was obvious to me it was a hoax
[16:01:38] ‹kaempfer13› before cals claim that is
[16:02:39] ‹RootRanger› Even so
[16:02:47] ‹RootRanger› His fake GN claim caused 2 people to make actual claims
[16:02:53] ‹RootRanger› (Calin and Coffee)
[16:03:06] ‹RootRanger› narrows down the list, for mafia
[16:03:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› dont you dare talk about mafia if you dont sign in
[16:03:41] ‹RootRanger› How many people have yet to role claim? 10? Less? A few of whom are probably mafia
[16:03:59] ‹RootRanger› Means they'll likely be able to snipe GN in the next few nights
[16:04:59] ‹kaempfer13› 6 claims are enough for magia
[16:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do you think any of the mafia have claimed?
[16:05:22] ‹RootRanger› In the worst case
[16:05:31] ‹Espithel› If they have a "useless" role, there doesn't seem to be any harm in it.
[16:05:37] ‹RootRanger› 15 players and 6 have claimed, another 4 are mafia, means GN is narrowed down to 5 people
[16:05:45] ‹RootRanger› That's the harm in claiming a useless role
[16:05:48] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› if so likely fake
[16:05:52] ‹RootRanger› Number of potential GNs is cut in half
[16:06:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Yeah, given the roles, it's probably fake
[16:06:13] ‹Espithel› (If one of them has claimed)
[16:06:26] ‹Espithel› But if it was something like, say, Green Nymph? That's really easy to claim safely.
[16:06:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Reads list. Now.
[16:06:36] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is that half of those claims were incited by shock
[16:06:41] ‹RootRanger› A fact everyone seems to be overlooking
[16:06:57] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› am I not dead?
[16:07:25] ‹ddevans96› I mean, no point killing you now, lol
[16:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.
[16:07:56] ‹RootRanger› Agreed, bit of a conflict of interest
[16:08:11] ‹Coffeeditto› then I would like to say that I have no need to out a reads list
[16:08:14] ‹Linkcat› Start being active and it won't be a problem.
[16:08:29] ‹Coffeeditto› see that's where this is kinda lame
[16:08:30] ‹Linkcat› Damnit Coffee.
[16:08:32] ‹ddevans96› ‹@RootRanger› do you have anything else of note right now other than 'shock bad'?
[16:08:34] ‹Espithel› Yeah. We shouldn't really be discussing this until Sub clears up the coffee issue
[16:08:46] ‹Espithel› But we are!
[16:08:50] ‹Coffeeditto› :))
[16:08:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› That's a bit of an oversimplification
[16:09:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› You want to lynch me because MW is tunnelling on me.
[16:09:11] ‹Coffeeditto› I know my 5th amendment rights
[16:09:12] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yes, but also no
[16:09:16] ‹MasterWalks› we just got a lot of heavy info. Of course we are going to talk about it, and they cant really stop us
[16:09:34] ‹RootRanger› To me it's a super clear choice when one player is doing more to screw over the civs than anybody else
[16:09:39] ‹Linkcat› I don't expect Root to give us anything before a few more flips.
[16:09:51] ‹RootRanger› That is far more powerful than reading excessively into whatever random soft info
[16:10:04] ‹Espithel› You also want to lynch Shock because he's a bad town who's helping the mafia.
[16:10:05] ‹Guest-DejaVu-182e8› Jesus, people still play this game?
[16:10:09] ‹Espithel› I-is like
[16:10:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-DejaVu-182e8› yep
[16:10:22] ‹Espithel› Is Walk being supertunnel not bad town?
[16:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› it might be bad town but its not bad for town
[16:10:39] ‹RootRanger› I actually retract wanting to lynch Espi - had originally thought MW was GN who targeted Espi N1 but this was proven otherwise
[16:10:40] ‹Linkcat› That guest name is really fitting lol.
[16:10:49] ‹RootRanger› I think the strongest town right now is Calindu
[16:10:56] ‹kaempfer13› if we wait for sub to do anything we need an extension
[16:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Seen that exact sentence at least a few times.
[16:11:03] ‹ddevans96› we've also acknowledged MW and IW as 'bad town' - and by we, I mean Link did in his reads list, and no one disagrees
[16:11:03] ‹RootRanger› In that he's been active, coherent, and provided useful information
[16:11:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› My argument here is nascent, but I swear there's a contradiction there
[16:11:29] ‹ddevans96› it's a different kind of 'bad town' than what shock's doing
[16:11:33] ‹kaempfer13› so much stuff to do before settling for a lynch
[16:11:35] ‹Espithel› -Lynch shock because he damages town
[16:11:38] ‹RootRanger› "bad town" is such a contradiction to me - if someone is playing in the best interests of mafia, it's a clear lynch unless it's lynch-or-die
[16:11:41] ‹Espithel› -MW is damaging town by tunnelling me constantly
[16:11:58] ‹Espithel› -Therefore, if not shock, Espi? ?????????????????????????????
[16:12:04] ‹Espithel› Doesn't matter as he's retracted it, but
[16:12:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› we have multiple of those
[16:12:05] ‹RootRanger› Ok sure, if you want though, if we throw out MW/IW/shock and just give them a free pass
[16:12:14] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shock, mw insig
[16:12:18] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Some worse than others, though
[16:12:22] ‹ddevans96› different kind of 'bad town', againbn
[16:12:32] ‹ddevans96› again* - and I should note that term is in quotes bc I hate it lol
[16:12:35] ‹kaempfer13› me for a while too, but I think i got better
[16:12:36] ‹RootRanger› shock is an order of magnitude more harmful
[16:12:47] ‹Espithel› He definitely is.
[16:12:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i honestly dont see how tunneling you is bad for town. Look at votes rn and tell me if anyone is actually listening to me
[16:13:08] ‹Linkcat› You can't really inactivity modkill in the middle of a phase. If he hasn't been declared dead by the host then he's alive.
[16:13:11] ‹MasterWalks› no one.
[16:13:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Because it makes any actual argument that I'm scummy a lot worse.
[16:13:25] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› noone listening to input from a town is bad for town
[16:13:40] ‹MasterWalks› Well thats not my fault
[16:13:41] ‹Espithel› You constantly tunnelling me makes it a lot harder to lynch me.
[16:13:42] ‹kaempfer13› and you are losing credibility with each repition
[16:13:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@RootRanger› Why would I ever lynch someone who I believe is town?
[16:14:06] ‹RootRanger› Because you believe everyone is town
[16:14:15] ‹MasterWalks› I lost credibility a long time ago. I can actually show you the exact post
[16:14:17] ‹RootRanger› If "believe is town" means ">50% chance"
[16:14:26] ‹Linkcat› No I don't.
[16:14:33] ‹RootRanger› Then not believing someone is town is an extremely bold claim
[16:14:45] ‹RootRanger› I don't think anyone except GN has info to think that someone is more likely mafia than not
[16:15:03] ‹RootRanger› I think they'd be wrong more often than not simply because there are way more civs than mafia and people aren't as smart as they think they are
[16:15:09] ‹Linkcat› No, believe is town means 90%
[16:15:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Thing is right, you can regain it.
[16:15:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:15:35] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Linkcat› In that case, I think you'd be wrong to believe shock is town
[16:15:43] ‹MasterWalks› thats when i lost credibility, although i still find that post hilarious
[16:15:44] ‹Linkcat› What if I am as smart as I think I am?
[16:15:51] ‹RootRanger› Playing poorly does not mean town. Playing in the best interests of mafia definitely doesn't
[16:16:58] ‹ddevans96› also - in regards to MW's brand of 'bad town' and why I'm not ignoring it the way people are shock - keep in mind I literally called MW 'shock lite' earlier in the game
[16:17:19] ‹MasterWalks› Im still offended by that
[16:17:31] ‹RootRanger› So idk about Espi anymore
[16:17:40] ‹RootRanger› I'd thought there was a decent chance MW was GN who investigated Espi N0
[16:17:46] ‹RootRanger› But Coffee's info disproved that
[16:17:55] • Espithel pants
[16:17:58] ‹ddevans96› why would you be offended?
[16:18:02] ‹Espithel› I'M NEVER GOING TO POST THE NICE, CLEAN, EDITED CHATLOG
[16:18:07] ‹ddevans96› my opinion of shock does not match everyone else's
[16:18:09] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**
[16:18:38] ‹RootRanger› There are...interesting interactions though
[16:19:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› end of day timer?
[16:19:22] ‹ddevans96› like 18h from now
[16:19:25] ‹ddevans96› 19h really
[16:19:27] ‹RootRanger› MW goes after Espi, Link goes after dd, drawing away from Espi. dd then joins votes with MW
[16:19:50] ‹RootRanger› If we're giving a free pass to all the "bad towns" then I think this is something to go off of
[16:20:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› Hey, are you allowed to edit OP to add in the phase link to this phase?
[16:20:14] ‹Linkcat› No
[16:20:15] ‹MasterWalks› DubC most likely wont be on for another 12 hours
[16:20:18] ‹MasterWalks› damn
[16:20:37] ‹ddevans96› the only actual 'bad town' is shock
[16:20:46] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:20:47] ‹RootRanger› Looking back into D1
[16:20:55] ‹RootRanger› There was clearly pressure being drawn away from Espi
[16:20:56] ‹Espithel› I'M NOT ACTUALLY SCREAMING I JUST NEED TO SHOUT IN ALLCAPS TO CALM MY NERVES
[16:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› 18 hours
[16:21:21] ‹RootRanger› Most strongly from Linkcat but also from kaempfer and moehrpi, among the people who are alive
[16:21:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why did you Ward me?
[16:22:15] ‹RootRanger› Lynching Espi would give info at least.
[16:22:21] ‹RootRanger› There are worse lynches
[16:22:31] ‹ddevans96› yes, I'm of the belief that Espi is the best information lynch
[16:22:36] ‹ddevans96› better than Link and IW, at the moment
[16:22:42] ‹ddevans96› (which are my other two mafia leans)
[16:22:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› because of this post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:23:05] ‹MasterWalks› I dont believe IW is mafia nor will he give info UNLESS he lied
[16:23:06] ‹RootRanger› Thing is
[16:23:16] ‹MasterWalks› but i dont hink insig has the actual ability to lie
[16:23:24] ‹RootRanger› We could be totally wrong about all of this - Espi could be civ, or Espi could be mafia but all the people who drew votes away from him be civ
[16:23:35] ‹RootRanger› And our GN will *still* get roleblocked next round by shock or someone else
[16:23:36] ‹Wyand›
[16:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much
[16:24:25] ‹Espithel› We have 2 shots before lynch or die.
[16:24:42] ‹RootRanger› I'm ok with lynching shock in those circumstances
[16:24:44] ‹Coffeeditto› untrue
[16:24:57] ‹Coffeeditto› extenuating circumstances could alter those
[16:25:25] ‹Coffeeditto› it's safest to play assuming we have 1, as I could die from poison due to adrenaline or someone may already be poisined who is afk
[16:26:15] ‹Espithel› I am 80% happy saying that Poison isn't a role in this game.
[16:26:20] ‹Calindu› Can anyone provide a quick summary since the last chat log was posted?
[16:26:25] ‹Espithel› But, yes.
[16:26:39] ‹RootRanger› Ok the MW/dd vote pattern is a bit weird at this point
[16:26:40] ‹Espithel› You mean the one I *just* posted or
[16:26:53] ‹RootRanger› I think one would likely tell us info about the other
[16:27:31] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you. I meant toadfish's poison
[16:27:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› in other news, this guys did a better magic audition at agt than shin lim:
[16:27:43] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› our GN got roleblocked N0 and everyone is completely ok with people like shock blind roleblocking
[16:28:03] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› normal arguments between me and linkcat
[16:28:03] ‹ddevans96› dunno how you can read into my votes when I spend two days defending myself, but sure
[16:28:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› I also meant toadfish's poison
[16:28:34] ‹RootRanger› I'm just going straight from the logs
[16:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, most people actually advised against blind roleblocking
[16:28:51] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› voting pattern ?
[16:28:59] ‹Calindu› I'm conflicted about shock, on some end a lot of people read him as town, but at the same time, we caught him in multiple lies that forced random roleclaims
[16:29:01] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› and have no interest in lynching people who do it anyways
[16:29:07] ‹RootRanger› actions speak louder than words
[16:29:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› A voting pattern is how you've changed votes.
[16:29:30] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› if a lot of people read him as town, it's all the more useful to lynch him, because then if he's mafia you have info on all the people who defended him
[16:29:34] ‹Espithel› So, for example. Your voting pattern tends to be "Lynch Espithel, follow dd/link"
[16:29:52] ‹RootRanger› ‹@MasterWalks› That you two are oftentimes on the same side
[16:29:53] ‹Espithel› This is a gross simplification
[16:29:58] ‹MasterWalks› because they have E X P E R I A N C E
[16:29:59] ‹ddevans96› sorry my philosophy is different than yours
[16:30:09] ‹Espithel› I have E X P E R I E N C E
[16:30:16] ‹ddevans96› I have no interesting in lynching my strongest town read
[16:30:24] ‹ddevans96› regardless of how erratic their play has been
[16:30:58] ‹RootRanger› weird person to pick for your strongest town read
[16:31:07] ‹ddevans96› I mean, it's Link's too
[16:31:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Root wants to lynch you instead of MW because he uses "petty lynches" as the deciding factor between two different people to reduce bias.
[16:31:11] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:31:14] ‹Linkcat› Guys, if shock is mine and dd's strongest townread, that dude's town lol.
[16:31:41] ‹MasterWalks› and dd is an orchestrater. Thats why i vote where he votes
[16:31:47] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› The lynch on MW would be the better play
[16:31:54] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E D O R C H E S T R A T O R
[16:31:55] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I agree, I'm not moving my vote from shock, if he's town, I still think it's not that bad of a lynch
[16:32:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› I'm meming on a post he made earlier
[16:32:10] ‹Linkcat› Orchestrating is not a thing lmao
[16:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I love that
[16:32:22] ‹Linkcat› It's called a push.
[16:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› what is OMGUS?
[16:32:52] ‹ddevans96› and also - I think IW's roleblock on me was just as bad/suspicious as any roleblock shock has (allegedly) done
[16:32:55] ‹Espithel› OH MY GOD YOU SUCK
[16:32:57] ‹ddevans96› I maintain that
[16:33:01] ‹Espithel› Or, voting on people who don't like you
[16:33:15] ‹Espithel› Usually meaning voting on people who vote on you
[16:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› i love that too tbh
[16:33:18] ‹Espithel› Sort of like revenge
[16:33:21] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Yes but shock has done more than just roleblock
[16:33:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› this mafia is crazy. people are crazy. people are stupid. its so fun. im missing out. im jealous.
[16:33:33] ‹Calindu› Why would IW claim about guarding dd if he's mafia?
[16:33:36] ‹RootRanger› He solicited a GN counterclaim - if he'd succeeded it would have completely screwed us over
[16:33:38] ‹Espithel› Hey, given all the crazy shit Shock's managed to do
[16:33:50] ‹Espithel› I guess he *is* an e x p e r i e n c e d o r c h e s t r a t o r
[16:34:04] ‹Espithel› An orchestrator of chaos
[16:34:08] ‹Espithel› aha funnyjokeHELPME
[16:35:02] ‹MasterWalks› Here is the thing, I know insig fairly well. I talk to him quite a bit. His role claim and stuff is literally something he didnt think all the way through. He is a smart kid but he doesn think ahead very well
[16:35:04] ‹Calindu› If our GN was online at that point and didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure they would counterclaim
[16:35:05] ‹ddevans96› GN counterclaiming would have been bad, but it wouldn't have lost the game
[16:35:21] ‹MasterWalks› Look at last mafia. Look at his War bids.
[16:37:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Really depends on whether shock is mafia or not, if he's mafia, it's not that bad, but if he's town and forced a GN counterclaim, I don't see us winning anymore from there
[16:37:04] ‹Linkcat› So you're saying Insig is a dumbass.
[16:37:15] ‹MasterWalks› no
[16:37:23] ‹MasterWalks› i said he is a smart kid
[16:37:27] ‹MasterWalks› just a bad planner
[16:37:56] ‹ddevans96› I just don't agree. I've seen games won with a seer/etc revealing early. it's risky, but we'd at least know shock is mafia, and get enough information from the GN to point to a second
[16:38:04] ‹ddevans96› to be clear: a GN counterclaim would have been very bad
[16:38:10] ‹ddevans96› just...not apocalpytic
[16:38:28] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if shock is mafia and forcing a GN counterclaim, it's not game losing
[16:38:40] ‹RootRanger› shock is civ because he hasn't instigated an apocalypse that caused us to lose
[16:38:44] ‹Calindu› But if he's town and doing that, we just lose
[16:38:45] ‹RootRanger› yeet
[16:38:56] ‹ddevans96› that has nothing to do with my town read
[16:39:20] ‹Espithel› If shock was mafia
[16:39:24] ‹Espithel› Why would he force a GN counterclaim?
[16:39:34] ‹Espithel› That would practically require giant, humoungous testicles
[16:39:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› are you typing up the part 2
[16:39:50] ‹ddevans96› which shock has shown he has. or, he's GN
[16:39:52] ‹ddevans96› *shrug*
[16:40:13] ‹MasterWalks› big balled shock
[16:40:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:40:19] • Espithel coughs
[16:40:22] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[16:40:29] ‹ddevans96› unless you think the only reason shock claimed GN is because I said I suspected he was GN
[16:40:29] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel›
[16:40:36] ‹Coffeeditto› you pinged me
[16:40:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› You know
[16:40:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:58] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› stop right there
[16:41:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:41:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I literally said why I claimed GN in my info dump
[16:41:05] ‹ddevans96› still think him being GN or mafia is a more likely scenario than him being literally anything else
[16:41:06] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[16:41:09] ‹Espithel› I clearly need to calm down.
[16:41:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› But I guess no one reads posts anymore
[16:41:18] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› just part of your GN cover
[16:41:47] ‹Linkcat› I believe he is Flayer.
[16:41:52] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure why shock would ever claim GN like that, I don't even know what would happen this round if I didn't find an inconsistency with my rule
[16:41:53] ‹ddevans96› also - you misunderstood my sentence
[16:42:08] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks he knows the game better than anyone else
[16:42:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have a fun game to play
[16:42:22] ‹ddevans96› or, if nothing else, he's acting like he thinks that
[16:42:40] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› why would anyone read your posts
[16:42:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No one uses any abilities or talks at all and then we play the RNG game between GN Zand mafia
[16:43:14] ‹RootRanger› Civs did fine for 60+ mafias before shock came here to save the day
[16:43:16] ‹ddevans96› he's literally outright said that his posts are where he's actually playing the game
[16:43:30] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have used my abilities every single night and have been trying to discuss as much as possible, this is definitely not GN vs mafia
[16:43:46] ‹ddevans96› civs won by you abusing broken rulesets like ten mafias in a row
[16:43:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@Calindu› but that’s what root wants
[16:43:52] ‹ddevans96› not by anyone else's skill
[16:43:55] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› And roots been winning for 60+ mafia
[16:44:09] ‹ddevans96› feels like most other games, mafia won. forum mafia favors the mafia team
[16:44:15] ‹Wyand›
[16:44:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› wait what, shock has played 10 mafis here? since when?
[16:44:39] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has definitely been favored in the past in the absence of a broken setup.
[16:44:56] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has won because of some unbalanced setups too, though.
[16:44:58] ‹ddevans96› context clues, vulture
[16:44:59] ‹Calindu› Maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather trust Root than the person who forced me to info dump
[16:45:10] ‹RootRanger› Also
[16:45:17] ‹Linkcat› Or at least terrible mechanics that turned over the result.
[16:45:17] ‹ddevans96› he didn't force you to do anything. you made that decision
[16:45:29] ‹RootRanger› Kuro's mafia had 183 pages of content, all without shock forcing people to roleclaim
[16:45:48] ‹ddevans96› you fell for bait. like people are saying 'just ignore shock' and then...don't ignore shock
[16:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses
[16:46:00] ‹ddevans96› pick one side of the fence. lean into his style like I am, or completely ignore him
[16:46:01] ‹RootRanger› You were the one lynching him ddevans
[16:46:04] ‹Linkcat› That game was won based off of reads, not mechanics.
[16:46:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I made that decision, because I didn't want Linkcat lynched based on a lie, and I also didn't want a GN counterclaim
[16:46:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Poch to stay? Why would he leave?
[16:46:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› It's hard to ignore something like "I am GN, Linkcat is mafia"
[16:46:40] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› to win trophies XD
[16:46:46] ‹ddevans96› Linkcat wasn't getting lynched based on a lie, it was the first four hours of the phase
[16:46:51] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› like if a big club comes calling
[16:46:58] ‹ddevans96› you could have done it subtlety, or you could have waited
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but there isnt a big club coming calling anymore
[16:47:05] ‹PlayerOa› Well to who
[16:47:11] ‹Calindu› Because it didn't look like the bs post you normally see, it was a claim
[16:47:18] ‹PlayerOa› Man utd won't come for him atm anyway
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no
[16:47:23] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh, i realised that hes got no where to go
[16:47:30] ‹PlayerOa› yep
[16:47:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› all the big clubs have sorted their managers now
[16:47:40] ‹PlayerOa› Well juve
[16:47:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› id have said juve but seems like they got sarri
[16:47:50] ‹PlayerOa› But guess they won't go for poch
[16:47:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I claimed before you voted though
[16:48:06] ‹ddevans96› yes. as I just said
[16:48:10] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah heard some talk about sarri-> juve
[16:48:15] ‹RootRanger› 1.) shock tries to lynch linkcat under false pretenses
[16:48:21] ‹ddevans96› uh, wrong copy-paste, sorry
[16:48:24] ‹RootRanger› 2.) Calindu disproves those pretenses
[16:48:36] ‹RootRanger› 3.) ddevans falls for them anyways?
[16:48:37] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no*
[16:48:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› did you see utd signed an ajax player???
[16:48:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but it wasnt de ligt XD
[16:48:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Aye fair I missed that bit
[16:48:52] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› a 16 yo ):
[16:48:55] ‹ddevans96› didn't fall for anything
[16:49:01] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah noticed lol
[16:49:02] ‹Espithel› Okay, guys
[16:49:04] ‹Espithel› I can't
[16:49:10] ‹Espithel› Someone else will have to do chatlog
[16:49:11] ‹Espithel› Sorry
[16:49:15] ‹Espithel› My brain is dying
[16:49:20] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Might be a good player, never heard of him though :sillyspin:
[16:49:31] ‹Calindu› I truly believe Linkcat would get lynched if I didn't roleclaim, and if Linkcat flips town, we lose
[16:49:34] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh no idea who he is, oh well lets see
[16:49:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› still need de ligt somehow, and a midfielder, and a striker, and a RB ):
[16:49:50] ‹ddevans96› the theory that led me to vote for Link, is that Link got his mafia buddy to target him with Anubis, and frame me for it if he turned scummy/flipped mafia
[16:49:55] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[16:50:03] ‹Linkcat› So who's down to lynch math?
[16:50:05] ‹PlayerOa› Exiting summer ahead of us though
[16:50:12] ‹Espithel› Why lynch math?
[16:50:13] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[16:50:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait, why math?
[16:50:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› Inactivity lynch?
[16:50:22] ‹Espithel› The mafia's just gonna NK him anyway
[16:50:27] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› if we sign anyone that is q.q
[16:50:37] ‹Linkcat› If I had an Anubis teammate, you can bet your ass I would have had them target me Night 0.
[16:50:44] ‹ddevans96› is that weak? sure. do we have anything else to go on? not really, because we lynched iancu, who had no connections other than shock, who everyone claims to want to ignore and lynch but doesn't, instead of IW, with connections to me and Cal
[16:50:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Lol, daniel james at least
[16:50:51] ‹PlayerOa› no world beater tho
[16:50:58] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[16:50:58] ‹Linkcat› Ain't no way I would be getting checked after not playing for two years.
[16:51:00] ‹RootRanger› It's something
[16:51:10] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we are literally linked to every player out there
[16:51:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› even ronaldo
[16:51:14] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ugh
[16:51:18] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yeah, which is why I'm not -pushing- it, per se
[16:51:33] ‹MasterWalks› lets just lynch espi so i can get out of this tunnel
[16:51:43] ‹ddevans96› but it was enough for me to want to pressure you
[16:51:47] ‹Linkcat› You know, I was happy when I thought you targeted me, and then you threw a vote on me lol.
[16:52:10] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› just have to wait and see I guess
[16:52:16] ‹ddevans96› another reason why - you were the one who pushed the lynch on me d1, which pretty much derailed town for two days (leading to the above scenario of us lynching iancu)
[16:52:24] ‹ddevans96› it's not a strong scumread, don't get me wrong
[16:52:25] ‹PlayerOa› I should definitely go sleep now though
[16:52:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@PlayerOa› The final was a whole new level of boring
[16:52:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I think he's using his known recent inactivity as a cover.
[16:52:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› cya~
[16:52:43] ‹RootRanger› It's one of the better scumreads I've seen fwiw
[16:52:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Yeah I agree
[16:52:56] ‹Linkcat› The iancu lynch was ass.
[16:52:56] ‹Wyand› ‹@Calindu› gnight, dream with Unstable Gases :D
[16:53:00] ‹Linkcat› So was the JCJ lynch.
[16:53:01] ‹RootRanger› I agree with you somewhat on Link but still think you're missing the picture on shock
[16:53:09] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› :(
[16:53:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› most exciting bit was the girl running on the pitch
[16:53:23] ‹Linkcat› You lynched two guys who didn't do anything scummy and weren't even around to defend themselves.
[16:53:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› imagine she injured salah xd
[16:53:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Hahah won't disagree with that
[16:53:40] ‹Linkcat› And who had little interaction with others so we didn't even get much info.
[16:53:40] ‹Wyand› ‹@PlayerOa› sorry, I couldn't miss this one :) I will surely dream with Mitos :D
[16:53:53] ‹ddevans96› so we should have lynched IW, as I said
[16:53:55] ‹RootRanger› Idk, if shock turns Civ I'm open to the Link lynch after depending on what info turns up
[16:53:57] ‹Linkcat› And good players, too.
[16:54:05] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› lulx
[16:54:05] ‹Linkcat› Insig is town though.
[16:54:06] ‹PlayerOa› luls
[16:54:07] ‹RootRanger› But to just ignore the shock lynch still doesn't make sense
[16:54:14] ‹Linkcat› No way he would claim as mafia.
[16:54:18] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe there's a good chance an inactive player is mafia
[16:54:20] ‹ddevans96› even disregarding my scumread on IW, that was a better lynch than iancu
[16:54:27] ‹PlayerOa› good night all
[16:54:29] ‹Calindu› Since the graboid role just makes it so easy to lay low
[16:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc again - the only tie iancu had was shock, who is getting ignored*
[16:54:41] ‹ddevans96› *being talked about 24/7
[16:54:53] ‹RootRanger› he's being talked about because he's our best lynch option
[16:55:17] ‹ddevans96› I don't agree. I think he's town
[16:55:25] ‹Wyand› gnight all
[16:55:31] ‹Calindu› I only opted to lynch ian because I didn't want to lynch you anymore and a no lynch was terrible
[16:55:32] ‹MasterWalks› Alright, who is role claiming next>
[16:55:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@Wyand› Night
[16:55:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› (id really recomment someone doing chatlog before it becomes massive)
[16:56:07] ‹MasterWalks› ill show you massive
[16:56:13] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› oops
[16:56:23] ‹MasterWalks› i meant to draw massive dragon
[16:56:24] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nub
[16:56:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› fail
[16:56:30] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› why iancu and not IW? were you townreading IW? if so, why?
[16:56:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Oh, by the way
[16:56:54] ‹Espithel› I didn't get roleblocked last night.
[16:56:56] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:06] ‹ddevans96› or, conversely - were you scumreading iancu, and if so, why
[16:57:23] ‹MasterWalks› Oh so we are blocking GN but nor espi, THE ONE PERSON I ASKED TO BE BLOCKED??
[16:57:43] ‹Espithel› Woke take:
[16:57:44] ‹Espithel› I'm the GN
[16:57:45] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:49] ‹Espithel› (Joke.)
[16:57:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I believed the only way IW was mafia and lying about guard is if you were mafia as well
[16:57:56] ‹ddevans96› wrinkled brain
[16:58:32] ‹ddevans96› I've outlined why I disagree with that multiple times, so this conversation would get repetitive if I argued
[16:58:35] ‹ddevans96› but regardless, fair
[16:58:36] ‹Calindu› So if I didn't believe you were mafia anymore, I didn't see anything wrong about IW
[16:59:04] ‹Calindu› I don't know if it's wrong or not, but that's how I've seen it and still see it
[16:59:14] ‹ddevans96› it's fair to see it that way
[16:59:35] ‹Calindu› There's just no reason for IW to claim guard if he was mafia, it makes absolutely no sense
[16:59:37] ‹ddevans96› I think Coffee said on d1, just because I disagree doesn't mean I think you're wrong for thinking it
[16:59:42] ‹Espithel› Hey did you know there's two GNs in this game
[16:59:44] ‹Espithel› You've got the GN
[16:59:46] ‹ddevans96› no, it could make sense, in certain scenarios
[16:59:50] ‹Espithel› And then you've got the shitty Green Nymph
[16:59:55] ‹ddevans96› it'd be risky
[17:00:19] ‹ddevans96› but again, I don't think risky is the worst play for mafia in this setup
[17:01:17] ‹ddevans96› mostly, I just find it notable that I voted on IW for a very light reason, and he immediately went to roleblock me - could be legitimately thinking I was sus, yes
[17:01:30] ‹ddevans96› feels like....actually
[17:01:39] ‹ddevans96› wait. let me review some things over dinner
[17:01:42] ‹Linkcat› I think he was still scumreading you from Day 1.
[17:01:46] ‹Linkcat› Sorry
[17:02:11] ‹Calindu› I try to think about it logically and from a game optimal theory perspective, although a lot of things happened that don't really make sense
[17:02:45] ‹Calindu› But I agree that we can't lynch people making mistakes and misusing roles, because we'll get nowhere
[17:03:05] ‹ddevans96› hm. what I was thinking...it felt like IW knew I was right about him being mafia, so he panicked and went for the roleblock
[17:03:20] ‹ddevans96› but...if he was mafia, you would think he would discuss his actions with his team
[17:03:28] ‹ddevans96› if I think he roleblocked me out of panic
[17:03:40] ‹MasterWalks› I agree with dd on insig here.
[17:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would actually be a towntell
[17:03:56] ‹MasterWalks› He did it out of panic as he doesnt think ahead
[17:04:12] ‹MasterWalks› well actually, that part of guarding you wasnt all that bad
[17:04:16] ‹ddevans96› lone town is more likely to use an action out of panic than grouped mafia, I think
[17:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› its the reveal that was a bad play
[17:05:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Were you scumreading IW D1?
[17:05:06] ‹Calindu› I don't remember that
[17:05:08] ‹ddevans96› yes
[17:05:10] ‹ddevans96› very lightly
[17:05:42] ‹ddevans96› it wasn't exactly publicly clear that it was a very light read, however - just regular light
[17:06:10] ‹ddevans96› it was bc he voted on me immediately after Link's post, essentially
[17:06:27] ‹Calindu› Well, if he didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure he would see it as a survival game
[17:06:50] ‹Calindu› So it makes sense to target people that would want you lynched
[17:07:09] ‹Calindu› Because I clearly remember I did that mistake and threw a couple of games when I first started
[17:07:20] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:07:26] ‹ddevans96› nice formatting
[17:07:36] ‹ddevans96› those were the votes immediately before Link moved his vote to me
[17:08:00] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat || MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ || dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 || JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger || shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel || InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo || iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:08:07] ‹ddevans96› separated (sorry for double)
[17:08:22] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[17:08:58] ‹ddevans96› then Link moved to me from Espi, and IW moved to me from himself
[17:09:10] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town, I think that's favorable for both Link and IW
[17:09:16] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is mafia, I think the opposite
[17:09:46] ‹ddevans96› @Espithel thoughts?
[17:09:57] ‹MasterWalks› So when it is revealed that espi is mafia, thats bad for Link and insig?
[17:10:14] ‹MasterWalks› why exactly?
[17:10:31] ‹ddevans96› because Espi was the lead lynch at that time
[17:10:58] ‹MasterWalks› well i think Espi is mafia, but i still moved my vote
[17:11:09] ‹ddevans96› if he was mafia, it would make sense for them to try to direct the vote elsewhere - we would have to answer the question of why Link's vote was on him in the first place, though
[17:11:14] ‹ddevans96› so maybe it says nothing about Link
[17:11:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, for that reason, I don't think it says anything about you either
[17:11:35] ‹Espithel› I think what happened there
[17:11:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root tunnels more than MW and gets really salty
[17:11:44] ‹ddevans96› unless you did a lot of bussing
[17:11:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Makes for good entertainment
[17:11:48] ‹Calindu› I don't think the Espi train mattered at that point
[17:11:58] ‹Linkcat› That's what I was thinking lol. Like, I had to save him from the lead that I put him in?
[17:12:13] ‹ddevans96› it would be mega brain of you
[17:12:21] ‹ddevans96› so I can't discard it - but probably not
[17:13:17] ‹Espithel› Is Linkcat punished me for OwOing
[17:13:32] ‹Espithel› Then actually looked at the posts, then made a serious decision
[17:13:39] ‹ddevans96› the other votes on me were Cal (could mean something if Espi flips mafia, but I still townread), Espi (selfpres, and took off anyways), iancu (dead town), Mobian (did put the chain 'out of reach', seemed sure I would be lynched...hmmmmmmmmmm, maybe him too)
[17:14:11] ‹kaempfer13› ok 11 people who did not roleclaim, 4 of which I think i can softread and 1 of which i know cuz its mine
[17:14:23] ‹ddevans96› if Espi was mafia, I'd want to look at Mobian (and IW, but I've already established that)
[17:14:32] ‹kaempfer13› nobody claim a role before gn is revealed
[17:14:42] ‹MasterWalks› whats your soft reads?
[17:14:58] ‹Linkcat› We should have done that from the start.
[17:15:09] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town - I would be comfortable saying that IW is just nervous town
[17:15:11] ‹Linkcat› Why would you ask him that lmao
[17:15:18] ‹kaempfer13› soft reads for secondary roles are bad to reveal i think
[17:15:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol im addicted to info
[17:15:28] ‹ddevans96› anyways, errands - MAKE SURE THIS GETS LOGGED
[17:15:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root: “role claim is bad”. Also root: “everyone is 50/50 unless GN reveals”. Also Root: “we need to lunch every day”
[17:15:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we should play chatfia rn
[17:15:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root is an entropy main confirmed
[17:15:45] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› also, post your 'no more claims until GN is revealed' in the thread
[17:15:51] ‹ddevans96› so people not here hopefully see it and heed it
[17:16:30] ‹Calindu› I think claims are fine if it's strong info that leads to finding a mafia
[17:16:49] ‹Linkcat› Of course.
[17:16:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No secondary role can actually offer facts to find mafia other than GN
[17:16:56] ‹MasterWalks› I still think GN should reveal if they find 2 mafia
[17:17:09] ‹kaempfer13› 4 are mafia, so that leaves us with a 1/3 for gn to be found
[17:17:17] ‹Linkcat› That's a no-brainer too.
[17:17:20] ‹Calindu› I personally wanted to claim if I found a GN or GN target and saw focus on them in the thread
[17:17:23] ‹kaempfer13› 2 more claims and she will be found for sure
[17:17:38] ‹Calindu› Though I didn't find anything like that
[17:19:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:20:09] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GN has to claim after N4 if they know 3 primary roles
[17:20:40] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I would like you to make a rads list.
[17:20:46] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think they should if they only found town tho
[17:20:47] ‹Linkcat› reads*
[17:20:52] ‹kaempfer13› yh, she wont live beyond that with all those claims
[17:21:25] ‹MasterWalks› well actually i take that
[17:21:27] ‹MasterWalks› back
[17:22:00] ‹Calindu› I don't actually have any read list tbh, though I'd probably put most people as either neutral or lean town read
[17:22:36] ‹Linkcat› Any scumreads?
[17:22:54] ‹MasterWalks› Ill post rn but im not going to cut out all the SOCCER talk
[17:23:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› that which i hunger for in the night is Frozen Panties
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
Okay here is the best TL:DR i can do
coffee role reveals, lots and lots discussion around that. GN was blocked N0 so they are low on info. Lots of talk around shock being detrimental to town. Cal says he cant do scum reads since he doesnt know for a fact who is mafia. dd talks about vote hopping D1 and how that looks bad on Insig and Link. Everyone is pretty much split on whether or not insig is scum or not.
I'm sure im missing a lot here so someone wanna help TL:DR?
Post by: mathman101 on June 02, 2019, 12:42:08 am
Please add my vote onto shock, sorry on mobile.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 12:47:56 am
[14:52:52] ‹MasterWalks› Hol up
[14:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee posted today
[14:53:01] ‹MasterWalks› he shouldnt get modkill
[14:55:33] ‹Coffeeditto› I posted every day
[14:55:41] ‹Coffeeditto› I think it has something to do with my not voting
[14:57:12] ‹MasterWalks› Thats not against rules at all
[14:57:17] ‹Coffeeditto› oh.
[14:57:23] ‹Coffeeditto› maybe I didn't post every day
[14:57:30] ‹MasterWalks› Graboid would be modkilled every game
[14:57:40] ‹Coffeeditto› right
[14:58:36] ‹MasterWalks› I think you missed 2 days but still, you posted today. He cant modkill you mid phase for inactivity. If he was going to modkill it needed to be done last phase
[14:58:55] ‹Coffeeditto› I also have been submitting actions every night
[15:01:55] ‹Espithel› That
[15:02:01] ‹Espithel› That right there is seriously important
[15:03:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nubmachine
[15:04:24] ‹ddevans96› testing deck
[15:04:27] ‹ddevans96› draw no novas for three games
[15:04:30] ‹ddevans96› then draw four novas
[15:04:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› I'm a 2nd iridium warden. I target root the first night, who was targetted by Golden Nymph. Due to this, I think that shock is actually golden nymph, as he softed targeting root n1 a while back. Night 2, I targeted Link and nothing happened. Night 3, I targeted insig and nothing happened, but I got targeted by Adrenaline.
[15:04:41] ‹ddevans96› feelsElements
[15:06:04] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah
[15:06:09] ‹Espithel› OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOY
[15:06:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› woah woah woah
[15:08:36] ‹Espithel› THAT'S SOME SERIOUS INFORMATION RIGHT THERE
[15:10:00] ‹ddevans96› tfw someone who should have been modkilled gives game changing information
[15:10:10] ‹Espithel› Oh BOY
[15:10:25] ‹Espithel› Sub IS a bastard mod
[15:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› tfw the rules on modkilling aren't fleshed out properly
[15:10:32] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:10:57] ‹ddevans96› 8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
[15:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I think it's a dumb rule, tbh, but it's pretty clear
[15:11:59] ‹Espithel› His last post was on day 1
[15:12:03] ‹Espithel› Night 1, Day 2, Night 2
[15:12:06] ‹Espithel› Should've been modkilled.
[15:12:12] ‹ddevans96› yes
[15:13:01] ‹MasterWalks› hooooly shit
[15:13:14] ‹MasterWalks› Thats some juicy stuff right there
[15:13:28] ‹MasterWalks› At least he got it out before getting killed
[15:13:45] ‹ddevans96› I mean...it's out in the open now, nothing we can really do except pretend he said it at the end of night 2
[15:14:50] ‹Coffeeditto› so should I have acted as dead before being declared dead?
[15:15:04] ‹Espithel› What I'm gonna say
[15:15:12] ‹Espithel› Is no one should post in mafia until Sub/Link's sorted this out.
[15:15:15] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› another issue with allowing chat is, is it fine if you chat post within the three phases?
[15:15:30] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[15:15:34] ‹Espithel› DON'T
[15:15:38] ‹Espithel› DON'T MAKE ME THINK ABOUT IT
[15:15:41] ‹ddevans96› I asked Link, and he said the rule was clear, it must be post
[15:15:41] ‹Espithel› NO
[15:15:43] ‹Espithel› PLEASE NO
[15:16:51] ‹ddevans96› (again, I disagree with the rule, I think if you're using abilities/talking in chat you shouldn't be modkilled - but that is the rule)
[15:17:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh wells
[15:18:21] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› lets just not riot too much about it and get too angry xd
[15:18:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› whatever the decision sub/link decide
[15:19:58] ‹Espithel› So, yeah.
[15:20:09] ‹Espithel› I think we shouldn't talk about mafia until Link/Sub's sorted it out. Is that controversial?
[15:20:31] ‹Espithel› Because DC was the one who should've modkilled Coffee
[15:20:45] ‹Espithel› This might have the potential to end the game on the spot.
[15:21:22] ‹Coffeeditto› was the phase shorter than usual?
[15:21:40] ‹ddevans96› no, they've all been two days
[15:23:45] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› honestly, id still just carry on w the mafia, its not a massive thing. yh its in the rules, but theres a bit of common sense too. If sub/link modkill coffee, let that be and just play as normal tbh. just my 2 cents
[15:24:09] ‹RootRanger› Eh, "post" could be interpreted to also mean PM to host
[15:24:19] ‹RootRanger› Guest is shock, right?
[15:24:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› no
[15:24:32] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› its me ww3
[15:24:35] ‹RootRanger› rip lol
[15:24:43] ‹RootRanger› Anyways
[15:24:54] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› dw you dont get to have fun roast battles rn
[15:24:58] ‹RootRanger› Pretty sure this means shock is caught in another lie unless I missed something in the rules
[15:25:34] ‹RootRanger› He claimed he targeted ian night 1, right?
[15:26:08] ‹RootRanger› Or night 0, makes no difference really
[15:26:24] ‹RootRanger› If GN was roleblocked N0 and targeted ian N1, it would be on cooldown N2 (shock says he was roleblocked)
[15:26:37] ‹Coffeeditto› No hold up
[15:26:38] ‹RootRanger› So this is literally the *second* time *this round* that civ information has proven shock was lying
[15:26:47] ‹RootRanger› (unless I'm missing something)
[15:27:07] ‹Coffeeditto› he is claiming he is mind flayer and targeted moerphi n0
[15:27:23] ‹RootRanger› I guess Fate Egg GN is a possibility albeit unlikely
[15:27:32] ‹RootRanger› shockcannon is claiming mind flayer now?
[15:27:42] ‹RootRanger› Ofc
[15:27:46] ‹ddevans96› he claimed Flayer, then GN, then Flayer again
[15:27:53] ‹RootRanger› Lovely
[15:27:55] ‹Espithel› f u c k i n g h e l l
[15:28:16] ‹RootRanger› This is like textbook criteria for me to lynch someone
[15:28:24] ‹RootRanger› 1.) random lies to give cover for mafia to lie
[15:28:29] ‹RootRanger› (or he's mafia)
[15:28:39] ‹RootRanger› 2.) roleblocking civs to benefit mafia (or he's mafia)
[15:28:58] ‹RootRanger› 3.) fake claiming GN to solicit a counterclaim in order to reveal the actual GN to mafia
[15:29:19] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is, all this considered, I'd say it's at best a 50/50 that he's actually mafia. He could just be playing really, really, really poorly
[15:29:48] ‹Coffeeditto› No, because he might be lying again in this way:
[15:30:18] ‹Coffeeditto› he might have revealed he was really golden nymph and all the info he got but then acted like he was lying to protect him from getting killed by the mafia
[15:30:19] ‹Espithel› Honourary Fifth!
[15:30:19] ‹kaempfer13› shocks chanxes of being mafia are always 1/5th it wont change anything about his playstyle
[15:30:29] ‹RootRanger› If we have the mentality that civs can just spew out random lies, we give mafia the same privilege
[15:30:51] ‹MasterWalks› Oh wait, i wasnt supposed to talk until sub and link do huh
[15:30:53] ‹RootRanger› He is benefiting mafia in almost everything he does
[15:31:05] ‹RootRanger› That makes it an obvious choice, even if it's the usual 1/5 odds
[15:31:09] ‹kaempfer13› gn targets people on even nights now
[15:31:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@kaempfer13› slightly more than 1/5. 4/19
[15:31:19] ‹RootRanger› Unless there's someone else who is a way more compelling lynch, and I don't think there is
[15:31:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› I'd prefer it if you didn't
[15:31:21] ‹Espithel› But
[15:31:22] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› :silly:
[15:31:26] ‹Espithel› It's not like I can stop you
[15:31:47] ‹Espithel› If Root's SCREAMING, you can too
[15:31:50] ‹RootRanger› I think it's 4/14 accounting for 4 civs dead, plus me being civ
[15:31:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ya, this mafia nerfed town superhard
[15:32:18] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› doesntchange the odds of being assigned it from the start
[15:32:24] ‹RootRanger› shock hasn't been helping either :/
[15:32:49] ‹RootRanger› Like, the people who want shock alive
[15:32:51] ‹kaempfer13› and you even argued about how probabilities work earlier
[15:33:02] ‹RootRanger› Is someone else really so obviously mafia that it's worth lynching them even when shock is undermining us
[15:33:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Oa!
[15:33:47] ‹PlayerOa› Heyyo
[15:33:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i can talk CL and mafia w you yayyyy
[15:34:02] ‹PlayerOa› I’m drunk as heck tho
[15:34:08] ‹PlayerOa› On my phone
[15:34:25] ‹PlayerOa› Is that w3?
[15:34:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› oh
[15:34:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh
[15:34:37] ‹PlayerOa› Nice
[15:34:57] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› pen or no?
[15:35:09] ‹PlayerOa› No way in hell
[15:35:17] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› o.O
[15:35:27] ‹PlayerOa› You think so?
[15:35:43] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› hand was way out for no reason
[15:35:46] ‹PlayerOa› Well i’m biased as i wanted spurs to win
[15:35:56] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i wanted spurs to win too ):
[15:36:02] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› i think they shouldnt have played kane
[15:36:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› they work much better without him
[15:36:15] ‹PlayerOa› But my perception is that they make fouls of hands way too ofteb
[15:36:22] ‹PlayerOa› Well
[15:36:25] ‹PlayerOa› Hard to tell
[15:36:29] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› get kane off the bench if need be
[15:36:31] ‹PlayerOa› Kane is too good not to play
[15:36:42] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› play the team that beat man city, and ajax
[15:37:03] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› if so shocks an idiot once more; eor are refunded on failure, so gn should have targeted someone n1
[15:37:18] ‹kaempfer13› but ofc shock isnt gn
[15:37:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› for some reason, i dont rate kane that much
[15:37:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› he never delivers big goals or outstanding goals
[15:38:00] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› thoughts on a shock lynch?
[15:38:40] ‹kaempfer13› id like to do better than 25% if possible
[15:39:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› If we lynch shock, thats a lot of info that clears up tbh
[15:40:18] ‹MasterWalks› but we cant afford another town lynch this late
[15:40:38] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› did you have anyone in mind?
[15:40:44] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› really? with so many lies it proofs nothing to know his alignment
[15:41:36] ‹RootRanger› The same could be said for anybody else - that we can't afford a town lynch and they could be town
[15:41:41] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› i wanted to play with some variants of townreads on the lynchlog
[15:42:19] ‹kaempfer13› and see if someone looks scummy through those votes
[15:42:22] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› What's your opinion of Shockcannon trying to create "toxic association" if he was scum?
[15:42:44] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› fair enough
[15:42:45] ‹Espithel› He thinks Me, Walks, and I think Calindu are town.
[15:42:58] ‹Espithel› Would him trying to set up some kind of misguided fall be a possibility?
[15:43:12] ‹kaempfer13› just quote my post use notepad++s replace all to color names green and see if it adds up
[15:43:16] ‹RootRanger› As in, mafia saying "these x people are town", getting lynched, then hoping civs lynch all the people who mentioned?
[15:44:03] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:44:08] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› I mean, yeah
[15:44:23] ‹RootRanger› But he's been spewing so much randomness I think it would just all get ignored
[15:44:50] ‹Espithel› There's too much of it for that kind of toxic association?
[15:44:51] ‹RootRanger› If shock turns up mafia, I wouldn't become any more or less suspicious of the people on his list
[15:44:53] ‹Espithel› Alright.
[15:44:57] ‹kaempfer13› sjock also believes me town
[15:45:12] ‹kaempfer13› one of the few consistent claims of his actually
[15:45:21] ‹RootRanger› He said ian was 100% mafia then later said he was 100% civ
[15:45:31] ‹RootRanger› He's chaos. Nothing more, nothing less
[15:45:39] ‹RootRanger› Not strategic chaos, not beneficial chaos, just chaos
[15:45:50] ‹RootRanger› Not intelligent chaos, not calculated chaos...
[15:50:43] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› I learned that removing noobs is the lowest priority when scumreading
[15:51:25] ‹RootRanger› Wdym?
[15:51:36] ‹RootRanger› So just let shock get away with whatever he wants because he's a noob?
[15:51:39] ‹kaempfer13› in fact a mafia member is less likely to do stupid stuff in public since they have a team making sure they dont say anything too scummy
[15:52:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[15:52:13] ‹RootRanger› Mafia shock wouldn't get hindered by his team
[15:52:28] ‹kaempfer13› although shock gets a special pass there, since being destructive to town was guaranteed from the start
[15:52:40] ‹RootRanger› lol
[15:52:49] ‹kaempfer13› so he would be pretty valuable to mafia as he cant be read
[15:52:57] ‹RootRanger› You see how lynching shock mitigates our worst-case scenario, right
[15:53:18] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch someone useful and they're civ, it sucks. If we lynch shock and their civ, we haven't really lost anything
[15:53:23] ‹RootRanger› and he's civ*
[15:56:07] ‹Wyand›
[15:58:24] ‹kaempfer13› if we wanted to eliminate chaos we should have killed shock right at the start
[15:58:29] ‹MasterWalks› espithel is insig if insig was mean
[15:59:16] ‹kaempfer13› by now if we cant get any better reads we will lose
[15:59:37] ‹Espithel› Lynch or Lose is on day 5, iirc.
[15:59:42] ‹kaempfer13› shock will be impossible to read so guaranteed worse than 25%
[15:59:50] ‹RootRanger› I was down for an early shock lynch
[16:00:05] ‹RootRanger› Right from the gate when he was randomly roleblocking people
[16:00:11] ‹kaempfer13› is there really nothing better we can get?
[16:00:20] ‹RootRanger› It's just gotten worse
[16:00:33] ‹RootRanger› The fake GN claim was a serious issue imo
[16:00:50] ‹RootRanger› If the actual GN had counterclaimed, it would have been a huge hit to us
[16:01:02] ‹Espithel› Linkcat is so done
[16:01:02] ‹RootRanger› Fortunately they didn't, but that doesn't take away from what shock was trying to do
[16:01:07] ‹Espithel› Jesus christ
[16:01:18] ‹kaempfer13› meh it was obvious to me it was a hoax
[16:01:38] ‹kaempfer13› before cals claim that is
[16:02:39] ‹RootRanger› Even so
[16:02:47] ‹RootRanger› His fake GN claim caused 2 people to make actual claims
[16:02:53] ‹RootRanger› (Calin and Coffee)
[16:03:06] ‹RootRanger› narrows down the list, for mafia
[16:03:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› dont you dare talk about mafia if you dont sign in
[16:03:41] ‹RootRanger› How many people have yet to role claim? 10? Less? A few of whom are probably mafia
[16:03:59] ‹RootRanger› Means they'll likely be able to snipe GN in the next few nights
[16:04:59] ‹kaempfer13› 6 claims are enough for magia
[16:05:15] ‹Espithel› Do you think any of the mafia have claimed?
[16:05:22] ‹RootRanger› In the worst case
[16:05:31] ‹Espithel› If they have a "useless" role, there doesn't seem to be any harm in it.
[16:05:37] ‹RootRanger› 15 players and 6 have claimed, another 4 are mafia, means GN is narrowed down to 5 people
[16:05:45] ‹RootRanger› That's the harm in claiming a useless role
[16:05:48] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Espithel› if so likely fake
[16:05:52] ‹RootRanger› Number of potential GNs is cut in half
[16:06:06] ‹Espithel› ‹@kaempfer13› Yeah, given the roles, it's probably fake
[16:06:13] ‹Espithel› (If one of them has claimed)
[16:06:26] ‹Espithel› But if it was something like, say, Green Nymph? That's really easy to claim safely.
[16:06:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Reads list. Now.
[16:06:36] ‹RootRanger› The sad thing is that half of those claims were incited by shock
[16:06:41] ‹RootRanger› A fact everyone seems to be overlooking
[16:06:57] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› am I not dead?
[16:07:25] ‹ddevans96› I mean, no point killing you now, lol
[16:07:40] ‹Linkcat› I can't rule on that since I'm playing.
[16:07:56] ‹RootRanger› Agreed, bit of a conflict of interest
[16:08:11] ‹Coffeeditto› then I would like to say that I have no need to out a reads list
[16:08:14] ‹Linkcat› Start being active and it won't be a problem.
[16:08:29] ‹Coffeeditto› see that's where this is kinda lame
[16:08:30] ‹Linkcat› Damnit Coffee.
[16:08:32] ‹ddevans96› ‹@RootRanger› do you have anything else of note right now other than 'shock bad'?
[16:08:34] ‹Espithel› Yeah. We shouldn't really be discussing this until Sub clears up the coffee issue
[16:08:46] ‹Espithel› But we are!
[16:08:50] ‹Coffeeditto› :))
[16:08:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› That's a bit of an oversimplification
[16:09:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› You want to lynch me because MW is tunnelling on me.
[16:09:11] ‹Coffeeditto› I know my 5th amendment rights
[16:09:12] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yes, but also no
[16:09:16] ‹MasterWalks› we just got a lot of heavy info. Of course we are going to talk about it, and they cant really stop us
[16:09:34] ‹RootRanger› To me it's a super clear choice when one player is doing more to screw over the civs than anybody else
[16:09:39] ‹Linkcat› I don't expect Root to give us anything before a few more flips.
[16:09:51] ‹RootRanger› That is far more powerful than reading excessively into whatever random soft info
[16:10:04] ‹Espithel› You also want to lynch Shock because he's a bad town who's helping the mafia.
[16:10:05] ‹Guest-DejaVu-182e8› Jesus, people still play this game?
[16:10:09] ‹Espithel› I-is like
[16:10:15] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-DejaVu-182e8› yep
[16:10:22] ‹Espithel› Is Walk being supertunnel not bad town?
[16:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› it might be bad town but its not bad for town
[16:10:39] ‹RootRanger› I actually retract wanting to lynch Espi - had originally thought MW was GN who targeted Espi N1 but this was proven otherwise
[16:10:40] ‹Linkcat› That guest name is really fitting lol.
[16:10:49] ‹RootRanger› I think the strongest town right now is Calindu
[16:10:56] ‹kaempfer13› if we wait for sub to do anything we need an extension
[16:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Seen that exact sentence at least a few times.
[16:11:03] ‹ddevans96› we've also acknowledged MW and IW as 'bad town' - and by we, I mean Link did in his reads list, and no one disagrees
[16:11:03] ‹RootRanger› In that he's been active, coherent, and provided useful information
[16:11:28] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› My argument here is nascent, but I swear there's a contradiction there
[16:11:29] ‹ddevans96› it's a different kind of 'bad town' than what shock's doing
[16:11:33] ‹kaempfer13› so much stuff to do before settling for a lynch
[16:11:35] ‹Espithel› -Lynch shock because he damages town
[16:11:38] ‹RootRanger› "bad town" is such a contradiction to me - if someone is playing in the best interests of mafia, it's a clear lynch unless it's lynch-or-die
[16:11:41] ‹Espithel› -MW is damaging town by tunnelling me constantly
[16:11:58] ‹Espithel› -Therefore, if not shock, Espi? ?????????????????????????????
[16:12:04] ‹Espithel› Doesn't matter as he's retracted it, but
[16:12:04] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› we have multiple of those
[16:12:05] ‹RootRanger› Ok sure, if you want though, if we throw out MW/IW/shock and just give them a free pass
[16:12:14] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@RootRanger› shock, mw insig
[16:12:18] ‹RootRanger› ‹@kaempfer13› Some worse than others, though
[16:12:22] ‹ddevans96› different kind of 'bad town', againbn
[16:12:32] ‹ddevans96› again* - and I should note that term is in quotes bc I hate it lol
[16:12:35] ‹kaempfer13› me for a while too, but I think i got better
[16:12:36] ‹RootRanger› shock is an order of magnitude more harmful
[16:12:47] ‹Espithel› He definitely is.
[16:12:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› i honestly dont see how tunneling you is bad for town. Look at votes rn and tell me if anyone is actually listening to me
[16:13:08] ‹Linkcat› You can't really inactivity modkill in the middle of a phase. If he hasn't been declared dead by the host then he's alive.
[16:13:11] ‹MasterWalks› no one.
[16:13:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Because it makes any actual argument that I'm scummy a lot worse.
[16:13:25] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› noone listening to input from a town is bad for town
[16:13:40] ‹MasterWalks› Well thats not my fault
[16:13:41] ‹Espithel› You constantly tunnelling me makes it a lot harder to lynch me.
[16:13:42] ‹kaempfer13› and you are losing credibility with each repition
[16:13:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@RootRanger› Why would I ever lynch someone who I believe is town?
[16:14:06] ‹RootRanger› Because you believe everyone is town
[16:14:15] ‹MasterWalks› I lost credibility a long time ago. I can actually show you the exact post
[16:14:17] ‹RootRanger› If "believe is town" means ">50% chance"
[16:14:26] ‹Linkcat› No I don't.
[16:14:33] ‹RootRanger› Then not believing someone is town is an extremely bold claim
[16:14:45] ‹RootRanger› I don't think anyone except GN has info to think that someone is more likely mafia than not
[16:15:03] ‹RootRanger› I think they'd be wrong more often than not simply because there are way more civs than mafia and people aren't as smart as they think they are
[16:15:09] ‹Linkcat› No, believe is town means 90%
[16:15:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Thing is right, you can regain it.
[16:15:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:15:35] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Linkcat› In that case, I think you'd be wrong to believe shock is town
[16:15:43] ‹MasterWalks› thats when i lost credibility, although i still find that post hilarious
[16:15:44] ‹Linkcat› What if I am as smart as I think I am?
[16:15:51] ‹RootRanger› Playing poorly does not mean town. Playing in the best interests of mafia definitely doesn't
[16:16:58] ‹ddevans96› also - in regards to MW's brand of 'bad town' and why I'm not ignoring it the way people are shock - keep in mind I literally called MW 'shock lite' earlier in the game
[16:17:19] ‹MasterWalks› Im still offended by that
[16:17:31] ‹RootRanger› So idk about Espi anymore
[16:17:40] ‹RootRanger› I'd thought there was a decent chance MW was GN who investigated Espi N0
[16:17:46] ‹RootRanger› But Coffee's info disproved that
[16:17:55] • Espithel pants
[16:17:58] ‹ddevans96› why would you be offended?
[16:18:02] ‹Espithel› I'M NEVER GOING TO POST THE NICE, CLEAN, EDITED CHATLOG
[16:18:07] ‹ddevans96› my opinion of shock does not match everyone else's
[16:18:09] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA**
[16:18:38] ‹RootRanger› There are...interesting interactions though
[16:19:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› end of day timer?
[16:19:22] ‹ddevans96› like 18h from now
[16:19:25] ‹ddevans96› 19h really
[16:19:27] ‹RootRanger› MW goes after Espi, Link goes after dd, drawing away from Espi. dd then joins votes with MW
[16:19:50] ‹RootRanger› If we're giving a free pass to all the "bad towns" then I think this is something to go off of
[16:20:00] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Linkcat› Hey, are you allowed to edit OP to add in the phase link to this phase?
[16:20:14] ‹Linkcat› No
[16:20:15] ‹MasterWalks› DubC most likely wont be on for another 12 hours
[16:20:18] ‹MasterWalks› damn
[16:20:37] ‹ddevans96› the only actual 'bad town' is shock
[16:20:46] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:20:47] ‹RootRanger› Looking back into D1
[16:20:55] ‹RootRanger› There was clearly pressure being drawn away from Espi
[16:20:56] ‹Espithel› I'M NOT ACTUALLY SCREAMING I JUST NEED TO SHOUT IN ALLCAPS TO CALM MY NERVES
[16:21:07] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› 18 hours
[16:21:21] ‹RootRanger› Most strongly from Linkcat but also from kaempfer and moehrpi, among the people who are alive
[16:21:33] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why did you Ward me?
[16:22:15] ‹RootRanger› Lynching Espi would give info at least.
[16:22:21] ‹RootRanger› There are worse lynches
[16:22:31] ‹ddevans96› yes, I'm of the belief that Espi is the best information lynch
[16:22:36] ‹ddevans96› better than Link and IW, at the moment
[16:22:42] ‹ddevans96› (which are my other two mafia leans)
[16:22:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› because of this post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[16:23:05] ‹MasterWalks› I dont believe IW is mafia nor will he give info UNLESS he lied
[16:23:06] ‹RootRanger› Thing is
[16:23:16] ‹MasterWalks› but i dont hink insig has the actual ability to lie
[16:23:24] ‹RootRanger› We could be totally wrong about all of this - Espi could be civ, or Espi could be mafia but all the people who drew votes away from him be civ
[16:23:35] ‹RootRanger› And our GN will *still* get roleblocked next round by shock or someone else
[16:23:36] ‹Wyand›
[16:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much
[16:24:25] ‹Espithel› We have 2 shots before lynch or die.
[16:24:42] ‹RootRanger› I'm ok with lynching shock in those circumstances
[16:24:44] ‹Coffeeditto› untrue
[16:24:57] ‹Coffeeditto› extenuating circumstances could alter those
[16:25:25] ‹Coffeeditto› it's safest to play assuming we have 1, as I could die from poison due to adrenaline or someone may already be poisined who is afk
[16:26:15] ‹Espithel› I am 80% happy saying that Poison isn't a role in this game.
[16:26:20] ‹Calindu› Can anyone provide a quick summary since the last chat log was posted?
[16:26:25] ‹Espithel› But, yes.
[16:26:39] ‹RootRanger› Ok the MW/dd vote pattern is a bit weird at this point
[16:26:40] ‹Espithel› You mean the one I *just* posted or
[16:26:53] ‹RootRanger› I think one would likely tell us info about the other
[16:27:31] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you. I meant toadfish's poison
[16:27:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› in other news, this guys did a better magic audition at agt than shin lim:
[16:27:43] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› our GN got roleblocked N0 and everyone is completely ok with people like shock blind roleblocking
[16:28:03] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› normal arguments between me and linkcat
[16:28:03] ‹ddevans96› dunno how you can read into my votes when I spend two days defending myself, but sure
[16:28:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› I also meant toadfish's poison
[16:28:34] ‹RootRanger› I'm just going straight from the logs
[16:28:35] ‹ddevans96› no, most people actually advised against blind roleblocking
[16:28:51] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@RootRanger› voting pattern ?
[16:28:59] ‹Calindu› I'm conflicted about shock, on some end a lot of people read him as town, but at the same time, we caught him in multiple lies that forced random roleclaims
[16:29:01] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› and have no interest in lynching people who do it anyways
[16:29:07] ‹RootRanger› actions speak louder than words
[16:29:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› A voting pattern is how you've changed votes.
[16:29:30] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Calindu› if a lot of people read him as town, it's all the more useful to lynch him, because then if he's mafia you have info on all the people who defended him
[16:29:34] ‹Espithel› So, for example. Your voting pattern tends to be "Lynch Espithel, follow dd/link"
[16:29:52] ‹RootRanger› ‹@MasterWalks› That you two are oftentimes on the same side
[16:29:53] ‹Espithel› This is a gross simplification
[16:29:58] ‹MasterWalks› because they have E X P E R I A N C E
[16:29:59] ‹ddevans96› sorry my philosophy is different than yours
[16:30:09] ‹Espithel› I have E X P E R I E N C E
[16:30:16] ‹ddevans96› I have no interesting in lynching my strongest town read
[16:30:24] ‹ddevans96› regardless of how erratic their play has been
[16:30:58] ‹RootRanger› weird person to pick for your strongest town read
[16:31:07] ‹ddevans96› I mean, it's Link's too
[16:31:10] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Root wants to lynch you instead of MW because he uses "petty lynches" as the deciding factor between two different people to reduce bias.
[16:31:11] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:31:14] ‹Linkcat› Guys, if shock is mine and dd's strongest townread, that dude's town lol.
[16:31:41] ‹MasterWalks› and dd is an orchestrater. Thats why i vote where he votes
[16:31:47] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Espithel› The lynch on MW would be the better play
[16:31:54] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E D O R C H E S T R A T O R
[16:31:55] ‹Calindu› ‹@RootRanger› I agree, I'm not moving my vote from shock, if he's town, I still think it's not that bad of a lynch
[16:32:08] ‹Espithel› ‹@RootRanger› I'm meming on a post he made earlier
[16:32:10] ‹Linkcat› Orchestrating is not a thing lmao
[16:32:21] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› I love that
[16:32:22] ‹Linkcat› It's called a push.
[16:32:49] ‹MasterWalks› what is OMGUS?
[16:32:52] ‹ddevans96› and also - I think IW's roleblock on me was just as bad/suspicious as any roleblock shock has (allegedly) done
[16:32:55] ‹Espithel› OH MY GOD YOU SUCK
[16:32:57] ‹ddevans96› I maintain that
[16:33:01] ‹Espithel› Or, voting on people who don't like you
[16:33:15] ‹Espithel› Usually meaning voting on people who vote on you
[16:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› i love that too tbh
[16:33:18] ‹Espithel› Sort of like revenge
[16:33:21] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Yes but shock has done more than just roleblock
[16:33:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› this mafia is crazy. people are crazy. people are stupid. its so fun. im missing out. im jealous.
[16:33:33] ‹Calindu› Why would IW claim about guarding dd if he's mafia?
[16:33:36] ‹RootRanger› He solicited a GN counterclaim - if he'd succeeded it would have completely screwed us over
[16:33:38] ‹Espithel› Hey, given all the crazy shit Shock's managed to do
[16:33:50] ‹Espithel› I guess he *is* an e x p e r i e n c e d o r c h e s t r a t o r
[16:34:04] ‹Espithel› An orchestrator of chaos
[16:34:08] ‹Espithel› aha funnyjokeHELPME
[16:35:02] ‹MasterWalks› Here is the thing, I know insig fairly well. I talk to him quite a bit. His role claim and stuff is literally something he didnt think all the way through. He is a smart kid but he doesn think ahead very well
[16:35:04] ‹Calindu› If our GN was online at that point and didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure they would counterclaim
[16:35:05] ‹ddevans96› GN counterclaiming would have been bad, but it wouldn't have lost the game
[16:35:21] ‹MasterWalks› Look at last mafia. Look at his War bids.
[16:37:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Really depends on whether shock is mafia or not, if he's mafia, it's not that bad, but if he's town and forced a GN counterclaim, I don't see us winning anymore from there
[16:37:04] ‹Linkcat› So you're saying Insig is a dumbass.
[16:37:15] ‹MasterWalks› no
[16:37:23] ‹MasterWalks› i said he is a smart kid
[16:37:27] ‹MasterWalks› just a bad planner
[16:37:56] ‹ddevans96› I just don't agree. I've seen games won with a seer/etc revealing early. it's risky, but we'd at least know shock is mafia, and get enough information from the GN to point to a second
[16:38:04] ‹ddevans96› to be clear: a GN counterclaim would have been very bad
[16:38:10] ‹ddevans96› just...not apocalpytic
[16:38:28] ‹Calindu› That's the thing, if shock is mafia and forcing a GN counterclaim, it's not game losing
[16:38:40] ‹RootRanger› shock is civ because he hasn't instigated an apocalypse that caused us to lose
[16:38:44] ‹Calindu› But if he's town and doing that, we just lose
[16:38:45] ‹RootRanger› yeet
[16:38:56] ‹ddevans96› that has nothing to do with my town read
[16:39:20] ‹Espithel› If shock was mafia
[16:39:24] ‹Espithel› Why would he force a GN counterclaim?
[16:39:34] ‹Espithel› That would practically require giant, humoungous testicles
[16:39:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ‹@Espithel› are you typing up the part 2
[16:39:50] ‹ddevans96› which shock has shown he has. or, he's GN
[16:39:52] ‹ddevans96› *shrug*
[16:40:13] ‹MasterWalks› big balled shock
[16:40:17] ‹Espithel› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[16:40:19] • Espithel coughs
[16:40:22] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[16:40:29] ‹ddevans96› unless you think the only reason shock claimed GN is because I said I suspected he was GN
[16:40:29] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel›
[16:40:36] ‹Coffeeditto› you pinged me
[16:40:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› You know
[16:40:56] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:58] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:40:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› stop right there
[16:41:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[16:41:03] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I literally said why I claimed GN in my info dump
[16:41:05] ‹ddevans96› still think him being GN or mafia is a more likely scenario than him being literally anything else
[16:41:06] ‹Espithel› Okay.
[16:41:09] ‹Espithel› I clearly need to calm down.
[16:41:12] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› But I guess no one reads posts anymore
[16:41:18] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› just part of your GN cover
[16:41:47] ‹Linkcat› I believe he is Flayer.
[16:41:52] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure why shock would ever claim GN like that, I don't even know what would happen this round if I didn't find an inconsistency with my rule
[16:41:53] ‹ddevans96› also - you misunderstood my sentence
[16:42:08] ‹ddevans96› because he thinks he knows the game better than anyone else
[16:42:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have a fun game to play
[16:42:22] ‹ddevans96› or, if nothing else, he's acting like he thinks that
[16:42:40] ‹RootRanger› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› why would anyone read your posts
[16:42:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No one uses any abilities or talks at all and then we play the RNG game between GN Zand mafia
[16:43:14] ‹RootRanger› Civs did fine for 60+ mafias before shock came here to save the day
[16:43:16] ‹ddevans96› he's literally outright said that his posts are where he's actually playing the game
[16:43:30] ‹Calindu› ‹@Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I have used my abilities every single night and have been trying to discuss as much as possible, this is definitely not GN vs mafia
[16:43:46] ‹ddevans96› civs won by you abusing broken rulesets like ten mafias in a row
[16:43:47] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› ‹@Calindu› but that’s what root wants
[16:43:52] ‹ddevans96› not by anyone else's skill
[16:43:55] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› And roots been winning for 60+ mafia
[16:44:09] ‹ddevans96› feels like most other games, mafia won. forum mafia favors the mafia team
[16:44:15] ‹Wyand›
[16:44:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› wait what, shock has played 10 mafis here? since when?
[16:44:39] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has definitely been favored in the past in the absence of a broken setup.
[16:44:56] ‹Linkcat› Mafia has won because of some unbalanced setups too, though.
[16:44:58] ‹ddevans96› context clues, vulture
[16:44:59] ‹Calindu› Maybe I'm biased, but I'd rather trust Root than the person who forced me to info dump
[16:45:10] ‹RootRanger› Also
[16:45:17] ‹Linkcat› Or at least terrible mechanics that turned over the result.
[16:45:17] ‹ddevans96› he didn't force you to do anything. you made that decision
[16:45:29] ‹RootRanger› Kuro's mafia had 183 pages of content, all without shock forcing people to roleclaim
[16:45:48] ‹ddevans96› you fell for bait. like people are saying 'just ignore shock' and then...don't ignore shock
[16:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses
[16:46:00] ‹ddevans96› pick one side of the fence. lean into his style like I am, or completely ignore him
[16:46:01] ‹RootRanger› You were the one lynching him ddevans
[16:46:04] ‹Linkcat› That game was won based off of reads, not mechanics.
[16:46:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I made that decision, because I didn't want Linkcat lynched based on a lie, and I also didn't want a GN counterclaim
[16:46:27] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Poch to stay? Why would he leave?
[16:46:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› It's hard to ignore something like "I am GN, Linkcat is mafia"
[16:46:40] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› to win trophies XD
[16:46:46] ‹ddevans96› Linkcat wasn't getting lynched based on a lie, it was the first four hours of the phase
[16:46:51] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› like if a big club comes calling
[16:46:58] ‹ddevans96› you could have done it subtlety, or you could have waited
[16:47:00] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but there isnt a big club coming calling anymore
[16:47:05] ‹PlayerOa› Well to who
[16:47:11] ‹Calindu› Because it didn't look like the bs post you normally see, it was a claim
[16:47:18] ‹PlayerOa› Man utd won't come for him atm anyway
[16:47:19] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:23:52] ‹RootRanger› If we lynch shock and we're wrong, at least we stop getting roleblocked so much < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no
[16:47:23] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh, i realised that hes got no where to go
[16:47:30] ‹PlayerOa› yep
[16:47:30] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› all the big clubs have sorted their managers now
[16:47:40] ‹PlayerOa› Well juve
[16:47:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› id have said juve but seems like they got sarri
[16:47:50] ‹PlayerOa› But guess they won't go for poch
[16:47:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I claimed before you voted though
[16:48:06] ‹ddevans96› yes. as I just said
[16:48:10] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah heard some talk about sarri-> juve
[16:48:15] ‹RootRanger› 1.) shock tries to lynch linkcat under false pretenses
[16:48:21] ‹ddevans96› uh, wrong copy-paste, sorry
[16:48:24] ‹RootRanger› 2.) Calindu disproves those pretenses
[16:48:36] ‹RootRanger› 3.) ddevans falls for them anyways?
[16:48:37] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-01 17:45:54] ‹RootRanger› Calindu was forced because Linkcat was getting lynched under false pretenses < when Cal claimed, my vote was not on Link, no*
[16:48:41] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› did you see utd signed an ajax player???
[16:48:48] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› but it wasnt de ligt XD
[16:48:51] ‹RootRanger› ‹@ddevans96› Aye fair I missed that bit
[16:48:52] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› a 16 yo ):
[16:48:55] ‹ddevans96› didn't fall for anything
[16:49:01] ‹PlayerOa› Yeah noticed lol
[16:49:02] ‹Espithel› Okay, guys
[16:49:04] ‹Espithel› I can't
[16:49:10] ‹Espithel› Someone else will have to do chatlog
[16:49:11] ‹Espithel› Sorry
[16:49:15] ‹Espithel› My brain is dying
[16:49:20] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Might be a good player, never heard of him though :sillyspin:
[16:49:31] ‹Calindu› I truly believe Linkcat would get lynched if I didn't roleclaim, and if Linkcat flips town, we lose
[16:49:34] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› yh no idea who he is, oh well lets see
[16:49:49] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› still need de ligt somehow, and a midfielder, and a striker, and a RB ):
[16:49:50] ‹ddevans96› the theory that led me to vote for Link, is that Link got his mafia buddy to target him with Anubis, and frame me for it if he turned scummy/flipped mafia
[16:49:55] ‹PlayerOa› Rip
[16:50:03] ‹Linkcat› So who's down to lynch math?
[16:50:05] ‹PlayerOa› Exiting summer ahead of us though
[16:50:12] ‹Espithel› Why lynch math?
[16:50:13] ‹Linkcat› Lol
[16:50:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait, why math?
[16:50:21] ‹Calindu› ‹@Linkcat› Inactivity lynch?
[16:50:22] ‹Espithel› The mafia's just gonna NK him anyway
[16:50:27] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› if we sign anyone that is q.q
[16:50:37] ‹Linkcat› If I had an Anubis teammate, you can bet your ass I would have had them target me Night 0.
[16:50:44] ‹ddevans96› is that weak? sure. do we have anything else to go on? not really, because we lynched iancu, who had no connections other than shock, who everyone claims to want to ignore and lynch but doesn't, instead of IW, with connections to me and Cal
[16:50:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Lol, daniel james at least
[16:50:51] ‹PlayerOa› no world beater tho
[16:50:58] ‹RootRanger› Hm
[16:50:58] ‹Linkcat› Ain't no way I would be getting checked after not playing for two years.
[16:51:00] ‹RootRanger› It's something
[16:51:10] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we are literally linked to every player out there
[16:51:11] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› even ronaldo
[16:51:14] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› ugh
[16:51:18] ‹ddevans96› I mean, yeah, which is why I'm not -pushing- it, per se
[16:51:33] ‹MasterWalks› lets just lynch espi so i can get out of this tunnel
[16:51:43] ‹ddevans96› but it was enough for me to want to pressure you
[16:51:47] ‹Linkcat› You know, I was happy when I thought you targeted me, and then you threw a vote on me lol.
[16:52:10] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› just have to wait and see I guess
[16:52:16] ‹ddevans96› another reason why - you were the one who pushed the lynch on me d1, which pretty much derailed town for two days (leading to the above scenario of us lynching iancu)
[16:52:24] ‹ddevans96› it's not a strong scumread, don't get me wrong
[16:52:25] ‹PlayerOa› I should definitely go sleep now though
[16:52:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@PlayerOa› The final was a whole new level of boring
[16:52:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I think he's using his known recent inactivity as a cover.
[16:52:37] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› cya~
[16:52:43] ‹RootRanger› It's one of the better scumreads I've seen fwiw
[16:52:47] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Calindu› Yeah I agree
[16:52:56] ‹Linkcat› The iancu lynch was ass.
[16:52:56] ‹Wyand› ‹@Calindu› gnight, dream with Unstable Gases :D
[16:53:00] ‹Linkcat› So was the JCJ lynch.
[16:53:01] ‹RootRanger› I agree with you somewhat on Link but still think you're missing the picture on shock
[16:53:09] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› :(
[16:53:09] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› most exciting bit was the girl running on the pitch
[16:53:23] ‹Linkcat› You lynched two guys who didn't do anything scummy and weren't even around to defend themselves.
[16:53:26] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› imagine she injured salah xd
[16:53:31] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Guest-Vulture-4afa1› Hahah won't disagree with that
[16:53:40] ‹Linkcat› And who had little interaction with others so we didn't even get much info.
[16:53:40] ‹Wyand› ‹@PlayerOa› sorry, I couldn't miss this one :) I will surely dream with Mitos :D
[16:53:53] ‹ddevans96› so we should have lynched IW, as I said
[16:53:55] ‹RootRanger› Idk, if shock turns Civ I'm open to the Link lynch after depending on what info turns up
[16:53:57] ‹Linkcat› And good players, too.
[16:54:05] ‹PlayerOa› ‹@Wyand› lulx
[16:54:05] ‹Linkcat› Insig is town though.
[16:54:06] ‹PlayerOa› luls
[16:54:07] ‹RootRanger› But to just ignore the shock lynch still doesn't make sense
[16:54:14] ‹Linkcat› No way he would claim as mafia.
[16:54:18] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe there's a good chance an inactive player is mafia
[16:54:20] ‹ddevans96› even disregarding my scumread on IW, that was a better lynch than iancu
[16:54:27] ‹PlayerOa› good night all
[16:54:29] ‹Calindu› Since the graboid role just makes it so easy to lay low
[16:54:37] ‹ddevans96› bc again - the only tie iancu had was shock, who is getting ignored*
[16:54:41] ‹ddevans96› *being talked about 24/7
[16:54:53] ‹RootRanger› he's being talked about because he's our best lynch option
[16:55:17] ‹ddevans96› I don't agree. I think he's town
[16:55:25] ‹Wyand› gnight all
[16:55:31] ‹Calindu› I only opted to lynch ian because I didn't want to lynch you anymore and a no lynch was terrible
[16:55:32] ‹MasterWalks› Alright, who is role claiming next>
[16:55:36] ‹Calindu› ‹@Wyand› Night
[16:55:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› (id really recomment someone doing chatlog before it becomes massive)
[16:56:07] ‹MasterWalks› ill show you massive
[16:56:13] ‹MasterWalks›
[16:56:17] ‹MasterWalks› oops
[16:56:23] ‹MasterWalks› i meant to draw massive dragon
[16:56:24] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› nub
[16:56:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› fail
[16:56:30] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› why iancu and not IW? were you townreading IW? if so, why?
[16:56:48] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Oh, by the way
[16:56:54] ‹Espithel› I didn't get roleblocked last night.
[16:56:56] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:06] ‹ddevans96› or, conversely - were you scumreading iancu, and if so, why
[16:57:23] ‹MasterWalks› Oh so we are blocking GN but nor espi, THE ONE PERSON I ASKED TO BE BLOCKED??
[16:57:43] ‹Espithel› Woke take:
[16:57:44] ‹Espithel› I'm the GN
[16:57:45] ‹Espithel› :^)
[16:57:49] ‹Espithel› (Joke.)
[16:57:51] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› I believed the only way IW was mafia and lying about guard is if you were mafia as well
[16:57:56] ‹ddevans96› wrinkled brain
[16:58:32] ‹ddevans96› I've outlined why I disagree with that multiple times, so this conversation would get repetitive if I argued
[16:58:35] ‹ddevans96› but regardless, fair
[16:58:36] ‹Calindu› So if I didn't believe you were mafia anymore, I didn't see anything wrong about IW
[16:59:04] ‹Calindu› I don't know if it's wrong or not, but that's how I've seen it and still see it
[16:59:14] ‹ddevans96› it's fair to see it that way
[16:59:35] ‹Calindu› There's just no reason for IW to claim guard if he was mafia, it makes absolutely no sense
[16:59:37] ‹ddevans96› I think Coffee said on d1, just because I disagree doesn't mean I think you're wrong for thinking it
[16:59:42] ‹Espithel› Hey did you know there's two GNs in this game
[16:59:44] ‹Espithel› You've got the GN
[16:59:46] ‹ddevans96› no, it could make sense, in certain scenarios
[16:59:50] ‹Espithel› And then you've got the shitty Green Nymph
[16:59:55] ‹ddevans96› it'd be risky
[17:00:19] ‹ddevans96› but again, I don't think risky is the worst play for mafia in this setup
[17:01:17] ‹ddevans96› mostly, I just find it notable that I voted on IW for a very light reason, and he immediately went to roleblock me - could be legitimately thinking I was sus, yes
[17:01:30] ‹ddevans96› feels like....actually
[17:01:39] ‹ddevans96› wait. let me review some things over dinner
[17:01:42] ‹Linkcat› I think he was still scumreading you from Day 1.
[17:01:46] ‹Linkcat› Sorry
[17:02:11] ‹Calindu› I try to think about it logically and from a game optimal theory perspective, although a lot of things happened that don't really make sense
[17:02:45] ‹Calindu› But I agree that we can't lynch people making mistakes and misusing roles, because we'll get nowhere
[17:03:05] ‹ddevans96› hm. what I was thinking...it felt like IW knew I was right about him being mafia, so he panicked and went for the roleblock
[17:03:20] ‹ddevans96› but...if he was mafia, you would think he would discuss his actions with his team
[17:03:28] ‹ddevans96› if I think he roleblocked me out of panic
[17:03:40] ‹MasterWalks› I agree with dd on insig here.
[17:03:43] ‹ddevans96› that would actually be a towntell
[17:03:56] ‹MasterWalks› He did it out of panic as he doesnt think ahead
[17:04:12] ‹MasterWalks› well actually, that part of guarding you wasnt all that bad
[17:04:16] ‹ddevans96› lone town is more likely to use an action out of panic than grouped mafia, I think
[17:04:18] ‹MasterWalks› its the reveal that was a bad play
[17:05:02] ‹Calindu› ‹@ddevans96› Were you scumreading IW D1?
[17:05:06] ‹Calindu› I don't remember that
[17:05:08] ‹ddevans96› yes
[17:05:10] ‹ddevans96› very lightly
[17:05:42] ‹ddevans96› it wasn't exactly publicly clear that it was a very light read, however - just regular light
[17:06:10] ‹ddevans96› it was bc he voted on me immediately after Link's post, essentially
[17:06:27] ‹Calindu› Well, if he didn't have that much experience, I'm pretty sure he would see it as a survival game
[17:06:50] ‹Calindu› So it makes sense to target people that would want you lynched
[17:07:09] ‹Calindu› Because I clearly remember I did that mistake and threw a couple of games when I first started
[17:07:20] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:07:26] ‹ddevans96› nice formatting
[17:07:36] ‹ddevans96› those were the votes immediately before Link moved his vote to me
[17:08:00] ‹ddevans96› Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat || MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ || dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101 || JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger || shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel || InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo || iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
[17:08:07] ‹ddevans96› separated (sorry for double)
[17:08:22] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I see
[17:08:58] ‹ddevans96› then Link moved to me from Espi, and IW moved to me from himself
[17:09:10] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town, I think that's favorable for both Link and IW
[17:09:16] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is mafia, I think the opposite
[17:09:46] ‹ddevans96› @Espithel thoughts?
[17:09:57] ‹MasterWalks› So when it is revealed that espi is mafia, thats bad for Link and insig?
[17:10:14] ‹MasterWalks› why exactly?
[17:10:31] ‹ddevans96› because Espi was the lead lynch at that time
[17:10:58] ‹MasterWalks› well i think Espi is mafia, but i still moved my vote
[17:11:09] ‹ddevans96› if he was mafia, it would make sense for them to try to direct the vote elsewhere - we would have to answer the question of why Link's vote was on him in the first place, though
[17:11:14] ‹ddevans96› so maybe it says nothing about Link
[17:11:30] ‹ddevans96› yeah, for that reason, I don't think it says anything about you either
[17:11:35] ‹Espithel› I think what happened there
[17:11:41] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I love how root tunnels more than MW and gets really salty
[17:11:44] ‹ddevans96› unless you did a lot of bussing
[17:11:46] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Makes for good entertainment
[17:11:48] ‹Calindu› I don't think the Espi train mattered at that point
[17:11:58] ‹Linkcat› That's what I was thinking lol. Like, I had to save him from the lead that I put him in?
[17:12:13] ‹ddevans96› it would be mega brain of you
[17:12:21] ‹ddevans96› so I can't discard it - but probably not
[17:13:17] ‹Espithel› Is Linkcat punished me for OwOing
[17:13:32] ‹Espithel› Then actually looked at the posts, then made a serious decision
[17:13:39] ‹ddevans96› the other votes on me were Cal (could mean something if Espi flips mafia, but I still townread), Espi (selfpres, and took off anyways), iancu (dead town), Mobian (did put the chain 'out of reach', seemed sure I would be lynched...hmmmmmmmmmm, maybe him too)
[17:14:11] ‹kaempfer13› ok 11 people who did not roleclaim, 4 of which I think i can softread and 1 of which i know cuz its mine
[17:14:23] ‹ddevans96› if Espi was mafia, I'd want to look at Mobian (and IW, but I've already established that)
[17:14:32] ‹kaempfer13› nobody claim a role before gn is revealed
[17:14:42] ‹MasterWalks› whats your soft reads?
[17:14:58] ‹Linkcat› We should have done that from the start.
[17:15:09] ‹ddevans96› if Espi is town - I would be comfortable saying that IW is just nervous town
[17:15:11] ‹Linkcat› Why would you ask him that lmao
[17:15:18] ‹kaempfer13› soft reads for secondary roles are bad to reveal i think
[17:15:23] ‹MasterWalks› lol im addicted to info
[17:15:28] ‹ddevans96› anyways, errands - MAKE SURE THIS GETS LOGGED
[17:15:33] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root: “role claim is bad”. Also root: “everyone is 50/50 unless GN reveals”. Also Root: “we need to lunch every day”
[17:15:39] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› we should play chatfia rn
[17:15:43] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Root is an entropy main confirmed
[17:15:45] ‹ddevans96› ‹@kaempfer13› also, post your 'no more claims until GN is revealed' in the thread
[17:15:51] ‹ddevans96› so people not here hopefully see it and heed it
[17:16:30] ‹Calindu› I think claims are fine if it's strong info that leads to finding a mafia
[17:16:49] ‹Linkcat› Of course.
[17:16:53] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› No secondary role can actually offer facts to find mafia other than GN
[17:16:56] ‹MasterWalks› I still think GN should reveal if they find 2 mafia
[17:17:09] ‹kaempfer13› 4 are mafia, so that leaves us with a 1/3 for gn to be found
[17:17:17] ‹Linkcat› That's a no-brainer too.
[17:17:20] ‹Calindu› I personally wanted to claim if I found a GN or GN target and saw focus on them in the thread
[17:17:23] ‹kaempfer13› 2 more claims and she will be found for sure
[17:17:38] ‹Calindu› Though I didn't find anything like that
[17:19:33] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[17:20:09] ‹Calindu› I'd argue GN has to claim after N4 if they know 3 primary roles
[17:20:40] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Calindu› I would like you to make a rads list.
[17:20:46] ‹MasterWalks› I dont think they should if they only found town tho
[17:20:47] ‹Linkcat› reads*
[17:20:52] ‹kaempfer13› yh, she wont live beyond that with all those claims
[17:21:25] ‹MasterWalks› well actually i take that
[17:21:27] ‹MasterWalks› back
[17:22:00] ‹Calindu› I don't actually have any read list tbh, though I'd probably put most people as either neutral or lean town read
[17:22:36] ‹Linkcat› Any scumreads?
[17:22:54] ‹MasterWalks› Ill post rn but im not going to cut out all the SOCCER talk
[17:23:28] ‹Guest-Vulture-4afa1› that which i hunger for in the night is Frozen Panties
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
Okay here is the best TL:DR i can do
coffee role reveals, lots and lots discussion around that. GN was blocked N0 so they are low on info. Lots of talk around shock being detrimental to town. Cal says he cant do scum reads since he doesnt know for a fact who is mafia. dd talks about vote hopping D1 and how that looks bad on Insig and Link. Everyone is pretty much split on whether or not insig is scum or not.
I'm sure im missing a lot here so someone wanna help TL:DR?
