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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157080#msg1157080
« Reply #60 on: September 25, 2014, 01:32:47 am »
I already have a plan, but first I want everyone to reply:

a) Would you rather have fun or ruin a mafia with already sluggish organization by another roleclaim?
b) How active will you be during this mafia? (if you don't reply, you will be not only suspicious, but also a burden. a good target to lynch)



a)  I hate massclaims, but it might be useful.
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157088#msg1157088
« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2014, 03:12:02 am »
Roleclaims are not some sort of insta-win tactic. In fact, in most mafias, they're not even a good idea. The last few mafias have been exceptions. Mass roleclaims have been the best strategies not because they're inherently overpowered, but because they happened to work based on the way the rules were set up.

In the past couple mafias - which have been exceptions, not the rule - there were very few vanilla civilian roles, if any. This means the mafia could not disguise themselves as vanilla civilians. This mafia is different in the sense that the majority (7/13) of the civilians are vanillas. If a mass roleclaim occurs, the 3 mafias blend in with the 7 vanillas, and if we lynch someone who claims they're a vanilla civilian, there's only a 30% chance we manage to lynch a mafia. In the last game, the mafia had to claim a role that was already taken, meaning we had a 50% chance to lynch a mafia, which then became 100% if we got it wrong the first time.

Simply put, the math does not work out in favor of a mass roleclaim. It's not worth revealing crucial information to the mafia just to have a slightly higher chance of lynching a mafia.

This is all exacerbated by the existence of the Cyberman role. Even if we come up with a small alliance of players who are confirmed, the mafia can easily infiltrate this alliance and destroy it from the inside.

Mass roleclaim is not worth it, seriously. If you have an important role, you need to keep it secret from the mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157089#msg1157089
« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2014, 03:16:24 am »
I stayed up til 11 waiting for role flip... c'mon :P
Question to everybody, though you dont have to answer.
Reguardless of the plan sub and root are conjuring, if they wernt making a plan at all, who would you vote for?
My answer: Skyironsword.
You're reasoning? if you so choose to share.
She hasn't spoken at all as far as I can tell. A non-communicative townie is hinderous. You dont just start out the game knowing who you're allies are for you to be dead silent. Now, saying "I choose not to speak with you" is tons better then not saying any response. I waited for her to join chat as well. Well, you dont start out the game knowing you you're allies are unless you're mafia. It's also a grudge vote from me because sky tried to sabotage my Grandmaster game. I think she has personal feelings she's willing to let get in the way of her game to throw me under the bus. Im here to have fun, I honestly dont care about winning or losing. Plus, AFK-ers should be killed anyway.

To review, my 3 reasons are:
1.) Non-communication from civvies is hinderous.
2.) I feel she has personal issues with me and is willing to hinder my game.
3.) It appears she's AFK.

As for reasoning as to why she may be mafia: number 1, she's playing like a mafia member. Can anyone tell me sky has contacted them? Greater then 3 plz, including sky cause 3 is how many mafia members there are. It also has to be before this post.
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157090#msg1157090
« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2014, 03:17:22 am »
Who you're allies are*
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157097#msg1157097
« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2014, 04:37:16 am »
Considering the host hasn't even declared the start of the day phase, I feel like it's a little early to start pointing fingers with the reasoning of "They haven't spoken yet so they're either inactive or mafia". I could have started posting in here as soon as I saw the counter ended and been first post, but I kept my mouth shut because I figured I'd wait for the host to speak up. Hell, for all we know any one of us could have been the mafia lynch target and are thus screwing the game up by talking when we should be dead.  :-X
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157119#msg1157119
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2014, 10:34:08 am »
If that was the case, I blame the host. If a player if following all the rules, then how can the game be screwed up? Either A.) Host didnt post all the rules or forgot to add a rule to fit the current mafia. or B.) is being inactive.

Ill use any time given to me to further Townie's progression. Period.
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157123#msg1157123
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2014, 11:32:35 am »
Eh, I personally wouldn't post until host posts kills and stuff.
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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157130#msg1157130
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2014, 12:16:02 pm »
Please stop posting. Day ain't even out.

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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157209#msg1157209
« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2014, 08:08:12 pm »
Please stop posting. Day ain't even out.

Since I've been getting several messages about this, I might as well state it.


Moderator Comment If the current mafia host does not post the new day cycle soon (12 hours at the time of this post), this mafia will be completely canceled and pushed to the bottom of the list, and the next host will take up their new game.


Sorry about this folks.

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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157274#msg1157274
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2014, 10:51:16 am »
woohoo nobody died
day starts.

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Re: Elements Mafia (N/A) - by ji412jo [POSTPONED] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55737.msg1157275#msg1157275
« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2014, 10:57:23 am »
I'm sorry for having to do this.

Elements Mafia 42 will be restarted. The status of this game has been postponed for a later time.

I apologize once again folks for this unfortunate turn of events.

 

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