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Title: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2019, 09:53:37 pm
Elements Mafia

Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icedoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, fabian771, and Linkcat.

All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the mafia (False Gods), and a majority faction, the innocents (Elementals). The False Gods start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. The Elementals start the game not knowing who is a False God and who is a fellow Elemental, and their goal is to kill all of the False Gods.

The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.

How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.

Village - Town
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you.
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadposting - Shitposting
EBWOP/Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one.
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one

General Mafia Rules

1.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2.   You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3.   Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4.   You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5.   You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6.   All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7.   The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8.   Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9.   Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the blab chat.

Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2019, 09:53:56 pm
Elements Mafia Classic
Based on Mafia 34 by Elbirn. Heavily modified by Linkcat, Coffeeditto, and killsdazombies.

Game Rules

1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. Phases will be a minimum of 48 hours. You may post during the Night.
2. Only the last PM sent from the Mafia stating the Nightkill will be counted. The Nightkill is factional and cannot be tracked or roleblocked, but still counts as an ability that targets.
3. If the lynch is tied, No Lynch will occur.
4. You are allowed to vote for No Lynch.
5. Declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.
6. Town wins if all the Mafia are dead. Mafia wins if they achieve parity at the beginning of a Day. Ash is not counted for parity.
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 5 minutes have passed since the last vote. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling.
8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
9. Players may communicate anywhere outside of the thread. If there is discussion in the chat, it is customary to post chatlogs in the thread.
10. I reserve the right to make any changes to the roles or rules in order to maintain the integrity and balance of the game.

Primary Roles

False Gods

The False Gods start the game as a team. Their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. Each Night, they perform a Nightkill on an Elemental of their choosing.

Elementals

The Elementals are the townsfolk of the game. Their goal is to kill all of the False Gods through lynching and the use of abilities.

Golden Nymph - EoR
Precognition - Target a player. Reveal their Primary role to you. You cannot be protected from the Nightkill. One Elemental always starts with this secondary role.

Secondary Roles

All Secondary abilities are activated by PMing your action to the host during the Night Phase. You may not target yourself with any ability. If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night. If an OU ability fails, you may use it again.

Key:
ER - Every Round.
EoR - Every Other Round.
OU - One Use.
Passive - Triggers Automatically.

Information Roles

Firefly - EoR
Bioluminescence - Target 3 players. A random Primary Role from those players -- but not the players themselves -- will be publicly revealed from those players if at least two of them survive the Night and the ability resolves on all living targets.

Psion - ER
Psionic Link - Target a player. Any secondary abilities they have are revealed to you.

Dragonfly - ER
Fly on the Wall - Target a player. You see who they target and who targets them this Night.

Pharoah - ER
Pharoah's Curse - Target a player. If you die in the Night and they are a False God, their roles are publicly revealed. If you are lynched, they die as well. Only affects one player at a time.

Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they are unaffected by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them.


Offensive Roles

Toadfish - OU
Inflate - Target player dies two Night Phases from now. The target is notified at the beginning of the second Night Phase.

Otyugh - OU
Devour - Target player dies and your role is revealed. If you eat a Toadfish, you die during the next Night unless protected.

Mind Flayer - ER
Psionic Wave - Target a player. They cannot use their ability this Night.

Pharoah - ER
Pharoah's Curse - Target a player. If you die in the Night and they are a False God, their roles are publicly revealed. If you are lynched, they die as well. Only affects one player at a time.

Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they are unaffected by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them.


Defensive Roles

Guardian Angel - ER
Heal - Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and any further Offensive Roles. This ability fails if the target was protected by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night.

Schrödinger’s Cat - OU
Dead and Alive - If you are killed during this Night or the next Day, you survive and your secondary role is revealed.

Graboid - OU
Evolve - You cannot be targeted or vote until you Evolve. You do not count for parity if you are burrowed.

Antlion - EoR
Burrow - Evade all targeting this Night.

Phoenix - Passive
Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text.  You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.

Iridium Warden - ER
Guard - Target a player. Their ability fails, they are unaffected by other players' secondary abilities, and you learn the names of any abilities used on them.

Role Roles

These roles do not disappear when you use them. You will be revealed as having both roles when you die.

Crusader - OU
Endow - Target a player. You gain their secondary ability. Passive abilities trigger immediately. Can be used again if the ability fails.

Vulture - OU
Scavenger - Gain target dead player's secondary role.

"Fun" Roles

Fate Egg - Passive
Hatch - You receive a random secondary role, and you are disguised as that role if investigated or revealed. You receive your first role at the start of the game, and it changes into a different role at the start of every Day Phase.

Role Priority

Fate Egg
Antlion
Graboid
Mind Flayer
Iridium Warden
Guardian Angel/Crusader/Vulture/Schrödinger’s Cat/Pharoah
Nightkill
Toadfish
Otyugh
Golden Nymph/Firefly/Dragonfly/Psion
Ash

Signup List

1. JonathanCrazyJ
2. InsignificantWeeaboo
3. shockcannon
4. dawn to dusk
5. Coffeeditto
6. Kuroaitou
7. DoubleCapitals
8. iancudorinmarian
9. Submachine
10. MasterWalks
11. Naii_the_Baf
12. Mobian
13. PlayerOa
14. mathman101
15. RootRanger

1. JonathanCrazyJ Antlion, Nightkilled Night 4
2. InsignificantWeeaboo Fate Egg, Vulture, Lynched Day 4
3. shockcannon Otyugh, Lynched Day 2
4. dawn to dusk Vulture, Golden Nymph, Nightkilled Night 3
5. Coffeeditto False God, Mind Flayer, Lynched Day 3
6. Kuroaitou Psion, Modkilled Night 1
7. DoubleCapitals Golden Nymph, Nightkilled Night 1
8. iancudorinmarian
9. Submachine False God, Psion, Lynched Day 5
10. MasterWalks Iridum Warden, Nightkilled Night 2
11. Naii_the_Baf
12. Mobian
13. PlayerOa
14. mathman101
15. RootRanger Phoenix, Lynched Day 1

Signups have ended.

Phase Links
Night 0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1287975/#msg1287975)
Day 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288082/#msg1288082)
Night 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288144/#msg1288144)
Day 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288207/#msg1288207)
Night 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288329/#msg1288329)
Day 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288400/#msg1288400)
Night 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288475/#msg1288475)
Day 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288535/#msg1288535)
Night 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288593/#msg1288593)
Day 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288686/#msg1288686)
Night 5 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288772/#msg1288772)
Day 6 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288902/#msg1288902)

This is a simple ruleset with nothing funky going on, just some good old Elements mafia. If you haven't played mafia before, don't be afraid to sign up, it's a lot of fun. The most important thing is to be active. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you're talking about the game at least some of the time. The game will not start unless at least 10 players sign up. If you would not like to play but would be willing to host, and have hosted a mafia before, please contact me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 10, 2019, 09:56:33 pm
In if Submachine chills out
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 10, 2019, 10:00:59 pm
In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 10, 2019, 10:02:24 pm
I've already won, but I suppose we'll go through the motions anyways.


Edit: Why is graboid OP in this also?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: rob77dp on April 10, 2019, 10:12:57 pm
... considering it.

Game Rules #8 has me leery.

My considering joining probably has some others leery.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 10, 2019, 10:53:28 pm
[08:53:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I will be playing mafia
[08:53:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› O shit gotta post this in the thread because I'm talking about mafia in chat
[08:53:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› :^)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 11, 2019, 12:51:33 am
I'd love to play.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 11, 2019, 03:25:20 am
I'm thinking about joining.

However I know with my limited time availability that I will be playing fairly casually and some people do not appreciate that stance. By that I mean mainly just voting off of intuition and minor communicating in thread, barely skimming most posts with substantial amounts of text, and I won't be searching chat or other locations not in this thread for mafia talk.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Kuroaitou on April 11, 2019, 03:46:36 am
I'm in, but disclaimer: I may be very inactive during discussion on some days due to my intense schedule of working multiple jobs for this month.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 11, 2019, 05:04:21 am
We don't have to play like mafiascum peeps. Maybe elsewhere but we burned a lotta people out.

Including me. Also college is still my #1 bitch so

qwerter (1) - DoubleCapitals
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 11, 2019, 05:13:51 am
IN!!!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 11, 2019, 05:57:30 am
In if Submachine chills out
I've been chill since the dawn of 2018. 8-) Fist bump?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 11, 2019, 06:25:30 am
I'm thinking about joining.

However I know with my limited time availability that I will be playing fairly casually and some people do not appreciate that stance. By that I mean mainly just voting off of intuition and minor communicating in thread, barely skimming most posts with substantial amounts of text, and I won't be searching chat or other locations not in this thread for mafia talk.

I'm sure a semi-active mathman would still be valuable to the town, but it's up to you to make that decision.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 11, 2019, 11:13:56 pm
In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on April 11, 2019, 11:54:16 pm
In, why not. Let's see if I can do more this time around.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 12, 2019, 04:10:47 am
Yeah, ok, I guess this could be fun. I'm in.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 12, 2019, 04:55:41 am
"[12:50:52] ‹Linkcat› ‹@DoubleCapitals› Does your post count as a signup?"

Yes
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 13, 2019, 10:16:34 am
Let's give this a shot
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 14, 2019, 12:39:52 am
I'm thinking about joining.

However I know with my limited time availability that I will be playing fairly casually and some people do not appreciate that stance. By that I mean mainly just voting off of intuition and minor communicating in thread, barely skimming most posts with substantial amounts of text, and I won't be searching chat or other locations not in this thread for mafia talk.

I'm sure a semi-active mathman would still be valuable to the town, but it's up to you to make that decision.

Ok, I'm in. semi-active math is here to partially play mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: ddevans96 on April 16, 2019, 07:13:46 am
No longer participating, sorry. Have fun
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 17, 2019, 03:39:23 am
I used to wonder why it was so standard to have sign-ups last an entire week when I checked the forum every day. But now that I only check the forum every week, it all makes sense!  :silly:

In
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 17, 2019, 10:29:28 pm
Night 0

Steve walks warily down the street, with the brim pulled way down low.

There are 3 False Gods and 12 Elementals.

The False Gods received a group PM. If you received a PM addressed only to you, you are an Elemental.

There may or may not be duplicate secondary roles.

Many roles have been modified during the signup phase. Please look them over again. If you are a new player, make sure you understand the General Mafia Rules and Game Rules before posting. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

The host must be given access to any pads, discords, etc. created for the purpose of communicating about this game. The host also appreciates being privy to other behind the scenes shenanigans, but this is not required.

Please send in your actions, and remember that this is a game and we're all here to have a good time.

Let the bloodshed begin.

Night 0 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 17, 2019, 10:50:03 pm
[03:47:10 PM] ‹Mobian› Good afternoon, everyone
[03:48:07 PM] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@Mobian› it's nighttime you ididot
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 17, 2019, 10:53:47 pm
[03:47:10 PM] ‹Mobian› Good afternoon, everyone
[03:48:07 PM] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@Mobian› it's nighttime you ididot

Last time I checked, good sir, night falls after noon.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 17, 2019, 11:55:26 pm
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 18, 2019, 12:11:02 am
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?

Early as you can. Basically who ever responds to you first if the best person to cast it on. But you shouldn't tell people your role.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 18, 2019, 12:50:47 am
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?

Early as you can. Basically who ever responds to you first if the best person to cast it on. But you shouldn't tell people your role.
Alright shock, get it out of the way. Is that part of your mindgames?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 18, 2019, 01:49:05 am
Ah yes. Good old plain ol follow the cop? Cop ain't covered by doc here, too bad. Ha.



Anyways I'm lynching anyone who claims survivor on principle, that is all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 18, 2019, 02:03:20 am
EBWOP oh wait GA isn't cop, why did I think it was? Man I'm rusty.

Can GA be mafia? Yes right?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 18, 2019, 02:18:47 am
My thoughts -

GA should not reveal.

I assume PMs are allowed for civilians?

The game can be most realistically won when the Golden Nymph forms a coalition of confirmed civilians of >50% of the remaining players. This is the key role. If Golden Nymph finds a mafia, he should let a confirmed civ know through PM in order to keep his identity safe.

Vulture should be used only once the Golden Nymph dies. The other roles are not nearly as important.

Crusader should ideally be used on the Golden Nymph but this can be hard to coordinate. Still, it should only really be used once there is information about a valuable role - most of the roles are of limited use, and using it on a random role is of limited value.

The offensive roles are really mainly a weapon for the mafia. Civs should be averse to using these.

:fire
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 18, 2019, 02:20:58 am
I think GA can be mafia, the only role that's faction-locked is Golden Nymph.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 18, 2019, 02:34:55 am
Looks like there are no rules deciding who the GA will be. Knowing shock though, he may just be using misinformation to control the flow of conversation....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 18, 2019, 02:37:55 am
Looks like there are no rules deciding who the GA will be. Knowing shock though, he may just be using misinformation to control the flow of conversation....
Either he's part of the Mafia, or he's being an unhelpful Civ. The latter might jeopardize the Civs' chances of winning.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 18, 2019, 02:40:18 am
Standard Civ Strategy™ 2.0
Tried and tested and might be a bit boring but i mean after not playing mafia now it's fresh again!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 18, 2019, 02:48:45 am
Looks like there are no rules deciding who the GA will be. Knowing shock though, he may just be using misinformation to control the flow of conversation....
Either he's part of the Mafia, or he's being an unhelpful Civ. The latter might jeopardize the Civs' chances of winning.