EBWOP Root is the one talking about not being able to do scum reads, not Cal. My apologies
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 01:29:20 am
[2019-06-01 19:14:45] RootRanger: I don't think anyone except GN has info to think that someone is more likely mafia than not
[2019-06-01 19:15:03] RootRanger: I think they'd be wrong more often than not simply because there are way more civs than mafia and people aren't as smart as they think they are
Let me address some things. Here we have a quote (taken without context because I don't want this to be long) that shares the idea that no one can know if someone is really mafia or not other than GN. It's basically 50/50 for everyone else. As a result, we can come to the conclusion the Golden Nymph is the most important secondary role because it's theoretically the ONLY secondary role (outside of Fate Egg GN) that can find primary roles. Thus we come to the conclusion that role claiming is detrimental to town because it narrows down the most (and theoretically only) important role for town. We also have come to the conclusion that NO ONE with immortality giving or blocking abilities should use their role because this could hinder the Golden Nymph, who already can only find people EoR.
Now that we that down, let's start with a simple scenario. Golden Nymph uses ability. Only town with non-blocking information roles use their abilities. This gives us GN, FFQ, psion, and dragonfly (keep in mind none of these can detect the Night Kill). Graboid and seraph protecting themselves is about 50/50 because you could stop a NK but you could also block GN. And since graboid and seraph could be either mafia or town, GN would gain no info by having their ability fail. I would argue, it's probably better for seraph and graboid to remain unprotected (unburrowed) that way if GN's ability fails, they can know it was a role block from mafia.
So, what's mafia's optimal strategy assuming this. Well, since any other secondary role can be given to either mafia or town, it's in mafia's best interest to play their role as if they were town. That means, if they have FFQ, psion, or dragonfly they use it, and if they don't they don't. Since NK can't be tracked, they have nothing to worry about. Why risk being caught roleblocking when the GN only has a 4/18 chance of finding you, and you only have a 1/15 chance of blocking GN (who can only target every other round)? As a result, mafia would join in on the optimal town play as far as their secondary roles go. If they do this, they never have to lie about their role is psion finds them or what they did, because secondary roles CANNOT DETERMINE PRIMARY ROLES.
Now we get to the daytime discussion phase where "reads" come into play. This section is irrelevant because Root doesn't believe in reads.
BUUUUUUTTTTTTT, I know the rest of you will complain so let's theory craft anyways. Let's start with optimal town play. As Root has told us wonderfully many times, optimal town play is to never lie. Lying makes you harder to believe, harder to read, and opens the door to provide cover for mafia lying (which we kinda already established earlier isn't necessary at all for mafia). But the thing is, what is there to tell? We already established that claiming roles is detrimental. Anything that info roles find is also useless if mafia is playing optimally. Psion might find an otyugh. What does that tell us? Nothing. FFQ might see that psion visited player X. FFQ can't say anything without revealing. Even if they do reveal and psion is mafia, psion just tells the truth and agrees because nothing in that interaction can state whether the psion is mafia or town. Dragonfly might see player Y visited Player Z. Even if player Y is mafia, assuming they played optimally they would be one of the other info roles, and so they just reveal anyways with no risk. BUT, any of this info would still be revealing roles which we already decided is the single WORST thing to do in terms of GN surviving.
Now let's get on with optimal mafia play. Assuming optimal town play, mafia does nothing and says nothing. Offering information from their roles would be role revealing which is not what town wants. If town does role reveal and questions them, they just tell the truth because THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON NOT TO assuming you're playing like optimal town at night, which we already established is actually also optimal mafia play due to the odds of Night Kill vs. Golden Nymph being in favor of Night Kill.
BUUUUUUTTTTTTT, I know the rest of you will complain so let's theory craft anyways. Let's start with optimal town play. As Root has told us wonderfully many times, optimal town play is to never lie. Lying makes you harder to believe, harder to read, and opens the door to provide cover for mafia lying (which we kinda already established earlier isn't necessary at all for mafia). But the thing is, what is there to tell? We already established that claiming roles is detrimental. Anything that info roles find is also useless if mafia is playing optimally. Psion might find an otyugh. What does that tell us? Nothing. FFQ might see that psion visited player X. FFQ can't say anything without revealing. Even if they do reveal and psion is mafia, psion just tells the truth and agrees because nothing in that interaction can state whether the psion is mafia or town. Dragonfly might see player Y visited Player Z. Even if player Y is mafia, assuming they played optimally they would be one of the other info roles, and so they just reveal anyways with no risk. BUT, any of this info would still be revealing roles which we already decided is the single WORST thing to do in terms of GN surviving.
Now let's get on with optimal mafia play. Assuming optimal town play, mafia does nothing and says nothing. Offering information from their roles would be role revealing which is not what town wants. If town does role reveal and questions them, they just tell the truth because THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON NOT TO assuming you're playing like optimal town at night, which we already established is actually also optimal mafia play due to the odds of Night Kill vs. Golden Nymph being in favor of Night Kill.
So now we have reached day 1. Night 0 ended. Mafia killed someone (probably not GN). GN found someone (probably not mafia). Now what is there to offer to start discussion. From what we just read about optimal play, NOTHING. Obviously, someone will throw out an accusation and someone will say, "well why are you voting me?" But ultimately, this discussion is useless and really there's no way to tell who's mafia and who isn't from this useless conversation. So Root was right!?!?!?! Indeed. Everyone is 50/50.
NOW, here's the problem. If we assume everything said above was logical and optimal play, what is the optimal play when it comes to lynching? Well, GN could find mafia and reveal, causing mafia to be lynched. But if GN doesn't have all 4, then mafia just insta kills the next night and now town is stuck resorting to random lynching every day hoping to be right. This would leave everything to chance except give mafia the slight edge since they could theoretically coordinate a bit to reduce the odds of them being the one randomly chosen. In fact, for at least the first SEVERAL days, the optimal strategy is NO LYNCH. WHAT!!!?!?!?!??!! BUT ALL THE VETS SAY THAT LYNCH EVERY DAY IS A MUST AND OPTIMAL PLAY? But is it? Let's look at the stats. Assuming mafia kills n0, there are 18 people left. 13 of those have no idea what's going on and they only know their own primary role.
If one person randomly guesses to start the vote and every joins that first random guess, there is a 4/18 chance to hit mafia, 13/18 chance to hit town, and 1/18 chance to hit GN. Most likely you're hitting town. Why would everyone follow the first person to vote? Because if optimal play is used, then there's really no reason not to, assuming LYNCH MUST HAPPEN. Well what if GN just is the first to vote after finding mafia. Then they don't have to reveal. Well if the person GN votes on is mafia, mafia will know that the odds of a random town picking a mafia is low, so they just NK whoever voted them up first. As a result, lynching every day (assuming no reads because 50/50 right?) is almost always going to kill a town until the mafia and town numbers get closer. If a mafia gets random lynched, great, but then the subsequent lynches realign the odds to be in more favor of mafia once again. As a result, NO LYNCH IS ACTUALLY THE OPTIMAL STRATEGY ASSUMING 50/50 AND OPTIMAL FROM BOTH SIDES.
NOW, here's the problem. If we assume everything said above was logical and optimal play, what is the optimal play when it comes to lynching? Well, GN could find mafia and reveal, causing mafia to be lynched. But if GN doesn't have all 4, then mafia just insta kills the next night and now town is stuck resorting to random lynching every day hoping to be right. This would leave everything to chance except give mafia the slight edge since they could theoretically coordinate a bit to reduce the odds of them being the one randomly chosen. In fact, for at least the first SEVERAL days, the optimal strategy is NO LYNCH. WHAT!!!?!?!?!??!! BUT ALL THE VETS SAY THAT LYNCH EVERY DAY IS A MUST AND OPTIMAL PLAY? But is it? Let's look at the stats. Assuming mafia kills n0, there are 18 people left. 13 of those have no idea what's going on and they only know their own primary role.
If one person randomly guesses to start the vote and every joins that first random guess, there is a 4/18 chance to hit mafia, 13/18 chance to hit town, and 1/18 chance to hit GN. Most likely you're hitting town. Why would everyone follow the first person to vote? Because if optimal play is used, then there's really no reason not to, assuming LYNCH MUST HAPPEN. Well what if GN just is the first to vote after finding mafia. Then they don't have to reveal. Well if the person GN votes on is mafia, mafia will know that the odds of a random town picking a mafia is low, so they just NK whoever voted them up first. As a result, lynching every day (assuming no reads because 50/50 right?) is almost always going to kill a town until the mafia and town numbers get closer. If a mafia gets random lynched, great, but then the subsequent lynches realign the odds to be in more favor of mafia once again. As a result, NO LYNCH IS ACTUALLY THE OPTIMAL STRATEGY ASSUMING 50/50 AND OPTIMAL FROM BOTH SIDES.
"But if we lynch we gain info from the votes!"
If optimal strategy is being used by both sides than mafia will accept the odds and if someone randomly votes up mafia, they will simply join along and accept the loss of one of their members to ensure that the entire game remains RNG based, which favors mafia.
"But what if everyone votes on someone different and allows GN to leave breadcrumbs behind?"
Well first, GN can only leave breadcrumbs if they find mafia. Second, mafia members could also just randomly vote someone up. And to avoid any reads, they simple roll a 1d18 or 1d17 or 1dwhatever minus themselves to determine who they vote for. Some times they will end up bussing by accident and sometimes they will all join in on the same person. But it's random, and that's optimal play for mafia because it keeps everything 50/50.
"Well you're assuming mafia is playing optimally."
The possibility of mafia having new players or noobs or uncooperative members or suboptimal players exists. But then why doesn't that exist for town also? In fact, the odds of town having suboptimal players should theoretically be the same as mafia, but due to percentages, town will likely have more individual players who are suboptimal. As such, the idea of 50/50 gets thrown out the window and "reads" do indeed come into play, because people will mess up.
If optimal strategy is being used by both sides than mafia will accept the odds and if someone randomly votes up mafia, they will simply join along and accept the loss of one of their members to ensure that the entire game remains RNG based, which favors mafia.
"But what if everyone votes on someone different and allows GN to leave breadcrumbs behind?"
Well first, GN can only leave breadcrumbs if they find mafia. Second, mafia members could also just randomly vote someone up. And to avoid any reads, they simple roll a 1d18 or 1d17 or 1dwhatever minus themselves to determine who they vote for. Some times they will end up bussing by accident and sometimes they will all join in on the same person. But it's random, and that's optimal play for mafia because it keeps everything 50/50.
"Well you're assuming mafia is playing optimally."
The possibility of mafia having new players or noobs or uncooperative members or suboptimal players exists. But then why doesn't that exist for town also? In fact, the odds of town having suboptimal players should theoretically be the same as mafia, but due to percentages, town will likely have more individual players who are suboptimal. As such, the idea of 50/50 gets thrown out the window and "reads" do indeed come into play, because people will mess up.
Basically it comes down to this. If you want to assume 50/50 and complain about how town should be playing optimally, then you need to assume mafia will play optimally as well. This is essentially saying you're fine with this game being the most boring mafia game ever that ultimately comes down to RNG of random lynching and GN vs. NK target picking.
Furthermore, if you want to quote optimal play, then lynching every day is really not optimal at all, and important role claiming means nothing because GN is the ONLY important role. So if you wanna use optimal play or 50/50 or any of that as your reasoning for lynching people, at least be consistent with your logic and don't use fallacies.
There are only two ways for truly accurate and useful "reads" to come into play in this sort of ruleset.
1.) People misplaying (which I stated already is equally likely to happen for either side. If you think this is more likely in newer players, well guess what, those newer players could be on either side since it's random. In fact, mafia is probably less likely to misplay since they can coordinate, so misplays should really equal town read not scum read.
2.) People purposely lying or misplaying to create discussion where reads can happen.
AND yes, I realize that Guardian Angel can protect people and effectively confirm a townie because mafia probably wouldn't target themselves with NK. Again though, GA has to role claim for this information to ever become relevant. This most likely means waiting a really long time to reveal this, at which point your target may have already died or it's too late for town to realistically win.
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 01:41:36 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 01:57:41 am
Optimal play is to lynch.
The odds of lynching mafia actually get higher as the game progresses. Root is E X P E R I E N C E D but i dont agree with him. 50/50 is damn good odds to be honest. So, even if we do lynch town, our next lynch will have a better chance of hitting mafia. And, role do say a lot. You can track back on the thread and see if they lied and who they scum read and if that scum read is role based or a "hunch". Like now, we have come to realization that there are many multiple roles this game, which means there are many roles not in the game. This is big. This could mean mafia has shite roles like Green Nymph, Amber Nymph, and Crusader to an extent. Narrowing down scum is a big deal, even if "mafia plays just like town".
GN is not all powerful.
GN does not win the game. Want proof? here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/). Scum reads and action on scum reads wins games. Mafia cant "play like town" the whole game without slipping up. Even town does scummy things but mafia cant usually rebuttal strongly. This is why getting scum reads and putting pressure on that scum is important. Correct me if im wrong, but youre saying town should no lynch because its "optimal". So we just sit and wait until mafia kills so many of us and hope they dont kill GN in that time, until GN can find ALL the mafia. What your saying is GN is what wins the game, which is just wrong.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 02:09:30 am
This is the list of people who voted on dd at some point during Day 2: Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
This is literally me and all of my townreads. I do not believe any mafia voted on dd Day 2. Considering how strong of a player he is and how viable his lynch was, this throws up a huge red flag for me. There's no way mafia would totally ignore this opportunity. It only makes sense to me if dd is mafia. But first, we need to look at Day 1.
The people not already mentioned who voted on dd Day 1 are Espi, who was self-preserving, iancu, a confirmed town, and Mobian.
I'm also noting here that on Day 2 Mobian's vote was on iancu the whole day.
If Mobian is town, that means no mafia voted for dd at any point, which looks even worse for him. If Mobian is mafia, then his vote is a believable bus. When dd was at 4 votes and no other train was at more than 2, mafia sees that he's probably getting lynched today, and Mobian puts the fifth vote on him which is a huge blow. Then, dd tries as hard as he can to save himself, relying only on town to do it. So whoever votes to save him looks bad, while Mobian looks really good. If dd manages to not get lynched then that's extra good.
I'm also noting here that on Day 2 Mobian's vote was on iancu the whole day, who is confirmed town.
So my working theory right now is that the team is dd, Mobian, and two of the less active players, feud, Ginyu, moehrpi, math, and Coffee, most likely the ones voting on shock right now. This makes sense for a lot of what happened this game. If I'm wrong and dd is town, then kaempfer and Calin have a high chance of being mafia. We'll get a ton of information no matter what happens.
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
ROUND 3 BOYS LET'S GO
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 02:28:47 am
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
If this is best for town and I'm town, then I guess this is optimal play.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 02:51:10 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Looks like im still not going to get my espithel lynch since no one will listen to me.
Im not going to vote shock for 3 reasons. 1) I dont think hes mafia 2) i think the chaos is healthy 3) assisted suicide is legal in my home state but i dont agree with it.
Obv im not going to vote myslef
ddevans is still kinda sketchy imo. He asked for himself to be investigated, but he is anubis. Why wouldnt he just immaterial himself and have GN or psion waste a night on him? he could blame it on being warded.
I have no other lead than this. im not going to waste even more time trying to lynch espi if no one will listen.
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 02:56:13 am
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 02:56:21 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 02:56:41 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
ebwop
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 02:57:35 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
ebwop 2
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 02:58:20 am
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Shit. EBWOP 3
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 03:23:15 am
(https://gyazo.com/c5f2c0a8584a75fa040436714f45b43f.png)
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 03:44:55 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Post by: Espithel on June 02, 2019, 03:49:26 am
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Cleanup
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 04:02:33 am
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
[17:24:39] ‹Linkcat› Well I guess it's time to look at the vote log.
[17:25:18] ‹Calindu› But mostly because I find his play detrimental
[17:27:42] ‹shockcannon› i might have to make a post
[17:27:45] ‹shockcannon› even though I said I wouldn't
[17:27:59] ‹shockcannon› just to highlight the logical fallacies that calindu and root use to base all their arguments
[17:28:22] ‹MasterWalks› shit
[17:28:22] ‹shockcannon› although i suppose they could both be mafia
[17:28:29] ‹MasterWalks› i cant post chat log
[17:28:37] ‹MasterWalks› hit character limit
[17:28:45] ‹shockcannon› and using my "bad town" play as an excuse to lynch another town and keep attention away from mafia members
[17:29:10] ‹Calindu› I don't know if you are bad town or aggro mafia
[17:29:27] ‹shockcannon› same for you
[17:29:58] ‹shockcannon› You keep bringing up optimal strategy and assuming players are making the best possible moves
[17:30:15] ‹shockcannon› yet you support lynch every day, which I can mathematically prove is NOT optimal based on the strategy you describe as optimal
[17:31:20] ‹Calindu› I support lynch everyday because not lynching brings us 0 info and we lose a player to the night kill
[17:31:27] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day IS optimal if you
[17:31:39] ‹shockcannon› take "reads" into account
[17:31:44] ‹shockcannon› but you and root don't seem to value that
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day brings 0 info as well
[17:32:06] ‹shockcannon› using the logic you use
[17:32:27] ‹shockcannon› if town plays optimally
[17:32:40] ‹shockcannon› then the optimal mafia play would be to use no abilities and talk just enough to not be modkilled
[17:32:53] ‹shockcannon› and to not vote
[17:33:04] ‹shockcannon› and if this happens, then lynching every day offers nothing
[17:33:04] ‹Linkcat› That's the optimal play if you want town to lose lol.
[17:33:10] ‹MasterWalks› gad damnit. I ended up having to edit out all the soccer stuff
[17:33:17] ‹Calindu› I might not have the best reads, and I might have strong opinions, but no way is forcing role claims and lying better
[17:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› Its posted tho
[17:33:45] ‹MasterWalks› AND there is a big ass youtube link in the middle
[17:33:51] ‹shockcannon› forcing role claims and lying alllows for reads to be used
[17:34:12] ‹shockcannon› i'm just making a post
[17:34:23] ‹shockcannon› if you want to argue statistics afterwards and look like a fool sure
[17:35:41] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I didn't say I can't do scumreads, I said I didn't have a read list and most of my list would lean town
[17:35:41] ‹MasterWalks› character limit is 65,000 characters if anyone wanted to know
[17:35:42] ‹kaempfer13› allowing lyers to live makes for reads to be way harder
[17:36:15] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› wait, were you not the one that was all about that 50% town/mafia thing?
[17:36:50] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› No, I don't remember saying anything like that
[17:36:50] ‹MasterWalks› shit, my bad. That was a lot to cover. You can go in and correct it in EBWOP.
[17:37:05] ‹MasterWalks› im getting root, you, and coffee all mixed up
[17:37:33] ‹MasterWalks› I was more worried about the character limit so i made the TL:DR as short as i could.
[17:37:49] ‹MasterWalks› Got names mixed up obv
[17:38:02] ‹Calindu› Yeah, no worries, mistakes happen
[17:38:53] ‹Calindu› Was worried you misunderstood me and people would just base everything off the TL;DR
[17:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› No it was root or coffee that was talking about 50% stuff. Ive been staring at this damn computer screen for like 9 hours straight. My brain is all jumbled
[17:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› And standing the whole time too since im at work
[17:41:12] ‹Coffeeditto› not me
[17:41:14] ‹Linkcat› It was Root.
[17:41:16] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't work in percentages
[17:24:39] ‹Linkcat› Well I guess it's time to look at the vote log.
[17:25:18] ‹Calindu› But mostly because I find his play detrimental
[17:27:42] ‹shockcannon› i might have to make a post
[17:27:45] ‹shockcannon› even though I said I wouldn't
[17:27:59] ‹shockcannon› just to highlight the logical fallacies that calindu and root use to base all their arguments
[17:28:22] ‹MasterWalks› shit
[17:28:22] ‹shockcannon› although i suppose they could both be mafia
[17:28:29] ‹MasterWalks› i cant post chat log
[17:28:37] ‹MasterWalks› hit character limit
[17:28:45] ‹shockcannon› and using my "bad town" play as an excuse to lynch another town and keep attention away from mafia members
[17:29:10] ‹Calindu› I don't know if you are bad town or aggro mafia
[17:29:27] ‹shockcannon› same for you
[17:29:58] ‹shockcannon› You keep bringing up optimal strategy and assuming players are making the best possible moves
[17:30:15] ‹shockcannon› yet you support lynch every day, which I can mathematically prove is NOT optimal based on the strategy you describe as optimal
[17:31:20] ‹Calindu› I support lynch everyday because not lynching brings us 0 info and we lose a player to the night kill
[17:31:27] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day IS optimal if you
[17:31:39] ‹shockcannon› take "reads" into account
[17:31:44] ‹shockcannon› but you and root don't seem to value that
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day brings 0 info as well
[17:32:06] ‹shockcannon› using the logic you use
[17:32:27] ‹shockcannon› if town plays optimally
[17:32:40] ‹shockcannon› then the optimal mafia play would be to use no abilities and talk just enough to not be modkilled
[17:32:53] ‹shockcannon› and to not vote
[17:33:04] ‹shockcannon› and if this happens, then lynching every day offers nothing
[17:33:04] ‹Linkcat› That's the optimal play if you want town to lose lol.
[17:33:10] ‹MasterWalks› gad damnit. I ended up having to edit out all the soccer stuff
[17:33:17] ‹Calindu› I might not have the best reads, and I might have strong opinions, but no way is forcing role claims and lying better
[17:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› Its posted tho
[17:33:45] ‹MasterWalks› AND there is a big ass youtube link in the middle
[17:33:51] ‹shockcannon› forcing role claims and lying alllows for reads to be used
[17:34:12] ‹shockcannon› i'm just making a post
[17:34:23] ‹shockcannon› if you want to argue statistics afterwards and look like a fool sure
[17:35:41] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I didn't say I can't do scumreads, I said I didn't have a read list and most of my list would lean town
[17:35:41] ‹MasterWalks› character limit is 65,000 characters if anyone wanted to know
[17:35:42] ‹kaempfer13› allowing lyers to live makes for reads to be way harder
[17:36:15] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› wait, were you not the one that was all about that 50% town/mafia thing?
[17:36:50] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› No, I don't remember saying anything like that
[17:36:50] ‹MasterWalks› shit, my bad. That was a lot to cover. You can go in and correct it in EBWOP.
[17:37:05] ‹MasterWalks› im getting root, you, and coffee all mixed up
[17:37:33] ‹MasterWalks› I was more worried about the character limit so i made the TL:DR as short as i could.
[17:37:49] ‹MasterWalks› Got names mixed up obv
[17:38:02] ‹Calindu› Yeah, no worries, mistakes happen
[17:38:53] ‹Calindu› Was worried you misunderstood me and people would just base everything off the TL;DR
[17:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› No it was root or coffee that was talking about 50% stuff. Ive been staring at this damn computer screen for like 9 hours straight. My brain is all jumbled
[17:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› And standing the whole time too since im at work
[17:41:12] ‹Coffeeditto› not me
[17:41:14] ‹Linkcat› It was Root.
[17:41:16] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't work in percentages
[17:41:44] ‹shockcannon› i'm about to destroy root right now
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› half way through the post
[17:41:50] ‹shockcannon› hold on a few more minutes
[17:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Did the EBWOP
[17:48:39] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Cheers
[17:48:52] ‹kaempfer13› root said that there is no way to be more than 50% sure someone is mafia unless you are gn or town follows a strict ruleset that someone breaks (requires full cooperation) (the latter part was added by me, but i thinkit was implied)
[17:51:17] ‹MasterWalks› 10 more min and get to go home to stare at the computer again, only this time i can lay down. Two hips and a hooray
[17:54:24] ‹shockcannon› alsoo
[17:54:26] ‹shockcannon› when i post this
[17:54:28] ‹shockcannon› please read it
[17:54:35] ‹shockcannon› it seems a lot of you just don't read my posts
[17:54:37] ‹shockcannon› like root
[17:54:50] ‹shockcannon› where I already answered half the things he asked about today in my post yesterday
[17:58:08] ‹Calindu› I'll read it tomorrow, it's 2 am here and I'm going to sleep
[18:00:22] ‹shockcannon› i'm actually pretty frustrating with a lot of people
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› if you wanna lynch me for being chaotic
[18:00:36] ‹shockcannon› just say that
[18:00:46] ‹shockcannon› but don't use logical fallacies as your excuse for doing so
[18:29:42] ‹shockcannon› alright posted
[18:29:48] ‹shockcannon› knock yourselves out kids
[18:29:58] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i suggest you read
[18:30:10] ‹shockcannon› maybe you'll stop being brainwashed by calindu and rootranger
[18:34:24] ‹Espithel› This is pretty meek.
[18:43:30] ‹shockcannon› also
[18:43:32] ‹shockcannon› if anyone wants to league
[18:43:36] ‹shockcannon› let me know
[18:45:35] ‹kaempfer13› meh, nothing much new and the correct conclusion is that lynch is far preferable over no lynch
[18:46:11] ‹kaempfer13› even if that by itself wont playout well
[18:46:16] ‹shockcannon› if you're assuming optimal play its not
[18:46:33] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day is fine for gaining info to create reads
[18:46:56] ‹shockcannon› but there's like 3 or 4 players here who insist on optimal town play, and that DOES NOT call for lynch every day
[18:46:59] ‹kaempfer13› if we assume optimal play only 1.5 roles matter for identifying
[18:47:17] ‹shockcannon› there are a lot of people here though who are assuming optimal play
[18:47:22] ‹shockcannon› and want town to do "optimal play"
[18:47:35] ‹kaempfer13› so that will never work out without the random successfull lynch
[18:47:36] ‹shockcannon› which would result in a 4 page thread with no interacting
[18:48:13] ‹shockcannon› random lynch just speeds things up for mafia
[18:48:24] ‹shockcannon› random lynching reduces the player count quicker
[18:48:39] ‹shockcannon› which gives golden nymph significantly knowledge
[18:48:48] ‹shockcannon› *significantly less knowledge
[18:48:58] ‹kaempfer13› random lynch is the most likely way to catch mafia
[18:49:01] ‹shockcannon› and increases the chances the golden nymph targets are killed before golden nymph can find 2-4 mafia
[18:49:33] ‹Linkcat› What shock is describing is exactly what would happen if 17 RootRangers played a game of mafia.
[18:49:49] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is the equally likely of a method to catching mafia as golden nymph
[18:49:57] ‹shockcannon› but it also works against the golden nymph mechanic
[18:49:59] ‹shockcannon› so yes
[18:50:04] ‹shockcannon› random lynch helps find mafia
[18:50:07] ‹shockcannon› but it hurts golden nymph
[18:50:10] ‹kaempfer13› golden nymph identifies half as many people as die, so counting on her is a losing play
[18:50:15] ‹shockcannon› so you're just losing what you gain
[18:50:42] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day means golden nymph identifies a quarter as many people as die
[18:50:53] ‹shockcannon› which is an even more losing play
[18:51:09] ‹Espithel› I'm really busy right now, so I'll address this in full later.
[18:51:48] ‹shockcannon› ALSO random lynching has the added negative of potentially voting up GN and either killing GN or forcing GN to reveal, which is killing GN
[18:51:50] ‹kaempfer13› yes, youre gonna want to get 1, maybe 2 lynches out of gn reveal and the rest has ro work out randomöy/through slipups
[18:52:17] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› exactly
[18:52:31] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching reduces the chances of GN find even 1 or 2 mafia
[18:52:38] ‹shockcannon› which means that the entire game becomes random lynching
[18:52:47] ‹shockcannon› so if you prefer that over the GN finds 1-2 mafia and then you do random
[18:52:48] ‹shockcannon› then sure
[18:52:55] ‹Espithel› But put simply, you argue that people should use tons of skills because, otherwise, the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:52:58] ‹kaempfer13› but not taking the shot while you have it is def a waste
[18:53:08] ‹Espithel› With no lynching, the same argument applies - the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:53:47] ‹kaempfer13› basically gn takes a lynchshot that most of the time will hit town just as well, just doesnt kill regardless of whether they hit mafia or not
[18:54:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Espithel› I just want to address people who are making claims about optimal strategy and then using logical fallacies in the midst
[18:54:41] ‹shockcannon› I really don't have the time, but if we assume optimal mafia and town play, no lynching is statistically the better option
[18:54:54] ‹shockcannon› I'm not going to waste my time running statistics that you guys won't even believe
[18:55:04] ‹shockcannon› but I made my point
[18:55:11] ‹shockcannon› this point isn't even related to me playing the mafia game
[18:55:40] ‹shockcannon› it's just people arguing false statistics
[18:55:53] ‹kaempfer13› so gn is half as powerfull as the regular lynch and everything else doesnt matter except for psychology
[18:56:24] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› gn can hot town and die before reveal you know
[18:56:46] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[18:56:53] ‹shockcannon› it's statistics
[18:56:56] ‹kaempfer13› and her odds are about the same as the lynch
[18:56:57] ‹shockcannon› anything is possible
[18:57:25] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is random
[18:57:29] ‹kaempfer13› but we get the lynch every round
[18:57:36] ‹shockcannon› GN is not random, and the only way that town gets any info
[18:57:46] ‹shockcannon› the more you lynch, the less GN you get
[18:57:53] ‹shockcannon› would you rather have more random, or less random?
[18:57:57] ‹MasterWalks› GN doesnt win the game
[18:58:07] ‹MasterWalks› You can lose GN N0 and still win
[18:58:11] ‹shockcannon› obviously gn doesn't win the game
[18:58:23] ‹shockcannon› do you guys get how statistics works?
[18:58:37] ‹shockcannon› you can also have GN never get killed and find all 4 mafia
[18:58:38] ‹MasterWalks› no
[18:58:50] ‹shockcannon›
[18:59:05] ‹shockcannon› i have an equal chance of rolling five 1s and five 9s
[18:59:15] ‹shockcannon› that doesn't make either of them likely
[18:59:41] ‹MasterWalks› rolling a 4, 9, 7, 5, 9 is also not likely
[18:59:45] ‹MasterWalks› but you just did it
[18:59:56] ‹MasterWalks› that couldve been a mafia lynch
[18:59:57] ‹shockcannon› its about odds
[19:00:00] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:00:03] ‹shockcannon› optimal play is about what happens the most
[19:00:04] ‹Espithel› ow that hurt walks
[19:00:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› im sowy, i wont huwt you no mowre uwu
[19:00:51] ‹MasterWalks› that hurt to type
[19:00:57] ‹shockcannon› @anyone who wants to argue about optimal play: do some googling on how statistics works a bit
[19:01:31] ‹shockcannon› Optimal play is going to fail plenty of times
[19:01:39] ‹MasterWalks› What are the statistics google brings up the page i want about statistics?
[19:01:39] ‹shockcannon› but it's going to fail less than other strategies
[19:01:52] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes, I get how statistic works (I study it) and lynching is the right play
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› okay
[19:02:25] ‹shockcannon› let's assume optimal play
[19:02:31] ‹shockcannon› lynching just gives us a shot at killing mafia
[19:02:49] ‹shockcannon› what the player turns after lynch means NOTHING because optimal play doesn't involve reads
[19:03:01] ‹kaempfer13› assuming gn lives until revealing!) no lynch=2deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:34] ‹MasterWalks› not lynching guarantees we dont kill a mafia
[19:03:58] ‹kaempfer13› lynch: 1 and a half deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:59] ‹shockcannon› not lyching gives GN more time, which is the only non-random factor in the game
[19:04:24] ‹MasterWalks› but keeps the chances of them finding mafia, which is just as low as lynching mafia
[19:04:49] ‹MasterWalks› Gn finding mafia is literally the same chance as lynching a mafia
[19:05:39] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:05:54] ‹shockcannon› asssuming 19 people alive
[19:05:58] ‹shockcannon› GN has 1/18 shot
[19:06:03] ‹shockcannon› sorry
[19:06:04] ‹shockcannon› 4/18
[19:06:10] ‹shockcannon› if you lynch with 19 people alive
[19:06:12] ‹shockcannon› town has 4/19
[19:06:14] ‹kaempfer13› well mafia can modify those odds at first, but that will expose them later and is pretty much the whole point of the game
[19:06:18] ‹shockcannon› because town will be voting on each other
[19:06:21] ‹shockcannon› GN will never search itself
[19:06:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› mafia doesn't need to modify those odds
[19:06:51] ‹shockcannon› those odds are already above 50% for them to win
[19:07:01] ‹shockcannon› they just play the odds every game and they win more than they lose
[19:07:13] ‹kaempfer13› townfolk well never vote on themselves either other than us placeholder
[19:07:18] ‹MasterWalks› If i was GN, i would search myself to find out who i really am.
[19:07:27] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› but other town will vote on other town
[19:07:40] ‹shockcannon› so 14/19 players are non-GN, non mafia
[19:07:44] ‹shockcannon› they will vote completely randomly
[19:07:57] ‹shockcannon› GN will never wsate a seearch on themselves
[19:08:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes but each town will not vote themselves, so its still same odds
[19:08:06] ‹MasterWalks› but its not random
[19:08:19] ‹MasterWalks› its based around reads
[19:08:39] ‹kaempfer13› above response was just typed slowly and followup to what i said, not reaction to you
[19:08:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› did you even read my post
[19:09:01] ‹shockcannon› That's what i'm arguing in my post
[19:09:05] ‹MasterWalks› i skimmed it
[19:09:17] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:19] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:21] ‹Espithel› Walks please
[19:09:25] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› its not the same odds
[19:09:49] ‹shockcannon› in a lynch, all 19 players are fair game
[19:09:57] ‹shockcannon› at night, only 18 players are fair game for GN search
[19:10:06] ‹kaempfer13› no, you yourselves are not
[19:10:09] ‹shockcannon› ADDITIONALLY
[19:10:24] ‹shockcannon› if GN knows players that are alive and their primary role
[19:10:29] ‹shockcannon› GN odds increase as time goes on
[19:10:41] ‹kaempfer13› just because another town may vote you doesnt mean that they in turn would vote themselves
[19:10:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i realize that
[19:10:56] ‹shockcannon› you're thinking about it from a single player's point of view
[19:11:07] ‹shockcannon› think of it overall
[19:11:23] ‹shockcannon› during the day, the odds a mafia gets voted up is 4/19
[19:11:28] ‹shockcannon› 19 players are fair game for voting
[19:11:35] ‹kaempfer13› if each town only has to look at 18 players, all of them do
[19:11:56] ‹kaempfer13› its so obvious its almost circular logic
[19:13:12] ‹shockcannon› yes
[19:13:23] ‹shockcannon› but we're assuming all players vote randomly on someone not themselves
[19:13:35] ‹shockcannon› this also leaves room for a two top voted players to tie
[19:13:39] ‹shockcannon› which would lead to no lynch
[19:13:57] ‹shockcannon› and if everyone revotes between the tied players, that's changing the odds
[19:14:10] ‹shockcannon› ALSO, GN has odds to be voted up, which then loses any advantage you had
[19:14:23] ‹shockcannon› and makes it all ENTIRELY random
[19:14:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› The entire point of his post is that if everyone didn't try to make reads and played like Root wants us to play, then the game would be stupid and boring, so we shouldn't play that way.
[19:14:40] ‹MasterWalks› Oh
[19:14:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i agree with shock then
[19:16:53] ‹Espithel› I am rubbing off on Walks way too much
[19:16:55] ‹Espithel› I need to stop
[19:18:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› tiebreaking doesnt change the odds so long as its done randomly and gn ability only gets marginally better post n3 (assuming no blocks) than just lynch, which is easily outdone by the fact that gn is susceptible to a number of things
[19:19:05] ‹kaempfer13› and there is simply no reason not to lynch when there is nothing better
[19:19:40] ‹shockcannon› keeping GN alive longer is better
[19:19:45] ‹kaempfer13› no lynch is also stupid for playing the game properly, since thats where all the mindgames happen
[19:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› playing the game proplery or optimally?
[19:20:06] ‹kaempfer13› so stop arguig for it or use legitimate math
[19:20:13] ‹shockcannon› because playing the game optimally involves 0 mindgames
[19:20:34] ‹shockcannon› the legitimate math is lynching negates the advantages of GN
[19:20:42] ‹Linkcat› Guys, what type of boring play is optimal is not even relevant to the point.
[19:20:48] ‹Linkcat› There's no use arguing about it.
[19:20:51] ‹shockcannon› GN gets lets chances to investigate over the course of the game
[19:21:08] ‹kaempfer13› which i have proven is roughly half as good as using the damn lynch
[19:21:10] ‹shockcannon› and town likely kills off GN confirmed targets
[19:21:16] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:21:55] ‹shockcannon› Not lynching until GN reveals or GN dies will work out better more often than random lynching every day
[19:22:10] ‹shockcannon› there will be plenty of times when it fails
[19:22:17] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching also fails a heck ton
[19:22:36] ‹DoubleCapitals› I'll compile this once y'all are done
[19:23:14] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you do realize, I don't give a crap about optimal play right?
[19:24:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› Hey can you update OP to link to this current phase please
[19:25:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› hey
[19:25:50] ‹Linkcat› Yo
[19:25:50] ‹shockcannon› i dont know if you're a town or not
[19:25:51] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am not authorized to edit Submachine's posts
[19:26:21] ‹shockcannon› but i don't like get yelled for not playing boring
[19:26:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› its fine to have fun, but you refuse the very basics of mafia and math alike
[19:26:58] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› ahh damn ok
[19:27:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i'm not going to continue to argue statistics
[19:27:22] ‹shockcannon› Also, I can almost guarantee I have played more mafia than everyone on this forum combined
[19:27:34] ‹shockcannon› so if you wanna argue experience go ahead
[19:27:45] ‹shockcannon› granted, haven't played with this whack rulest
[19:27:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i dont believe that one bit
[19:28:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› he said the word we like
[19:28:19] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› wow, how often do you live past day 2 (assuming you play with strangers)?
[19:28:25] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:30] ‹MasterWalks› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:50] ‹Espithel› I'm not even taking the piss
[19:28:53] ‹Espithel› It's just a fun thing to say
[19:29:47] ‹shockcannon› How long someone lives in a mafia game means nothing
[19:29:50] ‹shockcannon› how often they win does
[19:30:07] ‹shockcannon› let's assume mathman101 is town
[19:30:11] ‹shockcannon› is he helping town right now?
[19:30:59] ‹MasterWalks› we went from orchestrate to experience. Now the next word will be O P T I M A L
[19:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› feel free to follow root
[19:31:55] ‹kaempfer13› the only reason you live to day 3 is because we had to accept that just bc you play abyssmally doesnt mean your mafia out of e x p e r i e n c e (yh i forced that word in there)
[19:32:03] ‹shockcannon› he had literally everyone's info last game as ash and lynched like 4 straight town
[19:32:50] ‹shockcannon› you think i play abyssmally because you think there's only one way to play this game
[19:32:57] ‹Espithel› The next word is H O N O U R A B L E F I F T H
[19:34:11] ‹kaempfer13› apparently at least one of them lied/omitted info and noone explained to them that there is literally no reason not to pm a confirmed town everything you have
[19:34:45] ‹kaempfer13› (unless pms are banned ofc)
[19:35:41] ‹shockcannon› actually someone in chat said they did give root everything and root said he missed a message
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› half way through the post
[17:41:50] ‹shockcannon› hold on a few more minutes
[17:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Did the EBWOP
[17:48:39] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Cheers
[17:48:52] ‹kaempfer13› root said that there is no way to be more than 50% sure someone is mafia unless you are gn or town follows a strict ruleset that someone breaks (requires full cooperation) (the latter part was added by me, but i thinkit was implied)
[17:51:17] ‹MasterWalks› 10 more min and get to go home to stare at the computer again, only this time i can lay down. Two hips and a hooray
[17:54:24] ‹shockcannon› alsoo
[17:54:26] ‹shockcannon› when i post this
[17:54:28] ‹shockcannon› please read it
[17:54:35] ‹shockcannon› it seems a lot of you just don't read my posts
[17:54:37] ‹shockcannon› like root
[17:54:50] ‹shockcannon› where I already answered half the things he asked about today in my post yesterday
[17:58:08] ‹Calindu› I'll read it tomorrow, it's 2 am here and I'm going to sleep
[18:00:22] ‹shockcannon› i'm actually pretty frustrating with a lot of people
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› if you wanna lynch me for being chaotic
[18:00:36] ‹shockcannon› just say that
[18:00:46] ‹shockcannon› but don't use logical fallacies as your excuse for doing so
[18:29:42] ‹shockcannon› alright posted
[18:29:48] ‹shockcannon› knock yourselves out kids
[18:29:58] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i suggest you read
[18:30:10] ‹shockcannon› maybe you'll stop being brainwashed by calindu and rootranger
[18:34:24] ‹Espithel› This is pretty meek.
[18:43:30] ‹shockcannon› also
[18:43:32] ‹shockcannon› if anyone wants to league
[18:43:36] ‹shockcannon› let me know
[18:45:35] ‹kaempfer13› meh, nothing much new and the correct conclusion is that lynch is far preferable over no lynch
[18:46:11] ‹kaempfer13› even if that by itself wont playout well
[18:46:16] ‹shockcannon› if you're assuming optimal play its not
[18:46:33] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day is fine for gaining info to create reads
[18:46:56] ‹shockcannon› but there's like 3 or 4 players here who insist on optimal town play, and that DOES NOT call for lynch every day
[18:46:59] ‹kaempfer13› if we assume optimal play only 1.5 roles matter for identifying
[18:47:17] ‹shockcannon› there are a lot of people here though who are assuming optimal play
[18:47:22] ‹shockcannon› and want town to do "optimal play"
[18:47:35] ‹kaempfer13› so that will never work out without the random successfull lynch
[18:47:36] ‹shockcannon› which would result in a 4 page thread with no interacting
[18:48:13] ‹shockcannon› random lynch just speeds things up for mafia
[18:48:24] ‹shockcannon› random lynching reduces the player count quicker
[18:48:39] ‹shockcannon› which gives golden nymph significantly knowledge
[18:48:48] ‹shockcannon› *significantly less knowledge
[18:48:58] ‹kaempfer13› random lynch is the most likely way to catch mafia
[18:49:01] ‹shockcannon› and increases the chances the golden nymph targets are killed before golden nymph can find 2-4 mafia
[18:49:33] ‹Linkcat› What shock is describing is exactly what would happen if 17 RootRangers played a game of mafia.
[18:49:49] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is the equally likely of a method to catching mafia as golden nymph
[18:49:57] ‹shockcannon› but it also works against the golden nymph mechanic
[18:49:59] ‹shockcannon› so yes
[18:50:04] ‹shockcannon› random lynch helps find mafia
[18:50:07] ‹shockcannon› but it hurts golden nymph
[18:50:10] ‹kaempfer13› golden nymph identifies half as many people as die, so counting on her is a losing play
[18:50:15] ‹shockcannon› so you're just losing what you gain
[18:50:42] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day means golden nymph identifies a quarter as many people as die
[18:50:53] ‹shockcannon› which is an even more losing play
[18:51:09] ‹Espithel› I'm really busy right now, so I'll address this in full later.
[18:51:48] ‹shockcannon› ALSO random lynching has the added negative of potentially voting up GN and either killing GN or forcing GN to reveal, which is killing GN
[18:51:50] ‹kaempfer13› yes, youre gonna want to get 1, maybe 2 lynches out of gn reveal and the rest has ro work out randomöy/through slipups
[18:52:17] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› exactly
[18:52:31] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching reduces the chances of GN find even 1 or 2 mafia
[18:52:38] ‹shockcannon› which means that the entire game becomes random lynching
[18:52:47] ‹shockcannon› so if you prefer that over the GN finds 1-2 mafia and then you do random
[18:52:48] ‹shockcannon› then sure
[18:52:55] ‹Espithel› But put simply, you argue that people should use tons of skills because, otherwise, the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:52:58] ‹kaempfer13› but not taking the shot while you have it is def a waste
[18:53:08] ‹Espithel› With no lynching, the same argument applies - the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:53:47] ‹kaempfer13› basically gn takes a lynchshot that most of the time will hit town just as well, just doesnt kill regardless of whether they hit mafia or not
[18:54:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Espithel› I just want to address people who are making claims about optimal strategy and then using logical fallacies in the midst
[18:54:41] ‹shockcannon› I really don't have the time, but if we assume optimal mafia and town play, no lynching is statistically the better option
[18:54:54] ‹shockcannon› I'm not going to waste my time running statistics that you guys won't even believe
[18:55:04] ‹shockcannon› but I made my point
[18:55:11] ‹shockcannon› this point isn't even related to me playing the mafia game
[18:55:40] ‹shockcannon› it's just people arguing false statistics
[18:55:53] ‹kaempfer13› so gn is half as powerfull as the regular lynch and everything else doesnt matter except for psychology
[18:56:24] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› gn can hot town and die before reveal you know
[18:56:46] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[18:56:53] ‹shockcannon› it's statistics
[18:56:56] ‹kaempfer13› and her odds are about the same as the lynch
[18:56:57] ‹shockcannon› anything is possible
[18:57:25] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is random
[18:57:29] ‹kaempfer13› but we get the lynch every round
[18:57:36] ‹shockcannon› GN is not random, and the only way that town gets any info
[18:57:46] ‹shockcannon› the more you lynch, the less GN you get
[18:57:53] ‹shockcannon› would you rather have more random, or less random?
[18:57:57] ‹MasterWalks› GN doesnt win the game
[18:58:07] ‹MasterWalks› You can lose GN N0 and still win
[18:58:11] ‹shockcannon› obviously gn doesn't win the game
[18:58:23] ‹shockcannon› do you guys get how statistics works?
[18:58:37] ‹shockcannon› you can also have GN never get killed and find all 4 mafia
[18:58:38] ‹MasterWalks› no
[18:58:50] ‹shockcannon›
[18:59:05] ‹shockcannon› i have an equal chance of rolling five 1s and five 9s
[18:59:15] ‹shockcannon› that doesn't make either of them likely
[18:59:41] ‹MasterWalks› rolling a 4, 9, 7, 5, 9 is also not likely
[18:59:45] ‹MasterWalks› but you just did it
[18:59:56] ‹MasterWalks› that couldve been a mafia lynch
[18:59:57] ‹shockcannon› its about odds
[19:00:00] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:00:03] ‹shockcannon› optimal play is about what happens the most
[19:00:04] ‹Espithel› ow that hurt walks
[19:00:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› im sowy, i wont huwt you no mowre uwu
[19:00:51] ‹MasterWalks› that hurt to type
[19:00:57] ‹shockcannon› @anyone who wants to argue about optimal play: do some googling on how statistics works a bit
[19:01:31] ‹shockcannon› Optimal play is going to fail plenty of times
[19:01:39] ‹MasterWalks› What are the statistics google brings up the page i want about statistics?
[19:01:39] ‹shockcannon› but it's going to fail less than other strategies
[19:01:52] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes, I get how statistic works (I study it) and lynching is the right play
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› okay
[19:02:25] ‹shockcannon› let's assume optimal play
[19:02:31] ‹shockcannon› lynching just gives us a shot at killing mafia
[19:02:49] ‹shockcannon› what the player turns after lynch means NOTHING because optimal play doesn't involve reads
[19:03:01] ‹kaempfer13› assuming gn lives until revealing!) no lynch=2deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:34] ‹MasterWalks› not lynching guarantees we dont kill a mafia
[19:03:58] ‹kaempfer13› lynch: 1 and a half deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:59] ‹shockcannon› not lyching gives GN more time, which is the only non-random factor in the game
[19:04:24] ‹MasterWalks› but keeps the chances of them finding mafia, which is just as low as lynching mafia
[19:04:49] ‹MasterWalks› Gn finding mafia is literally the same chance as lynching a mafia
[19:05:39] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:05:54] ‹shockcannon› asssuming 19 people alive
[19:05:58] ‹shockcannon› GN has 1/18 shot
[19:06:03] ‹shockcannon› sorry
[19:06:04] ‹shockcannon› 4/18
[19:06:10] ‹shockcannon› if you lynch with 19 people alive
[19:06:12] ‹shockcannon› town has 4/19
[19:06:14] ‹kaempfer13› well mafia can modify those odds at first, but that will expose them later and is pretty much the whole point of the game
[19:06:18] ‹shockcannon› because town will be voting on each other
[19:06:21] ‹shockcannon› GN will never search itself
[19:06:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› mafia doesn't need to modify those odds
[19:06:51] ‹shockcannon› those odds are already above 50% for them to win
[19:07:01] ‹shockcannon› they just play the odds every game and they win more than they lose
[19:07:13] ‹kaempfer13› townfolk well never vote on themselves either other than us placeholder
[19:07:18] ‹MasterWalks› If i was GN, i would search myself to find out who i really am.
[19:07:27] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› but other town will vote on other town
[19:07:40] ‹shockcannon› so 14/19 players are non-GN, non mafia
[19:07:44] ‹shockcannon› they will vote completely randomly
[19:07:57] ‹shockcannon› GN will never wsate a seearch on themselves
[19:08:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes but each town will not vote themselves, so its still same odds
[19:08:06] ‹MasterWalks› but its not random
[19:08:19] ‹MasterWalks› its based around reads
[19:08:39] ‹kaempfer13› above response was just typed slowly and followup to what i said, not reaction to you
[19:08:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› did you even read my post
[19:09:01] ‹shockcannon› That's what i'm arguing in my post
[19:09:05] ‹MasterWalks› i skimmed it
[19:09:17] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:19] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:21] ‹Espithel› Walks please
[19:09:25] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› its not the same odds
[19:09:49] ‹shockcannon› in a lynch, all 19 players are fair game
[19:09:57] ‹shockcannon› at night, only 18 players are fair game for GN search
[19:10:06] ‹kaempfer13› no, you yourselves are not
[19:10:09] ‹shockcannon› ADDITIONALLY
[19:10:24] ‹shockcannon› if GN knows players that are alive and their primary role
[19:10:29] ‹shockcannon› GN odds increase as time goes on
[19:10:41] ‹kaempfer13› just because another town may vote you doesnt mean that they in turn would vote themselves
[19:10:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i realize that
[19:10:56] ‹shockcannon› you're thinking about it from a single player's point of view
[19:11:07] ‹shockcannon› think of it overall
[19:11:23] ‹shockcannon› during the day, the odds a mafia gets voted up is 4/19
[19:11:28] ‹shockcannon› 19 players are fair game for voting
[19:11:35] ‹kaempfer13› if each town only has to look at 18 players, all of them do
[19:11:56] ‹kaempfer13› its so obvious its almost circular logic
[19:13:12] ‹shockcannon› yes
[19:13:23] ‹shockcannon› but we're assuming all players vote randomly on someone not themselves
[19:13:35] ‹shockcannon› this also leaves room for a two top voted players to tie
[19:13:39] ‹shockcannon› which would lead to no lynch
[19:13:57] ‹shockcannon› and if everyone revotes between the tied players, that's changing the odds
[19:14:10] ‹shockcannon› ALSO, GN has odds to be voted up, which then loses any advantage you had
[19:14:23] ‹shockcannon› and makes it all ENTIRELY random
[19:14:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› The entire point of his post is that if everyone didn't try to make reads and played like Root wants us to play, then the game would be stupid and boring, so we shouldn't play that way.
[19:14:40] ‹MasterWalks› Oh
[19:14:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i agree with shock then
[19:16:53] ‹Espithel› I am rubbing off on Walks way too much
[19:16:55] ‹Espithel› I need to stop
[19:18:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› tiebreaking doesnt change the odds so long as its done randomly and gn ability only gets marginally better post n3 (assuming no blocks) than just lynch, which is easily outdone by the fact that gn is susceptible to a number of things
[19:19:05] ‹kaempfer13› and there is simply no reason not to lynch when there is nothing better
[19:19:40] ‹shockcannon› keeping GN alive longer is better
[19:19:45] ‹kaempfer13› no lynch is also stupid for playing the game properly, since thats where all the mindgames happen
[19:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› playing the game proplery or optimally?
[19:20:06] ‹kaempfer13› so stop arguig for it or use legitimate math
[19:20:13] ‹shockcannon› because playing the game optimally involves 0 mindgames
[19:20:34] ‹shockcannon› the legitimate math is lynching negates the advantages of GN
[19:20:42] ‹Linkcat› Guys, what type of boring play is optimal is not even relevant to the point.
[19:20:48] ‹Linkcat› There's no use arguing about it.
[19:20:51] ‹shockcannon› GN gets lets chances to investigate over the course of the game
[19:21:08] ‹kaempfer13› which i have proven is roughly half as good as using the damn lynch
[19:21:10] ‹shockcannon› and town likely kills off GN confirmed targets
[19:21:16] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:21:55] ‹shockcannon› Not lynching until GN reveals or GN dies will work out better more often than random lynching every day
[19:22:10] ‹shockcannon› there will be plenty of times when it fails
[19:22:17] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching also fails a heck ton
[19:22:36] ‹DoubleCapitals› I'll compile this once y'all are done
[19:23:14] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you do realize, I don't give a crap about optimal play right?
[19:24:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› Hey can you update OP to link to this current phase please
[19:25:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› hey
[19:25:50] ‹Linkcat› Yo
[19:25:50] ‹shockcannon› i dont know if you're a town or not
[19:25:51] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am not authorized to edit Submachine's posts
[19:26:21] ‹shockcannon› but i don't like get yelled for not playing boring
[19:26:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› its fine to have fun, but you refuse the very basics of mafia and math alike
[19:26:58] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› ahh damn ok
[19:27:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i'm not going to continue to argue statistics
[19:27:22] ‹shockcannon› Also, I can almost guarantee I have played more mafia than everyone on this forum combined
[19:27:34] ‹shockcannon› so if you wanna argue experience go ahead
[19:27:45] ‹shockcannon› granted, haven't played with this whack rulest
[19:27:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i dont believe that one bit
[19:28:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› he said the word we like
[19:28:19] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› wow, how often do you live past day 2 (assuming you play with strangers)?
[19:28:25] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:30] ‹MasterWalks› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:50] ‹Espithel› I'm not even taking the piss
[19:28:53] ‹Espithel› It's just a fun thing to say
[19:29:47] ‹shockcannon› How long someone lives in a mafia game means nothing
[19:29:50] ‹shockcannon› how often they win does
[19:30:07] ‹shockcannon› let's assume mathman101 is town
[19:30:11] ‹shockcannon› is he helping town right now?
[19:30:59] ‹MasterWalks› we went from orchestrate to experience. Now the next word will be O P T I M A L
[19:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› feel free to follow root
[19:31:55] ‹kaempfer13› the only reason you live to day 3 is because we had to accept that just bc you play abyssmally doesnt mean your mafia out of e x p e r i e n c e (yh i forced that word in there)
[19:32:03] ‹shockcannon› he had literally everyone's info last game as ash and lynched like 4 straight town
[19:32:50] ‹shockcannon› you think i play abyssmally because you think there's only one way to play this game
[19:32:57] ‹Espithel› The next word is H O N O U R A B L E F I F T H
[19:34:11] ‹kaempfer13› apparently at least one of them lied/omitted info and noone explained to them that there is literally no reason not to pm a confirmed town everything you have
[19:34:45] ‹kaempfer13› (unless pms are banned ofc)
[19:35:41] ‹shockcannon› actually someone in chat said they did give root everything and root said he missed a message
[19:37:37] ‹shockcannon› Because there's is literally only 1 role (minus the rare chance of GA protection) that can find mafia in this ruleset, chaos is required to force conversations and role claims that allow for reads to give town the edge
[19:37:47] ‹Linkcat› Everybody he voted for lied or didn't give him information, except Sub and the person you mentioned who I think was iancu.
[19:37:58] ‹shockcannon› if you look at any other mafia game out there that has 15+ players, there are multiple ways to find mafia
[19:38:34] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia there was also the firefly role
[19:38:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› not ture
[19:38:38] ‹Linkcat› You don't need random role claims to make reads, that's the main thing you're wrong about. You only need to claim when you find something suspicious.
[19:38:38] ‹shockcannon› *true
[19:39:00] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› but you'll never find anything suspicious with this ruleset unless someone misplays
[19:39:11] ‹shockcannon› And I addressed misplays in my post
[19:39:14] ‹Linkcat› None of the claims this game fit that category.
[19:39:48] ‹shockcannon› but insig claim for example
[19:39:57] ‹shockcannon› is a misplay in that he blocked when we said he shouldn't block
[19:40:07] ‹shockcannon› so that claim stemmed from a misplay itself
[19:40:10] ‹shockcannon› along with anubis
[19:40:17] ‹shockcannon› along mind flayers
[19:40:21] ‹shockcannon› along with otyughs
[19:40:26] ‹Linkcat› They don't necessarily have to misplay, you read based off of tone, votes, who pushes who, who defends who, etc.
[19:40:52] ‹Linkcat› It's all a bunch of bullshit in the beginning and then it gets figured out later on.
[19:40:59] ‹shockcannon› if you're able to read off tones, votes, and pushes, then someone's misplaying
[19:41:00] ‹Linkcat› That's what I'm trying to do with my recent post.
[19:41:27] ‹Linkcat› We have enough information for me to make a possible full reading of the game.
[19:41:42] ‹shockcannon› i wonder who got that information to come out
[19:41:43] ‹Linkcat› If I'm wrong then I'll have to reevaluate with the new information gained.
[19:42:19] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i'm dying today
[19:42:21] ‹Linkcat› Not you lol, I'm basing everything off of votes and tone reads.
[19:42:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› im not sure about this
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› I'll try my best to not have that happen.
[19:43:01] ‹kaempfer13› hammering dd in any harderwhen hed flip town would call the overkillvoter into question
[19:43:29] ‹kaempfer13› so mafia at that point probably just thought, let em do it
[19:43:50] ‹kaempfer13› and then we just didnt
[19:44:19] ‹kaempfer13› which ishonestly worse for us as now that topic will never go away
[19:44:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› youre reads should come from who in chat is trying to mislead everyone
[19:45:41] ‹Linkcat› I don't understand what you're trying to say, kaempfer.
[19:46:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks›
[19:46:23] ‹kaempfer13› if dd had 6 townvotes at the time, mafia could just sit back
[19:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[19:47:12] ‹shockcannon› we alone could probably get someone lynched
[19:47:13] ‹kaempfer13› there was no need for them to push further
[19:47:15] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe that a town dd had 5 or 6 votes who were all town.
[19:47:22] ‹Linkcat› Mafia would 100% be on there somewhere.
[19:48:55] ‹kaempfer13› dd had just gotten someone from town killed (out of selfdefense) and with nothing much else to go by everyone voted him
[19:49:25] ‹shockcannon› @Espithel
[19:49:42] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[19:49:48] ‹Linkcat› Yes, so mafia would push that.
[19:49:55] ‹shockcannon› would you two make a move on Mobian with me?
[19:50:06] ‹Espithel› Mobian, eh?
[19:50:21] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason why?
[19:51:30] ‹shockcannon› questionable voting
[19:51:34] ‹shockcannon› relatively quiet
[19:51:35] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› not mobian but im down to lynch dd
[19:51:36] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon›
[19:51:41] ‹shockcannon› ian voted on him
[19:51:50] ‹MasterWalks› he doesnt have questionable voting imo
[19:51:58] ‹shockcannon› once said, "do you really think I'd get mafia two games in a row?"
[19:52:11] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› he's literally voting on you now
[19:52:11] ‹MasterWalks› who cares if ian voted him. ian is dead and not GN
[19:52:15] ‹shockcannon› and he voted ian last round
[19:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› i dont care if hes voting me
[19:52:26] ‹kaempfer13› 6 votes seemed pretty final and only after that things changed too quickly for a team to react to it
[19:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› he has every right to. I have voting patterns apparently. Doesnt look like he has a following so i have no reason to defend either
[19:53:03] ‹shockcannon› okay
[19:53:04] ‹shockcannon› what about moehrpi
[19:53:11] ‹shockcannon› i've thought he's mafia since n0
[19:53:15] ‹shockcannon› that hasn't changed
[19:53:16] ‹MasterWalks› what about dd
[19:53:25] ‹shockcannon› I havne't pushed because I know i'd get 0 support
[19:54:42] ‹MasterWalks› yea ad i thought espi is mafia since N0 as well and that also hasnt changed but no one will lynch him
[19:55:00] ‹shockcannon› eh
[19:55:04] ‹shockcannon› are you mafia?
[19:55:29] ‹shockcannon› espithel's dump never came
[19:55:33] ‹shockcannon› i'll switch to espithel
[19:55:34] ‹MasterWalks› probably not
[19:55:35] ‹shockcannon› we get moehrpi tomorrow
[19:55:39] ‹shockcannon› get insig to join us
[19:55:42] ‹shockcannon› bad townies unite
[19:55:43] ‹kaempfer13› normally i would expect those emergency votes to indeed come from mafia to safe a buddy, but it was different people saving him
[19:55:50] ‹shockcannon› there's so many bad townies we wont get outvoted
[19:55:59] ‹MasterWalks› i cant PM insig about mafia and he doesnt talk to me in publi
[19:56:02] ‹MasterWalks› public
[19:56:24] ‹shockcannon› alright
[19:56:30] ‹shockcannon› i'm on espithel now
[19:56:40] ‹MasterWalks› get on that d
[19:56:41] ‹MasterWalks› dd
[19:56:49] ‹shockcannon› nah
[19:56:55] ‹shockcannon› i've giving you your chance
[19:57:00] ‹Espithel› My dump never came because coffee made it absolutely pointless.
[19:57:05] ‹shockcannon› take it or leave it
[19:57:28] ‹Espithel› I can get back to it if you want, though. I'd have to sleep now to get it done before deadline.
[19:57:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› No, move to Espi.
[19:57:37] ‹Linkcat› I mean dd
[19:58:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› uh?
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why are you voting shock? He's town.
[19:59:21] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› Why do you believe that?
[19:59:34] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› let them vote me
[19:59:42] ‹Linkcat› I read his posts.
[19:59:46] ‹shockcannon› I'm exposing the ACTUAL bad townies and a couple maf right now
[19:59:51] ‹Coffeeditto› Great.
[20:00:44] ‹Linkcat› Especially this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[20:00:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› town would rather see me die and lose so they can blame my poor play than actually win the game at this point
[20:00:53] ‹Linkcat› That's the towniest shit I've ever seen.
[20:01:58] ‹Coffeeditto› how?
[20:02:16] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› I thought you were town until one line
[20:02:37] ‹Coffeeditto› [22:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[20:02:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› I need like 99% certainty ddevans is maf for me to switch to him
[20:03:00] ‹Linkcat› I would watch that movie.
[20:03:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› so what are you hoping for?
[20:03:30] ‹shockcannon› i flip mafia
[20:03:37] ‹shockcannon› and then masterwalks becomes easy lynch
[20:03:39] ‹Coffeeditto› I'm not hoping for anything
[20:03:46] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't hope for anything in games like this
[20:03:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› read my vote and see why you should lynch dd
[20:04:28] ‹Coffeeditto› My desires and expectations are not getting in the way of my win condition. I'm not doing this for any reason other than trying to win
[20:04:35] ‹kaempfer13› alright I cant watch this
[20:04:45] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› I honestly don't understand the sentences you're making. Do you believe it's possible that dd was up for lynch as town Day 2 and not a single mafia voted for him?
[20:04:59] ‹Coffeeditto› My current scum reads are Link/Shock/Master/unknown
[20:05:08] ‹kaempfer13› if this is another day where dd has 6 votes on him Ill make sure he actually dies so we can finally move on
[20:05:25] ‹Linkcat› Thanks, I guess.
[20:05:38] ‹Coffeeditto› you wanted reads, Link
[20:05:39] ‹Linkcat› Coffee, why do you think I'm mafia?
[20:05:43] ‹Coffeeditto› there are your reads
[20:05:54] ‹Linkcat› Your reads are ass.
[20:05:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't have to say. I reserve my 5th amendment rights
[20:05:59] ‹kaempfer13› but pushing him constantly allows everyone else to just chill and 2 towns die with each lynch opportunity
[20:06:06] ‹Coffeeditto› that's a fallacy
[20:07:07] ‹Linkcat› Not if we lynch him.
[20:07:21] ‹kaempfer13› how are we going to get reads of other people if all that matters is there opinion about ahock and dd?
[20:07:47] ‹kaempfer13› oh boy horrible grammar sorry
[20:07:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› Heres is what we should do. Lets pressure moe or espi until they reveal something, then lets vote hop to dd and get the lynch
[20:08:05] ‹Linkcat› I believe that when we lynch dd as mafia we'll be able to make a lot of reads.
[20:08:12] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@kaempfer13› if dd or shock are mafia, then the reactions of others throughout the game to their respective lynchings provides info
[20:08:32] ‹Linkcat› How about we stop trying to get people to reveal information to the mafia?
[20:08:34] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› that line is scummy as hell??
[20:08:39] ‹Coffeeditto› why would you try to reveal
[20:08:41] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah
[20:08:45] ‹Coffeeditto› agreed, LInk
[20:09:00] ‹MasterWalks› not role reveal necessarily
[20:09:13] ‹MasterWalks› okay no that line is scummy af
[20:09:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› YOU JUST CLAIMED YOUR ROLE AND ALL YOUR TARGETS FOR LITERALLY NO REASON
[20:09:28] ‹Linkcat› I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS FROM YOU
[20:09:31] ‹shockcannon› if one you knows the identity of a mind flayer thats not me, you should reveal
[20:09:34] ‹Coffeeditto› there's no reason to vote and pressure info out of someone right now instead of just pushing a full lynch on them. especially when you just let everyone know you won't actually lynch espi, then he feels no need to reveal any info
[20:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:09:41] ‹MasterWalks› id delete if it wasnt about mafia. just ignore that
[20:09:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› don't let your emotions or preconceptions get in the way of your playing mafia.
[20:10:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[20:10:11] ‹Coffeeditto› what I did has nothing to do with what we are doing right now
[20:10:14] ‹shockcannon› everyone voting me is letting their emotions get in the way
[20:10:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› Can I just say I hope you don't get modkilled
[20:10:25] ‹Espithel› I like you
[20:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› that's not true at all
[20:10:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› what do we get if dd is town?
[20:10:43] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you chief
[20:11:15] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› half the people voting me admit that they think i'm town
[20:11:27] ‹MasterWalks› we get to lynch linkcat for O R C H E S T R A T I N G
[20:11:33] ‹Coffeeditto› great. don't say everyone if you don't mean everyone
[20:11:37] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› We get fill in a heck of a lot of that vote chart with green.
[20:11:42] ‹Coffeeditto› because you don't know everyone's motives
[20:11:53] ‹Coffeeditto› also, in reference to:
[20:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:12:11] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› how so?
[20:12:16] ‹Linkcat› And then I'll push a lynch on you, Calin, or Mobian.
[20:12:43] ‹Coffeeditto› that doesn't change that now he knows he wouldn't be lynched if your ulterior goal is to lynch dd. he would feel no need to reveal info unless you were okay and willing to lynch him, which would mean that you scumread both espi and dd
[20:12:43] ‹Linkcat› We make every dd green and he'd be a leading wagon all three days.
[20:13:04] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› why would i be roleblocked by town after claiming GN
[20:13:16] ‹kaempfer13› green would mean that you think everyone that either did or didnt vote dd is town
[20:13:33] ‹kaempfer13› but you just said mafia would push for a dd lynch
[20:13:38] ‹MasterWalks› lol everyone is mafia
[20:14:00] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› how is that line relevant to the current conversation?
[20:14:09] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Yes, I don't think we're going to fill in his name as green.
[20:14:14] ‹kaempfer13› so if hes green we can expect about 1 or 2 mafia among the votes according to your premises
[20:14:22] ‹shockcannon› [23:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:14:32] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[20:15:15] ‹kaempfer13› but it could be any of them
[20:15:59] ‹Coffeeditto› okay check this out. if you're mafia, then you could have claimed GN and faked being roleblocked
[20:16:16] ‹kaempfer13› sure dd is mentioned a lot, but just filling his name green alone doesnt take us that far
[20:16:19] ‹Linkcat› A lot of those people are being townread by me or are me so that will narrow it down a lot.
[20:16:24] ‹Coffeeditto› if someone else claimed to have roleblocked you, they also could be a lying mafia
[20:16:28] ‹Linkcat› Plus everything we would get from the votes today.
[20:16:38] ‹MasterWalks› i dont understand what everyone means by green
[20:16:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› okay check this out
[20:17:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› its convention to mark confirmed towmmembers with green
[20:17:10] ‹shockcannon› literally anyone else who role claimed could've lied
[20:17:16] ‹shockcannon› and had their mafia teammate be their target and lie
[20:17:16] ‹kaempfer13› as I did in my lynchlog
[20:17:20] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah, you right
[20:17:22] ‹Coffeeditto› so what?
[20:17:25] ‹kaempfer13› (they are all dead)
[20:17:46] ‹MasterWalks› oh, so we can assume that everyone who voted dd is "green" meaning they are town? That makes no sense to me
[20:17:54] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› It will take us farther than anyone else's name being filled in green, and if he's red like I expect then that'll take us way farther than anyone else's name being filled in red.
[20:18:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› no just dd will flip town
[20:18:15] ‹MasterWalks› oh ok
[20:18:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› do you think i'm mafia
[20:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› We have another memeword now
[20:19:33] ‹kaempfer13› i argue thats not enough
[20:19:34] ‹Espithel› W E A K T O W N
[20:19:47] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› O P T I M A L is still my vote
[20:19:56] ‹MasterWalks› weaktown is good too tho
[20:20:06] ‹MasterWalks› but hasnt been said enough
[20:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› give me your reason why espithel is mafia
[20:20:12] ‹shockcannon› because if the three of us teamed
[20:20:21] ‹shockcannon› we can make something happen and ignore town and mafia distractions
[20:20:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Who do you want to lynch, then?
[20:20:28] ‹Linkcat› Push a read.
[20:20:43] ‹MasterWalks› its in my Day 1 votes
[20:20:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i have an idea
[20:21:04] ‹shockcannon› do you agree that mafia is likely guiding town attention and voting?
[20:21:22] ‹Linkcat› No, I think mafia is mostly hanging back.
[20:21:39] ‹shockcannon› then we gather the 8 most quiet people
[20:21:42] ‹shockcannon› and we 1d8
[20:21:44] ‹shockcannon› and go for it
[20:21:48] ‹MasterWalks› i dont know about that.
[20:22:02] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› W E A K T O W N playing S U B O P T I M A L L Y
[20:22:03] ‹shockcannon› its the O P T I M A L play
[20:22:12] ‹shockcannon› 50/50 chance
[20:22:13] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe in lynching randomly in a group.
[20:22:15] ‹shockcannon› it doesn't get better than that
[20:22:21] ‹MasterWalks› quiet people are already getting killed off. mafia will paint themself into a corner if they are being quiet and killing the quiet
[20:22:24] ‹Linkcat› I tried to push math and nobody followed.
[20:22:34] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:22:42] ‹Coffeeditto› both of these things are not mutually exclusive
[20:22:55] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› afk or quiet does not mean mafia
[20:23:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› basically you believe that a secondary role (randomly given to mafia and town alike) and a rule question expose him
[20:23:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i'm 99% certain 1 of the 5 people voting on me now is mafia
[20:23:19] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› why?
[20:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:23:43] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› That's your reasoning for me?
[20:23:45] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› wait what? when did i say that
[20:23:46] ‹Espithel› The day one stuff?
[20:23:50] ‹Espithel› It's day 3
[20:23:51] ‹Espithel› C'mon
[20:23:53] ‹Espithel› Update your shit
[20:23:54] ‹shockcannon› the town move is to vote on me
[20:23:55] ‹Linkcat› All we got was a vote on the leading train and my biggest townread.
[20:23:58] ‹shockcannon› i hurt town
[20:24:00] ‹Espithel› I must've done something spooky since then
[20:24:01] ‹Linkcat› Pretty scummy if you ask me.
[20:24:04] ‹shockcannon› so what's the mafia blend in play?
[20:24:08] ‹shockcannon› it's to vote on me also
[20:24:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› you asked for a roleblock and sth about espi being ffq if hes mafia
[20:24:43] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:24:44] ‹shockcannon› and suppose Linkcat is town and is on to something
[20:24:44] ‹Espithel› Not necessarily.
[20:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› it didnt really make sense for sure
[20:24:56] ‹shockcannon› well if they get my vote count high
[20:24:59] ‹shockcannon› town is going to ignore LInkcat
[20:25:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› I think the mafia love you.
[20:25:11] ‹Espithel› Look at how they're lynching - quiet people.
[20:25:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› I think there's 2 mafia on you.
[20:25:18] ‹shockcannon› no one cares about a single vote on someone when someone else has 5 votes
[20:25:19] ‹Coffeeditto› if your argument is that the people left alive makes that statistically true, then you're statistically incorrect
[20:25:25] ‹Espithel› It implies a contentness with how the town is going.
[20:25:26] ‹Coffeeditto› also please answer instead of dodging
[20:25:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i just answered why
[20:25:45] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:25:56] ‹shockcannon› what am I dodging?
[20:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› ok. You want to know how mafia is playing? Literally look how espi is playing. but there is a problem. No one is playing like him. My guess is mafia is "splitting up" and taking on different strategies. One is probably quiet, one is super talkative (espi), one is playing strategically, and the last one is probably playing dumb
[20:26:08] ‹shockcannon› mafia is voting on me to make other votes irrelevant
[20:26:31] ‹Coffeeditto› voting on someone to reveal info is something you fought against half an hour ago
[20:26:40] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› but you don't know that
[20:26:43] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Move to dd and make them pay attention.
[20:26:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› espi being FFQ i fell back on. I thought about it more and dunno if thats true. i DO think he is mafia so therefore i want him blocked
[20:26:49] ‹Coffeeditto› and you're acting like this is all certain
[20:26:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› obviously
[20:26:56] ‹Linkcat› Talking is not the same as revealing.
[20:27:07] ‹Linkcat› He literally has 5 posts.
[20:27:13] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› i gotta be honest with you the only other viable options i see are quiet people, shock, dd, you and rootranger
[20:27:14] ‹Coffeeditto› but this isn't, and you don't definitely know what's going on, so don't say 99% when you don't mean 99%
[20:27:15] ‹Linkcat› One of those is his signup post.
[20:27:20] • Espithel 's urge to roleclaim fucking spikes through the roof
[20:27:25] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› I fell back on that too. I said to please ignore that strategy
[20:27:28] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› why do you want him to talk? for a scum read?
[20:27:49] ‹Coffeeditto› we certainly aren't scum reading anyone based on their low activity of posts this game
[20:27:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Great, out of those let's lynch dd, quiet people, and Root in that order.
[20:28:16] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet doesn't mean scummy
[20:28:18] ‹Coffeeditto› I repeat
[20:28:22] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet does not mean scummy
[20:28:32] ‹Espithel› It does, however, mean useless.
[20:28:40] ‹shockcannon› here's the real question of the day
[20:28:45] ‹shockcannon› if I AM mafia
[20:28:51] ‹shockcannon› does that mean I'm actually playing really well?
[20:29:01] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[20:29:02] ‹Linkcat› If you're quiet then you're not helping town advance the game.
[20:29:06] ‹shockcannon› or am I bad mafia then?
[20:29:15] ‹Espithel› You faffed day 3
[20:29:18] ‹kaempfer13› yh, but its not helping town in a way thats obvious to even the dumbest player thats town
[20:29:26] ‹MasterWalks› no body cares if youre mafia. you will probably be lynched soon and if you are mafia, you will slip up,
[20:29:36] ‹Linkcat› You just leave yourself as a question mark for mafia to lead a mislynch on in the endgame.
[20:29:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Well
[20:29:44] ‹Coffeeditto› okay, here's my thought process
[20:29:51] ‹MyNameIsJoey› mafia sure gave a new life to blab.
[20:29:58] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› If you're mafia then you're a god.
[20:30:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Also, yeah. It's reasonable that all the mafia have different behaviour.
[20:30:05] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're quiet, you're not helping town and you're not helping mafia, or they're about the same
[20:30:21] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› if me being mafia is such a rare possibility
[20:30:24] ‹shockcannon› why is everyone voting me up?
[20:30:28] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're saying so much that people are forced to claim, you're not helping town as much as you're helping maf
[20:30:50] ‹Linkcat› Being active is always more beneficial to town than to mafia.
[20:30:56] ‹shockcannon› I haven't forced a single person to claim
[20:31:08] ‹Coffeeditto› that's not true at all
[20:31:10] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Because they're bad.
[20:31:15] ‹Coffeeditto› you can't make that blanket statement
[20:31:21] ‹MasterWalks› (im not going to post this log. I posted the last log and it mentally drained me)
[20:31:23] ‹Linkcat› I am having some serious deja vu right now.
[20:31:25] ‹shockcannon› I can
[20:31:30] ‹Coffeeditto› also, that was a fallacy. don't call people that don't agree with you bad players
[20:31:38] ‹Linkcat› Like double layered deja vu.
[20:31:40] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur bad
[20:31:47] ‹MasterWalks› deja bow
[20:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› thats what 4/5 players voting me are doing
[20:31:51] ‹shockcannon› or 3/5
[20:31:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur mama is bad
[20:32:00] ‹shockcannon› root doesnt agree with me
[20:32:06] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :sillyspin:
[20:32:20] ‹shockcannon› calindu doesnt agree with me
[20:32:20] ‹Espithel› Root's argument against you goes a lot deeper than just not agreeing with you
[20:32:21] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› also @masterwalks
[20:32:35] ‹shockcannon› root only lynches town
[20:32:38] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Okay, they're bad or they're mafia or they're just tired of his shit, which is a bad reason to lynch, or they're Root in possible combination with any of those.
[19:37:47] ‹Linkcat› Everybody he voted for lied or didn't give him information, except Sub and the person you mentioned who I think was iancu.
[19:37:58] ‹shockcannon› if you look at any other mafia game out there that has 15+ players, there are multiple ways to find mafia
[19:38:34] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia there was also the firefly role
[19:38:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› not ture
[19:38:38] ‹Linkcat› You don't need random role claims to make reads, that's the main thing you're wrong about. You only need to claim when you find something suspicious.
[19:38:38] ‹shockcannon› *true
[19:39:00] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› but you'll never find anything suspicious with this ruleset unless someone misplays
[19:39:11] ‹shockcannon› And I addressed misplays in my post
[19:39:14] ‹Linkcat› None of the claims this game fit that category.
[19:39:48] ‹shockcannon› but insig claim for example
[19:39:57] ‹shockcannon› is a misplay in that he blocked when we said he shouldn't block
[19:40:07] ‹shockcannon› so that claim stemmed from a misplay itself
[19:40:10] ‹shockcannon› along with anubis
[19:40:17] ‹shockcannon› along mind flayers
[19:40:21] ‹shockcannon› along with otyughs
[19:40:26] ‹Linkcat› They don't necessarily have to misplay, you read based off of tone, votes, who pushes who, who defends who, etc.
[19:40:52] ‹Linkcat› It's all a bunch of bullshit in the beginning and then it gets figured out later on.
[19:40:59] ‹shockcannon› if you're able to read off tones, votes, and pushes, then someone's misplaying
[19:41:00] ‹Linkcat› That's what I'm trying to do with my recent post.
[19:41:27] ‹Linkcat› We have enough information for me to make a possible full reading of the game.
[19:41:42] ‹shockcannon› i wonder who got that information to come out
[19:41:43] ‹Linkcat› If I'm wrong then I'll have to reevaluate with the new information gained.
[19:42:19] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i'm dying today
[19:42:21] ‹Linkcat› Not you lol, I'm basing everything off of votes and tone reads.
[19:42:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› im not sure about this
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› I'll try my best to not have that happen.
[19:43:01] ‹kaempfer13› hammering dd in any harderwhen hed flip town would call the overkillvoter into question
[19:43:29] ‹kaempfer13› so mafia at that point probably just thought, let em do it
[19:43:50] ‹kaempfer13› and then we just didnt
[19:44:19] ‹kaempfer13› which ishonestly worse for us as now that topic will never go away
[19:44:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› youre reads should come from who in chat is trying to mislead everyone
[19:45:41] ‹Linkcat› I don't understand what you're trying to say, kaempfer.
[19:46:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks›
[19:46:23] ‹kaempfer13› if dd had 6 townvotes at the time, mafia could just sit back
[19:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[19:47:12] ‹shockcannon› we alone could probably get someone lynched
[19:47:13] ‹kaempfer13› there was no need for them to push further
[19:47:15] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe that a town dd had 5 or 6 votes who were all town.
[19:47:22] ‹Linkcat› Mafia would 100% be on there somewhere.
[19:48:55] ‹kaempfer13› dd had just gotten someone from town killed (out of selfdefense) and with nothing much else to go by everyone voted him
[19:49:25] ‹shockcannon› @Espithel
[19:49:42] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[19:49:48] ‹Linkcat› Yes, so mafia would push that.
[19:49:55] ‹shockcannon› would you two make a move on Mobian with me?
[19:50:06] ‹Espithel› Mobian, eh?
[19:50:21] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason why?
[19:51:30] ‹shockcannon› questionable voting
[19:51:34] ‹shockcannon› relatively quiet
[19:51:35] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› not mobian but im down to lynch dd
[19:51:36] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon›
[19:51:41] ‹shockcannon› ian voted on him
[19:51:50] ‹MasterWalks› he doesnt have questionable voting imo
[19:51:58] ‹shockcannon› once said, "do you really think I'd get mafia two games in a row?"
[19:52:11] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› he's literally voting on you now
[19:52:11] ‹MasterWalks› who cares if ian voted him. ian is dead and not GN
[19:52:15] ‹shockcannon› and he voted ian last round
[19:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› i dont care if hes voting me
[19:52:26] ‹kaempfer13› 6 votes seemed pretty final and only after that things changed too quickly for a team to react to it
[19:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› he has every right to. I have voting patterns apparently. Doesnt look like he has a following so i have no reason to defend either
[19:53:03] ‹shockcannon› okay
[19:53:04] ‹shockcannon› what about moehrpi
[19:53:11] ‹shockcannon› i've thought he's mafia since n0
[19:53:15] ‹shockcannon› that hasn't changed
[19:53:16] ‹MasterWalks› what about dd
[19:53:25] ‹shockcannon› I havne't pushed because I know i'd get 0 support
[19:54:42] ‹MasterWalks› yea ad i thought espi is mafia since N0 as well and that also hasnt changed but no one will lynch him
[19:55:00] ‹shockcannon› eh
[19:55:04] ‹shockcannon› are you mafia?
[19:55:29] ‹shockcannon› espithel's dump never came
[19:55:33] ‹shockcannon› i'll switch to espithel
[19:55:34] ‹MasterWalks› probably not
[19:55:35] ‹shockcannon› we get moehrpi tomorrow
[19:55:39] ‹shockcannon› get insig to join us
[19:55:42] ‹shockcannon› bad townies unite
[19:55:43] ‹kaempfer13› normally i would expect those emergency votes to indeed come from mafia to safe a buddy, but it was different people saving him
[19:55:50] ‹shockcannon› there's so many bad townies we wont get outvoted
[19:55:59] ‹MasterWalks› i cant PM insig about mafia and he doesnt talk to me in publi
[19:56:02] ‹MasterWalks› public
[19:56:24] ‹shockcannon› alright
[19:56:30] ‹shockcannon› i'm on espithel now
[19:56:40] ‹MasterWalks› get on that d
[19:56:41] ‹MasterWalks› dd
[19:56:49] ‹shockcannon› nah
[19:56:55] ‹shockcannon› i've giving you your chance
[19:57:00] ‹Espithel› My dump never came because coffee made it absolutely pointless.
[19:57:05] ‹shockcannon› take it or leave it
[19:57:28] ‹Espithel› I can get back to it if you want, though. I'd have to sleep now to get it done before deadline.
[19:57:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› No, move to Espi.
[19:57:37] ‹Linkcat› I mean dd
[19:58:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› uh?
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why are you voting shock? He's town.
[19:59:21] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› Why do you believe that?
[19:59:34] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› let them vote me
[19:59:42] ‹Linkcat› I read his posts.
[19:59:46] ‹shockcannon› I'm exposing the ACTUAL bad townies and a couple maf right now
[19:59:51] ‹Coffeeditto› Great.
[20:00:44] ‹Linkcat› Especially this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[20:00:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› town would rather see me die and lose so they can blame my poor play than actually win the game at this point
[20:00:53] ‹Linkcat› That's the towniest shit I've ever seen.
[20:01:58] ‹Coffeeditto› how?
[20:02:16] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› I thought you were town until one line
[20:02:37] ‹Coffeeditto› [22:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[20:02:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› I need like 99% certainty ddevans is maf for me to switch to him
[20:03:00] ‹Linkcat› I would watch that movie.
[20:03:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› so what are you hoping for?
[20:03:30] ‹shockcannon› i flip mafia
[20:03:37] ‹shockcannon› and then masterwalks becomes easy lynch
[20:03:39] ‹Coffeeditto› I'm not hoping for anything
[20:03:46] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't hope for anything in games like this
[20:03:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› read my vote and see why you should lynch dd
[20:04:28] ‹Coffeeditto› My desires and expectations are not getting in the way of my win condition. I'm not doing this for any reason other than trying to win
[20:04:35] ‹kaempfer13› alright I cant watch this
[20:04:45] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› I honestly don't understand the sentences you're making. Do you believe it's possible that dd was up for lynch as town Day 2 and not a single mafia voted for him?
[20:04:59] ‹Coffeeditto› My current scum reads are Link/Shock/Master/unknown
[20:05:08] ‹kaempfer13› if this is another day where dd has 6 votes on him Ill make sure he actually dies so we can finally move on
[20:05:25] ‹Linkcat› Thanks, I guess.
[20:05:38] ‹Coffeeditto› you wanted reads, Link
[20:05:39] ‹Linkcat› Coffee, why do you think I'm mafia?
[20:05:43] ‹Coffeeditto› there are your reads
[20:05:54] ‹Linkcat› Your reads are ass.
[20:05:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't have to say. I reserve my 5th amendment rights
[20:05:59] ‹kaempfer13› but pushing him constantly allows everyone else to just chill and 2 towns die with each lynch opportunity
[20:06:06] ‹Coffeeditto› that's a fallacy
[20:07:07] ‹Linkcat› Not if we lynch him.
[20:07:21] ‹kaempfer13› how are we going to get reads of other people if all that matters is there opinion about ahock and dd?
[20:07:47] ‹kaempfer13› oh boy horrible grammar sorry
[20:07:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› Heres is what we should do. Lets pressure moe or espi until they reveal something, then lets vote hop to dd and get the lynch
[20:08:05] ‹Linkcat› I believe that when we lynch dd as mafia we'll be able to make a lot of reads.
[20:08:12] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@kaempfer13› if dd or shock are mafia, then the reactions of others throughout the game to their respective lynchings provides info
[20:08:32] ‹Linkcat› How about we stop trying to get people to reveal information to the mafia?
[20:08:34] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› that line is scummy as hell??
[20:08:39] ‹Coffeeditto› why would you try to reveal
[20:08:41] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah
[20:08:45] ‹Coffeeditto› agreed, LInk
[20:09:00] ‹MasterWalks› not role reveal necessarily
[20:09:13] ‹MasterWalks› okay no that line is scummy af
[20:09:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› YOU JUST CLAIMED YOUR ROLE AND ALL YOUR TARGETS FOR LITERALLY NO REASON
[20:09:28] ‹Linkcat› I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS FROM YOU
[20:09:31] ‹shockcannon› if one you knows the identity of a mind flayer thats not me, you should reveal
[20:09:34] ‹Coffeeditto› there's no reason to vote and pressure info out of someone right now instead of just pushing a full lynch on them. especially when you just let everyone know you won't actually lynch espi, then he feels no need to reveal any info
[20:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:09:41] ‹MasterWalks› id delete if it wasnt about mafia. just ignore that
[20:09:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› don't let your emotions or preconceptions get in the way of your playing mafia.
[20:10:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[20:10:11] ‹Coffeeditto› what I did has nothing to do with what we are doing right now
[20:10:14] ‹shockcannon› everyone voting me is letting their emotions get in the way
[20:10:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› Can I just say I hope you don't get modkilled
[20:10:25] ‹Espithel› I like you
[20:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› that's not true at all
[20:10:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› what do we get if dd is town?
[20:10:43] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you chief
[20:11:15] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› half the people voting me admit that they think i'm town
[20:11:27] ‹MasterWalks› we get to lynch linkcat for O R C H E S T R A T I N G
[20:11:33] ‹Coffeeditto› great. don't say everyone if you don't mean everyone
[20:11:37] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› We get fill in a heck of a lot of that vote chart with green.
[20:11:42] ‹Coffeeditto› because you don't know everyone's motives
[20:11:53] ‹Coffeeditto› also, in reference to:
[20:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:12:11] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› how so?
[20:12:16] ‹Linkcat› And then I'll push a lynch on you, Calin, or Mobian.
[20:12:43] ‹Coffeeditto› that doesn't change that now he knows he wouldn't be lynched if your ulterior goal is to lynch dd. he would feel no need to reveal info unless you were okay and willing to lynch him, which would mean that you scumread both espi and dd
[20:12:43] ‹Linkcat› We make every dd green and he'd be a leading wagon all three days.
[20:13:04] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› why would i be roleblocked by town after claiming GN
[20:13:16] ‹kaempfer13› green would mean that you think everyone that either did or didnt vote dd is town
[20:13:33] ‹kaempfer13› but you just said mafia would push for a dd lynch
[20:13:38] ‹MasterWalks› lol everyone is mafia
[20:14:00] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› how is that line relevant to the current conversation?
[20:14:09] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Yes, I don't think we're going to fill in his name as green.
[20:14:14] ‹kaempfer13› so if hes green we can expect about 1 or 2 mafia among the votes according to your premises
[20:14:22] ‹shockcannon› [23:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:14:32] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[20:15:15] ‹kaempfer13› but it could be any of them
[20:15:59] ‹Coffeeditto› okay check this out. if you're mafia, then you could have claimed GN and faked being roleblocked
[20:16:16] ‹kaempfer13› sure dd is mentioned a lot, but just filling his name green alone doesnt take us that far
[20:16:19] ‹Linkcat› A lot of those people are being townread by me or are me so that will narrow it down a lot.
