In if Submachine chills outI've been chill since the dawn of 2018. 8-) Fist bump?
I'm thinking about joining.
However I know with my limited time availability that I will be playing fairly casually and some people do not appreciate that stance. By that I mean mainly just voting off of intuition and minor communicating in thread, barely skimming most posts with substantial amounts of text, and I won't be searching chat or other locations not in this thread for mafia talk.
I'm thinking about joining.
However I know with my limited time availability that I will be playing fairly casually and some people do not appreciate that stance. By that I mean mainly just voting off of intuition and minor communicating in thread, barely skimming most posts with substantial amounts of text, and I won't be searching chat or other locations not in this thread for mafia talk.
I'm sure a semi-active mathman would still be valuable to the town, but it's up to you to make that decision.
[03:47:10 PM] ‹Mobian› Good afternoon, everyone
[03:48:07 PM] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@Mobian› it's nighttime you ididot
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?
Alright shock, get it out of the way. Is that part of your mindgames?I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?
Early as you can. Basically who ever responds to you first if the best person to cast it on. But you shouldn't tell people your role.
Looks like there are no rules deciding who the GA will be. Knowing shock though, he may just be using misinformation to control the flow of conversation....Either he's part of the Mafia, or he's being an unhelpful Civ. The latter might jeopardize the Civs' chances of winning.
Standard Civ Strategy™ 2.0Tried and tested and might be a bit boring but i mean after not playing mafia now it's fresh again!
Looks like there are no rules deciding who the GA will be. Knowing shock though, he may just be using misinformation to control the flow of conversation....Either he's part of the Mafia, or he's being an unhelpful Civ. The latter might jeopardize the Civs' chances of winning.
I've heard that acting as an unhelpful civ is an effective strategy for important roles to avoid being killed at night.Aye, they avoid being killed at night by being lynched during the day.
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?I can't help but think that you may or may not be the Guardian Angel. :silly: But it could also be one of the following:
I can't help but think that you may or may not be the Guardian Angel. :silly: But it could also be one of the following:Either way, psychologically none of these mean to me that shock is mafia.
- An indirect message to the Guardian Angel, trying to help him without revealing him.
- An attempt of "Hey Town, I may be an important role, so don't kill me".
Alright. Clearly I rubbed some people the wrong way. I'm just going to stop talking and let you guys figure out the strategy. Probably won't hear from me for at least a couple night/day phases assuming I make it that far. I'll just reveal as schrodinger cat right now so no one has to ask or question why I'm not talking. I'm using it tonight so I at least live to see night 1 in my first mafia game.
Peace
About 24 hours remain and about 24 hours have passed. the following people have not made any comment or question on Mafia.Currently participating in a contest, out of town until Tuesday. Activity might be low or null. No viable computer for serious discussion. I am reading every now and then, though.
Kuroaitou
iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf
PlayerOA
Mathman101
Silence can lead to probable cause.
About 24 hours remain and about 24 hours have passed. the following people have not made any comment or question on Mafia.
Kuroaitouiancudorinmarian-Has AlibiNaii_the_Baf-Has Alibi
PlayerOA
Mathman101 -Has stated he will only be semi active
Silence can lead to probable cause.
On another note, why would MW be so eager to have the five of us join posting? Hopefully it's just a good initiative to promote activity, but for all I know he might want to lay suspicion of us based on what I would call a rather weak foundation..
On another note, why would MW be so eager to have the five of us join posting? Hopefully it's just a good initiative to promote activity, but for all I know he might want to lay suspicion of us based on what I would call a rather weak foundation..
btw, not long left of night one, don't forget to use your abilities if they make sense to use.Ah, shoot. I assumed we started with Day and haven't even noticed that it is actually Night. >_> Good call!
Discussion on rules and rulebreaking is outside the context of the game and should not be used to read players.
