Elements Mafia 68 - by Kuroaitou

[rob77dp]

Someone stay on sol, please, odds are Link and Sol are maf team with Link defending

Also this -- if Coffee flips and is red then I'm pretty confident Sol is not-Criminal.

[rob77dp]

worldwideweb (2) - rob77dp, iancudorinmarian
Solaris (4) -  JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto, worldwideweb3, Lunaris
DoubleCapitals (1) - Submachine
Coffeeditto (5) - Linkcat, Solaris, UTAlan, ddevans96, gino

Seriously, managing to get some wagon/train/voting activity going earlier in the game is paying off now -- re-reading the game backwards right now and hence finding the nuggets you see me posting. They are separate so I can better react to them and keep going in my review.

Here this vote to me, from Luna onto Sol, is another brick on the Sol-is-not-Criminal wall _and_ feels slime-y like raw protection of Criminal-teammate Coffee. Really, if you have time, are town, and want to win -- re-read some of the previous EOD's especially votes and surrounding reason, no-reasons, or scumreads without voting or serious intent to vote.

[rob77dp]

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mathman101 (4) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto
DoubleCapitals (4) - ddevans96, Submachine, mathman, solaris
Lunaris (2) - rob77dp, gino
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mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, JonathanCrazyJ
DoubleCapitals (4) - ddevans96, Submachine, mathman, solaris
Lunaris (3) - rob77dp, gino, Coffeeditto

Mathman do this plz

*ugh*

Well, this tidbit is in Coffee's favor of being not-Criminal... a fairly high leverage vote from Coffee onto flipped Criminal!Lunaris. In fact, this gives great pause - but there are scum-reasons I could see this vote too. Going to have to ponder this as well as the other posts I'm digging up.

[Solaris]

[quote link=topic=64236.msg1260367#msg1260367 date=1489636091]
mathman101 (4) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, JonathanCrazyJ, Coffeeditto
DoubleCapitals (4) - ddevans96, Submachine, mathman, solaris
Lunaris (2) - rob77dp, gino

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mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Lunaris, JonathanCrazyJ
DoubleCapitals (4) - ddevans96, Submachine, mathman, solaris
Lunaris (3) - rob77dp, gino, Coffeeditto

Mathman do this plz

*ugh*

Well, this tidbit is in Coffee's favor of being not-Criminal... a fairly high leverage vote from Coffee onto flipped Criminal!Lunaris. In fact, this gives great pause - but there are scum-reasons I could see this vote too. Going to have to ponder this as well as the other posts I'm digging up.
[/quote]nah, think about it. it's a scum bus because scum knew they were going to get lynched because #1 townread player flipped off big stacks onto this character

[Solaris]

quote's dicked chief

[Submachine]

Plan stuff for later in case i get killed:
- ask gino to jail-mute someone, then check what notification comes with his ability. If it's different from Tranquilizer Dart, it confirms that there is a 2nd jailor.
- make kdz protect either rob or math. The protected person should then speak up next day about the notification (Rescue). That will make sure that math's target goes through
- speak up if you were 'Rescued' last night. If noone speaks up, it's unsafe to assume that fabian will die from Hitman ab.2
- do not target UTAlan when he can either protect himself or when he is bodyguarded, because all targeting is bounced off, even Student's and Politician's.
- when you are reaching minority, keep in mind that specific roles remove voting power for a day. Do not use these roles if it can push mafia into the majority
- with so few good nightkill targets, observers should switch to using ability 2 on potential NK targets. It provides better evidence than using ability 1 on someone who targeted the NK-d person

It's also worth mentioning that if either fabian or math flips Intelligence, then the other person is probably Intelligence too. If they are both Intel, it would make sense why math would suggest not killing fabian.

[Naii_the_Baf]

I don't talk much either way, so I'll suggest gino to jailor-mute me. (But not talking much is still a bad thing to do in mafia anyways, so I guess I'm kinda putting myself in a double-edged sword here.)

[rob77dp]

Plan stuff for later in case i get killed:
1. ask gino to jail-mute someone, then check what notification comes with his ability. If it's different from Tranquilizer Dart, it confirms that there is a 2nd jailor.
2. make kdz protect either rob or math. The protected person should then speak up next day about the notification (Rescue). That will make sure that math's target goes through
3. speak up if you were 'Rescued' last night. If noone speaks up, it's unsafe to assume that fabian will die from Hitman ab.2
4. do not target UTAlan when he can either protect himself or when he is bodyguarded, because all targeting is bounced off, even Student's and Politician's.
5. when you are reaching minority, keep in mind that specific roles remove voting power for a day. Do not use these roles if it can push mafia into the majority
6. with so few good nightkill targets, observers should switch to using ability 2 on potential NK targets. It provides better evidence than using ability 1 on someone who targeted the NK-d person

7. It's also worth mentioning that if either fabian or math flips Intelligence, then the other person is probably Intelligence too. If they are both Intel, it would make sense why math would suggest not killing fabian.

I added numbers there, Sub.

1. gino - are you game to follow this? If so, who is willing to volunteer as tribute?

2. I'd humbly request kdz to flip a coin for protecting either math or myself.

3. I don't know what you're trying to convey here, Sub.

4. Hmmmm, good point. I'd imagine even Criminals are avoiding that #1 Precedence ability going on there.

5. Right now it is 2 Criminals against 9 not-Criminals so it is a ways off I think but duly noted.

6. I'll clarify on that: Observers may be best served to Ability-1 on a scumread/suspect but to Ability-2 on a town-read/NK-possibility.

7. You lost me on that item...

[rob77dp]

Trying to keep this up-to-date just in case, ya know...

My reads at the moment:
not-Criminal-reads:
UTA

lesser-not-Criminal-reads:
Sol
Sub
mathman

smaller scum-leans:
dawn
gino
fabian
JCJ
kdz

scum-reads:
Coffee

[UTAlan]

@rob - How is gino one of your scum leans after he jumped on the Luna bandwagon so soon and easily? That nearly clears him as town, in my book. Interested to see what he's done that makes you think he might be mafia.

[rob77dp]

@rob - How is gino one of your scum leans after he jumped on the Luna bandwagon so soon and easily? That nearly clears him as town, in my book. Interested to see what he's done that makes you think he might be mafia.

Fundamental aspect of POE... he is simply not as towny, to my eyes/opinion/analysis, as the players above him: UTA, Sol, Sub, mathman, and dawn. I'll admit he is mostly interchangeable with dawn for the "most towny but POE puts them as possibly scum" slot.

UTA - any chance you'll be able to read-back through some prior EOD stuff and/or read-lists to get a renewed sense of direction overall?

[rob77dp]

not-Criminal-reads:
UTA

lesser-not-Criminal-reads:
Sol
Sub
mathman

smaller scum-leans:
dawn
gino
fabian
JCJ
kdz

scum-reads:
Coffee

If Coffee flips and is red then:
1. My reads list gets a town bump onto Sol, gino, and fabian (descending order of strength of current town-read).
2. kdz/JCJ become my top suspects.

(Trying to be as useful as possible here before I might die...)