[20:16:24] ‹Coffeeditto› if someone else claimed to have roleblocked you, they also could be a lying mafia
[20:16:28] ‹Linkcat› Plus everything we would get from the votes today.
[20:16:38] ‹MasterWalks› i dont understand what everyone means by green
[20:16:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› okay check this out
[20:17:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› its convention to mark confirmed towmmembers with green
[20:17:10] ‹shockcannon› literally anyone else who role claimed could've lied
[20:17:16] ‹shockcannon› and had their mafia teammate be their target and lie
[20:17:16] ‹kaempfer13› as I did in my lynchlog
[20:17:20] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah, you right
[20:17:22] ‹Coffeeditto› so what?
[20:17:25] ‹kaempfer13› (they are all dead)
[20:17:46] ‹MasterWalks› oh, so we can assume that everyone who voted dd is "green" meaning they are town? That makes no sense to me
[20:17:54] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› It will take us farther than anyone else's name being filled in green, and if he's red like I expect then that'll take us way farther than anyone else's name being filled in red.
[20:18:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› no just dd will flip town
[20:18:15] ‹MasterWalks› oh ok
[20:18:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› do you think i'm mafia
[20:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› We have another memeword now
[20:19:33] ‹kaempfer13› i argue thats not enough
[20:19:34] ‹Espithel› W E A K T O W N
[20:19:47] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› O P T I M A L is still my vote
[20:19:56] ‹MasterWalks› weaktown is good too tho
[20:20:06] ‹MasterWalks› but hasnt been said enough
[20:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› give me your reason why espithel is mafia
[20:20:12] ‹shockcannon› because if the three of us teamed
[20:20:21] ‹shockcannon› we can make something happen and ignore town and mafia distractions
[20:20:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Who do you want to lynch, then?
[20:20:28] ‹Linkcat› Push a read.
[20:20:43] ‹MasterWalks› its in my Day 1 votes
[20:20:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i have an idea
[20:21:04] ‹shockcannon› do you agree that mafia is likely guiding town attention and voting?
[20:21:22] ‹Linkcat› No, I think mafia is mostly hanging back.
[20:21:39] ‹shockcannon› then we gather the 8 most quiet people
[20:21:42] ‹shockcannon› and we 1d8
[20:21:44] ‹shockcannon› and go for it
[20:21:48] ‹MasterWalks› i dont know about that.
[20:22:02] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› W E A K T O W N playing S U B O P T I M A L L Y
[20:22:03] ‹shockcannon› its the O P T I M A L play
[20:22:12] ‹shockcannon› 50/50 chance
[20:22:13] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe in lynching randomly in a group.
[20:22:15] ‹shockcannon› it doesn't get better than that
[20:22:21] ‹MasterWalks› quiet people are already getting killed off. mafia will paint themself into a corner if they are being quiet and killing the quiet
[20:22:24] ‹Linkcat› I tried to push math and nobody followed.
[20:22:34] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:22:42] ‹Coffeeditto› both of these things are not mutually exclusive
[20:22:55] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› afk or quiet does not mean mafia
[20:23:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› basically you believe that a secondary role (randomly given to mafia and town alike) and a rule question expose him
[20:23:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i'm 99% certain 1 of the 5 people voting on me now is mafia
[20:23:19] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› why?
[20:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:23:43] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› That's your reasoning for me?
[20:23:45] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› wait what? when did i say that
[20:23:46] ‹Espithel› The day one stuff?
[20:23:50] ‹Espithel› It's day 3
[20:23:51] ‹Espithel› C'mon
[20:23:53] ‹Espithel› Update your shit
[20:23:54] ‹shockcannon› the town move is to vote on me
[20:23:55] ‹Linkcat› All we got was a vote on the leading train and my biggest townread.
[20:23:58] ‹shockcannon› i hurt town
[20:24:00] ‹Espithel› I must've done something spooky since then
[20:24:01] ‹Linkcat› Pretty scummy if you ask me.
[20:24:04] ‹shockcannon› so what's the mafia blend in play?
[20:24:08] ‹shockcannon› it's to vote on me also
[20:24:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› you asked for a roleblock and sth about espi being ffq if hes mafia
[20:24:43] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:24:44] ‹shockcannon› and suppose Linkcat is town and is on to something
[20:24:44] ‹Espithel› Not necessarily.
[20:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› it didnt really make sense for sure
[20:24:56] ‹shockcannon› well if they get my vote count high
[20:24:59] ‹shockcannon› town is going to ignore LInkcat
[20:25:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› I think the mafia love you.
[20:25:11] ‹Espithel› Look at how they're lynching - quiet people.
[20:25:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› I think there's 2 mafia on you.
[20:25:18] ‹shockcannon› no one cares about a single vote on someone when someone else has 5 votes
[20:25:19] ‹Coffeeditto› if your argument is that the people left alive makes that statistically true, then you're statistically incorrect
[20:25:25] ‹Espithel› It implies a contentness with how the town is going.
[20:25:26] ‹Coffeeditto› also please answer instead of dodging
[20:25:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i just answered why
[20:25:45] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:25:56] ‹shockcannon› what am I dodging?
[20:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› ok. You want to know how mafia is playing? Literally look how espi is playing. but there is a problem. No one is playing like him. My guess is mafia is "splitting up" and taking on different strategies. One is probably quiet, one is super talkative (espi), one is playing strategically, and the last one is probably playing dumb
[20:26:08] ‹shockcannon› mafia is voting on me to make other votes irrelevant
[20:26:31] ‹Coffeeditto› voting on someone to reveal info is something you fought against half an hour ago
[20:26:40] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› but you don't know that
[20:26:43] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Move to dd and make them pay attention.
[20:26:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› espi being FFQ i fell back on. I thought about it more and dunno if thats true. i DO think he is mafia so therefore i want him blocked
[20:26:49] ‹Coffeeditto› and you're acting like this is all certain
[20:26:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› obviously
[20:26:56] ‹Linkcat› Talking is not the same as revealing.
[20:27:07] ‹Linkcat› He literally has 5 posts.
[20:27:13] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› i gotta be honest with you the only other viable options i see are quiet people, shock, dd, you and rootranger
[20:27:14] ‹Coffeeditto› but this isn't, and you don't definitely know what's going on, so don't say 99% when you don't mean 99%
[20:27:15] ‹Linkcat› One of those is his signup post.
[20:27:20] • Espithel 's urge to roleclaim fucking spikes through the roof
[20:27:25] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› I fell back on that too. I said to please ignore that strategy
[20:27:28] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› why do you want him to talk? for a scum read?
[20:27:49] ‹Coffeeditto› we certainly aren't scum reading anyone based on their low activity of posts this game
[20:27:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Great, out of those let's lynch dd, quiet people, and Root in that order.
[20:28:16] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet doesn't mean scummy
[20:28:18] ‹Coffeeditto› I repeat
[20:28:22] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet does not mean scummy
[20:28:32] ‹Espithel› It does, however, mean useless.
[20:28:40] ‹shockcannon› here's the real question of the day
[20:28:45] ‹shockcannon› if I AM mafia
[20:28:51] ‹shockcannon› does that mean I'm actually playing really well?
[20:29:01] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[20:29:02] ‹Linkcat› If you're quiet then you're not helping town advance the game.
[20:29:06] ‹shockcannon› or am I bad mafia then?
[20:29:15] ‹Espithel› You faffed day 3
[20:29:18] ‹kaempfer13› yh, but its not helping town in a way thats obvious to even the dumbest player thats town
[20:29:26] ‹MasterWalks› no body cares if youre mafia. you will probably be lynched soon and if you are mafia, you will slip up,
[20:29:36] ‹Linkcat› You just leave yourself as a question mark for mafia to lead a mislynch on in the endgame.
[20:29:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Well
[20:29:44] ‹Coffeeditto› okay, here's my thought process
[20:29:51] ‹MyNameIsJoey› mafia sure gave a new life to blab.
[20:29:58] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› If you're mafia then you're a god.
[20:30:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Also, yeah. It's reasonable that all the mafia have different behaviour.
[20:30:05] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're quiet, you're not helping town and you're not helping mafia, or they're about the same
[20:30:21] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› if me being mafia is such a rare possibility
[20:30:24] ‹shockcannon› why is everyone voting me up?
[20:30:28] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're saying so much that people are forced to claim, you're not helping town as much as you're helping maf
[20:30:50] ‹Linkcat› Being active is always more beneficial to town than to mafia.
[20:30:56] ‹shockcannon› I haven't forced a single person to claim
[20:31:08] ‹Coffeeditto› that's not true at all
[20:31:10] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Because they're bad.
[20:31:15] ‹Coffeeditto› you can't make that blanket statement
[20:31:21] ‹MasterWalks› (im not going to post this log. I posted the last log and it mentally drained me)
[20:31:23] ‹Linkcat› I am having some serious deja vu right now.
[20:31:25] ‹shockcannon› I can
[20:31:30] ‹Coffeeditto› also, that was a fallacy. don't call people that don't agree with you bad players
[20:31:38] ‹Linkcat› Like double layered deja vu.
[20:31:40] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur bad
[20:31:47] ‹MasterWalks› deja bow
[20:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› thats what 4/5 players voting me are doing
[20:31:51] ‹shockcannon› or 3/5
[20:31:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur mama is bad
[20:32:00] ‹shockcannon› root doesnt agree with me
[20:32:06] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :sillyspin:
[20:32:20] ‹shockcannon› calindu doesnt agree with me
[20:32:20] ‹Espithel› Root's argument against you goes a lot deeper than just not agreeing with you
[20:32:21] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› also @masterwalks
[20:32:35] ‹shockcannon› root only lynches town
[20:32:38] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Okay, they're bad or they're mafia or they're just tired of his shit, which is a bad reason to lynch, or they're Root in possible combination with any of those.
We talk about my push, the philosophy behind it, and the current state of the game. Coffee actually talks.
[20:33:14] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› I don't have to agree with the people doing the same thing as me, to do that thing, right?
[20:33:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I know that shock
[20:33:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you
[20:33:35] ‹MyNameIsJoey› but then what do you do?
[20:33:40] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:33:41] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Just wait under bonewall?
[20:33:41] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› no
[20:33:57] ‹shockcannon› but its questionable to align with people who have a mindset that you are opposed to
[20:34:07] ‹Coffeeditto› why?
[20:34:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› i thought it was a shitty deck but it wrecked adrenastaves. I usually wait for the cells to get round 10 of them then T Storm them. cells dont do crap for dmg
[20:34:14] ‹Coffeeditto› what makes you believe that?
[20:34:35] ‹shockcannon› does it not bother you that the people you are voting with are voting for a reason that you dislike?
[20:34:49] ‹Coffeeditto› No, why should it?
[20:35:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› your deck you linked was what it looked like at first. i NEVER run stalls so thought id try something new.
[20:35:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› btw, the deck I linked is so old
[20:35:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› that thunderstorm used to cost only 2 quanta and deal only 1 damage
[20:36:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› the buff to thunderstorm was actually a nerf for this deck.
[20:36:21] ‹shockcannon› idk because this is mafia and things like that should be taken note of
[20:36:39] ‹MasterWalks› ask shock, i try to play weird decks more than winning decks. If i try to win, i only have deja bow.
[20:36:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I think I misunderstood your question
[20:37:02] ‹shockcannon› like if you were voting on a political leader today
[20:37:10] ‹MyNameIsJoey› problem with this kind of deck
[20:37:18] ‹shockcannon› and then a bunch of Nazi's started to vote with you on that person, you wouldn't be the least bit concerned?
[20:37:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Is that what you think is stalling, needs stalling to be installed.
[20:37:31] ‹Coffeeditto› you really really
[20:37:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› A rush will easily beat you off.
[20:37:43] ‹Coffeeditto› just compared the people voting on you other than me to nazis
[20:37:49] ‹shockcannon› you wouldn't reevaluate your candidate just for even a second?
[20:38:00] ‹shockcannon› I needed an extreme example
[20:38:08] ‹Coffeeditto› I definitely would
[20:38:15] ‹Coffeeditto› but the people voting on you are not nazis
[20:38:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› and I technically just compared myself to someone that nazis would vote on
[20:38:25] ‹Coffeeditto› and you are not a political leader
[20:38:33] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Are you sure about that, coffee?
[20:38:37] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :silly:
[20:38:40] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› oh believe me i love rush, it would totally beat me off.... but no rush actually gets countered by that deck pretty well
[20:38:40] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[20:38:50] ‹shockcannon› metaphors are never even close to direclty relatable
[20:38:54] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› ;)
[20:39:04] ‹Coffeeditto› so that metaphor can't be applied here
[20:39:05] ‹shockcannon› thats the point of the metaphor
[20:39:07] ‹Coffeeditto› this is mafia
[20:39:13] ‹Coffeeditto› not a country
[20:39:15] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@MasterWalks› I've tried many different versions.
[20:39:50] ‹Coffeeditto› the equivalent to what you said is that I should be concerened that I, a town, am voting you, a mafia, with many other mafias
[20:39:53] ‹Coffeeditto› not applicable
[20:39:53] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe its a good deck. I posted it because eveyone who played it loved it and thought it was original .
[20:40:11] ‹MasterWalks› i didnt even think it was original as i stated in my post
[20:40:22] ‹MyNameIsJoey› thing is
[20:40:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I believe it could be a good deck in a specific setting
[20:40:55] ‹shockcannon› you like being technical dont you
[20:41:03] ‹MyNameIsJoey› example of mods I tried
[20:41:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/4sk52gz152sz3534z3542z55c25c5710z572iz27aj7al8pn
[20:41:10] ‹MasterWalks› it was a hard counter in my first 12 lives match against Oa's adrenastaves
[20:41:24] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/z452gz152sz3534z1542z55ijz2710z2714z272iz17gp8pp
[20:41:25] ‹MasterWalks› wait
[20:41:29] ‹shockcannon› you know
[20:41:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› no, I don't like arguing and I meant to go to the store 2 hours ago
[20:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› the point is TStorm and bonewall
[20:42:27] ‹MyNameIsJoey› yeah the 2nd one will fit more with your idea.
[20:42:33] ‹MasterWalks› now youre just posting afla decks
[20:42:44] ‹MasterWalks› dry spell i like
[20:42:47] ‹MasterWalks› thats smart
[20:43:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› those are decks I used last trials.
[20:43:12] ‹shockcannon› then go to the store
[20:43:29] ‹Coffeeditto› I would love to, I haven't had food all day
[20:43:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› At first my idea with this deck was to create cells, then kill em all and have vulture OTK, but then I realized
[20:43:39] ‹Coffeeditto› but I also am human and want closure on this conversation
[20:43:46] ‹shockcannon› this game is meant to be fun. if discussion isn't fun for you don't feel like you ahve to partake
[20:44:00] ‹MasterWalks› im having fun
[20:44:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› What if I can fill their whole board with cells, then I am forming a sort of denial deck, where I am denialing my opponent from playing creatures.
[20:44:26] ‹MasterWalks› ahh so permafrost
[20:44:31] ‹MasterWalks› smart
[20:44:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› the last time I felt like I didn't have to partake, Link wanted to vote on me to get me to talk
[20:44:38] ‹MasterWalks› only sopa would really counter that
[20:44:58] ‹MyNameIsJoey› rush decks beat it too.
[20:44:58] ‹Coffeeditto› are you going to be here in around 45 minutes? I enjoy talking with you
[20:33:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I know that shock
[20:33:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you
[20:33:35] ‹MyNameIsJoey› but then what do you do?
[20:33:40] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:33:41] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Just wait under bonewall?
[20:33:41] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› no
[20:33:57] ‹shockcannon› but its questionable to align with people who have a mindset that you are opposed to
[20:34:07] ‹Coffeeditto› why?
[20:34:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› i thought it was a shitty deck but it wrecked adrenastaves. I usually wait for the cells to get round 10 of them then T Storm them. cells dont do crap for dmg
[20:34:14] ‹Coffeeditto› what makes you believe that?
[20:34:35] ‹shockcannon› does it not bother you that the people you are voting with are voting for a reason that you dislike?
[20:34:49] ‹Coffeeditto› No, why should it?
[20:35:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› your deck you linked was what it looked like at first. i NEVER run stalls so thought id try something new.
[20:35:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› btw, the deck I linked is so old
[20:35:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› that thunderstorm used to cost only 2 quanta and deal only 1 damage
[20:36:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› the buff to thunderstorm was actually a nerf for this deck.
[20:36:21] ‹shockcannon› idk because this is mafia and things like that should be taken note of
[20:36:39] ‹MasterWalks› ask shock, i try to play weird decks more than winning decks. If i try to win, i only have deja bow.
[20:36:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I think I misunderstood your question
[20:37:02] ‹shockcannon› like if you were voting on a political leader today
[20:37:10] ‹MyNameIsJoey› problem with this kind of deck
[20:37:18] ‹shockcannon› and then a bunch of Nazi's started to vote with you on that person, you wouldn't be the least bit concerned?
[20:37:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Is that what you think is stalling, needs stalling to be installed.
[20:37:31] ‹Coffeeditto› you really really
[20:37:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› A rush will easily beat you off.
[20:37:43] ‹Coffeeditto› just compared the people voting on you other than me to nazis
[20:37:49] ‹shockcannon› you wouldn't reevaluate your candidate just for even a second?
[20:38:00] ‹shockcannon› I needed an extreme example
[20:38:08] ‹Coffeeditto› I definitely would
[20:38:15] ‹Coffeeditto› but the people voting on you are not nazis
[20:38:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› and I technically just compared myself to someone that nazis would vote on
[20:38:25] ‹Coffeeditto› and you are not a political leader
[20:38:33] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Are you sure about that, coffee?
[20:38:37] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :silly:
[20:38:40] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› oh believe me i love rush, it would totally beat me off.... but no rush actually gets countered by that deck pretty well
[20:38:40] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[20:38:50] ‹shockcannon› metaphors are never even close to direclty relatable
[20:38:54] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› ;)
[20:39:04] ‹Coffeeditto› so that metaphor can't be applied here
[20:39:05] ‹shockcannon› thats the point of the metaphor
[20:39:07] ‹Coffeeditto› this is mafia
[20:39:13] ‹Coffeeditto› not a country
[20:39:15] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@MasterWalks› I've tried many different versions.
[20:39:50] ‹Coffeeditto› the equivalent to what you said is that I should be concerened that I, a town, am voting you, a mafia, with many other mafias
[20:39:53] ‹Coffeeditto› not applicable
[20:39:53] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe its a good deck. I posted it because eveyone who played it loved it and thought it was original .
[20:40:11] ‹MasterWalks› i didnt even think it was original as i stated in my post
[20:40:22] ‹MyNameIsJoey› thing is
[20:40:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I believe it could be a good deck in a specific setting
[20:40:55] ‹shockcannon› you like being technical dont you
[20:41:03] ‹MyNameIsJoey› example of mods I tried
[20:41:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/4sk52gz152sz3534z3542z55c25c5710z572iz27aj7al8pn
[20:41:10] ‹MasterWalks› it was a hard counter in my first 12 lives match against Oa's adrenastaves
[20:41:24] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/z452gz152sz3534z1542z55ijz2710z2714z272iz17gp8pp
[20:41:25] ‹MasterWalks› wait
[20:41:29] ‹shockcannon› you know
[20:41:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› no, I don't like arguing and I meant to go to the store 2 hours ago
[20:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› the point is TStorm and bonewall
[20:42:27] ‹MyNameIsJoey› yeah the 2nd one will fit more with your idea.
[20:42:33] ‹MasterWalks› now youre just posting afla decks
[20:42:44] ‹MasterWalks› dry spell i like
[20:42:47] ‹MasterWalks› thats smart
[20:43:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› those are decks I used last trials.
[20:43:12] ‹shockcannon› then go to the store
[20:43:29] ‹Coffeeditto› I would love to, I haven't had food all day
[20:43:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› At first my idea with this deck was to create cells, then kill em all and have vulture OTK, but then I realized
[20:43:39] ‹Coffeeditto› but I also am human and want closure on this conversation
[20:43:46] ‹shockcannon› this game is meant to be fun. if discussion isn't fun for you don't feel like you ahve to partake
[20:44:00] ‹MasterWalks› im having fun
[20:44:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› What if I can fill their whole board with cells, then I am forming a sort of denial deck, where I am denialing my opponent from playing creatures.
[20:44:26] ‹MasterWalks› ahh so permafrost
[20:44:31] ‹MasterWalks› smart
[20:44:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› the last time I felt like I didn't have to partake, Link wanted to vote on me to get me to talk
[20:44:38] ‹MasterWalks› only sopa would really counter that
[20:44:58] ‹MyNameIsJoey› rush decks beat it too.
[20:44:58] ‹Coffeeditto› are you going to be here in around 45 minutes? I enjoy talking with you
I'm not going to edit this because you don't need to read it.
Discussion is still ongoing in chat.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 02, 2019, 04:27:30 am
This is the list of people who voted on dd at some point during Day 2: Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
This is literally me and all of my townreads.
Then your reads are bad. You basically said as much yourself - your reads are flawed, in that you currently have no mafia reads. You are coming to a conclusion when you know the premises leading to it are flawed.
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I do not believe any mafia voted on dd Day 2. Considering how strong of a player he is and how viable his lynch was, this throws up a huge red flag for me. There's no way mafia would totally ignore this opportunity. It only makes sense to me if dd is mafia. But first, we need to look at Day 1.
Why would mafia want to NK me when I'm under suspicion every day? They can just let town continue to run circles around themselves and let town waste a round trying to lynch me, and inevitably allowing me to push a lynch elsewhere to save myself, that they can then influence if there are multiple other viable options.
Also, I want to address this in thread, because I was frustrated about it in chat the other day - to the person/peoples who apparently thought that the first NK not going through and then me pushing the lynch to a GA was a scumread on me - that would be a horrible play for any mafia to make. In fact, a lot of the scumreads on me this game have felt forced, in one way or another (most of the ones I've refuted).
I'm now very confident that that one (and probably exactly one) of the following is mafia: Link, MW, Cal
I'm somewhat confident that one or two of the following are also mafia: kae, Mobian, shock, Espi, IW
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So my working theory right now is that the team is dd, Mobian, and two of the less active players, feud, Ginyu, moehrpi, math, and Coffee, most likely the ones voting on shock right now. This makes sense for a lot of what happened this game. If I'm wrong and dd is town, then kaempfer and Calin have a high chance of being mafia. We'll get a ton of information no matter what happens.
I don't agree. I think mafia has had a hand in influencing both lynches, which would suggest they're fairly active, with one low-activity player at most.
Also, I will point out that if I do flip town, your read on kae will have gone mafia, to town, to mafia again. I won't say this is terribly relevant, as a player of your caliber will know not to flip reads so suddenly without good reason, but I want to note it regardless.
I want to look at the end of day 2. This was the last vote before Link moved his vote to me:
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
I will show all subsequent votes that create a tie for the lead, break a tie for the lead, or force a lead change, and that weren't immediately swapped back with no intervening votes to keep timer alive, with the notation dd-IW-iancu, and reasoning where I know it:
Link: kae -> me, 5-4-2
shock: me -> iancu, 4-3-4 [agreement with me to save me]
kae: n/a -> dd, 5-4-3
dd: iancu -> IW, 5-5-2 [moving towards preferred target]
moe: n/a -> IW, 5-6-2
shock: IW -> iancu, 5-5-3
Cal: dd -> iancu, 4-5-4 [after I claimed Anubis, I believe]
IW: dd -> iancu, 3-5-5 [this is the first point I believed I would not be lynched]
dd: IW -> iancu, 3-4-6 [to avoid no lynch]
shock: iancu -> IW, 3-5-5
moe: IW -> Root, 3-4-5 [made a joke about me orchestrating a lynch to Root]
dd: iancu -> IW, 3-5-4
shock: IW -> dd, 4-4-4
dd: IW -> iancu, 4-3-5 [tiebreak+timer reset]
MW: dd -> iancu, 3-3-6 [does not meet criteria, but is notably the first time a lead is three here]
[further votes make IW/iancu close again]
Cal: iancu -> IW, 2-5-5
dd: iancu -> IW, 2-6-4
Cal: IW -> iancu, 2-5-5
Root: IW -> iancu, 2-4-6 [his only vote in this process]
Make of this what you will.
Additionally - Linkcat, do you deny that it has, in the past, been a feature of your playstyle to, within the boundaries of supporting your team, play in a way that serves to create situations for your own amusement?
Also, can I get a tl;dr of the chat logs in Link's post?
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Removing vote for now.
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 04:36:10 am
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
I don't support either of these lynches anymore.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 02, 2019, 04:36:38 am
Why would mafia want to lynch me when I'm under suspicion every day? They can just let town continue to run circles around themselves and let town waste a round trying to lynch me, and inevitably allowing me to push a lynch elsewhere to save myself, that they can then influence if there are multiple other viable options.
Post by: Mobian on June 02, 2019, 04:37:17 am
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Shock's been trying to stir up conflict and dissent. He's seeming more and more scummy.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 04:44:52 am
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Then your reads are bad. You basically said as much yourself - your reads are flawed, in that you currently have no mafia reads. You are coming to a conclusion when you know the premises leading to it are flawed.
I never said my reads are flawed. I said it was a problem that I didn't have any strong scumreads, because that makes it less likely that I would get a mafia lynched. Just because I didn't have any mafia reads doesn't mean my town reads are bad. I've always been way better at town reads then mafia reads. If at any point during any game you guys don't want to lynch my scumreads, at least don't lynch my townreads either. There was plenty of room in my reads list for a mafia team, it was just hard to pinpoint since there were a lot of people that haven't had many interactions. Now that I examined the votes, a clearer picture began to emerge.
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Why would mafia want to lynch [he said in chat he meant to say lynch instead of NK] me when I'm under suspicion every day? They can just let town continue to run circles around themselves and let town waste a round trying to lynch me, and inevitably allowing me to push a lynch elsewhere to save myself, that they can then influence if there are multiple other viable options.
Because you'd figure them out sooner or later, and it looks like they're focusing their NKs on the GN and you claimed Anubis so they wouldn't spend a kill on you.
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Also, I want to address this in thread, because I was frustrated about it in chat the other day - to the person/peoples who apparently thought that the first NK not going through and then me pushing the lynch to a GA was a scumread on me - that would be a horrible play for any mafia to make.
Agreed. You just wanted to lynch anyone but you, and JCJ ended up being the one people were willing to go for.
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I don't agree. I think mafia has had a hand in influencing both lynches, which would suggest they're fairly active, with one low-activity player at most.
This makes sense from your point of view if you're town. If you flip that way then I'll definitely have to reconsider this.
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Also, I will point out that if I do flip town, your read on kae will have gone mafia, to town, to mafia again. I won't say this is terribly relevant, as a player of your caliber will know not to flip reads so suddenly without good reason, but I want to note it regardless.
I have my reasons.
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Additionally - Linkcat, do you deny that it has, in the past, been a feature of your playstyle to, within the boundaries of supporting your team, play in a way that serves to create situations for your own amusement?
It would be amusing to make a denial here, but I 100% do this.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 05:09:21 am
His first spoiler is pretty much nothing. Its about me complaining about posting stuff and finding about a mistake in my TL:DR. shock and Cal argue about what it means to be "bad town". Thats it.
Also, can I get a tl;dr of the chat logs in Link's post?
Second spoiler is about kaempf and shock arguing about statistics and how no lynch is or is not good. (shock says no lynch is good, kaempf says lynch is good). This goes on for a good while. It evolves into what is optimal play for mafia and town but still maintains the statistics stuff.
Third spoiler I highly suggest reading. It deep dives on a lot of peoples scum reads and town reads. shock starts talking about switching vote targets. Its a short read but pretty informative.
[17:23:43] ‹Calindu› Shock
[17:24:39] ‹Linkcat› Well I guess it's time to look at the vote log.
[17:25:18] ‹Calindu› But mostly because I find his play detrimental
[17:27:42] ‹shockcannon› i might have to make a post
[17:27:45] ‹shockcannon› even though I said I wouldn't
[17:27:59] ‹shockcannon› just to highlight the logical fallacies that calindu and root use to base all their arguments
[17:28:22] ‹MasterWalks› shit
[17:28:22] ‹shockcannon› although i suppose they could both be mafia
[17:28:29] ‹MasterWalks› i cant post chat log
[17:28:37] ‹MasterWalks› hit character limit
[17:28:45] ‹shockcannon› and using my "bad town" play as an excuse to lynch another town and keep attention away from mafia members
[17:29:10] ‹Calindu› I don't know if you are bad town or aggro mafia
[17:29:27] ‹shockcannon› same for you
[17:29:58] ‹shockcannon› You keep bringing up optimal strategy and assuming players are making the best possible moves
[17:30:15] ‹shockcannon› yet you support lynch every day, which I can mathematically prove is NOT optimal based on the strategy you describe as optimal
[17:31:20] ‹Calindu› I support lynch everyday because not lynching brings us 0 info and we lose a player to the night kill
[17:31:27] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day IS optimal if you
[17:31:39] ‹shockcannon› take "reads" into account
[17:31:44] ‹shockcannon› but you and root don't seem to value that
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day brings 0 info as well
[17:32:06] ‹shockcannon› using the logic you use
[17:32:27] ‹shockcannon› if town plays optimally
[17:32:40] ‹shockcannon› then the optimal mafia play would be to use no abilities and talk just enough to not be modkilled
[17:32:53] ‹shockcannon› and to not vote
[17:33:04] ‹shockcannon› and if this happens, then lynching every day offers nothing
[17:33:04] ‹Linkcat› That's the optimal play if you want town to lose lol.
[17:33:10] ‹MasterWalks› gad damnit. I ended up having to edit out all the soccer stuff
[17:33:17] ‹Calindu› I might not have the best reads, and I might have strong opinions, but no way is forcing role claims and lying better
[17:33:17] ‹MasterWalks› Its posted tho
[17:33:45] ‹MasterWalks› AND there is a big ass youtube link in the middle
[17:33:51] ‹shockcannon› forcing role claims and lying alllows for reads to be used
[17:34:12] ‹shockcannon› i'm just making a post
[17:34:23] ‹shockcannon› if you want to argue statistics afterwards and look like a fool sure
[17:35:41] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I didn't say I can't do scumreads, I said I didn't have a read list and most of my list would lean town
[17:35:41] ‹MasterWalks› character limit is 65,000 characters if anyone wanted to know
[17:35:42] ‹kaempfer13› allowing lyers to live makes for reads to be way harder
[17:36:15] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› wait, were you not the one that was all about that 50% town/mafia thing?
[17:36:50] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› No, I don't remember saying anything like that
[17:36:50] ‹MasterWalks› shit, my bad. That was a lot to cover. You can go in and correct it in EBWOP.
[17:37:05] ‹MasterWalks› im getting root, you, and coffee all mixed up
[17:37:33] ‹MasterWalks› I was more worried about the character limit so i made the TL:DR as short as i could.
[17:37:49] ‹MasterWalks› Got names mixed up obv
[17:38:02] ‹Calindu› Yeah, no worries, mistakes happen
[17:38:53] ‹Calindu› Was worried you misunderstood me and people would just base everything off the TL;DR
[17:39:44] ‹MasterWalks› No it was root or coffee that was talking about 50% stuff. Ive been staring at this damn computer screen for like 9 hours straight. My brain is all jumbled
[17:40:01] ‹MasterWalks› And standing the whole time too since im at work
[17:41:12] ‹Coffeeditto› not me
[17:41:14] ‹Linkcat› It was Root.
[17:41:16] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't work in percentages[17:41:44] ‹shockcannon› i'm about to destroy root right now
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› half way through the post
[17:41:50] ‹shockcannon› hold on a few more minutes
[17:48:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Did the EBWOP
[17:48:39] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› Cheers
[17:48:52] ‹kaempfer13› root said that there is no way to be more than 50% sure someone is mafia unless you are gn or town follows a strict ruleset that someone breaks (requires full cooperation) (the latter part was added by me, but i thinkit was implied)
[17:51:17] ‹MasterWalks› 10 more min and get to go home to stare at the computer again, only this time i can lay down. Two hips and a hooray
[17:54:24] ‹shockcannon› alsoo
[17:54:26] ‹shockcannon› when i post this
[17:54:28] ‹shockcannon› please read it
[17:54:35] ‹shockcannon› it seems a lot of you just don't read my posts
[17:54:37] ‹shockcannon› like root
[17:54:50] ‹shockcannon› where I already answered half the things he asked about today in my post yesterday
[17:58:08] ‹Calindu› I'll read it tomorrow, it's 2 am here and I'm going to sleep
[18:00:22] ‹shockcannon› i'm actually pretty frustrating with a lot of people
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› if you wanna lynch me for being chaotic
[18:00:36] ‹shockcannon› just say that
[18:00:46] ‹shockcannon› but don't use logical fallacies as your excuse for doing so
[18:29:42] ‹shockcannon› alright posted
[18:29:48] ‹shockcannon› knock yourselves out kids
[18:29:58] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i suggest you read
[18:30:10] ‹shockcannon› maybe you'll stop being brainwashed by calindu and rootranger
[18:34:24] ‹Espithel› This is pretty meek.
[18:43:30] ‹shockcannon› also
[18:43:32] ‹shockcannon› if anyone wants to league
[18:43:36] ‹shockcannon› let me know
[18:45:35] ‹kaempfer13› meh, nothing much new and the correct conclusion is that lynch is far preferable over no lynch
[18:46:11] ‹kaempfer13› even if that by itself wont playout well
[18:46:16] ‹shockcannon› if you're assuming optimal play its not
[18:46:33] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day is fine for gaining info to create reads
[18:46:56] ‹shockcannon› but there's like 3 or 4 players here who insist on optimal town play, and that DOES NOT call for lynch every day
[18:46:59] ‹kaempfer13› if we assume optimal play only 1.5 roles matter for identifying
[18:47:17] ‹shockcannon› there are a lot of people here though who are assuming optimal play
[18:47:22] ‹shockcannon› and want town to do "optimal play"
[18:47:35] ‹kaempfer13› so that will never work out without the random successfull lynch
[18:47:36] ‹shockcannon› which would result in a 4 page thread with no interacting
[18:48:13] ‹shockcannon› random lynch just speeds things up for mafia
[18:48:24] ‹shockcannon› random lynching reduces the player count quicker
[18:48:39] ‹shockcannon› which gives golden nymph significantly knowledge
[18:48:48] ‹shockcannon› *significantly less knowledge
[18:48:58] ‹kaempfer13› random lynch is the most likely way to catch mafia
[18:49:01] ‹shockcannon› and increases the chances the golden nymph targets are killed before golden nymph can find 2-4 mafia
[18:49:33] ‹Linkcat› What shock is describing is exactly what would happen if 17 RootRangers played a game of mafia.
[18:49:49] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is the equally likely of a method to catching mafia as golden nymph
[18:49:57] ‹shockcannon› but it also works against the golden nymph mechanic
[18:49:59] ‹shockcannon› so yes
[18:50:04] ‹shockcannon› random lynch helps find mafia
[18:50:07] ‹shockcannon› but it hurts golden nymph
[18:50:10] ‹kaempfer13› golden nymph identifies half as many people as die, so counting on her is a losing play
[18:50:15] ‹shockcannon› so you're just losing what you gain
[18:50:42] ‹shockcannon› lynching every day means golden nymph identifies a quarter as many people as die
[18:50:53] ‹shockcannon› which is an even more losing play
[18:51:09] ‹Espithel› I'm really busy right now, so I'll address this in full later.
[18:51:48] ‹shockcannon› ALSO random lynching has the added negative of potentially voting up GN and either killing GN or forcing GN to reveal, which is killing GN
[18:51:50] ‹kaempfer13› yes, youre gonna want to get 1, maybe 2 lynches out of gn reveal and the rest has ro work out randomöy/through slipups
[18:52:17] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› exactly
[18:52:31] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching reduces the chances of GN find even 1 or 2 mafia
[18:52:38] ‹shockcannon› which means that the entire game becomes random lynching
[18:52:47] ‹shockcannon› so if you prefer that over the GN finds 1-2 mafia and then you do random
[18:52:48] ‹shockcannon› then sure
[18:52:55] ‹Espithel› But put simply, you argue that people should use tons of skills because, otherwise, the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:52:58] ‹kaempfer13› but not taking the shot while you have it is def a waste
[18:53:08] ‹Espithel› With no lynching, the same argument applies - the optimal mafia strat is to do nothing and say nothing.
[18:53:47] ‹kaempfer13› basically gn takes a lynchshot that most of the time will hit town just as well, just doesnt kill regardless of whether they hit mafia or not
[18:54:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Espithel› I just want to address people who are making claims about optimal strategy and then using logical fallacies in the midst
[18:54:41] ‹shockcannon› I really don't have the time, but if we assume optimal mafia and town play, no lynching is statistically the better option
[18:54:54] ‹shockcannon› I'm not going to waste my time running statistics that you guys won't even believe
[18:55:04] ‹shockcannon› but I made my point
[18:55:11] ‹shockcannon› this point isn't even related to me playing the mafia game
[18:55:40] ‹shockcannon› it's just people arguing false statistics
[18:55:53] ‹kaempfer13› so gn is half as powerfull as the regular lynch and everything else doesnt matter except for psychology
[18:56:24] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› gn can hot town and die before reveal you know
[18:56:46] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[18:56:53] ‹shockcannon› it's statistics
[18:56:56] ‹kaempfer13› and her odds are about the same as the lynch
[18:56:57] ‹shockcannon› anything is possible
[18:57:25] ‹shockcannon› random lynch is random
[18:57:29] ‹kaempfer13› but we get the lynch every round
[18:57:36] ‹shockcannon› GN is not random, and the only way that town gets any info
[18:57:46] ‹shockcannon› the more you lynch, the less GN you get
[18:57:53] ‹shockcannon› would you rather have more random, or less random?
[18:57:57] ‹MasterWalks› GN doesnt win the game
[18:58:07] ‹MasterWalks› You can lose GN N0 and still win
[18:58:11] ‹shockcannon› obviously gn doesn't win the game
[18:58:23] ‹shockcannon› do you guys get how statistics works?
[18:58:37] ‹shockcannon› you can also have GN never get killed and find all 4 mafia
[18:58:38] ‹MasterWalks› no
[18:58:50] ‹shockcannon›
[18:59:05] ‹shockcannon› i have an equal chance of rolling five 1s and five 9s
[18:59:15] ‹shockcannon› that doesn't make either of them likely
[18:59:41] ‹MasterWalks› rolling a 4, 9, 7, 5, 9 is also not likely
[18:59:45] ‹MasterWalks› but you just did it
[18:59:56] ‹MasterWalks› that couldve been a mafia lynch
[18:59:57] ‹shockcannon› its about odds
[19:00:00] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:00:03] ‹shockcannon› optimal play is about what happens the most
[19:00:04] ‹Espithel› ow that hurt walks
[19:00:46] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› im sowy, i wont huwt you no mowre uwu
[19:00:51] ‹MasterWalks› that hurt to type
[19:00:57] ‹shockcannon› @anyone who wants to argue about optimal play: do some googling on how statistics works a bit
[19:01:31] ‹shockcannon› Optimal play is going to fail plenty of times
[19:01:39] ‹MasterWalks› What are the statistics google brings up the page i want about statistics?
[19:01:39] ‹shockcannon› but it's going to fail less than other strategies
[19:01:52] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes, I get how statistic works (I study it) and lynching is the right play
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› okay
[19:02:25] ‹shockcannon› let's assume optimal play
[19:02:31] ‹shockcannon› lynching just gives us a shot at killing mafia
[19:02:49] ‹shockcannon› what the player turns after lynch means NOTHING because optimal play doesn't involve reads
[19:03:01] ‹kaempfer13› assuming gn lives until revealing!) no lynch=2deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:34] ‹MasterWalks› not lynching guarantees we dont kill a mafia
[19:03:58] ‹kaempfer13› lynch: 1 and a half deaths between a shot at mafia
[19:03:59] ‹shockcannon› not lyching gives GN more time, which is the only non-random factor in the game
[19:04:24] ‹MasterWalks› but keeps the chances of them finding mafia, which is just as low as lynching mafia
[19:04:49] ‹MasterWalks› Gn finding mafia is literally the same chance as lynching a mafia
[19:05:39] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:05:54] ‹shockcannon› asssuming 19 people alive
[19:05:58] ‹shockcannon› GN has 1/18 shot
[19:06:03] ‹shockcannon› sorry
[19:06:04] ‹shockcannon› 4/18
[19:06:10] ‹shockcannon› if you lynch with 19 people alive
[19:06:12] ‹shockcannon› town has 4/19
[19:06:14] ‹kaempfer13› well mafia can modify those odds at first, but that will expose them later and is pretty much the whole point of the game
[19:06:18] ‹shockcannon› because town will be voting on each other
[19:06:21] ‹shockcannon› GN will never search itself
[19:06:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› mafia doesn't need to modify those odds
[19:06:51] ‹shockcannon› those odds are already above 50% for them to win
[19:07:01] ‹shockcannon› they just play the odds every game and they win more than they lose
[19:07:13] ‹kaempfer13› townfolk well never vote on themselves either other than us placeholder
[19:07:18] ‹MasterWalks› If i was GN, i would search myself to find out who i really am.
[19:07:27] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› but other town will vote on other town
[19:07:40] ‹shockcannon› so 14/19 players are non-GN, non mafia
[19:07:44] ‹shockcannon› they will vote completely randomly
[19:07:57] ‹shockcannon› GN will never wsate a seearch on themselves
[19:08:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› yes but each town will not vote themselves, so its still same odds
[19:08:06] ‹MasterWalks› but its not random
[19:08:19] ‹MasterWalks› its based around reads
[19:08:39] ‹kaempfer13› above response was just typed slowly and followup to what i said, not reaction to you
[19:08:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› did you even read my post
[19:09:01] ‹shockcannon› That's what i'm arguing in my post
[19:09:05] ‹MasterWalks› i skimmed it
[19:09:17] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:19] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:21] ‹Espithel› Walks please
[19:09:25] ‹Espithel› ow
[19:09:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› its not the same odds
[19:09:49] ‹shockcannon› in a lynch, all 19 players are fair game
[19:09:57] ‹shockcannon› at night, only 18 players are fair game for GN search
[19:10:06] ‹kaempfer13› no, you yourselves are not
[19:10:09] ‹shockcannon› ADDITIONALLY
[19:10:24] ‹shockcannon› if GN knows players that are alive and their primary role
[19:10:29] ‹shockcannon› GN odds increase as time goes on
[19:10:41] ‹kaempfer13› just because another town may vote you doesnt mean that they in turn would vote themselves
[19:10:42] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i realize that
[19:10:56] ‹shockcannon› you're thinking about it from a single player's point of view
[19:11:07] ‹shockcannon› think of it overall
[19:11:23] ‹shockcannon› during the day, the odds a mafia gets voted up is 4/19
[19:11:28] ‹shockcannon› 19 players are fair game for voting
[19:11:35] ‹kaempfer13› if each town only has to look at 18 players, all of them do
[19:11:56] ‹kaempfer13› its so obvious its almost circular logic
[19:13:12] ‹shockcannon› yes
[19:13:23] ‹shockcannon› but we're assuming all players vote randomly on someone not themselves
[19:13:35] ‹shockcannon› this also leaves room for a two top voted players to tie
[19:13:39] ‹shockcannon› which would lead to no lynch
[19:13:57] ‹shockcannon› and if everyone revotes between the tied players, that's changing the odds
[19:14:10] ‹shockcannon› ALSO, GN has odds to be voted up, which then loses any advantage you had
[19:14:23] ‹shockcannon› and makes it all ENTIRELY random
[19:14:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› The entire point of his post is that if everyone didn't try to make reads and played like Root wants us to play, then the game would be stupid and boring, so we shouldn't play that way.
[19:14:40] ‹MasterWalks› Oh
[19:14:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i agree with shock then
[19:16:53] ‹Espithel› I am rubbing off on Walks way too much
[19:16:55] ‹Espithel› I need to stop
[19:18:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› tiebreaking doesnt change the odds so long as its done randomly and gn ability only gets marginally better post n3 (assuming no blocks) than just lynch, which is easily outdone by the fact that gn is susceptible to a number of things
[19:19:05] ‹kaempfer13› and there is simply no reason not to lynch when there is nothing better
[19:19:40] ‹shockcannon› keeping GN alive longer is better
[19:19:45] ‹kaempfer13› no lynch is also stupid for playing the game properly, since thats where all the mindgames happen
[19:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› playing the game proplery or optimally?
[19:20:06] ‹kaempfer13› so stop arguig for it or use legitimate math
[19:20:13] ‹shockcannon› because playing the game optimally involves 0 mindgames
[19:20:34] ‹shockcannon› the legitimate math is lynching negates the advantages of GN
[19:20:42] ‹Linkcat› Guys, what type of boring play is optimal is not even relevant to the point.
[19:20:48] ‹Linkcat› There's no use arguing about it.
[19:20:51] ‹shockcannon› GN gets lets chances to investigate over the course of the game
[19:21:08] ‹kaempfer13› which i have proven is roughly half as good as using the damn lynch
[19:21:10] ‹shockcannon› and town likely kills off GN confirmed targets
[19:21:16] ‹shockcannon› its not
[19:21:55] ‹shockcannon› Not lynching until GN reveals or GN dies will work out better more often than random lynching every day
[19:22:10] ‹shockcannon› there will be plenty of times when it fails
[19:22:17] ‹shockcannon› but random lynching also fails a heck ton
[19:22:36] ‹DoubleCapitals› I'll compile this once y'all are done
[19:23:14] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you do realize, I don't give a crap about optimal play right?
[19:24:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› Hey can you update OP to link to this current phase please
[19:25:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› hey
[19:25:50] ‹Linkcat› Yo
[19:25:50] ‹shockcannon› i dont know if you're a town or not
[19:25:51] ‹DoubleCapitals› I am not authorized to edit Submachine's posts
[19:26:21] ‹shockcannon› but i don't like get yelled for not playing boring
[19:26:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› its fine to have fun, but you refuse the very basics of mafia and math alike
[19:26:58] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@DoubleCapitals› ahh damn ok
[19:27:09] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› i'm not going to continue to argue statistics
[19:27:22] ‹shockcannon› Also, I can almost guarantee I have played more mafia than everyone on this forum combined
[19:27:34] ‹shockcannon› so if you wanna argue experience go ahead
[19:27:45] ‹shockcannon› granted, haven't played with this whack rulest
[19:27:45] ‹MasterWalks› well i dont believe that one bit
[19:28:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› he said the word we like
[19:28:19] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› wow, how often do you live past day 2 (assuming you play with strangers)?
[19:28:25] ‹Espithel› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:30] ‹MasterWalks› E X P E R I E N C E
[19:28:50] ‹Espithel› I'm not even taking the piss
[19:28:53] ‹Espithel› It's just a fun thing to say
[19:29:47] ‹shockcannon› How long someone lives in a mafia game means nothing
[19:29:50] ‹shockcannon› how often they win does
[19:30:07] ‹shockcannon› let's assume mathman101 is town
[19:30:11] ‹shockcannon› is he helping town right now?
[19:30:59] ‹MasterWalks› we went from orchestrate to experience. Now the next word will be O P T I M A L
[19:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› feel free to follow root
[19:31:55] ‹kaempfer13› the only reason you live to day 3 is because we had to accept that just bc you play abyssmally doesnt mean your mafia out of e x p e r i e n c e (yh i forced that word in there)
[19:32:03] ‹shockcannon› he had literally everyone's info last game as ash and lynched like 4 straight town
[19:32:50] ‹shockcannon› you think i play abyssmally because you think there's only one way to play this game
[19:32:57] ‹Espithel› The next word is H O N O U R A B L E F I F T H
[19:34:11] ‹kaempfer13› apparently at least one of them lied/omitted info and noone explained to them that there is literally no reason not to pm a confirmed town everything you have
[19:34:45] ‹kaempfer13› (unless pms are banned ofc)
[19:35:41] ‹shockcannon› actually someone in chat said they did give root everything and root said he missed a message[19:37:37] ‹shockcannon› Because there's is literally only 1 role (minus the rare chance of GA protection) that can find mafia in this ruleset, chaos is required to force conversations and role claims that allow for reads to give town the edge
[19:37:47] ‹Linkcat› Everybody he voted for lied or didn't give him information, except Sub and the person you mentioned who I think was iancu.
[19:37:58] ‹shockcannon› if you look at any other mafia game out there that has 15+ players, there are multiple ways to find mafia
[19:38:34] ‹kaempfer13› last mafia there was also the firefly role
[19:38:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› not ture
[19:38:38] ‹Linkcat› You don't need random role claims to make reads, that's the main thing you're wrong about. You only need to claim when you find something suspicious.
[19:38:38] ‹shockcannon› *true
[19:39:00] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› but you'll never find anything suspicious with this ruleset unless someone misplays
[19:39:11] ‹shockcannon› And I addressed misplays in my post
[19:39:14] ‹Linkcat› None of the claims this game fit that category.
[19:39:48] ‹shockcannon› but insig claim for example
[19:39:57] ‹shockcannon› is a misplay in that he blocked when we said he shouldn't block
[19:40:07] ‹shockcannon› so that claim stemmed from a misplay itself
[19:40:10] ‹shockcannon› along with anubis
[19:40:17] ‹shockcannon› along mind flayers
[19:40:21] ‹shockcannon› along with otyughs
[19:40:26] ‹Linkcat› They don't necessarily have to misplay, you read based off of tone, votes, who pushes who, who defends who, etc.
[19:40:52] ‹Linkcat› It's all a bunch of bullshit in the beginning and then it gets figured out later on.
[19:40:59] ‹shockcannon› if you're able to read off tones, votes, and pushes, then someone's misplaying
[19:41:00] ‹Linkcat› That's what I'm trying to do with my recent post.
[19:41:27] ‹Linkcat› We have enough information for me to make a possible full reading of the game.
[19:41:42] ‹shockcannon› i wonder who got that information to come out
[19:41:43] ‹Linkcat› If I'm wrong then I'll have to reevaluate with the new information gained.
[19:42:19] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i'm dying today
[19:42:21] ‹Linkcat› Not you lol, I'm basing everything off of votes and tone reads.
[19:42:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› im not sure about this
[19:42:34] ‹Linkcat› I'll try my best to not have that happen.
[19:43:01] ‹kaempfer13› hammering dd in any harderwhen hed flip town would call the overkillvoter into question
[19:43:29] ‹kaempfer13› so mafia at that point probably just thought, let em do it
[19:43:50] ‹kaempfer13› and then we just didnt
[19:44:19] ‹kaempfer13› which ishonestly worse for us as now that topic will never go away
[19:44:43] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› youre reads should come from who in chat is trying to mislead everyone
[19:45:41] ‹Linkcat› I don't understand what you're trying to say, kaempfer.
[19:46:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks›
[19:46:23] ‹kaempfer13› if dd had 6 townvotes at the time, mafia could just sit back
[19:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[19:47:12] ‹shockcannon› we alone could probably get someone lynched
[19:47:13] ‹kaempfer13› there was no need for them to push further
[19:47:15] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe that a town dd had 5 or 6 votes who were all town.
[19:47:22] ‹Linkcat› Mafia would 100% be on there somewhere.
[19:48:55] ‹kaempfer13› dd had just gotten someone from town killed (out of selfdefense) and with nothing much else to go by everyone voted him
[19:49:25] ‹shockcannon› @Espithel
[19:49:42] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[19:49:48] ‹Linkcat› Yes, so mafia would push that.
[19:49:55] ‹shockcannon› would you two make a move on Mobian with me?
[19:50:06] ‹Espithel› Mobian, eh?
[19:50:21] ‹Espithel› Any particular reason why?
[19:51:30] ‹shockcannon› questionable voting
[19:51:34] ‹shockcannon› relatively quiet
[19:51:35] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› not mobian but im down to lynch dd
[19:51:36] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon›
[19:51:41] ‹shockcannon› ian voted on him
[19:51:50] ‹MasterWalks› he doesnt have questionable voting imo
[19:51:58] ‹shockcannon› once said, "do you really think I'd get mafia two games in a row?"
[19:52:11] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› he's literally voting on you now
[19:52:11] ‹MasterWalks› who cares if ian voted him. ian is dead and not GN
[19:52:15] ‹shockcannon› and he voted ian last round
[19:52:20] ‹MasterWalks› i dont care if hes voting me
[19:52:26] ‹kaempfer13› 6 votes seemed pretty final and only after that things changed too quickly for a team to react to it
[19:52:57] ‹MasterWalks› he has every right to. I have voting patterns apparently. Doesnt look like he has a following so i have no reason to defend either
[19:53:03] ‹shockcannon› okay
[19:53:04] ‹shockcannon› what about moehrpi
[19:53:11] ‹shockcannon› i've thought he's mafia since n0
[19:53:15] ‹shockcannon› that hasn't changed
[19:53:16] ‹MasterWalks› what about dd
[19:53:25] ‹shockcannon› I havne't pushed because I know i'd get 0 support
[19:54:42] ‹MasterWalks› yea ad i thought espi is mafia since N0 as well and that also hasnt changed but no one will lynch him
[19:55:00] ‹shockcannon› eh
[19:55:04] ‹shockcannon› are you mafia?
[19:55:29] ‹shockcannon› espithel's dump never came
[19:55:33] ‹shockcannon› i'll switch to espithel
[19:55:34] ‹MasterWalks› probably not
[19:55:35] ‹shockcannon› we get moehrpi tomorrow
[19:55:39] ‹shockcannon› get insig to join us
[19:55:42] ‹shockcannon› bad townies unite
[19:55:43] ‹kaempfer13› normally i would expect those emergency votes to indeed come from mafia to safe a buddy, but it was different people saving him
[19:55:50] ‹shockcannon› there's so many bad townies we wont get outvoted
[19:55:59] ‹MasterWalks› i cant PM insig about mafia and he doesnt talk to me in publi
[19:56:02] ‹MasterWalks› public
[19:56:24] ‹shockcannon› alright
[19:56:30] ‹shockcannon› i'm on espithel now
[19:56:40] ‹MasterWalks› get on that d
[19:56:41] ‹MasterWalks› dd
[19:56:49] ‹shockcannon› nah
[19:56:55] ‹shockcannon› i've giving you your chance
[19:57:00] ‹Espithel› My dump never came because coffee made it absolutely pointless.
[19:57:05] ‹shockcannon› take it or leave it
[19:57:28] ‹Espithel› I can get back to it if you want, though. I'd have to sleep now to get it done before deadline.
[19:57:34] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› No, move to Espi.
[19:57:37] ‹Linkcat› I mean dd
[19:58:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› uh?
[19:58:50] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Why are you voting shock? He's town.
[19:59:21] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› Why do you believe that?
[19:59:34] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› let them vote me
[19:59:42] ‹Linkcat› I read his posts.
[19:59:46] ‹shockcannon› I'm exposing the ACTUAL bad townies and a couple maf right now
[19:59:51] ‹Coffeeditto› Great.
[20:00:44] ‹Linkcat› Especially this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[20:00:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› town would rather see me die and lose so they can blame my poor play than actually win the game at this point
[20:00:53] ‹Linkcat› That's the towniest shit I've ever seen.
[20:01:58] ‹Coffeeditto› how?
[20:02:16] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› I thought you were town until one line
[20:02:37] ‹Coffeeditto› [22:46:59] ‹shockcannon› @MasterWalks I think it's time the "bad townies" teamed up and made a move
[20:02:56] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› I need like 99% certainty ddevans is maf for me to switch to him
[20:03:00] ‹Linkcat› I would watch that movie.
[20:03:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› so what are you hoping for?
[20:03:30] ‹shockcannon› i flip mafia
[20:03:37] ‹shockcannon› and then masterwalks becomes easy lynch
[20:03:39] ‹Coffeeditto› I'm not hoping for anything
[20:03:46] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't hope for anything in games like this
[20:03:59] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› read my vote and see why you should lynch dd
[20:04:28] ‹Coffeeditto› My desires and expectations are not getting in the way of my win condition. I'm not doing this for any reason other than trying to win
[20:04:35] ‹kaempfer13› alright I cant watch this
[20:04:45] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› I honestly don't understand the sentences you're making. Do you believe it's possible that dd was up for lynch as town Day 2 and not a single mafia voted for him?
[20:04:59] ‹Coffeeditto› My current scum reads are Link/Shock/Master/unknown
[20:05:08] ‹kaempfer13› if this is another day where dd has 6 votes on him Ill make sure he actually dies so we can finally move on
[20:05:25] ‹Linkcat› Thanks, I guess.
[20:05:38] ‹Coffeeditto› you wanted reads, Link
[20:05:39] ‹Linkcat› Coffee, why do you think I'm mafia?
[20:05:43] ‹Coffeeditto› there are your reads
[20:05:54] ‹Linkcat› Your reads are ass.
[20:05:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't have to say. I reserve my 5th amendment rights
[20:05:59] ‹kaempfer13› but pushing him constantly allows everyone else to just chill and 2 towns die with each lynch opportunity
[20:06:06] ‹Coffeeditto› that's a fallacy
[20:07:07] ‹Linkcat› Not if we lynch him.
[20:07:21] ‹kaempfer13› how are we going to get reads of other people if all that matters is there opinion about ahock and dd?
[20:07:47] ‹kaempfer13› oh boy horrible grammar sorry
[20:07:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› Heres is what we should do. Lets pressure moe or espi until they reveal something, then lets vote hop to dd and get the lynch
[20:08:05] ‹Linkcat› I believe that when we lynch dd as mafia we'll be able to make a lot of reads.
[20:08:12] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@kaempfer13› if dd or shock are mafia, then the reactions of others throughout the game to their respective lynchings provides info
[20:08:32] ‹Linkcat› How about we stop trying to get people to reveal information to the mafia?
[20:08:34] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› that line is scummy as hell??
[20:08:39] ‹Coffeeditto› why would you try to reveal
[20:08:41] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah
[20:08:45] ‹Coffeeditto› agreed, LInk
[20:09:00] ‹MasterWalks› not role reveal necessarily
[20:09:13] ‹MasterWalks› okay no that line is scummy af
[20:09:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› YOU JUST CLAIMED YOUR ROLE AND ALL YOUR TARGETS FOR LITERALLY NO REASON
[20:09:28] ‹Linkcat› I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS FROM YOU
[20:09:31] ‹shockcannon› if one you knows the identity of a mind flayer thats not me, you should reveal
[20:09:34] ‹Coffeeditto› there's no reason to vote and pressure info out of someone right now instead of just pushing a full lynch on them. especially when you just let everyone know you won't actually lynch espi, then he feels no need to reveal any info
[20:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:09:41] ‹MasterWalks› id delete if it wasnt about mafia. just ignore that
[20:09:49] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› don't let your emotions or preconceptions get in the way of your playing mafia.
[20:10:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto›
[20:10:11] ‹Coffeeditto› what I did has nothing to do with what we are doing right now
[20:10:14] ‹shockcannon› everyone voting me is letting their emotions get in the way
[20:10:19] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› Can I just say I hope you don't get modkilled
[20:10:25] ‹Espithel› I like you
[20:10:26] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› that's not true at all
[20:10:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› what do we get if dd is town?
[20:10:43] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you chief
[20:11:15] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› half the people voting me admit that they think i'm town
[20:11:27] ‹MasterWalks› we get to lynch linkcat for O R C H E S T R A T I N G
[20:11:33] ‹Coffeeditto› great. don't say everyone if you don't mean everyone
[20:11:37] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› We get fill in a heck of a lot of that vote chart with green.
[20:11:42] ‹Coffeeditto› because you don't know everyone's motives
[20:11:53] ‹Coffeeditto› also, in reference to:
[20:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:12:11] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› how so?
[20:12:16] ‹Linkcat› And then I'll push a lynch on you, Calin, or Mobian.
[20:12:43] ‹Coffeeditto› that doesn't change that now he knows he wouldn't be lynched if your ulterior goal is to lynch dd. he would feel no need to reveal info unless you were okay and willing to lynch him, which would mean that you scumread both espi and dd
[20:12:43] ‹Linkcat› We make every dd green and he'd be a leading wagon all three days.
[20:13:04] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› why would i be roleblocked by town after claiming GN
[20:13:16] ‹kaempfer13› green would mean that you think everyone that either did or didnt vote dd is town
[20:13:33] ‹kaempfer13› but you just said mafia would push for a dd lynch
[20:13:38] ‹MasterWalks› lol everyone is mafia
[20:14:00] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› how is that line relevant to the current conversation?
[20:14:09] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Yes, I don't think we're going to fill in his name as green.
[20:14:14] ‹kaempfer13› so if hes green we can expect about 1 or 2 mafia among the votes according to your premises
[20:14:22] ‹shockcannon› [23:11:59] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:09:34] ‹shockcannon› because that person is mafia
[20:14:32] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[20:15:15] ‹kaempfer13› but it could be any of them
[20:15:59] ‹Coffeeditto› okay check this out. if you're mafia, then you could have claimed GN and faked being roleblocked
[20:16:16] ‹kaempfer13› sure dd is mentioned a lot, but just filling his name green alone doesnt take us that far
[20:16:19] ‹Linkcat› A lot of those people are being townread by me or are me so that will narrow it down a lot.
[20:16:24] ‹Coffeeditto› if someone else claimed to have roleblocked you, they also could be a lying mafia
[20:16:28] ‹Linkcat› Plus everything we would get from the votes today.
[20:16:38] ‹MasterWalks› i dont understand what everyone means by green
[20:16:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› okay check this out
[20:17:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› its convention to mark confirmed towmmembers with green
[20:17:10] ‹shockcannon› literally anyone else who role claimed could've lied
[20:17:16] ‹shockcannon› and had their mafia teammate be their target and lie
[20:17:16] ‹kaempfer13› as I did in my lynchlog
[20:17:20] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah, you right
[20:17:22] ‹Coffeeditto› so what?
[20:17:25] ‹kaempfer13› (they are all dead)
[20:17:46] ‹MasterWalks› oh, so we can assume that everyone who voted dd is "green" meaning they are town? That makes no sense to me
[20:17:54] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› It will take us farther than anyone else's name being filled in green, and if he's red like I expect then that'll take us way farther than anyone else's name being filled in red.
[20:18:08] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› no just dd will flip town
[20:18:15] ‹MasterWalks› oh ok
[20:18:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› do you think i'm mafia
[20:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:19:25] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› We have another memeword now
[20:19:33] ‹kaempfer13› i argue thats not enough
[20:19:34] ‹Espithel› W E A K T O W N
[20:19:47] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› O P T I M A L is still my vote
[20:19:56] ‹MasterWalks› weaktown is good too tho
[20:20:06] ‹MasterWalks› but hasnt been said enough
[20:20:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› give me your reason why espithel is mafia
[20:20:12] ‹shockcannon› because if the three of us teamed
[20:20:21] ‹shockcannon› we can make something happen and ignore town and mafia distractions
[20:20:25] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Who do you want to lynch, then?
[20:20:28] ‹Linkcat› Push a read.
[20:20:43] ‹MasterWalks› its in my Day 1 votes
[20:20:47] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i have an idea
[20:21:04] ‹shockcannon› do you agree that mafia is likely guiding town attention and voting?
[20:21:22] ‹Linkcat› No, I think mafia is mostly hanging back.
[20:21:39] ‹shockcannon› then we gather the 8 most quiet people
[20:21:42] ‹shockcannon› and we 1d8
[20:21:44] ‹shockcannon› and go for it
[20:21:48] ‹MasterWalks› i dont know about that.
[20:22:02] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› W E A K T O W N playing S U B O P T I M A L L Y
[20:22:03] ‹shockcannon› its the O P T I M A L play
[20:22:12] ‹shockcannon› 50/50 chance
[20:22:13] ‹Linkcat› I don't believe in lynching randomly in a group.
[20:22:15] ‹shockcannon› it doesn't get better than that
[20:22:21] ‹MasterWalks› quiet people are already getting killed off. mafia will paint themself into a corner if they are being quiet and killing the quiet
[20:22:24] ‹Linkcat› I tried to push math and nobody followed.
[20:22:34] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:18:48] ‹shockcannon› or do you think lynching me is your best shot at winning regardless of if im mafia?
[20:22:42] ‹Coffeeditto› both of these things are not mutually exclusive
[20:22:55] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› afk or quiet does not mean mafia
[20:23:05] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› basically you believe that a secondary role (randomly given to mafia and town alike) and a rule question expose him
[20:23:08] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i'm 99% certain 1 of the 5 people voting on me now is mafia
[20:23:19] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› why?
[20:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:23:43] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› That's your reasoning for me?
[20:23:45] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› wait what? when did i say that
[20:23:46] ‹Espithel› The day one stuff?
[20:23:50] ‹Espithel› It's day 3
[20:23:51] ‹Espithel› C'mon
[20:23:53] ‹Espithel› Update your shit
[20:23:54] ‹shockcannon› the town move is to vote on me
[20:23:55] ‹Linkcat› All we got was a vote on the leading train and my biggest townread.
[20:23:58] ‹shockcannon› i hurt town
[20:24:00] ‹Espithel› I must've done something spooky since then
[20:24:01] ‹Linkcat› Pretty scummy if you ask me.
[20:24:04] ‹shockcannon› so what's the mafia blend in play?
[20:24:08] ‹shockcannon› it's to vote on me also
[20:24:42] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› you asked for a roleblock and sth about espi being ffq if hes mafia
[20:24:43] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:40] ‹shockcannon› think about it
[20:24:44] ‹shockcannon› and suppose Linkcat is town and is on to something
[20:24:44] ‹Espithel› Not necessarily.
[20:24:56] ‹kaempfer13› it didnt really make sense for sure
[20:24:56] ‹shockcannon› well if they get my vote count high
[20:24:59] ‹shockcannon› town is going to ignore LInkcat
[20:25:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› I think the mafia love you.
[20:25:11] ‹Espithel› Look at how they're lynching - quiet people.
[20:25:18] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› I think there's 2 mafia on you.
[20:25:18] ‹shockcannon› no one cares about a single vote on someone when someone else has 5 votes
[20:25:19] ‹Coffeeditto› if your argument is that the people left alive makes that statistically true, then you're statistically incorrect
[20:25:25] ‹Espithel› It implies a contentness with how the town is going.
[20:25:26] ‹Coffeeditto› also please answer instead of dodging
[20:25:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› i just answered why
[20:25:45] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:25:56] ‹shockcannon› what am I dodging?
[20:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› ok. You want to know how mafia is playing? Literally look how espi is playing. but there is a problem. No one is playing like him. My guess is mafia is "splitting up" and taking on different strategies. One is probably quiet, one is super talkative (espi), one is playing strategically, and the last one is probably playing dumb
[20:26:08] ‹shockcannon› mafia is voting on me to make other votes irrelevant
[20:26:31] ‹Coffeeditto› voting on someone to reveal info is something you fought against half an hour ago
[20:26:40] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› but you don't know that
[20:26:43] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Move to dd and make them pay attention.
[20:26:48] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@kaempfer13› espi being FFQ i fell back on. I thought about it more and dunno if thats true. i DO think he is mafia so therefore i want him blocked
[20:26:49] ‹Coffeeditto› and you're acting like this is all certain
[20:26:53] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› obviously
[20:26:56] ‹Linkcat› Talking is not the same as revealing.
[20:27:07] ‹Linkcat› He literally has 5 posts.
[20:27:13] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› i gotta be honest with you the only other viable options i see are quiet people, shock, dd, you and rootranger
[20:27:14] ‹Coffeeditto› but this isn't, and you don't definitely know what's going on, so don't say 99% when you don't mean 99%
[20:27:15] ‹Linkcat› One of those is his signup post.
[20:27:20] • Espithel 's urge to roleclaim fucking spikes through the roof
[20:27:25] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› I fell back on that too. I said to please ignore that strategy
[20:27:28] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Linkcat› why do you want him to talk? for a scum read?
[20:27:49] ‹Coffeeditto› we certainly aren't scum reading anyone based on their low activity of posts this game
[20:27:53] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Great, out of those let's lynch dd, quiet people, and Root in that order.
[20:28:16] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet doesn't mean scummy
[20:28:18] ‹Coffeeditto› I repeat
[20:28:22] ‹Coffeeditto› quiet does not mean scummy
[20:28:32] ‹Espithel› It does, however, mean useless.
[20:28:40] ‹shockcannon› here's the real question of the day
[20:28:45] ‹shockcannon› if I AM mafia
[20:28:51] ‹shockcannon› does that mean I'm actually playing really well?
[20:29:01] ‹Espithel› Yes.
[20:29:02] ‹Linkcat› If you're quiet then you're not helping town advance the game.
[20:29:06] ‹shockcannon› or am I bad mafia then?
[20:29:15] ‹Espithel› You faffed day 3
[20:29:18] ‹kaempfer13› yh, but its not helping town in a way thats obvious to even the dumbest player thats town
[20:29:26] ‹MasterWalks› no body cares if youre mafia. you will probably be lynched soon and if you are mafia, you will slip up,
[20:29:36] ‹Linkcat› You just leave yourself as a question mark for mafia to lead a mislynch on in the endgame.
[20:29:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Well
[20:29:44] ‹Coffeeditto› okay, here's my thought process
[20:29:51] ‹MyNameIsJoey› mafia sure gave a new life to blab.
[20:29:58] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› If you're mafia then you're a god.
[20:30:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Also, yeah. It's reasonable that all the mafia have different behaviour.
[20:30:05] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're quiet, you're not helping town and you're not helping mafia, or they're about the same
[20:30:21] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› if me being mafia is such a rare possibility
[20:30:24] ‹shockcannon› why is everyone voting me up?
[20:30:28] ‹Coffeeditto› if you're saying so much that people are forced to claim, you're not helping town as much as you're helping maf
[20:30:50] ‹Linkcat› Being active is always more beneficial to town than to mafia.
[20:30:56] ‹shockcannon› I haven't forced a single person to claim
[20:31:08] ‹Coffeeditto› that's not true at all
[20:31:10] ‹Linkcat› ‹@shockcannon› Because they're bad.
[20:31:15] ‹Coffeeditto› you can't make that blanket statement
[20:31:21] ‹MasterWalks› (im not going to post this log. I posted the last log and it mentally drained me)
[20:31:23] ‹Linkcat› I am having some serious deja vu right now.
[20:31:25] ‹shockcannon› I can
[20:31:30] ‹Coffeeditto› also, that was a fallacy. don't call people that don't agree with you bad players
[20:31:38] ‹Linkcat› Like double layered deja vu.
[20:31:40] ‹Espithel› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur bad
[20:31:47] ‹MasterWalks› deja bow
[20:31:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› thats what 4/5 players voting me are doing
[20:31:51] ‹shockcannon› or 3/5
[20:31:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@Coffeeditto› ur mama is bad
[20:32:00] ‹shockcannon› root doesnt agree with me
[20:32:06] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :sillyspin:
[20:32:20] ‹shockcannon› calindu doesnt agree with me
[20:32:20] ‹Espithel› Root's argument against you goes a lot deeper than just not agreeing with you
[20:32:21] ‹shockcannon› he calls me bad
[20:32:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› also @masterwalks
[20:32:35] ‹shockcannon› root only lynches town
[20:32:38] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› Okay, they're bad or they're mafia or they're just tired of his shit, which is a bad reason to lynch, or they're Root in possible combination with any of those.
We talk about my push, the philosophy behind it, and the current state of the game. Coffee actually talks.[20:33:14] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› I don't have to agree with the people doing the same thing as me, to do that thing, right?
[20:33:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I know that shock
[20:33:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Espithel› thank you
[20:33:35] ‹MyNameIsJoey› but then what do you do?
[20:33:40] ‹Coffeeditto› [23:23:42] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Coffeeditto› I know, I just wanted him to talk.
[20:33:41] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Just wait under bonewall?
[20:33:41] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› no
[20:33:57] ‹shockcannon› but its questionable to align with people who have a mindset that you are opposed to
[20:34:07] ‹Coffeeditto› why?
[20:34:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› i thought it was a shitty deck but it wrecked adrenastaves. I usually wait for the cells to get round 10 of them then T Storm them. cells dont do crap for dmg
[20:34:14] ‹Coffeeditto› what makes you believe that?
[20:34:35] ‹shockcannon› does it not bother you that the people you are voting with are voting for a reason that you dislike?
[20:34:49] ‹Coffeeditto› No, why should it?
[20:35:27] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› your deck you linked was what it looked like at first. i NEVER run stalls so thought id try something new.
[20:35:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› btw, the deck I linked is so old
[20:35:56] ‹MyNameIsJoey› that thunderstorm used to cost only 2 quanta and deal only 1 damage
[20:36:13] ‹MyNameIsJoey› the buff to thunderstorm was actually a nerf for this deck.
[20:36:21] ‹shockcannon› idk because this is mafia and things like that should be taken note of
[20:36:39] ‹MasterWalks› ask shock, i try to play weird decks more than winning decks. If i try to win, i only have deja bow.
[20:36:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I think I misunderstood your question
[20:37:02] ‹shockcannon› like if you were voting on a political leader today
[20:37:10] ‹MyNameIsJoey› problem with this kind of deck
[20:37:18] ‹shockcannon› and then a bunch of Nazi's started to vote with you on that person, you wouldn't be the least bit concerned?
[20:37:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Is that what you think is stalling, needs stalling to be installed.
[20:37:31] ‹Coffeeditto› you really really
[20:37:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› A rush will easily beat you off.
[20:37:43] ‹Coffeeditto› just compared the people voting on you other than me to nazis
[20:37:49] ‹shockcannon› you wouldn't reevaluate your candidate just for even a second?
[20:38:00] ‹shockcannon› I needed an extreme example
[20:38:08] ‹Coffeeditto› I definitely would
[20:38:15] ‹Coffeeditto› but the people voting on you are not nazis
[20:38:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Coffeeditto› and I technically just compared myself to someone that nazis would vote on
[20:38:25] ‹Coffeeditto› and you are not a political leader
[20:38:33] ‹MyNameIsJoey› Are you sure about that, coffee?
[20:38:37] ‹MyNameIsJoey› :silly:
[20:38:40] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› oh believe me i love rush, it would totally beat me off.... but no rush actually gets countered by that deck pretty well
[20:38:40] ‹shockcannon› obviously
[20:38:50] ‹shockcannon› metaphors are never even close to direclty relatable
[20:38:54] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MyNameIsJoey› ;)
[20:39:04] ‹Coffeeditto› so that metaphor can't be applied here
[20:39:05] ‹shockcannon› thats the point of the metaphor
[20:39:07] ‹Coffeeditto› this is mafia
[20:39:13] ‹Coffeeditto› not a country
[20:39:15] ‹MyNameIsJoey› ‹@MasterWalks› I've tried many different versions.
[20:39:50] ‹Coffeeditto› the equivalent to what you said is that I should be concerened that I, a town, am voting you, a mafia, with many other mafias
[20:39:53] ‹Coffeeditto› not applicable
[20:39:53] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe its a good deck. I posted it because eveyone who played it loved it and thought it was original .
[20:40:11] ‹MasterWalks› i didnt even think it was original as i stated in my post
[20:40:22] ‹MyNameIsJoey› thing is
[20:40:30] ‹MyNameIsJoey› I believe it could be a good deck in a specific setting
[20:40:55] ‹shockcannon› you like being technical dont you
[20:41:03] ‹MyNameIsJoey› example of mods I tried
[20:41:07] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/4sk52gz152sz3534z3542z55c25c5710z572iz27aj7al8pn
[20:41:10] ‹MasterWalks› it was a hard counter in my first 12 lives match against Oa's adrenastaves
[20:41:24] ‹MyNameIsJoey› http://dek.im/deck/z452gz152sz3534z1542z55ijz2710z2714z272iz17gp8pp
[20:41:25] ‹MasterWalks› wait
[20:41:29] ‹shockcannon› you know
[20:41:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› no, I don't like arguing and I meant to go to the store 2 hours ago
[20:41:36] ‹MasterWalks› the point is TStorm and bonewall
[20:42:27] ‹MyNameIsJoey› yeah the 2nd one will fit more with your idea.
[20:42:33] ‹MasterWalks› now youre just posting afla decks
[20:42:44] ‹MasterWalks› dry spell i like
[20:42:47] ‹MasterWalks› thats smart
[20:43:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› those are decks I used last trials.
[20:43:12] ‹shockcannon› then go to the store
[20:43:29] ‹Coffeeditto› I would love to, I haven't had food all day
[20:43:38] ‹MyNameIsJoey› At first my idea with this deck was to create cells, then kill em all and have vulture OTK, but then I realized
[20:43:39] ‹Coffeeditto› but I also am human and want closure on this conversation
[20:43:46] ‹shockcannon› this game is meant to be fun. if discussion isn't fun for you don't feel like you ahve to partake
[20:44:00] ‹MasterWalks› im having fun
[20:44:01] ‹MyNameIsJoey› What if I can fill their whole board with cells, then I am forming a sort of denial deck, where I am denialing my opponent from playing creatures.
[20:44:26] ‹MasterWalks› ahh so permafrost
[20:44:31] ‹MasterWalks› smart
[20:44:33] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› the last time I felt like I didn't have to partake, Link wanted to vote on me to get me to talk
[20:44:38] ‹MasterWalks› only sopa would really counter that
[20:44:58] ‹MyNameIsJoey› rush decks beat it too.
[20:44:58] ‹Coffeeditto› are you going to be here in around 45 minutes? I enjoy talking with you
I'm not going to edit this because you don't need to read it.
Discussion is still ongoing in chat.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 02, 2019, 06:17:29 am
- The only things that are guaranteed to be controlled by town are GN and lynch.
- Lynching is the main way of eliminating scum. (Oty and Toadfish can kill, but only once.)
- Town needs to be prepared with a Plan B once the GN, Crusader, Vulture, and FE are all dead. On a related note, it's not always the best play to constantly rely on the GN
- People must think for themselves, instead of relying on vets to carry them. (Need to practice what I preach...)
(This part is dedicated to arguing against no lynch)
- The Day phase favors the Town, since the town are able to control the lynches with sheer numbers alone. Sure, mafia can try to sway the lynch to their advantage but in order to do this they have to be very convincing while also making sure not to give themselves away.
- In contrast, the Night phase favors Mafia. Nightkill is guaranteed to kill a town, while lynching might hit mafia. Since Mafia can privately discuss how they want to coordinate the usage of their abilities, they don't need to risk using abilities in a way that harms them. Meanwhile, protown abilities can backfire on town during this phase (Ex. Town GA protecting Mafia from being targetted.)
- Voting no lynch means you can't kill scum reliably. (There is a chance killing roles can be on mafia. Even if all of the killing roles were on town, they only get one shot to kill scum. If they kill town using this one shot, they can't try again.) It also means that you give mafia a free nightkill, since you effectively waste a Day phase by voting no lynch.
- While no lynch does preserve town numbers, it doesn't do anything to decrease mafia numbers. Meanwhile, lynching either decreases mafia by one member and town by one member, or it decreases town by two members. In a game where the objective of town is to get rid of all the mafia, it's better to take the gamble instead of delay mafia's victory.
TL;DR for this specific part:
Lynching can kill scum
Scum kills can't.
Less lynching = more scum kills. (quote from Mafia Scum, by iamausername)
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 02, 2019, 06:19:20 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 06:54:40 am
SO SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME. WHO IS MAFIA? Because apparently lynching JCJ and ian blindly was supposed to help us find mafia. So where are those reads now? Because apparently the read is me, the one who tried to make sure we didn't lynch when we didn't actually have anything to go off. Instead of focusing all your efforts on complaining about my chaos, how about doing what you said you would do, which is learning some magical amount of info from the JCJ and ian lynch. Let's get some actual reads here and stop wasting time.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 07:12:52 am
[20:45:31] ‹shockcannon› don't let link pressure you
[20:45:34] ‹shockcannon› I still think he's mafia
[20:45:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› there you go kid
[20:46:06] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› may be confirmation bias, but when I mark the votes so far with my townreads almost everyone thats voted on is green
[20:46:09] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans turns town i'm probably voting linkcat from there on out
[20:46:17] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› thanks champ
[20:46:32] ‹kaempfer13› as such Id like to move away from what we have so far
[20:48:03] ‹shockcannon› if mafia is mobian, immortal feud, ginyu, mathman I think we just lose
[20:55:09] ‹Coffeeditto› be back soon
[20:55:10] ‹Coffeeditto› Notice me, senpai!
[20:55:22] ‹MasterWalks› day phase will end before i am awake.
[20:55:35] ‹MasterWalks› please dont lynch me just because i cant defend myself
[20:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› seems like the meta in this mafia
[20:56:24] ‹MasterWalks› shock is meta slave so he will probably try to lynch me anyways
[21:00:18] ‹kaempfer13› although its probably best to kill of one of the roleclaimees before exposing gn any further
[21:01:02] ‹kaempfer13› but i feel like they are all town, even if most of them idiotic
[21:01:29] ‹MasterWalks› ddevans is too smart to be idiotic
[21:02:12] ‹kaempfer13› dd was extremely pressured and had to basically expect his role to be revealed one way or another
[21:02:31] ‹kaempfer13› and calin tried to prevent an early gn claim
[21:03:09] ‹MasterWalks› i still think one of them is lying
[21:05:02] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Who is not green?
[21:05:20] ‹Linkcat› In the line you pinged me.
[21:06:00] ‹kaempfer13› RR, link, math, moe, immortal, shock, coffee, Ginyu, espi, master
[21:07:20] ‹Linkcat› Didn't you say dd was a viable option?
[21:07:21] ‹Espithel› Green meaning?
[21:07:56] ‹Linkcat› Espi, name your scumreads.
[21:08:55] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› Its the most logical lynch, but I feel like some things would have gone differently with him if he was mafia
[21:09:47] ‹kaempfer13› like why did it even get so far on day 1
[21:10:32] ‹Linkcat› Because I pushed him.
[21:10:46] ‹shockcannon› what does green mean?
[21:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Like I said, it's easy for mafia to randomly be a leading lynch Day 1.
[21:11:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› elemental
[21:11:24] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› ergo you are mafia :sillyspin:
[21:11:33] ‹Linkcat› I backed off on my accusation that same Day and it's not even relevant to my current read on him.
[21:11:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› can you not title that shock brings up nazis?
[21:12:14] ‹Linkcat› Too late, editing is against the rules.
[21:12:25] ‹shockcannon› lol
[21:12:51] ‹Linkcat› And if you didn't want that to happen then maybe you shouldn't have brought up Nazis lol.
[21:13:19] ‹Linkcat› I can't wait for dd to get back.
[21:13:22] ‹Linkcat› This is going to be fun.
[21:14:17] ‹Mobian› Oh dear, it seems I missed quite a bit
[21:14:29] ‹MasterWalks› how did you not hit character limit with that post
[21:14:47] ‹Linkcat› It was very close.
[21:16:11] ‹Linkcat› I had to do so much goddamn editing. For some reason it copy/pasted the entirety of the chat history available to me in every one of those sections, which goes back 16 hours.
[21:16:58] ‹MasterWalks› the same happened to me.
[21:17:21] ‹Mobian› So, I did some light reading, saw shock try to shift accusation onto me. What concerns have you all about me?
[21:17:43] ‹MasterWalks› I dont have any.
[21:19:35] ‹shockcannon› if anyone comments about nazis make this chatlog spoiler shock apology
[21:19:50] ‹shockcannon› coffeeditto was not making sense to me so I went for an extreme
[21:20:07] ‹shockcannon› he still didn't resolve his weird response to my initial question though
[21:20:27] ‹shockcannon› but yeah, prob shouldn't have brought that up
[21:20:43] ‹Linkcat› It's fine.
[21:27:49] ddevans96 joined.
[21:27:56] ‹Linkcat› Hey dd.
[21:28:01] ‹ddevans96› heya :)
[21:34:07] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› he was talking about trying to get the lynch in not Nking you
[21:34:34] ‹ddevans96› oh wow, I'm big dumb
[21:34:48] ‹ddevans96› it's supposed to say lynch
[21:35:00] ‹ddevans96› I did very little proofreading in that section, was focused elsewhere
[21:35:51] ‹shockcannon› crap
[21:35:53] ‹shockcannon› im conflicted
[21:36:01] ‹shockcannon› now I think linkcat and ddevans are both super town
[21:36:14] ‹shockcannon› but they dont think the other is town
[21:36:29] ‹kaempfer13› also amusing that your attitude about me being lean town changed back to lean mafia, because im kinda sorta defending you
[21:36:48] ‹ddevans96› no?
[21:37:01] ‹ddevans96› definitely didn't get that part wrong
[21:37:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm talking about Link's reads, not mine
[21:37:33] ‹kaempfer13› you said sometime yesterday that after rereading key posts you finally saw me as townish
[21:37:40] ‹ddevans96› yes
[21:37:41] ‹ddevans96› this is the case
[21:39:43] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@kaempfer13› you're not town to someone even though you're defending them
[21:39:46] ‹ddevans96› are you talking about me putting you in the group of '1 or 2 of these is probably mafia'? bc that's different from a scumread
[21:40:14] ‹ddevans96› it could -become- a scumread later in the game, if the others in that group flip/start looking like town
[21:40:48] ‹kaempfer13› oh yh, i legit misread
[21:41:08] ‹ddevans96› if someone doesn't misread my posts I'm surprised
[21:41:13] ‹ddevans96› they're long, rambly, and have big autism energy
[21:41:19] ‹ddevans96› so no worries lol
[21:46:02] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› yh, defending is actually kinda a scummy thing to do and I really need to stop doing it, but dd would know if he was town
[21:46:35] ‹ddevans96› what do you mean?
[21:47:03] ‹Mobian› ‹@kaempfer13› How is defending scummy?
[21:47:15] ‹kaempfer13› there are exactly 5 people that could claim with confidence someones alignment
[21:47:29] ‹kaempfer13› 4 of them are evil
[21:47:41] ‹Linkcat› Defending is not scummy.
[21:47:50] ‹Mobian› You should ALWAYS stand up for yourself, make the best case you can. Otherwise silence can be interpreted as compliance
[21:47:58] ‹kaempfer13› and the other one cant expose themselves
[21:48:13] ‹kaempfer13› so if i defend a mafia im basically dead
[21:48:23] ‹Coffeeditto› defending others can sometimes be scummy
[21:48:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Mobian› talking about other people
[21:50:42] ‹Mobian› Ah
[21:50:50] ‹Linkcat› You should always defend your townreads.
[21:51:05] ‹Linkcat› Or any accusation that's baseless, actually.
[21:51:59] ‹kaempfer13› yh, thats my automatic instinct anyway
[21:52:27] ‹ddevans96› Link is probably town
[21:52:37] ‹Mobian› DD, what puts me in the category of "1 of these is def maf"?
[21:53:25] ‹kaempfer13› but perhaps i should only do that if im pretty confident because it backfiring not only gets me likely killed but also wastes towns time
[21:53:46] ‹ddevans96› which is an issue, bc I'm also a town lean for MW and Cal, and I think one of those three is the real O R C H E S T R A T O R
[21:54:31] ‹shockcannon› is there a world where ddevans and linkcat are both town?
[21:54:39] ‹ddevans96› yes
[21:54:47] ‹Coffeeditto› there's certainly a world, yeah
[21:54:57] ‹Mobian› Maybe
[21:55:37] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Mobian› basically the d1 vote that put me pretty far in the lead, and the post accompanying it
[21:55:48] ‹ddevans96› to be clear, you're a neutral lean for me
[21:56:39] ‹ddevans96› but - that is something that definitely was an 'anti-dd' thing, for lack of a better term
[21:56:50] ‹Mobian› For what it's worth, I've been reading you as town lately
[21:56:53] ‹ddevans96› the group of 5 you're in is similar
[21:57:32] ‹ddevans96› I think one person who's pushed hard against me is mafia, one or two that have pushed a small amount against me, and one or two elsewhere
[21:57:39] ‹ddevans96› if that clarifies those groupings
[21:58:13] ‹ddevans96› hm, fair
[21:59:36] ‹Coffeeditto› what makes someone who is against someone else definitely mafia?
[22:00:02] ‹Coffeeditto› for reference, this is not directed to anyone's particular situation
[22:00:33] ‹kaempfer13› flipping mafia upon getting lynched
[22:01:53] ‹Coffeeditto› why does that change anything?
[22:02:29] ‹kaempfer13› its the only way to truly confirm it for everyone
[22:02:55] ‹Coffeeditto› oh wait, my bad
[22:02:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I phrased that poorly
[22:03:26] ‹Coffeeditto› imagine you're a town, playing mafia
[22:03:34] ‹Coffeeditto› someone else pushes you hard
[22:03:49] ‹Coffeeditto› you don't have any role info for that person, you don't know their alignment
[22:03:53] ‹Coffeeditto› do you assume they're mafia?
[22:05:35] ‹Linkcat› Depends on their reasoning and the way they pushed it.
[22:07:20] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› stay calm, see if they had a good reason to assume and dont make emotional decisions
[22:07:29] ‹Coffeeditto› agreed
[22:07:47] ‹Coffeeditto› someone voting on you does not make them mafia
[22:15:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› hope that helps. 3rd spoiler really isnt that short but still should read it
[23:17:44] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› time to destroy shockcannon using FACTS and LOGIC
[23:42:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› DESTROYED WITH FACTS AND LOGIC
[23:43:00] • Espithel coughs.
[23:43:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Are you alive?
[23:43:19] ‹Espithel› There is something very mafia I wish to talk about.
[23:44:31] ‹Linkcat› I was literally about to post the log.
[23:44:36] ‹Linkcat› Why, Espi.
[23:46:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I don’t think anyone gets my post
[23:46:57] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Except maybe linkcat
[23:48:22] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I guess it’s no surprise I’m being voted up right now then
[23:48:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Obvious satire isn’t obvious apparently
[23:58:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› Good news!
[23:58:22] ‹Espithel› He's dead!
[23:58:37] ‹Espithel› I guess I could discuss it with you instead but I like evans more than you!