Your strat assumes mafia dont have secondary roles. It confirms nothing except secondary roles. It also wastes a 1/9 chance angel happens to save a civ tonight, because i can guarentee mafia wont target you.
d2d- Has quite the opinion on which questions should and should not be asked. Is he hiding something?
Obviously there are complications to this plan so we shouldn't strive for it unless it drops into our palms, but we get some fun things to occur if Phoenix dies early.
Golden Nymph can tell them who to vote for, and people can, for the most part, vote for that person if they consistently put the vote on the same person.
It gets even better if Vulture targets Phoenix, then also dies, then you get two "confirmed towns"
The cost of this is 4 dead towns over 2 days 2 nights which is why we shouldn't strive to get this, also the lack of Vulture -> Golden Nymph if Nymph dies. It's an extremely nice novelty to get though
Phoenix - Passive
Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text. You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.
Root -Phoenix - Passive
Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text. You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.
Not a good idea, especially when a dead phoenix won't count towards our end-game total.
I would love it if it were that simple, but if I'm understanding that phrase in the text correctly, the phoenix can't tell us who to vote for with their vote.
The way that this is being phrased leads me to believe that Link didn't intend to allow a lynhc based entirely on the Phoenix's tells, but we should wait and see what Link has to say. It is kind of obscure writing.I would love it if it were that simple, but if I'm understanding that phrase in the text correctly, the phoenix can't tell us who to vote for with their vote.
my reading is that they can't give further information, or switch votes to form a sentence with first letters.. how can they vote but not communicate with a vote? the vote is saying "I think this person is mafia" we can message them, ergo they can pool the information they receive and put a simple vote, no other text, just "this is who I think is mafia" like anyone else voting.
Votes are posts, with a format like this:
Coffeeditto (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Coffeeditto
The person on the left is the person being voted on (going to be lynched), the number is how many players are voting on them, and the names on the right are who is voting on that person.
Votes are posts, with a format like this:
Coffeeditto (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Coffeeditto
The person on the left is the person being voted on (going to be lynched), the number is how many players are voting on them, and the names on the right are who is voting on that person.
no it wouldn't because you need to see who voted for who for the following day. You can learn a lot by who voted for who, and when in teh chain. If a mafia gets lunched unanimously, the ones who moved their vote half way through, or voted towards the end MIGHT be more suspect. Later rounds you need to read back a lot to analyse voting patterns
So everyone voting has to carry on the former post, and add to it? Wouldn't a base poll be easier?
Okay, rad. So all that needs to happen, as previously stated by root, is for phoenix to claim and be lynched D1. Let's hope Phoenix got placed in the game :)
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks
Root has pharaoh. He plans on getting his very own cop kill. Turning himself into ash does nothing strategic.
Shock is mafia.[14:26:08] ‹MasterWalks› alright guys, shock is mafia.
[14:27:35] ‹MasterWalks› in his first post he claims he has GA (kinda). This would mean the town wouldnt want to lynch him. But that would make him a target for NK, but he cant get targeted by NK cuz he is already mafia
[14:28:50] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› How do you know he is not a grabboid or an ant lion though?
[14:29:08] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:29:18] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Both of those are untargetable during night also. For both abilities and NK.
[14:30:14] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› He doesnt claim angel there. He just questions about its claiming for strategic purposes.
[14:30:56] ‹MasterWalks› no, but he implies it
[14:31:31] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› No he doesnt. He is asking for strategic purposes for whoever else is the angel.
[14:32:00] ‹MasterWalks› impling he has GA would make him a def target for NK. If he had grabby, he saved the town by getting NK targeted to him, but i dont think he was able to come up with that strategy in his first mafia game
[14:32:11] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› All of us know shock to ask the oddball questions up front, he has actually done angel a favour and saved them not having to ask it themselves.
[14:32:40] ‹MasterWalks› well, no one gave him a straight answer
[14:33:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Why would we this early though? No one can trust anyone else yet as we are all still figuring out who is mafia with the little to no info we have.
[14:33:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@MasterWalks› He did reveal he was SC.
[14:34:37] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe that one bit.