That's the thing about shock. Could be either. He could simply be trying to help in his own strange way, too. I wonder what he's really thinking.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 18, 2019, 03:37:57 am
I've heard that acting as an unhelpful civ is an effective strategy for important roles to avoid being killed at night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 18, 2019, 04:00:19 am
I've heard that acting as an unhelpful civ is an effective strategy for important roles to avoid being killed at night.
Aye, they avoid being killed at night by being lynched during the day.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 18, 2019, 05:31:24 am
[20:35:57] ‹shockcannon› i ask one question and people already want to lynch me
[20:36:13] ‹Linkcat› Welcome to mafia.
[20:36:58] ‹Mobian› Did you really expect anything else? You're well known for having a chaotic nature, after all.
[20:38:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat from shockcannon in Forum Games. Can you find Wally?
[20:38:06] ‹shockcannon› lets spice up this game
[20:38:07] ‹shockcannon› why not
[20:39:16] ‹shockcannon› also my question got rootranger to share his plan for how the town should strategize
[20:39:27] ‹shockcannon› so I've only caused good discussion for the town so far
[20:40:09] ‹shockcannon› and now the real GA, whether that's me or not knows how other people think he/she should play
[20:40:23] ‹shockcannon› allowing for a more informed decision making
[20:40:25] ‹Mobian› From my research, his seems to be a fairly standard strategy though.
[20:40:42] ‹shockcannon› I'm all about standard
[20:40:48] ‹shockcannon› creativity is an unnecessary risk

[20:40:53] ‹Vineroz› I think Mafia is a pretty dumb game.
[20:41:06] ‹Mobian› Why's that?
[20:41:59] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› You gonna stick around this time?
[20:42:11] ‹Vineroz› nobody will know who you are if you don't talk
[20:42:11] ‹MasterWalks› For wut
[20:43:25] ‹Vineroz› but if you talk, you get killed
[20:44:17] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› iono
[20:44:22] ‹shockcannon› i join mafia because it's another opportunity to win
[20:44:32] ‹shockcannon› I talk because I know talking increases your chances of dying
[20:44:37] ‹shockcannon› which will make my win even more impressive
[20:44:42] ‹Mobian› I like the mindgames
[20:44:59] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Vineroz› choosing the path of least resistance only lessens your accomplishments
[20:45:17] ‹Linkcat› People who don't talk will either get lynched early or get shot by a town killing role, so it's always a bad idea.
[20:45:33] ‹Linkcat› The only exception is when nobody talks, which gives mafia a free win and has happened before.
[20:45:51] ‹Mobian› ‹@shockcannon› Maybe, but be careful to not rub people the wrong way... I'd like to see you win for once
[20:46:03] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Mobian› lol. for once?
[20:46:11] ‹shockcannon› how many tourney wins you got?
[20:46:20] ‹shockcannon› also moehrpi going down 5-0 once majofa posts the next round
[20:46:32] ‹Vineroz› I guess playing mafia on the internet is better than irl
[20:46:39] ‹Vineroz› (I've only played irl)
[20:47:05] ‹Mobian› ‹@Vineroz› I think the forum-based version allows for more shenanigans and strategy
[20:47:25] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Vineroz› you should join my forum game once it gets posted
[20:47:32] ‹Linkcat› It's very different, so it's up to preference, but it still depends on the people who are playing.
[20:47:44] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Vineroz› its has mafia elements but eliminates all the issues you seem to have
[20:47:46] ‹Linkcat› If you didn't have a good time playing irl then the problem was likely with the group.
[20:47:54] ‹Mobian› There's no body language to worry about, so it's all how you project yourself based on your words
[20:49:32] ‹Mobian› And I'm autistic as hell, so body language is a bitch for me to decipher, but words.... words are fun.

[20:52:35] ‹MasterWalks› If we get rid of shock early, not only do we have a chance of eliminating a mafia, we will eliminate the cryptic mind games too
[20:53:13] ‹Mobian› While true, isn't that what this game is all about?
[20:53:26] ‹shockcannon› That's the thing about shock. Could be either. He could simply be trying to help in his own strange way, too. I wonder what he's really thinking.
[20:53:29] ‹shockcannon› lol
[20:53:52] ‹shockcannon› how about......GA saves me tonight
[20:53:57] ‹shockcannon› and investigative role investigates me
[20:54:19] ‹MasterWalks› Yea but shocks mind games are narcissistic mind games. We need someone who mind games others
[20:54:38] ‹Mobian› A valid point...
[20:54:48] ‹shockcannon› i already put myself out there
[20:54:56] ‹shockcannon› probably going to get a few visits tonight
[20:55:13] ‹shockcannon› perfect opportunity for the dragonfly to watch me and gain a hwole lot of info
[20:55:25] ‹shockcannon› see how i'm setting stuff up?
[20:55:45] ‹shockcannon› most night 0s were probably a crapshoot with everything happening at random
[20:55:52] ‹shockcannon› but i'm offering a centralized avenue for information flow
[20:56:33] ‹Mobian› You really do like the spotlight, don't you?
[20:56:56] ‹shockcannon› no, i really like winning
[20:57:04] ‹shockcannon› but I also understand how people view me
[20:57:29] ‹shockcannon› so in this scenario, putting myself in the spotlight to give townies more early info is my best shot at winning
[20:57:56] ‹shockcannon› you think if I stay quiet and say nothing that i'll be ignored?
[20:58:02] ‹shockcannon› insig and master would probably still try to lynch me
[20:59:07] ‹Mobian› I dunno. I have no idea how this will all play out. I'm just taking it one moment at a time
[21:00:23] ‹shockcannon› honestly, if i stay quiet, that'll probably be even more suspicious because of the expectations everyone has for me
[21:02:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat from RootRanger in Forum Games. I found Waldo.
[21:02:08] ‹Mobian› I dunno, shock.... You've been known to be rather insightful when you're not busy being obnoxious
[21:06:40] ‹shockcannon› lol
[21:09:36] ‹MasterWalks› Shock, if you were a mafia, who would you kill?
[21:10:02] ‹shockcannon› probably you
[21:10:18] ‹Mobian› Why Master?
[21:10:19] ‹MasterWalks› :heart:
[21:10:42] ‹shockcannon› because he's actually going to be a useful player
[21:11:02] ‹shockcannon› wait
[21:11:12] ‹shockcannon› @Linkcat do roles of lynched or killed players get revealed?
[21:11:21] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[21:11:33] ‹shockcannon› mafia/town and role?
[21:11:38] ‹shockcannon› or just one or the other
[21:11:46] ‹Linkcat› Both
[21:11:56] ‹shockcannon› interesting
[21:12:43] ‹Mobian› Indeed....
[21:13:41] ‹Mobian› So we're going to experience anywhere between 3-8 rounds
[21:13:58] ‹Mobian› And each round SOMETHING will come to light....
[21:14:11] ‹MasterWalks› 3 would be a perfect run. Has that ever happened before?
[21:14:53] ‹Linkcat› I won Mafia 55 in three phases, but that's because the setup was broken.
[21:15:43] ‹Mobian› If there are multiple golden nymphs, then it's possible for all of the FGs to be revealed quickly
[21:15:44] ‹shockcannon› ‹@Linkcat› let me get this straight
[21:16:03] ‹shockcannon› hypothetically if I was schrodinger cat
[21:16:10] ‹shockcannon› and I wanted to survive being lynched tomorrow
[21:16:15] ‹shockcannon› I should use my ability tonight?
[21:16:33] ‹shockcannon› and then if I did get lynched, I would be revealed and lose my ability?
[21:16:40] ‹shockcannon› but I would still be alive
[21:17:29] ‹Mobian› yup
[21:17:57] ‹shockcannon› cool
[21:22:06] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› ‹@Mobian› i'm offering you two and everyone else a golden opportunity
[21:22:35] ‹shockcannon› if all the information roles visit me tonight we'll have a lot of evidence to work with
[21:22:43] ‹shockcannon› and more evidence=better for town
[21:24:54] ‹MasterWalks› That's a terrible idea
[21:27:18] ‹PrivatePotato› You have a new private message.
[21:27:26] ‹Mobian› ‹@MasterWalks› I'm inclined to agree with you. Using all investigative techniques on a single target is simply wasteful.
[21:27:27] ‹Linkcat› There was also Mafia 53 where the mafia, including me, were all killed extremely fast.
[21:28:04] ‹Linkcat› This is because there were THREE COPS, one of which killed any mafia they voted on.
[21:33:16] ‹Mobian› there's only 1 cop role in this version, right?
[21:33:21] ‹MasterWalks› Yea but you could be mafia simply pretend to have one.
[21:36:08] ‹shockcannon› the only investigative role that's a true"resource" is the golden nymph
[21:36:42] ‹shockcannon› for example, if the dragonfly checks someone and no one visits them they essentially get 0 information
[21:36:50] ‹shockcannon› and who the dragonfly checks is pretty much random at this point
[21:37:20] ‹shockcannon› but if all the informative roles check the same person they can verify each other
[21:37:27] ‹shockcannon› this makes it harder for people to fake role claim
[21:37:29] ‹Mobian› Firefly is a thing too
[21:39:06] ‹Mobian› Investigative abilities are also mostly EoR, so wasting them all on a single person buys the mafia a free turn
[21:40:16] ‹shockcannon› does it though?
[21:40:34] ‹Mobian› Absolutely
[21:40:42] ‹shockcannon› figuring out multiple townies is better than guessing 3/14 for mafia
[21:41:15] ‹shockcannon› the only abilities that can actually learn mafia are golden nymph and dragonfly
[21:41:24] ‹shockcannon› and dragonfly has to randomly choose the same person the mafia chooses
[21:41:31] ‹Mobian› in 4 rounds, you'll have confirmed 2 townies
[21:42:02] ‹shockcannon› in 4 rounds you'll have 2 confirmed townies no matter what you do
[21:42:06] ‹shockcannon› unless golden nymph dies
[21:42:16] ‹Linkcat› The Nightkill cannot be tracked.
[21:42:33] ‹Mobian› And when the mafia can eliminate a player every round, why wouldn't they eliminate the confirmed civs?
[21:43:36] ‹shockcannon› nightkill can't be tracked!?!?!
[21:43:43] ‹shockcannon› even more reason to use my strategy
[21:44:39] ‹Mobian› Talk about wasteful...
[21:44:43] ‹shockcannon› I'd rather confirm the dragonfly, psion, and firefly by day 1 then have those 3 roles randomly choose and potentially learn nothing
[21:45:11] ‹shockcannon› how is it wasteful?
[21:45:16] ‹shockcannon› you confirm 3 roles right off the bat
[21:45:35] ‹shockcannon› if those 3 roles can't track nightkill, then they have no way of figuring out mafia anyways
[21:46:32] ‹shockcannon› I legitimately see 0 downside to having dragonfly, psion, and firefly all look at the same person Night 0
[21:48:12] ‹shockcannon› having psion and firefly look at the same person is no different than if they randomly picked, because they learn different things.
[21:48:28] ‹shockcannon› and then if the dragonfly also visits that person, they can confirm who the psion and firefly are
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 18, 2019, 06:17:08 am
I don't really feel like looking at past games. Is the optimal strategy for the guardian angel to reveal early or no?
I can't help but think that you may or may not be the Guardian Angel. :silly: But it could also be one of the following:
Either way, psychologically none of these mean to me that shock is mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 18, 2019, 07:02:18 am
I can't help but think that you may or may not be the Guardian Angel. :silly: But it could also be one of the following:
  • An indirect message to the Guardian Angel, trying to help him without revealing him.
  • An attempt of "Hey Town, I may be an important role, so don't kill me".
Either way, psychologically none of these mean to me that shock is mafia.

Perhaps, but his focus on trying to get the investigative roles to all target the same person is troubling. In so doing, this could cause them to reveal themselves, and potentially put a target on their heads, and if not, still spend all the cooldowns for 2 turns on a single target, which may end up getting knocked off by the mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 18, 2019, 07:10:13 am
"[20:39:16] ‹shockcannon› also my question got rootranger to share his plan for how the town should strategize"

Root is Root. He'll have done this regardless lmao
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 07:33:31 am
Your strat assumes mafia dont have secondary roles. It confirms nothing except secondary roles. It also wastes a 1/9 chance angel happens to save a civ tonight, because i can guarentee mafia wont target you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 18, 2019, 08:48:28 am
Obviously there are complications to this plan so we shouldn't strive for it unless it drops into our palms, but we get some fun things to occur if Phoenix dies early.

Golden Nymph can tell them who to vote for, and people can, for the most part, vote for that person if they consistently put the vote on the same person.

It gets even better if Vulture targets Phoenix, then also dies, then you get two "confirmed towns"

The cost of this is 4 dead towns over 2 days 2 nights which is why we shouldn't strive to get this, also the lack of Vulture -> Golden Nymph if Nymph dies. It's an extremely nice novelty to get though



Most reading comes from discussions about the game, I don't like the bread question set like "Who is your favourite Spice Girl" "What is your favourite colour" "What do you think town should do" because they don't really achieve much, but if someone else wants to make one then go ahead I guess? For the most part, we should actively discuss a lot of things openly, who dies and why they die, etc. This can help people start to "read" others, though it may end up being just as useless as the bread questionnaire

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 18, 2019, 09:29:18 am
Alright. Clearly I rubbed some people the wrong way. I'm just going to stop talking and let you guys figure out the strategy. Probably won't hear from me for at least a couple night/day phases assuming I make it that far. I'll just reveal as schrodinger cat right now so no one has to ask or question why I'm not talking. I'm using it tonight so I at least live to see night 1 in my first mafia game.

Peace
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 18, 2019, 09:37:41 am
@shockcannon

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/763/07B89120-B48D-45FB-AF1D-49AF6CD16790.jpeg)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 18, 2019, 09:54:36 am
But what if this was a bait the whole time
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 01:49:05 pm
Alright. Clearly I rubbed some people the wrong way. I'm just going to stop talking and let you guys figure out the strategy. Probably won't hear from me for at least a couple night/day phases assuming I make it that far. I'll just reveal as schrodinger cat right now so no one has to ask or question why I'm not talking. I'm using it tonight so I at least live to see night 1 in my first mafia game.