[23:58:49] ‹Linkcat› </3
[20:45:34] ‹shockcannon› I still think he's mafia
[20:45:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› there you go kid
[20:46:06] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› may be confirmation bias, but when I mark the votes so far with my townreads almost everyone thats voted on is green
[20:46:09] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans turns town i'm probably voting linkcat from there on out
[20:46:17] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› thanks champ
[20:46:32] ‹kaempfer13› as such Id like to move away from what we have so far
[20:48:03] ‹shockcannon› if mafia is mobian, immortal feud, ginyu, mathman I think we just lose
[20:55:09] ‹Coffeeditto› be back soon
[20:55:10] ‹Coffeeditto› Notice me, senpai!
[20:55:22] ‹MasterWalks› day phase will end before i am awake.
[20:55:35] ‹MasterWalks› please dont lynch me just because i cant defend myself
[20:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› seems like the meta in this mafia
[20:56:24] ‹MasterWalks› shock is meta slave so he will probably try to lynch me anyways
[21:00:18] ‹kaempfer13› although its probably best to kill of one of the roleclaimees before exposing gn any further
[21:01:02] ‹kaempfer13› but i feel like they are all town, even if most of them idiotic
[21:01:29] ‹MasterWalks› ddevans is too smart to be idiotic
[21:02:12] ‹kaempfer13› dd was extremely pressured and had to basically expect his role to be revealed one way or another
[21:02:31] ‹kaempfer13› and calin tried to prevent an early gn claim
[21:03:09] ‹MasterWalks› i still think one of them is lying
[21:05:02] ‹Linkcat› ‹@kaempfer13› Who is not green?
[21:05:20] ‹Linkcat› In the line you pinged me.
[21:06:00] ‹kaempfer13› RR, link, math, moe, immortal, shock, coffee, Ginyu, espi, master
[21:07:20] ‹Linkcat› Didn't you say dd was a viable option?
[21:07:21] ‹Espithel› Green meaning?
[21:07:56] ‹Linkcat› Espi, name your scumreads.
[21:08:55] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› Its the most logical lynch, but I feel like some things would have gone differently with him if he was mafia
[21:09:47] ‹kaempfer13› like why did it even get so far on day 1
[21:10:32] ‹Linkcat› Because I pushed him.
[21:10:46] ‹shockcannon› what does green mean?
[21:10:57] ‹Linkcat› Like I said, it's easy for mafia to randomly be a leading lynch Day 1.
[21:11:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› ‹@shockcannon› elemental
[21:11:24] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Linkcat› ergo you are mafia :sillyspin:
[21:11:33] ‹Linkcat› I backed off on my accusation that same Day and it's not even relevant to my current read on him.
[21:11:49] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› can you not title that shock brings up nazis?
[21:12:14] ‹Linkcat› Too late, editing is against the rules.
[21:12:25] ‹shockcannon› lol
[21:12:51] ‹Linkcat› And if you didn't want that to happen then maybe you shouldn't have brought up Nazis lol.
[21:13:19] ‹Linkcat› I can't wait for dd to get back.
[21:13:22] ‹Linkcat› This is going to be fun.
[21:14:17] ‹Mobian› Oh dear, it seems I missed quite a bit
[21:14:29] ‹MasterWalks› how did you not hit character limit with that post
[21:14:47] ‹Linkcat› It was very close.
[21:16:11] ‹Linkcat› I had to do so much goddamn editing. For some reason it copy/pasted the entirety of the chat history available to me in every one of those sections, which goes back 16 hours.
[21:16:58] ‹MasterWalks› the same happened to me.
[21:17:21] ‹Mobian› So, I did some light reading, saw shock try to shift accusation onto me. What concerns have you all about me?
[21:17:43] ‹MasterWalks› I dont have any.
[21:19:35] ‹shockcannon› if anyone comments about nazis make this chatlog spoiler shock apology
[21:19:50] ‹shockcannon› coffeeditto was not making sense to me so I went for an extreme
[21:20:07] ‹shockcannon› he still didn't resolve his weird response to my initial question though
[21:20:27] ‹shockcannon› but yeah, prob shouldn't have brought that up
[21:20:43] ‹Linkcat› It's fine.
[21:27:49] ddevans96 joined.
[21:27:56] ‹Linkcat› Hey dd.
[21:28:01] ‹ddevans96› heya :)
[21:34:07] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› he was talking about trying to get the lynch in not Nking you
[21:34:34] ‹ddevans96› oh wow, I'm big dumb
[21:34:48] ‹ddevans96› it's supposed to say lynch
[21:35:00] ‹ddevans96› I did very little proofreading in that section, was focused elsewhere
[21:35:51] ‹shockcannon› crap
[21:35:53] ‹shockcannon› im conflicted
[21:36:01] ‹shockcannon› now I think linkcat and ddevans are both super town
[21:36:14] ‹shockcannon› but they dont think the other is town
[21:36:29] ‹kaempfer13› also amusing that your attitude about me being lean town changed back to lean mafia, because im kinda sorta defending you
[21:36:48] ‹ddevans96› no?
[21:37:01] ‹ddevans96› definitely didn't get that part wrong
[21:37:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm talking about Link's reads, not mine
[21:37:33] ‹kaempfer13› you said sometime yesterday that after rereading key posts you finally saw me as townish
[21:37:40] ‹ddevans96› yes
[21:37:41] ‹ddevans96› this is the case
[21:39:43] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@kaempfer13› you're not town to someone even though you're defending them
[21:39:46] ‹ddevans96› are you talking about me putting you in the group of '1 or 2 of these is probably mafia'? bc that's different from a scumread
[21:40:14] ‹ddevans96› it could -become- a scumread later in the game, if the others in that group flip/start looking like town
[21:40:48] ‹kaempfer13› oh yh, i legit misread
[21:41:08] ‹ddevans96› if someone doesn't misread my posts I'm surprised
[21:41:13] ‹ddevans96› they're long, rambly, and have big autism energy
[21:41:19] ‹ddevans96› so no worries lol
[21:46:02] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› yh, defending is actually kinda a scummy thing to do and I really need to stop doing it, but dd would know if he was town
[21:46:35] ‹ddevans96› what do you mean?
[21:47:03] ‹Mobian› ‹@kaempfer13› How is defending scummy?
[21:47:15] ‹kaempfer13› there are exactly 5 people that could claim with confidence someones alignment
[21:47:29] ‹kaempfer13› 4 of them are evil
[21:47:41] ‹Linkcat› Defending is not scummy.
[21:47:50] ‹Mobian› You should ALWAYS stand up for yourself, make the best case you can. Otherwise silence can be interpreted as compliance
[21:47:58] ‹kaempfer13› and the other one cant expose themselves
[21:48:13] ‹kaempfer13› so if i defend a mafia im basically dead
[21:48:23] ‹Coffeeditto› defending others can sometimes be scummy
[21:48:26] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Mobian› talking about other people
[21:50:42] ‹Mobian› Ah
[21:50:50] ‹Linkcat› You should always defend your townreads.
[21:51:05] ‹Linkcat› Or any accusation that's baseless, actually.
[21:51:59] ‹kaempfer13› yh, thats my automatic instinct anyway
[21:52:27] ‹ddevans96› Link is probably town
[21:52:37] ‹Mobian› DD, what puts me in the category of "1 of these is def maf"?
[21:53:25] ‹kaempfer13› but perhaps i should only do that if im pretty confident because it backfiring not only gets me likely killed but also wastes towns time
[21:53:46] ‹ddevans96› which is an issue, bc I'm also a town lean for MW and Cal, and I think one of those three is the real O R C H E S T R A T O R
[21:54:31] ‹shockcannon› is there a world where ddevans and linkcat are both town?
[21:54:39] ‹ddevans96› yes
[21:54:47] ‹Coffeeditto› there's certainly a world, yeah
[21:54:57] ‹Mobian› Maybe
[21:55:37] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Mobian› basically the d1 vote that put me pretty far in the lead, and the post accompanying it
[21:55:48] ‹ddevans96› to be clear, you're a neutral lean for me
[21:56:39] ‹ddevans96› but - that is something that definitely was an 'anti-dd' thing, for lack of a better term
[21:56:50] ‹Mobian› For what it's worth, I've been reading you as town lately
[21:56:53] ‹ddevans96› the group of 5 you're in is similar
[21:57:32] ‹ddevans96› I think one person who's pushed hard against me is mafia, one or two that have pushed a small amount against me, and one or two elsewhere
[21:57:39] ‹ddevans96› if that clarifies those groupings
[21:58:13] ‹ddevans96› hm, fair
[21:59:36] ‹Coffeeditto› what makes someone who is against someone else definitely mafia?
[22:00:02] ‹Coffeeditto› for reference, this is not directed to anyone's particular situation
[22:00:33] ‹kaempfer13› flipping mafia upon getting lynched
[22:01:53] ‹Coffeeditto› why does that change anything?
[22:02:29] ‹kaempfer13› its the only way to truly confirm it for everyone
[22:02:55] ‹Coffeeditto› oh wait, my bad
[22:02:58] ‹Coffeeditto› I phrased that poorly
[22:03:26] ‹Coffeeditto› imagine you're a town, playing mafia
[22:03:34] ‹Coffeeditto› someone else pushes you hard
[22:03:49] ‹Coffeeditto› you don't have any role info for that person, you don't know their alignment
[22:03:53] ‹Coffeeditto› do you assume they're mafia?
[22:05:35] ‹Linkcat› Depends on their reasoning and the way they pushed it.
[22:07:20] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Coffeeditto› stay calm, see if they had a good reason to assume and dont make emotional decisions
[22:07:29] ‹Coffeeditto› agreed
[22:07:47] ‹Coffeeditto› someone voting on you does not make them mafia
[22:15:52] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› hope that helps. 3rd spoiler really isnt that short but still should read it
[23:17:44] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› time to destroy shockcannon using FACTS and LOGIC
[23:42:00] ‹Espithel› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› DESTROYED WITH FACTS AND LOGIC
[23:43:00] • Espithel coughs.
[23:43:05] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› Are you alive?
[23:43:19] ‹Espithel› There is something very mafia I wish to talk about.
[23:44:31] ‹Linkcat› I was literally about to post the log.
[23:44:36] ‹Linkcat› Why, Espi.
[23:46:09] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I don’t think anyone gets my post
[23:46:57] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Except maybe linkcat
[23:48:22] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› I guess it’s no surprise I’m being voted up right now then
[23:48:50] ‹Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc› Obvious satire isn’t obvious apparently
[23:58:20] ‹Espithel› ‹@Linkcat› Good news!
[23:58:22] ‹Espithel› He's dead!
[23:58:37] ‹Espithel› I guess I could discuss it with you instead but I like evans more than you!
[23:58:49] ‹Linkcat› </3
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 07:55:56 am
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 07:56:10 am
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 08:18:25 am
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Post by: Espithel on June 02, 2019, 08:49:39 am
-Shockcannon, Evans, and Walk are town.
-The mafia are happy with the current gamestate.
The first assumption:
While we should have lynched shock on day 1, it's too late to lynch him. We need to start lynching scum. We can discipline him for being the honourary fifth later. I think he is town, and don't want town lynched.
Walk has a level of conviction beyond what is healthy for mafia to go for. He is town.
Evans has repeatedly been under fire, and has repeatedly been saved. Of the three, he is the most likely to be scum.
The second assumption is created due to how the mafia have lynched: Inactive People. They have not attempted to deal with Shock in any capacity. In addition, attacking evans and one other person keeps happening. Repeatedly.
Because the mafia are happy with the current gamestate, let's try and sow some dissent, hm?
So, ladies and gentlemen! Espithel would like to present:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584485771575033886/unknown.png)
Take note, Walks. This is how you go to town on someone.
Take note, Walks. This is how you go to town on someone.
*Coughs.* Ahem.
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
I'm feeling a good 70% here.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584650125134266376/Hammer_Right.png)STEP ONE: THE HAMMERS(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584650113176043522/Hammer_Left.png)
Thanks to Kae, we have a handy dandy chart of how everyone voted. How did Mobian vote on day 1?
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584641181367926811/unknown.png)
This is what the cool kids call a "hammer." The hammer is the person who decides the vote on a day. If you look here, Evans has a clear majority on him. Mobian decides to make this majority larger.
The reason why hammering should be avoided at all costs is because it neuters discussion. I feel that, had this hammer not happened, we would have had much healthier options than just JCJ and Evans to pick from. The hammer failed, but this was at the very end of the phase.
And then you have today:
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Shock's been trying to stir up conflict and dissent. He's seeming more and more scummy.
Another day, another hammer. A lot of people have expressed concern that both these lynches are bad. Mobian, again, votes late and votes as the hammer, trying to stifle discussion (dissent.)
Do you remember how I believe that the mafia are happy with the situation right now? I feel this is an enforcement of that. They do not want a repeat of day 1 where someone random died.
On day 2, Mobian voted to lynch Ian. Keep this in mind later. It's not important here.
(https://pngimg.com/uploads/cooking_pot/cooking_pot_PNG14055.png)STEP TWO: THE HYPOCRISY (https://pngimg.com/uploads/kettle/kettle_PNG8702.png)
Let's have a deeper look at that first vote, hm? Why did he vote that way?
First off:
I really, really hate it when shock is the voice of reason, but he did have quite a few good points. Right now, I'm inclined to agree with him on keeping our numbers as high as possible. We don't have any solid intel on anybody yet, and I'd like to be sure when I sentence someone to death.
This is Mobian's first post for the day and of the game. I'm not a fan of filthy no-lynchers, but fair enough. You want to be sure, it's day one. That's an incorrect, but fair argument. I can respec-
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584658702582153270/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584659089972264961/3b38f7d9a2cc401a8262403c9177f49d.png)
Really?
What was the wonderous, high-intel post that made you take this decision that you'd be sure about?
Was it Linkcat's post? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289684/#msg1289684)
That's not high intel. That's a minor scumread at best. You cannot be sure that this will result in scumlynch. Not even Link was sure it'd result in a scumlynch.
By your own principles, you should've no-lynched. You didn't. Why?
That's beyond neglience. That's being spineless. How do I know this?
Iancu, please EBWOP to include my vote.
I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again. I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped. Please bear in mind this is only my second game of mafia, and I don't want my inexperience to come out as scum.
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Alright.
Bring yourself to day 2.
Mobian voted to lynch Ian on an OMGUS.
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
The more I think about my earlier theory, the more sense it makes. Also, ian seems to just rub me the wrong way.
Why?
If Mobian was town, this makes no sense beyond "being emotional." According to Mobian's own words, he got overly defensive at Ian voting on him earlier in day 2. Why?
Mobian was in no threat of being lynched that day. I even moved my vote on ian because of his constant vote-switching (have a spine in your convictions, ian. >:( )
If Mobian had properly written out his theory, I feel this would be acceptable. But, he didn't. He said "he rubs me the wrong way." This is useless, and violates his theory on no-lynching stated in step 1.
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If only one of these things were present, Mobian would be neutral to town. It's the combination of all three that looks very off.
Before we start voting on Mobian, please give him time to respond. His dissent is important.
Now, Evans, Shock. Special warning for you.
I am not making this post to defend your hides. I am doing this because I think Mobian is a better lynch.
If either of you vote on Mobian, I will vote to lynch you immediately. Don't.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 02, 2019, 08:55:52 am
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 08:56:29 am
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96, shockcannon
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 08:57:05 am
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 08:59:09 am
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
I found a train to catch.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 09:00:07 am
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Does anyone else find it hilarious that we waited so long for Espi to make his huge post and then immediately jumped on someone else and ignored him?
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 09:00:20 am
Post by: Mobian on June 02, 2019, 09:01:21 am
[2019-06-02 01:12:39] Espithel: ‹@ddevans96› How happy do you think the mafia are with the current state of the town/game?
[2019-06-02 01:12:41] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@ddevans96› What on earth happened to the any% city route
[2019-06-02 01:13:06] dawn_to_dusk: When did going up become the better strat for that room with the platform that moves up
[2019-06-02 01:13:30] Linkcat: PLEASE
[2019-06-02 01:13:47] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› IT'S OKAY
[2019-06-02 01:13:49] Espithel: JUST POST WHAT YOU HAVE
[2019-06-02 01:13:58] Espithel: AND LIKE, CROP WHAT ME AND EVAN SAY INTO A SINGLE POST
[2019-06-02 01:14:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Do you read these?
[2019-06-02 01:14:09] Linkcat: I ALREADY DID
[2019-06-02 01:14:14] Linkcat: YOU JUST WAIT FOR ME TO POST
[2019-06-02 01:14:16] Mobian: ???
[2019-06-02 01:14:39] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› IT'S NOT MY FAULT
[2019-06-02 01:15:00] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› you mentioned making a mafia room earlier. Is that still possible?
[2019-06-02 01:15:04] MasterWalks: (2d30) 18 + 30 = 48 ...!
[2019-06-02 01:15:29] Linkcat: If we did it would be after this game.
[2019-06-02 01:15:41] ddevans96: uhhhhh it's only better if you're really, really good
[2019-06-02 01:15:52] ddevans96: like, if you don't execute perfectly, it loses time
[2019-06-02 01:16:00] ddevans96: no one does it in runs, just ILs
[2019-06-02 01:16:25] ddevans96: also - this PB missed the reverse hyper in Crossing, lmao
[2019-06-02 01:16:45] ddevans96: embarrassing ngl
[2019-06-02 01:17:12] dawn_to_dusk: Oh rip
[2019-06-02 01:17:21] dawn_to_dusk: Does this mean that TAS is better to go over as well?
[2019-06-02 01:17:26] Espithel: f
[2019-06-02 01:17:27] Espithel: ignored
[2019-06-02 01:17:28] Espithel: 0/10
[2019-06-02 01:17:36] ddevans96: dunno what the current TAS does
[2019-06-02 01:17:43] dawn_to_dusk: Ah
[2019-06-02 01:17:47] ddevans96: shush, I've thought about mafia all week, let me breathe
[2019-06-02 01:17:56] dawn_to_dusk: What do you think about the ultra difficult levels?
[2019-06-02 01:18:01] Mobian: ‹@Espithel› Linkcat just likes me more
[2019-06-02 01:18:25] ddevans96: d-sides? have no interest in them, assuming I do move to PC in the future
[2019-06-02 01:18:31] Espithel: ‹@Mobian›f
[2019-06-02 01:18:35] ddevans96: very fun to watch, I don't think I'd enjoy playing them though
[2019-06-02 01:18:44] ddevans96: very excited for chapter 9, on the other hand
[2019-06-02 01:19:02] dawn_to_dusk: I'll try them for sure
[2019-06-02 01:19:46] ddevans96: [2019-06-02 01:12:39] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› How happy do you think the mafia are with the current state of the town/game? < extremely
[2019-06-02 01:19:57] Espithel: Good
[2019-06-02 01:20:00] Espithel: Time to make them upset
[2019-06-02 01:20:00] ddevans96: I've basically already implied that's my thoughts several times tho
[2019-06-02 01:20:05] Espithel: I'm not just being crazy
[2019-06-02 01:22:59] Mobian: And how are you going to do that, Espithel
[2019-06-02 01:23:11] Linkcat: That's a silly question, of course he's going to say yes. The only votes are on him and his biggest townread.
[2019-06-02 01:24:11] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
[2019-06-02 01:24:14] Espithel: I'll ask you instead >:(
[2019-06-02 01:24:20] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› And you for good measure
[2019-06-02 01:24:49] Linkcat: Well my answer is obvious too.
[2019-06-02 01:25:27] Mobian: I'd say the mafia is enjoying our chaotic state. We can't seem to get our shit together.
[2019-06-02 01:25:56] Linkcat: That's every mafia game.
[2019-06-02 01:27:19] Mobian: MW does concern me, but I feel our first priority is negating the "white noise"
[2019-06-02 01:29:10] Espithel: Hm.
[2019-06-02 01:29:15] Espithel: Here's my train of thought
[2019-06-02 01:29:43] Espithel: If the mafia are happy, that means we should hit something that's not been hit yet.
[2019-06-02 01:31:05] ddevans96: how about Link?
[2019-06-02 01:31:13] ddevans96: or kae
[2019-06-02 01:31:15] Linkcat: Mafia isn't that happy, dd has 3 votes on him.
[2019-06-02 01:31:46] Espithel: I honestly feel that Link is under the rader pretty heavily
[2019-06-02 01:31:54] Espithel: Would make a good day 4 lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:32:00] ddevans96: I think mafia is extremely happy about that
[2019-06-02 01:32:09] Espithel: Kae feels town to me, but we're using opposite day logic here!
[2019-06-02 01:32:15] Linkcat: Great, let's worry about that on day 4 then.
[2019-06-02 01:33:32] ddevans96: cool. who are we lynching today?
[2019-06-02 01:33:54] Espithel: First off, right
[2019-06-02 01:34:10] Espithel: Mobian's attempted to be the hammer in two different days.
[2019-06-02 01:34:15] Espithel: I really don't like that.
[2019-06-02 01:35:22] Espithel: SHIT he logged on again
[2019-06-02 01:35:24] Espithel: The meme's failed
[2019-06-02 01:35:26] Espithel: GOTTA POST FAST
[2019-06-02 01:35:47] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: I’d Lynch mobian tbh
[2019-06-02 01:36:15] Mobian: ‹@Espithel› what do you mean by hammer?
[2019-06-02 01:36:38] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› The "hammer" is the person who decides the lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:36:53] Mobian: I don't speak to guests. Log in if you have shit to say.
[2019-06-02 01:36:55] Espithel: You can be the hammer by putting your vote to make a lynch out of reach (like you have today with evans)
[2019-06-02 01:37:23] Espithel: Or by voting late, like I did on day one killing JCJ.
[2019-06-02 01:37:47] Espithel: With evans
[2019-06-02 01:37:48] DoubleCapitals: how does the hammer work on these forums?
[2019-06-02 01:37:49] Espithel: fucking kill me
[2019-06-02 01:37:51] Espithel: With shock*
[2019-06-02 01:37:59] DoubleCapitals: on MS, the hammer is the one vote that makes the majority
[2019-06-02 01:38:04] DoubleCapitals: then all votes are locked
[2019-06-02 01:38:07] ddevans96: we don't actually have a hammer in the traditional sense
[2019-06-02 01:38:21] Mobian: Evans is a townread, shock is scum. His chaos does literally nothing to help us
[2019-06-02 01:38:26] ddevans96: just a more general, this vote put the lynch out of reach (or attempted to)
[2019-06-02 01:39:15] Espithel: That's fine.
[2019-06-02 01:39:30] Espithel: Except, you also did this on day one.
[2019-06-02 01:40:34] Mobian: I also explained my D1 vote just after I made it. I blindly followed the majority.
[2019-06-02 01:43:26] Mobian: D2 I realized nobody has a clue. Day 3 I'm tired of shock's shit. No clue what D4 will hold, yet.
[2019-06-02 01:44:58] Espithel: Alright.
[2019-06-02 01:45:22] Espithel: Why did you follow me on lynching Ian? I lynched ian because I disliked how he was constantly jostling around votes on the second day. It felt beyond self-preservation.
[2019-06-02 01:45:28] Espithel: Somehow, that weak claim turned into the lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:46:29] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› your scum read on me is vote patterns right?
[2019-06-02 01:46:36] Mobian: Ian was ian. He took my aggresive self defense as a sign that I was dirty.
[2019-06-02 01:47:31] Mobian: There was no reasoning with him, and I suspected him of deflecting.
[2019-06-02 01:48:26] ddevans96: [20:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› ok. You want to know how mafia is playing? Literally look how espi is playing. but there is a problem. No one is playing like him. My guess is mafia is "splitting up" and taking on different strategies. One is probably quiet, one is super talkative (espi), one is playing strategically, and the last one is probably playing dumb
[2019-06-02 01:48:29] ddevans96: yes
[2019-06-02 01:49:00] Mobian: And MW.... You've been hyper aggressive towards Espi since the beginning, with little to go on.
[2019-06-02 01:49:21] MasterWalks: ahh okay
[2019-06-02 01:49:29] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› are you ready to stop tunneling espithel
[2019-06-02 01:49:33] shockcannon: and make something happen?
[2019-06-02 01:50:12] MasterWalks: like what
[2019-06-02 01:50:12] Mobian: And given the fact that you're usually super chill and even-tempered, that aggression has me on edge.
[2019-06-02 01:50:31] shockcannon: if espithel is mafia
[2019-06-02 01:50:35] shockcannon: why is he doing what he's doing now
[2019-06-02 01:50:50] shockcannon: if he doesn't say any of this and let things go
[2019-06-02 01:50:54] shockcannon: either ddevans or I die
[2019-06-02 01:51:06] Mobian: To understand the town's headspace
[2019-06-02 01:51:16] shockcannon: assuming we're both town he has no reason to stir the pot
[2019-06-02 01:51:24] shockcannon: now lets assume one or both of ddevans and I are mafia
[2019-06-02 01:51:35] Espithel: However, I know that I have no reason to stir the pot
[2019-06-02 01:51:39] Espithel: So stirring the pot makes me look town.
[2019-06-02 01:51:41] Espithel: :^)
[2019-06-02 01:51:48] shockcannon: uh
[2019-06-02 01:51:50] shockcannon: ok
[2019-06-02 01:51:59] shockcannon: MW you think both ddevans and I are town
[2019-06-02 01:52:05] Espithel: /me coughs.
[2019-06-02 01:52:07] shockcannon: so the other alternative doesn't add up
[2019-06-02 01:52:14] Espithel: No, I think both shock and evans are town.
[2019-06-02 01:52:16] Linkcat: I wouldn't try to understand Espi, you'll just make your head hurt.
[2019-06-02 01:52:17] shockcannon: oh wait jk
[2019-06-02 01:52:19] shockcannon: you're voting on ddevans
[2019-06-02 01:52:20] Espithel: Shock should have been lynched on day 1
[2019-06-02 01:52:23] Espithel: But it's too late on that.
[2019-06-02 01:52:36] Linkcat: It's why I have such a problem reading him.
[2019-06-02 01:52:38] MasterWalks: whats he doing? nothing. hes talking but not giving any suggestions, just going with everyone elses. Its exactly what mobian did to me. Hes not really game planning, hes just following. Espi is last game mobian but public and furry.
[2019-06-02 01:52:41] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› if you're going on mobian i'm down
[2019-06-02 01:52:58] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› mobian is still doing that this game
[2019-06-02 01:53:01] shockcannon: lets make the swap now
[2019-06-02 01:53:06] Espithel: ‹@MasterWalks› "He's talking, but he isn't saying anything!"
[2019-06-02 01:53:09] Espithel: That's an argument right there!
[2019-06-02 01:53:11] MasterWalks: mobian is not
[2019-06-02 01:53:17] shockcannon: he literally is
[2019-06-02 01:53:26] Espithel: :electrum Here
[2019-06-02 01:53:27] shockcannon: unless you're both mafia
[2019-06-02 01:53:30] shockcannon: that's an option
[2019-06-02 01:53:31] MasterWalks: no, hes getting his own scum reads
[2019-06-02 01:53:37] MasterWalks: im not saying their good
[2019-06-02 01:53:39] Espithel: Have a gold star for coming up with a good idea
[2019-06-02 01:53:39] shockcannon: alright i'm making the swap
[2019-06-02 01:53:43] MasterWalks: but he has his own.
[2019-06-02 01:53:47] shockcannon: espithel
[2019-06-02 01:53:50] shockcannon: join
[2019-06-02 01:53:54] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› join
[2019-06-02 01:53:59] Espithel: Could you like not
[2019-06-02 01:54:04] shockcannon: ddevans also
[2019-06-02 01:54:13] Espithel: I was going to tell both evans and shock to not vote on mobian
[2019-06-02 01:54:27] Espithel: Because I know one of you fucks is going to try and make it look like I'm giving some scum "an out"
[2019-06-02 01:54:41] shockcannon: nah i trust you
[2019-06-02 01:54:45] shockcannon: and you've convinced me
[2019-06-02 01:54:53] Linkcat: Then what are you even doing?
[2019-06-02 01:54:54] Espithel: You won't
[2019-06-02 01:54:57] Espithel: Evans won't
[2019-06-02 01:54:58] ddevans96: I mean...I'd rather lynch Mobian than shock or myself
[2019-06-02 01:55:02] ddevans96: why him in particular, exactly?
[2019-06-02 01:55:04] Espithel: Someone else will, and it's a fucking valid argument
[2019-06-02 01:55:10] Mobian: Chaos
[2019-06-02 01:55:18] ddevans96: (I read above, that's not what I'm asking)
[2019-06-02 01:55:23] Espithel: ‹@ddevans96› A count of hypocrisy and 2 counts of hammering.
[2019-06-02 01:55:41] Linkcat: You know what, nevermind, I'm just going to go back to watching Sailor Moon.
[2019-06-02 01:55:41] Espithel: Wait for the post, yeah?
[2019-06-02 01:55:46] Mobian: Hypocrisy??
[2019-06-02 01:55:48] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› What series are you on owo
[2019-06-02 01:56:01] Linkcat: The OG
[2019-06-02 01:56:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Can you crack the code?
[2019-06-02 01:56:46] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96› alright ddevans
[2019-06-02 01:56:48] shockcannon: i'm off you again
[2019-06-02 01:56:50] shockcannon: believe it or not
[2019-06-02 01:56:54] ddevans96: cool
[2019-06-02 01:56:59] shockcannon: lets go
[2019-06-02 01:57:08] shockcannon: because you know as well as I do that lynching me is not the move
[2019-06-02 01:57:13] shockcannon: no matter how much I"m hated
[2019-06-02 01:57:13] ddevans96: dunno why you were on me in the first place, given that you said 'I'm treating dd like confirmed town for the rest of the game'
[2019-06-02 01:57:22] ddevans96: my vote isn't on you
[2019-06-02 01:57:29] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96› i panicked
[2019-06-02 01:57:33] ddevans96: nor has it been on you since like d1
[2019-06-02 01:57:36] shockcannon: i had 5 votes
[2019-06-02 01:57:40] ddevans96: alright, fair
[2019-06-02 01:57:41] shockcannon: and you were the only option really
[2019-06-02 01:57:58] shockcannon: I'm in on mobian
[2019-06-02 01:58:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. It's the last post. Ever.
[2019-06-02 01:58:03] shockcannon: if you and espithel join that's 3
[2019-06-02 01:58:15] shockcannon: I think MasterWalks MIGHT come around
[2019-06-02 01:58:18] shockcannon: maybe linkcat also
[2019-06-02 01:58:24] shockcannon: espithel's convinced me
[2019-06-02 01:58:29] ddevans96: I'll think about it after 12 lives deckbuilding
[2019-06-02 01:59:11] MasterWalks: whats the argument against mobian? I havent been paying attention the last couple hours
[2019-06-02 01:59:18] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› you're tunneling espithel as mafia in the same way you tunneled mobian as town the last game
[2019-06-02 01:59:37] MasterWalks: hmmm
[2019-06-02 01:59:42] MasterWalks: i can see that
[2019-06-02 01:59:48] shockcannon: don't let mobian get you twice
[2019-06-02 01:59:55] Mobian: I voted late, ergo I'm guilty
[2019-06-02 02:00:32] Espithel: Again, wait for the post, yeah?
[2019-06-02 02:00:51] shockcannon: i play the game differently, ergo I"m guilty
[2019-06-02 02:01:08] MasterWalks: im not going to lynch mobian. this is one of first times ive actually talked to him this game and ive said probably a total of 8 words. idk if hes town or mafia but i have no reason to believe either
[2019-06-02 02:01:22] Mobian: But hey, if you'd rather run with a known liar, have fun. I'll be laughing when it bites you in the ass
[2019-06-02 02:01:32] shockcannon: honestly this sounds like MW and mobian are both mafia right now
[2019-06-02 02:01:56] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› Mobian said these same words about me last game
[2019-06-02 02:02:02] shockcannon: guess who ended up mafia and who didn't
[2019-06-02 02:02:30] MasterWalks: uhh, your the exact same this game as last game
[2019-06-02 02:02:38] Mobian: The more aggressive you get, shock, the worse you look
[2019-06-02 02:03:07] Linkcat: Yes.
[2019-06-02 02:03:11] Linkcat: Yes, he is.
[2019-06-02 02:03:11] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› i'm serious
[2019-06-02 02:03:17] shockcannon: do not get played twice in a row
[2019-06-02 02:03:17] Linkcat: And he was town last game.
[2019-06-02 02:03:18] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› I mean, I was going to say "Yeah, by the way shock/evans. I'm not defending your asses. If either of you switch your vote to Mobian, I'm lynching you"
[2019-06-02 02:03:19] ddevans96: [2019-06-02 01:59:18] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you're tunneling espithel as mafia in the same way you tunneled mobian as town the last game < how is this a read on Mobian this game?
[2019-06-02 02:03:20] MasterWalks: the only thing you did last game was role claim people. this game your just making people role claim
[2019-06-02 02:03:32] Espithel: But WEW
[2019-06-02 02:03:34] Espithel: Shock is fast
[2019-06-02 02:03:53] ddevans96: that literally only says anything about MW
[2019-06-02 02:03:56] ddevans96: no?
[2019-06-02 02:04:17] shockcannon: yes
[2019-06-02 02:04:23] shockcannon: but MW won't trust anything espithel says
[2019-06-02 02:04:27] shockcannon: because he thinks espithel is mafia
[2019-06-02 02:04:52] MasterWalks: yep
[2019-06-02 02:06:40] shockcannon: on the off chance I'm talking to 4 mafia right now
[2019-06-02 02:06:44] shockcannon: that would be hilarious
[2019-06-02 02:06:57] shockcannon: if you 4 are maf, congrats
[2019-06-02 02:07:01] ddevans96: hm
[2019-06-02 02:07:35] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› lets start here
[2019-06-02 02:07:36] Espithel: It would be funny
[2019-06-02 02:07:41] shockcannon: do any of you think i'm mafia?
[2019-06-02 02:07:54] Linkcat: Close, it's just me, dd, and Espi.
[2019-06-02 02:07:55] MasterWalks: no i think your town
[2019-06-02 02:08:14] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› do you think i'm town?
[2019-06-02 02:08:24] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon› Unfortunately, yes.
[2019-06-02 02:08:29] Espithel: You should've been lynched day 1.
[2019-06-02 02:08:30] shockcannon: okay
[2019-06-02 02:08:33] MasterWalks: if dd and linkcat are mafia...
[2019-06-02 02:08:35] Espithel: You weren't. We have to live with that.
[2019-06-02 02:08:41] shockcannon: so the 4 of you agree though that at this point, lynching me is suboptimal
[2019-06-02 02:09:11] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› lynching you cuts out static and misinformation
[2019-06-02 02:09:15] Linkcat: Right, so let's lynch dd instead.
[2019-06-02 02:09:22] shockcannon: if the 5 of us can actually use the evidence we have and agree on someone that's not me, we can actually make a move
[2019-06-02 02:09:31] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› you're not going to get a lynch on dd
[2019-06-02 02:09:40] shockcannon: because you need dd to overcome the votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:09:43] MasterWalks: lets lynch dd shock
[2019-06-02 02:09:47] Mobian: I will not trust someone who has lied multiple times
[2019-06-02 02:09:49] shockcannon: you 4 are the only ones who actually believe i'm town
[2019-06-02 02:09:53] MasterWalks: itll be fun
[2019-06-02 02:10:13] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› you two need dd to beat out the votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:10:19] shockcannon: so pick someone else you think is mafia that isn't dd
[2019-06-02 02:10:24] shockcannon: and force dd to vote with you guys
[2019-06-02 02:10:30] shockcannon: and if he doesnt then you know he's mafia
[2019-06-02 02:10:51] shockcannon: we got like 10 hours for the 5 of us to make amove
[2019-06-02 02:10:53] MasterWalks: i wont be able to force dd to vote on himself
[2019-06-02 02:11:12] Mobian: Or, he simply doesn't agree with your choice.
[2019-06-02 02:11:19] Linkcat: Europe will wake up soon.
[2019-06-02 02:11:22] shockcannon: i dont care who it is
[2019-06-02 02:11:26] shockcannon: we dont need to vote on mobian
[2019-06-02 02:11:35] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› if you keep tunneling you're going to lose
[2019-06-02 02:11:49] shockcannon: and the more you keep tunneling the more I think you're mafia
[2019-06-02 02:12:15] MasterWalks: ive been accused of tunneling like 3 people. how is it tunneling at that point
[2019-06-02 02:12:47] shockcannon: your opinions on those people aren't flexible
[2019-06-02 02:12:51] ddevans96: lynching dd is also not ideal
[2019-06-02 02:12:59] shockcannon: and you wont look at anyone besides dd and espithel
[2019-06-02 02:13:12] ddevans96: we could just lynch Espi
[2019-06-02 02:13:18] MasterWalks: you havent given me anything that would convince me otherwise
[2019-06-02 02:13:21] ddevans96: finish what MW started on d1
[2019-06-02 02:13:21] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› also remember when you killed off JCJ day 1 and saved dd?
[2019-06-02 02:13:23] shockcannon: ironic
[2019-06-02 02:13:39] Mobian: ‹@ddevans96› I agree. I think you're solid town.
[2019-06-02 02:13:56] MasterWalks: we were vote hopping. i wanted to vote hop too.
[2019-06-02 02:14:33] Espithel: ‹@ddevans96› At your own peril. :^)
[2019-06-02 02:14:33] shockcannon: I'm quite confident that espithel, MW, linkcat, and ddevans are all town
[2019-06-02 02:14:39] shockcannon: unfortunately none of you trust each other
[2019-06-02 02:14:55] shockcannon: and because of that, you 4 will all lose the one person you all agree on as town
[2019-06-02 02:15:16] shockcannon: and agreeing on me as town isn't really that scummy because the majority thinks i'm mafia
[2019-06-02 02:15:25] shockcannon: so it'd actually be safer and easier to go with the vast majority
[2019-06-02 02:15:25] Linkcat: Hey, I trust MW.
[2019-06-02 02:16:18] shockcannon: alright i'm going to bed really soon and I"m not going to be free again before the deadline
[2019-06-02 02:16:33] shockcannon: so if you 4 want someone that's not me to die today, we need to make a move now
[2019-06-02 02:16:53] shockcannon: but if you 4 can't trust each other, i'm going to go back to voting myself so we don't waste time
[2019-06-02 02:17:00] Linkcat: Put your vote on dd and we'll make it work.
[2019-06-02 02:17:07] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2019-06-02 02:17:08] shockcannon: and if i vote myself, i'm definitely going to die. there's no reversing at that point
[2019-06-02 02:17:10] ddevans96: yeah, imma say nah
[2019-06-02 02:17:16] MasterWalks: I was against lynching jcj
[2019-06-02 02:17:28] ddevans96: Link, who would you like to lynch, other than me?
[2019-06-02 02:17:28] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› and dd
[2019-06-02 02:17:31] shockcannon: but now you think dd is maf
[2019-06-02 02:17:40] ddevans96: since you're the one pushing hardest against me
[2019-06-02 02:17:42] MasterWalks: i voted to vote hop. literally. scummy or not it was to extend timer
[2019-06-02 02:17:42] Linkcat: Actually vote on anybody but yourself.
[2019-06-02 02:18:31] shockcannon: alright
[2019-06-02 02:18:34] shockcannon: you kids have 30 minutes
[2019-06-02 02:18:37] shockcannon: or my vote stays
[2019-06-02 02:18:43] shockcannon: and the other 5 on me are definitely not moving
[2019-06-02 02:18:47] shockcannon: so goodluck overcoming 6 votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:19:31] Mobian: Talking down to someone may not be the best way to someone to do what you want...
[2019-06-02 02:19:41] Espithel: This is true
[2019-06-02 02:19:51] Mobian: *to get someone
[2019-06-02 02:19:53] Espithel: I was looking forward to this mobian post and then shock voted and I was like "ewwwwwwwwwww"
[2019-06-02 02:20:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[2019-06-02 02:20:19] shockcannon: i'm desperate like ddevans now
[2019-06-02 02:20:30] MasterWalks: give us another target and a reason to target that person. dd sounds like the best option since i think your town and idk about dd
[2019-06-02 02:20:52] ddevans96: implying I've been desperate at any point this game
[2019-06-02 02:21:10] ddevans96: ‹@Mobian› who do you want to lynch?
[2019-06-02 02:21:18] ddevans96: besides shock
[2019-06-02 02:22:18] Mobian: Other than shock, I do sus MW and Espi for playing 'dodge the bus'
[2019-06-02 02:22:51] Linkcat: If we lynch someone that's not dd, it has to be somebody who has a good chance of being mafia whether or not dd is mafia, so Mobian I guess.
[2019-06-02 02:23:06] Linkcat: Or we could pussy out and lynch math/moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:21] ddevans96: I'm down for a math lynch tbh
[2019-06-02 02:23:25] Linkcat: But I expect Day 4 would just be Day 3 part 2.
[2019-06-02 02:23:42] Mobian: Math does give weird vibes
[2019-06-02 02:23:53] ddevans96: day 4 would just be day 1 part 4
[2019-06-02 02:23:54] ddevans96: tbh
[2019-06-02 02:23:55] MasterWalks: if mafia keeps it up, they will lynch one of those 2
[2019-06-02 02:24:07] Linkcat: Okay, huge red flag there.
[2019-06-02 02:24:10] Espithel: I think we should lynch Submachine
[2019-06-02 02:24:14] Linkcat: Definitely lynch moe over math.
[2019-06-02 02:24:28] Mobian: Unless they are maf
[2019-06-02 02:24:54] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› explain your red flag?
[2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi.
[2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[2019-06-02 02:26:18] shockcannon: i'm in for moe
[2019-06-02 02:26:33] shockcannon: I'm ultimately going to let you 4 decide, because you 4 need to find a way to agree
[2019-06-02 02:26:42] shockcannon: but if you want my opinion, its moe, mobian, or ginyu
[2019-06-02 02:26:49] Linkcat: So you two are down for moe, right?
[2019-06-02 02:26:57] ddevans96: I mean, my reads are public and mostly have not changed, you can go look at them
[2019-06-02 02:26:58] shockcannon: those are decents bets that aren't among us 5 and that I think we could all potentially agree on
[2019-06-02 02:27:01] MasterWalks: is moe euro?
[2019-06-02 02:27:04] ddevans96: yeah, moe's fine too, it's not me so whatever
[2019-06-02 02:27:16] ddevans96: yeah
[2019-06-02 02:27:19] shockcannon: i blocked moe n0
[2019-06-02 02:27:29] MasterWalks: Whoever we lynch needs to be able to defend. We cant have another afk lynch
[2019-06-02 02:27:30] shockcannon: he only mentioned he was blocked after I revealed that in my info dump
[2019-06-02 02:27:40] MasterWalks: if hes euro he will be on soon then
[2019-06-02 02:27:51] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› if he's US he would still ahve time to be on
[2019-06-02 02:27:52] ddevans96: moe was on at deadline last time, it'll be fine
[2019-06-02 02:28:00] shockcannon: its 2pm ET
[2019-06-02 02:28:06] shockcannon: 11am PT
[2019-06-02 02:28:07] MasterWalks: its 1:28 am for me
[2019-06-02 02:28:14] MasterWalks: PST
[2019-06-02 02:28:20] shockcannon: yeah
[2019-06-02 02:28:25] shockcannon: but deadline isn't untill 11am pst
[2019-06-02 02:28:39] MasterWalks: i aint gonna be up that early most likely
[2019-06-02 02:28:44] MasterWalks: i dont work tomorrow
[2019-06-02 02:28:46] Mobian: 2:28 AM my time. Deadlines at noon
[2019-06-02 02:28:48] shockcannon: he has time to defend unless he's like in asia
[2019-06-02 02:29:08] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› are you in moe?
[2019-06-02 02:29:16] shockcannon: if yes then the last person we need is espithel
[2019-06-02 02:29:33] shockcannon: who I feel like is just going to not respond
[2019-06-02 02:29:39] MasterWalks: am i in moe? wtf does that mean?
[2019-06-02 02:29:48] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon› I'm still working
[2019-06-02 02:29:53] ddevans96: are you in [to lynch] moe
[2019-06-02 02:30:01] Espithel: Gimmie a bit
[2019-06-02 02:30:02] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› it means have you used him to keep warm like han does with that beast in episode 5
[2019-06-02 02:30:06] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› they want you to support a moe lynch
[2019-06-02 02:30:15] ddevans96: deadline is noon for me, I might not be able to be on at deadline rn
[2019-06-02 02:30:16] Linkcat: ‹@Mobian› You too.
[2019-06-02 02:30:22] ddevans96: have to do a bunch of shit before my 12 Lives match at 1
[2019-06-02 02:30:25] MasterWalks: yes and yes
[2019-06-02 02:30:26] Linkcat: Same
[2019-06-02 02:30:43] shockcannon: honestly if mobian switches
[2019-06-02 02:30:45] shockcannon: big red flag
[2019-06-02 02:31:17] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› I don't have a read on moe. I'm staying on shock because I dislike liars.
[2019-06-02 02:31:18] shockcannon: eh whatever, he already played his hand with the math comment
[2019-06-02 02:31:56] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› how does it feel to get played last game by someone who dislikes liars?
[2019-06-02 02:32:00] Linkcat: Okay, so we lynch Mobian then?
[2019-06-02 02:32:06] MasterWalks: i dont have a read on moe but i think shock is town and im not going to waste time on dd if we aint lynching him
[2019-06-02 02:32:13] Linkcat: Any objections?
[2019-06-02 02:32:20] Linkcat: Other than Mobian, of course.
[2019-06-02 02:32:24] shockcannon: i'm fine with mobian or moe
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] Linkcat: ‹@Espithel›
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] shockcannon: but MW doesn't seem down with mobian lynch
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] MasterWalks: what? mobian or moe?
[2019-06-02 02:32:48] shockcannon: I think the 4 of us are down for both, with a stronger feel on mobian
[2019-06-02 02:32:53] shockcannon: but we need your vote
[2019-06-02 02:32:56] MasterWalks: eh, ill lynch mobian. I dont really have a read on him either
[2019-06-02 02:32:57] shockcannon: so if you're really against mobian we'll go moe
[2019-06-02 02:33:01] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› What I would like to ask
[2019-06-02 02:33:04] Espithel: Is that you wait for the post
[2019-06-02 02:33:11] Espithel: Give Mobian a chance to respond to it.
[2019-06-02 02:33:16] Linkcat: You're still making a post?
[2019-06-02 02:33:18] Linkcat: Jesus.
[2019-06-02 02:33:20] Espithel: YES
[2019-06-02 02:33:20] MasterWalks: moe is 1 mobina is 2
[2019-06-02 02:33:24] MasterWalks: (1d2) 2 = 2 ...!+
[2019-06-02 02:33:29] Espithel: YOU THINK MW IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN TUNNEL?
[2019-06-02 02:33:32] Espithel: WH000000000000 BOI
[2019-06-02 02:33:33] Linkcat: Mobina
[2019-06-02 02:33:35] Linkcat: lel
[2019-06-02 02:33:39] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› you said 5 hours 10 hours ago
[2019-06-02 02:33:46] Linkcat: Who the hell are you tunneling on?
[2019-06-02 02:33:49] ddevans96: ‹@Espithel› when is your post going to be done? bc I needed to be asleep like half an hour ago
[2019-06-02 02:34:03] shockcannon: WAIT A SECOND
[2019-06-02 02:34:08] MasterWalks: lets lynch mobian. dice knows all
[2019-06-02 02:34:15] shockcannon: link and MW with the sneaky last sedcond switch to mobian
[2019-06-02 02:34:28] shockcannon: link, MW, moehrpi all mafia!!!!
[2019-06-02 02:34:30] shockcannon: I found them!
[2019-06-02 02:34:30] Linkcat: Stfu shock
[2019-06-02 02:34:35] MasterWalks: i rolled
[2019-06-02 02:34:38] MasterWalks: what
[2019-06-02 02:34:40] ddevans96: mostly just Link tbh
[2019-06-02 02:34:45] Linkcat: We're lynching Mobian.
[2019-06-02 02:34:45] MasterWalks: i rolled to pick who to lynch
[2019-06-02 02:35:05] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› And for the record, I never lied to MW.
[2019-06-02 02:35:30] Linkcat: This is all to save you, you know.
[2019-06-02 02:35:49] shockcannon: yeah I know
[2019-06-02 02:35:57] shockcannon: mafia also saved ddevans only to lynch ian
[2019-06-02 02:36:03] ddevans96: ^
[2019-06-02 02:36:08] shockcannon: so doesn't mean much
[2019-06-02 02:36:28] shockcannon: mafia would probably any other town die than me
[2019-06-02 02:37:20] MasterWalks: i dont really have a super strong read on much. I think kae, insig, me, and maybe link is town. idc who is lynched at this point. as long as its not me.
[2019-06-02 02:37:53] MasterWalks: and shock. shock is prob town
[2019-06-02 02:38:04] Linkcat: What happened to Espi?
[2019-06-02 02:38:14] MasterWalks: espi is mafia
[2019-06-02 02:38:19] MasterWalks: those are my town reads
[2019-06-02 02:38:20] Mobian: Don't bother with your post, Espi. Just follow them. I'm done trying to prove myself.
[2019-06-02 02:38:46] ddevans96: so we're lynching moerhpi
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] shockcannon: i'm fine waiting with espi post and potentially switching to moe
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] ddevans96: got it
[2019-06-02 02:38:59] shockcannon: but this is kinda of time sensitive
[2019-06-02 02:39:04] MasterWalks: i rolled 2 for mobian
[2019-06-02 02:39:05] Mobian: No, you're lynching me
[2019-06-02 02:39:06] shockcannon: idk if all5 of us will be at deadline
[2019-06-02 02:39:11] shockcannon: so it needs to happen now
[2019-06-02 02:39:30] Linkcat: When is deadline?
[2019-06-02 02:39:39] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› you haven't done anything to prove yourself
[2019-06-02 02:39:45] Mobian: Just do it. I don't really care anymore. 7.5 h
[2019-06-02 02:39:48] shockcannon: you just said you voted late and followed the train
[2019-06-02 02:39:56] Linkcat: Thanks.
[2019-06-02 02:40:08] shockcannon: and that you defended against aggressive ian
[2019-06-02 02:40:24] shockcannon: that doesn't necessarily hurt your case, but it doesnt strengthen it
[2019-06-02 02:40:37] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› And all you've done is lie, and people love you for it. There's no winning for me.
[2019-06-02 02:40:51] Mobian: Ergo, no fucks given.
[2019-06-02 02:40:54] shockcannon: what i've done is talked a lot
[2019-06-02 02:40:58] ddevans96: not really
[2019-06-02 02:41:03] shockcannon: i've talked enough that these 4 trust me as town
[2019-06-02 02:41:14] Mobian: Good night.
[2019-06-02 02:41:14] ddevans96: I don't think any of us want to be in a position where we trust shock
[2019-06-02 02:41:17] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› why don't you ask one of these 4 why they think i'm town
[2019-06-02 02:41:18] ddevans96: but that's kinda where this game is at
[2019-06-02 02:43:03] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› nobody loves me for how I play. I can assure you that.
[2019-06-02 02:43:04] Mobian: It doesn't matter. You choose to trust a liar. With a mindset like that, I am literally unable to change your mind, because I will not give up my moral stance.
[2019-06-02 02:43:28] kaempfer13: ‹@Linkcat› can you explain to me what makes shocks town post so towny? To me it seems like hes been fumbling around with stories and explanations until sth made sense at last
[2019-06-02 02:43:28] ddevans96: also - Link is the only one who wants to lynch you
[2019-06-02 02:43:32] MasterWalks: Nobody even voted yet
[2019-06-02 02:43:34] shockcannon: Also last game you got mad at me for being chaotic when you were mafia?
[2019-06-02 02:43:53] ddevans96: at least, that's actively voicing it
[2019-06-02 02:43:58] kaempfer13: Ofc i still feel neutral regarding his alignment, just want to know the tells
[2019-06-02 02:44:16] Linkcat: I'm only doing that because most people said they were fine with it.
[2019-06-02 02:44:23] Linkcat: I don't think we have the votes to lynch dd.
[2019-06-02 02:44:30] Linkcat: Maybe if kaempfer joins me.
[2019-06-02 02:45:21] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› You keep bringing up last game. It has literally no bearing on this one. All of you have said as much to my earlier defense. You can't have it both ways.
[2019-06-02 02:45:30] ddevans96: are we picking someone or not?
[2019-06-02 02:45:43] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› that's fair
[2019-06-02 02:45:47] Linkcat: ‹@kaempfer13› The tell in that post is that you can feel the struggle he has as town trying to help as much as he can while everyone hates on him for it.
[2019-06-02 02:45:58] MasterWalks: if shock mobian and kaemp will vote on dd we might have it
[2019-06-02 02:46:00] shockcannon: but you do realize this game literally encourages people to lie and or hide the truth
[2019-06-02 02:46:35] Linkcat: You probably can't feel it in your first game, but it's just one of those posts that can only come from a town.
[2019-06-02 02:46:39] Linkcat: It's a soul read.
[2019-06-02 02:46:49] Linkcat: Mobian won't vote dd though.
[2019-06-02 02:47:00] Linkcat: feud will vote dd over shock sincehe thinks shock is town.
[2019-06-02 02:47:01] shockcannon: are we going on moe?
[2019-06-02 02:47:18] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› I think DD is town. Until that changes, I won't vote him
[2019-06-02 02:47:39] shockcannon: ‹@kaempfer13› will you join a moe or mobian vote?
[2019-06-02 02:47:40] MasterWalks: k fine so no mobian. Shock, less go dd
[2019-06-02 02:47:53] shockcannon: because espithel is at work right now, and i'm not sure we can rely on him right now
[2019-06-02 02:48:03] shockcannon: i already told you dd can't work
[2019-06-02 02:48:06] shockcannon: because we need his vote
[2019-06-02 02:48:10] kaempfer13: mobian is my primary town read
[2019-06-02 02:48:17] Linkcat: dd will go on shock
[2019-06-02 02:48:26] kaempfer13: moe is fine I guess
[2019-06-02 02:48:40] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› dd hasnt opened the game in like 5 years but you can show him hes nub by lynching him
[2019-06-02 02:48:46] Linkcat: We'd need Calin or someone to switch his vote, and Insig's vote.
[2019-06-02 02:48:46] shockcannon: can I start the moe voting then?
[2019-06-02 02:48:51] kaempfer13: I hope I can be around at deadline
[2019-06-02 02:48:59] Linkcat: Espi too.
[2019-06-02 02:49:01] shockcannon: we have 5 right now for moe
[2019-06-02 02:49:07] shockcannon: espithel might also join moe
[2019-06-02 02:49:08] ddevans96: dd had the game open five minutes ago
[2019-06-02 02:49:13] shockcannon: insig may join moe also
[2019-06-02 02:49:37] MasterWalks: oh yea youve been working on ups lately. well PvP anyways.
[2019-06-02 02:49:51] ddevans96: I'm literally in 12 Lives, my dude
[2019-06-02 02:50:01] kaempfer13: also I encountered sth that makes me believe Linkcat is town, but its both flimsy and actually revealing it would probably be bad for town
[2019-06-02 02:50:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. FIRST!
[2019-06-02 02:50:07] Espithel: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2019-06-02 02:50:13] kaempfer13: so not sureif it even helps mentioning
[2019-06-02 02:52:21] ddevans96: 2 votes less than 12 hours into the phase aint shit
[2019-06-02 02:52:58] Linkcat: Hey dd, move your vote to Mobian. :^)
[2019-06-02 02:53:12] MasterWalks: one of the 3 people espi just named are mafia. i bet a million nymphs
[2019-06-02 02:53:21] ddevans96: imma again say nah
[2019-06-02 02:53:51] Espithel: ‹@MasterWalks› Don't out yourself like that
[2019-06-02 02:54:25] Linkcat: So it's a go on moehrpi?
[2019-06-02 02:54:28] shockcannon: well i guess its not possible for espithel and I to vote on the same person
[2019-06-02 02:54:30] Linkcat: Did anyone object?
[2019-06-02 02:54:32] shockcannon: its a go on moehrpi then
[2019-06-02 02:54:39] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› start it
[2019-06-02 02:54:40] Linkcat: dd and kaempfer don't want to go for Mobian.
[2019-06-02 02:54:43] shockcannon: actually i'll start it
[2019-06-02 02:54:46] shockcannon: looks better that way
[2019-06-02 02:55:03] ddevans96: [doubt]
[2019-06-02 02:55:15] Linkcat: Lmao
[2019-06-02 02:55:23] Espithel: Also someone post chatlog
[2019-06-02 02:55:29] Linkcat: Yeah it's probably better if I start it.
[2019-06-02 02:55:30] Espithel: I need to get a drink and remove all the sweat from my body
[2019-06-02 02:55:46] Linkcat: Actually, I don't want to start in.
[2019-06-02 02:55:48] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› fine you start
[2019-06-02 02:55:52] shockcannon: fine
[2019-06-02 02:55:53] shockcannon: then i start
[2019-06-02 02:55:53] Linkcat: You guys are forcing me to switch.
[2019-06-02 02:55:57] ddevans96: yeet
[2019-06-02 02:55:58] Mobian: Doing it as my defense. I have nothing more to offer.
[2019-06-02 02:56:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. CAUTION: Contents may be hot.
[2019-06-02 02:56:35] shockcannon: i screwed up
[2019-06-02 02:56:43] shockcannon: linkcat fix the vote count on your post
[2019-06-02 02:56:44] ddevans96: CHANGE THE NUMBERS FOOL
[2019-06-02 02:58:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Have it your way.
[2019-06-02 02:58:07] Linkcat: This feels like the conversation we had Day 1 but we actually decided on someone.
[2019-06-02 02:58:44] shockcannon: we still need MW and kaempf
[2019-06-02 02:58:54] ddevans96: alright, I'm gonna try to sleep, I have a ton to do tomorrow
[2019-06-02 02:58:55] ddevans96: gn :)
[2019-06-02 01:12:41] dawn_to_dusk: ‹@ddevans96› What on earth happened to the any% city route
[2019-06-02 01:13:06] dawn_to_dusk: When did going up become the better strat for that room with the platform that moves up
[2019-06-02 01:13:30] Linkcat: PLEASE
[2019-06-02 01:13:47] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› IT'S OKAY
[2019-06-02 01:13:49] Espithel: JUST POST WHAT YOU HAVE
[2019-06-02 01:13:58] Espithel: AND LIKE, CROP WHAT ME AND EVAN SAY INTO A SINGLE POST
[2019-06-02 01:14:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Do you read these?
[2019-06-02 01:14:09] Linkcat: I ALREADY DID
[2019-06-02 01:14:14] Linkcat: YOU JUST WAIT FOR ME TO POST
[2019-06-02 01:14:16] Mobian: ???
[2019-06-02 01:14:39] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› IT'S NOT MY FAULT
[2019-06-02 01:15:00] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› you mentioned making a mafia room earlier. Is that still possible?
[2019-06-02 01:15:04] MasterWalks: (2d30) 18 + 30 = 48 ...!
[2019-06-02 01:15:29] Linkcat: If we did it would be after this game.
[2019-06-02 01:15:41] ddevans96: uhhhhh it's only better if you're really, really good
[2019-06-02 01:15:52] ddevans96: like, if you don't execute perfectly, it loses time
[2019-06-02 01:16:00] ddevans96: no one does it in runs, just ILs
[2019-06-02 01:16:25] ddevans96: also - this PB missed the reverse hyper in Crossing, lmao
[2019-06-02 01:16:45] ddevans96: embarrassing ngl
[2019-06-02 01:17:12] dawn_to_dusk: Oh rip
[2019-06-02 01:17:21] dawn_to_dusk: Does this mean that TAS is better to go over as well?
[2019-06-02 01:17:26] Espithel: f
[2019-06-02 01:17:27] Espithel: ignored
[2019-06-02 01:17:28] Espithel: 0/10
[2019-06-02 01:17:36] ddevans96: dunno what the current TAS does
[2019-06-02 01:17:43] dawn_to_dusk: Ah
[2019-06-02 01:17:47] ddevans96: shush, I've thought about mafia all week, let me breathe
[2019-06-02 01:17:56] dawn_to_dusk: What do you think about the ultra difficult levels?
[2019-06-02 01:18:01] Mobian: ‹@Espithel› Linkcat just likes me more
[2019-06-02 01:18:25] ddevans96: d-sides? have no interest in them, assuming I do move to PC in the future
[2019-06-02 01:18:31] Espithel: ‹@Mobian›f
[2019-06-02 01:18:35] ddevans96: very fun to watch, I don't think I'd enjoy playing them though
[2019-06-02 01:18:44] ddevans96: very excited for chapter 9, on the other hand
[2019-06-02 01:19:02] dawn_to_dusk: I'll try them for sure
[2019-06-02 01:19:46] ddevans96: [2019-06-02 01:12:39] ‹Espithel› ‹@ddevans96› How happy do you think the mafia are with the current state of the town/game? < extremely
[2019-06-02 01:19:57] Espithel: Good
[2019-06-02 01:20:00] Espithel: Time to make them upset
[2019-06-02 01:20:00] ddevans96: I've basically already implied that's my thoughts several times tho
[2019-06-02 01:20:05] Espithel: I'm not just being crazy
[2019-06-02 01:22:59] Mobian: And how are you going to do that, Espithel
[2019-06-02 01:23:11] Linkcat: That's a silly question, of course he's going to say yes. The only votes are on him and his biggest townread.
[2019-06-02 01:24:11] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
[2019-06-02 01:24:14] Espithel: I'll ask you instead >:(
[2019-06-02 01:24:20] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› And you for good measure
[2019-06-02 01:24:49] Linkcat: Well my answer is obvious too.
[2019-06-02 01:25:27] Mobian: I'd say the mafia is enjoying our chaotic state. We can't seem to get our shit together.
[2019-06-02 01:25:56] Linkcat: That's every mafia game.
[2019-06-02 01:27:19] Mobian: MW does concern me, but I feel our first priority is negating the "white noise"
[2019-06-02 01:29:10] Espithel: Hm.
[2019-06-02 01:29:15] Espithel: Here's my train of thought
[2019-06-02 01:29:43] Espithel: If the mafia are happy, that means we should hit something that's not been hit yet.
[2019-06-02 01:31:05] ddevans96: how about Link?
[2019-06-02 01:31:13] ddevans96: or kae
[2019-06-02 01:31:15] Linkcat: Mafia isn't that happy, dd has 3 votes on him.
[2019-06-02 01:31:46] Espithel: I honestly feel that Link is under the rader pretty heavily
[2019-06-02 01:31:54] Espithel: Would make a good day 4 lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:32:00] ddevans96: I think mafia is extremely happy about that
[2019-06-02 01:32:09] Espithel: Kae feels town to me, but we're using opposite day logic here!
[2019-06-02 01:32:15] Linkcat: Great, let's worry about that on day 4 then.
[2019-06-02 01:33:32] ddevans96: cool. who are we lynching today?
[2019-06-02 01:33:54] Espithel: First off, right
[2019-06-02 01:34:10] Espithel: Mobian's attempted to be the hammer in two different days.
[2019-06-02 01:34:15] Espithel: I really don't like that.
[2019-06-02 01:35:22] Espithel: SHIT he logged on again
[2019-06-02 01:35:24] Espithel: The meme's failed
[2019-06-02 01:35:26] Espithel: GOTTA POST FAST
[2019-06-02 01:35:47] Guest-MinorVampire-8edcc: I’d Lynch mobian tbh
[2019-06-02 01:36:15] Mobian: ‹@Espithel› what do you mean by hammer?
[2019-06-02 01:36:38] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› The "hammer" is the person who decides the lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:36:53] Mobian: I don't speak to guests. Log in if you have shit to say.
[2019-06-02 01:36:55] Espithel: You can be the hammer by putting your vote to make a lynch out of reach (like you have today with evans)
[2019-06-02 01:37:23] Espithel: Or by voting late, like I did on day one killing JCJ.
[2019-06-02 01:37:47] Espithel: With evans
[2019-06-02 01:37:48] DoubleCapitals: how does the hammer work on these forums?
[2019-06-02 01:37:49] Espithel: fucking kill me
[2019-06-02 01:37:51] Espithel: With shock*
[2019-06-02 01:37:59] DoubleCapitals: on MS, the hammer is the one vote that makes the majority
[2019-06-02 01:38:04] DoubleCapitals: then all votes are locked
[2019-06-02 01:38:07] ddevans96: we don't actually have a hammer in the traditional sense
[2019-06-02 01:38:21] Mobian: Evans is a townread, shock is scum. His chaos does literally nothing to help us
[2019-06-02 01:38:26] ddevans96: just a more general, this vote put the lynch out of reach (or attempted to)
[2019-06-02 01:39:15] Espithel: That's fine.
[2019-06-02 01:39:30] Espithel: Except, you also did this on day one.
[2019-06-02 01:40:34] Mobian: I also explained my D1 vote just after I made it. I blindly followed the majority.
[2019-06-02 01:43:26] Mobian: D2 I realized nobody has a clue. Day 3 I'm tired of shock's shit. No clue what D4 will hold, yet.
[2019-06-02 01:44:58] Espithel: Alright.
[2019-06-02 01:45:22] Espithel: Why did you follow me on lynching Ian? I lynched ian because I disliked how he was constantly jostling around votes on the second day. It felt beyond self-preservation.
[2019-06-02 01:45:28] Espithel: Somehow, that weak claim turned into the lynch.
[2019-06-02 01:46:29] MasterWalks: ‹@Mobian› your scum read on me is vote patterns right?
[2019-06-02 01:46:36] Mobian: Ian was ian. He took my aggresive self defense as a sign that I was dirty.
[2019-06-02 01:47:31] Mobian: There was no reasoning with him, and I suspected him of deflecting.
[2019-06-02 01:48:26] ddevans96: [20:26:03] ‹MasterWalks› ok. You want to know how mafia is playing? Literally look how espi is playing. but there is a problem. No one is playing like him. My guess is mafia is "splitting up" and taking on different strategies. One is probably quiet, one is super talkative (espi), one is playing strategically, and the last one is probably playing dumb
[2019-06-02 01:48:29] ddevans96: yes
[2019-06-02 01:49:00] Mobian: And MW.... You've been hyper aggressive towards Espi since the beginning, with little to go on.
[2019-06-02 01:49:21] MasterWalks: ahh okay
[2019-06-02 01:49:29] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› are you ready to stop tunneling espithel
[2019-06-02 01:49:33] shockcannon: and make something happen?
[2019-06-02 01:50:12] MasterWalks: like what
[2019-06-02 01:50:12] Mobian: And given the fact that you're usually super chill and even-tempered, that aggression has me on edge.
[2019-06-02 01:50:31] shockcannon: if espithel is mafia
[2019-06-02 01:50:35] shockcannon: why is he doing what he's doing now
[2019-06-02 01:50:50] shockcannon: if he doesn't say any of this and let things go
[2019-06-02 01:50:54] shockcannon: either ddevans or I die
[2019-06-02 01:51:06] Mobian: To understand the town's headspace
[2019-06-02 01:51:16] shockcannon: assuming we're both town he has no reason to stir the pot
[2019-06-02 01:51:24] shockcannon: now lets assume one or both of ddevans and I are mafia
[2019-06-02 01:51:35] Espithel: However, I know that I have no reason to stir the pot
[2019-06-02 01:51:39] Espithel: So stirring the pot makes me look town.
[2019-06-02 01:51:41] Espithel: :^)
[2019-06-02 01:51:48] shockcannon: uh
[2019-06-02 01:51:50] shockcannon: ok
[2019-06-02 01:51:59] shockcannon: MW you think both ddevans and I are town
[2019-06-02 01:52:05] Espithel: /me coughs.
[2019-06-02 01:52:07] shockcannon: so the other alternative doesn't add up
[2019-06-02 01:52:14] Espithel: No, I think both shock and evans are town.
[2019-06-02 01:52:16] Linkcat: I wouldn't try to understand Espi, you'll just make your head hurt.
[2019-06-02 01:52:17] shockcannon: oh wait jk
[2019-06-02 01:52:19] shockcannon: you're voting on ddevans
[2019-06-02 01:52:20] Espithel: Shock should have been lynched on day 1
[2019-06-02 01:52:23] Espithel: But it's too late on that.
[2019-06-02 01:52:36] Linkcat: It's why I have such a problem reading him.
[2019-06-02 01:52:38] MasterWalks: whats he doing? nothing. hes talking but not giving any suggestions, just going with everyone elses. Its exactly what mobian did to me. Hes not really game planning, hes just following. Espi is last game mobian but public and furry.
[2019-06-02 01:52:41] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› if you're going on mobian i'm down
[2019-06-02 01:52:58] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› mobian is still doing that this game
[2019-06-02 01:53:01] shockcannon: lets make the swap now
[2019-06-02 01:53:06] Espithel: ‹@MasterWalks› "He's talking, but he isn't saying anything!"
[2019-06-02 01:53:09] Espithel: That's an argument right there!
[2019-06-02 01:53:11] MasterWalks: mobian is not
[2019-06-02 01:53:17] shockcannon: he literally is
[2019-06-02 01:53:26] Espithel: :electrum Here
[2019-06-02 01:53:27] shockcannon: unless you're both mafia
[2019-06-02 01:53:30] shockcannon: that's an option
[2019-06-02 01:53:31] MasterWalks: no, hes getting his own scum reads
[2019-06-02 01:53:37] MasterWalks: im not saying their good
[2019-06-02 01:53:39] Espithel: Have a gold star for coming up with a good idea
[2019-06-02 01:53:39] shockcannon: alright i'm making the swap
[2019-06-02 01:53:43] MasterWalks: but he has his own.
[2019-06-02 01:53:47] shockcannon: espithel
[2019-06-02 01:53:50] shockcannon: join
[2019-06-02 01:53:54] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› join
[2019-06-02 01:53:59] Espithel: Could you like not
[2019-06-02 01:54:04] shockcannon: ddevans also
[2019-06-02 01:54:13] Espithel: I was going to tell both evans and shock to not vote on mobian
[2019-06-02 01:54:27] Espithel: Because I know one of you fucks is going to try and make it look like I'm giving some scum "an out"
[2019-06-02 01:54:41] shockcannon: nah i trust you
[2019-06-02 01:54:45] shockcannon: and you've convinced me
[2019-06-02 01:54:53] Linkcat: Then what are you even doing?
[2019-06-02 01:54:54] Espithel: You won't
[2019-06-02 01:54:57] Espithel: Evans won't
[2019-06-02 01:54:58] ddevans96: I mean...I'd rather lynch Mobian than shock or myself
[2019-06-02 01:55:02] ddevans96: why him in particular, exactly?
[2019-06-02 01:55:04] Espithel: Someone else will, and it's a fucking valid argument
[2019-06-02 01:55:10] Mobian: Chaos
[2019-06-02 01:55:18] ddevans96: (I read above, that's not what I'm asking)
[2019-06-02 01:55:23] Espithel: ‹@ddevans96› A count of hypocrisy and 2 counts of hammering.
[2019-06-02 01:55:41] Linkcat: You know what, nevermind, I'm just going to go back to watching Sailor Moon.
[2019-06-02 01:55:41] Espithel: Wait for the post, yeah?
[2019-06-02 01:55:46] Mobian: Hypocrisy??
[2019-06-02 01:55:48] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› What series are you on owo
[2019-06-02 01:56:01] Linkcat: The OG
[2019-06-02 01:56:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Can you crack the code?
[2019-06-02 01:56:46] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96› alright ddevans
[2019-06-02 01:56:48] shockcannon: i'm off you again
[2019-06-02 01:56:50] shockcannon: believe it or not
[2019-06-02 01:56:54] ddevans96: cool
[2019-06-02 01:56:59] shockcannon: lets go
[2019-06-02 01:57:08] shockcannon: because you know as well as I do that lynching me is not the move
[2019-06-02 01:57:13] shockcannon: no matter how much I"m hated
[2019-06-02 01:57:13] ddevans96: dunno why you were on me in the first place, given that you said 'I'm treating dd like confirmed town for the rest of the game'
[2019-06-02 01:57:22] ddevans96: my vote isn't on you
[2019-06-02 01:57:29] shockcannon: ‹@ddevans96› i panicked
[2019-06-02 01:57:33] ddevans96: nor has it been on you since like d1
[2019-06-02 01:57:36] shockcannon: i had 5 votes
[2019-06-02 01:57:40] ddevans96: alright, fair
[2019-06-02 01:57:41] shockcannon: and you were the only option really
[2019-06-02 01:57:58] shockcannon: I'm in on mobian
[2019-06-02 01:58:02] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. It's the last post. Ever.
[2019-06-02 01:58:03] shockcannon: if you and espithel join that's 3
[2019-06-02 01:58:15] shockcannon: I think MasterWalks MIGHT come around
[2019-06-02 01:58:18] shockcannon: maybe linkcat also
[2019-06-02 01:58:24] shockcannon: espithel's convinced me
[2019-06-02 01:58:29] ddevans96: I'll think about it after 12 lives deckbuilding
[2019-06-02 01:59:11] MasterWalks: whats the argument against mobian? I havent been paying attention the last couple hours
[2019-06-02 01:59:18] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› you're tunneling espithel as mafia in the same way you tunneled mobian as town the last game
[2019-06-02 01:59:37] MasterWalks: hmmm
[2019-06-02 01:59:42] MasterWalks: i can see that
[2019-06-02 01:59:48] shockcannon: don't let mobian get you twice
[2019-06-02 01:59:55] Mobian: I voted late, ergo I'm guilty
[2019-06-02 02:00:32] Espithel: Again, wait for the post, yeah?
[2019-06-02 02:00:51] shockcannon: i play the game differently, ergo I"m guilty
[2019-06-02 02:01:08] MasterWalks: im not going to lynch mobian. this is one of first times ive actually talked to him this game and ive said probably a total of 8 words. idk if hes town or mafia but i have no reason to believe either
[2019-06-02 02:01:22] Mobian: But hey, if you'd rather run with a known liar, have fun. I'll be laughing when it bites you in the ass
[2019-06-02 02:01:32] shockcannon: honestly this sounds like MW and mobian are both mafia right now
[2019-06-02 02:01:56] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› Mobian said these same words about me last game
[2019-06-02 02:02:02] shockcannon: guess who ended up mafia and who didn't
[2019-06-02 02:02:30] MasterWalks: uhh, your the exact same this game as last game
[2019-06-02 02:02:38] Mobian: The more aggressive you get, shock, the worse you look
[2019-06-02 02:03:07] Linkcat: Yes.
[2019-06-02 02:03:11] Linkcat: Yes, he is.
[2019-06-02 02:03:11] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› i'm serious
[2019-06-02 02:03:17] shockcannon: do not get played twice in a row
[2019-06-02 02:03:17] Linkcat: And he was town last game.
[2019-06-02 02:03:18] Espithel: ‹@Mobian› I mean, I was going to say "Yeah, by the way shock/evans. I'm not defending your asses. If either of you switch your vote to Mobian, I'm lynching you"
[2019-06-02 02:03:19] ddevans96: [2019-06-02 01:59:18] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you're tunneling espithel as mafia in the same way you tunneled mobian as town the last game < how is this a read on Mobian this game?
[2019-06-02 02:03:20] MasterWalks: the only thing you did last game was role claim people. this game your just making people role claim
[2019-06-02 02:03:32] Espithel: But WEW
[2019-06-02 02:03:34] Espithel: Shock is fast
[2019-06-02 02:03:53] ddevans96: that literally only says anything about MW
[2019-06-02 02:03:56] ddevans96: no?
[2019-06-02 02:04:17] shockcannon: yes
[2019-06-02 02:04:23] shockcannon: but MW won't trust anything espithel says
[2019-06-02 02:04:27] shockcannon: because he thinks espithel is mafia
[2019-06-02 02:04:52] MasterWalks: yep
[2019-06-02 02:06:40] shockcannon: on the off chance I'm talking to 4 mafia right now
[2019-06-02 02:06:44] shockcannon: that would be hilarious
[2019-06-02 02:06:57] shockcannon: if you 4 are maf, congrats
[2019-06-02 02:07:01] ddevans96: hm
[2019-06-02 02:07:35] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› lets start here
[2019-06-02 02:07:36] Espithel: It would be funny
[2019-06-02 02:07:41] shockcannon: do any of you think i'm mafia?
[2019-06-02 02:07:54] Linkcat: Close, it's just me, dd, and Espi.
[2019-06-02 02:07:55] MasterWalks: no i think your town
[2019-06-02 02:08:14] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› do you think i'm town?
[2019-06-02 02:08:24] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon› Unfortunately, yes.
[2019-06-02 02:08:29] Espithel: You should've been lynched day 1.
[2019-06-02 02:08:30] shockcannon: okay
[2019-06-02 02:08:33] MasterWalks: if dd and linkcat are mafia...
[2019-06-02 02:08:35] Espithel: You weren't. We have to live with that.
[2019-06-02 02:08:41] shockcannon: so the 4 of you agree though that at this point, lynching me is suboptimal
[2019-06-02 02:09:11] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› lynching you cuts out static and misinformation
[2019-06-02 02:09:15] Linkcat: Right, so let's lynch dd instead.
[2019-06-02 02:09:22] shockcannon: if the 5 of us can actually use the evidence we have and agree on someone that's not me, we can actually make a move
[2019-06-02 02:09:31] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› you're not going to get a lynch on dd
[2019-06-02 02:09:40] shockcannon: because you need dd to overcome the votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:09:43] MasterWalks: lets lynch dd shock
[2019-06-02 02:09:47] Mobian: I will not trust someone who has lied multiple times
[2019-06-02 02:09:49] shockcannon: you 4 are the only ones who actually believe i'm town
[2019-06-02 02:09:53] MasterWalks: itll be fun
[2019-06-02 02:10:13] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› you two need dd to beat out the votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:10:19] shockcannon: so pick someone else you think is mafia that isn't dd
[2019-06-02 02:10:24] shockcannon: and force dd to vote with you guys
[2019-06-02 02:10:30] shockcannon: and if he doesnt then you know he's mafia
[2019-06-02 02:10:51] shockcannon: we got like 10 hours for the 5 of us to make amove
[2019-06-02 02:10:53] MasterWalks: i wont be able to force dd to vote on himself
[2019-06-02 02:11:12] Mobian: Or, he simply doesn't agree with your choice.
[2019-06-02 02:11:19] Linkcat: Europe will wake up soon.
[2019-06-02 02:11:22] shockcannon: i dont care who it is
[2019-06-02 02:11:26] shockcannon: we dont need to vote on mobian
[2019-06-02 02:11:35] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› if you keep tunneling you're going to lose
[2019-06-02 02:11:49] shockcannon: and the more you keep tunneling the more I think you're mafia
[2019-06-02 02:12:15] MasterWalks: ive been accused of tunneling like 3 people. how is it tunneling at that point
[2019-06-02 02:12:47] shockcannon: your opinions on those people aren't flexible
[2019-06-02 02:12:51] ddevans96: lynching dd is also not ideal
[2019-06-02 02:12:59] shockcannon: and you wont look at anyone besides dd and espithel
[2019-06-02 02:13:12] ddevans96: we could just lynch Espi
[2019-06-02 02:13:18] MasterWalks: you havent given me anything that would convince me otherwise
[2019-06-02 02:13:21] ddevans96: finish what MW started on d1
[2019-06-02 02:13:21] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› also remember when you killed off JCJ day 1 and saved dd?
[2019-06-02 02:13:23] shockcannon: ironic
[2019-06-02 02:13:39] Mobian: ‹@ddevans96› I agree. I think you're solid town.
[2019-06-02 02:13:56] MasterWalks: we were vote hopping. i wanted to vote hop too.
[2019-06-02 02:14:33] Espithel: ‹@ddevans96› At your own peril. :^)
[2019-06-02 02:14:33] shockcannon: I'm quite confident that espithel, MW, linkcat, and ddevans are all town
[2019-06-02 02:14:39] shockcannon: unfortunately none of you trust each other
[2019-06-02 02:14:55] shockcannon: and because of that, you 4 will all lose the one person you all agree on as town
[2019-06-02 02:15:16] shockcannon: and agreeing on me as town isn't really that scummy because the majority thinks i'm mafia
[2019-06-02 02:15:25] shockcannon: so it'd actually be safer and easier to go with the vast majority
[2019-06-02 02:15:25] Linkcat: Hey, I trust MW.
[2019-06-02 02:16:18] shockcannon: alright i'm going to bed really soon and I"m not going to be free again before the deadline
[2019-06-02 02:16:33] shockcannon: so if you 4 want someone that's not me to die today, we need to make a move now
[2019-06-02 02:16:53] shockcannon: but if you 4 can't trust each other, i'm going to go back to voting myself so we don't waste time
[2019-06-02 02:17:00] Linkcat: Put your vote on dd and we'll make it work.
[2019-06-02 02:17:07] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2019-06-02 02:17:08] shockcannon: and if i vote myself, i'm definitely going to die. there's no reversing at that point
[2019-06-02 02:17:10] ddevans96: yeah, imma say nah
[2019-06-02 02:17:16] MasterWalks: I was against lynching jcj
[2019-06-02 02:17:28] ddevans96: Link, who would you like to lynch, other than me?
[2019-06-02 02:17:28] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› and dd
[2019-06-02 02:17:31] shockcannon: but now you think dd is maf
[2019-06-02 02:17:40] ddevans96: since you're the one pushing hardest against me
[2019-06-02 02:17:42] MasterWalks: i voted to vote hop. literally. scummy or not it was to extend timer
[2019-06-02 02:17:42] Linkcat: Actually vote on anybody but yourself.
[2019-06-02 02:18:31] shockcannon: alright
[2019-06-02 02:18:34] shockcannon: you kids have 30 minutes
[2019-06-02 02:18:37] shockcannon: or my vote stays
[2019-06-02 02:18:43] shockcannon: and the other 5 on me are definitely not moving
[2019-06-02 02:18:47] shockcannon: so goodluck overcoming 6 votes on me
[2019-06-02 02:19:31] Mobian: Talking down to someone may not be the best way to someone to do what you want...
[2019-06-02 02:19:41] Espithel: This is true
[2019-06-02 02:19:51] Mobian: *to get someone
[2019-06-02 02:19:53] Espithel: I was looking forward to this mobian post and then shock voted and I was like "ewwwwwwwwwww"
[2019-06-02 02:20:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from shockcannon in Forum Games. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[2019-06-02 02:20:19] shockcannon: i'm desperate like ddevans now
[2019-06-02 02:20:30] MasterWalks: give us another target and a reason to target that person. dd sounds like the best option since i think your town and idk about dd
[2019-06-02 02:20:52] ddevans96: implying I've been desperate at any point this game
[2019-06-02 02:21:10] ddevans96: ‹@Mobian› who do you want to lynch?
[2019-06-02 02:21:18] ddevans96: besides shock
[2019-06-02 02:22:18] Mobian: Other than shock, I do sus MW and Espi for playing 'dodge the bus'
[2019-06-02 02:22:51] Linkcat: If we lynch someone that's not dd, it has to be somebody who has a good chance of being mafia whether or not dd is mafia, so Mobian I guess.
[2019-06-02 02:23:06] Linkcat: Or we could pussy out and lynch math/moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:21] ddevans96: I'm down for a math lynch tbh
[2019-06-02 02:23:25] Linkcat: But I expect Day 4 would just be Day 3 part 2.
[2019-06-02 02:23:42] Mobian: Math does give weird vibes
[2019-06-02 02:23:53] ddevans96: day 4 would just be day 1 part 4
[2019-06-02 02:23:54] ddevans96: tbh
[2019-06-02 02:23:55] MasterWalks: if mafia keeps it up, they will lynch one of those 2
[2019-06-02 02:24:07] Linkcat: Okay, huge red flag there.
[2019-06-02 02:24:10] Espithel: I think we should lynch Submachine
[2019-06-02 02:24:14] Linkcat: Definitely lynch moe over math.
[2019-06-02 02:24:28] Mobian: Unless they are maf
[2019-06-02 02:24:54] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› explain your red flag?
[2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi.
[2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[2019-06-02 02:26:18] shockcannon: i'm in for moe
[2019-06-02 02:26:33] shockcannon: I'm ultimately going to let you 4 decide, because you 4 need to find a way to agree
[2019-06-02 02:26:42] shockcannon: but if you want my opinion, its moe, mobian, or ginyu
[2019-06-02 02:26:49] Linkcat: So you two are down for moe, right?
[2019-06-02 02:26:57] ddevans96: I mean, my reads are public and mostly have not changed, you can go look at them
[2019-06-02 02:26:58] shockcannon: those are decents bets that aren't among us 5 and that I think we could all potentially agree on
[2019-06-02 02:27:01] MasterWalks: is moe euro?
[2019-06-02 02:27:04] ddevans96: yeah, moe's fine too, it's not me so whatever
[2019-06-02 02:27:16] ddevans96: yeah
[2019-06-02 02:27:19] shockcannon: i blocked moe n0
[2019-06-02 02:27:29] MasterWalks: Whoever we lynch needs to be able to defend. We cant have another afk lynch
[2019-06-02 02:27:30] shockcannon: he only mentioned he was blocked after I revealed that in my info dump
[2019-06-02 02:27:40] MasterWalks: if hes euro he will be on soon then
[2019-06-02 02:27:51] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› if he's US he would still ahve time to be on
[2019-06-02 02:27:52] ddevans96: moe was on at deadline last time, it'll be fine
[2019-06-02 02:28:00] shockcannon: its 2pm ET
[2019-06-02 02:28:06] shockcannon: 11am PT
[2019-06-02 02:28:07] MasterWalks: its 1:28 am for me
[2019-06-02 02:28:14] MasterWalks: PST
[2019-06-02 02:28:20] shockcannon: yeah
[2019-06-02 02:28:25] shockcannon: but deadline isn't untill 11am pst
[2019-06-02 02:28:39] MasterWalks: i aint gonna be up that early most likely
[2019-06-02 02:28:44] MasterWalks: i dont work tomorrow
[2019-06-02 02:28:46] Mobian: 2:28 AM my time. Deadlines at noon
[2019-06-02 02:28:48] shockcannon: he has time to defend unless he's like in asia
[2019-06-02 02:29:08] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› are you in moe?
[2019-06-02 02:29:16] shockcannon: if yes then the last person we need is espithel
[2019-06-02 02:29:33] shockcannon: who I feel like is just going to not respond
[2019-06-02 02:29:39] MasterWalks: am i in moe? wtf does that mean?
[2019-06-02 02:29:48] Espithel: ‹@shockcannon› I'm still working
[2019-06-02 02:29:53] ddevans96: are you in [to lynch] moe
[2019-06-02 02:30:01] Espithel: Gimmie a bit
[2019-06-02 02:30:02] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› it means have you used him to keep warm like han does with that beast in episode 5
[2019-06-02 02:30:06] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› they want you to support a moe lynch
[2019-06-02 02:30:15] ddevans96: deadline is noon for me, I might not be able to be on at deadline rn
[2019-06-02 02:30:16] Linkcat: ‹@Mobian› You too.
[2019-06-02 02:30:22] ddevans96: have to do a bunch of shit before my 12 Lives match at 1
[2019-06-02 02:30:25] MasterWalks: yes and yes
[2019-06-02 02:30:26] Linkcat: Same
[2019-06-02 02:30:43] shockcannon: honestly if mobian switches
[2019-06-02 02:30:45] shockcannon: big red flag
[2019-06-02 02:31:17] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› I don't have a read on moe. I'm staying on shock because I dislike liars.
[2019-06-02 02:31:18] shockcannon: eh whatever, he already played his hand with the math comment
[2019-06-02 02:31:56] shockcannon: ‹@MasterWalks› how does it feel to get played last game by someone who dislikes liars?
[2019-06-02 02:32:00] Linkcat: Okay, so we lynch Mobian then?
[2019-06-02 02:32:06] MasterWalks: i dont have a read on moe but i think shock is town and im not going to waste time on dd if we aint lynching him
[2019-06-02 02:32:13] Linkcat: Any objections?
[2019-06-02 02:32:20] Linkcat: Other than Mobian, of course.
[2019-06-02 02:32:24] shockcannon: i'm fine with mobian or moe
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] Linkcat: ‹@Espithel›
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] shockcannon: but MW doesn't seem down with mobian lynch
[2019-06-02 02:32:29] MasterWalks: what? mobian or moe?
[2019-06-02 02:32:48] shockcannon: I think the 4 of us are down for both, with a stronger feel on mobian
[2019-06-02 02:32:53] shockcannon: but we need your vote
[2019-06-02 02:32:56] MasterWalks: eh, ill lynch mobian. I dont really have a read on him either
[2019-06-02 02:32:57] shockcannon: so if you're really against mobian we'll go moe
[2019-06-02 02:33:01] Espithel: ‹@Linkcat› What I would like to ask
[2019-06-02 02:33:04] Espithel: Is that you wait for the post
[2019-06-02 02:33:11] Espithel: Give Mobian a chance to respond to it.
[2019-06-02 02:33:16] Linkcat: You're still making a post?
[2019-06-02 02:33:18] Linkcat: Jesus.
[2019-06-02 02:33:20] Espithel: YES
[2019-06-02 02:33:20] MasterWalks: moe is 1 mobina is 2
[2019-06-02 02:33:24] MasterWalks: (1d2) 2 = 2 ...!+
[2019-06-02 02:33:29] Espithel: YOU THINK MW IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN TUNNEL?
[2019-06-02 02:33:32] Espithel: WH000000000000 BOI
[2019-06-02 02:33:33] Linkcat: Mobina
[2019-06-02 02:33:35] Linkcat: lel
[2019-06-02 02:33:39] shockcannon: ‹@Espithel› you said 5 hours 10 hours ago
[2019-06-02 02:33:46] Linkcat: Who the hell are you tunneling on?