[14:34:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Where does he claim S.cat.?
[14:34:55] ‹MasterWalks› he is just diverting attention
[14:35:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait wrong one
[14:35:33] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:44] ‹MasterWalks› that link shows he claims SC
[14:37:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Hmm, I feel like most people saying that would be just trying to divert attention.
[14:38:05] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[14:38:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› But for some reason I think shock has that creative mindset that would allow him to actually do that though.
[14:38:57] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› It is a risky plan, and most likely a waste since it is only a OU skill
[14:39:16] ‹MasterWalks› well its working. no one has mentioned shock since that post and we already have 8 votes on root.
Sent role
Sent role
Any role is information for RootHow come? It's unlikely that mafia would even want to lie about their secondary role, since there aren't separate role for mafia/civvy.
Especially for stuff like Psion and the like
Any role is information for RootHow come? It's unlikely that mafia would even want to lie about their secondary role, since there aren't separate role for mafia/civvy.
Especially for stuff like Psion and the like
Sent role
My biggest worry right now is the fate of those who don't send in their roles. As of now, 11 out of 14 people claimed to have sent in their roles. But what about the other 3? If Root decides to vote them out based solely on their lack of cooperation, we might be ordered to hang some Town members. But if we let people get away with not sending their roles, then this plan does feel somewhat wasted.I'd argue that the 3 people that did not send their role are actually town. Mafia has no reason to attract suspicion by not sending the role. Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.
At minimum, I feel like we should pressure those on the inactive end of the chain. At best, we should keep Root updated with our findings and suspicions.
On a side note, while there are 3 mafia and 3 people who haven't sent in their roles, I believe this is merely a coincidence. However, it is not out of the question that at least one of them is a hiding mafioso.
Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.This scenario would be suspicious though. I'm not the Ash, but this would warrant a vote from me if I noticed something like this.
However, I would also argue that it makes sense for the mafia to don't cooperate. We should not rule out the possibility that at least one of the non-senders is mafia, because an inactive mafioso is the hardest to find.No, it makes 0 sense for them to not cooperate and attract suspicion. As mafia, you have no reason not to send a role (even if it's your real role or not).
Though even if a mafioso did send in a fake role, there's a decent chance someone else sent in the same role. At the same time, it's also harder for Root to tell who has the real role...There can be duplicate roles according to Linkcat. Two people with the same role does not mean one of them is mafia.
@Mafia Don't waste your time killing me tonight. I lied about using my schrodinger's cat ability night 0. I'm using it tonight. As an alternative I suggest you check out ian's lame face. I heard it's quite lame. You should check for yourself.
@ian You're going to regret turning down my offer. You think you can avoid me but I will battle you. I know you're afraid of me, but you will have to face me eventually. You can't hide forever. Give in before you waste all your precious energy that you'll need for our fight. I'll even ban dials to sweeten the deal.
Schrödinger’s Cat - OU
Dead and Alive - If you are killed during this Night or the next Day, you survive and your secondary role is revealed.
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
DC voted on him, so I have reason to believe he knew something.
[2019-04-20 12:41:04] Mobian: Why are you holding firm on me, DC?
[2019-04-20 12:45:44] DoubleCapitals: Day 1 lynch is so boring~
[2019-04-20 12:45:58] DoubleCapitals: I don't expect anyone to wagon you so, whatever
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - shockcannon
You two are voting me because you don't like my play style and you're frustrated by my personality. Deep down you both know the truth though. I highly recommend you switch your vote to the real mafia though instead of acting so scared of my volatility.
Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.
Surely lynching the noisy shock can wait one day in favour of getting new info by lynching Mobian, right? I'm pretty sure DC's chat reasoning was just him trying to conceal he's Golden Nymph, hoping we would get back to lynching Mobian at some point.
Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.
Fear of what? I'm making a valid assumption here, it's not like I rolled a die to lynch you.Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.
I forgive you for allowing fear to cloud your judgement.