Peace

Didn't rub me up teh wrong way at all lol, I just gave my 2 cents on your strategy. In fact i can't really see many people going heavy on you (I have played a lot of mafia, and Night 1 over reading into everything is kinda tradition. don't take it to heart. What you shouldn't do it 20 mins into a game ragequit for a few days. Clearly you are thinking, and that''s the main thing, i just don't agree with your strat (though i may have misunderstood teh rules.

Can you lay out your strat target by target, and write out what you hope to achieve with each target? as i understood it, it wastes a load of abilities to only find out secondary roles which could be maf or town, but am I wrong?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 18, 2019, 07:00:44 pm
About 24 hours remain and about 24 hours have passed. the following people have not made any comment or question on Mafia.

Kuroaitou
iancudorinmarian -Has Alibi
Naii_the_Baf -Has Alibi
PlayerOA
Mathman101 -Has stated he will only be semi active

Silence can lead to probable cause.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 18, 2019, 07:07:39 pm
Had exam today, another exam tomorrow, no time to get involved atm
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on April 18, 2019, 07:16:07 pm

About 24 hours remain and about 24 hours have passed. the following people have not made any comment or question on Mafia.

Kuroaitou
iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf
PlayerOA
Mathman101

Silence can lead to probable cause.


Currently participating in a contest, out of town until Tuesday. Activity might be low or null. No viable computer for serious discussion. I am reading every now and then, though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 18, 2019, 07:50:41 pm
Haven’t said anything because... well I don’t have too much to say at the moment. Kinda dislike random babbling with nothing to lead on at this early stage. Watching carefully though, trying to tie together some loose ends
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 07:51:11 pm
About 24 hours remain and about 24 hours have passed. the following people have not made any comment or question on Mafia.

Kuroaitou
iancudorinmarian -Has Alibi
Naii_the_Baf -Has Alibi
PlayerOA
Mathman101 -Has stated he will only be semi active

Silence can lead to probable cause.

Editing posts in any way is against the rules
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 18, 2019, 08:03:47 pm
On another note, why would MW be so eager to have the five of us join posting? Hopefully it's just a good initiative to promote activity, but for all I know he might want to lay suspicion of us based on what I would call a rather weak foundation..
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 18, 2019, 08:39:34 pm
On another note, why would MW be so eager to have the five of us join posting? Hopefully it's just a good initiative to promote activity, but for all I know he might want to lay suspicion of us based on what I would call a rather weak foundation..

Pretty sure he just wants everyone engaged.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 18, 2019, 08:46:58 pm
On another note, why would MW be so eager to have the five of us join posting? Hopefully it's just a good initiative to promote activity, but for all I know he might want to lay suspicion of us based on what I would call a rather weak foundation..

Fine, here is a weak foundation for suspicion for everyone, not just you 5:

JCJ- Called me out for a penalty, if he gets me modkilled, thats one less person he has to kill on night phase
Insig- Is playing rather stealthy. In War, he had opinions on everyone's decks and strategies.
Shock- I think that speaks for itself.
d2d- Has quite the opinion on which questions should and should not be asked. Is he hiding something?
coffee- Has been quiet this year until mafia... That not really anything to be suspicious about, maybe that alone makes it suspicious?
Kuro- Master of Games. This guy knows how to mafia. Thats scary.
DubC- Wants to lynch anyone who claims survivor on principle. I dunno what that means but it sounds aggressive. 
Sub- Know the forums a little too well. This guy knows how to write stuff really well, so he is probably a pretty good liar when it comes to writing too.
MW- Likes to throw suspicion. Is he hiding something? Probably not. Also, did not read the rules completely so he already has a warning.
Mobi- Was willing to joins Shocks little clan of intel gathering. If he was mafia, he just got himself on the inside.
RR- Another pro at mafia. Experience is experience and its worth being wary of it.

There, a weak foundation on everyone. Until we get the first kill, any one of these people could be cold blooded killers. Keep your eyes up.
(This is not breaking rule 6, i have no teammates yet until the first person is killed. This is all valid suspicion in my mind, kinda.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 18, 2019, 08:54:40 pm
Fair enough, seems like I succeeded in sparking some discussion in night 0 after all :D
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 08:57:44 pm
lol, didn't call you out for a penalty, i nipped editing posts in the bud, in your case it was for a reasonable reason, but it needed to be pointed out so people didn't edit a scummy sounding post in the future. Town are a team, you literally never want a mod penalty :/ it's not a warning, it's pointing something out to a new mafia player which you probably wouldn't have known. Lots of rules, it's fair enough to miss one.

In terms of getting people to post, it is a long standing best practice to call out people who haven't posted a lot. Easiest way to be overlooked is to not say anything people could read into, so everyone should post a min of one post a phase unless RL prohibits.

btw, not long left of night one, don't forget to use your abilities if they make sense to use.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 18, 2019, 09:29:59 pm
btw, not long left of night one, don't forget to use your abilities if they make sense to use.
Ah, shoot. I assumed we started with Day and haven't even noticed that it is actually Night. >_> Good call!

About strategies, I've read a good suggestion from someone about having the Phoenix as our unkillable center of information. That is the best possible scenario for Town, though achieving that purposely is too risky. Also be aware that the Phoenix is not guaranteed to be a civilian.

Vulture and Crusader are also key elements in the puzzle, because they can multiply the most useful roles in the game. If we somehow get 3 Guardian Angels, they can chainguard each other infinitely, which is also a great base for a Town Information Central.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 18, 2019, 09:34:23 pm
Discussion on rules and rulebreaking is outside the context of the game and should not be used to read players.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 18, 2019, 09:44:53 pm
GA should be protecting the Nymph at all times too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 18, 2019, 09:45:19 pm
Discussion on rules and rulebreaking is outside the context of the game and should not be used to read players.

Makes sense. In that case:

JCJ- Called me out for a penalty, if he gets me modkilled, thats one less person he has to kill on night phase Can guarantee who the mafia will target.

Your strat assumes mafia dont have secondary roles. It confirms nothing except secondary roles. It also wastes a 1/9 chance angel happens to save a civ tonight, because i can guarentee mafia wont target you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 10:06:29 pm
Yes, because mafia never target the scummiest looking civ.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 18, 2019, 10:07:14 pm
Why would they, when they are more likely to be mislynched
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 18, 2019, 10:37:45 pm
Guardian Angel and Iridium Warden have swapped places in the Role Priority list.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 18, 2019, 11:46:28 pm
d2d- Has quite the opinion on which questions should and should not be asked. Is he hiding something?

W...well yeah I am... You see, I don't know any of the Spice Girls... So if someone asked that, I wouldn't be able to answer it :(
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 18, 2019, 11:50:09 pm
Ok but I'll provide context to my post for those who aren't as familiar with it

Most people tend to be quite split on whether the bread questionnaire is worthwhile or not, and I am in the party of people who think it is useless. Feel free to make one, but our efforts can be spent elsewhere instead of giving people safe posts to say stuff like "I'm active, don't you see where I said I prefer noodles over waffles"
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 19, 2019, 12:35:29 am
[17:19:23] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@dawn_to_dusk› If you were to chose any ability you wanted besides GN, which would you chose?
[17:22:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If I were to choose what ability I would have at the start of the game, I would choose Phoenix

hmmmmmm.....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 19, 2019, 12:37:33 am
Obviously there are complications to this plan so we shouldn't strive for it unless it drops into our palms, but we get some fun things to occur if Phoenix dies early.

Golden Nymph can tell them who to vote for, and people can, for the most part, vote for that person if they consistently put the vote on the same person.

It gets even better if Vulture targets Phoenix, then also dies, then you get two "confirmed towns"

The cost of this is 4 dead towns over 2 days 2 nights which is why we shouldn't strive to get this, also the lack of Vulture -> Golden Nymph if Nymph dies. It's an extremely nice novelty to get though

I believe this train of thinking is reflected by this post
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 19, 2019, 01:54:43 am
I've thought about it more and a civ Phoenix is indeed quite strong. It may make sense as a Day 1 lynch. Phoenix could then receive all civ information and piece together who to vote for, with the rest of the civs bandwagoning on the Phoenix's vote. The ideal scenario is that the cop sends info that a player is mafia to the Phoenix, but even knowing confirmed civs is useful such that the Phoenix has a higher % chance of finding a mafia on a lynch. It's just contingent on the Phoenix knowing what he's doing and the civs knowing to trust him.

:fire
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 03:40:12 pm
Root -

Phoenix - Passive
Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text. You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.

Not a good idea, especially when a dead phoenix won't count towards our end-game total.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 19, 2019, 05:57:32 pm
RL has been in my way of late(the last 50ish hours), but I have skimmed through roughly about what has been said so far.


I think that while we can slowly gather info now, all we are really doing is pointing fingers aimlessly right now. Once we have our first death and first nights abilities information then we can start making deductions and slowly weasel the mafia out of hiding.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 06:23:10 pm
Root -

Phoenix - Passive
Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text. You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.

Not a good idea, especially when a dead phoenix won't count towards our end-game total.

but confirmed town can PM town-dead-phoenix. Then town-dead-phoenix can vote first. All town then know to vote for TDP's vote, and we have a mouth for the town confirmed alliance, without any of them revealing themselves as town. It creates an unkillable mouthpiece for secret town, and essentially makes confirmed town as powerful as mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 06:40:46 pm
I would love it if it were that simple, but if I'm understanding that phrase in the text correctly, the phoenix can't tell us who to vote for with their vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 19, 2019, 06:43:42 pm
(New player question: Are votes public posts, or simply polls used during the day cycle?)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 06:45:57 pm
Votes are posts, with a format like this:

Coffeeditto (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Coffeeditto

The person on the left is the person being voted on (going to be lynched), the number is how many players are voting on them, and the names on the right are who is voting on that person.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 06:46:21 pm
I would love it if it were that simple, but if I'm understanding that phrase in the text correctly, the phoenix can't tell us who to vote for with their vote.

my reading is that they can't give further information, or switch votes to form a sentence with first letters.. how can they vote but not communicate with a vote? the vote is saying "I think this person is mafia" we can message them, ergo they can pool the information they receive and put a simple vote, no other text, just "this is who I think is mafia" like anyone else voting.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 06:48:32 pm
I would love it if it were that simple, but if I'm understanding that phrase in the text correctly, the phoenix can't tell us who to vote for with their vote.

my reading is that they can't give further information, or switch votes to form a sentence with first letters.. how can they vote but not communicate with a vote? the vote is saying "I think this person is mafia" we can message them, ergo they can pool the information they receive and put a simple vote, no other text, just "this is who I think is mafia" like anyone else voting.
The way that this is being phrased leads me to believe that Link didn't intend to allow a lynhc based entirely on the Phoenix's tells, but we should wait and see what Link has to say. It is kind of obscure writing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 19, 2019, 06:50:44 pm
Votes are posts, with a format like this:

Coffeeditto (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Coffeeditto

The person on the left is the person being voted on (going to be lynched), the number is how many players are voting on them, and the names on the right are who is voting on that person.

So everyone voting has to carry on the former post, and add to it? Wouldn't a base poll be easier?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 06:55:32 pm
It's usually more convenient for everyone to make a new post to see when things change ore get removed or stuff.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 06:55:52 pm
Votes are posts, with a format like this:

Coffeeditto (2) - Espithel, UTAlan
UTAlan (1) - Coffeeditto

The person on the left is the person being voted on (going to be lynched), the number is how many players are voting on them, and the names on the right are who is voting on that person.

no it wouldn't because you need to see who voted for who for the following day. You can learn a lot by who voted for who, and when in teh chain. If a mafia gets lunched unanimously, the ones who moved their vote half way through, or voted towards the end MIGHT be more suspect. Later rounds you need to read back a lot to analyse voting patterns
So everyone voting has to carry on the former post, and add to it? Wouldn't a base poll be easier?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 06:57:03 pm
EBWOP: oops i put my answer to mobian within his quote. should be:

Q: So everyone voting has to carry on the former post, and add to it? Wouldn't a base poll be easier?

A: no it wouldn't because you need to see who voted for who for the following day. You can learn a lot by who voted for who, and when in teh chain. If a mafia gets lunched unanimously, the ones who moved their vote half way through, or voted towards the end MIGHT be more suspect. Later rounds you need to read back a lot to analyse voting patterns
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 19, 2019, 06:58:33 pm
I think I understand now. Thank you for clarifying, everyone! :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 19, 2019, 07:06:25 pm
Ash votes for whoever they want to lynch as if they were playing normally and literally nothing else.They can base this decision on whatever information they choose.

Day 1 may be delayed up to 8 hours after the deadline as I am helping my brother move.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 07:08:02 pm
so yes, Dead-town-ash (DTA) can act as reciever by PM for confirmed town without confirmed town revealing themselves.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 07:14:22 pm
Okay, rad. So all that needs to happen, as previously stated by root, is for phoenix to claim and be lynched D1. Let's hope Phoenix got placed in the game  :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 19, 2019, 07:20:06 pm
Okay, rad. So all that needs to happen, as previously stated by root, is for phoenix to claim and be lynched D1. Let's hope Phoenix got placed in the game  :)

woah, not sure i agree here

instant lynching town is a bad idea.