[2019-06-02 02:33:49] ddevans96: ‹@Espithel› when is your post going to be done? bc I needed to be asleep like half an hour ago
[2019-06-02 02:34:03] shockcannon: WAIT A SECOND
[2019-06-02 02:34:08] MasterWalks: lets lynch mobian. dice knows all
[2019-06-02 02:34:15] shockcannon: link and MW with the sneaky last sedcond switch to mobian
[2019-06-02 02:34:28] shockcannon: link, MW, moehrpi all mafia!!!!
[2019-06-02 02:34:30] shockcannon: I found them!
[2019-06-02 02:34:30] Linkcat: Stfu shock
[2019-06-02 02:34:35] MasterWalks: i rolled
[2019-06-02 02:34:38] MasterWalks: what
[2019-06-02 02:34:40] ddevans96: mostly just Link tbh
[2019-06-02 02:34:45] Linkcat: We're lynching Mobian.
[2019-06-02 02:34:45] MasterWalks: i rolled to pick who to lynch
[2019-06-02 02:35:05] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› And for the record, I never lied to MW.
[2019-06-02 02:35:30] Linkcat: This is all to save you, you know.
[2019-06-02 02:35:49] shockcannon: yeah I know
[2019-06-02 02:35:57] shockcannon: mafia also saved ddevans only to lynch ian
[2019-06-02 02:36:03] ddevans96: ^
[2019-06-02 02:36:08] shockcannon: so doesn't mean much
[2019-06-02 02:36:28] shockcannon: mafia would probably any other town die than me
[2019-06-02 02:37:20] MasterWalks: i dont really have a super strong read on much. I think kae, insig, me, and maybe link is town. idc who is lynched at this point. as long as its not me.
[2019-06-02 02:37:53] MasterWalks: and shock. shock is prob town
[2019-06-02 02:38:04] Linkcat: What happened to Espi?
[2019-06-02 02:38:14] MasterWalks: espi is mafia
[2019-06-02 02:38:19] MasterWalks: those are my town reads
[2019-06-02 02:38:20] Mobian: Don't bother with your post, Espi. Just follow them. I'm done trying to prove myself.
[2019-06-02 02:38:46] ddevans96: so we're lynching moerhpi
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] shockcannon: i'm fine waiting with espi post and potentially switching to moe
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] ddevans96: got it
[2019-06-02 02:38:59] shockcannon: but this is kinda of time sensitive
[2019-06-02 02:39:04] MasterWalks: i rolled 2 for mobian
[2019-06-02 02:39:05] Mobian: No, you're lynching me
[2019-06-02 02:39:06] shockcannon: idk if all5 of us will be at deadline
[2019-06-02 02:39:11] shockcannon: so it needs to happen now
[2019-06-02 02:39:30] Linkcat: When is deadline?
[2019-06-02 02:39:39] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› you haven't done anything to prove yourself
[2019-06-02 02:39:45] Mobian: Just do it. I don't really care anymore. 7.5 h
[2019-06-02 02:39:48] shockcannon: you just said you voted late and followed the train
[2019-06-02 02:39:56] Linkcat: Thanks.
[2019-06-02 02:40:08] shockcannon: and that you defended against aggressive ian
[2019-06-02 02:40:24] shockcannon: that doesn't necessarily hurt your case, but it doesnt strengthen it
[2019-06-02 02:40:37] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› And all you've done is lie, and people love you for it. There's no winning for me.
[2019-06-02 02:40:51] Mobian: Ergo, no fucks given.
[2019-06-02 02:40:54] shockcannon: what i've done is talked a lot
[2019-06-02 02:40:58] ddevans96: not really
[2019-06-02 02:41:03] shockcannon: i've talked enough that these 4 trust me as town
[2019-06-02 02:41:14] Mobian: Good night.
[2019-06-02 02:41:14] ddevans96: I don't think any of us want to be in a position where we trust shock
[2019-06-02 02:41:17] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› why don't you ask one of these 4 why they think i'm town
[2019-06-02 02:41:18] ddevans96: but that's kinda where this game is at
[2019-06-02 02:43:03] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› nobody loves me for how I play. I can assure you that.
[2019-06-02 02:43:04] Mobian: It doesn't matter. You choose to trust a liar. With a mindset like that, I am literally unable to change your mind, because I will not give up my moral stance.
[2019-06-02 02:43:28] kaempfer13: ‹@Linkcat› can you explain to me what makes shocks town post so towny? To me it seems like hes been fumbling around with stories and explanations until sth made sense at last
[2019-06-02 02:43:28] ddevans96: also - Link is the only one who wants to lynch you
[2019-06-02 02:43:32] MasterWalks: Nobody even voted yet
[2019-06-02 02:43:34] shockcannon: Also last game you got mad at me for being chaotic when you were mafia?
[2019-06-02 02:43:53] ddevans96: at least, that's actively voicing it
[2019-06-02 02:43:58] kaempfer13: Ofc i still feel neutral regarding his alignment, just want to know the tells
[2019-06-02 02:44:16] Linkcat: I'm only doing that because most people said they were fine with it.
[2019-06-02 02:44:23] Linkcat: I don't think we have the votes to lynch dd.
[2019-06-02 02:44:30] Linkcat: Maybe if kaempfer joins me.
[2019-06-02 02:45:21] Mobian: ‹@shockcannon› You keep bringing up last game. It has literally no bearing on this one. All of you have said as much to my earlier defense. You can't have it both ways.
[2019-06-02 02:45:30] ddevans96: are we picking someone or not?
[2019-06-02 02:45:43] shockcannon: ‹@Mobian› that's fair
[2019-06-02 02:45:47] Linkcat: ‹@kaempfer13› The tell in that post is that you can feel the struggle he has as town trying to help as much as he can while everyone hates on him for it.
[2019-06-02 02:45:58] MasterWalks: if shock mobian and kaemp will vote on dd we might have it
[2019-06-02 02:46:00] shockcannon: but you do realize this game literally encourages people to lie and or hide the truth
[2019-06-02 02:46:35] Linkcat: You probably can't feel it in your first game, but it's just one of those posts that can only come from a town.
[2019-06-02 02:46:39] Linkcat: It's a soul read.
[2019-06-02 02:46:49] Linkcat: Mobian won't vote dd though.
[2019-06-02 02:47:00] Linkcat: feud will vote dd over shock sincehe thinks shock is town.
[2019-06-02 02:47:01] shockcannon: are we going on moe?
[2019-06-02 02:47:18] Mobian: ‹@MasterWalks› I think DD is town. Until that changes, I won't vote him
[2019-06-02 02:47:39] shockcannon: ‹@kaempfer13› will you join a moe or mobian vote?
[2019-06-02 02:47:40] MasterWalks: k fine so no mobian. Shock, less go dd
[2019-06-02 02:47:53] shockcannon: because espithel is at work right now, and i'm not sure we can rely on him right now
[2019-06-02 02:48:03] shockcannon: i already told you dd can't work
[2019-06-02 02:48:06] shockcannon: because we need his vote
[2019-06-02 02:48:10] kaempfer13: mobian is my primary town read
[2019-06-02 02:48:17] Linkcat: dd will go on shock
[2019-06-02 02:48:26] kaempfer13: moe is fine I guess
[2019-06-02 02:48:40] MasterWalks: ‹@shockcannon› dd hasnt opened the game in like 5 years but you can show him hes nub by lynching him
[2019-06-02 02:48:46] Linkcat: We'd need Calin or someone to switch his vote, and Insig's vote.
[2019-06-02 02:48:46] shockcannon: can I start the moe voting then?
[2019-06-02 02:48:51] kaempfer13: I hope I can be around at deadline
[2019-06-02 02:48:59] Linkcat: Espi too.
[2019-06-02 02:49:01] shockcannon: we have 5 right now for moe
[2019-06-02 02:49:07] shockcannon: espithel might also join moe
[2019-06-02 02:49:08] ddevans96: dd had the game open five minutes ago
[2019-06-02 02:49:13] shockcannon: insig may join moe also
[2019-06-02 02:49:37] MasterWalks: oh yea youve been working on ups lately. well PvP anyways.
[2019-06-02 02:49:51] ddevans96: I'm literally in 12 Lives, my dude
[2019-06-02 02:50:01] kaempfer13: also I encountered sth that makes me believe Linkcat is town, but its both flimsy and actually revealing it would probably be bad for town
[2019-06-02 02:50:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. FIRST!
[2019-06-02 02:50:07] Espithel: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2019-06-02 02:50:13] kaempfer13: so not sureif it even helps mentioning
[2019-06-02 02:52:21] ddevans96: 2 votes less than 12 hours into the phase aint shit
[2019-06-02 02:52:58] Linkcat: Hey dd, move your vote to Mobian. :^)
[2019-06-02 02:53:12] MasterWalks: one of the 3 people espi just named are mafia. i bet a million nymphs
[2019-06-02 02:53:21] ddevans96: imma again say nah
[2019-06-02 02:53:51] Espithel: ‹@MasterWalks› Don't out yourself like that
[2019-06-02 02:54:25] Linkcat: So it's a go on moehrpi?
[2019-06-02 02:54:28] shockcannon: well i guess its not possible for espithel and I to vote on the same person
[2019-06-02 02:54:30] Linkcat: Did anyone object?
[2019-06-02 02:54:32] shockcannon: its a go on moehrpi then
[2019-06-02 02:54:39] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› start it
[2019-06-02 02:54:40] Linkcat: dd and kaempfer don't want to go for Mobian.
[2019-06-02 02:54:43] shockcannon: actually i'll start it
[2019-06-02 02:54:46] shockcannon: looks better that way
[2019-06-02 02:55:03] ddevans96: [doubt]
[2019-06-02 02:55:15] Linkcat: Lmao
[2019-06-02 02:55:23] Espithel: Also someone post chatlog
[2019-06-02 02:55:29] Linkcat: Yeah it's probably better if I start it.
[2019-06-02 02:55:30] Espithel: I need to get a drink and remove all the sweat from my body
[2019-06-02 02:55:46] Linkcat: Actually, I don't want to start in.
[2019-06-02 02:55:48] shockcannon: ‹@Linkcat› fine you start
[2019-06-02 02:55:52] shockcannon: fine
[2019-06-02 02:55:53] shockcannon: then i start
[2019-06-02 02:55:53] Linkcat: You guys are forcing me to switch.
[2019-06-02 02:55:57] ddevans96: yeet
[2019-06-02 02:55:58] Mobian: Doing it as my defense. I have nothing more to offer.
[2019-06-02 02:56:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. CAUTION: Contents may be hot.
[2019-06-02 02:56:35] shockcannon: i screwed up
[2019-06-02 02:56:43] shockcannon: linkcat fix the vote count on your post
[2019-06-02 02:56:44] ddevans96: CHANGE THE NUMBERS FOOL
[2019-06-02 02:58:01] AveragePotato: The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Have it your way.
[2019-06-02 02:58:07] Linkcat: This feels like the conversation we had Day 1 but we actually decided on someone.
[2019-06-02 02:58:44] shockcannon: we still need MW and kaempf
[2019-06-02 02:58:54] ddevans96: alright, I'm gonna try to sleep, I have a ton to do tomorrow
[2019-06-02 02:58:55] ddevans96: gn :)
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
FTFY
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 09:03:56 am
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
Keep the votes in the right order.
The chat log is really important to read, lots of interactions there.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 09:05:30 am
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
I suppose we'll pressure one of the inactives, hopefully he'll respond
Post by: Mobian on June 02, 2019, 09:21:37 am
I have two primary assumptions:
-Shockcannon, Evans, and Walk are town.
-The mafia are happy with the current gamestate.
The first assumption:
While we should have lynched shock on day 1, it's too late to lynch him. We need to start lynching scum. We can discipline him for being the honourary fifth later. I think he is town, and don't want town lynched.
Walk has a level of conviction beyond what is healthy for mafia to go for. He is town.
Evans has repeatedly been under fire, and has repeatedly been saved. Of the three, he is the most likely to be scum.
The second assumption is created due to how the mafia have lynched: Inactive People. They have not attempted to deal with Shock in any capacity. In addition, attacking evans and one other person keeps happening. Repeatedly.
Because the mafia are happy with the current gamestate, let's try and sow some dissent, hm?
So, ladies and gentlemen! Espithel would like to present:(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584485771575033886/unknown.png)
Take note, Walks. This is how you go to town on someone.
*Coughs.* Ahem.
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
I'm feeling a good 70% here.(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584650125134266376/Hammer_Right.png)STEP ONE: THE HAMMERS(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584650113176043522/Hammer_Left.png)
Thanks to Kae, we have a handy dandy chart of how everyone voted. How did Mobian vote on day 1?
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584641181367926811/unknown.png)
This is what the cool kids call a "hammer." The hammer is the person who decides the vote on a day. If you look here, Evans has a clear majority on him. Mobian decides to make this majority larger.
The reason why hammering should be avoided at all costs is because it neuters discussion. I feel that, had this hammer not happened, we would have had much healthier options than just JCJ and Evans to pick from. The hammer failed, but this was at the very end of the phase.
And then you have today:shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
Shock's been trying to stir up conflict and dissent. He's seeming more and more scummy.
Another day, another hammer. A lot of people have expressed concern that both these lynches are bad. Mobian, again, votes late and votes as the hammer, trying to stifle discussion (dissent.)
Do you remember how I believe that the mafia are happy with the situation right now? I feel this is an enforcement of that. They do not want a repeat of day 1 where someone random died.
On day 2, Mobian voted to lynch Ian. Keep this in mind later. It's not important here.(https://pngimg.com/uploads/cooking_pot/cooking_pot_PNG14055.png)STEP TWO: THE HYPOCRISY (https://pngimg.com/uploads/kettle/kettle_PNG8702.png)
Let's have a deeper look at that first vote, hm? Why did he vote that way?
First off:I really, really hate it when shock is the voice of reason, but he did have quite a few good points. Right now, I'm inclined to agree with him on keeping our numbers as high as possible. We don't have any solid intel on anybody yet, and I'd like to be sure when I sentence someone to death.
This is Mobian's first post for the day and of the game. I'm not a fan of filthy no-lynchers, but fair enough. You want to be sure, it's day one. That's an incorrect, but fair argument. I can respec-
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584658702582153270/unknown.png)(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/584659089972264961/3b38f7d9a2cc401a8262403c9177f49d.png)
Really?
What was the wonderous, high-intel post that made you take this decision that you'd be sure about?
Was it Linkcat's post? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289684/#msg1289684)
That's not high intel. That's a minor scumread at best. You cannot be sure that this will result in scumlynch. Not even Link was sure it'd result in a scumlynch.
By your own principles, you should've no-lynched. You didn't. Why?
That's beyond neglience. That's being spineless. How do I know this?Iancu, please EBWOP to include my vote.
I've been watching this without much commentary, mostly because I still don't know all of you that well. So until I have a better read on people, I feel going with the majority is best for me. The ideal situation for me would have been to be absolutely sure, and I was considering using my vote to throw a null lynch, but given how the majority of you feel about that, I didn't want to give off the wrong impression and make you think I was mafia again. I truly hope we're making the right play on ddevans, but at this point, I suppose it can't be helped. Please bear in mind this is only my second game of mafia, and I don't want my inexperience to come out as scum.
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Alright.
Bring yourself to day 2.
Mobian voted to lynch Ian on an OMGUS.kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
The more I think about my earlier theory, the more sense it makes. Also, ian seems to just rub me the wrong way.
Why?
If Mobian was town, this makes no sense beyond "being emotional." According to Mobian's own words, he got overly defensive at Ian voting on him earlier in day 2. Why?
Mobian was in no threat of being lynched that day. I even moved my vote on ian because of his constant vote-switching (have a spine in your convictions, ian. >:( )
If Mobian had properly written out his theory, I feel this would be acceptable. But, he didn't. He said "he rubs me the wrong way." This is useless, and violates his theory on no-lynching stated in step 1.
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If only one of these things were present, Mobian would be neutral to town. It's the combination of all three that looks very off.
Before we start voting on Mobian, please give him time to respond. His dissent is important.
Now, Evans, Shock. Special warning for you.
I am not making this post to defend your hides. I am doing this because I think Mobian is a better lynch.
If either of you vote on Mobian, I will vote to lynch you immediately. Don't.
As far as Day 1 goes, it was the opinion of the community that a null-lynch is the epitome of "scum" and if I wanted to be taken seriously, I would HAVE to choose a side, so I did against my better judgement. This wasn't a "hammer" as there was still PLENTY of time for people to get votes in, and they did, as DD is still alive and kicking today. I could only be accused of hammering if my vote made the difference.
As far ian was concerned, he was throwing scum reads, but the kicker for me was when ian complained about being "roleblocked" for the second time, and Insig came to light saying he wardened DD, and revealed an Oty was prevented. I put the facts together that ian was a possible mafia who tried to kill DD with his ability during N1, but the Warden ability prevented that kill. The community was against using aggro roles in the early game, so it threw me off that he would try to, despite his supporting that stance.
Now we come to Shock. He has admittedly lied to the entire community since the beginning. I don't like liars. They undermine the work the community is doing to ferret out the bad citizens. He might be town. He might be mafia. He is certainly, however, a liar, and as such, should not be trusted, or even be suffered to confuse the town further.
As you all can see in the chatlog I posted previously, I have little faith in our town at present, and know you will likely choose to save a liar because "playing like that he can't possibly be mafia." I can never support that mindset, and if you choose to kill me over it, so be it. I will not change my stance on him for the remainder of the game.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 09:26:30 am
[02:00:45] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat›
[02:01:02] ‹shockcannon› well when espithel tells 2 of his 4 potential voters to not vote with him
[02:01:09] ‹shockcannon› he basically lost any chance of his vote going through
[02:01:24] ‹shockcannon› unless he actually expects people voting on me to switch to mobian over me
[02:02:38] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› thanks for posting log btw
[02:03:13] ‹kaempfer13› alright I guess; my votes have the habit of sticking on the same person till the rest of the day though (not that it would have to be that way, just not getting any better reads over time) so this feels more final than it should and i only do it bc shock already has 5 votes too
[02:03:37] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› also if i'm ever getting to be too much let me know
[02:04:01] ‹shockcannon› I know i'm a little aggressive sometimes and I definitely have a thicker skin than others, so sometimes I forget to dial it back and get lost in the game
[02:04:14] ‹Mobian› You play the game as you will, and I will respond in kind.
[02:05:41] ‹shockcannon› goodnight everyone
[02:05:54] ‹MasterWalks› why are we lynching moe?
[02:06:38] ‹Linkcat› You're asking after you put your vote on him?
[02:06:50] ‹MasterWalks› yea
[02:07:00] ‹ddevans96› I like how the start of that log is 'fuck mafia rn, I want to talk about Celeste'
[02:07:41] ‹ddevans96› mb
[02:07:54] ‹MasterWalks› my vote isnt going through on espi. moe and mobian are a no read for me so i didnt care which one really. dd isnt going though either.
[02:08:37] ‹shockcannon› one last quick thing before I leave
[02:09:05] ‹shockcannon› If we did hit mafia in our moehrpi read, mafia is probably going to retaliate
[02:09:16] ‹shockcannon› we should listen to what moe has to say
[02:09:28] ‹ddevans96› Agreed
[02:09:33] ‹shockcannon› but be wary of mafia. Stick to the vote unless we have reason to change
[02:12:28] ‹shockcannon› One last thing
[02:13:01] ‹shockcannon› In case of a tie vote in the final moments, make the other voters be the ones to switch to avoid no lynch
[02:13:24] ‹shockcannon› A majority of the people voting on me have made clear their opinion on no lynch
[02:13:47] ‹shockcannon› They’ll cave and if they don’t, that only strengthens our case
[02:22:32] ‹Mobian› Enjoy that, Espi. I'm done until deadline. Maybe I'll be in a better mood then.
[02:24:35] ‹Espithel› Thank you.
[02:01:02] ‹shockcannon› well when espithel tells 2 of his 4 potential voters to not vote with him
[02:01:09] ‹shockcannon› he basically lost any chance of his vote going through
[02:01:24] ‹shockcannon› unless he actually expects people voting on me to switch to mobian over me
[02:02:38] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› thanks for posting log btw
[02:03:13] ‹kaempfer13› alright I guess; my votes have the habit of sticking on the same person till the rest of the day though (not that it would have to be that way, just not getting any better reads over time) so this feels more final than it should and i only do it bc shock already has 5 votes too
[02:03:37] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› also if i'm ever getting to be too much let me know
[02:04:01] ‹shockcannon› I know i'm a little aggressive sometimes and I definitely have a thicker skin than others, so sometimes I forget to dial it back and get lost in the game
[02:04:14] ‹Mobian› You play the game as you will, and I will respond in kind.
[02:05:41] ‹shockcannon› goodnight everyone
[02:05:54] ‹MasterWalks› why are we lynching moe?
[02:06:38] ‹Linkcat› You're asking after you put your vote on him?
[02:06:50] ‹MasterWalks› yea
[02:07:00] ‹ddevans96› I like how the start of that log is 'fuck mafia rn, I want to talk about Celeste'
[02:07:41] ‹ddevans96› mb
[02:07:54] ‹MasterWalks› my vote isnt going through on espi. moe and mobian are a no read for me so i didnt care which one really. dd isnt going though either.
[02:08:37] ‹shockcannon› one last quick thing before I leave
[02:09:05] ‹shockcannon› If we did hit mafia in our moehrpi read, mafia is probably going to retaliate
[02:09:16] ‹shockcannon› we should listen to what moe has to say
[02:09:28] ‹ddevans96› Agreed
[02:09:33] ‹shockcannon› but be wary of mafia. Stick to the vote unless we have reason to change
[02:12:28] ‹shockcannon› One last thing
[02:13:01] ‹shockcannon› In case of a tie vote in the final moments, make the other voters be the ones to switch to avoid no lynch
[02:13:24] ‹shockcannon› A majority of the people voting on me have made clear their opinion on no lynch
[02:13:47] ‹shockcannon› They’ll cave and if they don’t, that only strengthens our case
[02:22:32] ‹Mobian› Enjoy that, Espi. I'm done until deadline. Maybe I'll be in a better mood then.
[02:24:35] ‹Espithel› Thank you.
Post by: immortal feud on June 02, 2019, 11:46:36 am
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
if this is what it takes to save shock
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2019, 12:00:16 pm
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I guess it can wait and moe flipping as mafia would clear shock.
Also, please note this:
OMGUS and other things. Will post more but it will take 24 hours or even until Monday.
Moe might not be here to defend himself, like how it happened the past 2 day phases. If he's not here to defend himself, I'm not switching.
I also have a plan that involves shock and me both using our ability on a target that we would discuss beforehand, as a way to guarantee a firefly sticking and me confirming shock's role, thoughts on this?
Post by: Mobian on June 02, 2019, 02:19:37 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 03:15:12 pm
Just finished reading up from last night, I'm down on switching my vote on moehrpi, but will be closer to deadline if I ever switch, since the people I have a more confident read on all consider shock town.
I don't necessarily agree with that, but I guess it can wait and moe flipping as mafia would clear shock.
Also, please note this:OMGUS and other things. Will post more but it will take 24 hours or even until Monday.
Moe might not be here to defend himself, like how it happened the past 2 day phases. If he's not here to defend himself, I'm not switching.
I also have a plan that involves shock and me both using our ability on a target that we would discuss beforehand, as a way to guarantee a firefly sticking and me confirming shock's role, thoughts on this?
There's basically 3 groups of people right now. Inactive people who aren't voting or talking. People who think I am mafia. People who think I am town.
If the group who thinks I am town is not allowed to vote on inactives who won't defend themselves, then the only other option is to vote on one of the people who think I am mafia. The people voting on me don't necessarily all trust each other, but they seem to agree that I am town. If they vote on each other they'll split up their votes and I'll get lynched, which is why they actually agreed to work with each other despite thinking that they're not all townies themselves. For them, I'm the constant and they can't afford to disperse their votes among each other. With this logic, it's a better option for all of them to lynch a random person even if they can't defend themselves then lynch something they all think is definitely town.
So if you want to keep moehrpi alive and get people to switch, I think you would probably have to present a case for someone that is currently voting on me, and get that train started. Also, I'm just attempting to clarify where this moehrpi vote came from. We also discussed whether or not meohrpi could defend himself last night, and we forgot about that post he made. I don't think that should 100% prevent him from the option to be voted up, as what's to stop a mafia member from just never responding in hopes that town don't want to lynch someone who can't defend themselves?
Anyways, I tried to accurately represent the logic of others voting on moehrpi. If I put words in people's mouths or said something incorrect, feel free to correct me.
As for why I personally think moehrpi might be mafia. He never revealed he was roleblocked until I claimed that he was. I get that saying you were potentially roleblocked hints that you have a useable ability, but town seemed to be announcing things like that on days 1 and 2. Revealing that he was roleblocked would potentially put a bit of pressure on ian and maybe others when all the roleblocking claims went out. We can also see that moehrpi randomly started the JCJ vote. Without that name in the votes to be constantly there as a reminder that he exists, I doubt JCJ goes up day 1. I think it's likely mafia has a psion who discovered JCJ. They would've seen him as GA and prioritized his lynch, not knowing he was fate egg. Then enters moehrpi. Someone to throw JCJ's name out hoping it sticks in a chaotic day 1 with zero leads. Since moehrpi was roleblocked by me, he has the perfect cover if anyone calls him out. He just simply claims it was a random vote to give GN room to leave breadcrumbs. He doesn't talk much and offers very little to go off for reads. So far no one has been remotely suspicious of him, and town seems to agree that mafia likes our current situation. He could just be a less active town, but I think we can consider moehrpi an educated guess that's slightly less random than 50/50 that he is mafia or not.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 03:35:33 pm
I also have a plan that involves shock and me both using our ability on a target that we would discuss beforehand, as a way to guarantee a firefly sticking and me confirming shock's role, thoughts on this?Unfortunately queen cannot witness mindflayer afaik, but one of the guards would work. Of course without pms the target will know about it, but a town would have no reason to act any different except knowing they will be blocked.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 03:38:32 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2019, 03:57:01 pm
As for why I personally think moehrpi might be mafia. He never revealed he was roleblocked until I claimed that he was. I get that saying you were potentially roleblocked hints that you have a useable ability, but town seemed to be announcing things like that on days 1 and 2. Revealing that he was roleblocked would potentially put a bit of pressure on ian and maybe others when all the roleblocking claims went out. We can also see that moehrpi randomly started the JCJ vote. Without that name in the votes to be constantly there as a reminder that he exists, I doubt JCJ goes up day 1. I think it's likely mafia has a psion who discovered JCJ. They would've seen him as GA and prioritized his lynch, not knowing he was fate egg. Then enters moehrpi. Someone to throw JCJ's name out hoping it sticks in a chaotic day 1 with zero leads. Since moehrpi was roleblocked by me, he has the perfect cover if anyone calls him out. He just simply claims it was a random vote to give GN room to leave breadcrumbs. He doesn't talk much and offers very little to go off for reads. So far no one has been remotely suspicious of him, and town seems to agree that mafia likes our current situation. He could just be a less active town, but I think we can consider moehrpi an educated guess that's slightly less random than 50/50 that he is mafia or not.
You do make an interesting point here, I have to agree. And if moehrpi flips mafia, we get a lot of information to work with, probably enough to close out the game. I'll think about it and might switch closer to the deadline if needed.
Though I do still think that lynching another player that might not be able to defend themselves at all is not the best play, there is a difference between lynching an inactive player that might still be able to be online and defend themselves, and lynching an inactive player that will not be online today but might be at a later date.
I also have a plan that involves shock and me both using our ability on a target that we would discuss beforehand, as a way to guarantee a firefly sticking and me confirming shock's role, thoughts on this?Unfortunately queen cannot witness mindflayer afaik, but one of the guards would work. Of course without pms the target will know about it, but a town would have no reason to act any different except knowing they will be blocked.
Yeah, you are right, disregard the plan.
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2019, 05:00:45 pm
[17:00:39] ‹Coffeeditto› how's it going
[17:02:10] ‹Mobian› ‹@Coffeeditto› it's a mess like always. Tell me, what is your read on our situation?
[17:12:35] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Mobian› everyone is pushing off of not good enough leads and a moerphi lynch while he's gone is stupid. I would much rather see someone else lynched, but anyone I would push would not be flipped onto
[17:21:23] ‹Mobian› ‹@Coffeeditto› for the record, where would you push?
[17:26:00] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Mobian› ian or dc
[17:26:15] ‹iancudorinmarian› Please let me rest in peace
[17:26:18] ‹Calindu› That's my main problem with lynching moehrpi, if he flips town and he can't provide information before that, it's catastrophic
[17:26:52] ‹Mobian› -.-
[17:28:06] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› Much agreed. Though, I dreamt that everyone turned on me due to shock's orchestration
[17:32:40] ‹Mobian› Was a weird ass dream, and prolly a sign I'm taking yhi
[17:32:55] ‹Mobian› *this too seriously
[17:33:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› if you don't want moehrpi offer up reasonable suggestions
[17:33:45] ‹shockcannon› but if you don't have any other good lead, than moehrpi isn't any worse of a choice
[17:36:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› OrChEsTrAtE
[17:38:00] ‹Calindu› You know you are my primary scumread, just because the people I kind of trust as town don't agree, doesn't mean that my opinion is unchanged
[17:39:00] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› I'm glad I'm not alone.
[17:46:23] ‹Mobian› I'm becoming wary of Linkcat, too. He got super defensive when math came up, despite math's minimal activity.
[17:49:13] ‹Calindu› I don't think he became defensive, he doesn't trust the others, so when they picked math, he wanted to switch to the other suggestion
[17:50:54] ‹Mobian› It was SUPER sudden. He was willing to entertain any option but shock and math. Could be a broner, but I suspect something more sinister
[17:51:19] ‹Mobian› And yes. Broner is a copyrighted term.
[17:51:45] ‹Calindu› Let me check the logs again
[17:52:41] ‹Calindu› No, he explained it well and provided good reasons for his argument
[17:53:09] ‹Calindu› [2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi. [2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[17:54:42] ‹Calindu› Note that 'you' in that sentence refers to you, Mobian
[17:56:48] ‹Mobian› Oh, I'm WELL aware
[17:57:27] ‹Calindu› This conversation made me realise that he might actually be partly right about that
[17:02:10] ‹Mobian› ‹@Coffeeditto› it's a mess like always. Tell me, what is your read on our situation?
[17:12:35] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Mobian› everyone is pushing off of not good enough leads and a moerphi lynch while he's gone is stupid. I would much rather see someone else lynched, but anyone I would push would not be flipped onto
[17:21:23] ‹Mobian› ‹@Coffeeditto› for the record, where would you push?
[17:26:00] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@Mobian› ian or dc
[17:26:15] ‹iancudorinmarian› Please let me rest in peace
[17:26:18] ‹Calindu› That's my main problem with lynching moehrpi, if he flips town and he can't provide information before that, it's catastrophic
[17:26:52] ‹Mobian› -.-
[17:28:06] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› Much agreed. Though, I dreamt that everyone turned on me due to shock's orchestration
[17:32:40] ‹Mobian› Was a weird ass dream, and prolly a sign I'm taking yhi
[17:32:55] ‹Mobian› *this too seriously
[17:33:29] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› if you don't want moehrpi offer up reasonable suggestions
[17:33:45] ‹shockcannon› but if you don't have any other good lead, than moehrpi isn't any worse of a choice
[17:36:23] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› OrChEsTrAtE
[17:38:00] ‹Calindu› You know you are my primary scumread, just because the people I kind of trust as town don't agree, doesn't mean that my opinion is unchanged
[17:39:00] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› I'm glad I'm not alone.
[17:46:23] ‹Mobian› I'm becoming wary of Linkcat, too. He got super defensive when math came up, despite math's minimal activity.
[17:49:13] ‹Calindu› I don't think he became defensive, he doesn't trust the others, so when they picked math, he wanted to switch to the other suggestion
[17:50:54] ‹Mobian› It was SUPER sudden. He was willing to entertain any option but shock and math. Could be a broner, but I suspect something more sinister
[17:51:19] ‹Mobian› And yes. Broner is a copyrighted term.
[17:51:45] ‹Calindu› Let me check the logs again
[17:52:41] ‹Calindu› No, he explained it well and provided good reasons for his argument
[17:53:09] ‹Calindu› [2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi. [2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[17:54:42] ‹Calindu› Note that 'you' in that sentence refers to you, Mobian
[17:56:48] ‹Mobian› Oh, I'm WELL aware
[17:57:27] ‹Calindu› This conversation made me realise that he might actually be partly right about that
Short chatlog, explains my next vote too.
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 05:58:54 pm
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, kaempfer13, immortal feud
extending timer
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2019, 06:03:28 pm
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, kaempfer13, immortal feud, Calindu
I'll take the gamble on moehrpi instead of no lynch.
Post by: Submachine on June 02, 2019, 06:31:41 pm
Night 3
Moehrpi died. He was an Elemental and a Guardian Angel.
From the rules: "8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled." Compared to last game, the wording of the rule didn’t change, so the effect won’t change either. Coffee haven’t posted on Night 1, Day 2 and Night 2, so he's getting the hammer.
Coffeeditto died. He was an Elemental and an Iridium Warden.
Night 3 has ended.
Post by: Coffeeditto on June 02, 2019, 06:38:44 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 02, 2019, 06:41:41 pm
Me and other person Link thinks is mafia: Sure, let's go for a math lynch
Link: Whoa, that's a red flag, we definitely need to lynch moe now.
>moe is town
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png)
Post by: shockcannon on June 02, 2019, 07:11:38 pm
Someone else lead discussion, i'll take the back seat. If you all want to continue tunneling on me, that's quite. I've maybe thrown for town at this point and I probably deserve to be lynched just based off principle. Not lynching me probably sets bad precedence. But can people actually be active and join discussion? Like we have mathman and moehrpi voting on me who haven't really said anything at all. We have coffeeditto who said nothing and then randomly role claims after we said not to role claim anymore, and then gets activity modkilled as a townie. I get that I'm really hurting town, but these people are also really hurting town. And if I die and flip town, these are the people you're going to have to rely on in the final moments when its lynch or die. And what's up with Ginyu? He's probably next to be modkilled.
Post by: RootRanger on June 02, 2019, 07:34:30 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 07:41:47 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 02, 2019, 08:05:08 pm
Is there a tldr of why moehrpi
People really didn't like evans or shock as a lynch, so there was a successful attempt to divert attention away from them.
Many people were suggested, such as Mobian, Moehrpi, Espithel, and Kae. They decided Moehrpi, probably because I yelled at both Shock and Evans not to vote on Mobian in case I want to pursue a Linkcat lynch later on.
Also:
[21:00:25]
‹Mobian› You know what? I'll hard reveal. I'm Amber Nymph. The power of momentum is mine.
‹kaempfer13› -.-
‹kaempfer13› that was an unconfirmed role, one step closer to gn death
‹Espithel› See, you're supposed to hard reveal how I hard reveal, which is hide it in a post and only bring it up if it's ever actually important
[21:01:58]
*Linkcat is internally screaming*
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 09:09:08 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Post by: MasterWalks on June 02, 2019, 09:28:36 pm
Town
In order of most town to least town
Kaempfer
shock
insig
Mafia
In order of most mafia to least mafia
Espithel (Mouth of Mafia)
Calindu (Brain of Mafia)
Linkcat/ddevans*** (Hand of Mafia)
? (Eye of mafia)
*** I think only one of them is maf, just no idea which one. IF they are both mafia, it does make some sense as they are just mindgaming town and giving them a run around. Right now, Link is a bit more sus than dd as he seems to be the one who is swapping off if they things start looking scary for dd but stays on him if it looks like he will be safe. This is my read from the voting patterns.
Others
Mobian I have no read on. He is just anger. Hes mad all the time. Cant read someone who is just raging the whole time
Ginyu/Mathman i think one of these 2 is the Eye of Mafia but there simply is not enough to work off of. If one is, then the other is probably graboid if that even exists int his game considering all the dupes.
RootRanger kinda fits in the same category as Mobian. He is hard to read since all i can remember him saying is lynch shock cuz shock bad for town. I might have to go back and check all his posts to get a better read but i am a little busy today.
immortal is sick and isnt talking much. Again, hard to get a read on.
I think thats everyone
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 10:19:03 pm
*Linkcat is internally screaming*
I am externally screaming.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 11:10:54 pm
[10:03:08] ‹Mobian› You do you, but I'll be sticking to my guns on this one.
[10:05:17] ‹Calindu› Well, do so, I feel like you misrepresented why Linkcat doesn't want to lynch math in a very strange way
[10:06:06] ‹Mobian› I presented it as I saw it
[10:06:48] ‹shockcannon› does ddevans, masterwalks, and mobian all being mafia make sense?
[10:07:04] ‹shockcannon› seems ridiculous but I had a thought and it's worth exploring all theories
[10:07:14] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Who would the 4th be?
[10:07:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› i don't know
[10:07:33] ‹shockcannon› but I see a very small possible scenario where those 3 are mafia
[10:08:11] ‹Calindu› MW spits way too much random stuff to see him as mafia
[10:08:34] ‹shockcannon› I think that's underestimating MWs ability to play as a mafia
[10:08:41] ‹shockcannon› and I don't think he should be underestimated
[10:08:59] ‹MasterWalks› You're making me blush
[10:09:02] ‹Mobian› I see DD as town. Light sus on MW, heavier sus on Link and shock
[10:09:58] ‹shockcannon› I know linkcat sees mobian and ddevans as possibly both mafia
[10:10:15] ‹shockcannon› but I think if ddevans is mafia there's a stronger chance MW is also mafia
[10:10:21] ‹shockcannon› although MW did try to get a ddevans lynch today
[10:10:36] ‹MasterWalks› i would rather lynch dd than moe
[10:10:38] ‹shockcannon› so that part doesnt fit, unless it's a bus that MW knows won't win over me being llynched
[10:10:43] ‹Calindu› Idk, I don't think he would give away so many of his thoughts if he were mafia
[10:10:57] ‹Calindu› And he would certainly not push a lynch this hard as mafia
[10:12:35] ‹shockcannon› but anyone who draws mafia at the start of this game is going to be looking to do things to make them look town
[10:13:16] ‹shockcannon› MW tunneling and sharing his thoughts and pushing lynches isn't that hard of a strategy to come up with if he was town
[10:13:22] ‹Mobian› Moe is going to die. Shock will have another day to spout nonsense. I'll like be killed D4, and I couldn't care less
[10:13:25] ‹Calindu› Also, I don't see MW and dd both being mafia, look at day 2 votes to see what I mean
[10:13:49] ‹shockcannon› I don't know if early day votes are reliable
[10:14:08] ‹Calindu› I think they are for this interaction
[10:14:18] ‹MasterWalks› well unlike moe im here to defend myself
[10:14:52] ‹MasterWalks› so go for it. ill vote hop towards end of day to give moe a chance to defend.
[10:15:04] ‹Mobian› 46 mins
[10:15:57] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› What do you even mean?
[10:16:19] ‹shockcannon› root called me out for making claims like "this person is 100% mafia/town"
[10:16:27] ‹shockcannon› coffee called me out on that also, so I'm adapting
[10:16:34] ‹shockcannon› which means exploring all options
[10:16:36] ‹shockcannon› even MW being mafia
[10:18:05] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› well 2 people here are speculating im mafia. What im saying is that i can defend myself; moe can not. If they want to target me whatever, if it gets a following ill defend. Im going to vote hop off moe if moe doesnt show up to defend himself because im against lynching another afk
[10:23:01] ‹Calindu› Idk, lynching another afk would be really bad if he flips town, but you trying to defend against something makes no sense
[10:24:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› what?
[10:24:27] ‹MasterWalks› defending against something that makes no sense?
[10:24:41] ‹MasterWalks› im not even defending yet, i said i am willing to if i get votes
[10:25:26] ‹Calindu› There's no train on you, there will probably be no train on you for the remainder of the day, there's not even something to defend against
[10:26:20] ‹Mobian› He's planning for a worst case scenario
[10:26:27] ‹MasterWalks› lol i understand that, but there are mobian and shock that speculate i am maf. mobian has been speculating it since the beginning of the day.
[10:26:57] ‹MasterWalks› im not defending now, im just saying at least i can defend it if comes down to is unlike moe.
[10:27:16] ‹Mobian› Since the end of D1, just been quiet about it
[10:29:40] ‹Calindu› But unless everyone has that activated by default, I believe most people will not be notified
[10:29:50] ‹Mobian› However, my only real evidence is your bus war with Espi. Not enough to convince others.
[10:49:34] ‹Mobian› 12 mins. Last minute vote hopping is set to begin shortly
[10:49:37] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:49:42] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:49:44] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:50:42] ‹MasterWalks› reads and votes less go
[10:50:45] ‹MasterWalks› hurry
[10:52:01] ‹Mobian› Oh, and I'm gonna laugh my ass of if moe's GN or GA
[10:53:42] ‹MasterWalks› is moe on discord? can we ping him to get him here?
Wait wait wait, hold up, CR joined the chat here.
[10:57:52] ‹CrockettRocket› I don't have wifi in my barracks room now that ive joined the military
He actually joined the military!?
[10:58:22] ‹CrockettRocket› but my fiancé does
And he has a fiancé!?!? What timeline are we living in?
[11:00:02] ‹Mobian› 1 min!!!
[11:00:11] ‹Calindu› That time extension is really random
[11:00:15] ‹Mobian› Timer reset
[11:00:28] ‹MasterWalks› random??
[11:00:32] ‹MasterWalks› i said i was going to
[11:00:34] ‹Calindu› Since moehrpi made it pretty clear he'll be here on Monday
[11:00:38] ‹MasterWalks› like an hour ago
[11:00:43] ‹MasterWalks› oh wait
[11:00:47] ‹MasterWalks› you're right
[11:00:57] ‹Calindu› Idk, I said it's random because there was no discussion going on
[11:01:08] ‹Calindu› Most people that might be able to change something are not online either
[11:01:28] ‹Calindu› So it's either shock, moehrpi or no lynch
[11:01:52] ‹Mobian› There are still people who haven't voted
[11:02:00] ‹MasterWalks› insig left too
[11:02:07] ‹MasterWalks› i wanted his reads and vote
[11:02:18] ‹CrockettRocket› oh my I love mafia
[11:02:25] ‹Calindu› If he wanted to vote he would have done that
[11:05:13] ‹Calindu› I said I don't expect you to be mafia, but I'm having second thoughts about that, since I had to reset the timer to prevent a no lynch, at the last minute
[11:05:26] ‹CrockettRocket› oh this mafia is by submachine
[11:05:40] ‹CrockettRocket› i bet its really freakin' great
[11:05:47] ‹MasterWalks› is it not 10 min extension? its been 7 min since my vote
[11:05:55] ‹Calindu› No, 5 minutes
[11:05:57] ‹MasterWalks› 5 since deadline
[11:06:00] ‹MasterWalks› oh shit
[11:06:10] ‹MasterWalks› i dont want no lynch either
[11:06:12] ‹Calindu› It's 5 since last vote
[11:06:24] ‹MasterWalks› crap
[11:06:31] ‹MasterWalks› well that looks bad on me
[11:06:36] ‹Calindu› But you almost forced it, and I don't buy that 10 min extension right now
[11:06:38] ‹Mobian› 2 min left
[11:06:43] ‹MasterWalks› i dont blame you then
[11:07:27] ‹Mobian› Rip moe
[11:10:20] ‹Mobian› Alrighty Sub, talk to us about moe. How badly did we screw up this time?
[11:10:52] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› GN rip
[11:11:03] ‹Calindu› What
[11:11:37] ‹Mobian› I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD
[11:11:51] ‹shockcannon› it can't be GN
[11:12:00] ‹shockcannon› warden say they blocked GN n1
[11:12:14] ‹shockcannon› GN wouldn't have been seen by warden if its moe
[11:12:16] ‹shockcannon› since i blocked moe
[11:12:17] ‹shockcannon› andi have priority
[11:12:18] ‹Mobian› And?
[11:12:31] ‹MasterWalks› could be FE GN
[11:12:35] ‹shockcannon› unless there's fate egg GN
[11:13:04] ‹shockcannon› i'll take chances on FE GN though
[11:13:18] ‹shockcannon› i was willing to vote moe because I knew that's the only way moe could be GN
[11:15:25] ‹MasterWalks› moe is probably FFQ
[11:17:04] ‹Mobian› Can we get a medical examiner to the morgue?
[11:17:34] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› of moe turned GN that would pretty much out coffeeditto as mafia
[11:17:43] ‹serprex› Amusing I was laughing about CR not being the brightest a couple days ago, here he is demonstrating his inability to keep track of chat for longer than 2 minutes
[11:18:18] ‹CrockettRocket› shit i was probably 13-15 or smth like that when I played this game
[11:18:23] ‹CrockettRocket› lmao
[11:18:31] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I might have skipped a log at some point, because I don't remember anything like that
[11:18:47] ‹shockcannon› coffee said he was warden and blocked root n0
[11:18:50] ‹CrockettRocket› i go into my deck manager and i laugh at some of the bullshit i made
[11:18:55] ‹shockcannon› and that GN targeted root that night
[11:19:19] ‹serprex› ‹@CrockettRocket› tbf your prose is reading pretty well now
[11:19:24] ‹shockcannon› if you believe I'm town and that I blocked moehrpi n0 like I said, then GN can't be moehrpi
[11:19:26] ‹Calindu› Oh, I see
[11:19:32] ‹shockcannon› unless there was a fate egg GN
[11:19:55] ‹Calindu› I hope Fate Egg is removed the next mafia
[11:20:14] ‹Mobian› Moe hasn't disclosed any of his targets. We also don't know how the FEs will play out
[11:20:31] ‹Calindu› It's making hard to keep track of everything and it's harder to find inconsistencies as well
[11:20:37] ‹PlayerOa› I hope duplicates are removed for the next mafia
[11:20:55] ‹Mobian› ‹@PlayerOa› makes the game too easy
[11:20:57] ‹shockcannon› not just duplicates, but any number of extra
[11:21:02] ‹shockcannon› we could literally have 5 fate eggs this game
[11:21:14] ‹Calindu› Or just force no more than 2 of the same role
[11:21:22] ‹Mobian› We could have 19
[11:21:37] ‹shockcannon› dawn flipped otyugh
[11:21:38] ‹shockcannon› so 18
[11:21:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Mobian› can’t, because one has to be GN
[11:21:52] ‹shockcannon› also player flipped something
[11:21:55] ‹shockcannon› i kinda forgot
[11:22:06] ‹shockcannon› seraph
[11:24:48] ‹CrockettRocket› ‹@serprex› i should probably go edit all my posts so they don't all sound like an idiotic 13 year old :sillyspin: :flinch:
[11:25:01] ‹Calindu› Lmao
[11:29:19] ‹Mobian› Submachine!! Why you AWOL man? The suspense is killing me! I mean, not as much as moe, but still
[11:32:18] ‹Calindu› Well, rip
[11:32:32] ‹Calindu› So talking in chat doesn't count?
[11:36:03] ‹ddevans96› kill everyone but Link, who is probably mafia? thinking
[11:36:04] ‹shockcannon› hold on
[11:36:04] ‹Mobian› HAHAHAHAHAFUCKINGHA
[11:36:13] ‹shockcannon› coffee not modkilled until now is really unfortunate
[11:36:18] ‹shockcannon› because that probably would've changed our votes
[11:36:33] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I mean...probably
[11:36:39] ‹Coffeeditto› hi
[11:37:02] ‹Mobian› And like that, our town is fubar
[11:37:14] ‹Calindu› Mobian just seems to be happy we lynched another town
[11:37:15] ‹CrockettRocket› what got coffee modkilled?
[11:37:19] ‹ddevans96› inactivity
[11:37:22] ‹Coffeeditto› crockett?
[11:37:24] ‹Coffeeditto› woah
[11:37:30] ‹CrockettRocket› ohhh ok
[11:38:01] ‹Calindu› Not gonna lie, if I were to be Otyugh, I would certainly target him
[11:38:45] ‹shockcannon› i mean i would've gone mobain this past day
[11:38:57] ‹shockcannon› but espithel literally said that if ddevans or i voted mobian espithel would vote me
[11:39:04] ‹shockcannon› so that put mobian out of the picutre
[11:39:15] ‹MasterWalks› Well this isn't good
[11:39:16] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› also what makes you not mafia?
[11:39:26] ‹Mobian› I'm laughing cause you all ignored me.
[11:39:32] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› My primary role
[11:39:43] ‹Mobian› This shit is just priceless
[11:40:28] ‹ddevans96› it's okay, we know Link is mafia now
[11:40:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› here's what i want to know
[11:40:45] ‹shockcannon› day 1 and 2
[11:40:50] ‹Mobian› I already expect to get lynched next. Mafia's running this show, and shock is the narrator.
[11:40:57] ‹shockcannon› there's massive moves right before voting ends
[11:41:09] ‹shockcannon› but today, when you're not any threat of dying
[11:41:13] ‹shockcannon› no moves at all outside calindu
[11:41:18] ‹Mobian› And nobody is fucking listening
[11:41:31] ‹ddevans96› literally no one wants to lynch you but Link, who is the most clear mafia read everyone should have rn
[11:41:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› no one is listening because i'm town
[11:41:41] ‹shockcannon› wanna lynch me and find you?
[11:41:46] ‹shockcannon› you still going to laugh when i turn town?
[11:41:49] ‹shockcannon› *find out
[11:42:11] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› I'll just straight up tell you the truth, I don't listen to you because you seem incredibly rude
[11:42:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› bc everyone with a brain knows I'm town
[11:42:23] ‹ddevans96› every
[11:42:25] ‹ddevans96› single
[11:42:26] ‹ddevans96› scumread
[11:42:31] ‹ddevans96› on me
[11:42:32] ‹ddevans96› this game
[11:42:34] ‹ddevans96› has been bad
[11:43:11] ‹shockcannon› ddevans lynch day 1 needed to happen
[11:43:15] ‹shockcannon› same as shockcannon lynch day 1
[11:43:19] ‹Mobian› I might be abrasive, but I'm not wrong, nor dishonest
[11:43:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dw I’ll be in next mafia. It’ll be better then.
[11:43:31] ‹shockcannon› honestly I think its too late now and we have to accept it
[11:43:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› alright fine
[11:43:36] ‹shockcannon› i'm on linkcat
[11:43:49] ‹ddevans96› and it didn't. so now we're both town leans, but no one is listening to us
[11:44:03] ‹Mobian› Go ahead, kill me off. You will bring mafia one step closer to victory.
[11:44:12] ‹ddevans96› MOBIAN
[11:44:19] ‹ddevans96› WE AREN'T LYNCHING YOU
[11:44:30] ‹ddevans96› STOP BEING MOODY
[11:44:58] ‹shockcannon› but the moodier he gets, the mroe people think he's mafia, the more people wantt o lynch him
[11:45:02] ‹shockcannon› self fulfilling prophecy
[11:45:07] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› ok
[11:45:13] ‹shockcannon› how are we going to get linkcat lynched then?
[11:45:22] ‹shockcannon› MW refuses to join us
[11:45:29] ‹shockcannon› linkcat wont vote himself
[11:45:37] ‹CrockettRocket› i wanna join the next mafia now just to be the moodiest mf there and flip town
[11:45:40] ‹shockcannon› I dont think anyone else will vote linkcat
[11:46:58] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› will you make a move on linkcat?
[11:47:01] ‹shockcannon› next day?
[11:47:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› (6d10) 5 + 1 + 9 + 7 + 3 + 9 = 34 ...
[11:48:36] ‹Calindu› Depends on the arguments for it
[11:48:56] ‹ddevans96› 1) has made pushes on me with bad logic twice
[11:48:57] ‹shockcannon› this is the argument
[11:49:24] ‹shockcannon› both ddevans and linkcat are playing on my side so they can lead me astray, making me seem even more like mafia
[11:49:25] ‹Calindu› I won't make the moves just because someone I don't trust pushes me to do it
[11:49:34] ‹shockcannon› this keeps the rest of town distracted and me distracted at the same time
[11:49:41] ‹shockcannon› so I will admit right now
[11:49:47] ‹shockcannon› I have been played by mafia for 5 phases now
[11:49:50] ‹ddevans96› uhhhhh no shock, but okay
[11:49:57] ‹shockcannon› I realize this mistake now
[11:50:01] ‹shockcannon› so in my opinion
[11:50:05] ‹shockcannon› either ddevans or linkcat is mafia
[11:50:12] ‹shockcannon› and I'm having a hard time choosing
[11:50:14] ‹ddevans96› yes, you are correct
[11:50:19] ‹shockcannon› but I do think its gotta be one of them
[11:50:31] ‹Calindu› Look, this monologue didn't work the first time on me, what makes you think it will work this time?
[11:50:52] ‹shockcannon› because i'm accepted that I got played by mafia for 5 phases
[11:51:10] ‹ddevans96› 2) the moe situation, summarized in my last post
[11:51:18] ‹shockcannon› unelss you're mafia too
[11:51:21] ‹shockcannon› I guess that's possible
[11:51:28] ‹Calindu› No one played you, you chose to claim 3 different roles and create chaos for no reason
[11:51:32] ‹ddevans96› 3) has not played like his usual town all game (and it's not related to activity)
[11:51:35] ‹shockcannon› probably 2-3 mafia have been talking with me a bunch
[11:51:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› i've only ever claimed 2 roles
[11:51:56] ‹Mobian› Every single one of your "plans" has backfired, shock.
[11:52:01] ‹shockcannon› one of the roles i claimed twice and never lied about that
[11:52:08] ‹shockcannon› the other role I explained why I claimed in my info dump
[11:52:10] ‹shockcannon› which no one read
[11:52:14] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I remember someone mentioning you claiming Otyugh
[11:52:22] ‹shockcannon› i never claimed otyugh
[11:52:28] ‹shockcannon› you can look through all 58 pages if you want and chatlogs
[11:52:36] ‹Mobian› These are plans YOU came up with, and recruited for.
[11:52:41] ‹ddevans96› [shock has only claimed Flayer and GN]
[11:52:56] ‹Calindu› Someone did mention something like that though, I'm 100% sure of it
[11:53:06] ‹Calindu› I'd search, but the forum search function is just useless
[11:53:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› my plan was to not lynch day 1
[11:53:23] ‹shockcannon› that got JCJ lynched
[11:53:23] ‹Mobian› They were referencing last game
[11:53:31] ‹shockcannon› i had 0 part in that.
[11:53:56] ‹ddevans96› 4) I literally got him to admit he does things for his own amusement. is it not the obvious answer that this game, he's doing so by pushing lynches on me? bc that's been like 60% of his brand this game
[11:53:57] ‹shockcannon› day 2 i said ian was mafia
[11:53:59] ‹shockcannon› no one believed me
[11:54:03] ‹ddevans96› he's not pushing for lynches on me bc of a scumread
[11:54:03] ‹shockcannon› i didn't even vote ian originally
[11:54:08] ‹shockcannon› in fact mobian, you voted ian before i did
[11:54:13] ‹ddevans96› and it derailed town for two whole days
[11:54:25] ‹shockcannon› then everyone just switches ian
[11:54:27] ‹shockcannon› and ian dies
[11:54:34] ‹shockcannon› i didn't recruit anything for that
[11:54:42] ‹shockcannon› in fact, i actually tried to no lynch again day 2
[11:54:48] ‹shockcannon› and then i tried GN claim to save ian
[11:54:55] ‹Calindu› I only changed to ian in order to save dd, after he claimed
[11:54:56] ‹shockcannon› which everyone ignored
[11:54:58] ‹shockcannon› so again, no recruiting
[11:57:16] ‹ddevans96› I'm 90% sure Link is mafia
[11:57:48] ‹shockcannon› linkcat won though
[11:57:52] ‹Mobian› I would agree with you, dd. However, shock needs to go first.
[11:57:55] ‹Calindu› You are the boy who cried wolf, you changed your story and lied so many times that unless someone confirms you, I'll see you as mafia
[11:58:08] ‹shockcannon› i lied 1 time
[11:58:11] ‹shockcannon› about GN
[11:58:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where he's not mafia
[11:58:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› i cried wolf to save someone I knew was town
[11:58:57] ‹shockcannon› who you voted for
[11:59:14] ‹Calindu› Didn't you lie about your target N0?
[11:59:16] ‹shockcannon› so at least be unbiased if you're going to call me out
[11:59:29] ‹shockcannon› my n0 target was moehrpi
[11:59:33] ‹shockcannon› i've never mentioned anyone else
[11:59:40] ‹shockcannon› you can fact check me in the thread
[11:59:52] ‹shockcannon› but yes, a lot of people put words into my mouth
[11:59:55] ‹ddevans96› I'm doing 12 Lives. no pings about mafia please
[11:59:57] ‹shockcannon› 1 lie becomes 5 lies
[12:00:00] ‹shockcannon› 1 claim becomes 3 claims
[12:00:17] ‹Calindu› I already explained my vote on ian, I voted on him because no lynch is bad and I was leaning town on dd after his claim
[12:00:30] ‹Mobian› Calindu, you don't like me. That's fine. Target me this night.
[12:00:40] ‹MasterWalks› This town is terrible
[12:00:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› so how is my day 2 plays any worse than yours?
[12:00:57] ‹Calindu› You also cried wolf to create chaos the very next day, and I called you out on your stuff
[12:01:03] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Why would I target you?
[12:01:15] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› he just wants to die to spite everyone
[12:01:24] ‹shockcannon› no one actually wants to kill him except espithel
[12:01:27] ‹shockcannon› but he acts like everyone does
[12:01:28] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› not everyone is like you and going to lynch someone based on a personality dislike
[12:01:45] ‹MasterWalks› Cal has shown no reason to Target you
[12:02:04] ‹Mobian› Because I think he's investigative, not offensive
[12:02:22] ‹Calindu› I already claimed my damn role
[12:02:40] ‹MasterWalks› Everyone should be investigative
[12:02:47] ‹shockcannon› i told you people dont read the posts in the thread
[12:02:59] ‹Calindu› You talk about facts and going for the 100% mafia lynch, but you don't even read key posts
[12:03:46] ‹Mobian› I seem to have missed it, then. You said something recently in chat that made me think otherwise
[12:04:00] ‹Calindu› I said if I were to be Otyugh
[12:16:09] ‹Calindu› Oh, I just saw the log part I missed, it was from last night
[12:16:30] ‹Calindu› Coffee flipping as town warden confirms I'm FFQ
[12:18:34] ‹Espithel› One of two.
[12:19:01] ‹Calindu› Yeah
[12:19:59] ‹Calindu› Also, I guess since everyone knows I'm FFQ, I'm up for suggestions about who to target
[12:21:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Link
[12:21:38] ‹Calindu› I'll obviously not confirm who I'll target, since my ability can easily be countered by not using an ability
[12:21:54] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I guess you missed my roleclaim post as well
[12:22:24] ‹Calindu› It's ok, I roleclaimed just because I targeted Link N0 and know he didn't get targeted by GN
[12:24:19] ‹Coffeeditto› hi
[12:25:39] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› you're trying to see who got targeted by GN?
[12:26:06] ‹MasterWalks› I think GN has little to no information if that GN block wasn't a FE GN
[12:28:41] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I am pretty sure GN wasn't blocked
[12:29:17] ‹Calindu› And while seeing a GN target would be nice, this is not the primary reason I'm using my ability
[12:29:47] ‹Calindu› And if you asked that because I mentioned GN, read my roleclaim post please
[12:31:13] ‹Calindu› Oh, nvm, I guess GN on Root was indeed blocked
[12:34:39] ‹Mobian› I have an idea... Cali, put a fly on Kaempf
[12:34:49] ‹Mobian› Please
[12:34:57] ‹Espithel› Oh?
[12:35:00] ‹Espithel› Why Kae?
[12:35:00] ‹MasterWalks› Okay but that happened on N1 which makes me believe 2 things. One, it was a FE GN. Or Two, GN used their ability N1 as opposed to N0 to throw off mafia and/or wait for a bit more Intel as to try and get a mafia target
[12:35:52] ‹Mobian› I've got a good hunch
[12:36:08] ‹MasterWalks› If it's Two, and mafia has an idea if who GN is, then they will kill GN tonight
[12:36:20] ‹Mobian› I'll make sure your fly triggers.
[12:37:32] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› First night = N0
[12:38:03] ‹MasterWalks› Right. But GN got blocked N1
[12:38:08] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› I won't guarantee me putting a firefly on anyone, I'll consider it, though
[12:38:23] ‹Calindu› When was that revealed?
[12:38:39] ‹MasterWalks› Which means GN didn't use ability N0
[12:38:49] ‹MasterWalks› I'm on mobile, I won't be able to find it RN
[12:39:01] ‹Calindu› Who said it?
[12:41:16] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee did when he revealed
[12:41:36] ‹Calindu› No, he said first night, first night = N0
[12:43:36] ‹Espithel› Assuming no one extra dies, we have one more lynch before lynch or die.
[12:49:24] ‹Mobian› Doomsday clock is already that close to boom?
[12:49:32] ‹kaempfer13› I honestly have no idea what my role would tell you, ill certainly not roleclaim ofc though
[12:50:33] ‹Mobian› I know that you're town, I just have a hunch about which town
[12:52:03] ‹kaempfer13› if you thought it was gn i hope your ability is not a roleblocking one, as that certainly would not help
[12:52:58] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Thing is, I'm not telling you the ability even if I target who you want
[12:53:08] ‹Mobian› I apply a buff.
[12:53:31] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› that's fine
[12:53:43] ‹kaempfer13› oh no
[12:54:01] ‹kaempfer13› im so sorry i didnt want to make you softclaim
[12:54:35] ‹Mobian› Was planning on it anyways, don't worry about it
[12:55:48] ‹kaempfer13› should i wait with lynchlog until end of night or post asap?
[12:56:57] ‹Mobian› Post every 10 mins
[12:57:11] ‹Mobian› Less wall of text that way
[12:57:49] ‹kaempfer13› you can skip steps by skimming, but each move can result in a read
[13:00:25] ‹Mobian› You know what? I'll hard reveal
[13:00:57] ‹Mobian› I'm Amber Nymph. The power of momentum is mine.
[13:01:33] ‹kaempfer13› -.-
[13:01:55] ‹kaempfer13› that was an unconfirmed role, one step closer to gn death
[13:01:58] ‹Espithel› See, you're supposed to hard reveal how I hard reveal
[13:02:22] ‹Espithel› Which is hide it in a post and only bring it up if it's ever actually important
[13:02:25] ‹Espithel› :^)
[15:08:54] ‹Calindu› Lmao, I'm apparently the brain of mafia
[15:09:39] ‹MasterWalks› Thought you might like that
[15:10:59] ‹Calindu› Nah, I'd rather be called what I am, a townie
[15:11:08] ‹Calindu› You gave no reason for the read on me
[15:15:39] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› (5d9) 2 + 5 + 8 + 6 + 3 = 24 ...
[15:17:37] ‹MasterWalks› Hunch
[15:18:24] ‹MasterWalks› It goes deeper than that but I'm on my way to a birthday party. I'll explain a bit more. You're a more mafia read for me than most others tho
[15:18:42] ‹Calindu› Explain them, Espithel was your hunch since the beginning, he never moved away from that
[15:19:09] ‹Calindu› And you were never actually able to actually give a good, solid reason
[10:05:17] ‹Calindu› Well, do so, I feel like you misrepresented why Linkcat doesn't want to lynch math in a very strange way
[10:06:06] ‹Mobian› I presented it as I saw it
[10:06:48] ‹shockcannon› does ddevans, masterwalks, and mobian all being mafia make sense?
[10:07:04] ‹shockcannon› seems ridiculous but I had a thought and it's worth exploring all theories
[10:07:14] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Who would the 4th be?
[10:07:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› i don't know
[10:07:33] ‹shockcannon› but I see a very small possible scenario where those 3 are mafia
[10:08:11] ‹Calindu› MW spits way too much random stuff to see him as mafia
[10:08:34] ‹shockcannon› I think that's underestimating MWs ability to play as a mafia
[10:08:41] ‹shockcannon› and I don't think he should be underestimated
[10:08:59] ‹MasterWalks› You're making me blush
[10:09:02] ‹Mobian› I see DD as town. Light sus on MW, heavier sus on Link and shock
[10:09:58] ‹shockcannon› I know linkcat sees mobian and ddevans as possibly both mafia
[10:10:15] ‹shockcannon› but I think if ddevans is mafia there's a stronger chance MW is also mafia
[10:10:21] ‹shockcannon› although MW did try to get a ddevans lynch today
[10:10:36] ‹MasterWalks› i would rather lynch dd than moe
[10:10:38] ‹shockcannon› so that part doesnt fit, unless it's a bus that MW knows won't win over me being llynched
[10:10:43] ‹Calindu› Idk, I don't think he would give away so many of his thoughts if he were mafia
[10:10:57] ‹Calindu› And he would certainly not push a lynch this hard as mafia
[10:12:35] ‹shockcannon› but anyone who draws mafia at the start of this game is going to be looking to do things to make them look town
[10:13:16] ‹shockcannon› MW tunneling and sharing his thoughts and pushing lynches isn't that hard of a strategy to come up with if he was town
[10:13:22] ‹Mobian› Moe is going to die. Shock will have another day to spout nonsense. I'll like be killed D4, and I couldn't care less
[10:13:25] ‹Calindu› Also, I don't see MW and dd both being mafia, look at day 2 votes to see what I mean
[10:13:49] ‹shockcannon› I don't know if early day votes are reliable
[10:14:08] ‹Calindu› I think they are for this interaction
[10:14:18] ‹MasterWalks› well unlike moe im here to defend myself
[10:14:52] ‹MasterWalks› so go for it. ill vote hop towards end of day to give moe a chance to defend.
[10:15:04] ‹Mobian› 46 mins
[10:15:57] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› What do you even mean?
[10:16:19] ‹shockcannon› root called me out for making claims like "this person is 100% mafia/town"
[10:16:27] ‹shockcannon› coffee called me out on that also, so I'm adapting
[10:16:34] ‹shockcannon› which means exploring all options
[10:16:36] ‹shockcannon› even MW being mafia
[10:18:05] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› well 2 people here are speculating im mafia. What im saying is that i can defend myself; moe can not. If they want to target me whatever, if it gets a following ill defend. Im going to vote hop off moe if moe doesnt show up to defend himself because im against lynching another afk
[10:23:01] ‹Calindu› Idk, lynching another afk would be really bad if he flips town, but you trying to defend against something makes no sense
[10:24:14] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› what?
[10:24:27] ‹MasterWalks› defending against something that makes no sense?
[10:24:41] ‹MasterWalks› im not even defending yet, i said i am willing to if i get votes
[10:25:26] ‹Calindu› There's no train on you, there will probably be no train on you for the remainder of the day, there's not even something to defend against
[10:26:20] ‹Mobian› He's planning for a worst case scenario
[10:26:27] ‹MasterWalks› lol i understand that, but there are mobian and shock that speculate i am maf. mobian has been speculating it since the beginning of the day.
[10:26:57] ‹MasterWalks› im not defending now, im just saying at least i can defend it if comes down to is unlike moe.
[10:27:16] ‹Mobian› Since the end of D1, just been quiet about it
[10:29:40] ‹Calindu› But unless everyone has that activated by default, I believe most people will not be notified
[10:29:50] ‹Mobian› However, my only real evidence is your bus war with Espi. Not enough to convince others.
[10:49:34] ‹Mobian› 12 mins. Last minute vote hopping is set to begin shortly
[10:49:37] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:49:42] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:49:44] ‹MasterWalks› @InsignificantWeeaboo
[10:50:42] ‹MasterWalks› reads and votes less go
[10:50:45] ‹MasterWalks› hurry
[10:52:01] ‹Mobian› Oh, and I'm gonna laugh my ass of if moe's GN or GA
[10:53:42] ‹MasterWalks› is moe on discord? can we ping him to get him here?
Wait wait wait, hold up, CR joined the chat here.
[10:57:52] ‹CrockettRocket› I don't have wifi in my barracks room now that ive joined the military
He actually joined the military!?
[10:58:22] ‹CrockettRocket› but my fiancé does
And he has a fiancé!?!? What timeline are we living in?
[11:00:02] ‹Mobian› 1 min!!!
[11:00:11] ‹Calindu› That time extension is really random
[11:00:15] ‹Mobian› Timer reset
[11:00:28] ‹MasterWalks› random??
[11:00:32] ‹MasterWalks› i said i was going to
[11:00:34] ‹Calindu› Since moehrpi made it pretty clear he'll be here on Monday
[11:00:38] ‹MasterWalks› like an hour ago
[11:00:43] ‹MasterWalks› oh wait
[11:00:47] ‹MasterWalks› you're right
[11:00:57] ‹Calindu› Idk, I said it's random because there was no discussion going on
[11:01:08] ‹Calindu› Most people that might be able to change something are not online either
[11:01:28] ‹Calindu› So it's either shock, moehrpi or no lynch
[11:01:52] ‹Mobian› There are still people who haven't voted
[11:02:00] ‹MasterWalks› insig left too
[11:02:07] ‹MasterWalks› i wanted his reads and vote
[11:02:18] ‹CrockettRocket› oh my I love mafia
[11:02:25] ‹Calindu› If he wanted to vote he would have done that
[11:05:13] ‹Calindu› I said I don't expect you to be mafia, but I'm having second thoughts about that, since I had to reset the timer to prevent a no lynch, at the last minute
[11:05:26] ‹CrockettRocket› oh this mafia is by submachine
[11:05:40] ‹CrockettRocket› i bet its really freakin' great
[11:05:47] ‹MasterWalks› is it not 10 min extension? its been 7 min since my vote
[11:05:55] ‹Calindu› No, 5 minutes
[11:05:57] ‹MasterWalks› 5 since deadline
[11:06:00] ‹MasterWalks› oh shit
[11:06:10] ‹MasterWalks› i dont want no lynch either
[11:06:12] ‹Calindu› It's 5 since last vote
[11:06:24] ‹MasterWalks› crap
[11:06:31] ‹MasterWalks› well that looks bad on me
[11:06:36] ‹Calindu› But you almost forced it, and I don't buy that 10 min extension right now
[11:06:38] ‹Mobian› 2 min left
[11:06:43] ‹MasterWalks› i dont blame you then
[11:07:27] ‹Mobian› Rip moe
[11:10:20] ‹Mobian› Alrighty Sub, talk to us about moe. How badly did we screw up this time?
[11:10:52] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› GN rip
[11:11:03] ‹Calindu› What
[11:11:37] ‹Mobian› I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD
[11:11:51] ‹shockcannon› it can't be GN
[11:12:00] ‹shockcannon› warden say they blocked GN n1
[11:12:14] ‹shockcannon› GN wouldn't have been seen by warden if its moe
[11:12:16] ‹shockcannon› since i blocked moe
[11:12:17] ‹shockcannon› andi have priority
[11:12:18] ‹Mobian› And?
[11:12:31] ‹MasterWalks› could be FE GN
[11:12:35] ‹shockcannon› unless there's fate egg GN
[11:13:04] ‹shockcannon› i'll take chances on FE GN though
[11:13:18] ‹shockcannon› i was willing to vote moe because I knew that's the only way moe could be GN
[11:15:25] ‹MasterWalks› moe is probably FFQ
[11:17:04] ‹Mobian› Can we get a medical examiner to the morgue?
[11:17:34] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› of moe turned GN that would pretty much out coffeeditto as mafia
[11:17:43] ‹serprex› Amusing I was laughing about CR not being the brightest a couple days ago, here he is demonstrating his inability to keep track of chat for longer than 2 minutes
[11:18:18] ‹CrockettRocket› shit i was probably 13-15 or smth like that when I played this game
[11:18:23] ‹CrockettRocket› lmao
[11:18:31] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I might have skipped a log at some point, because I don't remember anything like that
[11:18:47] ‹shockcannon› coffee said he was warden and blocked root n0
[11:18:50] ‹CrockettRocket› i go into my deck manager and i laugh at some of the bullshit i made
[11:18:55] ‹shockcannon› and that GN targeted root that night
[11:19:19] ‹serprex› ‹@CrockettRocket› tbf your prose is reading pretty well now
[11:19:24] ‹shockcannon› if you believe I'm town and that I blocked moehrpi n0 like I said, then GN can't be moehrpi
[11:19:26] ‹Calindu› Oh, I see
[11:19:32] ‹shockcannon› unless there was a fate egg GN
[11:19:55] ‹Calindu› I hope Fate Egg is removed the next mafia
[11:20:14] ‹Mobian› Moe hasn't disclosed any of his targets. We also don't know how the FEs will play out
[11:20:31] ‹Calindu› It's making hard to keep track of everything and it's harder to find inconsistencies as well
[11:20:37] ‹PlayerOa› I hope duplicates are removed for the next mafia
[11:20:55] ‹Mobian› ‹@PlayerOa› makes the game too easy
[11:20:57] ‹shockcannon› not just duplicates, but any number of extra
[11:21:02] ‹shockcannon› we could literally have 5 fate eggs this game
[11:21:14] ‹Calindu› Or just force no more than 2 of the same role
[11:21:22] ‹Mobian› We could have 19
[11:21:37] ‹shockcannon› dawn flipped otyugh
[11:21:38] ‹shockcannon› so 18
[11:21:44] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@Mobian› can’t, because one has to be GN
[11:21:52] ‹shockcannon› also player flipped something
[11:21:55] ‹shockcannon› i kinda forgot
[11:22:06] ‹shockcannon› seraph
[11:24:48] ‹CrockettRocket› ‹@serprex› i should probably go edit all my posts so they don't all sound like an idiotic 13 year old :sillyspin: :flinch:
[11:25:01] ‹Calindu› Lmao
[11:29:19] ‹Mobian› Submachine!! Why you AWOL man? The suspense is killing me! I mean, not as much as moe, but still
[11:32:18] ‹Calindu› Well, rip
[11:32:32] ‹Calindu› So talking in chat doesn't count?
[11:36:03] ‹ddevans96› kill everyone but Link, who is probably mafia? thinking
[11:36:04] ‹shockcannon› hold on
[11:36:04] ‹Mobian› HAHAHAHAHAFUCKINGHA
[11:36:13] ‹shockcannon› coffee not modkilled until now is really unfortunate
[11:36:18] ‹shockcannon› because that probably would've changed our votes
[11:36:33] ‹ddevans96› yeah, I mean...probably
[11:36:39] ‹Coffeeditto› hi
[11:37:02] ‹Mobian› And like that, our town is fubar
[11:37:14] ‹Calindu› Mobian just seems to be happy we lynched another town
[11:37:15] ‹CrockettRocket› what got coffee modkilled?
[11:37:19] ‹ddevans96› inactivity
[11:37:22] ‹Coffeeditto› crockett?
[11:37:24] ‹Coffeeditto› woah
[11:37:30] ‹CrockettRocket› ohhh ok
[11:38:01] ‹Calindu› Not gonna lie, if I were to be Otyugh, I would certainly target him
[11:38:45] ‹shockcannon› i mean i would've gone mobain this past day
[11:38:57] ‹shockcannon› but espithel literally said that if ddevans or i voted mobian espithel would vote me
[11:39:04] ‹shockcannon› so that put mobian out of the picutre
[11:39:15] ‹MasterWalks› Well this isn't good
[11:39:16] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› also what makes you not mafia?
[11:39:26] ‹Mobian› I'm laughing cause you all ignored me.
[11:39:32] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› My primary role
[11:39:43] ‹Mobian› This shit is just priceless
[11:40:28] ‹ddevans96› it's okay, we know Link is mafia now
[11:40:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› here's what i want to know
[11:40:45] ‹shockcannon› day 1 and 2
[11:40:50] ‹Mobian› I already expect to get lynched next. Mafia's running this show, and shock is the narrator.
[11:40:57] ‹shockcannon› there's massive moves right before voting ends
[11:41:09] ‹shockcannon› but today, when you're not any threat of dying
[11:41:13] ‹shockcannon› no moves at all outside calindu
[11:41:18] ‹Mobian› And nobody is fucking listening
[11:41:31] ‹ddevans96› literally no one wants to lynch you but Link, who is the most clear mafia read everyone should have rn
[11:41:36] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› no one is listening because i'm town
[11:41:41] ‹shockcannon› wanna lynch me and find you?
[11:41:46] ‹shockcannon› you still going to laugh when i turn town?
[11:41:49] ‹shockcannon› *find out
[11:42:11] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› I'll just straight up tell you the truth, I don't listen to you because you seem incredibly rude
[11:42:19] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› bc everyone with a brain knows I'm town
[11:42:23] ‹ddevans96› every
[11:42:25] ‹ddevans96› single
[11:42:26] ‹ddevans96› scumread
[11:42:31] ‹ddevans96› on me
[11:42:32] ‹ddevans96› this game
[11:42:34] ‹ddevans96› has been bad
[11:43:11] ‹shockcannon› ddevans lynch day 1 needed to happen
[11:43:15] ‹shockcannon› same as shockcannon lynch day 1
[11:43:19] ‹Mobian› I might be abrasive, but I'm not wrong, nor dishonest
[11:43:26] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Dw I’ll be in next mafia. It’ll be better then.
[11:43:31] ‹shockcannon› honestly I think its too late now and we have to accept it
[11:43:35] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› alright fine
[11:43:36] ‹shockcannon› i'm on linkcat
[11:43:49] ‹ddevans96› and it didn't. so now we're both town leans, but no one is listening to us
[11:44:03] ‹Mobian› Go ahead, kill me off. You will bring mafia one step closer to victory.
[11:44:12] ‹ddevans96› MOBIAN
[11:44:19] ‹ddevans96› WE AREN'T LYNCHING YOU
[11:44:30] ‹ddevans96› STOP BEING MOODY
[11:44:58] ‹shockcannon› but the moodier he gets, the mroe people think he's mafia, the more people wantt o lynch him
[11:45:02] ‹shockcannon› self fulfilling prophecy
[11:45:07] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› ok
[11:45:13] ‹shockcannon› how are we going to get linkcat lynched then?
[11:45:22] ‹shockcannon› MW refuses to join us
[11:45:29] ‹shockcannon› linkcat wont vote himself
[11:45:37] ‹CrockettRocket› i wanna join the next mafia now just to be the moodiest mf there and flip town
[11:45:40] ‹shockcannon› I dont think anyone else will vote linkcat
[11:46:58] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› will you make a move on linkcat?
[11:47:01] ‹shockcannon› next day?
[11:47:22] ‹iancudorinmarian› (6d10) 5 + 1 + 9 + 7 + 3 + 9 = 34 ...
[11:48:36] ‹Calindu› Depends on the arguments for it
[11:48:56] ‹ddevans96› 1) has made pushes on me with bad logic twice
[11:48:57] ‹shockcannon› this is the argument
[11:49:24] ‹shockcannon› both ddevans and linkcat are playing on my side so they can lead me astray, making me seem even more like mafia
[11:49:25] ‹Calindu› I won't make the moves just because someone I don't trust pushes me to do it
[11:49:34] ‹shockcannon› this keeps the rest of town distracted and me distracted at the same time
[11:49:41] ‹shockcannon› so I will admit right now
[11:49:47] ‹shockcannon› I have been played by mafia for 5 phases now
[11:49:50] ‹ddevans96› uhhhhh no shock, but okay
[11:49:57] ‹shockcannon› I realize this mistake now
[11:50:01] ‹shockcannon› so in my opinion
[11:50:05] ‹shockcannon› either ddevans or linkcat is mafia
[11:50:12] ‹shockcannon› and I'm having a hard time choosing
[11:50:14] ‹ddevans96› yes, you are correct
[11:50:19] ‹shockcannon› but I do think its gotta be one of them
[11:50:31] ‹Calindu› Look, this monologue didn't work the first time on me, what makes you think it will work this time?
[11:50:52] ‹shockcannon› because i'm accepted that I got played by mafia for 5 phases
[11:51:10] ‹ddevans96› 2) the moe situation, summarized in my last post
[11:51:18] ‹shockcannon› unelss you're mafia too
[11:51:21] ‹shockcannon› I guess that's possible
[11:51:28] ‹Calindu› No one played you, you chose to claim 3 different roles and create chaos for no reason
[11:51:32] ‹ddevans96› 3) has not played like his usual town all game (and it's not related to activity)
[11:51:35] ‹shockcannon› probably 2-3 mafia have been talking with me a bunch
[11:51:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› i've only ever claimed 2 roles
[11:51:56] ‹Mobian› Every single one of your "plans" has backfired, shock.
[11:52:01] ‹shockcannon› one of the roles i claimed twice and never lied about that
[11:52:08] ‹shockcannon› the other role I explained why I claimed in my info dump
[11:52:10] ‹shockcannon› which no one read
[11:52:14] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I remember someone mentioning you claiming Otyugh
[11:52:22] ‹shockcannon› i never claimed otyugh
[11:52:28] ‹shockcannon› you can look through all 58 pages if you want and chatlogs
[11:52:36] ‹Mobian› These are plans YOU came up with, and recruited for.
[11:52:41] ‹ddevans96› [shock has only claimed Flayer and GN]
[11:52:56] ‹Calindu› Someone did mention something like that though, I'm 100% sure of it
[11:53:06] ‹Calindu› I'd search, but the forum search function is just useless
[11:53:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› my plan was to not lynch day 1
[11:53:23] ‹shockcannon› that got JCJ lynched
[11:53:23] ‹Mobian› They were referencing last game
[11:53:31] ‹shockcannon› i had 0 part in that.
[11:53:56] ‹ddevans96› 4) I literally got him to admit he does things for his own amusement. is it not the obvious answer that this game, he's doing so by pushing lynches on me? bc that's been like 60% of his brand this game
[11:53:57] ‹shockcannon› day 2 i said ian was mafia
[11:53:59] ‹shockcannon› no one believed me
[11:54:03] ‹ddevans96› he's not pushing for lynches on me bc of a scumread
[11:54:03] ‹shockcannon› i didn't even vote ian originally
[11:54:08] ‹shockcannon› in fact mobian, you voted ian before i did
[11:54:13] ‹ddevans96› and it derailed town for two whole days
[11:54:25] ‹shockcannon› then everyone just switches ian
[11:54:27] ‹shockcannon› and ian dies
[11:54:34] ‹shockcannon› i didn't recruit anything for that
[11:54:42] ‹shockcannon› in fact, i actually tried to no lynch again day 2
[11:54:48] ‹shockcannon› and then i tried GN claim to save ian
[11:54:55] ‹Calindu› I only changed to ian in order to save dd, after he claimed
[11:54:56] ‹shockcannon› which everyone ignored
[11:54:58] ‹shockcannon› so again, no recruiting
[11:57:16] ‹ddevans96› I'm 90% sure Link is mafia
[11:57:48] ‹shockcannon› linkcat won though
[11:57:52] ‹Mobian› I would agree with you, dd. However, shock needs to go first.
[11:57:55] ‹Calindu› You are the boy who cried wolf, you changed your story and lied so many times that unless someone confirms you, I'll see you as mafia
[11:58:08] ‹shockcannon› i lied 1 time
[11:58:11] ‹shockcannon› about GN
[11:58:12] ‹ddevans96› I'm struggling to come up with a scenario where he's not mafia
[11:58:55] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› i cried wolf to save someone I knew was town
[11:58:57] ‹shockcannon› who you voted for
[11:59:14] ‹Calindu› Didn't you lie about your target N0?
[11:59:16] ‹shockcannon› so at least be unbiased if you're going to call me out
[11:59:29] ‹shockcannon› my n0 target was moehrpi
[11:59:33] ‹shockcannon› i've never mentioned anyone else
[11:59:40] ‹shockcannon› you can fact check me in the thread
[11:59:52] ‹shockcannon› but yes, a lot of people put words into my mouth
[11:59:55] ‹ddevans96› I'm doing 12 Lives. no pings about mafia please
[11:59:57] ‹shockcannon› 1 lie becomes 5 lies
[12:00:00] ‹shockcannon› 1 claim becomes 3 claims
[12:00:17] ‹Calindu› I already explained my vote on ian, I voted on him because no lynch is bad and I was leaning town on dd after his claim
[12:00:30] ‹Mobian› Calindu, you don't like me. That's fine. Target me this night.
[12:00:40] ‹MasterWalks› This town is terrible
[12:00:51] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› so how is my day 2 plays any worse than yours?
[12:00:57] ‹Calindu› You also cried wolf to create chaos the very next day, and I called you out on your stuff
[12:01:03] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Why would I target you?
[12:01:15] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Calindu› he just wants to die to spite everyone
[12:01:24] ‹shockcannon› no one actually wants to kill him except espithel
[12:01:27] ‹shockcannon› but he acts like everyone does
[12:01:28] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› not everyone is like you and going to lynch someone based on a personality dislike
[12:01:45] ‹MasterWalks› Cal has shown no reason to Target you
[12:02:04] ‹Mobian› Because I think he's investigative, not offensive
[12:02:22] ‹Calindu› I already claimed my damn role
[12:02:40] ‹MasterWalks› Everyone should be investigative
[12:02:47] ‹shockcannon› i told you people dont read the posts in the thread
[12:02:59] ‹Calindu› You talk about facts and going for the 100% mafia lynch, but you don't even read key posts
[12:03:46] ‹Mobian› I seem to have missed it, then. You said something recently in chat that made me think otherwise
[12:04:00] ‹Calindu› I said if I were to be Otyugh
[12:16:09] ‹Calindu› Oh, I just saw the log part I missed, it was from last night
[12:16:30] ‹Calindu› Coffee flipping as town warden confirms I'm FFQ
[12:18:34] ‹Espithel› One of two.
[12:19:01] ‹Calindu› Yeah
[12:19:59] ‹Calindu› Also, I guess since everyone knows I'm FFQ, I'm up for suggestions about who to target
[12:21:20] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› Link
[12:21:38] ‹Calindu› I'll obviously not confirm who I'll target, since my ability can easily be countered by not using an ability
[12:21:54] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I guess you missed my roleclaim post as well
[12:22:24] ‹Calindu› It's ok, I roleclaimed just because I targeted Link N0 and know he didn't get targeted by GN
[12:24:19] ‹Coffeeditto› hi
[12:25:39] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Calindu› you're trying to see who got targeted by GN?
[12:26:06] ‹MasterWalks› I think GN has little to no information if that GN block wasn't a FE GN
[12:28:41] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› I am pretty sure GN wasn't blocked
[12:29:17] ‹Calindu› And while seeing a GN target would be nice, this is not the primary reason I'm using my ability
[12:29:47] ‹Calindu› And if you asked that because I mentioned GN, read my roleclaim post please
[12:31:13] ‹Calindu› Oh, nvm, I guess GN on Root was indeed blocked
[12:34:39] ‹Mobian› I have an idea... Cali, put a fly on Kaempf
[12:34:49] ‹Mobian› Please
[12:34:57] ‹Espithel› Oh?
[12:35:00] ‹Espithel› Why Kae?
[12:35:00] ‹MasterWalks› Okay but that happened on N1 which makes me believe 2 things. One, it was a FE GN. Or Two, GN used their ability N1 as opposed to N0 to throw off mafia and/or wait for a bit more Intel as to try and get a mafia target
[12:35:52] ‹Mobian› I've got a good hunch
[12:36:08] ‹MasterWalks› If it's Two, and mafia has an idea if who GN is, then they will kill GN tonight
[12:36:20] ‹Mobian› I'll make sure your fly triggers.
[12:37:32] ‹Calindu› ‹@MasterWalks› First night = N0
[12:38:03] ‹MasterWalks› Right. But GN got blocked N1
[12:38:08] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› I won't guarantee me putting a firefly on anyone, I'll consider it, though
[12:38:23] ‹Calindu› When was that revealed?
[12:38:39] ‹MasterWalks› Which means GN didn't use ability N0
[12:38:49] ‹MasterWalks› I'm on mobile, I won't be able to find it RN
[12:39:01] ‹Calindu› Who said it?
[12:41:16] ‹MasterWalks› Coffee did when he revealed
[12:41:36] ‹Calindu› No, he said first night, first night = N0
[12:43:36] ‹Espithel› Assuming no one extra dies, we have one more lynch before lynch or die.
[12:49:24] ‹Mobian› Doomsday clock is already that close to boom?
[12:49:32] ‹kaempfer13› I honestly have no idea what my role would tell you, ill certainly not roleclaim ofc though
[12:50:33] ‹Mobian› I know that you're town, I just have a hunch about which town
[12:52:03] ‹kaempfer13› if you thought it was gn i hope your ability is not a roleblocking one, as that certainly would not help
[12:52:58] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Thing is, I'm not telling you the ability even if I target who you want
[12:53:08] ‹Mobian› I apply a buff.
[12:53:31] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› that's fine
[12:53:43] ‹kaempfer13› oh no
[12:54:01] ‹kaempfer13› im so sorry i didnt want to make you softclaim
[12:54:35] ‹Mobian› Was planning on it anyways, don't worry about it
[12:55:48] ‹kaempfer13› should i wait with lynchlog until end of night or post asap?
[12:56:57] ‹Mobian› Post every 10 mins
[12:57:11] ‹Mobian› Less wall of text that way
[12:57:49] ‹kaempfer13› you can skip steps by skimming, but each move can result in a read
[13:00:25] ‹Mobian› You know what? I'll hard reveal
[13:00:57] ‹Mobian› I'm Amber Nymph. The power of momentum is mine.
[13:01:33] ‹kaempfer13› -.-
[13:01:55] ‹kaempfer13› that was an unconfirmed role, one step closer to gn death
[13:01:58] ‹Espithel› See, you're supposed to hard reveal how I hard reveal
[13:02:22] ‹Espithel› Which is hide it in a post and only bring it up if it's ever actually important
[13:02:25] ‹Espithel› :^)
[15:08:54] ‹Calindu› Lmao, I'm apparently the brain of mafia
[15:09:39] ‹MasterWalks› Thought you might like that
[15:10:59] ‹Calindu› Nah, I'd rather be called what I am, a townie
[15:11:08] ‹Calindu› You gave no reason for the read on me
[15:15:39] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› (5d9) 2 + 5 + 8 + 6 + 3 = 24 ...