If we're basing this vote 100% off DC being Golden Nymph, then I disagree on bandwagoning onto him this early. If he is mafia, Root will for sure vote for him. As such, if Root doesn't vote for him, DC probably didn't tell Root he's mafia.Fair, Root can help.
If we're voting for him on the basis of "DC was town then DC died so we're killing the person who DC voted for" then that's probably decent enough of a reason, considering the lack of information we have, but this kind of thinking won't fit for later days.
Still abstaining vote to protect the identity of Graboid for now
I guess you guys really think mafia is stupid enough to spread lies to as many people as possible and so aggressively look for information on town? "No, but it's shockcannon!" Great reasoning. Whatever, not a big deal to me. I do have the requirement to help my team win, and whether or not you agree with this, I do share the opinion that any public information always helps town more than it helps mafia. As a result, I'm going to start sharing some info over the course of this day. I considered just sharing with someone I know is town but I've decided that just leaves people in the dark and causes unnecessary PMs and suspicion to occur.
Also, if any information I share is incorrect, that means that I've been lied to which would actually make you guys hypocrites.
shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.
I wanted to see what would happen if I PMed several different people my role, but gave each one of them a different answer and then implied a trust where we wouldn't share with others. Thanks for showing me who's really working together.
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian
My defense is that you should lynch me.
Well, if mobian has accepted shock's claim of his role, if mobian doesn't die very soon to nightkill he is almost certainly mafia.
Seriously think we should be lynching moe
Well, if mobian has accepted shock's claim of his role, if mobian doesn't die very soon to nightkill he is almost certainly mafia.
Seriously think we should be lynching moe
My defense is that you should lynch me. But when you see I'm town, my info will gain credibility and mafia will have fewer places to hide because information is already out there.The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us. There's no reason for that except trying to find alliances or reactions like you said, but you can't be the mastermind of the entire game. I think you're doing a wonderful job coming up with excuses but with your lies, you lost my trust. I am only supporting Mobian not being lynched right now because you are the alternative, other than myself. We'll see what happens when you flip and where the trust lies thereafter.
The question is coffeeditto, what's your defense? Because I personally asked your opinion on InsignificantWeeaboo being mafia and you ignored that question multiple times and the one time you did answer you said he seemed like a quiet townie that we don't need to worry about. Seems like one mafia defending another mafia and trying to deflect attention. Additionally, believe it or not, I had not shared a single person's role that I had learned with anyone. The only thing I actually shared up until now was my own role with you and a fake role with MasterWalks. Yet somehow he finds out that I'm otyugh and that I lied to him. I talked to you night 0 and you were instantly willing to share your role with me and make a secret pact. Yet you freely gave out my role to master (or mobian who might be your mafia ally who then told master). I've talked to a lot of people and you're the only one so far who has actually openly shared info with me. Everyone else rightfully rejected my offer to exchange info because they're naturally suspicious. Yet you're all fine trusting me with your abilities and even sharing my ability with others. Then I go and vote up Insig and mobian and you instantly swap ships, voting me up also. We even agreed to keep this alliance secret and you were on board with me going with my crazy strategies to get information knowing that I was going to trust you no matter what. It appears you've slipped up though. Go ahead and give your excuses to save face. But when I die, let it be known to town that coffeeditto is mafia. I suspect Insig and mobian are also mafia but I know for a fact coffeeditto is mafia. You're lucky I thought I would survive another day. I was planning to eat you last night.
shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Coffeeditto - mind flayer (Naii night 0, Insig night 1)
InsignificantWeeaboo- fate egg
The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us.
I don't like arguing for the sake of arguing, but I want to set the record straight.The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us.
Literally didn't lie to you. I'm otyugh like I told you at the end of our first conversation night 0. I EVEN TOLD YOU I was going to pretend like I had other roles to people. It's really too bad I'm not allowed to post all the PMs with you that I saved because you would be looking extremely suspect right now. I also knew you were mafia after you started ignoring questions about InsignificantWeeaboo. There's no reason to deflect attention on a player unless you're both mafia.