Also, phoenix will have no way of knowing if it is being contacted by town or by mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 19, 2019, 07:26:03 pm
Phoenix is still a clear town. I would argue that it's better to lynch and have a confirmed town that can still vote and half-communicate-half-not than mislynch into a golden nymph. Ideally, we would lynch a mafia but we can't always be so certain throughout the later game, where a mislynch is more likely to impact the game negatively. If we confirm the Phoenix early, it minimalizes damage otherwise and allows us to follow a leader with more information than anyone else might have due to a hunch, and even if the Phoenix can't confirm either way, I think we can agree that they will have more insight than the rest of us.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 19, 2019, 08:10:54 pm
Role Priority now includes all roles.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 19, 2019, 10:53:21 pm
[03:37:08 PM] ‹MasterWalks› We need to figure out how to get a confirmed civ
[03:37:41 PM] ‹Mobian› The golden nymph will confirm someone soon
[03:38:06 PM] ‹MasterWalks› did you get GN?
[03:39:18 PM] ‹MasterWalks› lets hope and pray the iridium ward didnt target golden nymph
[03:39:42 PM] ‹Mobian› I did not. Kinda glad, too. Too much responsibility
[3:39:48 PM] Guest-FleshRecluse-9d55d joined.
[03:40:21 PM] ‹MasterWalks› did you get an information role?
[03:40:55 PM] ‹Mobian› That would be telling :P
[3:41:36 PM] Guest-FleshRecluse-9d55d left.
[03:42:21 PM] ‹MasterWalks› well it doesnt say anywhere in the rules you cant share your ability... unless your hiding something  :getlost:
[03:42:30 PM] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
(5d9) 9 + 8 + 8 + 7 + 9 = 41 ...!
[03:42:57 PM] ‹Mobian› How do I know you can be trusted with such precious information?
[03:43:56 PM] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› What if your conversation is a ruse to keep people off your trail/
[03:44:25 PM] ‹MasterWalks› ill let you know that i used my ability within about an hour of receiving the PM
[3:47:32 PM] PlayerOa left.
[03:50:17 PM] ‹Mobian› I used my ability as well. But without knowing what these abilities are, that information doesn't do anyone any good
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 20, 2019, 06:45:19 am
Day 1

Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet, machine guns ready to go.

A Firefly has revealed an Elemental.

Day 1 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 20, 2019, 06:53:28 am
[16:48:25] ‹MasterWalks› wait... so does that mean there was no nightkill? :o
[16:49:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It means that nobody died
[16:50:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Whether there was an attempted Nightkill or not, we're not sure
[16:50:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Linkcat› Antlion and Graboid protect against Nightkill, correct?
[16:50:59] ‹Mobian› Interesting
[16:51:00] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 20, 2019, 08:51:55 am
*sips coffee*
Let's stir some shit.

Person below gets my first vote*

*Vote may not be permament
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 20, 2019, 08:56:29 am
It's illegal to vote on the host.

[09:55:17] ‹Linkcat› Something significant did happen, you can now start trying to kill each other.
[10:10:46] ‹MasterWalks› well we now have the opportunity to have a confirmed civ
[10:13:00] ‹Mobian› Not quite. We know that at least 1 of the Firefly's targets is. But no clue which one.
[10:13:29] ‹MasterWalks› ah true
[10:16:26] ‹MasterWalks› okay i have a very educated guess on who had antlion/graboid last night.
[10:23:06] ‹Mobian› Oh?
[10:25:32] ‹MasterWalks› basically it 2/3 of chance i am right
[10:25:36] ‹MasterWalks› i think
[10:26:04] ‹Mobian› Interesting theory
[01:13:06] ‹iancudorinmarian› how many mafia are there?
[01:13:15] ‹Mobian› 3
[01:13:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› Hm, then all 3 of them forgetting to send a NK is very unlikely
[01:13:57] ‹Mobian› There are 3 False Gods and 12 Elementals.
[01:14:15] ‹Mobian› It's quite likely they targetting the Ant or Grab
[01:14:25] ‹MasterWalks› angel, graboid, or antlion was most likely used
[01:14:27] ‹Mobian› *they were targetting
[01:15:25] ‹iancudorinmarian› Linkcat, what is this "parity" you're talking about in the rules?
[01:15:54] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@iancudorinmarian› if 3 mafia and 3 civs are alive, mafia win if one is burrowed grabboid
[01:16:08] ‹iancudorinmarian› Ah, okay. Thanks.
[01:16:37] ‹Linkcat› Mafia win regardless at that point.
[01:16:41] ‹Mobian› If the grab is burrowed, then 4 civs = loss
[01:16:55] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› oh yeah true
[01:17:08] ‹Mobian› 3 parity is all that's required for a whole mafia team
[01:17:15] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› so 5 civs = loss if phoenix is dead and grab burrowed
[01:17:51] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› the question is, will mafia stick or twist with their NK
[01:17:56] ‹Mobian› That being said, if we can reduce the mafia's numbers, their parity condition will be harder to meet
[01:18:49] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› they could have hit grabby, in which case makes sense to change target, antlion and it makes sense to stick, angel is wildcard
[01:19:36] ‹Mobian› If they were protected by an angel, they can't be protected again until Night 2
[01:19:45] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That's 2/3 they should switch
[01:19:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Assuming they don't know
[01:20:16] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› wait i may have missed that, angel must switch targets?
[01:20:26] ‹MasterWalks› if they hit antlion, why would they stick?
[01:20:39] ‹iancudorinmarian› "This ability fails if the target was protected by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night."
[01:20:49] ‹Mobian› ^
[01:20:53] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@MasterWalks› antlion is EoR
[01:20:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› Yeah, it can't protect the same player twice in a row
[01:21:22] ‹MasterWalks› ohhh makes sense
[01:21:39] ‹Mobian› So that's 2/3 stick
[01:21:46] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› grab is protection always until evolved, antlion can burrow every other round, angel is every round but not same player twice ina row
[01:22:16] ‹Mobian› Warden could protect the angel'd target though, and they could trade off every other round
[01:22:26] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@Mobian› BUT, if they stick on grabboid that's a massive disadvantage missing 1st two NKs
[01:22:43] ‹Mobian› true
[01:22:48] ‹MasterWalks› what happens when grabby evolves?
[01:22:52] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@Mobian› would require angel and warden revealing themselves, terrible idea
[01:23:10] ‹Mobian› They can vote and be targeted
[01:23:15] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@MasterWalks› it is able to vote, and counts as Civy so delays mafia win
[01:23:53] ‹MasterWalks› oh yea they cant vote until evolved... dunno how i missed that
[01:24:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› Graboid is basically the last resort if it ever comes that close
[01:24:05] ‹Mobian› So, we see who doesn't vote. That player is likely the burrowed one
[01:24:13] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› so it might be fairly clear who teh graboid is
[01:24:20] ‹iancudorinmarian› You're not forced to vote though.
[01:24:29] ‹iancudorinmarian› Multiple player could abstain.
[01:24:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› *players
[01:24:40] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› hmmm...
[01:24:43] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› i wonder
[01:24:44] ‹iancudorinmarian› Unless I missed some rule
[01:24:48] ‹Mobian› True, this could cloak the grab
[01:24:50] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› at this point we know very little
[01:25:10] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› what if we no lynch today?
[01:25:16] ‹Mobian› Basically back to square 1
[01:25:31] ‹Mobian› That's what I'm thinking... I'd hate to lynch an ally
[01:25:31] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› no
[01:25:36] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› yeas
[01:25:47] ‹iancudorinmarian› No lynch is 0/15 chance to get a mafia, lynch random is 3/15
[01:25:51] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› so we will have had 2 nights for investigative roles to work
[01:26:05] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@iancudorinmarian› normally i'd 100% agree
[01:26:19] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› and i have used that argument vehemently before
[01:26:26] ‹Mobian› lynch rando is also 12/15 to hit a townie
[01:26:48] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@Mobian› lynch is town's power to win
[01:27:01] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› if you sit and dont lynch you get picked off yada yada
[01:27:02] ‹Mobian› Sure, with the intel to back the play
[01:27:14] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› however in this setup, with a no NK night 1
[01:27:26] ‹iancudorinmarian› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› What makes you disagree this time?
[01:27:30] ‹Mobian› Otherwise we're committing a witchhunt
[01:27:57] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› hmm actually... i'm undecided
[01:28:24] ‹iancudorinmarian› Indecision is fatal, prepare to get lynched
[01:28:41] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› my idea was that graboid would be hidden, so it forces mafia to switch the NK, gives more time for investigative roles to work
[01:29:00] ‹Mobian› That's a dangerous attitude, ian...
[01:29:19] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› however, the worst a lynch will do is reveal a power role, in which case angel will most likely be able to save them this night
[01:29:31] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@Mobian› he's joking lol
[01:29:47] ‹Mobian› Angel can't interfere with a lynch
[01:30:10] ‹Mobian› their power is nocturnal, if an innocent gets lynched, they're on their own
[01:30:17] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› no, but towards end of day, people who are about to be lynched will usually roleclaim
[01:30:53] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› lynches gain you information by forcing people to talk
[01:30:59] ‹Mobian› People will say anything to avoid death... Doesn't make confessions true
[01:31:37] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› yes, but then when they are found to be lying, it give you more information
[01:32:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› They can also be investigated the next night
[01:32:13] ‹iancudorinmarian› So you find out very shortly if they were telling the truth
[01:32:40] ‹Mobian› maybe... I'm pretty stuck on no lynch, seeing as how we've had no fatality, and no extra intel to move on
[01:32:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› It's not just "pls no lynch, I iz useful" "k"
[01:33:12] ‹iancudorinmarian› Well, we know there's a firefly
[01:33:21] ‹iancudorinmarian› And it targeted 3 targetable people.
[01:33:29] ‹iancudorinmarian› And 1/3 were civvt
[01:33:31] ‹iancudorinmarian› *civvy
[01:33:43] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› oddly i'm inclined to agree on no lynch for once
[01:33:44] ‹Mobian› And of those 3 possibles, a random civvy
[01:34:07] ‹Mobian› Which is essentially no intel
[01:34:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› Would've been fun if firefly got all 3 mafia instantly
[01:34:34] ‹iancudorinmarian› gg ez
[01:35:20] ‹Mobian› Not true. Even then, sure, 1 of them would have been mafia, but no telling which
[01:35:47] ‹Mobian› It would give the GN a place to start digging though
[01:36:01] ‹iancudorinmarian› 0.27%
[01:36:07] ‹iancudorinmarian› Good chances :sillyspin:
[01:36:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@iancudorinmarian› Get Phoenix to claim
[01:36:26] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 3/15 chance Phoenix role is Mafia
[01:36:38] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 12/15 chance we get a "confirmed civ"
[01:36:48] ‹iancudorinmarian› We don't even know if said phoenix exists
[01:36:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Either way we get information
[01:36:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 15 players 15 roles
[01:37:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Not sure if we get doubles
[01:37:07] ‹Mobian› Remember that roles are not unique
[01:37:12] ‹iancudorinmarian› There can be duplicates
[01:37:24] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hm ok
[01:37:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Still nice to ask for a claim then
[01:37:55] ‹iancudorinmarian› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[01:37:59] ‹Mobian› Sure, but it puts a target on their head. Pretty sure the Ash ability can be blocked
[01:38:56] ‹iancudorinmarian› I still don't get how having an Ash is any good
[01:38:58] ‹iancudorinmarian› It can't talk
[01:39:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It can vote
[01:39:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Golden Nymph can send them who to vote for
[01:39:23] ‹iancudorinmarian› You can only send messages to it and you'll get a "seen"
[01:39:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's the best Town role to have dead
[01:39:33] ‹iancudorinmarian› I guess.
[01:39:47] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And with no information
[01:40:00] ‹Mobian› Ghostvotes can turn the tide
[01:40:03] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› that is a pretty good shout
[01:40:26] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If no Phoenix claims, and Psion targets a Phoenix
[01:40:29] ‹dawn_to_dusk› We know that player is mafia
[01:40:36] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› yep
[01:40:51] ‹Mobian› Explain
[01:40:53] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› but we should only have 3 people vote on teh phoenix
[01:41:02] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› because that hides graboid
[01:41:02] ‹iancudorinmarian› Then we'll have a scum Ash trolling us
[01:41:16] ‹iancudorinmarian› Lose - Lose situation :sillyspin:
[01:41:22] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› scum ash means nothing
[01:41:38] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› if anything scum ash votes help us
[01:41:47] ‹Mobian› If the ash is mafia, it can talk but can't vote
[01:42:01] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› it can still vote
[01:42:07] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› oh really?
[01:42:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› oh ok
[01:42:39] ‹Mobian› Phoenix - Passive Ash - If you die and you are an Elemental, you may still vote, but you may not talk in the thread, send PMs, or or communicate in any way with another player. No other player may communicate with you in any way other than a personal message on the forum that contains only text. You may not attempt to use your vote to communicate with other players. If you die and you are a False God, you may still post and communicate with other players. Ash is not counted for parity.
[01:43:27] ‹Linkcat› If only Sol was in this game as a mafia Ash.
[01:44:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Linkcat› I'm still confused on the extents of the "You may not use your vote to communicate" part
[01:45:16] ‹dawn_to_dusk› They have 1 post during the day, that post may only be a vote, and may contain no additional information
[01:45:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But
[01:45:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What if town sets up a "If they vote twice for the same person, it means they're mafia" thing
[01:45:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Does this count as them giving information or town interpreting their vote in a way
[01:46:07] ‹Linkcat› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[01:46:25] ‹Linkcat› Town may not try to get another player to break the rules.
[01:46:57] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ok
[01:47:13] ‹Linkcat› They can say, "Ash voted for rob twice so he must be mafia." They can't say "Ash, vote for rob twice if he's mafia."
[01:49:08] ‹Mobian› This is fun. I'm glad I joined
[01:49:20] ‹Linkcat› Me too.
[01:49:29] ‹Linkcat› Now get other people to join the next one.
[01:52:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat from DoubleCapitals in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[01:55:15] ‹Mobian› Welp, I need to get to bed. I'll check in tomorrow before work, though.
[01:56:57] ‹Linkcat› Night
[01:58:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat from Linkcat in Forum Games. When it absolutely, positively, has to be read overnight.
[01:59:27] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› someone should copy this chatlog
[01:59:49] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› i'm on phone so not me
[02:02:01] ‹Mobian› My touchpad on my laptop is being a bitch, sorry

Ya'll making me do too much.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 20, 2019, 09:05:47 am
[02:06:11] ‹iancudorinmarian› Can you edit my post to make that be in a spoiler?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 20, 2019, 09:08:13 am
[12:07:19] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› your face is obsolete

JonathanCrazyJ (1) - iancudorinmarian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 20, 2019, 09:14:30 am
Ian isn't Graboid confirmed
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 20, 2019, 09:28:36 am
Well... RNG is RNG, not incredibly much else to lead on atm

JonathanCrazyJ (1) - iancudorinmarian
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa

(https://i.ibb.co/QNc40vG/Skjermbilde-2019-04-20-kl-11-25-00.png) with signup list as reference
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 20, 2019, 11:16:59 am
It is always a relief to survive the night.~

It is possible that the lack of a nightkill is a result of shock's plan. Mafia might have targeted him while he was protected by a role. Without more information, I'll just assume this happened.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 20, 2019, 02:10:29 pm

JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa


I read through that chat log, and something about your wishy-washy decisiveness on the no lynch day 1 is throwing me. I'm willing to switch my vote if you can explain a little clearer your strategy with the no lynch, and give a suggestion for a better target for today's lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 20, 2019, 03:31:52 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) - Mobian

We don't have enough intel yet.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 20, 2019, 04:17:09 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian

Damn you Linkcat.