[15:17:37] ‹MasterWalks› Hunch
[15:18:24] ‹MasterWalks› It goes deeper than that but I'm on my way to a birthday party. I'll explain a bit more. You're a more mafia read for me than most others tho
[15:18:42] ‹Calindu› Explain them, Espithel was your hunch since the beginning, he never moved away from that
[15:19:09] ‹Calindu› And you were never actually able to actually give a good, solid reason
Someone else can do a tl;dr if they want.
Post by: Calindu on June 02, 2019, 11:19:36 pm
v v
MW - From my interactions with him, I firmly believe he's town. He gives away way too many thoughts to be mafia, although he made some questionable decisions.
v
IW - I see no reason he would claim warden targeting dd if he is mafia.
Espithel - No solid read, appears helpful to the town and does not give any weird vibe.
kaempfer - Helpful to the town in multiple ways, has good suggestions and all around appears town.
n
Root - No solid read, keeps a low profile. Doesn't like the constant lying and roleblocks as well.
mathman - Very inactive, not really possible to read.
immortal feud - Seems generally confused and not that interested about the game, can't read him either
w
dd / Linkcat - I'll group them together, since I believe one of them is mafia, and the other one is town. If one of them flips as mafia, I'd consider the other a confirmed town. I read dd as mafia early on, the Anubis roleclaim made me reconsider it, but recent discussions made me reconsider it again.
Ginyu - Not really active, mentioned protecting graboid by not voting, I think it's more likely that he's dodging discussion.
w w
Mobian - Multiple players commented on mafia enjoying the game, and Mobian appears to be the one enjoying the failed lynches the most. He gives a weird vibe all around.
shockcannon - I don't like lying, he tried explaining it multiple times, but I don't buy it.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 02, 2019, 11:30:33 pm
Are you serious? Nobody noticed that moe wasn't going to be here before deadline and we lynched a third afk civ in a row? I'm partially at fault this time, but god damn.
The lynch suggestion you made in conjunction with moe was math, the most inactive player in this game.
Post by: Linkcat on June 02, 2019, 11:34:09 pm
Post incoming.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 02, 2019, 11:54:20 pm
MW - Effectively the same reasoning as Calindu, as well as some other people
v
shock - Some of his points aren't the best, but I doubt he's intentionally trying to sabotage the game in mafia's favor.
kaempf - Seems like he's being helpful to town.
n
math - It's well established that he's been very inactive.
Root - Personally don't believe in the lynch all liars policy. Otherwise, not entirely sure about his alignment.
feud - Inactivity.
w
Linkcat - Seems strange that he'd want to lynch math out of all people.
Ginyu - Either he's being inactive, or intentionally dodging discussion.
dd - Here because he acts how a town would, but also because he started the moe lynch train. Something tells me that it's not a coincidence. orchestrate
ww
Mobian - Rubs me the wrong way, usually when he interacts with shock.
Would it be safe to assume mafia's gameplan is to lynch inactive people so that they can't defend?
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 02, 2019, 11:56:23 pm
If we lynch town every single time, we'll have 6 town the next day and 4 town the day after that. In other words, we've can only afford 2 mislynches.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 02, 2019, 11:59:08 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 03, 2019, 12:09:09 am
Cali: n - Scumread would be based off of lynches, but a couple of his votes contradict my other (shoddy) reads.
Miscounted amount of people, which is 9 town and 4 mafia. This makes 7, then 5. NOW it's 2 mislynches.
Post by: Espithel on June 03, 2019, 12:11:25 am
2. immortal_feud
3. kaempfer13
4. ddevans96
5. InsignificantWeeaboo
6. Espithel
7. MasterWalks
8. Mobian
9. mathman101
10. RootRanger
11. shockcannon
12. Ginyu
13. Calindu
Next lynch will have 12.
Then 10.
Mafia reach parity on day 6 (game over.)
One more lynch until lynch or die.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 12:24:24 am
dd - Here because he acts how a town would, but also because he started the moe lynch train. Something tells me that it's not a coincidence. orchestrate
The lynch was discussed at length in chat, first suggested by Link. I made the initial vote because Link and shock were having a back and forth about who should go first and I wanted to make sure it got done before I went to bed.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 03, 2019, 01:45:30 am
IW/kae/Cal have had some interesting interaction history this game, as Espi and I have previously noted
What interaction history? The only interaction I had with kae is both of us defending Espi day 1.
The only interaction I had with IW is me calling him out on possibly lying.
You defend the one person i actually believe is mafia and you do it over and over
I personally don't get why lynching Espithel would be the better choice between him and MasterWalks. That's why I don't think lynching JCJ for this would be good either. To me, it seems like a 50/50, if not more inclined towards MasterWalks for having no base on his accusations. From his first post, I see that the whole 'who' function is the whole reason he even went with that, which I find pretty ridiculous.
I'll keep my vote on shockcannon for now, but I'm happy to change on Espithel if there's a good reason I can agree with.
This is kinda weird, but even weirder...
I believe it's high time I make a read list as well, order is random:Over all, you have absolutely pounded and criticized every single thing i have done/said. You question me after everything. This is fine BUT you have seemed pretty sure i am town. Im even ranked higher than espi in your little town reads. Yet, in the second quote you said you are more inclined to lynch me rather than espi BUT then you say you are willing to swap your vote to espi (grated you did say if there is more info that arises). You are full of contradictions and non-vote pressuring. I get questioning someone to get a read on them, but when you already have a read, and a pretty sure one, you still do it. If i was to guess, you want role claims. You are the Brain of Mafia because your task is to narrow down roles until GN appears. Just my guess.
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MW - From my interactions with him, I firmly believe he's town. He gives away way too many thoughts to be mafia, although he made some questionable decisions.
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IW - I see no reason he would claim warden targeting dd if he is mafia.
Espithel - No solid read, appears helpful to the town and does not give any weird vibe.
kaempfer - Helpful to the town in multiple ways, has good suggestions and all around appears town.
Also, im sad no one got the LOTR reference in my list :(
Y'all need to watch some real movies instead of anime.
Also, i get my first bases for lynching espi blows. When i get back home I will make a redux of it since there is more info now.
Post by: Linkcat on June 03, 2019, 02:14:31 am
As I explained, I believed that the mafia team was dd, Mobian, and two less active players, (Ginyu, math, feud, moe, Coffee), probably the ones that voted shock (math, moe, Coffee). Since this is based on dd being mafia, I pushed a lynch on him and he got 3 votes to shock's 5. The problem was that all the people who want to lynch shock even though he's town made it so that we couldn't get enough votes for a dd lynch. I keep pushing dd for a while, but people aren't budging and they keep asking me for alternatives, so I think about who else I'd be willing to lynch.
[2019-06-02 02:22:51] Linkcat: If we lynch someone that's not dd, it has to be somebody who has a good chance of being mafia whether or not dd is mafia, so Mobian I guess.
[2019-06-02 02:23:06] Linkcat: Or we could pussy out and lynch math/moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:25] Linkcat: But I expect Day 4 would just be Day 3 part 2.
My priorites are made clear here. dd >>>Mobian >>>>>>>>math/moe
I also want to note here that dd and Mobian both refused to vote for each other yesterday.
I didn't mention Coffee since he took his vote off. I don't really want to lynch math/moe because however they flip isn't going to make an impact on anybody's reads and we'd just do it again tomorrow, but it would still be way better than a shock lynch. Now, the reason I even mentioned math/moe is that I wanted to take stock of who would be down for who's lynch. This is important information because whoever we decide on will most likely be the actual lynch. Mobian and dd, the two people I'm scumreading, both immediately show support for a math lynch. Obviously I don't want to go along with my scumreads, so I explain this and then try to get dd and Mobian to agree to a moe lynch just to see if they would. I got a yes from dd, and no response from mobian, which was notable. We ask him again, and he says this:
[2019-06-02 02:31:17] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› I don't have a read on moe. I'm staying on shock because I dislike liars.
At this point I think there's a high chance of moe being mafia if Mobian is mafia, which I think he is. Having gotten the information I wanted, I immediately try to get a consensus on Mobian.
[2019-06-02 02:32:00] Linkcat: Okay, so we lynch Mobian then?
[2019-06-02 02:32:13] Linkcat: Any objections?
[2019-06-02 02:32:20] Linkcat: Other than Mobian, of course.
Of the four votes we're trying to align, me, shock, MW, and dd, the only one who's not on board is dd. He does not outright state until later that he had no intention of voting on Mobian, but with that being his stance he brings up what he believes is the remaining viable consensus option.
[2019-06-02 02:38:46] ddevans96: so we're lynching moerhpi
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] ddevans96: got it
You're trying to frame me as pushing the moehrpi lynch, but we would have gone for Mobian right then and there if you hadn't forced us to go for the other option we were considering, moe. Let's take a look at your post.
Link: Let's lynch math or moe.
Me and other person Link thinks is mafia: Sure, let's go for a math lynch
Link: Whoa, that's a red flag, we definitely need to lynch moe now.
>moe is town
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png)
You are completely misrepresenting what happened. Let's compare your "summary" to what I actually said.
Link: Let's lynch math or moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:06] Linkcat: Or we could pussy out and lynch math/moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:25] Linkcat: But I expect Day 4 would just be Day 3 part 2.
I clearly see a math/moe lynch as a last resort, not anywhere close to the push you showed. Next.
Link: Whoa, that's a red flag, we definitely need to lynch moe now.
[2019-06-02 02:24:07] Linkcat: Okay, huge red flag there.
[2019-06-02 02:24:14] Linkcat: Definitely lynch moe over math.
[2019-06-02 02:24:54] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› explain your red flag?
[2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi.
[2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[2019-06-02 02:26:49] Linkcat: So you two are down for moe, right?
You tried to frame me as straight up pushing for a moe lynch, but the log clearly shows that I only wanted to lynch moe if we had to resort to lynching an inactive, and I then try to get you to bus your teammate, not directly push his lynch. The only reason we had to go with my last pick for the lynch is because you, and later kaempfer, wouldn't go for Mobian.
You're trying to pin it all on me with blatant misrepresentation, when in reality the moe lynch was a compromise between everyone present. We all chose to lynch him, so we all share the blame. This is by far the scummiest thing you've done this game.
Link to chat log. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290333/#msg1290333)
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 03:09:54 am
[2019-06-02 02:31:17] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› I don't have a read on moe. I'm staying on shock because I dislike liars.
At this point I think there's a high chance of moe being mafia if Mobian is mafia, which I think he is. Having gotten the information I wanted, I immediately try to get a consensus on Mobian.
At no point was it clear that you only brought up moe and math for information.
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[2019-06-02 02:32:00] Linkcat: Okay, so we lynch Mobian then?
[2019-06-02 02:32:13] Linkcat: Any objections?
[2019-06-02 02:32:20] Linkcat: Other than Mobian, of course.
This was shady and manipulative. I would even say underhanded.
We had moved past the point of a Mobian lynch being on the table. We were discussing math and moe, and leaning towards lynching moe. You tried to subtly move the conversation back to Mobian, and people started to fall for the bait, because everything you have said this game has been taken as gospel. And I have zero doubt that it would have worked.
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Of the four votes we're trying to align, me, shock, MW, and dd, the only one who's not on board is dd. He does not outright state until later that he had no intention of voting on Mobian, but with that being his stance he brings up what he believes is the remaining viable consensus option.
Espi had stated he would vote on me if I voted for Mobian. I was not going to take the risk of attracting a third misguided lynch train onto myself. It should have been very obvious that I was not going to vote for Mobian.
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[2019-06-02 02:38:46] ddevans96: so we're lynching moerhpi
[2019-06-02 02:38:50] ddevans96: got it
You're trying to frame me as pushing the moehrpi lynch, but we would have gone for Mobian right then and there if you hadn't forced us to go for the other option we were considering, moe. Let's take a look at your post.
Actually, you 'forced' the conversation back to Mobian, a person only you were actually talking about at that moment, and I made this comment, directly mocking yours, as an attempt to make it clear that I noticed your bullshit, and redirect people to the conversation you interrupted by bringing up your crusade against Mobian again.
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[2019-06-02 02:23:06] Linkcat: Or we could pussy out and lynch math/moe.
[2019-06-02 02:23:25] Linkcat: But I expect Day 4 would just be Day 3 part 2.
I clearly see a math/moe lynch as a last resort, not anywhere close to the push you showed. Next.
[2019-06-02 02:24:07] Linkcat: Okay, huge red flag there.
[2019-06-02 02:24:14] Linkcat: Definitely lynch moe over math.
[2019-06-02 02:24:54] Mobian: ‹@Linkcat› explain your red flag?
[2019-06-02 02:25:43] Linkcat: I think you, dd, and two inactives are mafia, and you both wanted math over moehrpi.
[2019-06-02 02:26:03] Linkcat: That tells me it's likely moe +1 and math is town.
[2019-06-02 02:26:49] Linkcat: So you two are down for moe, right?
You tried to frame me as straight up pushing for a moe lynch, but the log clearly shows that I only wanted to lynch moe if we had to resort to lynching an inactive, and I then try to get you to bus your teammate, not directly push his lynch. The only reason we had to go with my last pick for the lynch is because you, and later kaempfer, wouldn't go for Mobian.
moe was not a lynch option until you put him on the table. Also, I didn't consider him an inactive.
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You're trying to pin it all on me with blatant misrepresentation, when in reality the moe lynch was a compromise between everyone present. We all chose to lynch him, so we all share the blame. This is by far the scummiest thing you've done this game.
At no point have I said you are exclusively to blame for moerphi's lynch. It was absolutely the compromise lynch.
However, you did set the events in motion. You could have never mentioned him and he would still be alive. You also directed a push on me on d1, which has since only served to confuse and distract town.
And don't say anything to me about blatant misrepresentation, when I've been a victim of that all game. Multiple people have made scumreads on me based completely on mistruths. I have trouble believing it's all coincidence.
If you aren't mafia, I'll cut off my dick, sign it with purple glitter, and sell it on Amazon.
Post by: Ginyu on June 03, 2019, 03:25:53 am
Reading through the last 6 pages, it was pretty hard to follow some actions as tons of info is hiding in chat logs that just grow larger and larger as time progresses. Gladly, at some point later reasons were giving.
First, I don't see why Espithel's post was ignored entirely, at least for that Day Phase. I can follow his thoughts very well and Mobian barely managed to defend against the claims (especially trying to get away with the "hammer" looks cheap). As really no one was arguing with it besides Mobian himself I cannot read much out of that unfortunately. However, one thing that strikes me even more is the very sudden train going on on moehrpi, which I read no real reasons for. Linkcat said he preferred to lynch Mobian, but then just went with moehrpi because ddevans disagreed with Mobian?
Now, I have two questions: Why was ddevans opposed to lynch Mobian, and why did his opinion basically decide the vote mostly alone (at least, this is how I read Linkcat's post). That you were considering mathman over moehrpi does not really make a difference here.
Apart from that, shockcannon lying consistently and confusing town several times surely is "bad town" - if he is town. However, it seems to me that the biggest reason he is still alive is him "just being himself", and such low base against anti-town play is dangerous water. Obviously his mafia members wouldn't try to stop him from being so, as this allows him to generate distraction while making him look town without any real justification. I am aware many people tried to lynch him, but that never got the majority.
Lastly, as some players might have realized, I have restrained from voting until now to keep Graboids hidden, which was originally the idea of dawn (I hope I remember correctly). Graboids are immune to Nightkills and as such I wanted to help them get cover, as trying to NK them will result in an additional day for us, and may have even worked N0 (although the JCJ target seems more likely to me). To make up for my lack of votes, I tried to post my thoughts on everydays lynch (except the last one as I was on holiday over the weekend). As more people reveal their roles, that tactic might not be valid for much longer, however, and I would like some other opinions on this.
I will post my reads when Link and dd responded, but right now Mobian, shockcannon and those two are on my watch list. [Also, it is 5:25am, and I do not want to overwrite my post now that I saw ddevans' reply.]
Ceterum censeo mafia chat esse delendam.
Post by: Espithel on June 03, 2019, 04:06:44 am
Here's everyone's roles thus far:
1. iancudorinmarian - Fate Egg
2. Linkcat - ????
3. PlayerOa - Seraph
4. JonathanCrazyJ - Fate Egg
5. immortal_feud - ????
6. kaempfer13 - ????
7. ddevans96 - Anubis
8. dawn to dusk - Otyugh
9. InsignificantWeeaboo - Warden
10. Espithel - :^)
11. MasterWalks - ????
12. Mobian - Amber Nymph
13. Coffeeditto - Warden
14. mathman101 - ????
15. RootRanger - ????
16. shockcannon - Mind flayer - Dubious
17. Ginyu - ????
18. Calindu - FFQ
19. moehrpi - Guardian Angel
Known but not claimed: FFQ2, Anubis2*, Warden2, GN, GN.
*ddevans claims to not have targeted Link with Anubis, meaning there's likely a second one running around, or a fate egg.
The potential graboid candidates are RootRanger, MasterWalks, Mathman101, Espithel, Kaempfer, Feud, and Linkcat. They have all voted.
This means that if there is a graboid in the game, it has to be Ginyu.
Ginyu is not the graboid. If he was, he wouldn't be asking if he could vote or not.
Therefore, there is no Graboid in this game.
Start voting, Ginny.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 03, 2019, 05:09:00 am
Okay! Let's get this out of the way, can we?
Known but not claimed: FFQ2, Anubis2*, Warden2, GN, GN.
Wouldn't that just be Coffee?
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 06:32:53 am
First, I don't see why Espithel's post was ignored entirely, at least for that Day Phase. I can follow his thoughts very well and Mobian barely managed to defend against the claims (especially trying to get away with the "hammer" looks cheap). As really no one was arguing with it besides Mobian himself I cannot read much out of that unfortunately.
Espi's post came way later than expected, and was basically just a rehash of points he'd already been making in chat. My biggest issue with the post is that his second of two claimed hammers was in absolutely no way a hammer. It's really not a bad post, but in the context of this game, I'm just kind of over everyone saying 'ignore shock, he's a liar', and meanwhile a ton of posts like this are bending the truth in some way.
I'm not a big fan of his other two points, either, and I'm also scumreading him. I don't think the post should be discarded as useless, but I'm personally taking it with a grain of salt.
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However, one thing that strikes me even more is the very sudden train going on on moehrpi, which I read no real reasons for. Linkcat said he preferred to lynch Mobian, but then just went with moehrpi because ddevans disagreed with Mobian?
Now, I have two questions: Why was ddevans opposed to lynch Mobian, and why did his opinion basically decide the vote mostly alone (at least, this is how I read Linkcat's post). That you were considering mathman over moehrpi does not really make a difference here.
Answered in my post - the short answers are 'because Espi' and 'it didn't'.
My current theory is that Link gave two names, moe and his mafia buddy math, and suggested them in tandem, under the guise of soliciting opinions. If his mafia reads supported a math lynch, he'd do as he did, saying 'red flag', and because we don't want to lynch Mobian, moe gets the rope - if we picked moe he'd have just been like 'yeah, go for it'. And if we ignore those two options, someone he knows is town (Mobian, shock, me) gets lynched instead. It would give the illusion of choice, when in reality he's in complete control. It slots into what I think mafia's playstyle is this game.
Post by: immortal feud on June 03, 2019, 06:43:57 am
Post by: Espithel on June 03, 2019, 08:35:54 am
Okay! Let's get this out of the way, can we?
Known but not claimed: FFQ2, Anubis2*, Warden2, GN, GN.
Wouldn't that just be Coffee?
I'm retarded!
Yes, that would just be coffee.
Congrats, there's three unknown roles instead of two.
Espi's post came way later than expected, and was basically just a rehash of points he'd already been making in chat. My biggest issue with the post is that his second of two claimed hammers was in absolutely no way a hammer.
Look at how scummy you had to look - organising with tons of people at the last second to lynch someone who couldn't defend himself - In order to not get Shock lynched.
How is that not an attempt at absolutely ensuring Shock's lynch?
How is that not a hammer?
Post by: Calindu on June 03, 2019, 10:36:54 am
You defend the one person i actually believe is mafia and you do it over and over
Because you have no actual evidence supporting it, you started with 'Espithel is mafia' because of him asking about a rule and kept going at it, nothing influenced your stand a little bit, You didn't even look at recent posts to support your claim.
Over all, you have absolutely pounded and criticized every single thing i have done/said. You question me after everything. This is fine BUT you have seemed pretty sure i am town. Im even ranked higher than espi in your little town reads. Yet, in the second quote you said you are more inclined to lynch me rather than espi BUT then you say you are willing to swap your vote to espi (grated you did say if there is more info that arises). You are full of contradictions and non-vote pressuring. I get questioning someone to get a read on them, but when you already have a read, and a pretty sure one, you still do it. If i was to guess, you want role claims. You are the Brain of Mafia because your task is to narrow down roles until GN appears. Just my guess.
Look at the dates of the two posts you used, the first one was made D1. How the hell is that still relevant to my read list that I can't put you higher than Espithel? The fact that you are town became apparent over time really. How could you have a hard read at the start of D1?
I was also against many of the roleclaims that happened, the only roleclaim I took a part in forcing was dd, because he would most likely get lynched otherwise. I even had to roleclaim myself because someone else fake roleclaimed.
You are pissed that I question what I do, but you proved in this post that your reasoning is flawed and you try and force a read where you can't make one. Me not trusting your reasoning has nothing to do with my read on you.
Post by: Calindu on June 03, 2019, 10:41:26 am
Post by: moehrpi on June 03, 2019, 01:18:45 pm
I thought I had one more day to get back to posting until night. At least I save myself quoting 20+ people and writing out answers. :)
Post by: RootRanger on June 03, 2019, 04:31:14 pm
No one considered that
1.) moehrpi could have a power role, meaning that killing him bears a much worse cost than killing shock, who had a role that he had been using to impede our progress. moehrpi ended up being GA, basically the second most important player in the game.
2.) moehrpi could have information, which we never gave him the chance to reveal pre-lynch by lynching him only at the very end of the phase before he had a chance to reveal. There doesn't seem to be a Graboid in this game, which means that the failed N0 nightkill was probably due to a GA. Whoever moehrpi targeted N0 is statistically a lot more likely to be civ, because one of the GA targets was a guaranteed civ due to the fact that the NK failed. But we'll never know. Because civs got pressured into a terrible lynch by mafia who have been dominating the game.
The iancu lynch was silly, but the moehrpi lynch legitimately made zero sense for the civs. I'll be posting my "reads" (I really hate that term, but when people are pushing objectively bad lynches, I start to get a little more confident in my suspicions).
Post by: RootRanger on June 03, 2019, 05:02:25 pm
Calindu - Recognizes that shock is mafia and moehrpi was a bad lynch but was forced to vote for him bc no lynch was worse, so I won't count that against him. Called shock out for his lies which ultimately costed a role reveal. Active, hasn't done anything dumb, all around good civ.
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Espithel - Solid civ, makes decent enough arguments, very active, doesn't seem to be doing anything bad. The push on Mobian was interesting. I largely disagree with it but at least he's doing something.
n+
kaempfer - Generally solid civ and contributed to discussion, looked into lynch logs, is realistic about the knowledge the civs have, so I'm leaning civ for him but the vote on moehrpi was concerning. I think he was more likely a civ who was misled by the mafia but he could be scum too.
Insig - He was reckless with his warden ability but it provided useful info in that an Otyugh (probably civ, since we've had two civ Otys die) had been targeting ddevans.
Mobian - Hasn't really done much of note, but at least he's active and hasn't done anything particularly bad.
n
mathman - Super inactive, hard to say.
Ginyu - Also inactive, no strong reads.
n-
MasterWalks - Similar voting with ddevans, pushed the Espi lynch which was then backed up by ddevans. I initially thought he was GN who investigated Espi on N0, but this was disproven by Coffee's info, which means he just gunned after Espi for no reason. Also blindly joins the moehrpi bandwagon.
immortal feud - "if this is what it takes to save shock" -- seriously? A bad civ would have no info on shock, a bad mafia would try to save him.
w
Linkcat - Directing the flow of the game moreso than any other player, and the game has not been flowing in the right direction. Has been the main reason why shock has not yet been lynched and continues to roleblock civs with impunity. Was given immortality, which is SUPER suspicious, because that role makes no sense for that role to be used in any way other than a mafia targeting another mafia, or (less likely) mafia framing a civ, or civs being dumb with their role usage.
ddevans - Second most influential player after Linkcat, plus Anubis, which means he was likely the mafia player who targeted Linkcat (I think all the bickering between them is entirely fake and that they're both mafia, will elaborate more on this). Has also been saving shockcannon and convincing half the town that he's civ. Was also the first one to push the moehrpi lynch, which was an awful play. Has been repeatedly saved from lynching too, likely by other mafia.
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shockcannon - Super obvious lynch based on his playstyle. I've talked about him enough as is but I could say more if anyone missed the convos. Plus it's always civs supporting to lynch him and (likely) mafia saving him.
Post by: RootRanger on June 03, 2019, 05:22:53 pm
The most realistic mafia team is shockcannon/Linkcat/ddevans, and the last member is either inexperienced (MW/immortal) or laying low (mathman/Ginyu).
There, I said it. Linkcat and ddevans are both mafia. We all realize that at least one of them is mafia, due to the fact that they're basically running the game (and the game is going horrendously), but assume that the other must be civ, due to the fact that they're always bickering with each other (and the "push" on ddevans by Linkcat that he knew wouldn't succeed). But it makes total sense that they would try to pull this off, since it basically guarantees that if one of them dies, the other is treated as a confirmed civ and his word is law.
So, they could be working together as mafia, what makes me think they are? Two reasons.
First, that they both so vehemently defend shockcannon, someone who is clearly acting in the best interests of the mafia. They've both convinced us that he's too "chaotic" to be mafia, and they can use their expert knowledge to deduce that he's clearly civ. They want to keep him alive not just so they can continue to lynch civs with impunity, but also because he's their roleblocker. This last bit is speculation, but I think it's reasonably likely mafia knows who the GN is and is having shock roleblock them rather than using a NK, to prevent vulture from becoming a second GN who they don't know about.
Secondly, Calindu's immaterial reveal that everyone seemed to have forgotten about. This was huge information. We know that 1.) Linkcat was made immaterial and 2.) ddevans is Anubis and most likely the only one in the game. If ddevans were civ, I don't think he would blindly use his role, because it interferes with GN and GA targetting. And if he were mafia, he would use his role to protect other mafias. Yes, there could be another Anubis, who happened to target Linkcat, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.
So there we go. shockcannon is soliciting roles and roleblocking civs, and getting away with it. Linkcat and ddevans are saving him from lynch and pushing lynches on civilians. Linkcat was made immaterial, something which makes the most sense if he's mafia, most likely by ddevans. And the whole fabricated Link/ddevans feud works if no one realizes to question it. If one of them dies, we treat the other as a confirmed civ.
So, yeah, I could be wrong, but this is the most likely mafia team. I'd prioritize the lynch on shock, since he's roleblocking civ roles, but I'd equally support lynches on the other two. Unfortunately I'm less sure about the 4th member, but if we manage to lynch three mafias in a row the next three rounds, the game gets a lot easier.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 03, 2019, 05:28:16 pm
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MasterWalks - Similar voting with ddevans, pushed the Espi lynch which was then backed up by ddevans. I initially thought he was GN who investigated Espi on N0, but this was disproven by Coffee's info, which means he just gunned after Espi for no reason. Also blindly joins the moehrpi bandwagon.
Something i want to clear up here. I wanted to lynch dd more than anyone else last day phase. I said multiple times we shouldnt lynch moehrpi. I wanted to extend timer so he could rebuttal and defend himself. I would have taken a dd lynch over just about anyone else except espi.
Everything else you said stands.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 06:07:12 pm
I was not the first one to push the moe lynch. Read the chat logs. Read my posts. Even read link's posts. This is false.
Anyone who continues to perpetuate this lie will get my vote.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 06:11:56 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 03, 2019, 07:17:31 pm
[18:32:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Help! I'm trapped in a universe factory!
[18:42:49] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@immortal_feud› ‹@Calindu› are you curious about rrs reads too?
[18:43:25] ‹kaempfer13› espi I couldnt ping you bc youhave neither logged nor said anything in a while
[18:45:38] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› You don't need the weird brackets, and can even just target someone else and replace their name with the person you want to ping if you want them :silly:
[18:46:20] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› ‹@Zanzarino›
[18:46:45] ‹kaempfer13› yh I know but was too lazy
[18:48:06] ‹kaempfer13› and besides mw thinks espi is mafia anyway and rr is infallible so he knows hes just going to see a full list of his team :silly:
[18:49:19] ‹MasterWalks› I'm kinda sus of root so his reads will be interesting
[18:51:24] ‹kaempfer13› who will be there for nightdeadline?
[18:51:37] ‹kaempfer13› ofc its not really crucial to bearoud for that like it is during the day, just curious
[18:54:12] ‹kaempfer13› [18:48:05] MasterWalks joined. [18:48:06] ‹kaempfer13› and besides mw thinks espi is mafia anyway and rr is infallible so he knows hes just going to see a full list of his team :silly:
[18:54:18] ‹kaempfer13› dat summoning doe
[18:56:39] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you should probably lynch me
[18:56:51] ‹shockcannon› Any town who’s tunneling on me won’t stop until I die
[18:57:15] ‹shockcannon› So just get it over with and hope you can get 4 straight mafia after that in the lynch or die scenario
[18:58:32] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› ill actively support linkcat in trying to push for the real culprits
[18:58:55] ‹kaempfer13› gotta start focussing on someone else early during the day
[18:59:10] ‹shockcannon› but The issue is if root is town
[18:59:37] ‹shockcannon› If root is actually town, then ironically he’s the one acting as a distraction for town by tunneling me so hard and never looking into anyone else
[19:00:01] ‹shockcannon› For him, any other option is just worse than me even if they are suspicious
[19:00:10] ‹shockcannon› So that’s 1 town vote we’ve already lost
[19:01:22] ‹shockcannon› Also at this point I’m starting to think that all 4 mafia are active players
[19:01:26] ‹kaempfer13› with only 1 misslynch tolerable we gotta get a move on
[19:01:39] ‹kaempfer13› lets see what his other reads are first
[19:02:08] ‹shockcannon› I would advise against a mathman lynch next day phase
[19:02:09] ‹kaempfer13› hopefully hes already writing it, the suspense is killing me
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› Same with ginyu.
[19:03:12] ‹shockcannon› You know, I will acknowledge that my play may have hurt town quite a bit
[19:03:19] ‹shockcannon› But inactivity really hurts town as well
[19:03:34] ‹shockcannon› You can be active in discussion without giving away that you have a powerful role
[19:03:58] ‹shockcannon› Being GA or GN or graboid doesn’t mean you have to sit back and never talk
[19:04:01] ‹kaempfer13› yh
[19:04:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Between love and madness lies this post.
[19:10:29] ‹MasterWalks› Wow
[19:10:38] ‹MasterWalks› Those are some backwards reads
[19:13:37] ‹kaempfer13› other than shock they are not too bad and hes clearly got his reason for that one
[19:13:56] ‹kaempfer13› somehow i doubt both link and dd are mafia though
[19:14:18] ‹kaempfer13› i wonder how his read changes when one dies
[19:21:40] ‹kaempfer13› welp, overall he didnt change my opinion of anyone
[19:23:07] ‹Calindu› Solid list overall, some small things I'd change, but I agree with most of it
[19:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[19:30:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. I found Waldo.
[19:30:57] ‹MasterWalks› I say we lynch dd or link next. Root makes a really good point on them I must say. dd to me is more sus but Link is immaterial. Id actually lean more to a link lynch
[19:37:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› can you link me to links post where he argues untargetability (exception: nk) is good for town?
[19:39:34] ‹MasterWalks› Where Link argues it? I dont remember anyone arguing immaterial is good
[19:40:54] ‹kaempfer13› link thanked for it
[19:43:34] ‹kaempfer13› damn gotta look through chatlogs i guess
[19:51:14] ‹Ginyu› He was being sarcastic.
[19:51:23] ‹Ginyu› ‹@kaempfer13›
[19:52:45] ‹MasterWalks› We should also ignore Link and DD in a similar way we ignored shock. I really do think they are orchestrating
[19:52:58] ‹MasterWalks› O R E C H E S T R A T E
[19:53:13] ‹MasterWalks› spelled it wrong but whatever
[19:53:45] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
(6d10) 4 + 3 + 7 + 5 + 1 + 4 = 24 ...
[19:54:32] ‹Calindu› I still have my firefly on Linkcat, I'd argue about lynching dd first
[19:56:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Ginyu› oh right, it wasa jab at dd
[19:57:26] ‹kaempfer13› in the vein of "thanks for targetting me and lying about it"
[19:57:38] ‹kaempfer13› really easy to missinterpret
[19:58:06] ‹kaempfer13› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[20:00:28] ‹Calindu› How confident are you guys that one of dd/Linkcat is mafia?
[20:00:49] ‹Calindu› Because if so, I might be able to provide more info by revealing Link's role
[20:01:59] ‹kaempfer13› I think exactly one of them is, even after what root said
[20:02:10] ‹kaempfer13› dont do it too hastily
[20:05:25] ‹iancudorinmarian›
(6d10) 5 + 5 + 1 + 5 + 9 + 10 = 35 ...
[20:07:06] ‹kaempfer13› then again his not getting how its a bad role sounds weird to me
[20:08:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. You got 30 minutes.
[20:12:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Better posts through research.
[20:12:34] ‹ddevans96› so we're ignoring shock for lying, right
[20:12:50] ‹ddevans96› can we also ignore
[20:13:01] ‹ddevans96› [checks list]
[20:13:12] ‹ddevans96› Link, kae, MW, Root
[20:13:15] ‹ddevans96› ty
[20:13:48] ‹MasterWalks› why kaempf?
[20:13:52] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› ?
[20:14:36] ‹ddevans96› post with incorrect facts. responded to it earlier
[20:15:38] ‹ddevans96› idk, least blatant/serious of the four
[20:15:46] ‹kaempfer13› as in me missunderstanding other posts or straightup lying?
[20:15:58] ‹kaempfer13› the former happened i think, I guess
[20:16:26] ‹ddevans96› I guess if it was a misunderstanding, that'd be different
[20:16:48] ‹kaempfer13› but thats not intentional and you should def point it out when it happens
[20:17:02] ‹ddevans96› I'll go back and look at it, this game's been such a blur honestly
[20:17:21] ‹kaempfer13› i dont think i even stated anything as a fact this mafia
[20:17:50] ‹moehrpi› As happens with all newly dead players I was suddenly enlightened and now know all mafia. Can town please get their game on and win already?
[20:17:53] ‹kaempfer13› except that i am new i guess
[20:18:16] ‹MasterWalks› If we are ignoring for lying, i shouldnt be in that list. If we are ignoring for being dumb and making accusations, then i should be in that list
[20:21:37] ‹ddevans96› eh
[20:22:17] ‹kaempfer13› honestly i dont remember any of them lying
[20:22:34] ‹ddevans96› Root and Link have in recent posts
[20:22:56] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› link pls
[20:23:09] ‹kaempfer13› as in to the posts
[20:23:27] ‹kaempfer13› well ask link to get it together when i find myself agreeing
[20:23:41] ‹ddevans96› I'm on phone, so look at the replies to Root I just made, and my last response to Link
[20:24:30] ‹ddevans96› he misrepresented the entire situation around the moe lynch
[20:25:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› he went purely by lynchlog i think
[20:26:20] ‹ddevans96› it had literally been said multiple times in the thread
[20:26:45] ‹ddevans96› no excuse. and Root's done similar earlier in the game
[20:27:10] ‹ddevans96› where he'd state as fact why I did something and it was wrong
[20:27:46] ‹ddevans96› pretty much all in chat though
[20:28:04] ‹ddevans96› one of them has to be mafia, pulling the strings
[20:28:25] ‹ddevans96› bc town is getting manipulated so hard
[20:28:52] ‹ddevans96› mostly at my expense, but in other situations too
[20:29:04] ‹iancudorinmarian›
(6d10) 5 + 3 + 10 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 23 ...
[20:29:08] ‹ddevans96› maybe it's both of them, idk
[20:30:12] ‹ddevans96› and that's why whatever misunderstandings you made can't be overlooked. It could be just that, or it could be what your mafia boss wants everyone to believe. still fuels doubt against me
[20:30:34] ‹kaempfer13› understandable oversimplifications/misinterpretations
[20:31:08] ‹ddevans96› they felt notable to me, otherwise I'd discard them. I'm sorry I don't remember specifics, I'll find the posts tonight
[20:31:48] ‹kaempfer13› i know for a fact that atleast one of us isnt mafia, but oh well, at this point i need more reads than just that
[20:32:21] ‹ddevans96› yeah, there's no way all four of you are mafia
[20:32:49] ‹moehrpi›
(3d14) 8 + 13 + 5 = 26 ...
[20:33:05] ‹ddevans96› it's not really a scumread, just more a commentary on how thoroughly mafia has controlled this game
[20:33:17] ‹kaempfer13› bc you are the other one :P
[20:33:20] ‹ddevans96› I can't trust anything at all right now
[20:33:30] ‹ddevans96› false
[20:33:32] ‹Mobian› Good afternoon
[20:33:51] ‹ddevans96› even if town loses, I'll be happy when I'm vindicated
[20:34:56] ‹ddevans96› winning the game is ideal, but it's not going to happen as long as people are convinced I'm a likely mafia, and there isn't much I can do about that
[20:35:22] ‹Mobian› I'm sold on shock and Link. MW is a potential, along with Espi
[20:35:26] ‹ddevans96› mafia might legitimately have a perfect game
[20:36:22] ‹ddevans96› but as long as we lynch Link, there's hope
[20:36:52] ‹Mobian› Shock first
[20:37:46] ‹ddevans96› Link is 90% mafia afaic. I'm going to push for that lynch
[20:38:19] ‹ddevans96› but I'm okay with lynching shock now
[20:38:30] ‹ddevans96› so I'll relent if it comes to that
[20:39:07] ‹ddevans96› honestly, I was okay with lynching him instead of moe, who I thought was town
[20:39:36] ‹ddevans96› but Link would have just said 'oh wow, he's hard defending his mafia buddy moe'
[20:39:48] ‹ddevans96› and it wouldn't have mattered lol
[20:39:48] ‹Mobian› Once he's down, I will help with Link
[20:39:50] ‹Calindu› I thought you didn't want to lynch shock at all
[20:40:02] ‹ddevans96› not at first
[20:40:24] ‹ddevans96› but I think Root might be right about Link and shock both being mafia
[20:40:44] ‹ddevans96› that's the only way though - if Link is town, shock is also town
[20:40:52] ‹Calindu› I'm ok with lynching any of my scumreads
[20:41:06] ‹ddevans96› granted, if Link is town, you'll lynch me and it won't matter
[20:41:57] ‹ddevans96› if Link is town, the correct lynch is Root, imo
[20:42:01] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I still consider one of you as mafia, the other one as town
[20:42:09] ‹ddevans96› one of them is the mastermind
[20:42:50] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's a popular opinion
[20:43:01] ‹Mobian› I disagree about the..... link... between Link and shock
[20:43:15] ‹ddevans96› the thing with popular opinions is that they're more likely to be fueled by mafia
[20:43:29] ‹ddevans96› not guaranteed, mind
[20:43:33] ‹ddevans96› but more likely
[20:43:50] ‹kaempfer13› if shock is mafias sacrificial lamb and link mafia i dont think linkcat would save him and risk being exposed for it
[20:44:03] ‹Mobian› I do believe both to be dirty, but I don't believe one flipping town excludes the other
[20:44:25] ‹ddevans96› he wouldn't be the sacrificial lamb
[20:44:50] ‹ddevans96› shock being town would not exclude Link being town imo. just one way
[20:45:10] ‹Mobian› If Link IS town, he's simply blinded by his massive shock broner
[20:45:44] ‹kaempfer13› mafia link would absolutely defend town shock so long as the alternative is another town
[20:45:47] ‹ddevans96› which is literally just 'he made a townie post'
[20:46:06] ‹ddevans96› which is literally what mafia wants to do
[20:46:30] ‹Mobian› And likely what happened D3
[20:46:37] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, what kae said
[20:46:42] ‹ddevans96› my opinion exactly
[20:47:23] ‹Mobian› They expertly deflected the lynch onto an inactive townie they KNEW would be absent
[20:48:11] ‹Mobian› When you and I chose math, Link scrambled to redirect there too. That's sus in my book
[20:48:52] ‹ddevans96› yeah, like I posted, I think that was a setup. illusion of choice
[20:49:17] ‹Mobian› They have a Psion. They KNEW he was GA
[20:51:59] ‹kaempfer13› meh a psion would probably have found gn by now
[20:52:06] ‹kaempfer13› ffq maybe
[18:42:49] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@immortal_feud› ‹@Calindu› are you curious about rrs reads too?
[18:43:25] ‹kaempfer13› espi I couldnt ping you bc youhave neither logged nor said anything in a while
[18:45:38] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› You don't need the weird brackets, and can even just target someone else and replace their name with the person you want to ping if you want them :silly:
[18:46:20] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› ‹@Zanzarino›
[18:46:45] ‹kaempfer13› yh I know but was too lazy
[18:48:06] ‹kaempfer13› and besides mw thinks espi is mafia anyway and rr is infallible so he knows hes just going to see a full list of his team :silly:
[18:49:19] ‹MasterWalks› I'm kinda sus of root so his reads will be interesting
[18:51:24] ‹kaempfer13› who will be there for nightdeadline?
[18:51:37] ‹kaempfer13› ofc its not really crucial to bearoud for that like it is during the day, just curious
[18:54:12] ‹kaempfer13› [18:48:05] MasterWalks joined. [18:48:06] ‹kaempfer13› and besides mw thinks espi is mafia anyway and rr is infallible so he knows hes just going to see a full list of his team :silly:
[18:54:18] ‹kaempfer13› dat summoning doe
[18:56:39] ‹shockcannon› ‹@kaempfer13› you should probably lynch me
[18:56:51] ‹shockcannon› Any town who’s tunneling on me won’t stop until I die
[18:57:15] ‹shockcannon› So just get it over with and hope you can get 4 straight mafia after that in the lynch or die scenario
[18:58:32] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@shockcannon› ill actively support linkcat in trying to push for the real culprits
[18:58:55] ‹kaempfer13› gotta start focussing on someone else early during the day
[18:59:10] ‹shockcannon› but The issue is if root is town
[18:59:37] ‹shockcannon› If root is actually town, then ironically he’s the one acting as a distraction for town by tunneling me so hard and never looking into anyone else
[19:00:01] ‹shockcannon› For him, any other option is just worse than me even if they are suspicious
[19:00:10] ‹shockcannon› So that’s 1 town vote we’ve already lost
[19:01:22] ‹shockcannon› Also at this point I’m starting to think that all 4 mafia are active players
[19:01:26] ‹kaempfer13› with only 1 misslynch tolerable we gotta get a move on
[19:01:39] ‹kaempfer13› lets see what his other reads are first
[19:02:08] ‹shockcannon› I would advise against a mathman lynch next day phase
[19:02:09] ‹kaempfer13› hopefully hes already writing it, the suspense is killing me
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› Same with ginyu.
[19:03:12] ‹shockcannon› You know, I will acknowledge that my play may have hurt town quite a bit
[19:03:19] ‹shockcannon› But inactivity really hurts town as well
[19:03:34] ‹shockcannon› You can be active in discussion without giving away that you have a powerful role
[19:03:58] ‹shockcannon› Being GA or GN or graboid doesn’t mean you have to sit back and never talk
[19:04:01] ‹kaempfer13› yh
[19:04:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Between love and madness lies this post.
[19:10:29] ‹MasterWalks› Wow
[19:10:38] ‹MasterWalks› Those are some backwards reads
[19:13:37] ‹kaempfer13› other than shock they are not too bad and hes clearly got his reason for that one
[19:13:56] ‹kaempfer13› somehow i doubt both link and dd are mafia though
[19:14:18] ‹kaempfer13› i wonder how his read changes when one dies
[19:21:40] ‹kaempfer13› welp, overall he didnt change my opinion of anyone
[19:23:07] ‹Calindu› Solid list overall, some small things I'd change, but I agree with most of it
[19:24:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from RootRanger in Forum Games. Do you even post?
[19:30:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from MasterWalks in Forum Games. I found Waldo.
[19:30:57] ‹MasterWalks› I say we lynch dd or link next. Root makes a really good point on them I must say. dd to me is more sus but Link is immaterial. Id actually lean more to a link lynch
[19:37:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@MasterWalks› can you link me to links post where he argues untargetability (exception: nk) is good for town?
[19:39:34] ‹MasterWalks› Where Link argues it? I dont remember anyone arguing immaterial is good
[19:40:54] ‹kaempfer13› link thanked for it
[19:43:34] ‹kaempfer13› damn gotta look through chatlogs i guess
[19:51:14] ‹Ginyu› He was being sarcastic.
[19:51:23] ‹Ginyu› ‹@kaempfer13›
[19:52:45] ‹MasterWalks› We should also ignore Link and DD in a similar way we ignored shock. I really do think they are orchestrating
[19:52:58] ‹MasterWalks› O R E C H E S T R A T E
[19:53:13] ‹MasterWalks› spelled it wrong but whatever
[19:53:45] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b›
(6d10) 4 + 3 + 7 + 5 + 1 + 4 = 24 ...
[19:54:32] ‹Calindu› I still have my firefly on Linkcat, I'd argue about lynching dd first
[19:56:47] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@Ginyu› oh right, it wasa jab at dd
[19:57:26] ‹kaempfer13› in the vein of "thanks for targetting me and lying about it"
[19:57:38] ‹kaempfer13› really easy to missinterpret
[19:58:06] ‹kaempfer13› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[20:00:28] ‹Calindu› How confident are you guys that one of dd/Linkcat is mafia?
[20:00:49] ‹Calindu› Because if so, I might be able to provide more info by revealing Link's role
[20:01:59] ‹kaempfer13› I think exactly one of them is, even after what root said
[20:02:10] ‹kaempfer13› dont do it too hastily
[20:05:25] ‹iancudorinmarian›
(6d10) 5 + 5 + 1 + 5 + 9 + 10 = 35 ...
[20:07:06] ‹kaempfer13› then again his not getting how its a bad role sounds weird to me
[20:08:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. You got 30 minutes.
[20:12:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Better posts through research.
[20:12:34] ‹ddevans96› so we're ignoring shock for lying, right
[20:12:50] ‹ddevans96› can we also ignore
[20:13:01] ‹ddevans96› [checks list]
[20:13:12] ‹ddevans96› Link, kae, MW, Root
[20:13:15] ‹ddevans96› ty
[20:13:48] ‹MasterWalks› why kaempf?
[20:13:52] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› ?
[20:14:36] ‹ddevans96› post with incorrect facts. responded to it earlier
[20:15:38] ‹ddevans96› idk, least blatant/serious of the four
[20:15:46] ‹kaempfer13› as in me missunderstanding other posts or straightup lying?
[20:15:58] ‹kaempfer13› the former happened i think, I guess
[20:16:26] ‹ddevans96› I guess if it was a misunderstanding, that'd be different
[20:16:48] ‹kaempfer13› but thats not intentional and you should def point it out when it happens
[20:17:02] ‹ddevans96› I'll go back and look at it, this game's been such a blur honestly
[20:17:21] ‹kaempfer13› i dont think i even stated anything as a fact this mafia
[20:17:50] ‹moehrpi› As happens with all newly dead players I was suddenly enlightened and now know all mafia. Can town please get their game on and win already?
[20:17:53] ‹kaempfer13› except that i am new i guess
[20:18:16] ‹MasterWalks› If we are ignoring for lying, i shouldnt be in that list. If we are ignoring for being dumb and making accusations, then i should be in that list
[20:21:37] ‹ddevans96› eh
[20:22:17] ‹kaempfer13› honestly i dont remember any of them lying
[20:22:34] ‹ddevans96› Root and Link have in recent posts
[20:22:56] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› link pls
[20:23:09] ‹kaempfer13› as in to the posts
[20:23:27] ‹kaempfer13› well ask link to get it together when i find myself agreeing
[20:23:41] ‹ddevans96› I'm on phone, so look at the replies to Root I just made, and my last response to Link
[20:24:30] ‹ddevans96› he misrepresented the entire situation around the moe lynch
[20:25:50] ‹kaempfer13› ‹@ddevans96› he went purely by lynchlog i think
[20:26:20] ‹ddevans96› it had literally been said multiple times in the thread
[20:26:45] ‹ddevans96› no excuse. and Root's done similar earlier in the game
[20:27:10] ‹ddevans96› where he'd state as fact why I did something and it was wrong
[20:27:46] ‹ddevans96› pretty much all in chat though
[20:28:04] ‹ddevans96› one of them has to be mafia, pulling the strings
[20:28:25] ‹ddevans96› bc town is getting manipulated so hard
[20:28:52] ‹ddevans96› mostly at my expense, but in other situations too
[20:29:04] ‹iancudorinmarian›
(6d10) 5 + 3 + 10 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 23 ...
[20:29:08] ‹ddevans96› maybe it's both of them, idk
[20:30:12] ‹ddevans96› and that's why whatever misunderstandings you made can't be overlooked. It could be just that, or it could be what your mafia boss wants everyone to believe. still fuels doubt against me
[20:30:34] ‹kaempfer13› understandable oversimplifications/misinterpretations
[20:31:08] ‹ddevans96› they felt notable to me, otherwise I'd discard them. I'm sorry I don't remember specifics, I'll find the posts tonight
[20:31:48] ‹kaempfer13› i know for a fact that atleast one of us isnt mafia, but oh well, at this point i need more reads than just that
[20:32:21] ‹ddevans96› yeah, there's no way all four of you are mafia
[20:32:49] ‹moehrpi›
(3d14) 8 + 13 + 5 = 26 ...
[20:33:05] ‹ddevans96› it's not really a scumread, just more a commentary on how thoroughly mafia has controlled this game
[20:33:17] ‹kaempfer13› bc you are the other one :P
[20:33:20] ‹ddevans96› I can't trust anything at all right now
[20:33:30] ‹ddevans96› false
[20:33:32] ‹Mobian› Good afternoon
[20:33:51] ‹ddevans96› even if town loses, I'll be happy when I'm vindicated
[20:34:56] ‹ddevans96› winning the game is ideal, but it's not going to happen as long as people are convinced I'm a likely mafia, and there isn't much I can do about that
[20:35:22] ‹Mobian› I'm sold on shock and Link. MW is a potential, along with Espi
[20:35:26] ‹ddevans96› mafia might legitimately have a perfect game
[20:36:22] ‹ddevans96› but as long as we lynch Link, there's hope
[20:36:52] ‹Mobian› Shock first
[20:37:46] ‹ddevans96› Link is 90% mafia afaic. I'm going to push for that lynch
[20:38:19] ‹ddevans96› but I'm okay with lynching shock now
[20:38:30] ‹ddevans96› so I'll relent if it comes to that
[20:39:07] ‹ddevans96› honestly, I was okay with lynching him instead of moe, who I thought was town
[20:39:36] ‹ddevans96› but Link would have just said 'oh wow, he's hard defending his mafia buddy moe'
[20:39:48] ‹ddevans96› and it wouldn't have mattered lol
[20:39:48] ‹Mobian› Once he's down, I will help with Link
[20:39:50] ‹Calindu› I thought you didn't want to lynch shock at all
[20:40:02] ‹ddevans96› not at first
[20:40:24] ‹ddevans96› but I think Root might be right about Link and shock both being mafia
[20:40:44] ‹ddevans96› that's the only way though - if Link is town, shock is also town
[20:40:52] ‹Calindu› I'm ok with lynching any of my scumreads
[20:41:06] ‹ddevans96› granted, if Link is town, you'll lynch me and it won't matter
[20:41:57] ‹ddevans96› if Link is town, the correct lynch is Root, imo
[20:42:01] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I still consider one of you as mafia, the other one as town
[20:42:09] ‹ddevans96› one of them is the mastermind
[20:42:50] ‹ddevans96› yeah, that's a popular opinion
[20:43:01] ‹Mobian› I disagree about the..... link... between Link and shock
[20:43:15] ‹ddevans96› the thing with popular opinions is that they're more likely to be fueled by mafia
[20:43:29] ‹ddevans96› not guaranteed, mind
[20:43:33] ‹ddevans96› but more likely
[20:43:50] ‹kaempfer13› if shock is mafias sacrificial lamb and link mafia i dont think linkcat would save him and risk being exposed for it
[20:44:03] ‹Mobian› I do believe both to be dirty, but I don't believe one flipping town excludes the other
[20:44:25] ‹ddevans96› he wouldn't be the sacrificial lamb
[20:44:50] ‹ddevans96› shock being town would not exclude Link being town imo. just one way
[20:45:10] ‹Mobian› If Link IS town, he's simply blinded by his massive shock broner
[20:45:44] ‹kaempfer13› mafia link would absolutely defend town shock so long as the alternative is another town
[20:45:47] ‹ddevans96› which is literally just 'he made a townie post'
[20:46:06] ‹ddevans96› which is literally what mafia wants to do
[20:46:30] ‹Mobian› And likely what happened D3
[20:46:37] ‹ddevans96› and yeah, what kae said
[20:46:42] ‹ddevans96› my opinion exactly
[20:47:23] ‹Mobian› They expertly deflected the lynch onto an inactive townie they KNEW would be absent
[20:48:11] ‹Mobian› When you and I chose math, Link scrambled to redirect there too. That's sus in my book
[20:48:52] ‹ddevans96› yeah, like I posted, I think that was a setup. illusion of choice
[20:49:17] ‹Mobian› They have a Psion. They KNEW he was GA
[20:51:59] ‹kaempfer13› meh a psion would probably have found gn by now
[20:52:06] ‹kaempfer13› ffq maybe
tl;dr: Hype for rrs reads. Turns out they are about as expected from root.
Some people are called into question, focus on linkcat (immaterial thanks (sarcasm?), dd interpretation, shock defense), ddevans96, root
dd thinks Link, kae, MW, Root and shock misconstrued things (yh thats me in there, make of it what you will)
Mobian giving lynch preferences (shock, link, mw, espi)
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 07:25:47 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 03, 2019, 07:27:08 pm
I will say this exactly one more time, in response to Root.
I was not the first one to push the moe lynch. Read the chat logs. Read my posts. Even read link's posts. This is false.
Anyone who continues to perpetuate this lie will get my vote.
Also - at no point have I said anything remotely resembling 'shock is too chaotic to be mafia'. This is not my opinion. You are, and not for the first time this game, putting words in my mouth.
So I missed a few small details. All the same, you still supported the moe lynch instead of shock, which was clearly the better target.
My central points, relating to your defense of shock and Linkcat's immaterial status, still stand.
I've provided a realistic list of 4 people who are mafia. Who do you think they are?
Post by: MasterWalks on June 03, 2019, 07:59:30 pm
I am Golden Nymph
I targeted Espithel N0. He is Mafia
I targeted Kaempfer13 N3. He is Town
the coffee block was on a fate egg GN.
Sorry...
Post by: RootRanger on June 03, 2019, 08:02:24 pm
Otherwise, I'd be inclined to believe MW and lynch Espi. Seems like an easy choice.
Post by: mathman101 on June 03, 2019, 08:04:22 pm
Alright. I know we said 3 targets until GN reveal. But we haven't lynched a single mafia and its getting to lynch or die.
I am Golden Nymph
I targeted Espithel N0. He is Mafia
I targeted Kaempfer13 N3. He is Town
the coffee block was on a fate egg GN.
Sorry...
I feel like this should have waited until the start of day phase rather then during the night when mafia can still switch NK targets.
If there is another angel, someone should be protecting him if this is true.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 03, 2019, 08:11:52 pm
Alright. I know we said 3 targets until GN reveal. But we haven't lynched a single mafia and its getting to lynch or die.
I am Golden Nymph
I targeted Espithel N0. He is Mafia
I targeted Kaempfer13 N3. He is Town
the coffee block was on a fate egg GN.
Sorry...
I feel like this should have waited until the start of day phase rather then during the night when mafia can still switch NK targets.
If there is another angel, someone should be protecting him if this is true.
First off, angel should target kaempf, i cant be protected.
Secondly, no. It makes no difference if i revealed tonight or next day phase. If i revealed this night, i get all my info out and dont risk being NK'd without letting people know kaempf is town. (You guys probably wouldve lynched espi if i was revealed GN at NK). I cant use ability tonight so cant gather anymore info. they can kill me tonight or next night, it doesnt matter. But i will die on one of those nights
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 03, 2019, 08:19:31 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(Espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(Espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Post by: Espithel on June 03, 2019, 08:34:00 pm
Alright. I know we said 3 targets until GN reveal. But we haven't lynched a single mafia and its getting to lynch or die.
I am Golden Nymph
I targeted Espithel N0. He is Mafia
I targeted Kaempfer13 N3. He is Town
the coffee block was on a fate egg GN.
Sorry...
Finally, you admit what was obvious from day one.
That took you far too long.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 03, 2019, 08:42:06 pm
Alright. I know we said 3 targets until GN reveal. But we haven't lynched a single mafia and its getting to lynch or die.
I am Golden Nymph
I targeted Espithel N0. He is Mafia
I targeted Kaempfer13 N3. He is Town
the coffee block was on a fate egg GN.
Sorry...
Typo. I targeted kaempf N2 not N3
Post by: Espithel on June 03, 2019, 09:18:19 pm
I'm basically the Mafia's mastermind. Ask Me Anything you're interested in about how we've played the game.
Provided I'm not directly throwing the game, I promise to answer everything truthfully. That's my playstyle - To never lie, and to always state cold, hard facts.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 09:31:07 pm
People getting small details wrong is why I had to defend myself for two rounds, and why moe got lynched. In other words, it's why town is losing this game. People are overlooking things too much for it to be coincidence. Mafia realizes town is frantic and confused and is actively contributing to it.
To be clear - I'm not blaming or scumreading anyone for missing things. That would be dumb, as I've also done it this game. But I do think some members of mafia are mindful of things they've pretended not to be (moe being unavailable for the deadline, for instance) in order to force town to wade through more questions before coming to a conclusion. I think the iancu and moe lynches were their plans, ultimately.
I targeted myself last night, as shock and Cal, two of my bigger town reads at the time, recommended. Anyone is willing to target me this night and see what result they get.
I supported the moe lynch over shock because, by this time, I had realized what Link's play could be. If I moved train to shock, who I supported all game, he would portray it as me defending moe, my 'mafia buddy', and just serve to make me look more suspicious, and potentially lynched. Since I'm the only one I know for sure is town, I decided to take the bait.
If you're wondering, by that time, I no longer had a strong town read on shock.
I think the mafia contains, Link, Espi, math, and an active player. I would guess shock right now - your scenario of them both being mafia makes sense, even with me being town.
If Link is not mafia, I think you are. You're the only other one I could see having such a grand plan of town manipulation and being able to execute it. But I'm very sure it's Link. I think Espi would have ultimately died d1 if not for Link's push on me.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 03, 2019, 09:34:15 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 03, 2019, 10:10:38 pm
My thanks to dd for immortality was sincere, I really thought he targeted me, and yes, it's a good role.
[12:44:16] ‹Calindu› There are enough people that want to push a lynch on one of dd/Link/shock, can we actually force one and disregard their attempts to lynch another afk?
I tried to do this yesterday but couldn't get the votes. I have never wanted to lynch an afk, since it doesn't really help us.
Confirm I am FFQ. Targeted dd Night 0 since I thought he would be the most popular target. I was wrong. Targeted iancu Night 1 since I thought he would be the most popular target. Wrong again. Targeted kaempfer Night 2 because he was my scumread and I wanted to see what was going on with him. Saw Precog and assumed he was GN. I made up a reason to change my read on him and this is why when dd asked me about my read flip(s) I just said "I have my reasons." I thought kaempfer picked up on this when he said in chat that he found a reason I could be town but it was really flimsy. Now that we know he's not GN, I don't know what he was referring to there.
MW being GN is pure lol. I'll have to look back through Day 1 to see how Espi being mafia changes things.
Ignore everything Espi says, obviously.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 03, 2019, 10:17:22 pm
2. Linkcat - ffq n
5. immortal feud - n
6. kaempfer13 - yes
7. ddevans96 - Anubis n
9. InsignificantWeeaboo - Warden v
10. Espithel - green n apparently vv (just kidding, we'll get at least one after all)
11. MasterWalks - gn yes
12. Mobian - Amber Nymph v
14. mathman101 - n
15. RootRanger - n
16. shockcannon - Mind flayer - Dubious v
17. Ginyu - n
18. Calindu - FFQ vv
shock and mobian are highly debatable. I argue they are just terrible at the game
With GN claimed the only roles worth protecting are crusader and vulture.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
(in order)
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (1) - kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - moehrpi
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(1) - Calindu
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon(2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Espithel
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, ddevans96, Linkcat
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo,
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13(1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (3) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, iancudorinmarian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (4) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (5) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (5) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian, shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (1) - mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (6) - moehrpi, RootRanger, ddevans96, iancudorinmarian, Espithel, MasterWalks
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Mobian
moehrpi (1) - shockcannon
(late and didnt matter, but could be breadcrumb, but its shock)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (1) - Calindu
(in order)
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
ddevans96 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
immortal feud (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (1) - Espithel
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - ddevans96, dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (2) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, shockcannon, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96, shockcannon
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, ddevans96
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, shockcannon, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101, Calindu
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
RootRanger (1) - moehrpi
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13, shockcannon
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks,
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, ddevans96, MasterWalks
no lynch(1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, Calindu, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (4) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (5) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, moehrpi, ddevans96
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (6) - Espithel, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(Espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target Linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
(Espithels vote being newest, right after fake gn reveal)
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
(cal claiming)
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, MasterWalks
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
(dd did not target Linkcat with role and attacked him in confusion)
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat, Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Mobian
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, RootRanger
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
mathman101 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, shockcannon
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Coffeeditto
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (3) - Linkcat, MasterWalks, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Mobian (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (6) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian, shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - MasterWalks
moehrpi (3) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (4) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (5) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (1) - Espithel
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
shockcannon (4) - RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
Mobian (2) - Espithel, Calindu
moehrpi (6) - ddevans96, shockcannon, Linkcat, MasterWalks, kaempfer13, immortal feud
(cal avoiding no lynch)
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 03, 2019, 10:21:15 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 03, 2019, 10:37:14 pm
[03:34:57 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› It's a pad.
[3:35:03 PM] shockcannon left.
[03:35:00 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› Discord sucks.
[03:35:11 PM] ‹MasterWalks› Okay I'll be there soon
[03:35:34 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› It's a wonderful place.
[03:35:42 PM] ‹Calindu› We never had a dead towns pad before, or at least I don't remember
[03:35:54 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian›
(6d10) 6 + 1 + 8 + 1 + 5 + 3 = 24 ...
[03:35:58 PM] ‹Calindu› @Espithel: NK me please, I wanna see the pad
[3:36:03 PM] Mobian left.
[03:36:10 PM] ‹iancudorinmarian› lol
[03:36:18 PM] ‹Espithel› ‹@Calindu› No. :^)
this is the only chatlog that matters /s
Post by: Ginyu on June 04, 2019, 02:06:48 am
Knowing that Espithel is mafia, his attack on Mobian is a lot less viable now. Although most of his points still stand, the fact that he made his post only 10 hours prior to the lynch while shockcannon was about to get lynched, makes me think he was simply trying to save his comrade in exchange for any town who seemed to be easy prey. I know bussing and all the likes exist, but I do not think this is what we have here - at this stage of the game, such gambits simply are not necessary for mafia. He didn't mind people going for moehrpi instead because that still achieved his goal of saving shock. I don't know why Espithel confessed immediately without trying to counterclaim, but I guess we should take whatever we are given.
I consider Mobian to be "likely town" and shock moves from "bad town, maybe mafia" to "likely mafia".
ddevans not voting for Mobian while being threatened by Espithel makes sense. Targeting moehrpi is still weird, not just from dd but in general. However, I do wonder how dd is so sure of shock being town that he prefers voting on inactive people, either led by himself or blindly following someone else, especially as he was not pressured that day.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 02:44:42 am
Targeting moehrpi is still weird, not just from dd but in general. However, I do wonder how dd is so sure of shock being town that he prefers voting on inactive people, either led by himself or blindly following someone else, especially as he was not pressured that day.
I supported the moe lynch over shock because, by this time, I had realized what Link's play could be. If I moved train to shock, who I supported all game, he would portray it as me defending moe, my 'mafia buddy', and just serve to make me look more suspicious, and potentially lynched. Since I'm the only one I know for sure is town, I decided to take the bait.
If you're wondering, by that time, I no longer had a strong town read on shock.
I did indeed feel pressured, as I was still a viable lynch candidate under discussion. As far as I'm concerned, all three lynches have been done to save myself, but not the specific targets - I gave others a choice for the first one, was largely ignored for the second (I preferred IW), and did not feel like I was given a fair choice for the third (Espi threatened to lynch me if I attempted to lynch Mobian, and the above for shock)
Additionally, I did not consider moe inactive. He was one of my stronger town reads at that time. Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1290268/#msg1290268) was my reads list from about 16 hours prior - in the intervening time, moe would have moved up a tier.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 03:05:24 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 04, 2019, 07:38:06 am
Post by: Submachine on June 04, 2019, 08:14:41 am
It does not matter who posts the chat log as long as it's posted by the end of the phase.
Post by: immortal feud on June 04, 2019, 09:12:29 am
[19:04:47] ‹shockcannon› i have a feeling he will
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 04, 2019, 02:03:21 pm
Things to consider: Linkcat targeted dd r1 who supposedly didnt use his ability and yet found it save to announce to everyone, that at least one ffq is around. It makes no sense for both to be mafia. In fact i consider it possible both are town after all.
Espithel was considered a walking corpse by Mafia immediately, so him bussing dd doesnt make sense from the original purpose of bussing as it wont clear his name if it succeeds, which it almost did ( some Wifom applies).
I feel like Linlcats reactions were genuine too.
Meanwhile RootRanger follows a strategy that just cant workout for town with so many people having gone rogue. In fact nearly all of my townreads come from plays that are bad for town, but simply make no sense for mafia at all (not even on layers of wifom).
With only 1 lynch away from Lylo, Espithel pushing for Mobian lynch (before having his identity revealed) pretty much confirms Mobian as Town.
Conversely however, mafia protecting town shockcannon makes perfect sense, as he will always attract our attention and be a major burden to us. If it were round 1 I might approve of lynching him for that alone, but we are at the endstage now. I have decent interaction history with him and his dissappointment with the result of his gambit is genuine. Hes town, believe me. The worst one ever, but at this point you need his headcount more than a stop to his habits.
As for the people in yellow in my other post you are likely mafia, but if you trust my judgement and are town you are but one or 2 steps away from solving this Puzzle. Ofc everyone should take what you say with a grain of salt.
Mws townread on me ofc basically killed me, so if I saw any sense in a role reveal Id do it, unfortunately I have gained no information from it that you wouldnt have. So theres no point. At least we wont lose an important role tonight and/or im still around.
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 02:28:59 pm
:^)
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 04, 2019, 02:52:48 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 04, 2019, 02:55:22 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 05:59:25 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 04, 2019, 06:00:40 pm
Day 4
Kaempfer13 died. He was an Elemental and an Otyugh.
I would like to call attention to a post I made earlier. It is not a new rule, more like a result of people disobeying the rules that exist since Night 0.
Here's the deal. From now on, if I see any unposted chat log about mafia, I will modkill all players involved in that chat log at the end of the phase.
It does not matter who posts the chat log as long as it's posted by the end of the phase.
From game rules:
"9. [...] You may communicate in the official Elements chat, but all relevant messages MUST be posted in this thread."
From general mafia rules:
"Breaking any of the [...] rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host"
Not everyone could see this post in time, so it's only taking effect from this phase.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/47432230/i-am-a-generous-god.jpg)
Day 4 has ended.
Edit 1 (June 5th): Cut down the timer by one day.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 06:02:47 pm
Also another Oty, wtf
Post by: MasterWalks on June 04, 2019, 06:03:38 pm
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Post by: Mobian on June 04, 2019, 06:05:35 pm
Do I really need to validate?
Post by: Ginyu on June 04, 2019, 06:05:42 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 06:07:28 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 04, 2019, 06:08:44 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 04, 2019, 06:21:16 pm
Put my vote on Espi. Also helping.
Post by: Linkcat on June 04, 2019, 06:23:10 pm
Mafia might try to NK a big player tonight, to try to force a mislynch on their connections. Be extremely wary of this.
Or you could see that kaempfer was catching on, then kill him and frame it this way so people ignore what he said.
Post by: Submachine on June 04, 2019, 06:23:28 pm
Post by: MasterWalks on June 04, 2019, 06:27:29 pm
[10:58:46] ‹Linkcat› ‹@Submachine› Deadline?
[10:59:06] ‹Submachine› Coming.
[10:59:14] ‹Submachine› One more minute.
[11:00:18] ‹Submachine› Oh, dd sneaking in a post.
[11:00:39] ‹ddevans96› *giggles playfully*
[11:00:48] ‹ddevans96› me? never
[11:01:36] ‹Calindu› Oh, kae as Otyugh, I guess the ability got blocked
[11:02:02] ‹MasterWalks› uh
[11:02:04] ‹Linkcat› Must have been.
[11:02:06] ‹MasterWalks› this is a big deal
[11:02:17] ‹Linkcat› No reason he wouldn't use it.
[11:02:55] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I remember we discussed Otyugh targeting Espithel if possible
[11:03:43] ‹Mobian› Did you learn anything useful, Cali?
[11:04:07] ‹Calindu› Waiting for my PM
[11:04:35] ‹Submachine› PMs are slowly arriving.
[11:08:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Nothing I didn't expect
[11:08:53] ‹ddevans96› so you expected something useful and got something useful?
[11:09:02] ‹Calindu› So I guess we lynch Espithel and then try to find more info
[11:09:19] ‹Calindu› I expected to see Linkcat use Queen, and that's all I got
[11:09:32] ‹Calindu› The last night firefly got caught
[11:09:48] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay
[11:09:56] ‹Calindu› Not sure if I should reveal my target last night
[11:10:51] ‹Mobian› Who has yet to role reveal?
[11:11:51] ‹Calindu› Immortal Feud, Root, Mathman, Ginyu
[11:11:56] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› Ginyu, Root, Math, immortal,
[11:12:10] ‹MasterWalks› Ninja cal
[11:12:13] ‹Calindu› I have sent a firefly to 2 of them and didn't get anything
[11:13:44] ‹MasterWalks› what if insig blocked kaempf
[11:13:55] ‹Mobian› MW's a dead man walking... but on the off chance you survive the next night, who would you nymph next?
[11:14:17] ‹MasterWalks› Ginyu
All private messages are sent. (Submachine)
[11:14:33] ‹MasterWalks› but if i survive i will be blocked
[11:14:42] ‹Calindu› There are a couple of people that could have blocked kaempf I think, IW, shock, maybe another blocker
[11:15:18] ‹Mobian› I got your back. Momentum will see you through
[11:15:37] ‹Calindu› Yeah, thanks for that, but I still can't see a mind flayer
[11:16:03] ‹Mobian› Was meant for MW
[11:16:14] ‹Calindu› Wait, what
[11:16:19] ‹Calindu› I got Momentum too
[11:16:38] ‹Mobian› Talking about next night
[11:16:57] ‹Mobian› I buffed you last night, Cali
[11:17:03] ‹Calindu› Oh, I got confused for a while
[11:18:03] ‹Mobian› DD, give me immaterial next night, please?
[11:18:24] ‹MasterWalks› One of us 3 will be killed if i had to guess
[11:19:01] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› it's a given
[11:23:58] ‹ddevans96› yeah, probably
[10:59:06] ‹Submachine› Coming.
[10:59:14] ‹Submachine› One more minute.
[11:00:18] ‹Submachine› Oh, dd sneaking in a post.
[11:00:39] ‹ddevans96› *giggles playfully*
[11:00:48] ‹ddevans96› me? never
[11:01:36] ‹Calindu› Oh, kae as Otyugh, I guess the ability got blocked
[11:02:02] ‹MasterWalks› uh
[11:02:04] ‹Linkcat› Must have been.
[11:02:06] ‹MasterWalks› this is a big deal
[11:02:17] ‹Linkcat› No reason he wouldn't use it.
[11:02:55] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I remember we discussed Otyugh targeting Espithel if possible
[11:03:43] ‹Mobian› Did you learn anything useful, Cali?
[11:04:07] ‹Calindu› Waiting for my PM
[11:04:35] ‹Submachine› PMs are slowly arriving.
[11:08:16] ‹Calindu› ‹@Mobian› Nothing I didn't expect
[11:08:53] ‹ddevans96› so you expected something useful and got something useful?
[11:09:02] ‹Calindu› So I guess we lynch Espithel and then try to find more info
[11:09:19] ‹Calindu› I expected to see Linkcat use Queen, and that's all I got
[11:09:32] ‹Calindu› The last night firefly got caught
[11:09:48] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay
[11:09:56] ‹Calindu› Not sure if I should reveal my target last night
[11:10:51] ‹Mobian› Who has yet to role reveal?
[11:11:51] ‹Calindu› Immortal Feud, Root, Mathman, Ginyu
[11:11:56] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› Ginyu, Root, Math, immortal,
[11:12:10] ‹MasterWalks› Ninja cal
[11:12:13] ‹Calindu› I have sent a firefly to 2 of them and didn't get anything
[11:13:44] ‹MasterWalks› what if insig blocked kaempf
[11:13:55] ‹Mobian› MW's a dead man walking... but on the off chance you survive the next night, who would you nymph next?
[11:14:17] ‹MasterWalks› Ginyu
All private messages are sent. (Submachine)
[11:14:33] ‹MasterWalks› but if i survive i will be blocked
[11:14:42] ‹Calindu› There are a couple of people that could have blocked kaempf I think, IW, shock, maybe another blocker
[11:15:18] ‹Mobian› I got your back. Momentum will see you through
[11:15:37] ‹Calindu› Yeah, thanks for that, but I still can't see a mind flayer
[11:16:03] ‹Mobian› Was meant for MW
[11:16:14] ‹Calindu› Wait, what
[11:16:19] ‹Calindu› I got Momentum too
[11:16:38] ‹Mobian› Talking about next night
[11:16:57] ‹Mobian› I buffed you last night, Cali
[11:17:03] ‹Calindu› Oh, I got confused for a while
[11:18:03] ‹Mobian› DD, give me immaterial next night, please?
[11:18:24] ‹MasterWalks› One of us 3 will be killed if i had to guess
[11:19:01] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› it's a given
[11:23:58] ‹ddevans96› yeah, probably
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 04, 2019, 06:30:54 pm
m?
I hope it's not against the rules if I state that nk comes first. I have a funny story to tell about this later
Post by: Calindu on June 04, 2019, 06:31:18 pm
Mafia might try to NK a big player tonight, to try to force a mislynch on their connections. Be extremely wary of this.
Or you could see that kaempfer was catching on, then kill him and frame it this way so people ignore what he said.
I believe it was expected that kaempfer would get nightkilled last night, since GN was on cooldown and he was confirmed.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 06:37:42 pm
And MW and kae were the obvious NKs. My post was talking about a scenario where a GA is still in play - the common opinion was to GA kae, and if mafia expected a GA, they might NK MW instead. That whole situation invokes WIFOM. I'm talking about a scenario where they want a guaranteed kill, and look elsewhere.
Of course, since there is probably no GA in play, and mafia predicted this, my post is not relevant.
Also, in no way does this suggest we should ignore kae - quite the opposite, I would recommend paying more attention to his posts, and looking at posts of others who talked about him.
Regardless - if it wasn't clear by the giggle in chat, and the tongue-in-cheek 'told you' when they killed kae, this was barely serious. So you've now responded negatively to two half-joking posts in as many phases. Methinks doth protest too much.
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 06:49:23 pm
Espithel's much more handsome, older, and wiser brother (1) - Espithel
lol
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 06:52:59 pm
[19:49:36] ‹Submachine› ‹@Espithel› If you convince Linkcat, sure.
My biggest regret this mafia?
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/585541076564180992/unknown.png)
I am the king of posts. Not evans.
Lynch me now or I'll rectify this. >:(
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 06:54:28 pm
Post by: RootRanger on June 04, 2019, 06:55:22 pm
I'm good with ending the phase early if there's a unanimous majority on Espi.
Post by: Calindu on June 04, 2019, 06:57:02 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 07:12:56 pm
Abstaining from vote to give cover to Shrieker, if there is one, since the lynch today is obvious.
I'm good with ending the phase early if there's a unanimous majority on Espi.
I already proved that there isn't a graboid in this game you nonce >:(
Just because I'm scum doesn't mean that cold reality changes
Fucking vote on me you slag
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 07:31:05 pm
[20:16:41] ‹Calindu› Oh, that's true too, but it's just that nightkill triggers early
[20:17:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Can confirm Mobi gave Calindu momentum
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 04, 2019, 07:34:40 pm
Espithel's much more handsome, older, and wiser brother (1) - Espithel
Post by: Linkcat on June 04, 2019, 09:30:27 pm
@Link: kae had been talking about scenarios where we're both town, and had never voiced a particularly confident scumread on me, so no, your suggestion does not make sense.
And MW and kae were the obvious NKs. My post was talking about a scenario where a GA is still in play - the common opinion was to GA kae, and if mafia expected a GA, they might NK MW instead. That whole situation invokes WIFOM. I'm talking about a scenario where they want a guaranteed kill, and look elsewhere.
Of course, since there is probably no GA in play, and mafia predicted this, my post is not relevant.
Also, in no way does this suggest we should ignore kae - quite the opposite, I would recommend paying more attention to his posts, and looking at posts of others who talked about him.
Regardless - if it wasn't clear by the giggle in chat, and the tongue-in-cheek 'told you' when they killed kae, this was barely serious. So you've now responded negatively to two half-joking posts in as many phases. Methinks doth protest too much.
You made that post immediately before the kill, and then immediately after the kill you say "Told you." How am I not supposed to think those two posts are related? I had less than 10 minutes to even look at mafia since my last post, so sorry if I was misled.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 09:50:57 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 09:56:48 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2019, 09:59:28 pm
Can you two just get married already
Sure. Are you gonna be his best man? Mafia usually sticks together like that.
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 10:04:27 pm
Can you two just get married already
Sure. Are you gonna be his best man? Mafia usually sticks together like that.
I'll be a bridemaid.
Post by: Espithel on June 04, 2019, 10:05:50 pm
[23:00:26] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› hell yeah dying on the same day on my birthday
Espithel (3) - MasterWalks, Mobian, ddevans96, Calindu, Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo
Espithel's much more handsome, older, and wiser brother (1) - Espithel, MasterWalks, InsigificantWeeaboo
D e e p e s t L o r e
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 12:48:02 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 05, 2019, 12:55:51 am
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 02:30:58 am
Post by: Espithel on June 05, 2019, 03:07:02 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 05, 2019, 05:15:15 am
shock and yourself are still only likely town right?shock and Linkcat are fairly likely mafia if you wanna read back a few pages, now even moreso after the reveal
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2019, 05:44:14 am
Here is the officially correct tally.
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2019, 05:55:03 am
Now let’s look at root. He’s someone who thinks I’m the most definite mafia. But let’s take a look at his read list on page 61. MasterWalks sits at n-, the same level of immortal feud, who was the person blindly defending the player Root has been trying to get lynched since day 2. Now we have espithel, second from the top at v. I get that finding espithel to be town is a valid assumption that several had, but I really don’t think that makes MW more suspicious. Regardless, your read list makes you look like you’re either mafia, or just really bad at reads. Both options make you less trustworthy. As for your other reads, you really offer nothing new than just going with what everyone else has already said. It’s not hard to put linkcat and ddevans at the bottom of your list, pretty much everyone has either one or both there. And then putting kaempf and calindu at top. No one suspected either of them. And no, sharing similar opinions with others does not make one guilty. I’m only bringing up the read list because Root himself has said that the espithel reveal makes me look even worse. In my opinion, the only person who it makes look worse is Root. He says day 1 that MW might be GN and that espithel would be the better vote of the two. But then he joins a JCJ vote and pushes that OVER espithel? His reasoning and vote are the main cause of others switching their vote to JCJ day 1. And for someone who thought MW might be GN, he sure did change his opinion quite a lot by day3 as we can see from his read list.
Is Root mafia? I don’t know. Like he says, it’s a 50/50 and only mafia and himself know that. So unlike him I’m not going to tunnel on what could be a bad read. But I will defend myself since he keeps pushing me so hard. For as much as Root announces what a distraction to town I am, he ironically has been a distraction himself by pushing my lynch at MW level, only we know that Root can’t be GN.
As for immortal and Root both being mafia, could be a sort of weak bus. Just a few posts above, immortal brings up me being potentially town again. Yet this time Root simply responds by talking about how Linkcat and I are even more likely mafia now. What happened to the suspicion caused by immortal defending me, the most likely mafia? Is immortal just a bad town with bad reads then? Root seems to think that the remaining mafia are Linkcat, ddevans, and myself. Well what do we do with immortal feud who’s only real contributions were a weak callout on espithel early on, unexplained defense of myself, and relatively afk. What do we do about afk mathman who linkcat made sure we didn’t lynch? What do we do about Ginyu who really hasn’t offered anything except a very occasional rehashing of opinions already repeated? Are they all bad and inactive town? Are they really still trying to feign graboid?
One last thing. Kaempf and MW are confirmed town. In theory that should make their opinions hold the most weight since every other player could in theory be mafia. Well both of these players have doubted that I am mafia. They both had a chance to lynch me over moehrpi and they didn’t. When talking about who to lynch instead of me in chat, I made sure to give those involved in the moehrpi vote the choice of who they wanted to ensure no one saw me as orchestrating. Kaempf and MW willingly chose to go with a moehrpi vote over me. Are their opinions less important than those of Root, Calindu, Mobian, and mathman who could all still be mafia? Again yes, I am equally as likely and maybe even more likely to be mafia than anyone else. But we have confirmed town now, and on kaempf’s last list I was higher up on town read than both immortal feud and Rootranger.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 05, 2019, 05:57:47 am
Mobian gave Calindu momentum, but Calindu wasn't able to do anything with it since I blocked him
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 06:19:17 am
straws
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 06:29:40 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2019, 06:33:58 am
If you think mafia, or even worse I am mafia, you just low key admitted to throwing for town. You were a deciding factor in the 6-5 vote that killed moerhpi when town knew it was running out of lynches before lynch or die. I might be the worst town player ever (at least for this game) but at least I explain actual reasonings behind all my actions and thoughts, even if people disagree with them.
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2019, 06:34:36 am
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 06:39:41 am
[I am mafia]ladies and gentlemen
as has been said before we are past the point of considering getting rid of bad towns, we need to lynch mafia now
Post by: shockcannon on June 05, 2019, 07:00:38 am
I bring up a couple solid points of why you might be suspicious and you go from defending me as town, to claiming that was a meme, to believing that “I am mafia” all within the span of several minutes? That’s a red flag if I ever saw it. My post wasn’t even really about you. You were a side thought, off-shoot in a post that mostly looked at Root’s behaviors. The more you keep responding to me without any actual substance, the more it looks like we’re bussing each other which really only hurts your image as mine is already about as low as it gets.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2019, 08:45:04 am
Day 4 has ended.
Edit 1 (June 5th): Cut down the timer by one day.
Post by: Calindu on June 05, 2019, 11:54:21 am
I mentioned part of this in chat a while back, but I don't think too many people noticed.
Mobian gave Calindu momentum, but Calindu wasn't able to do anything with it since I blocked him
First of all, what the hell dude, I posted all my info so our confirmed players could make good use of it, and I intended to keep doing it.
Secondly, you didn't block me, because Queen comes before Guard.
I'd understand you guarding me to protect me against random abilities, but you clearly said you wanted to block me.
Post by: Espithel on June 05, 2019, 01:44:38 pm
Even when I'm confirmed mafia, people don't roleblock me.
Honesssstly.
Post by: RootRanger on June 05, 2019, 05:07:09 pm
A lynch on Espithel on Day 1 would have been the wrong play. The possibility occurred to me that MW was a GN who had investigated Espithel. He left his breadcrumb, and I reaffirmed it publicly that MW could be GN. At this point, the lynch on Espithel was inevitable. If MW died as GN, Espithel would be lynched the next day because people would figure out that Espi was his N0 target. If it got to lynch or lose without Espi's death, MW would reveal. There was zero rush to lynch Espithel on Day 1.
I realize it seems counterintuitive - if you think someone's mafia, you obviously want to lynch them, right? Yes and no. Espithel was always going to be lynched at some point in the game. If he was lynched on Day 1, we would lose our GN on Night 1. Instead, by waiting a few rounds for a GN roleclaim, we not only get to lynch Espithel, but also get an additional GN reveal. It's the strictly better play.
So, that was my hesitation with lynching Espithel on Day 1. It would reveal our GN immediately.
And if MW was GN and Espi mafia, then mafia would have wanted to get rid of MW. That's why I went after one of the players who had voted to lynch MW. It made zero sense for a civilian to want to kill off someone who is likely our GN, especially someone experienced as JCJ. It sucks that he was civ, but it was still the correct play at the time with the information I had.
But when I made my scumreads, Coffee had revealed that he roleblocked GN on Night 0. So, it was super unlikely that MW was actually a GN who targeted Espi on N0, because GN was roleblocked. So I threw the whole thing out when I made my reads.
The GN who was roleblocked ended up being a Fate Egg. This was an insanely unlikely outcome that I didn't base my reads around. Sorry?
Reads are supposed to change when the relevant information behind them changes. Anything else would either be a bad civ or mafia trying to pin blame on someone arbitrary.
Seems like shock is trying to build up a lynch on me tomorrow, something that would just about seal the game for mafia. Don't fall for the bait.
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2019, 05:09:00 pm
[2019-06-04 23:14:17] shockcannon: I got info to share later
[2019-06-04 23:36:34] shockcannon: Wait
[2019-06-04 23:36:39] shockcannon: FFQ can see NK?
[2019-06-04 23:36:49] shockcannon: Since when,
[2019-06-05 05:11:25] shockcannon: probably wont be on much tomorrow though
[2019-06-05 05:12:22] MasterWalks: shocks going afk tomorrow. Better lynch him -_-
[2019-06-05 07:20:50] shockcannon: Alright
[2019-06-05 07:21:08] shockcannon: I think there’s a good chance either immortal feud or rootranger is mafia
[2019-06-05 07:24:28] shockcannon: I’m just going to say the exact same thing in a post
[2019-06-05 08:00:36] shockcannon: I hope my post gets read
[2019-06-05 08:00:45] shockcannon: One of the most level headed ones I’ve made this whole game
[2019-06-05 08:40:15] immortal_feud: where are dd and link grr
[2019-06-05 08:41:34] dawn_to_dusk: Not here
[2019-06-05 08:52:45] kaempfer13: oh, are we going to hear sth now?
[2019-06-05 08:53:03] immortal_feud: link save town thanks
[2019-06-05 08:57:14] Linkcat: I'll try.
[2019-06-05 09:08:05] immortal_feud: shock is mafia
[2019-06-05 09:08:08] immortal_feud: discuss
[2019-06-05 09:08:12] shockcannon: I want to talk about mafia
[2019-06-05 09:08:23] shockcannon: Oh crap, now everyone can read me
[2019-06-05 09:08:30] shockcannon: I just gave away everything about myself
[2019-06-05 09:25:06] immortal_feud: link are you town?
[2019-06-05 09:28:38] kaempfer13: How about you guys avenge me rather than wasting time?
[2019-06-05 09:30:25] immortal_feud: are you town shock?
[2019-06-05 09:37:20] immortal_feud: do you normally read chatlogs shock?
[2019-06-05 09:38:11] shockcannon: I give about 0% chance that anyone reads through this entire log after it’s posted
[2019-06-05 09:38:34] immortal_feud: damn ignored again
[2019-06-05 09:47:35] Linkcat: ‹@immortal_feud› Yes.
(https://i.imgur.com/jqkDSBV.jpg)
Post by: Mobian on June 05, 2019, 05:28:38 pm
I mentioned part of this in chat a while back, but I don't think too many people noticed.
Mobian gave Calindu momentum, but Calindu wasn't able to do anything with it since I blocked him
Momentum circumvents anything that would prevent his ability from firing.
Post by: Mobian on June 05, 2019, 05:32:55 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 05, 2019, 06:01:57 pm
Night 4
Espithel died. He was Paradox and a Green Nymph.
:^)
This looks like a face with a big nose, right?
Do you know who else had big nose?
Pinocchio when he was lying.
This looks like a face with a big nose, right?
Do you know who else had big nose?
Pinocchio when he was lying.
Night 4 has ended.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 05, 2019, 06:02:29 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 05, 2019, 06:13:29 pm
EBWOP: Nevermind, I misread my ability's status text. Why would you block a FFQ, IW?Dumbass play
Post by: ddevans96 on June 05, 2019, 06:14:38 pm
[2019-06-05 12:13:03] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› It's possible. I'm concerned about him guarding Cali
[2019-06-05 12:13:13] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› depends on how you see it
[2019-06-05 12:13:46] ‹ddevans96› cool
Extremely relevant and useful log of interactions
Post by: RootRanger on June 05, 2019, 06:30:41 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 05, 2019, 09:04:38 pm
You die
Weird how that works
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 10:23:42 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 05, 2019, 10:25:15 pm
whats the list of alive players?
Spoiled signup list here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289144/#msg1289144) shows all dead and living players.
Post by: immortal feud on June 05, 2019, 10:26:40 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 07, 2019, 06:00:06 pm
Day 5
MasterWalks died. He was an Elemental and a Golden Nymph.
| People in danger of modkill: mathman101 |
So what shall it be, mortals? Do you give up against us, the False True Gods?