I know Root's voting for me now, but when I'm lynched and revealed as town 2 things will happen:
1.) You will realize how terrible of a plan it was to lynch Root
2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
FWIW, I actually quite enjoyed some of the way shock was playing, and i didn't get a mafia vibe from him. But it's well established that all lyers must die so nevermind, onwards and upwards.Qft.
a) not to associate annoyances you have with a way a player is playing with the person (except in cases whereIf you insist on bringing up something that happened six years ago and only once, then maybe you are not the best person to tell us to not keep annoyances. :silly: It's not an exception, get over this too.
If I understand the situation correctly, shock is voted on, because he claimed different roles to various people, but then those people figured out that he was lying to everyone about his role. I missed the part how those people figured this out or if he lied about anything else. I would appreciate if someone cleared this up for me.
I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:
On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:
1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.
I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.
This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.
I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:
On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:
1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.
I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.
This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.
to add to this, why would coffee tell mobian what i told shock? mobian and coffee have never spoke before, not even outside the mafia game. The only conclusion i can come to is coffee is trying to stir the pot without realizing mobian would share it with me. I am going to give shock one lost ounce of trust and trust coffee may be mafia.Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.
Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.
sameYes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.
Trust
@Mobian: what's the point of telling people that you had different targets than you actually did?
Why did you not say that until now?
I will confirm GA. Shock is bluffing about my targets, however.damn, paint me wrong
Oh, and Mobian, protect yourself this night, as I'm pretty sure if you are towny as you say, you'll most likely get killed tonight.
@Firefly, target InsignificantWeaboo, Coffeeditto and MasterWalks.
@Firefly, target InsignificantWeaboo, Coffeeditto and MasterWalks.
I hope we actually DO have a firefly, and it wasn't just a fate egg random....
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.
It wouldn't. Read the ability, it doesn't always work, it has some conditions.@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.
That intel would have been made public like it was in D1. It's possible the Firefly may be MIA....
Very interesting, either we need to go back and work out who MW pissed off, or maf are really scared of angel so are targettin people they know arent gonna be protected.
on mobile, what is the current count of town vs mafia?7 town, 3 mafia
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.I may have missed something. Is ian confirmed Town?
either insig or weaboo.I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Right xDeither insig or weaboo.I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I'm actually two kids on top of each other wearing a large trench coat and a hatRight xDeither insig or weaboo.I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Sure, I'll bite.So without revealing evidence that can hinder people's games (aka role claiming), what evidence can you put forward, and what suspicions do you have, that can help town
Coffeeditto (8) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto
This is optimal win condition anyway; we can afford to mislynch me and gain more info tomorrow night. I'm not very useful as a town flayer anyway unless the mafia has a killing secondary ability or something of the likes. If this is what it takes, let's go for it.
Sure, I'll bite.
Coffeeditto (8) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto
This is optimal win condition anyway; we can afford to mislynch me and gain more info tomorrow night. I'm not very useful as a town flayer anyway unless the mafia has a killing secondary ability or something of the likes. If this is what it takes, let's go for it.
You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
Guess we know our next target...
There goes our second chance.Speaking of which, I rolled Iridium Warden this time. Won't say who I targeted and what role they have yet.
I'm willing to bet mafia has an information source, probably a role.
I may have something to say in that regard after the nightNo Firefly either, hmm.
Secondary RolesThis fits into my theory, that's why I'm going with it.
[...] If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night.
Uh, no. It would be incredibly stupid of me to do something like that if I were mafia.
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa
Firefly prevented twice now. Something's very wrong about this.
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa
Firefly prevented twice now. Something's very wrong about this.
Do we even know who the FF is? For all I know, we could have a second Fate Egg in play, and the FF ability we say trigger earlier was a result of that.