I'm not giving mafia a free :time Walk.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 20, 2019, 04:33:51 pm
Well, no reason not to do this.

JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - RootRanger

I'm Phoenix

:fire
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 20, 2019, 05:27:33 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (2) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo

This seems like a Win-Win-Loss situation, but I'm willing to take the chances. The loss situation is if Root lies about being Phoenix, but there doesn't seem to be a reason for him to lie. (Wins are Root is Civ and dies and Root is Mafia and dies, with the former being the most ideal scenario)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 20, 2019, 05:34:04 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (3) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian

Fine JCJ, you live to see another day. I'll be keeping my eyes on you though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 20, 2019, 05:39:40 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (3) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks

I found a wagon to band.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 20, 2019, 05:40:24 pm
EBWOP

JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (4) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks

I found a wagon to band.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 20, 2019, 05:49:44 pm
Root claiming Phoenix only makes sense if he is telling the truth.

JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (5) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine

I supported this idea from the beginning, so I'm all aboard.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 20, 2019, 06:07:09 pm
JonathanCrazyJ (1) - mathman101
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (6) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa

Root =/= justaburd, support!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 20, 2019, 06:18:00 pm

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101

I cant think of a good reason root would intentionally kill himself if he wasnt Phoenix, or if he were mafia ash. As such, I am willing to follow the train.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 20, 2019, 06:21:03 pm
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapital
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian

Seems like everyone else is on board with Root's self-righteous suicide, so I'll board that train.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 20, 2019, 06:37:21 pm
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian

Fixed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 20, 2019, 07:21:38 pm
In answer to mathman, my reasoning is because of the no nightkill, so the mafia would be forced to switch nightkill targets because they wouldn't know if teh player they misslynched last time was grabboid or not. if nobody voted, graboids would be hidden, meaning mafia would be forced to switch target, and angel would have a chance to intercept nightkill for a second night. Added to the fact that in this game the existance of phoenix means that if we accidentally force golden nymph to claim to avoid a misslynch, we lose an even more powerful role than normal.

that was my reasoning, but I was still on teh fence... remember it wasn't my idea i just wasn't as anti it as I normally am.

Still, I like the phoenix plan. However, root will need to somehow discern who is mafia and who is not... how will he know those claiming golden nymph to him are legit, and who are mafia fake claiming.

Going to be an interesting game
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 20, 2019, 07:25:26 pm
teh

Okay, JCJ sounds legit. If he was nervous he'd probably write the word correctly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 20, 2019, 09:45:42 pm
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

Root has pharaoh. He plans on getting his very own cop kill. Turning himself into ash does nothing strategic.

Shock is mafia.
[14:26:08] ‹MasterWalks› alright guys, shock is mafia.
[14:27:35] ‹MasterWalks› in his first post he claims he has GA (kinda). This would mean the town wouldnt want to lynch him. But that would make him a target for NK, but he cant get targeted by NK cuz he is already mafia
[14:28:50] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› How do you know he is not a grabboid or an ant lion though?
[14:29:08] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:29:18] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Both of those are untargetable during night also. For both abilities and NK.
[14:30:14] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› He doesnt claim angel there. He just questions about its claiming for strategic purposes.
[14:30:56] ‹MasterWalks› no, but he implies it
[14:31:31] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› No he doesnt. He is asking for strategic purposes for whoever else is the angel.
[14:32:00] ‹MasterWalks› impling he has GA would make him a def target for NK. If he had grabby, he saved the town by getting NK targeted to him, but i dont think he was able to come up with that strategy in his first mafia game
[14:32:11] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› All of us know shock to ask the oddball questions up front, he has actually done angel a favour and saved them not having to ask it themselves.
[14:32:40] ‹MasterWalks› well, no one gave him a straight answer
[14:33:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Why would we this early though? No one can trust anyone else yet as we are all still figuring out who is mafia with the little to no info we have.
[14:33:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@MasterWalks› He did reveal he was SC.
[14:34:37] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe that one bit.
[14:34:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Where does he claim S.cat.?
[14:34:55] ‹MasterWalks› he is just diverting attention
[14:35:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait wrong one
[14:35:33] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:44] ‹MasterWalks› that link shows he claims SC
[14:37:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Hmm, I feel like most people saying that would be just trying to divert attention.
[14:38:05] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[14:38:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› But for some reason I think shock has that creative mindset that would allow him to actually do that though.
[14:38:57] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› It is a risky plan, and most likely a waste since it is only a OU skill
[14:39:16] ‹MasterWalks› well its working. no one has mentioned shock since that post and we already have 8 votes on root.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 20, 2019, 10:17:29 pm
I recieved a PM from shock 2 days ago.

He seemed to think that mafia could be tempted to jump on the idea of voting for him because his resonses have been called out as scummy sounding. Personally I don't think he has done anything directly scummy, it's just his personality. However, that's also teh reason I thought it was unlikeley he'd be lynched.

he went on to say he planned to be quiet for a while to see if anyone aggressively voted on him.

I have a question for MW. Why do you think root is Pharoah? Why would he kill himself as town or mafia just for an attempted snipe? It doesn't make sense. The phoenix plan is reasonably sound, except that he won't know if the people PMing him are actually town or mafia.

Personally I am in favour of holding off on the phoenix kill. He is all but confirmed town due to targeting himself, so we can use him just as well alive or dead, just make the mafia do the killing not us. Saves us a lynch to target someone else.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 20, 2019, 10:37:48 pm
MasterWalks, mafia suiciding just to maybe kill the golden nymph is probably dumb. I don't think someone like Root would try to pull that off.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 20, 2019, 10:43:01 pm
[14:39:37] ‹MasterWalks› if we kill root, we wastes his first death and silence him.
[14:39:42] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Things can change quickly if new info arises.
[14:41:21] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We'd also have to confirm who's both a Civ and has an Info Role...
[14:41:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› I still dont see any reason root would lynch himself though without a strategic plan in place.
[14:42:01] ‹MasterWalks› turning himself into ash is not that strategic unless he has pharaoh
[14:43:02] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› We need to find a way that the info roles can coordinate their targets.
[14:43:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Even something simple like we choose 3-4 people. And then they each pick one to target, or roll for their target from those 4.
[14:44:44] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› That way it minimizes their pool of targets to help gain a full set of info faster. But doesnt become a complete waste if mafia nightkills one player.
[14:51:43] ‹MasterWalks› ok
[14:52:08] ‹MasterWalks› oh hey shock, hows your day going?
[14:54:12] ‹shockcannon› good
[14:54:24] ‹shockcannon› unfortunately can't stay to chat
[14:54:36] ‹MasterWalks› that is just fine
[15:17:23] ‹MasterWalks› okay so lets gather together information we know for sure. 1) There is a firefly. 2) Shock is not mafia, which means we publicly have a confirmed civ if we can take jcj's word for it. 3) Root either has phoenix or pharaoh.
[15:17:30] ‹MasterWalks› what else?
[15:17:58] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› We already have one confirmed Civ, but we don't know who it is
[15:18:37] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› you could say root is now confirmed civ by outing himself. in which case we don't actually need to kill him
[15:19:31] ‹MasterWalks› well the post jcj just put up has convinced me
[15:19:34] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@MasterWalks› shock is by no means confirmed civ
[15:20:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› but his defence of himself by pm to me rather than by post in chat makes me lean towards a chaotic town read
[15:20:09] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› did he talk to you much before mafia started?
[15:20:20] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› not at all
[15:20:26] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› his pm was in response to this
[15:20:59] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@JonathanCrazyJ› I get where you're coming from regarding the Phoenix kill, but I feel like the Mafia will spare Root now that they know he's Phoenix.
[15:21:09] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288004/#msg1288004
[15:21:16] ‹MasterWalks› thats strange. If he didnt speak to you much before this, it surprises me he would reach out to you. Ofc he could reach out to you due to exp
[15:21:19] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› exactly
[15:21:33] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› they will spare him, meaning he can act as and ACTUAL mouthpiece for town
[15:21:44] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› ofc it could be an incredible gambit
[15:21:50] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› but unlikely
[15:23:12] ‹MasterWalks› if we can consider root as a confirmed civ, and he does have phoenix, than having a semi immortal civ is very very handy.
[15:23:42] ‹JonathanCrazyJ› the actual kill seems unnecessary
[15:24:35] ‹MasterWalks› we need to switch lynch targets
[15:30:00] ‹PlayerOa› i'd kinda like to wait for root's response before doing anything though
[15:30:41] ‹PlayerOa› we have like 30 hours left anyway
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 20, 2019, 10:49:25 pm
Unless he has information on who the GN is. We know that players PM each other. Root may just have played it cool but now has information on a vital role due to another player talking to him.




but yea you guys are probably right
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 20, 2019, 10:57:24 pm
We have yet to see a Phoenix counterclaim, and although roles are not Unique, it is unlikely he would lie in risk of a counterclaim. Plus, it gives day 1 Mafia - Civ which almost always benefits Civ. Even if he lands a priority role, Mafia - Cop I believe favours Civ still. I may be wrong
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 21, 2019, 12:29:38 am
Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian, MasterWalks

changed my mind again. Lets take Root to the gallows!

[17:14:22] ‹MasterWalks› what is the purpose of lynching root? to see if hes lying? if he is, we may have just lynched a valuable ability. If he isnt, all we did is shut him up; and he's not even talking much lol. isnt it a wasted lynch at this point?
[17:16:04] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Personally, I am not sending Root any information until he's dead
[17:16:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And I strongly advise others to do the same
[17:17:11] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Aside from maybe stuff like Firefly
[17:17:24] ‹MasterWalks› at this point, i dont trust (almsot) anybody enough to share information
[17:17:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If Root dies, we can send information though
[17:18:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› The whole point of the plan is to get information to someone who can make use of it
[17:19:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› With the amount of informative roles, Root will get a lot of information very quickly
[17:20:28] ‹MasterWalks› thats only one vote that we influence. If i read the rules right, he cant use his vote to communicate.
[17:21:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Sure, but it would be the most educated vote in the game
[17:22:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Honestly we can No Lynch until Root votes for someone
[17:22:21] ‹MasterWalks› how is that enforced? If we gave him a ton of info, and he votes to lynch, what is stopping us from just following suit with his vote?
[17:22:25] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And be 100% certain they're mafia
[17:22:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But that plan is too risky
[17:22:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Nothing, that's the point
[17:22:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Town can't make Root break the rules
[17:22:58] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Phoenix, rather
[17:23:04] ‹MasterWalks› oh pfft, lets hang root then
[17:23:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Since there is still speculation about it
[17:23:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Root can receive pm's but cannot send them
[17:23:33] ‹MasterWalks› thats fine
[17:24:06] ‹MasterWalks› i was thinking it would be a rule breaker if root votes and we all just vote what he votes on since in a sense, that is communication through vote
[17:24:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› He is allowed 1 post, that post may only be a vote, and town cannot set up a thing of "Vote twice if someone is Firefly" or something
[17:24:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I think Link said it best
[17:24:54] ‹MasterWalks› ahh i see
[17:25:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Let me get the quote, I've been pestering him a lot about the limits to this
[17:25:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› [01:47:13] ‹Linkcat› They can say, "Ash voted for rob twice so he must be mafia." They can't say "Ash, vote for rob twice if he's mafia."
[17:26:30] ‹MasterWalks› i see. that makes sense. So yea insig is right, its basically a win win
[17:26:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game... It's at the bottom of this post
[17:27:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean it does mean we kill a town instead of someone who could be mafia, but it's the best of the worst
[17:27:42] ‹MasterWalks› well we have no public information that anyone could be mafia
[17:27:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› And with Vulture, mafia Pharaoh to kill a priority role is a terrible idea
[17:28:06] ‹MasterWalks› so yea i agree, root is the best option we have
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 21, 2019, 12:30:57 am
Since we have such a vast majority, shall we stop voting so that Graboid's personality can remain hidden
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 21, 2019, 12:33:00 am
EBWOP for chat links

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288086/#msg1288086 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288086/#msg1288086) This is the post I was talking about
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 21, 2019, 06:05:14 am
1) As a hypothetical mafia with this group of people, I will 1 for 1 mafia for GN.

2)

Mobian (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

Root has pharaoh. He plans on getting his very own cop kill. Turning himself into ash does nothing strategic.