Note: I made a minor mistake during the last night. I sent out correction messages to those involved. The corrections did not affect any night actions.
Day 5 has ended.
Post by: Mobian on June 07, 2019, 06:50:36 pm
(https://imgur.com/xQPJwQy)
Post by: ddevans96 on June 07, 2019, 06:55:23 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xQPJwQy.png)
ftfy
Post by: Mobian on June 07, 2019, 06:57:08 pm
OK, so looks like the image link I tried to post failed. Will go back to straight text logging, sorry.
[12:41:43] ‹Mobian› So, I just had a weird idea... What if Shock really is a jester, in a manner of speaking.... I suspect, have no proof, but SUSPECT him to be a GotP, trying to lock down someone's abilities on death...
[12:42:37] ‹ddevans96› wouldn't really surprise me
[12:42:58] ‹ddevans96› at this point, literally anything is in play for shock
[12:43:09] ‹Mobian› Yeah...
[12:43:58] ‹Mobian› So, MW is dead, but we've seen that coming a mile away
[12:44:38] ‹Mobian› Hopefully we still have a vulture in play who can nom on his corpse and get his nymph juice
[12:45:06] ‹ddevans96› that'd be ideal
[12:50:02] shockcannon joined.
[12:50:11] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› who should we lynch?
[12:50:52] ‹shockcannon› Honestly I have no idea
[12:50:59] ‹ddevans96› hm
[12:51:09] ‹kaempfer13› inb4 thats a red flag, lets lynch someone else
[12:51:11] ‹ddevans96› that feels like a safe answer
[12:51:21] ‹shockcannon› Objectively speaking I think the 3 best lynch targets for town would be you, me, immortal feud, and roltranger
[12:51:29] ‹shockcannon› I guess that’s 4
[12:51:52] ‹ddevans96› why feud?
[12:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I stay up late thinking about this.
[12:52:03] ‹shockcannon› He says nothing
[12:52:04] ‹Mobian› I still think Link might be suspect
[12:52:11] ‹shockcannon› He blindly defended me for 3 days
[12:52:30] ‹shockcannon› And then I give some solid reasons for his play potentially being mafia and he instantly swaps ship
[12:53:09] ‹shockcannon› You could pass it off as him trolling or playing badly or emotionally, but maybe that’s his chosen persona for this mafia game
[12:53:58] ‹Mobian› ‹@shockcannon› If that were reasons for a lynch, I'd have been dead long ago
[12:53:59] ‹shockcannon› He also said he voted other townies and not me for the memes
[12:54:15] ‹shockcannon› And rootranger hasn’t seemed to care about that at all
[12:54:52] Guest-Abomination-899be joined.
[12:54:47] ‹shockcannon› Which is weird because you would think that’s the kind of play that would piss off root
[12:55:28] ‹shockcannon› So yeah, I think there’s some evidence (albeit not a lot yet) that points to a potential root/immortal mafia duo
[12:55:46] ‹ddevans96› hm, interesting
[12:55:50] ‹shockcannon› Root will probably read this chat and use my talking as another reason why I’m mafia
[12:56:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Posted like a peacock.
[12:56:03] ‹shockcannon› But I think you two should at least consider this scenario and decide for yourselves
[12:42:37] ‹ddevans96› wouldn't really surprise me
[12:42:58] ‹ddevans96› at this point, literally anything is in play for shock
[12:43:09] ‹Mobian› Yeah...
[12:43:58] ‹Mobian› So, MW is dead, but we've seen that coming a mile away
[12:44:38] ‹Mobian› Hopefully we still have a vulture in play who can nom on his corpse and get his nymph juice
[12:45:06] ‹ddevans96› that'd be ideal
[12:50:02] shockcannon joined.
[12:50:11] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› who should we lynch?
[12:50:52] ‹shockcannon› Honestly I have no idea
[12:50:59] ‹ddevans96› hm
[12:51:09] ‹kaempfer13› inb4 thats a red flag, lets lynch someone else
[12:51:11] ‹ddevans96› that feels like a safe answer
[12:51:21] ‹shockcannon› Objectively speaking I think the 3 best lynch targets for town would be you, me, immortal feud, and roltranger
[12:51:29] ‹shockcannon› I guess that’s 4
[12:51:52] ‹ddevans96› why feud?
[12:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I stay up late thinking about this.
[12:52:03] ‹shockcannon› He says nothing
[12:52:04] ‹Mobian› I still think Link might be suspect
[12:52:11] ‹shockcannon› He blindly defended me for 3 days
[12:52:30] ‹shockcannon› And then I give some solid reasons for his play potentially being mafia and he instantly swaps ship
[12:53:09] ‹shockcannon› You could pass it off as him trolling or playing badly or emotionally, but maybe that’s his chosen persona for this mafia game
[12:53:58] ‹Mobian› ‹@shockcannon› If that were reasons for a lynch, I'd have been dead long ago
[12:53:59] ‹shockcannon› He also said he voted other townies and not me for the memes
[12:54:15] ‹shockcannon› And rootranger hasn’t seemed to care about that at all
[12:54:52] Guest-Abomination-899be joined.
[12:54:47] ‹shockcannon› Which is weird because you would think that’s the kind of play that would piss off root
[12:55:28] ‹shockcannon› So yeah, I think there’s some evidence (albeit not a lot yet) that points to a potential root/immortal mafia duo
[12:55:46] ‹ddevans96› hm, interesting
[12:55:50] ‹shockcannon› Root will probably read this chat and use my talking as another reason why I’m mafia
[12:56:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Posted like a peacock.
[12:56:03] ‹shockcannon› But I think you two should at least consider this scenario and decide for yourselves
Post by: ddevans96 on June 07, 2019, 07:01:18 pm
You have committed crimes against the World of Elements and her people. What say you in your defense?
Post by: Mobian on June 07, 2019, 07:02:54 pm
I'm still highly sus because of how deftly you maneuvered a vote onto a townie, and away from shock or math.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 07, 2019, 07:03:03 pm
[12:41:43] ‹Mobian› So, I just had a weird idea... What if Shock really is a jester, in a manner of speaking.... I suspect, have no proof, but SUSPECT him to be a GotP, trying to lock down someone's abilities on death...
[12:42:37] ‹ddevans96› wouldn't really surprise me
[12:42:58] ‹ddevans96› at this point, literally anything is in play for shock
[12:43:09] ‹Mobian› Yeah...
[12:43:58] ‹Mobian› So, MW is dead, but we've seen that coming a mile away
[12:44:38] ‹Mobian› Hopefully we still have a vulture in play who can nom on his corpse and get his nymph juice
[12:45:06] ‹ddevans96› that'd be ideal
[12:50:02] shockcannon joined.
[12:50:11] ‹ddevans96› ‹@shockcannon› who should we lynch?
[12:50:52] ‹shockcannon› Honestly I have no idea
[12:50:59] ‹ddevans96› hm
[12:51:09] ‹kaempfer13› inb4 thats a red flag, lets lynch someone else
[12:51:11] ‹ddevans96› that feels like a safe answer
[12:51:21] ‹shockcannon› Objectively speaking I think the 3 best lynch targets for town would be you, me, immortal feud, and roltranger
[12:51:29] ‹shockcannon› I guess that’s 4
[12:51:52] ‹ddevans96› why feud?
[12:52:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Mobian in Forum Games. I stay up late thinking about this.
[12:52:03] ‹shockcannon› He says nothing
[12:52:04] ‹Mobian› I still think Link might be suspect
[12:52:11] ‹shockcannon› He blindly defended me for 3 days
[12:52:30] ‹shockcannon› And then I give some solid reasons for his play potentially being mafia and he instantly swaps ship
[12:53:09] ‹shockcannon› You could pass it off as him trolling or playing badly or emotionally, but maybe that’s his chosen persona for this mafia game
[12:53:58] ‹Mobian› ‹@shockcannon› If that were reasons for a lynch, I'd have been dead long ago
[12:53:59] ‹shockcannon› He also said he voted other townies and not me for the memes
[12:54:15] ‹shockcannon› And rootranger hasn’t seemed to care about that at all
[12:54:52] Guest-Abomination-899be joined.
[12:54:47] ‹shockcannon› Which is weird because you would think that’s the kind of play that would piss off root
[12:55:28] ‹shockcannon› So yeah, I think there’s some evidence (albeit not a lot yet) that points to a potential root/immortal mafia duo
[12:55:46] ‹ddevans96› hm, interesting
[12:55:50] ‹shockcannon› Root will probably read this chat and use my talking as another reason why I’m mafia
[12:56:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Posted like a peacock.
[12:56:03] ‹shockcannon› But I think you two should at least consider this scenario and decide for yourselves
[2019-06-07 12:56:45] ‹shockcannon› Also definitely possible ddevans and linkcat are mafia, but I’m startijg to lean back towards them both being town. But still both suspect
[2019-06-07 12:57:38] ‹shockcannon› As far as ginyu and mathman, both could easily be quiet mafia and quiet town
[2019-06-07 12:57:58] ‹shockcannon› Problem with that is it’s basically a 50/50 lynch and we can’t really afford that right now
[2019-06-07 12:59:07] ‹Mobian› Finding Espi bought us time
[2019-06-07 12:59:23] ‹ddevans96› my lynch preference is still Link
[2019-06-07 12:59:41] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› I'm inclined to support that
[2019-06-07 12:59:47] ‹ddevans96› cool
[2019-06-07 13:01:18] ‹shockcannon› Someone post these logs
[2019-06-07 12:57:38] ‹shockcannon› As far as ginyu and mathman, both could easily be quiet mafia and quiet town
[2019-06-07 12:57:58] ‹shockcannon› Problem with that is it’s basically a 50/50 lynch and we can’t really afford that right now
[2019-06-07 12:59:07] ‹Mobian› Finding Espi bought us time
[2019-06-07 12:59:23] ‹ddevans96› my lynch preference is still Link
[2019-06-07 12:59:41] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› I'm inclined to support that
[2019-06-07 12:59:47] ‹ddevans96› cool
[2019-06-07 13:01:18] ‹shockcannon› Someone post these logs
Really short logs.
Post by: Linkcat on June 07, 2019, 08:17:48 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 07, 2019, 08:19:49 pm
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
Post by: ddevans96 on June 07, 2019, 08:20:25 pm
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:04:12 am
did we have other confirmed ffq's other than link?
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 08, 2019, 12:07:30 am
did we have other confirmed ffq's other than link?
Calindu, I think
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:10:00 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 12:26:27 am
the conventional strategy of using brain and scum reads to decide who to lynch...
...has not yet been in play this game. Three lynches were manipulated late, and the fourth was a confirmed mafia. This is the first round we can actually make a proper lynch based off true reads and logic. We have to take advantage of it.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:30:13 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 12:34:06 am
i am low on logic. have you got any convincing arguments on who we should lynch and why?
Linkcat, for more reasons than I can summarize in one post. Skim through my posts (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=10) and see what you think.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 12:41:53 am
[2019-06-07 18:30:36] ‹ddevans96› ‹@immortal_feud› Link is FFQ, I'm Anubis, IW is Warden, Mobian is Amber Nymph, Cal is FFQ - these are all either confirmed or claimed and not proven incorrect
[2019-06-07 18:30:47] ‹ddevans96› shock claims to be Flayer
[2019-06-07 18:31:02] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[2019-06-07 18:31:04] ‹ddevans96› it is very possible that me/IW/Mobian could be lying, we aren't hard confirmed
[2019-06-07 18:31:08] ‹immortal_feud› shock claims alot
[2019-06-07 18:31:11] ‹ddevans96› but extremely likely
[2019-06-07 18:31:18] ‹ddevans96› shock has literally only claimed Flayer and GN
[2019-06-07 18:31:37] ‹immortal_feud› we got a confirm on link having immortality?
[2019-06-07 18:31:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› claims kill games.
[2019-06-07 18:31:51] ‹Calindu› I'm making my post atm, I strongly believe we should take a look at the players that 'play dumb'
[2019-06-07 18:31:57] ‹Captain_Scibra› Hm, seems transparent avatars don't work in the chat.
[2019-06-07 18:31:57] ‹ddevans96› no, only his claim
[2019-06-07 18:32:14] ‹Calindu› I can confirm Link got immortality, saw that with my FFQ
[2019-06-07 18:32:41] ‹Espithel› Can't wait for you all to get modkilled
[2019-06-07 18:32:42] ‹Espithel› :^)
[2019-06-07 18:32:48] ‹ddevans96› oh, okay, I missed that
[2019-06-07 18:33:02] ‹Espithel› That's actually a good question
[2019-06-07 18:33:06] ‹Espithel› Can dead people post chatlogs?
[2019-06-07 18:33:21] ‹ddevans96› no
[2019-06-07 18:33:27] ‹ddevans96› I mean, maybe, but just let living people handle it
[2019-06-07 18:33:32] ‹Espithel› Can't wait for you all to get modkilled
[2019-06-07 18:33:35] ‹Espithel› :^):^):^)
[2019-06-07 18:33:59] • Espithel coughs
[2019-06-07 18:34:02] ‹Espithel› Back to Tales of Symphonia
[2019-06-07 18:34:03] ‹immortal_feud› feel like i remember sub saying dead ppl can post chatlogs
[2019-06-07 18:34:15] ‹immortal_feud› but sub said he would prefer an alive player post
[2019-06-07 18:34:17] ‹ddevans96› it'll get posted, fool
[2019-06-07 18:34:18] ‹ddevans96› begone
[2019-06-07 18:34:28] ‹ddevans96› I'll just make sure I post, it's not a big deal
[2019-06-07 18:34:36] ‹immortal_feud› also espi is scum and edits chatlogs when he posts soYIKES
[2019-06-07 18:35:05] ‹ddevans96› the idea was pretty good, post certain important tidbits up front and then the whole log later
[2019-06-07 18:35:17] ‹immortal_feud› maybe
[2019-06-07 18:35:18] ‹ddevans96› I'd have called him out if I think he intentionally left out something important
[2019-06-07 18:35:28] ‹immortal_feud› but naturally any form of TLDR is gonna be baised
[2019-06-07 18:36:05] ‹Espithel› Yeah, I know someone would eventually call that into question
[2019-06-07 18:36:08] ‹immortal_feud› should i expect to be reading players as more likely scum when rereading the last 20 pages?
[2019-06-07 18:36:16] ‹Espithel› OH FFS I'M DEAD
[2019-06-07 18:36:17] ‹ddevans96› yes
[2019-06-07 18:36:19] ‹Espithel› I NEED TO STOP TALKING
[2019-06-07 18:36:21] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2019-06-07 18:36:37] ‹ddevans96› BEGONE SCUM
[2019-06-07 18:30:47] ‹ddevans96› shock claims to be Flayer
[2019-06-07 18:31:02] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[2019-06-07 18:31:04] ‹ddevans96› it is very possible that me/IW/Mobian could be lying, we aren't hard confirmed
[2019-06-07 18:31:08] ‹immortal_feud› shock claims alot
[2019-06-07 18:31:11] ‹ddevans96› but extremely likely
[2019-06-07 18:31:18] ‹ddevans96› shock has literally only claimed Flayer and GN
[2019-06-07 18:31:37] ‹immortal_feud› we got a confirm on link having immortality?
[2019-06-07 18:31:43] ‹MyNameIsJoey› claims kill games.
[2019-06-07 18:31:51] ‹Calindu› I'm making my post atm, I strongly believe we should take a look at the players that 'play dumb'
[2019-06-07 18:31:57] ‹Captain_Scibra› Hm, seems transparent avatars don't work in the chat.
[2019-06-07 18:31:57] ‹ddevans96› no, only his claim
[2019-06-07 18:32:14] ‹Calindu› I can confirm Link got immortality, saw that with my FFQ
[2019-06-07 18:32:41] ‹Espithel› Can't wait for you all to get modkilled
[2019-06-07 18:32:42] ‹Espithel› :^)
[2019-06-07 18:32:48] ‹ddevans96› oh, okay, I missed that
[2019-06-07 18:33:02] ‹Espithel› That's actually a good question
[2019-06-07 18:33:06] ‹Espithel› Can dead people post chatlogs?
[2019-06-07 18:33:21] ‹ddevans96› no
[2019-06-07 18:33:27] ‹ddevans96› I mean, maybe, but just let living people handle it
[2019-06-07 18:33:32] ‹Espithel› Can't wait for you all to get modkilled
[2019-06-07 18:33:35] ‹Espithel› :^):^):^)
[2019-06-07 18:33:59] • Espithel coughs
[2019-06-07 18:34:02] ‹Espithel› Back to Tales of Symphonia
[2019-06-07 18:34:03] ‹immortal_feud› feel like i remember sub saying dead ppl can post chatlogs
[2019-06-07 18:34:15] ‹immortal_feud› but sub said he would prefer an alive player post
[2019-06-07 18:34:17] ‹ddevans96› it'll get posted, fool
[2019-06-07 18:34:18] ‹ddevans96› begone
[2019-06-07 18:34:28] ‹ddevans96› I'll just make sure I post, it's not a big deal
[2019-06-07 18:34:36] ‹immortal_feud› also espi is scum and edits chatlogs when he posts soYIKES
[2019-06-07 18:35:05] ‹ddevans96› the idea was pretty good, post certain important tidbits up front and then the whole log later
[2019-06-07 18:35:17] ‹immortal_feud› maybe
[2019-06-07 18:35:18] ‹ddevans96› I'd have called him out if I think he intentionally left out something important
[2019-06-07 18:35:28] ‹immortal_feud› but naturally any form of TLDR is gonna be baised
[2019-06-07 18:36:05] ‹Espithel› Yeah, I know someone would eventually call that into question
[2019-06-07 18:36:08] ‹immortal_feud› should i expect to be reading players as more likely scum when rereading the last 20 pages?
[2019-06-07 18:36:16] ‹Espithel› OH FFS I'M DEAD
[2019-06-07 18:36:17] ‹ddevans96› yes
[2019-06-07 18:36:19] ‹Espithel› I NEED TO STOP TALKING
[2019-06-07 18:36:21] ‹Espithel› AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2019-06-07 18:36:37] ‹ddevans96› BEGONE SCUM
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:43:48 am
Beyond that rereading posts just makes me read everyone as scum :)
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 12:44:59 am
Beyond that rereading posts just makes me read everyone as scum :)
Alright, we can work with that. Pick some players and tell us why you read them as scum.
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2019, 12:45:10 am
IW: Why specifically did you target me as guard? A mafia FFQ would be probably almost useless by now, as most of the abilities are known already, but a town FFQ can still be useful in finding some roles, and moreover, I provided all the information that I gained as a result of me using my ability so I don't know why you would every target me.
immortal feud: From your posts, you seem totally lost, and unable to provide any meaningful information or read. Espithel mentioned he hates his team, and I am confident that part of that information is at least half true, and someone that can't be bothered to at least follow what has been posted seems like a good enough reason. You also said that you are voting 'for the memes', so my question is: are you actually following the game, and if so, what's your view of the game, who do you think is mafia?
Linkcat (2) - ddevans96, Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
I'm prepared to vote on Linkcat if needed, but for now, I really want some pressure on the less active players that just seem to be playing randomly.
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2019, 12:52:19 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 12:59:47 am
Welp.
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 01:03:15 am
IW: Why specifically did you target me as guard? A mafia FFQ would be probably almost useless by now, as most of the abilities are known already, but a town FFQ can still be useful in finding some roles, and moreover, I provided all the information that I gained as a result of me using my ability so I don't know why you would every target me.
immortal feud: From your posts, you seem totally lost, and unable to provide any meaningful information or read. Espithel mentioned he hates his team, and I am confident that part of that information is at least half true, and someone that can't be bothered to at least follow what has been posted seems like a good enough reason. You also said that you are voting 'for the memes', so my question is: are you actually following the game, and if so, what's your view of the game, who do you think is mafia?
good read on me i am pretty lost on how to play. I have taken more interest in the game as players have got killed as more town responsibility lies on me and i am more able to participate. I think the game is not going good for town. I dont know what kind of information i was expecting the town to gather throughout the game but what we have dosent feel like much. Im starting to think more mafia than just espi have high post count this game.
Alive:
2. Linkcat
5. immortal_feud
7. ddevans96
9. InsignificantWeeaboo
12. Mobian
14. mathman101
15. RootRanger
16. shockcannon
17. Ginyu
18. Calindu
so the question is what 3 do i pick:
link dd both are starting to feel scummy to me
leaning towards IW as the 3rd
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 01:03:54 am
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
Insig is neutral but chaotic for me. dd is town lean with a lot of information attached to his lynch. But I'll give you an out.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 01:04:10 am
what are you drawing attention toWelp.
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 01:07:11 am
EBWOP:
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 01:09:02 am
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 01:11:04 am
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 01:14:49 am
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 01:28:06 am
Start of Day 2
Welp.
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Is this a bus?
Middle of Day 2
ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
Insig is neutral but chaotic for me. dd is town lean with a lot of information attached to his lynch. But I'll give you an out.
Is there bussing going on here? Would bussing at this exact point in time in voting be a good move for mafia? Personally I don't think there's any bussing here at all, unless mafia wants to hedge their bets. What does this tell us? Well, if we assume no bussing in a close voting phase....Immortal and Insig are not both mafia. Linkcat and ddevans are not both mafia. Insig and ddevans are not both mafia. Root and Insig are not both mafia. mathman and mobian are not both mafia.
Obviously bussing is very possible, but we're grasping at straws here and I personally am okay taking a gamble by saying there was no bussing during this voting snapshot. That gives us the above assumptions I just listed out, which are extremely helpful for narrowing things down.
Start of Day 3
EBWOP:
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Let's pretend Calindu doesn't have proof that my GN claim was wrong. Does town go through with this lynch? Or does town continue to not trust me. What does mafia think will happen? Espithel voted on Linkcat before Calindu revealed. I'm not sure what that tells us but I think it's quite interesting. He's clearly playing the support shockcannon move, but does that mean Linkcat is town? Espithel claims he knew GN was MW by this point in time. That means he knows I'm lying. If Linkcat is mafia, does Espithel bus him? I don't know if that play makes sense. Maybe ddevans is mafia and Espithel and ddevans both go in hoping no one has info that I'm not actually GN. But Calindu already revealed by this point. ddevans puts his vote on claiming that he wasn't the anubis who protected Linkcat. This means ddevans at this point assumes Calindu AND Linkcat are lying. Bold assumption. But if ddevans was mafia, he would know whether or not Linkcat and Calindu were town. Would he risk exposing himself but continuing to vote Linkcat? Is ddevans just playing the aggressive mafia who is amazed he's still alive and figures why not keep causing chaos if town never lynches me? I don't think this makes sense either.
Personally, I think voting snapshot shows that BOTH Linkcat and ddevans are town.
Middle of Day 3
shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Not much analysis here, but I think this voting snapshot is still quite interesting. I have some opinions about what we can gain from this but I'll save them for now. The above 3 are more important. This is only icing on the cake.
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 01:33:13 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 02:30:04 am
Start of Day 2Welp.
While I wait for people to start shit:
immortal feud (1) - Espithelfeel like espithel is mafia
feel like link and shock are town
C'mon, this is mafia. That's a really threadbare analysis. Would you mind elaborating on it?
Is this a bus?
Espi has always been a loose cannon. Knowing now that he's mafia, I put exactly zero value into that post - maybe it could be a very weak bus, but it's just as likely to be him trying to look town by grilling a low-activity player, which is generally a pro-town move.
[responding to second vote in separate post later]
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Start of Day 3EBWOP:
Linkcat (3) - shockcannon, Espithel, ddevans96
shockcannon (3) - Calindu, MasterWalks, Linkcat
Let's pretend Calindu doesn't have proof that my GN claim was wrong. Does town go through with this lynch? Or does town continue to not trust me. What does mafia think will happen? Espithel voted on Linkcat before Calindu revealed. I'm not sure what that tells us but I think it's quite interesting. He's clearly playing the support shockcannon move, but does that mean Linkcat is town? Espithel claims he knew GN was MW by this point in time. That means he knows I'm lying. If Linkcat is mafia, does Espithel bus him? I don't know if that play makes sense. Maybe ddevans is mafia and Espithel and ddevans both go in hoping no one has info that I'm not actually GN. But Calindu already revealed by this point. ddevans puts his vote on claiming that he wasn't the anubis who protected Linkcat. This means ddevans at this point assumes Calindu AND Linkcat are lying. Bold assumption. But if ddevans was mafia, he would know whether or not Linkcat and Calindu were town. Would he risk exposing himself but continuing to vote Linkcat? Is ddevans just playing the aggressive mafia who is amazed he's still alive and figures why not keep causing chaos if town never lynches me? I don't think this makes sense either.
Personally, I think voting snapshot shows that BOTH Linkcat and ddevans are town.
I don't know how much value I put into this voting snapshot. It was very early in the phase, but you do bring up some interesting scenarios, and I would say it's likely that at least one is in play. To address some things:
-I think Link would have been our primary lynch target, but because of how lynches have been diverted, there is no guarantee he would have been our final lynch.
-I also believed MW was the real GN. I called MW 'shock lite' in a rant about him - this was not an insult about his playstyle, it was referencing the GN situation. I previously address this breadcrumb in chat, but not in-thread yet.
-I do think a bus play would make sense there. It'd be a weak bus, again because of where it was at in the phase, but it could be something. It doesn't move the needle on how I'm reading Link, regardless.
-I don't necessarily think either Cal or Link was lying. I think it's most likely there's a second Anubis who targeted Link, most likely a mafia buddy. That's why I voted Link - because I felt that was the scenario and he wanted to pass off the Anubis target to me, which makes the most sense if he's mafia.
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Middle of Day 3shockcannon (4) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101,
Espithel (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
Not much analysis here, but I think this voting snapshot is still quite interesting. I have some opinions about what we can gain from this but I'll save them for now. The above 3 are more important. This is only icing on the cake.
I actually think this is the most interesting voting setup of the four you've highlighted. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 02:32:14 am
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96
I'd like math to talk:
-He's at risk of being modkilled, and we need his reads and information.
-I'm scumreading him because of the way Link brought him up, as addressed early, and because Link is my biggest scumread, math is on my list as well.
-We don't know his role, so he is more likely than anyone else to be my presumed mafia Anubis.
This does not mean claim your role.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 02:57:55 am
dont suppose you want to share who you think has immortality?
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 02:58:45 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 03:08:48 am
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.
Except I didn't target you.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 03:12:55 am
hmmmSo be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.Except I didn't target you.
Linkcat (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 03:13:45 am
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 03:57:32 am
[15:18:50] ‹immortal_feud› dd how much should i reveal when answering your question
[15:18:58] ‹immortal_feud› bbs
[15:22:17] ‹ddevans96› don't claim role
[15:24:26] ‹ddevans96› answer the question to the best of your ability, without actually giving anything away
[15:25:15] ‹ddevans96› if that makes sense
[15:25:25] ‹ddevans96› there's some nuance, it's hard to explain exactly what I would do
[15:18:58] ‹immortal_feud› bbs
[15:22:17] ‹ddevans96› don't claim role
[15:24:26] ‹ddevans96› answer the question to the best of your ability, without actually giving anything away
[15:25:15] ‹ddevans96› if that makes sense
[15:25:25] ‹ddevans96› there's some nuance, it's hard to explain exactly what I would do
What about that situation leads you to vote on Cal?
simply i caught a firefly and dont know what about that piece of information justifies lynching me
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 03:59:42 am
[2019-06-07 21:59:08] ‹immortal_feud› night 4
hm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 08, 2019, 04:21:59 am
As for why I targeted Calindu, figured that it might be a good idea to target him since it could help me get a better scumread as my current read on him contradicted with my read on dd. In hindsight it was definitely a stupid move, though FFQ being higher up on the priority kind of worked out?
Post by: mathman101 on June 08, 2019, 06:21:19 am
Also not sure if it is relevant, but i caught fireflies both Night 3 and 4. probably because i have been inactive and have not been paying attention to if i can or can't use my abilities because it is day or night phase.
RL has been busier than expected these last 2 weeks, and I am now having hindsight about actually joining this game, my apologies.
If you want scum reads from me rough guess based on the minimal droplets I have read from the walls of text would be:
I feel like both dd and link are scum. and that they are playing the good cop/bad cop routine on us.
shockcannon is probably townish i think. but unsure as I haven't seen anything from him recently.
I haven't seen anything from Cal, Root, or Ginyu so no idea on them. they are probably on the inactive side, but still more active then me.
Who is left for alive; moe, immo, and Weeby, so maybe one fo them could be mafia. no idea though.
Post by: mathman101 on June 08, 2019, 06:28:59 am
Actually on second thought, if it currently night phase please put my vote on dd next day phase. If it is currently day phase please add my vote on linkcat.
Thanks.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 06:36:04 am
If it is currently day phase please add my vote on linkcat.
Linkcat (2) - Mobian, mathman101
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
----
I don't get a mafia vibe from that post at all. Could still be, but I'm much less inclined to think so now.
Linkcat (3) - Mobian, mathman101, ddevans96
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
Post by: shockcannon on June 08, 2019, 06:54:26 am
Middle of Day 2ddevans96 (5) - Calindu, MasterWalks, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (6) - dawn to dusk, immortal feud, RootRanger, shockcannon, ddevans96, moehrpi
Mobian (2) - Iancudorinmarian, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (3) - Espithel, Mobian
Insig is neutral but chaotic for me. dd is town lean with a lot of information attached to his lynch. But I'll give you an out.
Is there bussing going on here? Would bussing at this exact point in time in voting be a good move for mafia? Personally I don't think there's any bussing here at all, unless mafia wants to hedge their bets. What does this tell us? Well, if we assume no bussing in a close voting phase....Immortal and Insig are not both mafia. Linkcat and ddevans are not both mafia. Insig and ddevans are not both mafia. Root and Insig are not both mafia. mathman and mobian are not both mafia.
Obviously bussing is very possible, but we're grasping at straws here and I personally am okay taking a gamble by saying there was no bussing during this voting snapshot. That gives us the above assumptions I just listed out, which are extremely helpful for narrowing things down.
I still think this holds true. Therefore, I think Insig is decent lynch option. If he flips town, that would (in my opinion) mean that ddevans, immortal feud, and RootRanger are all town. I also think I'm town, so in my eyes that would give us 4 guaranteed town which should make the game very winnable at this point. If Insig flips town, that's quite unfortunate but I think that means immortal feud is almost definitely mafia then.
Just my current thoughts. Not sure if I'm going to follow through with this, but I'll at least place my vote.
Linkcat (3) - Mobian, mathman101, ddevans96
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - shockcannon
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 07:35:11 am
any last words?
Post by: ddevans96 on June 08, 2019, 07:50:12 am
3 votes on link again hmm
any last words?
We're less than halfway through the phase. It's unwise to declare someone dead too early.
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2019, 12:26:34 pm
forgot to address one thing: when did IW block you Calindu?
He didn't specifically block me, as Queen resolves before Guard, but he attempted to. I guess you are not following the game after all.
hmmmSo be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.I would rather have avoided my immortality being revealed, but I will confirm. Thanks, dd.Except I didn't target you.
Linkcat (1) - Mobian
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
mathman101 (1) - ddevans96
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
What is the reasoning for this? Is this just an OMGUS vote?
Because from the quotes, I don't get how a vote on me would make any bit of sense. It just confirms that either a second Anubis is present and targeted Linkcat, or dd is lying. Yes, I did send a firefly your way, to try to get more information.
Moreover, I never said we should lynch you now, I just want you to feel pressured to be actually contributing to the discussion, and if you still refuse to say anything useful, I guess that might point towards lynching you.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:43:55 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2019, 12:45:03 pm
i hope i understand how your ability works, when did you send the firefly to me?
Last night.
Post by: immortal feud on June 08, 2019, 12:54:42 pm
last person that voted on me and when asked about it said it was to pressure me for information was mafia, i wonder if the same is happening again.
Post by: Calindu on June 08, 2019, 01:47:41 pm
hmm indeed.
last person that voted on me and when asked about it said it was to pressure me for information was mafia, i wonder if the same is happening again.
So you are free to be useless all damn game just because someone that questioned you earlier turned out to be mafia? Sorry, but this is not how the game is played. If everyone is defensive and uses stupid excuses like this one, we'll never actually reach any conclusion and we'll just slowly lose. Like I said, I just wanted some info, something we can use, out of you, and you refusing to do the bare minimum makes no sense. Because of this, I actually changed my stance, I believe lynching you might not be the worst thing ever. At least Linkcat is still providing useful information to the town, even if he might be mafia.
Post by: immortal feud on June 09, 2019, 12:14:59 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 09, 2019, 06:16:02 am
@Calindu - I see you as the most trusted civ player, and I want to vote with you, but I think Linkcat is way more likely mafia than immortal feud. You especially should recognize this, being the other FFQ. Mafia has been killing fairly powerful civ roles each night - I think they have an information secondary role, and if it's not you, it's likely Linkcat. The revelation that Espithel was mafia only justifies my suspicion of Linkcat, since he diverted the vote from Espi on Day 1. How likely do you consider it that Linkcat is civ?
Linkcat (4) - Mobian, mathman101, ddevans96, RootRanger
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat
immortal feud (1) - Calindu
Calindu (1) - immortal feud
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - shockcannon
Post by: RootRanger on June 09, 2019, 06:21:02 am
The moehrpi lynch still bugs me, since he died before getting the chance to dump his info. Linkcat likely has even more info, and while I think it's fairly likely he's mafia, we could be wrong, and I'd like to at least hear what he's learned this game.
Post by: shockcannon on June 09, 2019, 06:46:33 am
Second, Ginyu is claiming to cover for graboid but everyone left alive has already voted multiple times. Ginyu is currently covering for exactly 0 people. Which means mafia are just ignore him if he’s graboid since he’s not voting anyways. Mafia was targeting inactives earlier and they never hit a graboid or killed Ginyu. Maybe they used secondary roles to find graboid? Who knows but a little suspicious. Lot of earlier claims of people town reading Ginyu. Why the heck is anyone town reading Ginyu. He’s gone completely under the radar and hasn’t voted in what were several crucial and close votes. And what happened to insig? I know he’s online fairly often so it’s not like he’s been unable to vote or offer input. Ever since day 2 he just dropped off everyone’s radar. What’s going on here?
Day 3 we lynched moehrpi. I was a prime target because I was hurting town. Would mafia vote me up? Probably not, keeping me around helped them at them while I was being stupid. Town already had tons of votes in me, no need to add on. Then almost as a gift, a moehrpi vote starts. Several confirmed townies were in on that vote because they thought I was town. Did mafia orchestrate that? Perhaps. Could of been Linkcat. But they have no need or pressure to support either vote. Moehrpi or shock was a win win. Both would kill town, both would fail to reveal any info (obviously if you think I’m mafia, me flipping mafia would reveal info so I acknowledge that). Several people sat out of the vote completely that day. I think at least 1 maybe 2 mafia are just sitting back and chilling.
I see the reasons for Linkcat as mafia. I still think Linkcat and ddevans both being town is an option though. I’m not going to try to start a last minute vote on someone who won’t be there to talk at deadline, but honestly I don’t think that’s a good excuse this late in the game. Everyone should be fair game, and if Linkcat flips town I really think we need to be pushing for an Insig/Ginyu lynch ASAP. Don’t pull the idiot move of lynching ddevans if Linkcat flips town.
Post by: shockcannon on June 09, 2019, 06:54:52 am
Now, if Linkcat flips town I think it’s more likely for Insig/Ginyu to also be town but I don’t think they’re cleared either. Could still be mafia sitting back and laughing while town just votes each other and never suspects the quiet ones. I realize the mistake in lynching moehrpi, but people who are relatively quiet need to be pressured otherwise we get situations like this where we only suspect and vote up active players, ignoring the potential for mafia to feign inactivity.
Post by: Linkcat on June 09, 2019, 07:31:03 am
@Linkcat - it's fairly likely you'll be lynched today, considering how the voting is going and the general suspicion on you. If we're wrong, and you're civ, who were your targets and what information did you get?
My firefly reported that RootRanger is a noob. Not sure what that means, I'm not really familiar with all the abilities.
Post by: Calindu on June 09, 2019, 12:36:20 pm
@Calindu - I see you as the most trusted civ player, and I want to vote with you, but I think Linkcat is way more likely mafia than immortal feud. You especially should recognize this, being the other FFQ. Mafia has been killing fairly powerful civ roles each night - I think they have an information secondary role, and if it's not you, it's likely Linkcat. The revelation that Espithel was mafia only justifies my suspicion of Linkcat, since he diverted the vote from Espi on Day 1. How likely do you consider it that Linkcat is civ?
Mafia NKed a Seraph, 2 Otyughs and the Golden Nymph so far. They killed the second Otyugh and the Golden Nymph because they were confirmed, so I doubt mafia has been killing the more powerful roles. Now if we consider which fireflies have been caught and what Linkcat claimed, I believe we know most of his targets, as someone lying about catching a firefly makes little sense:
N0: dd
N1: ian
N2: ? (Don't know or don't remember)
N3: kaempfer
N4: RootRanger
Now not knowing the N2 target doesn't matter, since the N3 and N4 NKs have been on the confirmed civvies.
I still believe Linkcat is likely to be mafia, but it's not because of his role, it's because of how he diverted the vote from Espithel and, most importantly, his interaction with dd, making me believe one of them is mafia. Now I did say that I can always switch my vote on Linkcat if needed, and I still intend to do this if I see mafia is trying to change the vote late into the phase, but there is no way to win if half of the remaining players are terribly AFK or outright refuse to do anything but vote 'for the memes'. That's why my vote is on feud atm, was hoping me might start playing, but instead he found a dumb reason for an OMGUS vote and that was it.
Post by: Calindu on June 09, 2019, 12:43:39 pm
[2019-06-09 00:42:51] ddevans96: ‹@Calindu› what do you think is the most likely mafia team?
[2019-06-09 00:50:07] Calindu: ‹@ddevans96› Playing some OW with a friend, will comment on it later
[2019-06-09 01:31:29] Calindu: ‹@ddevans96› Ok, so I feel like it's Linkcat/you, shock, feud/IW
[2019-06-09 01:31:40] Calindu: Though I'm really not sure about the third one
Post by: Calindu on June 09, 2019, 05:29:17 pm
[18:03:40] ‹shockcannon› Mobian, Calindu, Insig, ddevans
[18:04:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ?
[18:04:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› Yes
[18:14:15] ‹shockcannon› Are we sure about linkcat?
[18:14:32] ‹shockcannon› I know you think I’m mafia but consider my posts
[18:14:48] ‹shockcannon› I’m okay with linkcat lynch as long as we are aware of the situation and pissibilities
[18:15:05] ‹Calindu› I read your posts, you have actually been helpful this phhase
[18:15:15] ‹Calindu› I don't know, really, I believe he's the best bet
[18:15:33] ‹Calindu› That's why I wanted to see the others at least try to be useful
[18:16:01] ‹ddevans96› Yeah, regardless of what Link flips, we have a lot to consider
[18:20:14] ‹ddevans96› log this btw
[18:21:41] ‹shockcannon› I feel like insig flip tells us a lot as well but this is fine
[18:22:14] ‹shockcannon› I’m pretty sold though that if link flips mafia one or both of insig and Ginyu are also mafia
[18:24:01] ‹shockcannon› Also root kinda bothers me
[18:24:26] ‹shockcannon› I know he tunneled me because of previous mistakes, but I think he’s been quite unhelpful to town and continues to be unhelpful
[18:24:49] ‹Calindu› I found his post this round quite strange tbh
[18:24:57] ‹shockcannon› I think he’s town but I don’t want to disregard any possibility that he’s Mafia and playing us hard
[18:25:14] ‹Calindu› Since mafia didn't kill any power role because they found it with a secondary role
[18:26:13] ‹shockcannon› Yeah idk what’s up with root
[18:26:30] ‹shockcannon› He also kind of stopped going after me this round and just joined with link
[18:26:49] ‹shockcannon› I know he thinks link is also mafia but still strange as he’s been pushing me as number 1 priority for so ling
[18:26:54] ‹Calindu› I just believe he's not paying full attention tbh
[18:27:04] ‹shockcannon› That’s likely
[18:27:36] ‹shockcannon› Also can you post chat log?
[18:27:51] ‹Calindu› Yeah, will do
[18:04:07] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ?
[18:04:33] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› Yes
[18:14:15] ‹shockcannon› Are we sure about linkcat?
[18:14:32] ‹shockcannon› I know you think I’m mafia but consider my posts
[18:14:48] ‹shockcannon› I’m okay with linkcat lynch as long as we are aware of the situation and pissibilities
[18:15:05] ‹Calindu› I read your posts, you have actually been helpful this phhase
[18:15:15] ‹Calindu› I don't know, really, I believe he's the best bet
[18:15:33] ‹Calindu› That's why I wanted to see the others at least try to be useful
[18:16:01] ‹ddevans96› Yeah, regardless of what Link flips, we have a lot to consider
[18:20:14] ‹ddevans96› log this btw
[18:21:41] ‹shockcannon› I feel like insig flip tells us a lot as well but this is fine
[18:22:14] ‹shockcannon› I’m pretty sold though that if link flips mafia one or both of insig and Ginyu are also mafia
[18:24:01] ‹shockcannon› Also root kinda bothers me
[18:24:26] ‹shockcannon› I know he tunneled me because of previous mistakes, but I think he’s been quite unhelpful to town and continues to be unhelpful
[18:24:49] ‹Calindu› I found his post this round quite strange tbh
[18:24:57] ‹shockcannon› I think he’s town but I don’t want to disregard any possibility that he’s Mafia and playing us hard
[18:25:14] ‹Calindu› Since mafia didn't kill any power role because they found it with a secondary role
[18:26:13] ‹shockcannon› Yeah idk what’s up with root
[18:26:30] ‹shockcannon› He also kind of stopped going after me this round and just joined with link
[18:26:49] ‹shockcannon› I know he thinks link is also mafia but still strange as he’s been pushing me as number 1 priority for so ling
[18:26:54] ‹Calindu› I just believe he's not paying full attention tbh
[18:27:04] ‹shockcannon› That’s likely
[18:27:36] ‹shockcannon› Also can you post chat log?
[18:27:51] ‹Calindu› Yeah, will do
Post by: Submachine on June 09, 2019, 06:00:41 pm
Night 5
Linkcat died. He was Fire Queen and a Firefly Queen.
| People in danger of modkill: Ginyu |
Ack! Wait.. this was not supposed to happen. Mortals, you seriously think you can stop us?
Meanwhile in Elemental Land:
*doing something entirely different*
- Nothing is better than playing 12 Lives, applying for Brawl and listening to some music of the day.
*looks at phone notification*
- Oh, we got one? Cool.
*goes back to playing whetever else*
Meanwhile in Elemental Land:
*doing something entirely different*
- Nothing is better than playing 12 Lives, applying for Brawl and listening to some music of the day.
*looks at phone notification*
- Oh, we got one? Cool.
*goes back to playing whetever else*
Night 5 has ended.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 09, 2019, 06:09:18 pm
Post by: Mobian on June 09, 2019, 06:11:55 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 09, 2019, 06:39:11 pm
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 09, 2019, 08:49:42 pm
[21:03:39] ‹Mobian› 2 mafia in 2 turns
[21:14:31] ‹Mobian› I think we should look at math
[21:14:54] ‹Calindu› I have a theory I'm going to post this night phase
[21:15:38] ‹Mobian› Looking forward to it
[22:45:55] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Mobian› my preference is IW
[22:46:02] ‹ddevans96› I think it lines up, my scumread on IW aside
[22:46:20] ‹ddevans96› it makes sense, and if it doesn't, he's actually pretty well-tied into the connections web, per shock's post
[22:46:38] ‹ddevans96› it makes sense, and if he isn't*, to be clear
[22:57:17] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› Sounds good. I'll dig deep, see what kinda reads I get upon review.
Post by: Mobian on June 09, 2019, 09:11:28 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 09, 2019, 11:02:58 pm
[23:35:23] ‹serprex› ‹@Wyand› in one scenario both players will likely lose elements. In your scenario one of them loses none
[23:36:25] ‹serprex› ‹@Wyand› Should at least say "If you lose with Element X during match, cannot use that element for rest of
[23:43:32] ‹Wyand› ‹@serprex› 1 player with less lives would have to play against a really good player (iancu or moe). I think that's against how the event should go. Less lives vs. less lives.
[23:52:20] ‹serprex› ‹@Wyand› You're saying 3rd place shouldn't go against 2nd
[23:54:05] ‹serprex› Except that's still what happens when you give one of 1st/2nd a bye
[23:55:17] ‹serprex› If 3rd wants to win event, they too also don't want 1st or 2nd getting a bye
[23:56:12] ‹Wyand› iancu and moe both having 5 lives now
[23:56:32] ‹serprex› so?
[23:56:46] ‹serprex› "iancu/moehrpi - Weeaboo/PlayerOa/immortal" your scenario doesn't stop a layer with less lives having to go vs ian or moe
[23:57:11] ‹Wyand› what was your original proposition? wasn't it "let's make them play and the loser play again"?
[23:57:30] ‹serprex› It was that ian vs moe happens
[23:57:37] ‹Wyand› or the winner?
[23:57:43] ‹serprex› Then two of wee/poa/imm go vs each other
[23:58:31] ‹serprex› Then ian/moe have a parallel match vs the one left out of wee/poa/imm, which plays as if ian/moe doesn't exist, & which afterwards the player there who's either ian or moe doesn't lose any lives from that
[23:59:06] ‹Wyand› hm
[23:59:10] ‹serprex› This makes it so each player has a match next round with someone they'd potentially be faced off against if there was a bye given to ian or moe, without having to give a bye to ian or moe
[23:59:17] ‹PlayerOa› I'm aboard with serp's suggestion
[23:59:43] ‹serprex› Someone post this to mafia thread
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 09, 2019, 11:04:34 pm
Post by: immortal feud on June 09, 2019, 11:53:51 pm
@Calindu - I see you as the most trusted civ player, and I want to vote with you, but I think Linkcat is way more likely mafia than immortal feud. You especially should recognize this, being the other FFQ. Mafia has been killing fairly powerful civ roles each night - I think they have an information secondary role, and if it's not you, it's likely Linkcat. The revelation that Espithel was mafia only justifies my suspicion of Linkcat, since he diverted the vote from Espi on Day 1. How likely do you consider it that Linkcat is civ?
Mafia NKed a Seraph, 2 Otyughs and the Golden Nymph so far. They killed the second Otyugh and the Golden Nymph because they were confirmed, so I doubt mafia has been killing the more powerful roles. Now if we consider which fireflies have been caught and what Linkcat claimed, I believe we know most of his targets, as someone lying about catching a firefly makes little sense:
N0: dd
N1: ian
N2: ? (Don't know or don't remember)
N3: kaempfer
N4: RootRanger
Now not knowing the N2 target doesn't matter, since the N3 and N4 NKs have been on the confirmed civvies.
I still believe Linkcat is likely to be mafia, but it's not because of his role, it's because of how he diverted the vote from Espithel and, most importantly, his interaction with dd, making me believe one of them is mafia. Now I did say that I can always switch my vote on Linkcat if needed, and I still intend to do this if I see mafia is trying to change the vote late into the phase, but there is no way to win if half of the remaining players are terribly AFK or outright refuse to do anything but vote 'for the memes'. That's why my vote is on feud atm, was hoping me might start playing, but instead he found a dumb reason for an OMGUS vote and that was it.
what makes you think link targeted root night4?
Post by: Linkcat on June 10, 2019, 01:40:54 am
Post by: Calindu on June 10, 2019, 08:41:28 pm
what makes you think link targeted root night4?
@Linkcat - it's fairly likely you'll be lynched today, considering how the voting is going and the general suspicion on you. If we're wrong, and you're civ, who were your targets and what information did you get?
My firefly reported that RootRanger is a noob. Not sure what that means, I'm not really familiar with all the abilities.
But it doesn't matter, the point I was making only needed the first 2 targets.
Post by: Calindu on June 10, 2019, 08:52:10 pm
Please recall that Linkcat got targeted by an Anubis N2, so we know that mafia having an Anubis is likely. dd claimed he didn't target him, and I believe him. I can also believe that if there is a mafia Anubis, they would target, one by one, the other mafia members, finishing N3.
Here's the list of remaining alive players, with their roles if claimed:
5. immortal_feud - ?
7. ddevans96 - Anubis
9. InsignificantWeeaboo - Warden
12. Mobian - Gravity Nymph
14. mathman101 - ?
15. RootRanger - ?
16. shockcannon - Mind Flayer
17. Ginyu - ?
18. Calindu - FFQ
Also, my targets have been as following:
N0: Linkcat
N1: MW
N2: RootRanger
N3: mathman
N4: immortal_feud
So if the mafia Anubis theory is correct, this means that neither RootRanger, nor mathman are the mafia Anubis we are looking for. Assuming all the claimed roles are correct, this leaves only Ginyu and immortal_feud left, so I propose to lynch one of them next.
Post by: immortal feud on June 11, 2019, 12:38:37 am
so it was just that, my ability failed on rootwhat makes you think link targeted root night4?@Linkcat - it's fairly likely you'll be lynched today, considering how the voting is going and the general suspicion on you. If we're wrong, and you're civ, who were your targets and what information did you get?
My firefly reported that RootRanger is a noob. Not sure what that means, I'm not really familiar with all the abilities.
But it doesn't matter, the point I was making only needed the first 2 targets.
Post by: immortal feud on June 11, 2019, 01:25:20 am
[12:33:51] ‹Mobian› Shock, if you're really town, flay insig.
[12:37:57] ‹Calindu› Why does insig's ability have to be stopped?
[12:40:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. P...put...put your mouse on it...
[12:40:28] ‹immortal_feud› mobian can i have momentum?
[12:41:45] ‹Calindu› What even is your ability that's so important you need momentum?
[12:41:56] Mobian joined.
[12:42:20] ‹immortal_feud› might find out if i die
[12:42:47] ‹immortal_feud› i dont even know if my ability is any good
[12:42:54] ‹Calindu› You probably won't die, if you are not mafia, you are not useful
[12:42:59] ‹Calindu› So why ask for momentum?
[12:43:26] Mobian left.
[12:43:44] Mobian joined.
[12:44:40] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› I don't want him blocking anyone else
[12:45:10] ‹Calindu› But who to block? He can't block me, Anubis is not useful now
[12:45:28] ‹immortal_feud› why isnt it?
[12:45:29] ‹Calindu› And most other roles we don't know, but no role is that strong that it needs to not be blocked
[12:46:41] ‹Mobian› ‹@immortal_feud› I haven't decided who I'm buffing yet. Why should I choose you?
[12:46:50] ‹immortal_feud› town has a nice majority now right? shouldnt less blocks be protown?
[12:47:19] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Mobian› so i can be useful :)
[12:47:50] ‹immortal_feud› but if you somehow still have other targets in mind dw bout it
[12:47:52] ‹Mobian› That's rather vague
[12:48:25] ‹immortal_feud› vauge is protown right
[12:48:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 6 + 9 + 4 + 3 = 23 ...
[12:48:32] ‹Calindu› Less block is not protown with how the abilities have been used this game
[12:49:07] ‹Mobian› Who would you target with an unstoppable ability?
[12:49:20] ‹immortal_feud› hmm perhaps
[12:49:28] ‹immortal_feud› read my post mobian?
[12:49:32] ‹Calindu› Probably no one
[12:49:41] ‹Calindu› You can't know for sure who is town
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[12:50:39] ‹immortal_feud› i suspect hes immortal but im not sure on that deduction
[12:50:59] ‹Calindu› You suspect who is immortal?
[12:51:00] Mobian left.
[12:51:09] ‹shockcannon› there's another mind flayer
[12:51:13] ‹shockcannon› i was blocked 2 nights in a row
[12:51:21] ‹shockcannon› i didn't even try using my ability last night
[12:51:24] Mobian joined.
[12:51:39] ‹Calindu› So a flayer can block another flayer?
[12:51:48] ‹Calindu› Doesn't make much sense tbh
[12:51:49] ‹shockcannon› yeah
[12:51:53] ‹immortal_feud› why would you not try?
[12:51:55] ‹shockcannon› i'm pretty sure its root that just thinks i'm mafia
[12:52:12] ‹shockcannon› and even if i block the other mind flayer i wouldn't know
[12:52:14] ‹immortal_feud› you could find the other flayer by targeting flayer-flayer right?
[12:52:15] ‹Calindu› ‹@immortal_feud› Try what? Explain your point
[12:52:20] ‹shockcannon› because we'll just both get a message saying our ability failed
[12:52:39] ‹immortal_feud› oh i thought the notification for flayer vs flayer was different
[12:53:05] ‹shockcannon› hold on
[12:53:06] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Calindu› using his ability
[12:53:08] ‹shockcannon› i'm updating my forum game now
[12:53:30] ‹Calindu› [01:50:39] ‹immortal_feud› i suspect hes immortal but im not sure on that deduction [01:50:59] ‹Calindu› You suspect who is immortal?
[12:53:54] ‹Mobian› Root
[12:54:25] ‹immortal_feud› [12:49:07] ‹Mobian› Who would you target with an unstoppable ability? [12:49:20] ‹immortal_feud› hmm perhaps [12:49:28] ‹immortal_feud› read my post mobian?
[12:54:28] ‹immortal_feud› [12:48:25] ‹immortal_feud› vauge is protown right
[12:54:36] ‹immortal_feud› :)
[12:54:44] ‹Calindu› But Root was not even in discussion at that point
[12:54:45] Mobian left.
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[12:55:17] ‹immortal_feud› root to be blunt then
[12:55:37] InsignificantWeeaboo left.
[12:55:44] InsignificantWeeaboo joined.
[12:55:51] ‹Mobian› What category does your role fall under?
[12:56:08] ‹immortal_feud› protown
[12:56:30] ‹immortal_feud› trying to not get murdered here
[12:56:38] ‹Calindu› Lmao, this whole interaction is a joke
[12:57:58] ‹immortal_feud› how do you read calindu mobian?
[12:58:55] ‹Mobian› More town than you right now, tbh
[12:59:17] ‹immortal_feud› fair
[13:02:27] ‹immortal_feud› at least pray i can be useful then
[13:03:02] ‹Mobian› You know what? Calindu, put a fly on feud
[13:03:47] ‹Mobian› His ability WILL fire, and if he kills a town, we'll know
[13:04:55] ‹Mobian› Shock, flay insig to prevent anymore shenanigans
[13:04:56] ‹Calindu› You don't need a damn ability to be useful
[13:05:13] ‹Calindu› And I'll consider it, but will not guarantee it
[13:07:23] ‹Mobian› Please do
[13:08:20] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Mobian› how town do you think shock is tho
[13:09:41] ‹shockcannon› wait
[13:09:46] ‹shockcannon› can FFQ see NK?
[13:09:51] ‹shockcannon› i thought NK is untraceable
[13:10:26] ‹Calindu› Idk
[13:10:34] ‹immortal_feud› apparently it does show but i dont think it offers any information
[13:10:52] ‹immortal_feud› link mentioned seeing NK right?
[13:10:57] ‹Calindu› I think it can see if you got NKed
[13:11:22] ‹immortal_feud› also was anyone else bothered by linkcat being a ffq and fire queen
[13:11:39] ‹immortal_feud› when espi was green nymph but a paradox?
[13:17:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› lynch shock
[13:17:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› sorry, sacrifice shock
[13:17:29] ‹shockcannon› :D
[13:17:39] ‹shockcannon› D:
[13:18:05] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian›
[13:18:07] ‹Mobian› ‹@immortal_feud› Jury is still out on shock. Cooperation will earn him points
[13:18:10] ‹shockcannon› lets have a talk
[13:18:15] ‹shockcannon› lol
[13:18:17] ‹shockcannon› earn points
[12:37:57] ‹Calindu› Why does insig's ability have to be stopped?
[12:40:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. P...put...put your mouse on it...
[12:40:28] ‹immortal_feud› mobian can i have momentum?
[12:41:45] ‹Calindu› What even is your ability that's so important you need momentum?
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[12:42:20] ‹immortal_feud› might find out if i die
[12:42:47] ‹immortal_feud› i dont even know if my ability is any good
[12:42:54] ‹Calindu› You probably won't die, if you are not mafia, you are not useful
[12:42:59] ‹Calindu› So why ask for momentum?
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[12:44:40] ‹Mobian› ‹@Calindu› I don't want him blocking anyone else
[12:45:10] ‹Calindu› But who to block? He can't block me, Anubis is not useful now
[12:45:28] ‹immortal_feud› why isnt it?
[12:45:29] ‹Calindu› And most other roles we don't know, but no role is that strong that it needs to not be blocked
[12:46:41] ‹Mobian› ‹@immortal_feud› I haven't decided who I'm buffing yet. Why should I choose you?
[12:46:50] ‹immortal_feud› town has a nice majority now right? shouldnt less blocks be protown?
[12:47:19] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Mobian› so i can be useful :)
[12:47:50] ‹immortal_feud› but if you somehow still have other targets in mind dw bout it
[12:47:52] ‹Mobian› That's rather vague
[12:48:25] ‹immortal_feud› vauge is protown right
[12:48:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 1 + 6 + 9 + 4 + 3 = 23 ...
[12:48:32] ‹Calindu› Less block is not protown with how the abilities have been used this game
[12:49:07] ‹Mobian› Who would you target with an unstoppable ability?
[12:49:20] ‹immortal_feud› hmm perhaps
[12:49:28] ‹immortal_feud› read my post mobian?
[12:49:32] ‹Calindu› Probably no one
[12:49:41] ‹Calindu› You can't know for sure who is town
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[12:50:39] ‹immortal_feud› i suspect hes immortal but im not sure on that deduction
[12:50:59] ‹Calindu› You suspect who is immortal?
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[12:51:09] ‹shockcannon› there's another mind flayer
[12:51:13] ‹shockcannon› i was blocked 2 nights in a row
[12:51:21] ‹shockcannon› i didn't even try using my ability last night
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[12:51:39] ‹Calindu› So a flayer can block another flayer?
[12:51:48] ‹Calindu› Doesn't make much sense tbh
[12:51:49] ‹shockcannon› yeah
[12:51:53] ‹immortal_feud› why would you not try?
[12:51:55] ‹shockcannon› i'm pretty sure its root that just thinks i'm mafia
[12:52:12] ‹shockcannon› and even if i block the other mind flayer i wouldn't know
[12:52:14] ‹immortal_feud› you could find the other flayer by targeting flayer-flayer right?
[12:52:15] ‹Calindu› ‹@immortal_feud› Try what? Explain your point
[12:52:20] ‹shockcannon› because we'll just both get a message saying our ability failed
[12:52:39] ‹immortal_feud› oh i thought the notification for flayer vs flayer was different
[12:53:05] ‹shockcannon› hold on
[12:53:06] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Calindu› using his ability
[12:53:08] ‹shockcannon› i'm updating my forum game now
[12:53:30] ‹Calindu› [01:50:39] ‹immortal_feud› i suspect hes immortal but im not sure on that deduction [01:50:59] ‹Calindu› You suspect who is immortal?
[12:53:54] ‹Mobian› Root
[12:54:25] ‹immortal_feud› [12:49:07] ‹Mobian› Who would you target with an unstoppable ability? [12:49:20] ‹immortal_feud› hmm perhaps [12:49:28] ‹immortal_feud› read my post mobian?
[12:54:28] ‹immortal_feud› [12:48:25] ‹immortal_feud› vauge is protown right
[12:54:36] ‹immortal_feud› :)
[12:54:44] ‹Calindu› But Root was not even in discussion at that point
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[12:55:17] ‹immortal_feud› root to be blunt then
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[12:55:51] ‹Mobian› What category does your role fall under?
[12:56:08] ‹immortal_feud› protown
[12:56:30] ‹immortal_feud› trying to not get murdered here
[12:56:38] ‹Calindu› Lmao, this whole interaction is a joke
[12:57:58] ‹immortal_feud› how do you read calindu mobian?
[12:58:55] ‹Mobian› More town than you right now, tbh
[12:59:17] ‹immortal_feud› fair
[13:02:27] ‹immortal_feud› at least pray i can be useful then
[13:03:02] ‹Mobian› You know what? Calindu, put a fly on feud
[13:03:47] ‹Mobian› His ability WILL fire, and if he kills a town, we'll know
[13:04:55] ‹Mobian› Shock, flay insig to prevent anymore shenanigans
[13:04:56] ‹Calindu› You don't need a damn ability to be useful
[13:05:13] ‹Calindu› And I'll consider it, but will not guarantee it
[13:07:23] ‹Mobian› Please do
[13:08:20] ‹immortal_feud› ‹@Mobian› how town do you think shock is tho
[13:09:41] ‹shockcannon› wait
[13:09:46] ‹shockcannon› can FFQ see NK?
[13:09:51] ‹shockcannon› i thought NK is untraceable
[13:10:26] ‹Calindu› Idk
[13:10:34] ‹immortal_feud› apparently it does show but i dont think it offers any information
[13:10:52] ‹immortal_feud› link mentioned seeing NK right?
[13:10:57] ‹Calindu› I think it can see if you got NKed
[13:11:22] ‹immortal_feud› also was anyone else bothered by linkcat being a ffq and fire queen
[13:11:39] ‹immortal_feud› when espi was green nymph but a paradox?
[13:17:22] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› lynch shock
[13:17:28] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› sorry, sacrifice shock
[13:17:29] ‹shockcannon› :D
[13:17:39] ‹shockcannon› D:
[13:18:05] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian›
[13:18:07] ‹Mobian› ‹@immortal_feud› Jury is still out on shock. Cooperation will earn him points
[13:18:10] ‹shockcannon› lets have a talk
[13:18:15] ‹shockcannon› lol
[13:18:17] ‹shockcannon› earn points
Post by: RootRanger on June 11, 2019, 02:43:13 am
so it was just that, my ability failed on rootHave an idea of what your role might be. Requesting that you target me again tonight. Unless you're a kill role lol
@Roleblockers, please, please, stop using your roles for once :/
Also, I'm not immaterial. I might have been Wardened last night?
Post by: immortal feud on June 11, 2019, 09:41:36 am
Post by: Ginyu on June 11, 2019, 01:05:17 pm
Ok, so I'm posting this in case I die this night phase.
Please recall that Linkcat got targeted by an Anubis N2, so we know that mafia having an Anubis is likely. dd claimed he didn't target him, and I believe him. I can also believe that if there is a mafia Anubis, they would target, one by one, the other mafia members, finishing N3.
How would they've been done on N3? From what I see, Anubis is EoR.
I can roleclaim if you really wanted me to, but I would prefer not to.
Post by: Calindu on June 11, 2019, 01:21:14 pm
Ok, so I'm posting this in case I die this night phase.
Please recall that Linkcat got targeted by an Anubis N2, so we know that mafia having an Anubis is likely. dd claimed he didn't target him, and I believe him. I can also believe that if there is a mafia Anubis, they would target, one by one, the other mafia members, finishing N3.
How would they've been done on N3? From what I see, Anubis is EoR.
I can roleclaim if you really wanted me to, but I would prefer not to.
Oh, that's a mistake on my part, nice catch.
This changes some things, as the Anubis has either not finished targeting the whole mafia, or finished last night (Depends on whether they targeted Espithel or not).
This means that immortal_feud can't be the Anubis, while mathman can.
Post by: Mobian on June 11, 2019, 02:06:21 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 11, 2019, 02:10:38 pm
Status Effects
You are notified when you gain a status effect, except for Poison which notifies you on the Night you die.
Status effects are permanent, unless it's mentioned otherwise.
Burrowed - You may not vote or be targeted by any ability. Burrowed players do not count towards parity. Voting while Burrowed without Adrenaline results in death.
Poisoned - You die at the end of the second Night Phase after you were poisoned.
Frozen - You may not vote or use any secondary ability. Wears off at the end of the Day Phase.
Adrenaline - You ignore the Frozen status and you can not be Guarded, you may vote while Burrowed, and you die immediately when Poisoned.
Immaterial - You may not be targeted by any secondary ability. Wears off after death.
Momentum - The activations and effects of your abilities can not be prevented or redirected, unless the target is Burrowed. However, being Frozen or Guarded can still block your ability. Momentum does not help abilities that would normally fail (no consecutive Heals). Ignores Immaterial.
Post by: Espithel on June 11, 2019, 02:11:10 pm
Forgot I'm dead
Linkcat pls punish
Post by: Submachine on June 11, 2019, 05:59:09 pm
Day 6
Immortal_feud died. He was an Elemental and a Crusader and a Golden Nymph.
| People in danger of modkill: noone |
Day 6 has ended.
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 11, 2019, 07:13:36 pm
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 11, 2019, 07:16:20 pm
Post by: immortal feud on June 12, 2019, 12:40:09 am
gl town
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 12:50:23 am
I was going to post the following:
I'm inclined to think the following exchange was feud softclaiming extra Nymph and showing an investigation of Cal as mafia:
[15:18:50] ‹immortal_feud› dd how much should i reveal when answering your question
[15:18:58] ‹immortal_feud› bbs
[15:22:17] ‹ddevans96› don't claim role
[15:24:26] ‹ddevans96› answer the question to the best of your ability, without actually giving anything away
[15:25:15] ‹ddevans96› if that makes sense
[15:25:25] ‹ddevans96› there's some nuance, it's hard to explain exactly what I would doWhat about that situation leads you to vote on Cal?
simply i caught a firefly and dont know what about that piece of information justifies lynching me
It is very possible that feud could actually just be what we've been calling 'bad town', so I'm opening to not immediately lynching Cal (I would be comfortable with any lynch but Root), but this is the direction I'm advocating for.
But feud's death post kinda just dumps on that.
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
The game has been compromised five or six times and I'm beyond stressed because of it, I'm just gonna put my vote on IW because he was my first scumread and because we've established an information web regarding him, and not talk a lot lot more right now.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 12:50:57 am
Post by: Mobian on June 12, 2019, 01:52:22 am
Post by: RootRanger on June 12, 2019, 04:26:53 am
1.) ddevans claimed Anubis but said he did not target anyone
2.) mathman, Ginyu, and I have yet to role reveal
3.) Linkcat was immaterialized in Night 2 (I think?), meaning the Anubis plausibly self-targeted on Night 0
4.) IW's target failed on Ginyu
So, can anyone confirm or deny whether ddevans is immaterial? Same goes for mathman and Ginyu.
Initially I thought that ddevans was the Anubis who targeted Linkcat (and, by extension, likely a fellow mafia). This was the simplest explanation - he made an honest roleclaim early in the game when he was unsure if there were any Psions in the game, but lied about never targeting Linkcat to avoid drawing suspicion.
Now, I'm less sure, with IW's target on Ginyu failing. It could be shock, or it could be that Ginyu was an Anubis who self-targeted. It could be a second mind flayer, but with so few roles unrevealed, I'm skeptical that one exists.
The tricky part is that IW could be a mafia lying to throw us off. Part of me wants to lynch IW - if he turns up civ, at least we know he was telling the truth. But then the mafia Anubis could still be between ddevans/Ginyu, or it could be that IW was roleblocked by shock and math is the Anubis.
At the very least, I'd like to know who shock targeted last night. If he targeted IW, this clears things up a little bit.
We could try targeting ddevans+Ginyu+mathman tonight with the various roles we have, and see what fails and what succeeds. But, in the meantime, we still need a lynch for today.
I still support the shock lynch. Seeing Linkcat and Espithel turn mafia only reinforces my conviction. We saw on Day 1 that Linkcat diverted focus from Espithel. He's done similarly with shock, claiming he's an almost guaranteed civ, pushing votes away from him. And when shock fakeclaimed GN, it put the civs at serious risk of having the real GN counterclaim, thus preemptively revealing their role. I really can't reiterate this enough. The last mafia may still be ddevans, but it could be Ginyu as well. But we can get more info on the immaterial situation tonight, so I'd rather delay that decision if possible. Yes, I'm "tunneling" shock, but that's because he's the most likely mafia based on solid reasoning.
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - ddevans96
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 04:36:02 am
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
Post by: mathman101 on June 12, 2019, 08:27:10 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
ddevans96 (1) - mathman101
I'm sorry, but I still feel like dd is mafia, and that he and link were playing the good cop / bad cop routine on us.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 09:02:27 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 09:05:49 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 12, 2019, 09:09:08 pm
I'm inclined to think the following exchange was feud softclaiming extra Nymph and showing an investigation of Cal as mafia:
Well, I believe it's pretty safe to assume feud targeted MW and got the GN N3, so the only night he could have investigated is N4, but he made it pretty clear he tried to target Root during N4.
There is the possibility that feud managed to get two investigations of, but that would require him targeting MW as early as N1, which is really hard to believe.
To be clear - lynch whoever you want, as long as it's not Root. I probably won't try to convince people otherwise.
Why specifically not Root? Feud's ability failing on Root, IW's claim that he targeted me, and shock's claim that he got targeted by the mind flayer 2 nights in a row makes me think that there is a good chance that Root is immaterial, despite claiming otherwise, and mafia.
Also, I don't like the lynch of IW, I think he's just making a bunch of mistakes, and we haven't lynched for that.
I believe we should just go for a lynch on Ginyu, as IW's ability failed on him, but I am also open to a lynch on mathman.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 09:20:20 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 09:29:15 pm
There is the possibility that feud managed to get two investigations of, but that would require him targeting MW as early as N1, which is really hard to believe.
I don't think it's that unlikely. Multiple people believed MW was GN based on his hard read on Espi Day 1. Maybe he was paying closer attention than he let on.
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Why specifically not Root? Feud's ability failing on Root, IW's claim that he targeted me, and shock's claim that he got targeted by the mind flayer 2 nights in a row makes me think that there is a good chance that Root is immaterial, despite claiming otherwise, and mafia.
Root is the only true town read I have the moment (some, including you, at neutral+, but no others at town), and the game situation (as you have outlined) is currently one that if I'm wrong and he's mafia, we will know sooner rather than later, with plenty of time to spare. He would have no room for error. As such, I would rather consider lynching him next round and look at other options this round.
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Also, I don't like the lynch of IW, I think he's just making a bunch of mistakes, and we haven't lynched for that.
We have exactly one lynch that wasn't 'orchestrated' or a confirmed mafia, and they flipped mafia. We're 1-for-1 on lynching people based off their play.
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I believe we should just go for a lynch on Ginyu, as IW's ability failed on him, but I am also open to a lynch on mathman.
I would prefer to lynch Ginyu over math, as well. I lean more town for math currently, because I highly doubt mafia would continue pushing a lynch on me at this stage of the game - me flipping town would look very bad for them.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 09:39:27 pm
So, if there is a town mind flayer who has been blocking me I really need you to reveal now, because that would mean that the person I was targeting was made invulnerable by the anubis. If no one reveals, I'm fairly confident mafia has a mindflayer. I'm almost certain that one of my targets between N3/N4 was NOT made invulnerable, which means I have to have been blocked by mindflayer.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 09:42:07 pm
Post by: Mobian on June 12, 2019, 09:49:11 pm
N3 and N4 I used by ability and it failed. This means that either mind flayer blocked me or I hit someone that was invulnerable. Both of my targets those nights role claimed and are not graboid unless lying. If the whole theory of a second anubis being in the game and being mafia, then I may have potentially found the mafia buddy of the anubis.
So, if there is a town mind flayer who has been blocking me I really need you to reveal now, because that would mean that the person I was targeting was made invulnerable by the anubis. If no one reveals, I'm fairly confident mafia has a mindflayer. I'm almost certain that one of my targets between N3/N4 was NOT made invulnerable, which means I have to have been blocked by mindflayer.
Your targets may have had momentum.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 09:53:30 pm
Post by: Mobian on June 12, 2019, 10:04:17 pm
Want to share who you gave momentum too then?
Not really. It's a defensive measure I put in place to prevent malicious roleblocking.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:22:41 pm
SOOOOOOOOOO, I again suggest that we all role claim. It appears mafia like has 2/3 of the following roles: mindflayer, anubis, psion.
There's only 3 players that haven't revealed. Either we catch them lying or they refuse to reveal and we lynch them. At this point, hiding roles or abilities used really doesn't do anything to help vs. mafia. There's only 3 unclaimed roles. If mafia has any doubt that they might be vulture/crusader GN, they're going to die kind of like how immortal just died. At this point, I really think the information benefits town more because we can look for lies or inconsistencies.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:26:05 pm
Hang on.
Espithel (1) - ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (4) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo, Calindu, Espithel
Kaempfer13 (1) - MasterWalks
Removed Calindu appearing twice.
I'll take the blame for that.
Here we have 4 votes that came out of nowhere on ddevans. Espithel was the top vote before that point. Also Linkcat votes Espithel up early, as a clear bus. Espithel also started the vote on InsignificantWeeaboo day 1, although brushing it aside as a joke.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:28:25 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:30:43 pm
Also, I don't like the lynch of IW, I think he's just making a bunch of mistakes, and we haven't lynched for that.
Guys, I literally found the 4 mafia.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:53:08 pm
EBWOP
- I think FFQs should reveal. I believe there are two and I think their information would be useful without having everyone else have to give away more roles. I know no wants a full role claim so we can keep roles hidden for now.
So be it, I'm FFQ and you are actually lying about targeting Linkcat, I'm not sure if you are lying about being GN.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
Espithel (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (2) - shockcannon, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - Calindu
I must admit I jumped too early on this, without even fact checking.
This right here is the only mention of second anubis. Has anyone actual hit an immaterial? If Linkcat, Calindu, and Insig are all mafia, how hard would it be for them to lie together? It's possible Linkcat actually used his ability on himself and saw that CoffeeDitto visited him. Then Calindu just makes the FFQ claim and gets confirmed by CoffeeDitto. This hides Calindu's actual role which could be psion or mind flayer. Then Calindu throws in the Anubis N3 claim to throw ddevans under the bus, who mafia have been trying to get killed the past two days as we can see from the votes by Linkcat and Espithel (and Calindu and Insig). Linkcat may have caught his own firefly N3, knowing they're safe to claim a random Anubis visit.
In addition, with fake Anubis out there and town unaware of a second mind flayer (which could be Calindu), Insig is free to claim that his ability failed the other night, pushing suspicion onto me (who has openly claimed mind flayer) or unto the anubis. Both these options would in Insig's mind distance himself from mafia by placing others under the flame.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:56:58 pm
ALSO, remember when Calindu (who might be mafia) just insta joined my vote on Linkcat (maybe as a panic bus because mafia freaked out that maybe MW wasn't actually GN and it was actually me). BUT THEN, Calindu backs up and says he has evidence that shockcannon can't be GN? I feel like if you were actually FFQ and saw what Calindu claimed to have saw, you wouldn't have made that mistake. Who knows.
Maybe I'm just biasing everything to make it fit my new theory? But it does all add up QUITE nicely.
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 10:57:54 pm
[18:33:42] ‹shockcannon› GG
[18:33:53] ‹shockcannon› I think I just won mafia for town, after almost screwing it up for like 4 phases
[18:39:12] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 5 + 4 + 3 + 6 + 6 = 24 ...
[18:41:26] ‹Mr_Muffin› I found the other song. Things Fall Apart by Shirk. It's not grungy it's something else.
[18:43:25] ‹Mobian› We'll see
[18:50:22] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I don't have time to comment on your theory right now, but will do once I have time
[19:00:12] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96›
[19:00:16] ‹shockcannon› i found the last 2 mafia
[19:00:20] ‹shockcannon› its gg
[19:01:02] ‹ddevans96› could be, yeah
[19:01:03] ‹shockcannon› simple voting analysis of day 1 and day 2, with the knowledge that Linkcat and Espithel are mafia
[19:01:06] ‹ddevans96› don't get too confident
[19:01:09] ‹shockcannon› and then panic posts on day 3 when I claim GN
[19:01:29] ‹ddevans96› but it does make a lot of sense
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› If this theory is correct, I guess Ginyu and mathman must also be town
[19:02:29] ‹shockcannon› they're a little sus but I can buy it
[19:02:42] ‹ddevans96› tbh, literally everyone in the game is sus right now
[19:02:45] ‹ddevans96› myself included
[19:02:53] ‹shockcannon› nah
[19:02:56] ‹shockcannon› i found the mafia
[19:03:11] ‹shockcannon› Calindu didn't even vote on Linkcat the other day
[19:03:14] ‹ddevans96› there is no one I'm very sure is town (other than myself, but objectively speaking)
[19:03:22] ‹shockcannon› he voted on immortal feud
[19:03:33] ‹shockcannon› after I call out immortal feud as sus
[19:04:03] ‹shockcannon› the more I look into Calindu possibly being mafia, the more it actually fits
[19:04:25] ‹shockcannon› I am wary, because he was one of my for sure townies up until 30 minutes ago
[19:04:34] ‹shockcannon› but this theory fits too well
[19:05:23] ‹ddevans96› if he's mafia, he's played this game extremely well
[19:05:31] ‹shockcannon› also
[19:05:39] ‹shockcannon› remember when mafia was killing off inactive townies
[19:05:44] ‹ddevans96› bc I was reading him town until feud flipped GN (and even then, that didn't move it to mafia, just neutral)
[19:05:45] ‹shockcannon› and then we started lynching inactive townies?
[19:05:56] ‹shockcannon› Well why would mafia narrow down the inactives if one of their members was an inactive?
[19:06:16] ‹shockcannon› Although Linkcat did orchestrate the vote from mathman to moehrpi
[19:06:19] ‹shockcannon› that was a little sus
[19:08:04] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› seriously though
[19:08:15] ‹shockcannon› take a good look at how votes moved on day 2 lynch
[19:08:26] ‹shockcannon› I think day 2 really paints Insig as a mafia
[19:09:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› do you think i'm good at mafia?
[18:33:53] ‹shockcannon› I think I just won mafia for town, after almost screwing it up for like 4 phases
[18:39:12] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 5 + 4 + 3 + 6 + 6 = 24 ...
[18:41:26] ‹Mr_Muffin› I found the other song. Things Fall Apart by Shirk. It's not grungy it's something else.
[18:43:25] ‹Mobian› We'll see
[18:50:22] ‹Calindu› ‹@shockcannon› I don't have time to comment on your theory right now, but will do once I have time
[19:00:12] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96›
[19:00:16] ‹shockcannon› i found the last 2 mafia
[19:00:20] ‹shockcannon› its gg
[19:01:02] ‹ddevans96› could be, yeah
[19:01:03] ‹shockcannon› simple voting analysis of day 1 and day 2, with the knowledge that Linkcat and Espithel are mafia
[19:01:06] ‹ddevans96› don't get too confident
[19:01:09] ‹shockcannon› and then panic posts on day 3 when I claim GN
[19:01:29] ‹ddevans96› but it does make a lot of sense
[19:02:20] ‹shockcannon› If this theory is correct, I guess Ginyu and mathman must also be town
[19:02:29] ‹shockcannon› they're a little sus but I can buy it
[19:02:42] ‹ddevans96› tbh, literally everyone in the game is sus right now
[19:02:45] ‹ddevans96› myself included
[19:02:53] ‹shockcannon› nah
[19:02:56] ‹shockcannon› i found the mafia
[19:03:11] ‹shockcannon› Calindu didn't even vote on Linkcat the other day
[19:03:14] ‹ddevans96› there is no one I'm very sure is town (other than myself, but objectively speaking)
[19:03:22] ‹shockcannon› he voted on immortal feud
[19:03:33] ‹shockcannon› after I call out immortal feud as sus
[19:04:03] ‹shockcannon› the more I look into Calindu possibly being mafia, the more it actually fits
[19:04:25] ‹shockcannon› I am wary, because he was one of my for sure townies up until 30 minutes ago
[19:04:34] ‹shockcannon› but this theory fits too well
[19:05:23] ‹ddevans96› if he's mafia, he's played this game extremely well
[19:05:31] ‹shockcannon› also
[19:05:39] ‹shockcannon› remember when mafia was killing off inactive townies
[19:05:44] ‹ddevans96› bc I was reading him town until feud flipped GN (and even then, that didn't move it to mafia, just neutral)
[19:05:45] ‹shockcannon› and then we started lynching inactive townies?
[19:05:56] ‹shockcannon› Well why would mafia narrow down the inactives if one of their members was an inactive?
[19:06:16] ‹shockcannon› Although Linkcat did orchestrate the vote from mathman to moehrpi
[19:06:19] ‹shockcannon› that was a little sus
[19:08:04] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› seriously though
[19:08:15] ‹shockcannon› take a good look at how votes moved on day 2 lynch
[19:08:26] ‹shockcannon› I think day 2 really paints Insig as a mafia
[19:09:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› do you think i'm good at mafia?
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 11:12:41 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 11:19:58 pm
Also, new chatlog:
[19:09:40] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› do you think i'm good at mafia?
[19:11:38] ‹ddevans96› tbh yes
[19:11:54] ‹ddevans96› people are probably going to disagree, but it looks like you played pretty well two games in a row, all things considered
[19:11:57] ‹shockcannon› CRAP
[19:12:00] ‹shockcannon› i edited a post in mafia
[19:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Puzzle Plight - by shockcannon from shockcannon in Forum Games. Always this post.
[19:12:05] ‹shockcannon› NOOOOOO
[19:12:08] ‹shockcannon› GG
[19:12:10] ‹shockcannon› modkill incoming
[19:12:24] ‹ddevans96› F
[19:12:34] ‹Linkcat› Good shit.
[19:13:02] ‹shockcannon› gg
[19:13:21] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› what if im mafia
[19:13:45] ‹ddevans96› then you still played very well
[19:13:55] ‹shockcannon› if i'm mafia I 100% get unanimous vote for best player in mafia 71
[19:14:02] ‹shockcannon› that is assuming I win
[19:14:07] ‹shockcannon› lucky for you, i'm town
[19:14:10] ‹shockcannon› but I wish I was mafia
[19:14:27] ‹ddevans96› doesn't really change much, I wanted to lynch you when we lynched moe but I wasn't on at the deadline
[19:14:31] ‹ddevans96› and I may not have pushed it anyways
[19:15:06] ‹shockcannon› hey
[19:15:09] ‹shockcannon› if i get modkilled
[19:15:15] ‹shockcannon› its calindu and insig
[19:15:17] ‹ddevans96› that was my window to act if you are indeed mafia, and I didn't
[19:15:18] ‹shockcannon› don't get played
[19:15:31] ‹ddevans96› but I called Link, so I won't be -too- mad at myself
[19:15:47] ‹shockcannon› i technically called Link too
[19:15:53] ‹ddevans96› if I have to defend myself half the game and still push a mafia kill that's not the worst game I've ever played
[19:16:00] ‹shockcannon› but then Calindu dropped his bomb and no one believed my GN claim
[19:16:11] ‹Linkcat› Actually, I also called Link.
[19:16:17] ‹Linkcat› Knew he was mafia the whole time.
[19:16:23] ‹ddevans96› true
[19:16:30] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i almost had you
[19:16:37] ‹shockcannon› I know you panicked when I called you out
[19:16:44] ‹Linkcat› lol
[19:16:49] ‹Linkcat› That's all I will say.
[19:17:00] ‹immortal_feud› hey bigbrain shock wanna league?
[19:17:16] ‹shockcannon› You were probably like, "HOLY SH*T! HE'S ACTUALLY GN. NO WAY!"
[19:17:19] ‹shockcannon› and then you panicked
[19:17:26] ‹shockcannon› and then espithel and calindu panicked and bussed you
[19:17:35] ‹shockcannon› and then you guys came up with a better plan
[19:17:45] ‹shockcannon› and were like, hey, no one will believe shock if we throw out anything believable
[19:17:49] ‹shockcannon› and then gg, link survives
[19:18:00] ‹shockcannon› and then you did some talking to me
[19:18:06] ‹shockcannon› and then I believed you were town
[19:18:17] ‹shockcannon› that was a big F play by me
[19:18:22] ‹Guest-Archangel-1855d› ‹@shockcannon› https://i.imgur.com/lG2lGWr.png you're welcome
[19:18:23] ‹shockcannon› I should've trusted my instincts
[19:11:38] ‹ddevans96› tbh yes
[19:11:54] ‹ddevans96› people are probably going to disagree, but it looks like you played pretty well two games in a row, all things considered
[19:11:57] ‹shockcannon› CRAP
[19:12:00] ‹shockcannon› i edited a post in mafia
[19:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Puzzle Plight - by shockcannon from shockcannon in Forum Games. Always this post.
[19:12:05] ‹shockcannon› NOOOOOO
[19:12:08] ‹shockcannon› GG
[19:12:10] ‹shockcannon› modkill incoming
[19:12:24] ‹ddevans96› F
[19:12:34] ‹Linkcat› Good shit.
[19:13:02] ‹shockcannon› gg
[19:13:21] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› what if im mafia
[19:13:45] ‹ddevans96› then you still played very well
[19:13:55] ‹shockcannon› if i'm mafia I 100% get unanimous vote for best player in mafia 71
[19:14:02] ‹shockcannon› that is assuming I win
[19:14:07] ‹shockcannon› lucky for you, i'm town
[19:14:10] ‹shockcannon› but I wish I was mafia
[19:14:27] ‹ddevans96› doesn't really change much, I wanted to lynch you when we lynched moe but I wasn't on at the deadline
[19:14:31] ‹ddevans96› and I may not have pushed it anyways
[19:15:06] ‹shockcannon› hey
[19:15:09] ‹shockcannon› if i get modkilled
[19:15:15] ‹shockcannon› its calindu and insig
[19:15:17] ‹ddevans96› that was my window to act if you are indeed mafia, and I didn't
[19:15:18] ‹shockcannon› don't get played
[19:15:31] ‹ddevans96› but I called Link, so I won't be -too- mad at myself
[19:15:47] ‹shockcannon› i technically called Link too
[19:15:53] ‹ddevans96› if I have to defend myself half the game and still push a mafia kill that's not the worst game I've ever played
[19:16:00] ‹shockcannon› but then Calindu dropped his bomb and no one believed my GN claim
[19:16:11] ‹Linkcat› Actually, I also called Link.
[19:16:17] ‹Linkcat› Knew he was mafia the whole time.
[19:16:23] ‹ddevans96› true
[19:16:30] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› i almost had you
[19:16:37] ‹shockcannon› I know you panicked when I called you out
[19:16:44] ‹Linkcat› lol
[19:16:49] ‹Linkcat› That's all I will say.
[19:17:00] ‹immortal_feud› hey bigbrain shock wanna league?
[19:17:16] ‹shockcannon› You were probably like, "HOLY SH*T! HE'S ACTUALLY GN. NO WAY!"
[19:17:19] ‹shockcannon› and then you panicked
[19:17:26] ‹shockcannon› and then espithel and calindu panicked and bussed you
[19:17:35] ‹shockcannon› and then you guys came up with a better plan
[19:17:45] ‹shockcannon› and were like, hey, no one will believe shock if we throw out anything believable
[19:17:49] ‹shockcannon› and then gg, link survives
[19:18:00] ‹shockcannon› and then you did some talking to me
[19:18:06] ‹shockcannon› and then I believed you were town
[19:18:17] ‹shockcannon› that was a big F play by me
[19:18:22] ‹Guest-Archangel-1855d› ‹@shockcannon› https://i.imgur.com/lG2lGWr.png you're welcome
[19:18:23] ‹shockcannon› I should've trusted my instincts
Post by: shockcannon on June 12, 2019, 11:20:28 pm
https://i.imgur.com/lG2lGWr.png
Also sorry that I just did like 10 consecutive posts.
Post by: Calindu on June 13, 2019, 12:05:43 am
Also, I don't like the lynch of IW, I think he's just making a bunch of mistakes, and we haven't lynched for that.
Guys, I literally found the 4 mafia.
I stated multiple times when I like a lynch and when I don't like a lynch, I am just defending someone that I don't see as mafia more than I see others.
This right here is the only mention of second anubis. Has anyone actual hit an immaterial? If Linkcat, Calindu, and Insig are all mafia, how hard would it be for them to lie together? It's possible Linkcat actually used his ability on himself and saw that CoffeeDitto visited him. Then Calindu just makes the FFQ claim and gets confirmed by CoffeeDitto. This hides Calindu's actual role which could be psion or mind flayer. Then Calindu throws in the Anubis N3 claim to throw ddevans under the bus, who mafia have been trying to get killed the past two days as we can see from the votes by Linkcat and Espithel (and Calindu and Insig). Linkcat may have caught his own firefly N3, knowing they're safe to claim a random Anubis visit.
In addition, with fake Anubis out there and town unaware of a second mind flayer (which could be Calindu), Insig is free to claim that his ability failed the other night, pushing suspicion onto me (who has openly claimed mind flayer) or unto the anubis. Both these options would in Insig's mind distance himself from mafia by placing others under the flame.
There are a few problems in your theory:
First of all, you can't FFQ yourself, so this whole 'Calindu is not FFQ' just stops right here.
Secondly, I never threw ddevans under the bus with the Anubis claim, which was N2, not N3, I just offered as much information as I could, to make sure someone can verify my claim if needed.
Also, I didn't suspect ddevans after IW's claim, I just believe there is a second Anubis, like I stated in multiple posts, which I'm trying to find.
ALSO, remember when Calindu (who might be mafia) just insta joined my vote on Linkcat (maybe as a panic bus because mafia freaked out that maybe MW wasn't actually GN and it was actually me). BUT THEN, Calindu backs up and says he has evidence that shockcannon can't be GN? I feel like if you were actually FFQ and saw what Calindu claimed to have saw, you wouldn't have made that mistake. Who knows.
It's a silly mistake, it's clearly not the first one I've made this game, and will probably not be the last.