Shock was right about coffee, so might as well go with our only lead. (Unless Root has any better ideas, assuming he got info from dawn)
I suspect Insig and mobian are also mafia but I know for a fact coffeeditto is mafia.
tldr: Damn it sucks to have lost the Psion.
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101, Mobian
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa
No point going against the pack at this point.
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101, Mobian
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa
No point going against the pack at this point.
Who would you vote for if you did want to go against the pack?
I was so sure he was graboid.
With mathman's info, we have to ask ourselves why hasn't any of PlayerOa's ability uses been made public since the first Day phase? What is capable of blocking that ability?Adding to that point, without the ability officially triggering, we have no role information on the three he targeted.
So let's solve the first problem. Who has a role that could have blocked Firefly and is still alive?
N0 - RootRanger
He was a Phoenix, but this information quickly fell flat, because he revealed himself right after.
Public information.
N1 - DoubleCapitals
He was a Golden Nymph, but he also died during that night.
Public information.
N2 - iancu
He was a Pharaoh. I could not do much with this information.
Of course you know if you both are mafia.
N3 - PlayerOa
But my ability failed. This is where math's testimony lines up with one of my actions. I thought that Insig was blocking me, but now I think he was blocking Oa instead.
My theory that day was that Insig blocked me and he also lied about not turning into a Firefly. Shock's last words also strengthened my belief.
Ok so this is the interesting one. We know by what mathman said that you targeted me. We also know for sure my ability failed that night. But no new information whatsoever has been revealed by your role, making a pretty easy Psion claim.
N4 - mathman
I can confirm he is Dragonfly.
He pretty much just confirmed himself.
@ian: I just wanted to know if you were confirmed, because then we could have one more person to share plans with. At this point, it is enough if the Firefly trusts you.
@PlayerOa, read the second paragraph of my analysis post. Also check the links.I did, and it does make sense. Information is key at the moment, and I want to highlight several different scenarios for everyone but especially for Root to see. I just wanted to shed another light on the current situation where I can use actual confirmed information rather than qualified guesses. Coffee was next in line anyway, and the Insig post could mean something completely different, although your interpretation could by all means be right.
Yeah, I can confirm I'm pharaoh.Target history?
So I know about myself that I am Town, so my choice is either iancu or math. Math coming out with this felt like he was on the side of the Firefly, but I took that with a grain of salt because I found math a bit shadier than ian beforehand. Then I realized that math did not form this plan, he just found out at the right time that he was targeted. Eventually all this information would have seen light, and admittedly, coming out with it first did feel like a Town-lean at first, while throwing shade on ian. He probably realized this, otherwise he could have just waited for Oa to say the same. Mafia using the counter-defense on the last day is something I have spotted in Mafia 50 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-50-by-kuroaitou/msg1201259/#msg1201259) before, and I was right about it that time.I've read a few more pages from the link in my reasoning and I found more parallels between the current case and the precedent. My past self's conlusion convinced me to take a side in the matter;
This does not reveal to me whether math is Mafia, but it made me cautious about instantly trusting math. Before voting, I would like to hear ian's side of the story too.
I should ask whether there is something people want out of me so I can answer it later.You should start reading here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288693/#msg1288693
Wait, did someone delete a post?
My previous previous post used to be the first post on this page, but now my previous post is.
I want to point out how quickly Sub and iancu both jumped on me so early in the day. Would it not have been more beneficial to push pressure on someone and then wait for more info before piling on the votes?I thought we have all the information we can get today, except what Naiibaf can add. (More about that below.) Your post was long and detailed already, without a mention of more to come.
(Sorry on mobile at work, will try to give a more detailed post with links and evidence tonight when I get home from work)
Also I question why Sub told Naii not to reveal the info he had. We are in a do or die situation, and not revealing info only helps mafia right now. By hiding info they have a greater chance to sway the votes with mis-information.This is either a misunderstanding or an attempt to paint me shadier. I did tell Naiibaf to tell everything that relates to this situation. But if he was, for example, a second Phoenix, then he could soak a hit from Mafia. If both Town and Mafia knew that, it would only help Mafia. This is why I think he should not come ahead with unrelated information today.