Shock is mafia.
[14:26:08] ‹MasterWalks› alright guys, shock is mafia.
[14:27:35] ‹MasterWalks› in his first post he claims he has GA (kinda). This would mean the town wouldnt want to lynch him. But that would make him a target for NK, but he cant get targeted by NK cuz he is already mafia
[14:28:50] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› How do you know he is not a grabboid or an ant lion though?
[14:29:08] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:29:18] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Both of those are untargetable during night also. For both abilities and NK.
[14:30:14] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› He doesnt claim angel there. He just questions about its claiming for strategic purposes.
[14:30:56] ‹MasterWalks› no, but he implies it
[14:31:31] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› No he doesnt. He is asking for strategic purposes for whoever else is the angel.
[14:32:00] ‹MasterWalks› impling he has GA would make him a def target for NK. If he had grabby, he saved the town by getting NK targeted to him, but i dont think he was able to come up with that strategy in his first mafia game
[14:32:11] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› All of us know shock to ask the oddball questions up front, he has actually done angel a favour and saved them not having to ask it themselves.
[14:32:40] ‹MasterWalks› well, no one gave him a straight answer
[14:33:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Why would we this early though? No one can trust anyone else yet as we are all still figuring out who is mafia with the little to no info we have.
[14:33:31] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ‹@MasterWalks› He did reveal he was SC.
[14:34:37] ‹MasterWalks› i dont believe that one bit.
[14:34:47] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› ‹@InsignificantWeeaboo› Where does he claim S.cat.?
[14:34:55] ‹MasterWalks› he is just diverting attention
[14:35:08] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:17] ‹MasterWalks› wait wrong one
[14:35:33] ‹MasterWalks› http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game...
[14:35:44] ‹MasterWalks› that link shows he claims SC
[14:37:40] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› Hmm, I feel like most people saying that would be just trying to divert attention.
[14:38:05] ‹MasterWalks› exactly
[14:38:26] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› But for some reason I think shock has that creative mindset that would allow him to actually do that though.
[14:38:57] ‹Guest-GiantFrog-c080b› It is a risky plan, and most likely a waste since it is only a OU skill
[14:39:16] ‹MasterWalks› well its working. no one has mentioned shock since that post and we already have 8 votes on root.

I think shock seems more dumb town than mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 21, 2019, 07:45:57 am
[15:34:32] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Dumb town your face Dc

RootRanger (7) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, DoubleCapitals
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 21, 2019, 07:48:48 am
shockcannon (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian, MasterWalks

EBWOP didn't see MW changed votes
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 21, 2019, 05:07:54 pm
shockcannon (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (8) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian, MasterWalks
ian'slameface (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 22, 2019, 01:03:32 am
shockcannon (1) - DoubleCapitals
RootRanger (9) - RootRanger, InsignificantWeeaboo, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, mathman101, Mobian, MasterWalks, Coffeeditto
ian'slameface (1) - shockcannon

obligatory Easter Weekend AFK post, but after the fact. My bad.

I'm a strong proponent for lynching Root, because he has to be Pharoah or Phoenix if he is asking to be lynched. Even if he's maf and flips either one, we've still lynched a maf. This is what needs to happen.

...and I'm arguing for no reason, because it's not likely to flip so suddenly near the end of the phase.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 22, 2019, 01:52:42 am
[11:19:48] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 15 players, 4 haven't voted
[11:20:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Graboid, unless it Evolved, is one of those 4
[11:20:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which is why I wanted people to stop voting
[11:20:34] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Can't do anything about it now though
[11:21:44] ‹Coffeeditto› oh.
[11:21:46] ‹Coffeeditto› my bad
[11:22:31] ‹dawn_to_dusk› No worries
[11:25:20] ‹Coffeeditto› I'd like to think that Kuro is pulling the long con and is actually faking AFK as graboid
[11:26:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I mean at this stage, Mafia might already know anyway
[11:29:29] ‹Coffeeditto› that's neither here nor there IMO
[11:33:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Alternatively, they could know which ability it was that stopped them
[11:33:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Tbh Mafia has a lot of information right now
[11:33:46] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So what can we gain from that information
[11:34:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Might make a post on it
[11:37:30] ‹Coffeeditto› What we think the mafia knows is...
[11:37:59] ‹Coffeeditto› Either that whoever they targeted was protected or something
[11:38:07] ‹Coffeeditto› unless they no killed
[11:38:11] ‹Coffeeditto› and that's just mind games
[11:38:21] ‹Coffeeditto› and kind of dumb.
[11:38:50] ‹Coffeeditto› We know that they know who the Phoenix is if Root's being truthful, which he has no reason not to be
[11:39:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or inactivity
[11:39:30] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Which is why Kuro is kind of suspicious
[11:39:49] ‹Coffeeditto› Who hasn't posted at all so far?
[11:39:55] ‹Coffeeditto› Kuro and
[11:40:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Just Kuro
[11:40:33] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also maybe Fabian
[11:41:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› "Currently participating in a contest, out of town until Tuesday. Activity might be low or null. No viable computer for serious discussion. I am reading every now and then, though."
[11:41:29] ‹Coffeeditto› what are the rules on inactivity for that sort of thing?
[11:41:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't think there are any
[11:42:09] ‹Linkcat› The rules are whatever I say they are.
[11:42:26] ‹Coffeeditto› thanks Link
[11:42:27] ‹Coffeeditto› anyway
[11:42:28] ‹Coffeeditto› 8. If you do not post for three consecutive phases, you will be modkilled.
[11:43:09] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Ah
[11:43:15] ‹Coffeeditto› Link, can one mafia send in a kill if not all members verify it?
[11:44:08] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[11:44:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› So there is a definite chance, though it is small, that Mafia just didn't send in a kill
[11:45:14] ‹Coffeeditto› do we know how many members of the mafia there are in this iteration?
[11:45:21] ‹Coffeeditto› yeah, it's definitely possible
[11:45:36] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 3
[11:45:58] ‹Coffeeditto› oh yeah
[11:46:05] ‹Coffeeditto› it says it right there in the first night post
[11:46:25] ‹Coffeeditto› okay. say that both kuro and Fabian are maf
[11:46:34] ‹Mobian› Think we're lucky enough for all the mafia members to be inactives?
[11:46:49] ‹Coffeeditto› there's a third person who didn't send in the kill if it was truly an inactive kill
[11:46:53] ‹Coffeeditto› or lack thereof
[11:46:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› It's super unlikely
[11:46:56] ‹Linkcat› I didn't roll any mafia. Everyone's town and I'm just going to laugh as you all kill each other for no reason.
[11:47:06] ‹Coffeeditto› I don't think so. it seems pretty damn unlikely
[11:47:13] ‹Mobian› That would be hilarious
[11:47:19] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I think we're done here folks
[11:47:21] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Link confessed
[11:47:23] ‹Coffeeditto› what an awful fate
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 22, 2019, 06:25:00 am
Night 1

Are you ready? Are you ready for this?

RootRanger was lynched. He was an Elemental and a Phoenix.

RootRanger was reborn as an Ash.

The only way you may communicate privately with an Ash is by sending them a forum pm that contains only plain text. Do not try to get an Ash to break the rules by using their vote to communicate. The Ash will only vote on who they think should be lynched. The Phoenix role will not be used in future mafias because it's a pain in the ass.

Night 1 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 22, 2019, 06:38:10 am
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 22, 2019, 10:43:23 am
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 22, 2019, 12:20:20 pm
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 22, 2019, 12:25:33 pm
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 22, 2019, 12:25:54 pm
Sending roles to Root is pretty much pointless unless you have an information role. Anyway, sent.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 22, 2019, 12:48:52 pm
Any role is information for Root
Especially for stuff like Psion and the like
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 22, 2019, 01:16:44 pm
Any role is information for Root
Especially for stuff like Psion and the like
How come? It's unlikely that mafia would even want to lie about their secondary role, since there aren't separate role for mafia/civvy.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 22, 2019, 02:00:58 pm
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 22, 2019, 03:47:37 pm
Sent mine last night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 22, 2019, 04:10:32 pm
Any role is information for Root
Especially for stuff like Psion and the like
How come? It's unlikely that mafia would even want to lie about their secondary role, since there aren't separate role for mafia/civvy.

Root will be a pool of information. At some point an ability will be used 'scumilly' so knowing who has whaf ability could be important. Basically knowledge is power.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 22, 2019, 05:37:08 pm
Role Sent
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 22, 2019, 07:33:50 pm
Sent role
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 22, 2019, 08:48:35 pm
role sent
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 22, 2019, 09:20:19 pm
I had some issues with lynching Root but it's too late now, so I have a few things to say before this plan goes horribly.  First, following Root's vote is a very questionable strategy when he can't communicate to us. Assuming Golden Nymph has yet to find a mafia, then Root would be basing his vote off purely assumptions and some evidence people provide (which could be false evidence given by mafia). Additionally, if multiple people claim golden nymph then Root basically has to vote for everyone who claims golden nymph, because obviously one or multiple of them are mafia. But then we risk losing the golden nymph very early in exchange for a mafia. This may be worth it but who knows.

Moderator Comment Hypothetically breaking the rules is not allowed.

Basically, we should be very hesitant to blindly follow Root's vote. If he votes based off what evidence he has but doesn't know for a fact that the person he is voting is a mafia, we could start lynching town unnecessarily. This is why I really don't think we should've lynched Root because his vote doesn't provide us with as much information as you all think it does.

Essentially, I think this idea was terrible but whatever, we're stuck with it. Just don't go lynching random town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 22, 2019, 10:24:07 pm
He knows as much information as we do, plus everything else. And to add to that, he is a very competent player. Blindly following him honestly isn't a bad idea due to this, but naturally, it's fine to be wary, and the first day or two where he doesn't know too much information it's fine to wait and see how he votes in following days.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 23, 2019, 08:03:07 am
My biggest worry right now is the fate of those who don't send in their roles. As of now, 11 out of 14 people claimed to have sent in their roles. But what about the other 3? If Root decides to vote them out based solely on their lack of cooperation, we might be ordered to hang some Town members. But if we let people get away with not sending their roles, then this plan does feel somewhat wasted.

At minimum, I feel like we should pressure those on the inactive end of the chain. At best, we should keep Root updated with our findings and suspicions.

On a side note, while there are 3 mafia and 3 people who haven't sent in their roles, I believe this is merely a coincidence. However, it is not out of the question that at least one of them is a hiding mafioso.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 23, 2019, 08:15:53 am
My biggest worry right now is the fate of those who don't send in their roles. As of now, 11 out of 14 people claimed to have sent in their roles. But what about the other 3? If Root decides to vote them out based solely on their lack of cooperation, we might be ordered to hang some Town members. But if we let people get away with not sending their roles, then this plan does feel somewhat wasted.

At minimum, I feel like we should pressure those on the inactive end of the chain. At best, we should keep Root updated with our findings and suspicions.

On a side note, while there are 3 mafia and 3 people who haven't sent in their roles, I believe this is merely a coincidence. However, it is not out of the question that at least one of them is a hiding mafioso.
I'd argue that the 3 people that did not send their role are actually town. Mafia has no reason to attract suspicion by not sending the role. Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 23, 2019, 08:40:23 am
That is a fair argument. Even I said they are not necessarily mafia. My problem is if not all people cooperate, that wastes the full potential of the Phoenix plan.

However, I would also argue that it makes sense for the mafia to don't cooperate. We should not rule out the possibility that at least one of the non-senders is mafia, because an inactive mafioso is the hardest to find.

Heck, they could even just post "sent role" and not actually send it and we'd have no way of finding out.
This scenario would be suspicious though. I'm not the Ash, but this would warrant a vote from me if I noticed something like this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 23, 2019, 08:58:37 am
I thought everyone sending their roles was a forgone conclusion, so I didn't message.

But yeah, fine, sent my role yesterday
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 23, 2019, 09:19:57 am
However, I would also argue that it makes sense for the mafia to don't cooperate. We should not rule out the possibility that at least one of the non-senders is mafia, because an inactive mafioso is the hardest to find.
No, it makes 0 sense for them to not cooperate and attract suspicion. As mafia, you have no reason not to send a role (even if it's your real role or not).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 23, 2019, 02:19:57 pm
Though even if a mafioso did send in a fake role, there's a decent chance someone else sent in the same role. At the same time, it's also harder for Root to tell who has the real role...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 23, 2019, 02:21:38 pm
Though even if a mafioso did send in a fake role, there's a decent chance someone else sent in the same role. At the same time, it's also harder for Root to tell who has the real role...
There can be duplicate roles according to Linkcat. Two people with the same role does not mean one of them is mafia.

Reference: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1287975/#msg1287975
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 23, 2019, 06:43:05 pm
[10:53:07] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› So master
[10:53:18] ‹MasterWalks› ya
[10:53:25] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I think I know your secondary role
[10:53:34] ‹MasterWalks› oh?
[10:53:41] ‹MasterWalks› i bet you dont
[10:53:45] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› It can only be 2 things or you have placed too much trust in someone else
[10:54:02] ‹MasterWalks› but if you think you do pm me. you get one guess, and ill tell you if youre wrong or right
[10:54:52] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I don’t need your confirmation
[10:54:59] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› There’s no guesswork involved here
[10:55:12] ‹MasterWalks› i dont neeed your assumption
[10:55:20] ‹MasterWalks› cuz i bet 1k youre wrong
[10:55:31] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Lol
[10:57:05] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› 1k says JCJ dies tonight
[10:57:48] ‹MasterWalks› i will not be taking that bet.
[10:59:43] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› What if I told you a mafia is in chat right now
[10:59:58] ‹MasterWalks› sounds like you know a lotta info
[11:00:27] ‹MasterWalks› also, hearing how youve PM'd JCJ some information, it sounds like youve placed too much trust in someone
[11:01:04] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Oh you have much to learn
[11:01:18] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› That PM was a test for JCJ
[11:01:23] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Luckily for him he passed
[11:02:00] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› This convo needs to go in thread.
[11:02:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› It’s in rules.
[11:02:08] ‹MasterWalks› hmmm, i beg to differ.
[11:02:23] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› convo is not over yet. we will post it.
[11:02:36] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Good.
[11:04:37] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Crap
[11:04:40] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› When is deadline?
[11:04:52] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› I need to talk to someone beforehand in case I die tonight

For those who do not frequent blab, MinorPhoenix is shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 23, 2019, 07:16:31 pm
@Mafia Don't waste your time killing me tonight. I lied about using my schrodinger's cat ability night 0. I'm using it tonight. As an alternative I suggest you check out ian's lame face. I heard it's quite lame. You should check for yourself.