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[19:03:11] ‹shockcannon› Calindu didn't even vote on Linkcat the other day
[19:03:14] ‹ddevans96› there is no one I'm very sure is town (other than myself, but objectively speaking)
[19:03:22] ‹shockcannon› he voted on immortal feud
[19:03:33] ‹shockcannon› after I call out immortal feud as sus
This is a pretty bad way of painting my vote on immortal feud, if you read my posts, you'll see that I just wanted to put some pressure on the inactive people that didn't really contribute to the game, I said that I'm willing to change my vote on Linkcat, if needed. If you are trying to scumread me, maybe base it on more than 2 votes, one that was meaningless and one that happened in day 1.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 13, 2019, 03:15:28 am
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
ddevans96 (1) - mathman101
Post by: Mobian on June 13, 2019, 03:56:24 am
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
ddevans96 (1) - mathman101
Post by: Calindu on June 13, 2019, 01:59:02 pm
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
ddevans96 (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (1) - Calindu
I'm going to go with my scumread on Ginyu, the fact that he still doesn't vote and that we also don't know his role makes me think there is a good chance he is the mafia Anubis.
Post by: Submachine on June 13, 2019, 06:01:55 pm
Night 6
Shorter Night phases with the non-disapproval of Linkcat.~
Warning for immortal-feud and shockcannon for bresking the rules. Feud gets a 1-game suspension as a warning. Shock’s is underbdiscussion.
InsignificantWeeaboo died. He was an Elemental and an Iridium Warden.
| People in danger of modkill: noone |
Night 6 has ended.
Note: I edited this from phone.
Post by: Calindu on June 13, 2019, 06:28:57 pm
shockcannon (5) - Calindu, RootRanger, moehrpi, mathman101, Mobian
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, MasterWalks
moehrpi (1) - ddevans96, shockcannon
I haven’t used my ability last 2 nights. There is 100% a second mind flayer.
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - ddevans96, shockcannon
shockcannon (1) - RootRanger
Also, I don't like the lynch of IW, I think he's just making a bunch of mistakes, and we haven't lynched for that.
Guys, I literally found the 4 mafia.
As I see no one wants to join the push to find the Anubis, I guess next round I'll join Root and hopefully actually manage to get shock lynched.
Also, there are lots of interactions between dd and shock, it seems like dd trusts shock no matter what, so I'm not sure what to actually believe.
They pretty much decided the lynch on IW together, due to him making mistakes with his role and a terrible read of a vote.
The game has been compromised five or six times and I'm beyond stressed because of it, I'm just gonna put my vote on IW because he was my first scumread and because we've established an information web regarding him, and not talk a lot lot more right now.
It's strange that you are calling IW's actions compromising, yet shock fake claiming and using the mind flayer ability night after night is completely fine in your eyes.
Post by: shockcannon on June 13, 2019, 06:43:39 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 13, 2019, 06:59:36 pm
Also, there are lots of interactions between dd and shock, it seems like dd trusts shock no matter what, so I'm not sure what to actually believe.
False. This hasn't been the case for several days.
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They pretty much decided the lynch on IW together, due to him making mistakes with his role and a terrible read of a vote.
False. There were plenty of other people in the game who could have influenced the vote. Blame inactive town.
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It's strange that you are calling IW's actions compromising, yet shock fake claiming and using the mind flayer ability night after night is completely fine in your eyes.
False. I called feud's death post compromising, which is very clearly the case, given his suspension. 'Bad play' is not the same as compromising the game.
Again, another post consisting entirely of lies has been made about me. But somehow no one cares about that type of 'bad play' this game.
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As I see no one wants to join the push to find the Anubis, I guess next round I'll join Root and hopefully actually manage to get shock lynched.
No. After the nightkill, it will be Mislynch and Lose, or MyLo. The best play is No Lynch, unless we can confirm a mafia tonight.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 13, 2019, 07:39:29 pm
[2019-06-13 13:00:08] ‹ddevans96› town: complains about bad play all game
[2019-06-13 13:00:27] ‹ddevans96› also town: constantly makes posts about me consisting of lies or based on flawed logic
[2019-06-13 13:00:31] ‹ddevans96› :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[2019-06-13 13:03:45] ‹ddevans96› if Cal is mafia, btw, feud directly threw the game. I'd have just lynched him then
[2019-06-13 13:03:56] ‹ddevans96› that's why his post matters, it directly changed the lynch direction
[2019-06-13 13:04:54] ‹ddevans96› it's just pathetic that this game is all 'lynch shock bc he played badly' when basically everyone is either playing badly or mafia
[2019-06-13 13:06:50] ‹Calindu› That's just how I see the interaction between you two, really, it's my impression
[2019-06-13 13:07:02] ‹ddevans96› then you haven't been fucking paying attention
[2019-06-13 13:07:13] ‹Calindu› I didn't stay to read and analyse every single post or chatlog, I don't have time for that shit
[2019-06-13 13:07:29] ‹ddevans96› I have LITERALLY reiterated it multiple times
[2019-06-13 13:08:17] ‹ddevans96› I wanted to lynch shock, NOT moe
[2019-06-13 13:08:50] ‹ddevans96› but I couldn't push it earlier in the phase because I'd have just gotten lynched instead, and I wasn't able to be on at deadline
[2019-06-13 13:09:23] ‹ddevans96› and then there's two other lies in that post, and then a HORRIBLE town strategy of proposing a lynch on MyLo
[2019-06-13 13:09:25] ‹Calindu› Also, I really don't care what's the best play, at this point I just want shock lynched, if we lose because of that, I am ok with taking the blame
[2019-06-13 13:09:35] ‹ddevans96› if you're town, I take back literally every compliment I have made about your play this game
[2019-06-13 13:09:50] ‹Espithel› ALL the compliments
[2019-06-13 13:10:15] ‹ddevans96› you just want the game to end because it didn't go your way. really fucking mature
[2019-06-13 13:10:19] ‹ddevans96› go play checkers or some shit
[2019-06-13 13:10:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› shhh, this is getting exciting. We even got cuss words
[2019-06-13 13:10:54] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Clearly this was all orchestrated by experienced players
[2019-06-13 13:11:02] ‹Espithel› Evans' sadness was the mafia's master plan
[2019-06-13 13:11:03] ‹Espithel› ahahahahahaah
[2019-06-13 13:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I'm just muting. I'm FAR too mad to be in this chatroom
[2019-06-13 13:11:51] ‹Calindu› I wanted to lynch shock multiple times since the GN lie, even before, but it never worked, at this point I believe we are losing the game just for that
[2019-06-13 13:11:57] ‹ddevans96› like literally, every single game on these forums is blindly 'let's listen to darling Linkcat, surely he can't lead us astray!'
[2019-06-13 13:12:08] ‹ddevans96› guess what? he was mafia, he forced three town lynches, and the game is lost
[2019-06-13 13:13:12] ‹ddevans96› but I actually put my fucking heart into the game, I have actually lost sleep over this game, and somehow everything I do gets lied about
[2019-06-13 13:13:25] ‹Espithel› Dwaddy Winkwat uwu
[2019-06-13 13:13:48] ‹ddevans96› there have been SO MANY POSTS just straight up bending truth and logic about me, mafia is literally preying on bad town
[2019-06-13 13:15:10] ‹ddevans96› and NOT the kind of bad town that's playing rogue, like shock, the kind of bad town that doesn't actually want to get better at the game and just always looks for the easy and obvious option, even when any kind of analysis would show how stupid that is
[2019-06-13 13:17:36] ‹ddevans96› just so stupid. Link's entire play this game was 'get people to be sus of dd' and it was so obvious, and everyone just ate it up
[2019-06-13 13:20:59] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-13 13:11:02] ‹Espithel› Evans' sadness was the mafia's master plan < literally true btw
[2019-06-13 13:00:27] ‹ddevans96› also town: constantly makes posts about me consisting of lies or based on flawed logic
[2019-06-13 13:00:31] ‹ddevans96› :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[2019-06-13 13:03:45] ‹ddevans96› if Cal is mafia, btw, feud directly threw the game. I'd have just lynched him then
[2019-06-13 13:03:56] ‹ddevans96› that's why his post matters, it directly changed the lynch direction
[2019-06-13 13:04:54] ‹ddevans96› it's just pathetic that this game is all 'lynch shock bc he played badly' when basically everyone is either playing badly or mafia
[2019-06-13 13:06:50] ‹Calindu› That's just how I see the interaction between you two, really, it's my impression
[2019-06-13 13:07:02] ‹ddevans96› then you haven't been fucking paying attention
[2019-06-13 13:07:13] ‹Calindu› I didn't stay to read and analyse every single post or chatlog, I don't have time for that shit
[2019-06-13 13:07:29] ‹ddevans96› I have LITERALLY reiterated it multiple times
[2019-06-13 13:08:17] ‹ddevans96› I wanted to lynch shock, NOT moe
[2019-06-13 13:08:50] ‹ddevans96› but I couldn't push it earlier in the phase because I'd have just gotten lynched instead, and I wasn't able to be on at deadline
[2019-06-13 13:09:23] ‹ddevans96› and then there's two other lies in that post, and then a HORRIBLE town strategy of proposing a lynch on MyLo
[2019-06-13 13:09:25] ‹Calindu› Also, I really don't care what's the best play, at this point I just want shock lynched, if we lose because of that, I am ok with taking the blame
[2019-06-13 13:09:35] ‹ddevans96› if you're town, I take back literally every compliment I have made about your play this game
[2019-06-13 13:09:50] ‹Espithel› ALL the compliments
[2019-06-13 13:10:15] ‹ddevans96› you just want the game to end because it didn't go your way. really fucking mature
[2019-06-13 13:10:19] ‹ddevans96› go play checkers or some shit
[2019-06-13 13:10:22] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Espithel› shhh, this is getting exciting. We even got cuss words
[2019-06-13 13:10:54] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Clearly this was all orchestrated by experienced players
[2019-06-13 13:11:02] ‹Espithel› Evans' sadness was the mafia's master plan
[2019-06-13 13:11:03] ‹Espithel› ahahahahahaah
[2019-06-13 13:11:05] ‹ddevans96› I'm just muting. I'm FAR too mad to be in this chatroom
[2019-06-13 13:11:51] ‹Calindu› I wanted to lynch shock multiple times since the GN lie, even before, but it never worked, at this point I believe we are losing the game just for that
[2019-06-13 13:11:57] ‹ddevans96› like literally, every single game on these forums is blindly 'let's listen to darling Linkcat, surely he can't lead us astray!'
[2019-06-13 13:12:08] ‹ddevans96› guess what? he was mafia, he forced three town lynches, and the game is lost
[2019-06-13 13:13:12] ‹ddevans96› but I actually put my fucking heart into the game, I have actually lost sleep over this game, and somehow everything I do gets lied about
[2019-06-13 13:13:25] ‹Espithel› Dwaddy Winkwat uwu
[2019-06-13 13:13:48] ‹ddevans96› there have been SO MANY POSTS just straight up bending truth and logic about me, mafia is literally preying on bad town
[2019-06-13 13:15:10] ‹ddevans96› and NOT the kind of bad town that's playing rogue, like shock, the kind of bad town that doesn't actually want to get better at the game and just always looks for the easy and obvious option, even when any kind of analysis would show how stupid that is
[2019-06-13 13:17:36] ‹ddevans96› just so stupid. Link's entire play this game was 'get people to be sus of dd' and it was so obvious, and everyone just ate it up
[2019-06-13 13:20:59] ‹ddevans96› [2019-06-13 13:11:02] ‹Espithel› Evans' sadness was the mafia's master plan < literally true btw
[2019-06-13 13:24:33] ‹Mobian› Who am I giving momentum to?
[2019-06-13 13:26:27] ‹shockcannon› Roles don’t matter at this point
[2019-06-13 13:27:21] ‹Espithel› Is evans being sad chat-log worthy
[2019-06-13 13:27:26] ‹shockcannon› Role claiming and using roles stopped mattering after insig died. This night is inconsequential
[2019-06-13 13:27:32] ‹ddevans96› I'm logging it
[2019-06-13 13:27:35] ‹Espithel› k
[2019-06-13 13:27:38] ‹ddevans96› not even sad, just angry
[2019-06-13 13:27:50] ‹shockcannon› I’m going to make a bold prediction
[2019-06-13 13:28:02] ‹shockcannon› Ddevans dies at night then I die by day
[2019-06-13 13:28:09] ‹shockcannon› Then mafia wins
[2019-06-13 13:28:14] ‹ddevans96› probably
[2019-06-13 13:28:17] ‹ddevans96› and town will lose
[2019-06-13 13:28:21] ‹shockcannon› Except it’s not really bold
[2019-06-13 13:28:27] ‹Mobian› Your last prediction didn't pan out.
[2019-06-13 13:28:42] ‹ddevans96› whatever. I did everything I could. other than missing a deadline I played really well this game
[2019-06-13 13:28:51] ‹ddevans96› that missed deadline probably makes the difference, but oh well
[2019-06-13 13:29:01] ‹shockcannon› Insig didn’t defend himself
[2019-06-13 13:29:13] ‹shockcannon› You going to blame my prediction when a townie didn’t defend himself
[2019-06-13 13:29:22] ‹Mobian› Dd is still a point of contention this game. As long as he is, the mafia won't kill him
[2019-06-13 13:29:26] ‹shockcannon› Insig also blocked over 2 times as many players as me
[2019-06-13 13:29:33] ‹shockcannon› No
[2019-06-13 13:29:37] ‹shockcannon› Ddevans is dying to ight
[2019-06-13 13:29:48] ‹ddevans96› no, NKing me is absolutely the play
[2019-06-13 13:29:58] ‹shockcannon› If ddevans dies tonight it’s over
[2019-06-13 13:30:15] ‹shockcannon› Rest of town is either inactive or wants to lynch me
[2019-06-13 13:30:34] ‹shockcannon› So as long as mafia doesn’t include me, they lynch ddevans and win
[2019-06-13 13:30:57] ‹ddevans96› if shock is town, they likely NK me, so everyone lynches shock. if shock is mafia, they likely don't kill me, bc I'm the only one who wants to lynch people other than shock
[2019-06-13 13:32:02] ‹Espithel› And they can triple-fake
[2019-06-13 13:32:05] ‹Espithel› Or quadruple-fake
[2019-06-13 13:32:18] ‹Espithel› Or IT'S SO FAKE I NEED TO DESIST
[2019-06-13 13:32:57] ‹ddevans96› Espi is meming again, so I'll log now
[2019-06-13 13:33:05] ‹ddevans96› someone else can pick up the rest if we keep going
[2019-06-13 13:33:05] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› What is so critical about you that you're guaranteed to be the nk?
[2019-06-13 13:33:11] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› wait
[2019-06-13 13:33:16] ‹shockcannon› Just one thing before you log
[2019-06-13 13:33:37] ‹shockcannon› If we both survive let’s ensure we kill ginyu
[2019-06-13 13:33:50] ‹ddevans96› no, I want No Lynch
[2019-06-13 13:34:05] ‹shockcannon› Oh yeah
[2019-06-13 13:34:05] ‹ddevans96› it'll be MyLo, I want the safe play
[2019-06-13 13:34:09] ‹Mobian› I'm giving ginyu momentum
[2019-06-13 13:34:13] ‹shockcannon› It’ll be 6 players after this right?
[2019-06-13 13:34:37] ‹ddevans96› why Ginyu?
[2019-06-13 13:34:40] ‹Mobian› If it hits, then he's faking grab, and is likely mafia
[2019-06-13 13:34:40] ‹ddevans96› yes
[2019-06-13 13:34:41] ‹shockcannon› ok Sure. No lynch
[2019-06-13 13:34:55] ‹ddevans96› we already know he's probably faking Graboid
[2019-06-13 13:35:08] ‹shockcannon› It doesn’t mattwr
[2019-06-13 13:35:20] ‹shockcannon› He’s inactive and doesn’t vote
[2019-06-13 13:35:25] ‹ddevans96› it's probably going to miss bc he's immaterial, if anything
[2019-06-13 13:35:32] ‹shockcannon› Mafia doesn’t need to care about Ginyu
[2019-06-13 13:35:39] ‹ddevans96› bc he's one of the people likely to be mafia Anubis
[2019-06-13 13:35:46] ‹Mobian› Momentum ignores immaterial
[2019-06-13 13:36:02] ‹ddevans96› oh
[2019-06-13 13:36:17] ‹ddevans96› I didn't actually know that, good to know
[2019-06-13 13:36:30] ‹Mobian› The only things that could stop it are warden, me being frozen, or burrowed target
[2019-06-13 13:36:44] ‹shockcannon› If we roleclaimed yesterday we could’ve lynched a mafia
[2019-06-13 13:37:05] ‹ddevans96› honestly, you should be roleclaiming on MyLo, imo
[2019-06-13 13:37:22] ‹MasterWalks› what is MyLo
[2019-06-13 13:37:25] ‹Mobian› So, IF it fails, he's burrowed and town
[2019-06-13 13:37:26] ‹shockcannon› We should’ve been roleclaiming two phases ago to uncover lies
[2019-06-13 13:37:29] ‹ddevans96› mislynch and lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:32] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Mislynch and Lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:44] ‹Espithel› Basically, if the town lynches someone, and they're wrong, they lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:59] ‹Espithel› If they nolynch, they get an extra day but it becomes Lylo - Lynch or Lose
[2019-06-13 13:38:57] ‹Espithel› One of the very few times that no lynch is worth it
[2019-06-13 13:39:10] ‹Espithel› Especially if there's tons of roles throwing around
[2019-06-13 13:26:27] ‹shockcannon› Roles don’t matter at this point
[2019-06-13 13:27:21] ‹Espithel› Is evans being sad chat-log worthy
[2019-06-13 13:27:26] ‹shockcannon› Role claiming and using roles stopped mattering after insig died. This night is inconsequential
[2019-06-13 13:27:32] ‹ddevans96› I'm logging it
[2019-06-13 13:27:35] ‹Espithel› k
[2019-06-13 13:27:38] ‹ddevans96› not even sad, just angry
[2019-06-13 13:27:50] ‹shockcannon› I’m going to make a bold prediction
[2019-06-13 13:28:02] ‹shockcannon› Ddevans dies at night then I die by day
[2019-06-13 13:28:09] ‹shockcannon› Then mafia wins
[2019-06-13 13:28:14] ‹ddevans96› probably
[2019-06-13 13:28:17] ‹ddevans96› and town will lose
[2019-06-13 13:28:21] ‹shockcannon› Except it’s not really bold
[2019-06-13 13:28:27] ‹Mobian› Your last prediction didn't pan out.
[2019-06-13 13:28:42] ‹ddevans96› whatever. I did everything I could. other than missing a deadline I played really well this game
[2019-06-13 13:28:51] ‹ddevans96› that missed deadline probably makes the difference, but oh well
[2019-06-13 13:29:01] ‹shockcannon› Insig didn’t defend himself
[2019-06-13 13:29:13] ‹shockcannon› You going to blame my prediction when a townie didn’t defend himself
[2019-06-13 13:29:22] ‹Mobian› Dd is still a point of contention this game. As long as he is, the mafia won't kill him
[2019-06-13 13:29:26] ‹shockcannon› Insig also blocked over 2 times as many players as me
[2019-06-13 13:29:33] ‹shockcannon› No
[2019-06-13 13:29:37] ‹shockcannon› Ddevans is dying to ight
[2019-06-13 13:29:48] ‹ddevans96› no, NKing me is absolutely the play
[2019-06-13 13:29:58] ‹shockcannon› If ddevans dies tonight it’s over
[2019-06-13 13:30:15] ‹shockcannon› Rest of town is either inactive or wants to lynch me
[2019-06-13 13:30:34] ‹shockcannon› So as long as mafia doesn’t include me, they lynch ddevans and win
[2019-06-13 13:30:57] ‹ddevans96› if shock is town, they likely NK me, so everyone lynches shock. if shock is mafia, they likely don't kill me, bc I'm the only one who wants to lynch people other than shock
[2019-06-13 13:32:02] ‹Espithel› And they can triple-fake
[2019-06-13 13:32:05] ‹Espithel› Or quadruple-fake
[2019-06-13 13:32:18] ‹Espithel› Or IT'S SO FAKE I NEED TO DESIST
[2019-06-13 13:32:57] ‹ddevans96› Espi is meming again, so I'll log now
[2019-06-13 13:33:05] ‹ddevans96› someone else can pick up the rest if we keep going
[2019-06-13 13:33:05] ‹Mobian› ‹@ddevans96› What is so critical about you that you're guaranteed to be the nk?
[2019-06-13 13:33:11] ‹shockcannon› ‹@ddevans96› wait
[2019-06-13 13:33:16] ‹shockcannon› Just one thing before you log
[2019-06-13 13:33:37] ‹shockcannon› If we both survive let’s ensure we kill ginyu
[2019-06-13 13:33:50] ‹ddevans96› no, I want No Lynch
[2019-06-13 13:34:05] ‹shockcannon› Oh yeah
[2019-06-13 13:34:05] ‹ddevans96› it'll be MyLo, I want the safe play
[2019-06-13 13:34:09] ‹Mobian› I'm giving ginyu momentum
[2019-06-13 13:34:13] ‹shockcannon› It’ll be 6 players after this right?
[2019-06-13 13:34:37] ‹ddevans96› why Ginyu?
[2019-06-13 13:34:40] ‹Mobian› If it hits, then he's faking grab, and is likely mafia
[2019-06-13 13:34:40] ‹ddevans96› yes
[2019-06-13 13:34:41] ‹shockcannon› ok Sure. No lynch
[2019-06-13 13:34:55] ‹ddevans96› we already know he's probably faking Graboid
[2019-06-13 13:35:08] ‹shockcannon› It doesn’t mattwr
[2019-06-13 13:35:20] ‹shockcannon› He’s inactive and doesn’t vote
[2019-06-13 13:35:25] ‹ddevans96› it's probably going to miss bc he's immaterial, if anything
[2019-06-13 13:35:32] ‹shockcannon› Mafia doesn’t need to care about Ginyu
[2019-06-13 13:35:39] ‹ddevans96› bc he's one of the people likely to be mafia Anubis
[2019-06-13 13:35:46] ‹Mobian› Momentum ignores immaterial
[2019-06-13 13:36:02] ‹ddevans96› oh
[2019-06-13 13:36:17] ‹ddevans96› I didn't actually know that, good to know
[2019-06-13 13:36:30] ‹Mobian› The only things that could stop it are warden, me being frozen, or burrowed target
[2019-06-13 13:36:44] ‹shockcannon› If we roleclaimed yesterday we could’ve lynched a mafia
[2019-06-13 13:37:05] ‹ddevans96› honestly, you should be roleclaiming on MyLo, imo
[2019-06-13 13:37:22] ‹MasterWalks› what is MyLo
[2019-06-13 13:37:25] ‹Mobian› So, IF it fails, he's burrowed and town
[2019-06-13 13:37:26] ‹shockcannon› We should’ve been roleclaiming two phases ago to uncover lies
[2019-06-13 13:37:29] ‹ddevans96› mislynch and lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:32] ‹Espithel› ‹@MasterWalks› Mislynch and Lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:44] ‹Espithel› Basically, if the town lynches someone, and they're wrong, they lose
[2019-06-13 13:37:59] ‹Espithel› If they nolynch, they get an extra day but it becomes Lylo - Lynch or Lose
[2019-06-13 13:38:57] ‹Espithel› One of the very few times that no lynch is worth it
[2019-06-13 13:39:10] ‹Espithel› Especially if there's tons of roles throwing around
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on June 13, 2019, 07:57:06 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 14, 2019, 06:22:53 pm
Day 7
Mobian died. He was an Elemental and an Amber Nymph.
| People in danger of modkill: Ginyu |
Day 7 has ended.
Post by: shockcannon on June 14, 2019, 06:27:13 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 06:28:40 pm
May deviate, but this is the safe option.
Post by: Ginyu on June 14, 2019, 06:43:44 pm
While not lynching will not lose us the game immediately, by tomorrow mafia will have a 40 % rate in the voting, while today it is only 33 %. Also, some might not be voting.
Talking about voting, I am ready to vote today.
Post by: Ginyu on June 14, 2019, 07:09:47 pm
shockcannon (1) - Ginyu
Obvious one, although I am hesitent to move to dd. shock hurt town all game very aggressively without any real defense. Interestingly enough, the one who kept covering him was dd, only pointing out "nah, just bad town, just how he plays, I believe him". I already said how ridiculous of a defense that is, but they seem to have been married by now, looking through recent chat logs (yes, I did check them this morning after seeing like 20 pings, and yes that does include the one you did not post, nice try to hide that).
Overall, there is a chance shock was simply trolling for the point of trolling and eventually started caring about the game, but dd considered him easy prey, as defending him would get mafia another vote under their belt. For now, shock (or both) seem more likely, however.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 07:25:06 pm
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While the opportunity for No Lynch is available in MyLo, whether it should be done is a different question. On the upside, by refusing to lynch the Town may be able to give its investigative roles another chance to work their magic. On the downside, if the Town has already massclaimed or if there are no roles that can make use of the Night remaining, opting not to lynch will simply give the scum a free kill on the Townie who is most likely to help the Town lynch correctly at LyLo.
It's a series of tradeoffs. If we lynch on 4v2, the worst case scenario is that we lose the game immediately. We have to kill a mafia, and 2/6 of the people are mafia - 4v2 is pretty hard to sort out.
If we No Lynch and go 3v2 we are guaranteed to live (barring modkill or kill roles ofc). Mafia does indeed have more voting power, but in exchange, 3v2 is easier to sort out and kill a mafia because of that higher ratio, as well.
If we do successfully lynch on 4v2, it becomes 3v1 - in which case we have the same situation, we can go for the kill, or no lynch and guarantee another round. In that situation, 3v1 is usually not too bad to sort out, so if you take the risk of not making it to that point and succeed, setting up this choice can be very favorable.
If you lynch in 3v2, or no lynch in 3v1, it becomes 2v1, which is one of the easiest things to solve unless an extremely skilled and/or information-rich mafia is in play. That scenario can be setup either way.
To be clear, I don't think lynching is the incorrect play, it's just the riskier one.
shock hurt town all game very aggressively without any real defense.
So did IW. We lynched for that, and he flipped town. The differences are shock provided way more logic in exchange for him fakeclaiming a role that was already essentially confirmed, given that MW had already breadcrumbed it.
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Interestingly enough, the one who kept covering him was dd, only pointing out "nah, just bad town, just how he plays, I believe him". I already said how ridiculous of a defense that is, but they seem to have been married by now, looking through recent chat logs (yes, I did check them this morning after seeing like 20 pings, and yes that does include the one you did not post, nice try to hide that).
As I have said about 20 times, this is never an excuse or a townread I used. This was something Link was saying, not me. My town read on shock (which no longer exists, and hasn't for some time) was never related to his style of play. Keep in mind I spotted Link due to what I would call 'bad town' (and to reiterate, I hate that term), and also read IW as 'bad town' for roleblocking even more than shock did.
And I've posted chat logs or asked someone to post them for me if I was unable pretty much every time a long conversation has occurred. I have probably been the most mindful of chatlogs. I have not attempted to hide anything - I would guess that most of the chatlogs did not include me, or someone didn't log after I asked.
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Overall, there is a chance shock was simply trolling for the point of trolling and eventually started caring about the game, but dd considered him easy prey, as defending him would get mafia another vote under their belt. For now, shock (or both) seem more likely, however.
Playing rogue isn't troling, especially when everyone else playing by the book blindly followed Link, an obvious mafia, and got three townies killed. The GN fakeclaim didn't even matter, MW was very likely GN, due to the circumstances of d1 and his breadcrumb (and ultimately, I think he missed the optimal timing to claim anyways, at a time when shock's fakeclaim was no longer relevant and there was no 'pressure' to counterclaim)
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 07:30:07 pm
[2019-06-14 12:30:43] Calindu: Did Mobian say who he'll target?
[2019-06-14 12:31:26] ddevans96: he planned to target Ginyu
[2019-06-14 12:32:21] Calindu: Ah, I see, that happened
[2019-06-14 12:32:28] Calindu: I wasn't sure if he confirmed he'll do it
[2019-06-14 12:33:48] Calindu: Are you sure no lynch is safer today than a lynch? I see lynching next day phase is just as risky, if not riskier, with the current roles
[2019-06-14 12:34:47] ddevans96: yes. 2/6 is lower than 2/5
[2019-06-14 12:34:53] ddevans96: I mean, it's debatable
[2019-06-14 12:35:11] ddevans96: 'While the opportunity for No Lynch is available in MyLo, whether it should be done is a different question. On the upside, by refusing to lynch the Town may be able to give its investigative roles another chance to work their magic. On the downside, if the Town has already massclaimed or if there are no roles that can make use of the Night remaining, opting not to lynch will simply give the scum a free kill on the Townie who is most likely to help the Town lynch correctly at LyLo.'
[2019-06-14 12:35:54] shockcannon: if ginyu is town and dies to modkill we lose
[2019-06-14 12:36:04] shockcannon: @Ginyu
[2019-06-14 12:36:11] Calindu: Well, what I'm arguing is that either you or me will get NKed
[2019-06-14 12:36:26] Calindu: And next phase will be just as random as this one
[2019-06-14 12:36:36] Calindu: Or Root, forgot about him
[2019-06-14 12:37:13] ‹ddevans96› I'm not sure how that's an argument
[2019-06-14 12:37:27] ‹ddevans96› you're saying there's three people who, if they're town, stand a good chance of figuring out the game in a 3-2
[2019-06-14 12:37:29] ‹ddevans96› yes?
[2019-06-14 12:38:08] ‹Calindu› No, what I'm saying is that it's unlikely someone else gets NKed
[2019-06-14 12:38:09] ‹ddevans96› so then it doesn't really matter if mafia gets a 'free' kill on one of us
[2019-06-14 12:38:33] ‹Calindu› So the pool of people that are likely to be mafia is not smaller
[2019-06-14 12:39:18] ‹ddevans96› yes
[2019-06-14 12:40:05] ‹shockcannon› listen
[2019-06-14 12:40:13] ‹shockcannon› shockcannon, root, claindu, ddevans
[2019-06-14 12:40:17] ‹Calindu› We need to lynch correctly twice, and we have a no lynch day
[2019-06-14 12:40:19] ‹shockcannon› out of those 4, if 2 are mafia its game over
[2019-06-14 12:40:27] ‹shockcannon› because ginyu isn't voting
[2019-06-14 12:40:31] ‹shockcannon› so if him and mathman are town its over
[2019-06-14 12:40:38] ‹Calindu› I think using the no lynch at 3v1 is better
[2019-06-14 12:40:51] ‹shockcannon› so we just have to assume at least 1 mafia is in mathman/ginyu
[2019-06-14 12:40:55] ‹shockcannon› and we lynch one of them
[2019-06-14 12:41:01] ‹ddevans96› okay, but getting to 3v1 requires us hitting a mafia now
[2019-06-14 12:41:11] ‹ddevans96› that's why it's riskier
[2019-06-14 12:41:24] ‹Calindu› Well, if we no lynch and then lynch correctly next phase it will be a 2v1 at lylo
[2019-06-14 12:41:58] ‹Calindu› I suppose we can wait with the lynch, but I think it will still be the same thing
[2019-06-14 12:42:13] ‹ddevans96› 2v1 is way easier to solve than 4v2
[2019-06-14 12:43:10] ‹Calindu› Well, it's the balance of 3v2 followed by 2v1 or 4v2 followed by 3v1 (it can become 2v1 if no lynch)
[2019-06-14 12:43:56] ‹ddevans96› so who would you want to lynch? and don't say shock bc 'bad town', IW was three times more 'bad town' and he flipped town, so come up with an actual scumread on him if that's your proposal
[2019-06-14 12:44:24] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[2019-06-14 12:44:39] ‹Calindu› If Root is pushing on shock I might actually join that, but I offered the alternative of finding the Anubis already
[2019-06-14 12:44:42] ‹Calindu› So Ginyu/mathman
[2019-06-14 12:44:47] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I think that it should be a rule of thumb not to lynch of "bad town" alone
[2019-06-14 12:45:01] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› *on the grounds of
[2019-06-14 12:45:20] ‹ddevans96› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› I mean, yes, but also no
[2019-06-14 12:45:27] ‹ddevans96› I'll talk more about that another time. not relevant rn
[2019-06-14 12:45:50] ‹ddevans96› ‹@Calindu› okay. do you have a preference between Ginyu and mathman, and why?
[2019-06-14 12:46:12] ‹Calindu› Go to any other site, if someone fake claims officer and someone finds it's false, they get lynched right there
[2019-06-14 12:46:23] ‹Calindu› Ginyu, he has been using the graboid cover to not vote the entire game
[2019-06-14 12:47:07] ‹ddevans96› the game we play is barely comparable to games on other sites, tbh
[2019-06-14 12:48:10] ‹ddevans96› and anyways - 1) MW was very obviously the GN, and 2) he kinda claimed at the wrong time anyways, without any interference from shock as to the exact timing
[2019-06-14 12:48:48] ‹Calindu› I didn't really believe MW was the GN until he claimed, he played really aggro
[2019-06-14 12:49:00] ‹Calindu› And I think he claimed well, there's no guarantee he lives 2 more night phases
[2019-06-14 12:49:42] ‹ddevans96› it's not so much about him as it is about kae
[2019-06-14 12:50:14] ‹ddevans96› anyways - aggro GN is a play sometimes. remember, I kept insinuating that's what shock was doing (although I breadcrumbed that I thought it was MW)
[2019-06-14 12:50:31] ‹ddevans96› and it...kinda really worked, actually
[2019-06-14 12:50:35] ‹Guest-HornedFrog-b3e8d›
[2019-06-14 12:51:01] ‹ddevans96› bc it caused Link to move to defend Espi, which set up the chain of events that led to me strongly believing he was mafia
[2019-06-14 12:51:05] ‹Submachine›
[2019-06-14 12:51:54] ‹ddevans96› sure, Link had everyone around his finger for three rounds, but it did ultimately out both
[2019-06-14 12:51:55] ‹Calindu› MW's play did work, yeah, I don't disagree, I just didn't expect it
[2019-06-14 12:52:33] ‹ddevans96› and mafia couldn't really safely kill MW immediately, it'd have just confirmed Espi
[2019-06-14 12:54:24] ‹Calindu› Well yeah, that's why I don't think MW would have lived 2 more night phases
[2019-06-14 12:54:32] ‹Calindu› At some point they had to tie out the loose ends
[2019-06-14 12:55:12] ‹ddevans96› yes, but again - not about him, but about kae
[2019-06-14 12:56:15] ‹Calindu› I'm not sure what about kae tbh
[2019-06-14 12:57:36] ‹ddevans96› oh, MW also breadcrumbed he was GN, btw
[2019-06-14 12:57:49] ‹ddevans96› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[2019-06-14 12:57:59] ‹Calindu› Kae getting NKed is the same as any other civvy getting NKed, as MW had to claim kae as confirmed civvy
[2019-06-14 12:58:21] ‹Calindu› I see
[2019-06-14 12:58:51] ‹Calindu› Sure, the play would have worked much better if kae could actually oty Espithel, he would be confirmed after that either way
[2019-06-14 12:59:00] ‹Calindu› But MW had no way of knowing that
[2019-06-14 13:00:49] ‹ddevans96› the thing is, kae was nightkilled pretty much immediately after MW claimed, bc he claimed during the night phase
[2019-06-14 13:01:07] ‹ddevans96› having a confirmed civvy during the day is more useful than having one during the night
[2019-06-14 13:01:29] ‹ddevans96› unless mafia planned to kill MW that very night, in which case he did time it properly, I would say
[2019-06-14 13:02:29] ‹Calindu› Yeah, it's about whether he'd get NKed or not
[2019-06-14 13:02:45] ‹ddevans96› but - the kill on kae was on n3. mafia knows he used n0 and n2, and would use n4
[2019-06-14 13:03:20] ‹ddevans96› so there's reason for them to not kill MW on n3, even if they think he's GN and he hadn't claimed him and kae
[2019-06-14 13:03:43] ‹ddevans96› either way - Espi would be lynched
[2019-06-14 13:04:24] ‹Calindu› Yeah, I think you are right, forgot about the fact that the claim was during the night
[2019-06-14 13:05:13] ‹Calindu› The better timing would have been N4
[2019-06-14 13:05:14] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[2019-06-14 13:05:23] ‹Aves› Brawl Auction is live! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/brawl-auct...
[2019-06-14 13:06:02] ‹ddevans96› yes - would force mafia to choose between MW and kae \
[2019-06-14 13:06:43] ‹ddevans96› and even day 4 would accomplish that, while also giving us two confirmed civvies to listen to (and we don't even necessarily need to kill Espi immediately, we can try to fish out anbnother)
[2019-06-14 13:06:51] ‹ddevans96› 'anbnother' good stuff
[2019-06-14 13:07:04] ‹Calindu› Yeah, so anyway, what's the play? No lynch, lynch on mathman, lynch on Ginyu, or something else?
[2019-06-14 13:08:01] ‹Calindu› There's no guarantee that MW lives N4, we get to lynch Espithel, but we'd have no confirmed civvy
[2019-06-14 13:08:10] ‹shockcannon› i say we go all in on it being ginyu and mathman
[2019-06-14 13:08:16] ‹ddevans96› we'd have kae confirmed
[2019-06-14 13:10:05] ‹Calindu› Ah, yeah, sorry, thought it was N4 followed by D4 for a second
[2019-06-14 13:14:56] ‹Submachine›
[2019-06-14 13:15:24] ‹Submachine› Do not forget to log all this please.
[2019-06-14 13:15:34] ‹ddevans96› yeah, will do
[2019-06-14 13:15:45] ‹Submachine› Cool. :)
Post by: Ginyu on June 14, 2019, 08:11:59 pm
It's a series of tradeoffs. If we lynch on 4v2, the worst case scenario is that we lose the game immediately. We have to kill a mafia, and 2/6 of the people are mafia - 4v2 is pretty hard to sort out.
If we No Lynch and go 3v2 we are guaranteed to live (barring modkill or kill roles ofc). Mafia does indeed have more voting power, but in exchange, 3v2 is easier to sort out and kill a mafia because of that higher ratio, as well.
If we do successfully lynch on 4v2, it becomes 3v1 - in which case we have the same situation, we can go for the kill, or no lynch and guarantee another round. In that situation, 3v1 is usually not too bad to sort out, so if you take the risk of not making it to that point and succeed, setting up this choice can be very favorable.
If you lynch in 3v2, or no lynch in 3v1, it becomes 2v1, which is one of the easiest things to solve unless an extremely skilled and/or information-rich mafia is in play. That scenario can be setup either way.
To be clear, I don't think lynching is the incorrect play, it's just the riskier one.
I see several flaws here. First, you cannot expect to get all town to vote on the same player. Who would lead that lynch and the mob? How can we be sure we are not following a mafia?
Also, with shock being a potential town on mafia's side, they might have the majority on their side.
shock hurt town all game very aggressively without any real defense.
So did IW. We lynched for that, and he flipped town. The differences are shock provided way more logic in exchange for him fakeclaiming a role that was already essentially confirmed, given that MW had already breadcrumbed it.
Just because it did not work once, does not mean it never works.
If there are two men trying to kill someone, and the first one is failing, do you sit back guessing the other will fail too?
Also, "essentially confirmed" is a very bold claim. It was possible, but not at all that obvious. If it was, mafia would have killed him way earlier. Yes, Espi would have died earlier too, but that does not make much of a difference unless he had a good role for mafia, which he did not. In any way, what was his fake claim even supposed to mean if you consider that an obvious lie from the get-go?
Post by: shockcannon on June 14, 2019, 08:48:12 pm
Also, if you think I'm truly mafia, then go for it, but don't just join a vote on me because others are going for it. Mafia is going to be desperately trying to survive this day phase, because if they do they win. So they're going to target whoever they think is easiest to get town votes on.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 09:07:59 pm
Just because it did not work once, does not mean it never works.
If there are two men trying to kill someone, and the first one is failing, do you sit back guessing the other will fail too?
Yes, I agree. That's not my point.
My point is, so many people want shock dead for 'bad town play' when most of the players alive now - myself included, to be quite honest - and several dead players have exhibited 'bad town play'. So why is shock being singled out? This doesn't really clear him in any way, for what it's worth - mafia could be hard bussing and confident they can control endgame even if shock is dead. We spend a lynch on their least useful living member. But if he's town, I think mafia wants him dead, because it's become clear that if a lynch is started on him at this point in the game, it'll be followed. Mafia wants to push easy lynches on town in endgame.
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Also, "essentially confirmed" is a very bold claim. It was possible, but not at all that obvious. If it was, mafia would have killed him way earlier. Yes, Espi would have died earlier too, but that does not make much of a difference unless he had a good role for mafia, which he did not.
It makes a huge difference. Going down a mafia early gives town more information to work with earlier than any town lynch does early. And why sacrifice Espi early when you can kill three town because you have the one player everyone on these forums implicitly trusts without deeper thought?
I guarantee mafia knew MW was GN long before he claimed it. Espi basically said 'finally, you claimed what we already knew' and MW posted a picture of his ability. Mafia already had a gameplan - play around Link, make me look suspicious, sow chaos in town - and they stuck to it.
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In any way, what was his fake claim even supposed to mean if you consider that an obvious lie from the get-go?
I assume he was trying to bait Link, and failed. Link is too high of a caliber of player to be baited in the way shock intended, and additionally had at least one very strong player (Espi) on his team to bounce strategy and counterplay off of. For that reason, it was absolutely a dumb and risky gambit. But I disagree that it was 'soliciting a GN counterclaim' or 'trolling' or (paraphrasing earlier posts) 'catastrophic for town' because mafia absolutely already knew the GN.
I see several flaws here. First, you cannot expect to get all town to vote on the same player. Who would lead that lynch and the mob? How can we be sure we are not following a mafia?
All correct - but all of these scenarios apply to 4v2 as well as 3v2, just less so. It is is a point in favor of lynching, but it's still not a clear better choice. There's major pros and cons of both.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 09:09:16 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 14, 2019, 09:30:58 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 15, 2019, 02:21:20 pm
@Calindu, what I'm about to do may seem scummy and may make it look like both myself and ddevans could be mafia. However, I'm going to assume that you feel strongly about AT LEAST 1 mafia being among mathman and Ginyu. If this does reflect what you believe, then I'm willing to vote on whoever you vote on. You can choose between mathman and Ginyu and I'll support your choice. Otherwise I'm going to vote no lynch and just hope town can win a 3 vs. 2 situation.
Also, if you think I'm truly mafia, then go for it, but don't just join a vote on me because others are going for it. Mafia is going to be desperately trying to survive this day phase, because if they do they win. So they're going to target whoever they think is easiest to get town votes on.
Truth is, I'm not sure what to do, I don't trust you as I still believe there is a good chance you are mafia, and making the bad choice will result in the game ending immediately. In fact, I don't trust any of you, the one I trust the most is Root, but I still am not more than 60% sure that he's town. You are right I feel strongly about one of the mafia being either mathman or Ginyu, but I also believe that there are really low chances that both of them are mafia, and this leaves one of you, ddevans or Root as the other one.
Before I make a decision, I'd like to hear more options, and I believe we should roleclaim and post all the info we have, maybe we find inconsistencies.
Roleclaim if you haven't already
Post by: RootRanger on June 15, 2019, 05:19:00 pm
The idea would be that 2-in-5 odds are better than 2-in-6 odds, but this assumes that every player is equally likely to be lynched, which is not the case at all. Realistically, the next lynch, whether in this day phase or the next one, is going to be between Ginyu/mathman/shock. If we no-lynch today, mafia will NK someone among me/Calindu/ddevans. The next lynch won't be any easier, because all of the most suspicious players will still be alive.
Whereas the downsides to a no-lynch include -
If mafia has an Otyugh, a no-lynch would (most likely) throw the game. This would be ok if it was a long shot for us to win anyways, but I think our odds are not actually that bad and we have a lot of information to go off of.
If a single player neglects to vote in the next day phase, a no-lynch would also throw the game. Mafia would have 2 of the 4 players voting. This outcome is just as likely as mafia having an Otyugh if not more. Ginyu/mathman have been unreliable in terms of posting consistently. Unfortunately, I don't think it can be taken for a fact that they'll reliably vote for the best target tomorrow, even if they're civ.
Furthermore, in a 3v2, all of the civs have to vote together on the same target. If a single civ deviates from the target of the other two civs, mafia can vote together to control the lynch, or force no lynch at all. The only time this game we've had all of the civs voting together was the Espi lynch where he was confirmed mafia. Even in the day afterward where Linkcat was the very clear lynch target, the civs were not unified in their vote. So, I think a no-lynch this round has a lot more risk than it's worth.
My role is Ghost of the Past. I haven't gotten anything out of it.
I trust Calindu the most and would like to know what his reads are.
My reads would be, in order of most suspicious to least, shock/Ginyu/ddevans/mathman/Calindu.
shock, I have spoken plenty on. Linkcat being mafia only solidifies my suspicions because of how he saved shock from lynching the same way he did with Espithel.
With Ginyu, most of my suspicion lies in the fact that IW's ability failed on him. I think it's reasonably likely he's the mafia Anubis we're looking for. I'm not surprised that Ginyu is voting on shock; if they're both mafia I think that he wants to push the lynch on his teammate to win back trust with the civs.
ddevans, I'd initially thought he was mafia Anubis and he still might be, but Ginyu is starting to look like a realistic possibility as well. If I were playing purely on mechanics I'd probably swap Ginyu/ddevans in my list, but based on reads, ddevans seems pretty hurt that things haven't been working out as well for the civs as he wanted. If he's civ, I think he's just outright wrong about shockcannon though.
mathman is just plain inactive. As far as I know, there's no solid reasoning he would be the mafia Anubis, or any other mafia role.
Calindu I trust because he has played consistently over the entire course of the game and have no reason to be suspicious of him.
Post by: RootRanger on June 15, 2019, 05:19:58 pm
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Post by: ddevans96 on June 15, 2019, 05:22:47 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 15, 2019, 05:36:26 pm
One of Root/Cal/Ginyu is mafia. Probably two, if not, then the other is shock. math is probably town.
Put my vote on Cal.
Post by: shockcannon on June 15, 2019, 05:48:08 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 15, 2019, 05:48:17 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 15, 2019, 05:49:25 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 15, 2019, 07:02:17 pm
My role is Ghost of the Past. I haven't gotten anything out of it.
I trust Calindu the most and would like to know what his reads are.
When and on who have you used your role on?
Also, my reads are as following:
v
RootRanger - Same read as my last time, really, I don't see anything wrong this his play.
n+
ddevans - Him being very sad about the plays not working out seems very genuine, I don't think he's faking it, but he can easily pull that off, so I can't fully trust him.
w
shockcannon - I iterated many times why I don't really trust shock, I can't deny that he started becoming more credible at some point, but him pushing the IW lynch last round made me doubt him again.
mathman - The main reason is that we are searching for the mafia Anubis, and he didn't really provide much information or help all game
ww
Ginyu - Same primary reason as mathman, but is even lower because he faked graboid the entire game.
Basically, if math isn't mafia, then the remaining pool is shock, and people that have gotten my stance on shock incorrect recently. Since I already chewed out Cal, in good faith, I'll suggest he's the one of the mafia and not 'bad town', and he put up an MVP performance if he is. His play this game fits better than Root or Ginyu into the chaotic strategies Link and Espi traditionally employ.
I'm not sure what to say about this really, since your argument is that I haven't understood your shock stance correctly, and I still believe I don't tbh.
I'm still not putting my vote, want the rest of the roles first.
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (1) - ddevans96
Post by: RootRanger on June 15, 2019, 07:12:56 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 15, 2019, 08:53:01 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 15, 2019, 08:57:38 pm
Post by: shockcannon on June 15, 2019, 09:29:30 pm
Put my vote on Cal.
I'm adding my vote to Ginyu until he role claims and shares night actions taken.
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (1) - ddevans96
Ginyu (1) - shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on June 15, 2019, 09:32:48 pm
[17:05:17] ‹shockcannon› I think mathman is busy for a while
[17:05:23] ‹shockcannon› which unfortunately means we won't get a role out of him
[17:05:31] ‹shockcannon› but Ginyu really needs to role claim
[17:05:41] ‹shockcannon› there's only 2 roles he can be
[17:05:45] ‹Calindu› I really want Ginyu's claim
[17:05:48] ‹shockcannon› if he doesn't say one of those 2 i'm voting him
[17:06:09] ‹Calindu› I'm curious which 2 there are, but I guess I'll wait for tomorrow
[17:06:16] ‹shockcannon› even if he says one of those two i'm probably still voting him
[17:06:36] ‹shockcannon› btw
[17:06:38] ‹shockcannon› if you are mafia
[17:06:56] ‹shockcannon› then you definitely lied about your FFQ claim
[17:07:06] ‹shockcannon› hypothetical scenario though
[17:07:16] ‹Calindu› I'm not mafia, so trust my claims
[17:07:51] ‹shockcannon› do you trust root's claim?
[17:08:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Performance of the Day from Submachine in Music. It needs a gold star.
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[17:08:20] ‹Calindu› I think it's kind of convenient that he's a role that doesn't really need to target anyone or do anything
[17:08:25] ‹Calindu› But I trust Root, so idk
[17:09:02] ‹shockcannon› be honeest with me
[17:09:16] ‹shockcannon› if you wanted, do you think you could get town to lynch me today no matter what?
[17:09:37] ‹vagman13› ‹@Submachine› Heh that was in athens, i remember there was the minister of culture there to awward the winner and when lordi won they sneaked him out :silly:
[17:10:13] ‹vagman13› "health reasons"
[17:10:22] ‹Calindu› If I vote on you, you most likely get lynched, so I don't need to get anyone else to do anything
[17:10:50] ‹shockcannon› well
[17:10:57] ‹shockcannon› i suppose I have no choice but to trust that you're town
[17:11:00] ‹Calindu› Root and Ginyu have their votes on you already, and they likely won't switch
[17:11:08] ‹shockcannon› because if you were mafia, there's no reason for you not to just vote on me and win the game now
[17:11:18] ‹Submachine› ‹@vagman13› I wonder if he sneaked out because he was afraid of Lordi's band :silly:
[17:11:39] ‹shockcannon› which is a shame, because I had a brilliant theory of how you could be mafia that fits quite nicely with how this game has gone so far
[17:11:56] ‹shockcannon› also i'm quite surprised that mafia hasn't killed you off yet
[17:12:20] ‹Calindu› Yeah, if I am mafia and you are town, I could just pull the trigger on the lynch and end the game
[17:12:29] ‹Calindu› I am too
[17:12:42] ‹shockcannon› Maybe you're playing with your food O.o
[17:12:55] ‹shockcannon› don't do that to me
[17:13:01] ‹shockcannon› kill me now if you're mafia
[17:13:21] ‹Calindu› But I guess it made sense for them to NK Mobian
[17:14:03] ‹Calindu› He wasn't really in any conflict and mafia can't really get town to lynch him
[17:14:03] ‹shockcannon› they must've killed immortal feud over mobian and you because they knew he was GN
[17:14:08] ‹shockcannon› but how would they know he's GN
[17:14:22] ‹shockcannon› they could have FFQ, but I'm already stuck in a position where I have to trust you're town
[17:14:28] worldwideweb3 left.
[17:14:30] ‹shockcannon› that leaves psion
[17:14:41] ‹shockcannon› I've had suspicions that they had a psion for a while now
[17:14:45] ‹Calindu› But if mafia is formed by 2 of mathman/Ginyu/Root, they can definitely lynch me
[17:14:59] ‹shockcannon› hmmm
[17:15:02] ‹shockcannon› ok
[17:15:14] ‹shockcannon› if I make the assumption that you are town, i know Ginyu and mathman's role 100%
[17:15:30] ‹shockcannon› this is assuming you didn't lie about Anubis visiting Linkcat
[17:15:33] ‹Calindu› Wait until tomorrow, maybe they actually claim
[17:15:39] ‹shockcannon› and assuming ddevans didn't lie about not visiting Linkcat
[17:15:59] ‹shockcannon› and I'm quite sure ddevans is town
[17:16:07] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans was mafia he could've ended this game way earlier
[17:16:16] ‹Calindu› Well, that's the main question I have about ddevans too, I strongly believe there is a mafia anubis
[17:16:28] ‹Calindu› And though I don't think it's him, I can't know for sure
[17:16:36] ‹shockcannon› I have to believe ddevans told the truth
[17:16:46] ‹shockcannon› if he's mafia then he wasted so much time
[17:17:05] ‹Calindu› What do you mean?
[17:17:14] ‹Calindu› I don't think there's any way mafia ends the game earlier
[17:17:15] ‹shockcannon› ddevans is way more town than root btw
[17:17:19] ‹shockcannon› look at day 1 votes
[17:17:34] ‹shockcannon› Linkcat and Espithel join a train on ddevans to move vote off espithel
[17:17:57] ‹Calindu› The lynch on Linkcat had to happen, it was either him or ddevans
[17:18:01] ‹shockcannon› no way does mafia almost risk killing their own member just to avoid another member getting killed, who they know GN found
[17:18:35] ‹Calindu› Yeah, idk, I'm pretty sure a team with ddevans/Linkcat/Espithel are well capable to pull of constant bussing and double bussing
[17:18:39] ‹shockcannon› 0 chance ddevans is mafia unless mafia took the biggest gamble of their lives on day 1 voting, which had a ridiculously small payoff
[17:18:56] ‹Calindu› Because they are capable to easily win a lylo if they are believed to be town
[17:20:43] ‹shockcannon› alright
[17:20:46] ‹shockcannon› if you want my honest opinion
[17:20:53] ‹shockcannon› i'm like 95% sure its root and ginyu at this point
[17:21:15] ‹shockcannon› I just did some reasoning, and in my mind there's no way you or ddevans is mafia
[17:21:24] ‹Calindu› But yeah, my main read is that there's a mafia Anubis, but I don't believe it's ddevans
[17:22:12] ‹shockcannon› i'll wait to see mathman and ginyu claim, but I think there's a good chance root lied about his role and is actually something like psion
[17:22:52] ‹Calindu› Well, Root's role was really the easiest to lie about
[17:23:31] ‹Calindu› There's legit almost no way someone catches that with the known roles
[17:23:33] ‹shockcannon› root lying forces mathman and ginyu into only 2 roles that they can claim
[17:23:44] ‹shockcannon› and if they don't claim those 2 roles, I out them instantly with the knowledge I have
[17:24:21] ‹shockcannon› 1 of those roles if mafia anubis
[17:24:28] ‹shockcannon› lets see if they have the balls to claim anubis
[17:24:33] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 6 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 = 15 ...
[17:25:00] ‹shockcannon› my prediction, they feign afk and don't respond
[17:25:01] ‹Calindu› I'm curious about the claims too
[17:25:29] ‹shockcannon› and then they hope town doesn't lynch afk who hasn't had a chance to share info
[17:25:49] ‹Calindu› They better respond
[17:26:11] ‹shockcannon› what will you do if they dont respond?
[17:26:53] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe we'll have to take a chance at one of them
[17:29:00] Wyand left.
[17:29:36] ‹Calindu› Or just no lynch, but that needs them to not afk next day phase
[17:30:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Performance of the Day from DANIEELA in Music. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[17:30:04] ‹shockcannon› no lynch means you die
[17:30:21] ‹Calindu› I believe so
[17:05:23] ‹shockcannon› which unfortunately means we won't get a role out of him
[17:05:31] ‹shockcannon› but Ginyu really needs to role claim
[17:05:41] ‹shockcannon› there's only 2 roles he can be
[17:05:45] ‹Calindu› I really want Ginyu's claim
[17:05:48] ‹shockcannon› if he doesn't say one of those 2 i'm voting him
[17:06:09] ‹Calindu› I'm curious which 2 there are, but I guess I'll wait for tomorrow
[17:06:16] ‹shockcannon› even if he says one of those two i'm probably still voting him
[17:06:36] ‹shockcannon› btw
[17:06:38] ‹shockcannon› if you are mafia
[17:06:56] ‹shockcannon› then you definitely lied about your FFQ claim
[17:07:06] ‹shockcannon› hypothetical scenario though
[17:07:16] ‹Calindu› I'm not mafia, so trust my claims
[17:07:51] ‹shockcannon› do you trust root's claim?
[17:08:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Performance of the Day from Submachine in Music. It needs a gold star.
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[17:08:20] ‹Calindu› I think it's kind of convenient that he's a role that doesn't really need to target anyone or do anything
[17:08:25] ‹Calindu› But I trust Root, so idk
[17:09:02] ‹shockcannon› be honeest with me
[17:09:16] ‹shockcannon› if you wanted, do you think you could get town to lynch me today no matter what?
[17:09:37] ‹vagman13› ‹@Submachine› Heh that was in athens, i remember there was the minister of culture there to awward the winner and when lordi won they sneaked him out :silly:
[17:10:13] ‹vagman13› "health reasons"
[17:10:22] ‹Calindu› If I vote on you, you most likely get lynched, so I don't need to get anyone else to do anything
[17:10:50] ‹shockcannon› well
[17:10:57] ‹shockcannon› i suppose I have no choice but to trust that you're town
[17:11:00] ‹Calindu› Root and Ginyu have their votes on you already, and they likely won't switch
[17:11:08] ‹shockcannon› because if you were mafia, there's no reason for you not to just vote on me and win the game now
[17:11:18] ‹Submachine› ‹@vagman13› I wonder if he sneaked out because he was afraid of Lordi's band :silly:
[17:11:39] ‹shockcannon› which is a shame, because I had a brilliant theory of how you could be mafia that fits quite nicely with how this game has gone so far
[17:11:56] ‹shockcannon› also i'm quite surprised that mafia hasn't killed you off yet
[17:12:20] ‹Calindu› Yeah, if I am mafia and you are town, I could just pull the trigger on the lynch and end the game
[17:12:29] ‹Calindu› I am too
[17:12:42] ‹shockcannon› Maybe you're playing with your food O.o
[17:12:55] ‹shockcannon› don't do that to me
[17:13:01] ‹shockcannon› kill me now if you're mafia
[17:13:21] ‹Calindu› But I guess it made sense for them to NK Mobian
[17:14:03] ‹Calindu› He wasn't really in any conflict and mafia can't really get town to lynch him
[17:14:03] ‹shockcannon› they must've killed immortal feud over mobian and you because they knew he was GN
[17:14:08] ‹shockcannon› but how would they know he's GN
[17:14:22] ‹shockcannon› they could have FFQ, but I'm already stuck in a position where I have to trust you're town
[17:14:28] worldwideweb3 left.
[17:14:30] ‹shockcannon› that leaves psion
[17:14:41] ‹shockcannon› I've had suspicions that they had a psion for a while now
[17:14:45] ‹Calindu› But if mafia is formed by 2 of mathman/Ginyu/Root, they can definitely lynch me
[17:14:59] ‹shockcannon› hmmm
[17:15:02] ‹shockcannon› ok
[17:15:14] ‹shockcannon› if I make the assumption that you are town, i know Ginyu and mathman's role 100%
[17:15:30] ‹shockcannon› this is assuming you didn't lie about Anubis visiting Linkcat
[17:15:33] ‹Calindu› Wait until tomorrow, maybe they actually claim
[17:15:39] ‹shockcannon› and assuming ddevans didn't lie about not visiting Linkcat
[17:15:59] ‹shockcannon› and I'm quite sure ddevans is town
[17:16:07] ‹shockcannon› if ddevans was mafia he could've ended this game way earlier
[17:16:16] ‹Calindu› Well, that's the main question I have about ddevans too, I strongly believe there is a mafia anubis
[17:16:28] ‹Calindu› And though I don't think it's him, I can't know for sure
[17:16:36] ‹shockcannon› I have to believe ddevans told the truth
[17:16:46] ‹shockcannon› if he's mafia then he wasted so much time
[17:17:05] ‹Calindu› What do you mean?
[17:17:14] ‹Calindu› I don't think there's any way mafia ends the game earlier
[17:17:15] ‹shockcannon› ddevans is way more town than root btw
[17:17:19] ‹shockcannon› look at day 1 votes
[17:17:34] ‹shockcannon› Linkcat and Espithel join a train on ddevans to move vote off espithel
[17:17:57] ‹Calindu› The lynch on Linkcat had to happen, it was either him or ddevans
[17:18:01] ‹shockcannon› no way does mafia almost risk killing their own member just to avoid another member getting killed, who they know GN found
[17:18:35] ‹Calindu› Yeah, idk, I'm pretty sure a team with ddevans/Linkcat/Espithel are well capable to pull of constant bussing and double bussing
[17:18:39] ‹shockcannon› 0 chance ddevans is mafia unless mafia took the biggest gamble of their lives on day 1 voting, which had a ridiculously small payoff
[17:18:56] ‹Calindu› Because they are capable to easily win a lylo if they are believed to be town
[17:20:43] ‹shockcannon› alright
[17:20:46] ‹shockcannon› if you want my honest opinion
[17:20:53] ‹shockcannon› i'm like 95% sure its root and ginyu at this point
[17:21:15] ‹shockcannon› I just did some reasoning, and in my mind there's no way you or ddevans is mafia
[17:21:24] ‹Calindu› But yeah, my main read is that there's a mafia Anubis, but I don't believe it's ddevans
[17:22:12] ‹shockcannon› i'll wait to see mathman and ginyu claim, but I think there's a good chance root lied about his role and is actually something like psion
[17:22:52] ‹Calindu› Well, Root's role was really the easiest to lie about
[17:23:31] ‹Calindu› There's legit almost no way someone catches that with the known roles
[17:23:33] ‹shockcannon› root lying forces mathman and ginyu into only 2 roles that they can claim
[17:23:44] ‹shockcannon› and if they don't claim those 2 roles, I out them instantly with the knowledge I have
[17:24:21] ‹shockcannon› 1 of those roles if mafia anubis
[17:24:28] ‹shockcannon› lets see if they have the balls to claim anubis
[17:24:33] ‹Wyand›
(5d6) 6 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 2 = 15 ...
[17:25:00] ‹shockcannon› my prediction, they feign afk and don't respond
[17:25:01] ‹Calindu› I'm curious about the claims too
[17:25:29] ‹shockcannon› and then they hope town doesn't lynch afk who hasn't had a chance to share info
[17:25:49] ‹Calindu› They better respond
[17:26:11] ‹shockcannon› what will you do if they dont respond?
[17:26:53] ‹Calindu› Well, I believe we'll have to take a chance at one of them
[17:29:00] Wyand left.
[17:29:36] ‹Calindu› Or just no lynch, but that needs them to not afk next day phase
[17:30:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Performance of the Day from DANIEELA in Music. Shhh... don't tell anyone.
[17:30:04] ‹shockcannon› no lynch means you die
[17:30:21] ‹Calindu› I believe so
Post by: mathman101 on June 16, 2019, 12:48:17 am
Current reads;
Town - Rootranger, shockcannon, Ginyu, calindu, ddevans - mafia
I still want to vote ddevans, but willing to vote calin or ginyu if that is where the votes are going to try and avoid creating a no lynch scenario.
For now I'll add my vote on calin, with ddevans. Even though I would prefer to be voting on dd. (Please can someone do this for me. I'm on mobile)
For role, i have an information role, but I have barely been using it due to inactivity. I targeted iancu N0, shock N1, linkcat N2, forgot about it N3 N4 and N5, and then targeted calin N6. I caught fireflies both N3 and N4 when I forgot to use my ability, no idea of it was calin or link who targeted me though.
I dont know when the next time I'll have a free moment to come back here, but if possible ill check in again.
Post by: Mobian on June 16, 2019, 01:37:16 am
Out of town on holidays, so less than usual activity I have had all game. Sorry. Found some internet and a free moment away from family, so I wanted to peak in here.
Current reads;
Town - Rootranger, shockcannon, Ginyu, calindu, ddevans - mafia
I still want to vote ddevans, but willing to vote calin or ginyu if that is where the votes are going to try and avoid creating a no lynch scenario.
For now I'll add my vote on calin, with ddevans. Even though I would prefer to be voting on dd. (Please can someone do this for me. I'm on mobile)
For role, i have an information role, but I have barely been using it due to inactivity. I targeted iancu N0, shock N1, linkcat N2, forgot about it N3 N4 and N5, and then targeted calin N6. I caught fireflies both N3 and N4 when I forgot to use my ability, no idea of it was calin or link who targeted me though.
I dont know when the next time I'll have a free moment to come back here, but if possible ill check in again.
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (2) - ddevans96, mathman101
Ginyu (1) - shockcannon
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 02:09:55 am
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
More later, just got back from Pride and I'm exhausted and hungry.
Post by: RootRanger on June 16, 2019, 05:22:52 am
shockcannon (1) - Ginyu
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (3) - shockcannon, ddevans96, RootRanger
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 08:16:20 am
Cal - You should try to make your vote decision with a little bit of time to spare. I can probably be on at deadline, although I can't absolutely guarantee it. We can stall at deadline and make sure we ORCHESTRATE a decision that as many people as possible are comfortable with.
math - You should elaborate on your information, if you're available. There's no reason not to provide town with that at this point - the game is much harder to win in this situation without as much information as we can get. Knowing you're an information role is very useful, but we need more.
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 09:55:49 am
For role, i have an information role, but I have barely been using it due to inactivity. I targeted iancu N0, shock N1, linkcat N2, forgot about it N3 N4 and N5, and then targeted calin N6. I caught fireflies both N3 and N4 when I forgot to use my ability, no idea of it was calin or link who targeted me though.
Linkcat was my N0 target, I know his role and what he got targeted by. He got guarded N1 and an Anubis targeted him N2.
Well, this is a pretty big inconsistency, really. I had my Firefly on Linkcat since N0, so there is no way it would have not seen your ability.
Please, full claim, all info, maybe you can explain it, but for now I'll vote on you.
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (2) - shockcannon, ddevans96
mathman101 (1) - Calindu
I still want Ginyu's roleclaim.
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 10:00:22 am
My vote will still stand for now, regardless of the answer, because of mathman providing a small part of the info.
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 10:03:14 am
Actually, how does Immaterial work with abilities targeting you during the same night, do the abilities work or not?I am not sure I understand the scenario you are describing (who targets who?). Can you give an example?
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 10:05:38 am
Actually, how does Immaterial work with abilities targeting you during the same night, do the abilities work or not?I am not sure I understand the scenario you are describing (who targets who?). Can you give an example?
Linkcat gets targeted by Anubis and Psion during the same night, does the Psion activate, or not?
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 10:19:07 am
Linkcat gets targeted by Anubis and Psion during the same night, does the Psion activate, or not?Anubis has a higher priority than Psion, so if the target successfully becomes Immaterial, then the Psion cannot normally reach the target. In that case, the Psion's ability would fail.
Post by: Ginyu on June 16, 2019, 12:34:49 pm
I am a Seraph, protecting myself on Nights 0, 3 and 5. I did not get information out of that.
At the beginning of the game, I pretended Graboid on dawn's behalf to cover Graboids in the game, which by now we can assume do not exist. In the middle of the game, mafia started to NK inactive players, and as I was rather demoralized by that time, I was inactive myself. I kept staying low to maybe soak up a nightkill, giving us another day. Even if they hit me on an unprotected night, it would have killed a less powerful, althought not terrible, role. I expected people to realize by that point that I am probably not a real Graboid from what I've read (which is also why I avoided voting, as I expected to get lynched for that right away), and thought mafia might consider me staying low as a strong role worth killing.
Initially I wasn't sure whether I should use my role at all, as it would block investigation and NK. After the NK on Night 0 failed however, I realized that might be more helpful. Nights 3 and 5 especially since I tried to bait one onto me.
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 01:11:14 pm
Here are my target and my results, they will have the form Night number | Target | Results:
N0 | Linkcat | Linkcat - Queen
N1 | MW | Linkcat - Queen, Guard
N2 | RootRanger | Linkcat - Queen, Immortal
N3 | mathman | Linkcat - Queen
N4 | immortal_feud | Linkcat - Queen
N5 | immortal_feud (At the request of Mobian) | immortal_feud - Nightkill
N6 | Ginyu | Ginyu - Unstoppable
So we have 2 options I believe:
1. No lynch, Ginyu uses Seraph, Root uses his ability on mathman, mathman uses his ability on someone, I don't get NKed.
Now this can easily get us all the information we need, but if I die, it's not good, so I don't like it.
2. Lynch either Ginyu or mathman and hope we are right.
This is very risky, as it's a blind 50/50 in my opinion, but it can work if we make the right choice.
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 03:26:57 pm
There is another mind flayer.
1.) moehrpi was given immaterial by anubis on N0 or N1.
2.) moehrpi was given momentum by Mobian on N0 or N1.
3.) I was blocked by another mind flayer (which none of you claimed).
Now, scenario 1 is unlikely because mafia wouldn't be randomly giving moehrpi immaterial. I also successfully blocked moehrpi N0, which makes this scenario even more unlikely. Scenario 2 would require Mobian randomly targeting moehrpi as his first target. I suppose it's possible but I also feel like this is unlikely. Scenario 3 is what I'm 99% sure happened, and none of you have claimed mind flayer.
Now, you may all say that scenario 2 is quite likely, but now I'm going to add a little more. N3 I targeted Insig and my ability failed again. The 3 scenarios we have listed above are AGAIN the only possible scenarios for why my ability failed since I have priority over everyone. Now, what are the odds that Mobian (with an EoR ability) just happened to hit moehrpi N0 and then Insig N2? Possible again, but in my mind unlikely. Which means we have a mind flayer or anubis, possibly both.
Let's not forget that Insig's ability failed multiple times as well, and momentum does not stop guarding. Insig was town and had no reason to lie. Since I didn't block him any of the nights he said his ability failed, that means he was either blocked by another mind flayer or was hitting immaterial targets. This leads me to believe that I was indeed blocked by another mind flayer as opposed to my targets having momentum from Mobian.
Now on to the anubis.
Calindu claims Anubis targeted Linkcat N2 and ddevans claims it wasn't him. Now, if both are telling the truth then mathman, Ginyu, or RootRanger is anubis and lying. If none of those 3 are Anubis, then either Calindu or ddevans is lying. But at least someone is caught in a lie now. So that's two lies we have at the very least.
But what if I'm lying?
So I claimed mindflayer on N2 and shared my targets (with N0 on moehrpi and N1 on Ginyu both being successful). Well guess what, if you go back through the posts, BOTH GINYU AND MOEHRPI confirmed that they were indeed blocked on N0 and N1. And moehrpi is confirmed town. So yeah, I'm mind flayer and I have two accounts to support that. So good luck trying to throw blame on me. Two of you are lying and those two are our mafia.
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 03:36:55 pm
But I will confirm being blocked N0. Although this conflicts with Coffee's theory in chat written down by Espi.
I can't find Ginyu saying he was blocked N1. May have been in a chat log or I misremembered so sorry about that. But here's is the confirmation from moehrpi who is confirmed town. One more thing, Day 2 (after N2 when my ability failed on moehrpi) I claimed GN that visited Linkcat. Well, if there was a town mind flayer they would be outing me instantly here. But no mind flayer outed me. Likely it was a mafia mind flayer. Also, I'm fairly certain they started blocking me that night after I claimed GN to try and save ian. I know they thought MW was GN, but they covered their bases by blocking me, especially in case I was crusader or something.
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 03:53:23 pm
[16:08:39] ‹shockcannon› oh
[16:08:40] ‹shockcannon› its time
[16:10:43] ‹Calindu› Hope you can make some sense out of what has been posted and find out who's lying
[16:27:04] ‹shockcannon› posted
[16:30:36] ‹Calindu› When did Ginyu claim he got blocked on N1?
[16:32:30] ‹Calindu› Not trying to blame, I just genuinely don't find anything like that in his post history
[16:33:35] ‹shockcannon› yeah
[16:33:39] ‹shockcannon› i can't either
[16:33:46] ‹shockcannon› i think it may have been a chatlog or i misremembered
[16:33:54] ‹shockcannon› i found moehrpi's though and that's really all that matters
[16:36:04] ‹Calindu› Do you get the message you got blocked if you didn't use any ability?
[16:37:03] ‹Calindu› Because Seraph is EoR, right? so if it was used on N0, it could have not been used on N1
[16:37:21] ‹shockcannon› no you do not
[16:39:21] ‹Calindu› Well, let's say I believe you, despite that problem, who do you think is lying?
[16:39:32] ‹Calindu› I think it's pretty clear that 2 people are lying about their roles
[16:40:17] ‹shockcannon› there is either a mind flayer or anubis
[16:40:19] ‹shockcannon› possibly both
[16:40:31] ‹shockcannon› I think mathman's claim is terrible
[16:40:49] ‹shockcannon› root and ginyu also had terrible claims though
[16:41:14] ‹Calindu› Well, Ginyu offered enough information and I didn't catch any lie
[16:41:32] ‹Calindu› And he couldn't be sure about who I targeted each night
[16:41:40] ‹Calindu› Because I posted after him
[16:42:25] ‹Calindu› Did we ever get dd's targets?
[16:42:29] ‹Calindu› I don't think we did
[16:42:32] ‹shockcannon› @ddevans96
[16:42:34] ‹shockcannon› you gotta post now
[16:42:50] ‹shockcannon› ddevans not posting makes him kind of look like anubis that targeted linkcat
[16:42:54] ‹shockcannon› which would make him mafia
[16:43:54] ‹Calindu› I'm not comfortable switching on him this late into the round, because he really seems town from the latest interactions
[16:44:52] ‹Calindu› But at the same time, I am 100% dead during the next night phase, so I can't influence anything next day phase
[16:45:05] ‹shockcannon› I'm fairly certain mafia's votes are split right now
[16:45:07] ‹shockcannon› which confuses me
[16:46:20] ‹shockcannon› okay at this moment, I'm quite certain there is another mind flayer and an anubis in play
[16:48:27] ‹shockcannon› both mathman and Root shared stories that are vague and not confirmable
[16:48:44] ‹shockcannon› so if nothing else gets posted I'm going to have to go with one of them
[16:51:26] ‹Calindu› It could be mathman, yeah, his story provides almost no good info
[16:51:29] ‹Calindu› Despite asking for it
[16:08:40] ‹shockcannon› its time
[16:10:43] ‹Calindu› Hope you can make some sense out of what has been posted and find out who's lying
[16:27:04] ‹shockcannon› posted
[16:30:36] ‹Calindu› When did Ginyu claim he got blocked on N1?
[16:32:30] ‹Calindu› Not trying to blame, I just genuinely don't find anything like that in his post history
[16:33:35] ‹shockcannon› yeah
[16:33:39] ‹shockcannon› i can't either
[16:33:46] ‹shockcannon› i think it may have been a chatlog or i misremembered
[16:33:54] ‹shockcannon› i found moehrpi's though and that's really all that matters
[16:36:04] ‹Calindu› Do you get the message you got blocked if you didn't use any ability?
[16:37:03] ‹Calindu› Because Seraph is EoR, right? so if it was used on N0, it could have not been used on N1
[16:37:21] ‹shockcannon› no you do not
[16:39:21] ‹Calindu› Well, let's say I believe you, despite that problem, who do you think is lying?
[16:39:32] ‹Calindu› I think it's pretty clear that 2 people are lying about their roles
[16:40:17] ‹shockcannon› there is either a mind flayer or anubis
[16:40:19] ‹shockcannon› possibly both
[16:40:31] ‹shockcannon› I think mathman's claim is terrible
[16:40:49] ‹shockcannon› root and ginyu also had terrible claims though
[16:41:14] ‹Calindu› Well, Ginyu offered enough information and I didn't catch any lie
[16:41:32] ‹Calindu› And he couldn't be sure about who I targeted each night
[16:41:40] ‹Calindu› Because I posted after him
[16:42:25] ‹Calindu› Did we ever get dd's targets?
[16:42:29] ‹Calindu› I don't think we did
[16:42:32] ‹shockcannon› @ddevans96
[16:42:34] ‹shockcannon› you gotta post now
[16:42:50] ‹shockcannon› ddevans not posting makes him kind of look like anubis that targeted linkcat
[16:42:54] ‹shockcannon› which would make him mafia
[16:43:54] ‹Calindu› I'm not comfortable switching on him this late into the round, because he really seems town from the latest interactions
[16:44:52] ‹Calindu› But at the same time, I am 100% dead during the next night phase, so I can't influence anything next day phase
[16:45:05] ‹shockcannon› I'm fairly certain mafia's votes are split right now
[16:45:07] ‹shockcannon› which confuses me
[16:46:20] ‹shockcannon› okay at this moment, I'm quite certain there is another mind flayer and an anubis in play
[16:48:27] ‹shockcannon› both mathman and Root shared stories that are vague and not confirmable
[16:48:44] ‹shockcannon› so if nothing else gets posted I'm going to have to go with one of them
[16:51:26] ‹Calindu› It could be mathman, yeah, his story provides almost no good info
[16:51:29] ‹Calindu› Despite asking for it
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 04:00:47 pm
So mathman has to be claiming either dragonfly or psion. If he's psion then he's the reason mafia knew all the important abilities and killed them off at seemingly the perfect time every night. If he's dragonfly, then idk. This story seems unlikely. Linkcat also protected him when we were going to lynch him over moehrpi.
shockcannon (2) - Ginyu, RootRanger
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (1) - ddevans96
mathman101 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 04:33:45 pm
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (2) - ddevans96, RootRanger
mathman101 (2) - Calindu, shockcannon
I copied Calindu's vote count which was incorrect and still had Root on me.
Post by: Ginyu on June 16, 2019, 04:39:43 pm
If we are going to lynch either him or me, I obviously choose him. I am still not content with shock, but Calindu provided good posts throughout the game and I don't think he ever lied or did questionable actions. I gotta trust someone, so I'll pick him and hope for the best.
Calindu (1) - mathman101
Ginyu (2) - ddevans96, RootRanger
mathman101 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Ginyu
Quote from: shockcannon
I can't find Ginyu saying he was blocked N1. May have been in a chat log or I misremembered so sorry about that.You misremembered.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 05:34:17 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 05:36:33 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 05:41:09 pm
Ginyu (3) - ddevans96, RootRanger, mathman101
mathman101 (3) - Calindu, shockcannon, Ginyu
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Ginyu (2) - RootRanger, mathman101
mathman101 (4) - Calindu, shockcannon, Ginyu, ddevans96
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 05:54:59 pm
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 05:59:02 pm
mathman101 (4) - shockcannon, Ginyu, ddevans96
Forcing overtime
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 05:59:16 pm
mathman101 (3) - shockcannon, Ginyu, ddevans96
EBWOP: Fixed numbers
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 06:03:42 pm
mathman101 (2) - shockcannon, Ginyu
reset
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 06:06:55 pm
mathman101 (3) - shockcannon, Ginyu, Calindu
Reset
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:09:43 pm
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, Calindu
RootRanger (1) - shockcannon
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 06:13:27 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, ddevans96
RootRanger (1) - shockcannon
reset
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 06:15:52 pm
Ginyu (1) - RootRanger
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, Calindu, ddevans96
RootRanger (2) - shockcannon, mathman101
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 06:16:37 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, ddevans96
RootRanger (2) - shockcannon, mathman101
EBWOP: Messed up the numbers, again
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 06:20:12 pm
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, Calindu
RootRanger (2) - shockcannon, mathman101
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:24:47 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, shockcannon
RootRanger (1) - mathman101
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:26:15 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 06:28:43 pm
Ginyu (3) - RootRanger, ddevans96, mathman101The reason why shock can move mathman's vote is that math requested it in chat.
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, shockcannon
[20:25:23] ‹Guest-HornedFrog-b3e8d› Switch me back to ginyu. Gotta try and stay alive here if we want town to have a chance
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 06:29:55 pm
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, shockcannon
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 06:31:50 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, shockcannon, ddevans96
Post by: Calindu on June 16, 2019, 06:34:27 pm
mathman101 (4) - Ginyu, shockcannon, ddevans96, Calindu
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 06:39:32 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, shockcannon, Calindu
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:43:37 pm
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, Calindu
just in case
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:46:39 pm
mathman101 (2) - Ginyu, Calindu, shockcannon
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 06:46:54 pm
mathman101 (3) - Ginyu, Calindu, shockcannon
#numbers
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 06:49:35 pm
Ginyu (2) - RootRanger, mathman101
mathman101 (4) - Ginyu, shockcannon, ddevans96, Calindu
Night 7
mathman101 died. He was an Elemental and a Psion.
I guess everyone knows what this means. But just in case, a revelatory post will be made soonTM.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 16, 2019, 06:52:08 pm
Mathman confirmed town, so now all of you can tell based on that info alone ;)
Post by: shockcannon on June 16, 2019, 07:29:58 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 07:41:14 pm
Game End
There was no sound, there were no explanations. The Elementals got overpowered, while Seism and Osiris reigned supreme. It was an overwhelming victory for the False Gods. In the Afterlife (http://pad.elementscommunity.org/p/Peaceful_Land), the Elementals convened and discussed what they could have done better, what they should have done better. But even though they lost, it was a fair loss. The False Gods played better. Well, friends, so long, and thanks for all the fish.~
| Player Name | Primary Role | Secondary Role | Died On | Died By |
| JonathanCrazyJ | Elemental | Fate Egg, Guardian Angel | Day 1 | Lynch |
| PlayerOa | Elemental | Seraph | Night 1 | Nightkill |
| iancudorinmarian | Elemental | Fate Egg, Otyugh | Day 2 | Lynch |
| dawn to dusk | Elemental | Otyugh | Night 2 | Nightkill |
| Coffeeditto | Elemental | Iridium Warden | Day 3 | Modkill |
| moehrpi | Elemental | Guardian Angel | Day 3 | Lynch |
| kaempfer13 | Elemental | Otyugh | Night 3 | Nightkill |
| Espithel | Paradox | Green Nymph | Day 4 | Lynch |
| MasterWalks | Elemental | Golden Nymph | Night 4 | Nightkill |
| Linkcat | Fire Queen | Firefly Queen | Day 5 | Lynch |
| immortal_feud | Elemental | Crusader, Golden Nymph | Night 5 | Nightkill |
| InsignificantWeeaboo | Elemental | Iridium Warden | Day 6 | Lynch |
| Mobian | Elemental | Amber Nymph | Night 6 | Nightkill |
| mathman101 | Elemental | Psion | Day 7 | Lynch |
| ddevans96 | Elemental | Anubis | Day 7 | Losing |
| shockcannon | Elemental | Mind Flayer | Day 7 | Losing |
| Calindu | Elemental | Firefly Queen | Day 7 | Losing |
Alive:
15. RootRanger: Seism, Mind Flayer
17. Ginyu: Osiris, Anubis
- It was not a coincidence. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-71-by-submachine/msg1289446/#msg1289446)
- Two of the Mafia were targeted by two different Golden Nymphs on Night 0.
- Linkcat's targets were always 100% on point when it mattered. He almost managed to Flay+Kill JCJ on Night 0, he found 2 Golden Nymphs in action, and avoided MasterWalks from finding RootRanger on Night 4.
- On Day 1, if ddevans got lynched over JCJ, then mafia planned to target JCJ again (because he voted, and cannot be protected twice in a row by Angel or Seraph). However, JCJ was a Fate Egg, who was about to roll Seraph. If JCJ hadn't died, he would have avoided TWO NIGHTKILLS in a row.
- The decisive vote on Day 1 was of MasterWalks, who voted on the same pile where Espi voted, even though he knew Espi was mafia.
- Noone roleblocked iancu, he and the Wardens just kept having the same targets. The Wardens saved 1 mafia (Root on Night 0) and 1 Town (ddevans on Night 1).
- Mafia didn't need a Psion, because they had Firefly Queen. By the last few days, Town completely ruled out that Link could have found all necessary information before he died.
I will check what's up with Night 1 and shock after I'm done with this post.
Post by: Submachine on June 16, 2019, 07:50:39 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 16, 2019, 08:12:03 pm
I'm sorry I sounded so angry at times. I was taking the game too seriously, and I didn't feel like I was playing as well as I can and it got into my head. I'll stay out of future mafias unless I'm sure I'm stable enough to play respectfully.
My biggest mistakes were not defending moe when I was sure he was town, tunneling IW when I should have known he was just rogue town, and not putting the pieces together about Ginyu and Root until too late.
On the other hand, I'm very happy with my reads over the course of the game on Link, shock, and Mobian, so it wasn't my worst effort ever.
Post by: Linkcat on June 17, 2019, 02:19:11 am
I am planning on recording a MafiaCast tomorrow in the Discord voice chat to talk about the game, so if you want to be in it let me know what times work for you.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 17, 2019, 03:30:42 am
gg
I am planning on recording a MafiaCast tomorrow in the Discord voice chat to talk about the game, so if you want to be in it let me know what times work for you.
Is there any way I can participate without talking?
Post by: Linkcat on June 17, 2019, 05:00:53 am
Post by: Submachine on June 17, 2019, 05:56:59 am
if you want to be in it let me know what times work for you.If it's on workdays, then GMT 16-20 for me. But I would prefer if the time would be better for the other players.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2019, 08:03:35 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 17, 2019, 10:11:28 am
Post by: moehrpi on June 17, 2019, 11:14:28 am
Obligatory edit: shock, why?
Post by: Linkcat on June 17, 2019, 11:21:35 am
Post by: MasterWalks on June 17, 2019, 07:09:28 pm
Post by: Espithel on June 17, 2019, 07:46:19 pm
Can we have a poll for worst player? I feel thats just as important. No points awarded or deducted, just bragging rights.
I wouldn't even vote for you.
Post by: dawn to dusk on June 18, 2019, 02:45:08 am
Post by: Submachine on June 18, 2019, 06:20:17 am
The Graboid is targeted by the GN while he is a Shrieker. GN confirms the Shrieker publicly. Shrieker burrows. Everyone sends roles and info to the Graboid. The Graboid is then an unkillable, confirmed Town, who can freely speak.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 18, 2019, 06:45:07 am
By the way, for future games, it is worth avoiding a game breaking strategy that only requires a Graboid, a Golden Nymph, and private messaging.
The Graboid is targeted by the GN while he is a Shrieker. GN confirms the Shrieker publicly. Shrieker burrows. Everyone sends roles and info to the Graboid. The Graboid is then an unkillable, confirmed Town, who can freely speak.
Easy solution: never allow private messaging.
Post by: MasterWalks on June 18, 2019, 06:53:11 pm
Contrary to popular opinion, I miss being able to PM. That was much harder and a lot of fun. Though, it does cause a pretty dead thread until voting.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 18, 2019, 07:21:22 pm
iancudorinmarian joined.
shockcannon [»] iancudorinmarian: hey kid, I know you're mafia
Every. Single. Time.
Post by: Submachine on June 18, 2019, 07:24:09 pm
Post by: Mobian on June 19, 2019, 12:18:19 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 19, 2019, 04:46:00 am
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on June 19, 2019, 08:11:25 am
Post by: Mobian on June 19, 2019, 08:22:44 am
Srsly? Forum pms are so fun.
Agreed, but they do have the downside of lowering overall activity in the thread or other public venues.
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on June 19, 2019, 08:39:14 am
Post by: Linkcat on June 19, 2019, 11:31:52 am
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2019, 12:17:10 pm
Post by: Linkcat on June 19, 2019, 01:25:10 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 19, 2019, 01:57:32 pm
Srsly? Forum pms are so fun.
We should host a game of survivor then ^^ but yeah, what link said. PMs are fun but they break the game setup and/or make the main chat empty.
Anyone remember the Civy Centrals of old?
Post by: Mobian on June 19, 2019, 03:45:08 pm
Post by: Submachine on June 19, 2019, 04:01:16 pm
Honestly, if I were to change anything, it would be to shorten the AFK modkill requirement. Last game we had SO MANY inactive townies, and that actively hurt us. These guys would pop in once every 3 phases and say a lil something, and go AWOL again. This might sound a bit callous, but if you know you don't have the time to commit to this, please don't sign up... :/I don't disagree with you, but emergencies can happen, especially to those with jobs, children, etc. Instead of the "no posting for 3 consecutive phases" thing, we could rewrite it to "no posting in X phases total, in any order". Then it would only punish people who are consistently not posting.
I would also change this rule to not count Night phases, because Night phases are supposed to be when people use their abilties, not when they discuss their important agendas. Furthermore, by talking at Night, people just attract the Nightkill to themselves. These reasons also indicate that Night phases should not be longer than 24 hours.
TL;DR! Here is my suggestion:
- Night phases are 24 hour long. + Only those players are modkilled who haven't talked for any three Day phases.
Post by: kaempfer13 on June 23, 2019, 09:44:43 pm
MasterWalks: "Espithel is mafia"
Iancudorinmarian: "Wait, what? "
Ddevans96: "Im ok with anyone getting lynched so long as it's not me"
RootRanger: "I buss my entire team, so please lynch shock already"
Ginyu:"Im
d2d:"Chirp, chirp"
Mathman101:"."
InsignificantWeeaboo:"I roleblocked x and also some other ability just cuz" tbf it took me way too long to realize how terrible warden was myself
Edit: (please no modkill :P)
Moehrpi: "ill make an analysis tomor-argh"
Mobian: "Dont worry Ill roleclaim anyways"
Post by: MasterWalks on June 23, 2019, 09:58:05 pm
I hated town...
Post by: Submachine on June 24, 2019, 04:42:13 am
It was a moral dilemma what to do in case two of your townreads are the top two lynches. In that case, should you REALLY avoid a No Lynch by voting on one of them?
Post by: Linkcat on June 25, 2019, 07:42:27 am
Post by: Submachine on June 25, 2019, 08:15:01 am
Third place I have to give to Ginyu. His strategy was to hide in the shadows while others took the heat. While an excellent strategy, staying low takes less effort than going in the thick of it and staying alive.
Then we have kaempfer and Linkcat, the best player of Town and the true orchestrator of Mafia. It's a tough choice, but I gotta give this to Linkcat. He not only manipulated the majority of Town for half of the game, but his targets were on point when it mattered and got all information for Mafia before he got lynched, eventually making Town think that Mafia has a Psion.
Well played, all three. But especially congratulations to Linkcat. :)
Now, if only you were not so adamant about 48 hour long Night phases...
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 25, 2019, 08:44:06 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 25, 2019, 01:44:37 pm