Sub u also want to question your scum read on me solely on inactivity. Does previously stating low activy during sign up before I know my role still prove to be scummy? I have given as much time as I have available to this game, my apologies I cannot give more without sacrificing availability in other forum areas.That's fair enough, but my choices were limited to one of you, and your quick-to-come-out post was a red flag for me, as I explained in more detail earlier.
I want to add my vote to Submachine and follow along with Oa's judgement here.While I'm not happy about that, I'll do it for you.
mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (2) - PlayerOa, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf
Day 5Day 4 has ended.
Mobian will die, and if he is revealed as GA, we will know Naii is a fake GA or a scum GA (There's no way there are two town GA in the game and two town Psion)
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.
The 50/50 isn't an option anymore, it seems. Will you keep your vote on Sub, or will you vote no lynch, and piece this all out with an extra round's worth of intel?
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.
The 50/50 isn't an option anymore, it seems. Will you keep your vote on Sub, or will you vote no lynch, and piece this all out with an extra round's worth of intel?
What he means by 50/50 is that if he knows he's town, at least one of math or Sub must be mafia.
Once again, I'll state I believe it is Mobian.
And by the way, do you really think I'd vote on Sub and get him killed instead of going for the no-lynch if I was mafia?Nope. Not at all. Can't completely rule out the possibility of you trying to exculpate yourself through that vote, though.
I want to ask Oa, if you were able to use your ability tonight who would you be targeting to try and get the most info based on our small pool size? Also if you were dragonfly with the currently know info, who would you be targeting tonight? (I probably won't be following this unless it lines up with a player I am already partially planning on targeting). Again I'm just looking to see the thought process from another information type of role.1) That's a hypothetical question which won't lead us anywhere, but I think I'd target you + 2/3 of Naii, iancu and Mobian. If I then were to hit a FG, one of Naii/iancu/Mobian would be confirmed town which would be a massive boost.
Mobian should protect PlayerOa.Just so none of you forgets
Naii should protect mathman.
If Mobian dies, Naii is most likely mafia and vice-versa.
If I die, then it will be revealed that Mobian is mafia or nothing will be revealed, meaning he is confirmed.
And just so you all know, there's still a slight chance that math is mafia. Of course, the same could be said about me from an objective point of view.
So does that mean I was the NK target?
Considering that Mobian's target wasn't the one ian suggested, that is.
That has to be the scumiest way to try to make it seem like you're civvy, Mobian. Using the NK on Naii and then protecting him.
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarianAlso, I'd say this vote at the end of last day pretty much confirms that either Naii or Mobian are mafia. You would never vote on your teammate mafia, especially when there is a very safe alternative of just following someone else's plan.
No Lynch (3) - Submachine, Naii_the_Baf, Mobian
Very well, I'll vote No Lynch as well.
What would you guys say to a no lynch today? Another night of intel gathering might be what's needed.
Not saying this is what I suggest, because I'm honestly feeling quite lost atm, but I'd like your opinions on the cause.
Now who wants to host Mafia 71 so that I can play?I'm willing to help out with this, just someone should create rules first.
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The shock lynch was terrible. He was a super obvious town. No mafia would ever play like shock did in this game.
Oh right shock. Very obviously town (I know based on his play he got a shit town role) but the best mafia member.
See, Oa? I had nothing to do with that :P
Also, in hindsight, it probably was a mistake to lynch Root D1. Didn't really help much in the end.The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
(If I told you that I didn't realize that I should have been giving you info, would you believe me?)The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
Yeah lol. The simplest explanation was that you had just been mafia, but alas.(If I told you that I didn't realize that I should have been giving you info, would you believe me?)The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
Also, in hindsight, it probably was a mistake to lynch Root D1. Didn't really help much in the end.The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
Actually, the host breaks ties, so Submachine wins best player. :)
Congrats Sub. You win nothing, for now...