@ian You're going to regret turning down my offer. You think you can avoid me but I will battle you. I know you're afraid of me, but you will have to face me eventually. You can't hide forever. Give in before you waste all your precious energy that you'll need for our fight. I'll even ban dials to sweeten the deal.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 23, 2019, 08:03:14 pm
Do you want fries with that
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 23, 2019, 08:12:45 pm
@Mafia Don't waste your time killing me tonight. I lied about using my schrodinger's cat ability night 0. I'm using it tonight. As an alternative I suggest you check out ian's lame face. I heard it's quite lame. You should check for yourself.

@ian You're going to regret turning down my offer. You think you can avoid me but I will battle you. I know you're afraid of me, but you will have to face me eventually. You can't hide forever. Give in before you waste all your precious energy that you'll need for our fight. I'll even ban dials to sweeten the deal.

With as much of a threat you've been posing to town, i think you may want to @Town instead of @mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 23, 2019, 08:35:25 pm
Quote
Schrödinger’s Cat - OU
Dead and Alive - If you are killed during this Night or the next Day, you survive and your secondary role is revealed.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on April 24, 2019, 12:16:44 am
I am back.

I have sent my role to Ash.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 24, 2019, 07:34:09 am
Day 2

Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?

DoubleCapitals was Nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Golden Nymph.

Kuroaitou was Modkilled. He was an Elemental and a Psion.

Day 2 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 07:40:39 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian

DC voted on him, so I have reason to believe he knew something.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 24, 2019, 07:49:39 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - MasterWalks

He has lied to several of us in attempts to get information. While that is the name of the game, he doing it in a very scummy manner. If he's not working for mafia, hes also not working for the town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 07:58:26 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian

Same reasons as MW.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 08:03:01 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian

DC voted on him, so I have reason to believe he knew something.

Quote from: DoubleCapitals
[2019-04-20 12:41:04] Mobian: Why are you holding firm on me, DC?
[2019-04-20 12:45:44] DoubleCapitals: Day 1 lynch is so boring~
[2019-04-20 12:45:58] DoubleCapitals: I don't expect anyone to wagon you so, whatever

Taken from chat, this explains his reasoning for voting on me during Day 1, shortly thereafter changing his vote to shock.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 08:04:12 am
Nice try.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 08:33:04 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - shockcannon



You two are voting me because you don't like my play style and you're frustrated by my personality. Deep down you both know the truth though. I highly recommend you switch your vote to the real mafia though instead of acting so scared of my volatility.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 08:36:04 am
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - shockcannon



You two are voting me because you don't like my play style and you're frustrated by my personality. Deep down you both know the truth though. I highly recommend you switch your vote to the real mafia though instead of acting so scared of my volatility.

Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 08:55:51 am

Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.
[/quote]


I wanted to see what would happen if I PMed several different people my role, but gave each one of them a different answer and then implied a trust where we wouldn't share with others. Thanks for showing me who's really working together.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 08:57:25 am
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 24, 2019, 09:06:06 am
Golden nymph dying makes voting on his target a foregone conclusion. Mobian must die.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 09:08:48 am

Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.


I wanted to see what would happen if I PMed several different people my role, but gave each one of them a different answer and then implied a trust where we wouldn't share with others. Thanks for showing me who's really working together.
[/quote]

So, lemme get this straight... You wanted to see who you could trust by noisily spreading misinformation, and seeing who all would compare notes and realize you're just gathering intel without giving anything worthwhile in return? And those people who realized you were trying to play them were somehow.... wrong to do so?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 24, 2019, 09:25:11 am
Yeah, I'm with Mobian on this one.

Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (3) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 09:30:58 am
Surely lynching the noisy shock can wait one day in favour of getting new info by lynching Mobian, right? I'm pretty sure DC's chat reasoning was just him trying to conceal he's Golden Nymph, hoping we would get back to lynching Mobian at some point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 09:35:18 am
Surely lynching the noisy shock can wait one day in favour of getting new info by lynching Mobian, right? I'm pretty sure DC's chat reasoning was just him trying to conceal he's Golden Nymph, hoping we would get back to lynching Mobian at some point.

If that was the case, why did he change his vote? Why didn't he try to expose me, or leave a contingency plan in place? Sometimes, things are as they appear at face value.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 09:39:13 am
Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 09:44:14 am
Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.

I forgive you for allowing fear to cloud your judgement.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 24, 2019, 09:48:06 am
If we're basing this vote 100% off DC being Golden Nymph, then I disagree on bandwagoning onto him this early. If he is mafia, Root will for sure vote for him. As such, if Root doesn't vote for him, DC probably didn't tell Root he's mafia.
If we're voting for him on the basis of "DC was town then DC died so we're killing the person who DC voted for" then that's probably decent enough of a reason, considering the lack of information we have, but this kind of thinking won't fit for later days.


Still abstaining vote to protect the identity of Graboid for now
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 10:01:07 am
Either way, I'm willing to take the bet. To me, you're a dead man walking at this point.

I forgive you for allowing fear to cloud your judgement.
Fear of what? I'm making a valid assumption here, it's not like I rolled a die to lynch you.

If we're basing this vote 100% off DC being Golden Nymph, then I disagree on bandwagoning onto him this early. If he is mafia, Root will for sure vote for him. As such, if Root doesn't vote for him, DC probably didn't tell Root he's mafia.
If we're voting for him on the basis of "DC was town then DC died so we're killing the person who DC voted for" then that's probably decent enough of a reason, considering the lack of information we have, but this kind of thinking won't fit for later days.


Still abstaining vote to protect the identity of Graboid for now
Fair, Root can help.

I'm not sure I quite agree with the overall opinion in your statement though. So you're saying we shouldn't vote on him because a Golden Nymph did, but because a Town did? That's a weird statement if anything.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 10:08:25 am
You're ignoring half the picture because it doesn't suit the narrative you expect. You don't have any solid intel aside from the bored action of one person, who didn't even commit to said action. To you, truth is irrelevant, because you only see what you want, instead of what is.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 24, 2019, 10:18:59 am
While the chance that DC voted for Mobian because he found out Mobian was mafia N0 is significantly greater than it being a random vote (gathered from the fact that if Mobian is mafia, mafia probably has some informative role, or otherwise randomly voted for DC for some other reason, this stuff gets complicated and can be dealt with at a later date), there's still a great chance that DC's vote was truly random. I personally wouldn't mind voting for Mobian, but be prepared to change your votes if the circumstances change.
So I'm not necessarily saying "Don't vote for him because GN voted for him", I'm more saying that due to Root, we have the option of preferencing our votes based on who we think is mafia from tells, rather than who we think is mafia based on what roles were used. The former option sparks more discussion which can help in the long run, while the latter is more of a guideline if we don't think of anything.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on April 24, 2019, 10:45:33 am
I believe I'm allowed a blah post.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 24, 2019, 01:50:19 pm
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo

His actions speak for themselves...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 03:23:46 pm
I guess you guys really think mafia is stupid enough to spread lies to as many people as possible and so aggressively look for information on town? "No, but it's shockcannon!" Great reasoning. Whatever, not a big deal to me. I do have the requirement to help my team win, and whether or not you agree with this, I do share the opinion that any public information always helps town more than it helps mafia. As a result, I'm going to start sharing some info over the course of this day. I considered just sharing with someone I know is town but I've decided that just leaves people in the dark and causes unnecessary PMs and suspicion to occur.

Also, if any information I share is incorrect, that means that I've been lied to which would actually make you guys hypocrites.


shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 24, 2019, 04:00:00 pm
I guess you guys really think mafia is stupid enough to spread lies to as many people as possible and so aggressively look for information on town? "No, but it's shockcannon!" Great reasoning. Whatever, not a big deal to me. I do have the requirement to help my team win, and whether or not you agree with this, I do share the opinion that any public information always helps town more than it helps mafia. As a result, I'm going to start sharing some info over the course of this day. I considered just sharing with someone I know is town but I've decided that just leaves people in the dark and causes unnecessary PMs and suspicion to occur.

Also, if any information I share is incorrect, that means that I've been lied to which would actually make you guys hypocrites.


shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)



Quote

Lying to people isn't a terribly effective way to garner trust, Mr. Cannon. Being caught in the lies just makes you a fool.


I wanted to see what would happen if I PMed several different people my role, but gave each one of them a different answer and then implied a trust where we wouldn't share with others. Thanks for showing me who's really working together.
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (2) - MasterWalks, Mobian

If what you claim about Mobian is true, and you believe he is GA, why would you try to lynch him?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 04:03:40 pm
Guardian Angel isn't necessarily town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 04:03:56 pm
I will confirm GA. Shock is bluffing about my targets, however.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 24, 2019, 04:05:25 pm
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, shockcannon
shockcannon (5) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288123/#msg1288123

I am 100% ready to find out both of these are mafia playing a good bussing game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 04:07:10 pm
shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Coffeeditto - mind flayer (Naii night 0, Insig night 1)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 24, 2019, 04:07:53 pm
Is your defense mechanism just revealing what everyone told you?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 24, 2019, 04:09:09 pm
Even if it is, I doubt it helps your case...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 04:23:46 pm
My defense is that you should lynch me. But when you see I'm town, my info will gain credibility and mafia will have fewer places to hide because information is already out there.


The question is coffeeditto, what's your defense? Because I personally asked your opinion on InsignificantWeeaboo being mafia and you ignored that question multiple times and the one time you did answer you said he seemed like a quiet townie that we don't need to worry about. Seems like one mafia defending another mafia and trying to deflect attention. Additionally, believe it or not, I had not shared a single person's role that I had learned with anyone. The only thing I actually shared up until now was my own role with you and a fake role with MasterWalks. Yet somehow he finds out that I'm otyugh and that I lied to him. I talked to you night 0 and you were instantly willing to share your role with me and make a secret pact. Yet you freely gave out my role to master (or mobian who might be your mafia ally who then told master). I've talked to a lot of people and you're the only one so far who has actually openly shared info with me. Everyone else rightfully rejected my offer to exchange info because they're naturally suspicious. Yet you're all fine trusting me with your abilities and even sharing my ability with others. Then I go and vote up Insig and mobian and you instantly swap ships, voting me up also. We even agreed to keep this alliance secret and you were on board with me going with my crazy strategies to get information knowing that I was going to trust you no matter what. It appears you've slipped up though. Go ahead and give your excuses to save face. But when I die, let it be known to town that coffeeditto is mafia. I suspect Insig and mobian are also mafia but I know for a fact coffeeditto is mafia. You're lucky I thought I would survive another day. I was planning to eat you last night.


shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Coffeeditto - mind flayer (Naii night 0, Insig night 1)
InsignificantWeeaboo- fate egg
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 24, 2019, 04:27:20 pm
Can confirm. But seriously, this isn't helping your case.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 04:32:46 pm
My defense is that you should lynch me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 04:34:16 pm
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (5) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto
Coffeeditto (1) - shockcannon

Still think Mobian is mafia, but I'll go with the one I know for sure before I die.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 24, 2019, 05:41:02 pm
fwiw, at this point my main scum reads are Mobian, coffee, masterwalks, insig.

My question shock - how would using guardian angel find graboid?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 05:45:48 pm
I confirmed with Linkcat, if you have a role that can target another player and that player ends up being graboid or protected antlion, you will be notified that your ability failed. Even mind flayer would be notified if they targeted a graboid despite their role not actually providing them information back. This would seemingly apply to guardian angel also being notified if their target was untargetable.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 05:48:39 pm
Interesting application of my ability! Now I wish I thought of it!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 24, 2019, 06:07:30 pm
Well, if mobian has accepted shock's claim of his role, if mobian doesn't die very soon to nightkill he is almost certainly mafia.

Seriously think we should be lynching moe
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 24, 2019, 06:09:14 pm
well, actually i guess we can wait, if he is GA and town then mafia will NK him soon anyway, and he doesn't have a threatening enough ability in teh hands of mafia. probably shouldn't lynch him actually
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 06:11:02 pm
Well, if mobian has accepted shock's claim of his role, if mobian doesn't die very soon to nightkill he is almost certainly mafia.

Seriously think we should be lynching moe

Then place your vote.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: moehrpi on April 24, 2019, 06:44:23 pm
Well, if mobian has accepted shock's claim of his role, if mobian doesn't die very soon to nightkill he is almost certainly mafia.

Seriously think we should be lynching moe

What? I just have time starting today and am only lurking. :(
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 24, 2019, 07:11:32 pm
Oops, meant mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 24, 2019, 07:33:52 pm
At this point, my biggest worry is that we lost the Golden Nymph. If we have a Vulture who haven't turned into a Phoenix yet, I suggest to copy the Golden Nymph. The other roles are less useful on the long run.

If we don't have a Vulture, the Firefly and the Dragonfly have a lot of work to do. Dragonfly might not be in the game, but we know that Firefly is.



And then we have this whole thing with Mobian and shock. If I understand the situation correctly, shock is voted on, because he claimed different roles to various people, but then those people figured out that he was lying to everyone about his role. I missed the part how those people figured this out or if he lied about anything else. I would appreciate if someone cleared this up for me.

If nothing else, at least the information spilled by shock will be very useful to any Crusaders out there.

On the other hand, the post made by DC was awfully well-timed for me to ignore. Therefore, my vote goes to Mobian.

Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
shockcannon (5) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto
Coffeeditto (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 24, 2019, 07:52:13 pm
Finally someone sane around here.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 24, 2019, 10:35:31 pm
My defense is that you should lynch me. But when you see I'm town, my info will gain credibility and mafia will have fewer places to hide because information is already out there.


