Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat

[dawn to dusk]

He knows as much information as we do, plus everything else. And to add to that, he is a very competent player. Blindly following him honestly isn't a bad idea due to this, but naturally, it's fine to be wary, and the first day or two where he doesn't know too much information it's fine to wait and see how he votes in following days.

[Submachine]

My biggest worry right now is the fate of those who don't send in their roles. As of now, 11 out of 14 people claimed to have sent in their roles. But what about the other 3? If Root decides to vote them out based solely on their lack of cooperation, we might be ordered to hang some Town members. But if we let people get away with not sending their roles, then this plan does feel somewhat wasted.

At minimum, I feel like we should pressure those on the inactive end of the chain. At best, we should keep Root updated with our findings and suspicions.

On a side note, while there are 3 mafia and 3 people who haven't sent in their roles, I believe this is merely a coincidence. However, it is not out of the question that at least one of them is a hiding mafioso.

[iancudorinmarian]

My biggest worry right now is the fate of those who don't send in their roles. As of now, 11 out of 14 people claimed to have sent in their roles. But what about the other 3? If Root decides to vote them out based solely on their lack of cooperation, we might be ordered to hang some Town members. But if we let people get away with not sending their roles, then this plan does feel somewhat wasted.

At minimum, I feel like we should pressure those on the inactive end of the chain. At best, we should keep Root updated with our findings and suspicions.

On a side note, while there are 3 mafia and 3 people who haven't sent in their roles, I believe this is merely a coincidence. However, it is not out of the question that at least one of them is a hiding mafioso.

I'd argue that the 3 people that did not send their role are actually town. Mafia has no reason to attract suspicion by not sending the role. Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.

[Submachine]

That is a fair argument. Even I said they are not necessarily mafia. My problem is if not all people cooperate, that wastes the full potential of the Phoenix plan.

However, I would also argue that it makes sense for the mafia to don't cooperate. We should not rule out the possibility that at least one of the non-senders is mafia, because an inactive mafioso is the hardest to find.

Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.

This scenario would be suspicious though. I'm not the Ash, but this would warrant a vote from me if I noticed something like this.

[DoubleCapitals]

I thought everyone sending their roles was a forgone conclusion, so I didn't message.

But yeah, fine, sent my role yesterday

[iancudorinmarian]

However, I would also argue that it makes sense for the mafia to don't cooperate. We should not rule out the possibility that at least one of the non-senders is mafia, because an inactive mafioso is the hardest to find.

No, it makes 0 sense for them to not cooperate and attract suspicion. As mafia, you have no reason not to send a role (even if it's your real role or not).

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

Though even if a mafioso did send in a fake role, there's a decent chance someone else sent in the same role. At the same time, it's also harder for Root to tell who has the real role...

[iancudorinmarian]

Though even if a mafioso did send in a fake role, there's a decent chance someone else sent in the same role. At the same time, it's also harder for Root to tell who has the real role...

There can be duplicate roles according to Linkcat. Two people with the same role does not mean one of them is mafia.

Reference: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1287975/#msg1287975

[MasterWalks]

Spoiler for Blab Convo:

[10:53:07] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› So master
[10:53:18] ‹MasterWalks› ya
[10:53:25] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I think I know your secondary role
[10:53:34] ‹MasterWalks› oh?
[10:53:41] ‹MasterWalks› i bet you dont
[10:53:45] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› It can only be 2 things or you have placed too much trust in someone else
[10:54:02] ‹MasterWalks› but if you think you do pm me. you get one guess, and ill tell you if youre wrong or right
[10:54:52] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I don’t need your confirmation
[10:54:59] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› There’s no guesswork involved here
[10:55:12] ‹MasterWalks› i dont neeed your assumption
[10:55:20] ‹MasterWalks› cuz i bet 1k youre wrong
[10:55:31] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Lol
[10:57:05] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› 1k says JCJ dies tonight
[10:57:48] ‹MasterWalks› i will not be taking that bet.
[10:59:43] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› What if I told you a mafia is in chat right now
[10:59:58] ‹MasterWalks› sounds like you know a lotta info
[11:00:27] ‹MasterWalks› also, hearing how youve PM'd JCJ some information, it sounds like youve placed too much trust in someone
[11:01:04] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Oh you have much to learn
[11:01:18] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› That PM was a test for JCJ
[11:01:23] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Luckily for him he passed
[11:02:00] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This convo needs to go in thread.
[11:02:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s in rules.
[11:02:08] ‹MasterWalks› hmmm, i beg to differ.
[11:02:23] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› convo is not over yet. we will post it.
[11:02:36] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Good.
[11:04:37] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Crap
[11:04:40] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› When is deadline?
[11:04:52] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I need to talk to someone beforehand in case I die tonight

For those who do not frequent blab, MinorPhoenix is shockcannon

[shockcannon]

@Mafia Don't waste your time killing me tonight. I lied about using my schrodinger's cat ability night 0. I'm using it tonight. As an alternative I suggest you check out ian's lame face. I heard it's quite lame. You should check for yourself.

@ian You're going to regret turning down my offer. You think you can avoid me but I will battle you. I know you're afraid of me, but you will have to face me eventually. You can't hide forever. Give in before you waste all your precious energy that you'll need for our fight. I'll even ban dials to sweeten the deal.

[DoubleCapitals]

Do you want fries with that

[MasterWalks]

@Mafia Don't waste your time killing me tonight. I lied about using my schrodinger's cat ability night 0. I'm using it tonight. As an alternative I suggest you check out ian's lame face. I heard it's quite lame. You should check for yourself.

@ian You're going to regret turning down my offer. You think you can avoid me but I will battle you. I know you're afraid of me, but you will have to face me eventually. You can't hide forever. Give in before you waste all your precious energy that you'll need for our fight. I'll even ban dials to sweeten the deal.

With as much of a threat you've been posing to town, i think you may want to @Town instead of @mafia.