The question is coffeeditto, what's your defense? Because I personally asked your opinion on InsignificantWeeaboo being mafia and you ignored that question multiple times and the one time you did answer you said he seemed like a quiet townie that we don't need to worry about. Seems like one mafia defending another mafia and trying to deflect attention. Additionally, believe it or not, I had not shared a single person's role that I had learned with anyone. The only thing I actually shared up until now was my own role with you and a fake role with MasterWalks. Yet somehow he finds out that I'm otyugh and that I lied to him. I talked to you night 0 and you were instantly willing to share your role with me and make a secret pact. Yet you freely gave out my role to master (or mobian who might be your mafia ally who then told master). I've talked to a lot of people and you're the only one so far who has actually openly shared info with me. Everyone else rightfully rejected my offer to exchange info because they're naturally suspicious. Yet you're all fine trusting me with your abilities and even sharing my ability with others. Then I go and vote up Insig and mobian and you instantly swap ships, voting me up also. We even agreed to keep this alliance secret and you were on board with me going with my crazy strategies to get information knowing that I was going to trust you no matter what. It appears you've slipped up though. Go ahead and give your excuses to save face. But when I die, let it be known to town that coffeeditto is mafia. I suspect Insig and mobian are also mafia but I know for a fact coffeeditto is mafia. You're lucky I thought I would survive another day. I was planning to eat you last night.


shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Coffeeditto - mind flayer (Naii night 0, Insig night 1)
InsignificantWeeaboo- fate egg
The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us. There's no reason for that except trying to find alliances or reactions like you said, but you can't be the mastermind of the entire game. I think you're doing a wonderful job coming up with excuses but with your lies, you lost my trust. I am only supporting Mobian not being lynched right now because you are the alternative, other than myself. We'll see what happens when you flip and where the trust lies thereafter.

That being said, you had no reason to eat me last night because there was no discussion revealing my actual thoughts on you; either the eating comment is a weird flex or a blatant lie, because you said you trusted me up until I voted on you.

vote for warren 2020
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 24, 2019, 10:51:43 pm
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
shockcannon (6) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto, RootRanger
Coffeeditto (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 11:03:09 pm
shockcannon - otyugh (I have not attempted to use my role)
mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)
Coffeeditto - mind flayer (Naii night 0, Insig night 1)
InsignificantWeeaboo- fate egg
JCJ - graboid
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 11:09:07 pm
The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us.

Literally didn't lie to you. I'm otyugh like I told you at the end of our first conversation night 0. I EVEN TOLD YOU I was going to pretend like I had other roles to people. It's really too bad I'm not allowed to post all the PMs with you that I saved because you would be looking extremely suspect right now. I also knew you were mafia after you started ignoring questions about InsignificantWeeaboo. There's no reason to deflect attention on a player unless you're both mafia.

I know Root's voting for me now, but when I'm lynched and revealed as town 2 things will happen:

1.) You will realize how terrible of a plan it was to lynch Root
2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on April 24, 2019, 11:10:42 pm
For emphasis:

1.) You will realize how terrible of a plan it was to lynch Root
2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia


Don't forget point 2 when I'm dead.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 24, 2019, 11:14:08 pm
How, exactly, will your death prove that? The only thing your death will prove is your identity, and literally nothing else.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 25, 2019, 12:18:32 am
Claiming the roles of people is a massive detriment. Mafia gains more from the information than civs do. They have knowledge of primary roles, as well as knowledge of each other's roles. They innately have more information than us, as is the nature of the game, and yet you're openly willing to grant that information to mafia. It's hard to see you as a mafia, if you know roles then you can easily just keep them to yourself and not worry about telling town, and the fact that you're basically asking to die at this point, not something that I can see scum doing. That being said, for the love of everything, stop posting roles.





We should note that Root didn't vote Mobian. Considering the recent pages, it's hard to say if this is to get Shock out, or because DC didn't actually target Mobian. Mafia's kill on him is still suspicious, mind you, but it might not be for the reasons we initially thought. We'll see what happens in later days, at least
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 25, 2019, 12:33:08 am
[17:27:03] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Why’s this discussion about mafia in this chat not being posted on the thread
[17:27:49] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› are you Linkcat?
[17:27:56] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› No
[17:27:57] ‹Linkcat› Yes
[17:27:59] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Oh sorry
[17:28:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Nah the more recent one
[17:28:13] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› are you playing mafia?
[17:28:20] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Like the convo that started more than an hour ago
[17:28:35] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@MasterWalks› no
[17:28:43] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I don't have the chat history to copy the whole thing
[17:29:17] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Yh someone else should. Unless someone is trying to hide stuff.
[17:30:44] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Lets just pester Link to do it
[17:31:17] ‹serprex› Y'all need to get a discord channel & stop spamming blab
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 25, 2019, 12:37:52 am
[10:52:42] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Who’s role do I reveal next?
[10:52:57] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› JCJ, master, or dawn?
[11:04:03] ‹Mobian› Hurry up and finish self destructing so we can move on with our day
[11:11:33] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› It’s funny how everyone’s response to me is even more predictable than my actions
[11:12:19] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Noob mafia revealing themselves by jumping on the first opportunity to suspect shock
[11:12:55] ‹iancudorinmarian›
[11:13:23] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Complaining that shock will be predictable and make a big scene even as a townie and then when I do make a big scene play it off as, only a mafia would do that
[11:13:45] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› Easiest reads of my life. Next time mafia, try a little harder to conceal yourselves
[11:14:23] ‹Mobian› This chat is full of hot air again. -.-
[11:14:46] ‹TheonlyrealBeef› :fire ignite
[11:16:27] ‹MasterWalks› Is shock making his own plea deal? Lol
[11:18:05] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› When I die and I’m town you’ll realize you’ve been played
[11:18:17] ‹Guest-MinorPhoenix-cfa05› When that happens, make sure you hang coffee and insig
[11:49:41] ‹Mobian› Looks like everyone is waiting on root
[16:09:15] ‹Mobian› Well, I guess DC didn't feel I was mafia after all.
[16:11:36] ‹shockcannon› ooh WC
[16:11:38] ‹shockcannon› nice
[16:22:19] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› @Linkcat Can you tell Mobian that I’m not shock and to be respectful
[16:22:47] ‹shockcannon› ^yeah he's not shock *wink*
[16:23:22] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› ‹@shockcannon› by the way, I believe in you
[16:23:44] ‹shockcannon› lol I appreciate it
[16:23:46] ‹shockcannon› that makes 1
[16:23:50] ‹shockcannon› maybe serp so 2
[16:24:26] ‹shockcannon› wait are you talking about mafia or WC
[16:24:41] ‹shockcannon› because I really don't care about mafia
[16:25:02] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Both
[16:25:04] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› Not caring enough to post 19 times...
[16:25:21] ‹shockcannon› I dont care if people believe me
[16:25:49] ‹shockcannon› I just needed to get my info out so at the end of the game everyone will be like, "crap if we had just trusted shock we would've won in like 4 days"
[16:27:05] ‹MasterWalks› Hard to trust someone who lies to at least 4 different people and gets caught doing it
[16:27:20] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› ^
[16:27:29] ‹shockcannon› lol
[16:27:34] ‹shockcannon› I literally only lied to you
[16:27:50] ‹shockcannon› unless you count me claiming schrodinger cat in the thread but I thought that was an obvious troll post
[16:28:00] ‹MasterWalks› Your going to make me blush
[16:28:22] ‹shockcannon› everyone's acting like I've been lying to everyone
[16:28:29] ‹shockcannon› it's literally just masterwalks lol
[16:28:59] ‹shockcannon› I love how coffeeditto feels betrayed that I told him the truth while telling masterwalks a lie
[16:29:26] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› At the same time, how do we know you've only lied to MW?
[16:29:36] ‹shockcannon› okay
[16:29:36] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› You expect us to take your word for it?
[16:29:39] ‹shockcannon› lets start with you insig
[16:29:43] ‹shockcannon› when have I lied to you?
[16:29:52] ‹shockcannon› I asked you to rate how suspicious masterwalks was
[16:29:53] ‹shockcannon› that was it
[16:30:04] ‹shockcannon› and then I told you what he said about you when I asked him the same question
[16:30:11] ‹shockcannon› and that was actually truth, master can confirm it
[16:30:25] ‹shockcannon› I actually have all the PMs saved so I could confirm myself if that were allowed
[16:30:45] ‹shockcannon› now let's move on to mobian
[16:30:52] ‹shockcannon› I've NEVER PMed mobian once
[16:31:01] ‹shockcannon› I only stuff about him through masterwalks
[16:31:35] ‹shockcannon› Now lets move on to JCJ
[16:31:41] ‹shockcannon› he actually posted what I PM'ed
[16:31:57] ‹shockcannon› if any of you caught that you'll know I never made any claims
[16:32:37] ‹shockcannon› All I said in that PM was, "watch out for who jumps on the chance to vote for me after I ask a suspicious question about how GA works"
[16:32:58] ‹shockcannon› Moving on to coffeeditto: i told him I was otyugh. that's the truth
[16:33:28] ‹shockcannon› Moving on to playeroa: I asked him if he wanted to exchange info. he denied. that was the end of that
[16:33:31] ‹shockcannon› same thing with dawn
[16:33:33] ‹shockcannon› same thing with ian
[16:33:39] ‹shockcannon› that leaves only masterwalks that I lied to
[16:33:45] ‹shockcannon› but I enjoy the rumor spreading
[16:33:52] ‹shockcannon› makes it feel like people are afraid of me
[16:33:56] ‹shockcannon› :D
[16:34:05] ‹MasterWalks› Sounds like you lied to the wrong person
[16:34:26] ‹shockcannon› then the blood of an innocent town will be on your hands
[16:34:40] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› dude it's just a game
[16:34:59] ‹MasterWalks› I actually stated in my vote that you might not be mafia
[16:35:02] ‹shockcannon› and you think I'm taking this seriously?
[16:35:15] ‹MasterWalks› But you weren't working for the town.
[16:35:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› 19 posts and at least 90% of the chat screen consisting of you tells me otherwise
[16:35:43] ‹MasterWalks› And your big shpeel proves that
[16:35:52] ‹shockcannon› 90% of the chat is always me
[16:36:04] ‹shockcannon› I'm having an absolute blast right now
[16:37:03] ‹shockcannon› You can disagree but information always helps town
[16:37:25] ‹MasterWalks› In fact, this was one of the best lynches we could've done. We just got a crap ton of info if it's true, and we lynched someone who was being scummy with the rest of the town.
[16:37:48] ‹shockcannon› lol being scummy
[16:37:50] ‹shockcannon› I did you all of favor
[16:37:53] ‹MasterWalks› You being mafia would've just been a cherry on top
[16:38:04] ‹shockcannon› I cut the bullshit of beating around the bush and trying to figure out people's roles
[16:38:14] ‹shockcannon› I gave you all the roles and now all you have to do is use your deduction skills
[16:40:12] ‹shockcannon› The only reason you're getting a "crap ton of info" is because I was "being scummy"
[16:40:16] ‹shockcannon› how ironic
[16:42:56] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› yeah but you could have done it in a way that no one suspects you as mafia
[16:45:15] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo›
[16:45:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› What on earth is mafia turning into
[16:47:17] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› I dunno
[16:48:37] ‹MasterWalks› Is mafia not normally like this?
[16:49:29] ‹Linkcat› Not this early.
[16:51:17] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Shock you're an idiot
[16:51:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Omfw
[16:51:23] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm sorry
[16:53:42] ‹dawn_to_dusk› That one post made me legitimately mad
[16:54:10] ‹MasterWalks› The post where he ratted everyone out?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 25, 2019, 05:32:22 am
The whole reason I'm flipping onto you is because following my discussion with MasterWalks, we both realized that you had lied to both of us.

Literally didn't lie to you. I'm otyugh like I told you at the end of our first conversation night 0. I EVEN TOLD YOU I was going to pretend like I had other roles to people. It's really too bad I'm not allowed to post all the PMs with you that I saved because you would be looking extremely suspect right now. I also knew you were mafia after you started ignoring questions about InsignificantWeeaboo. There's no reason to deflect attention on a player unless you're both mafia.

I know Root's voting for me now, but when I'm lynched and revealed as town 2 things will happen:

1.) You will realize how terrible of a plan it was to lynch Root
2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
I don't like arguing for the sake of arguing, but I want to set the record straight.

I never ignored any questions about Insig; you asked twice and I said I read him as town the first time and wasn't sure the second time. Feel free to check your logs. There was a time when you asked me for my opinions on everyone and I failed to mention him, but user error; I forgot about him momentarily and then had to leave before we finished our conversation. I also by happenstance forgot to read DC, but you fail to mention that.

You initially said when talking with me that your alliance would be "with me and no one else". I don't care if your alliance was with other people or not, but you did lie right then and there. That's no reason to suspect you, but don't say you never lied. You communicated with others.

Upon talking with MasterWalks, you told me that he believed Mobian and Insig were mafia but he imnmediately cleared that up and said he didn't. Why lie?

I have no idea what your goal was with sharing all of this misinformation but enough lines have been crossed to cement my thoughts for now.

I'm sorry if you're taking any of this personally, by the way. I don't like to be overly aggressive ever.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 25, 2019, 06:15:43 am
Mobian (1) - Submachine
shockcannon (7) - MasterWalks, Mobian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
Coffeeditto (1) - shockcannon

I guess Root knows more than I do at this point. If shock actually proves to be mafia, it might mean that DC voted on Mobian on a hunch after all and switched to shock after because he knew shock is the real mafia.

Either way, I'm still keeping an eye on you, Mobian.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 25, 2019, 06:19:28 am
And yeah, I agree with dawn, revealing roles was a terrible mistake.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 26, 2019, 07:13:57 am
Night 2

Out of the doorway, the bullets rip.

shockcannon was lynched. He was an Elemental and an Otyugh.

Night 2 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 26, 2019, 07:34:14 am
All lore has been updated.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 26, 2019, 07:40:57 am
So that taught us that Root's hunch is as good as any other's as this point, as the golden nymph is dead.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 26, 2019, 10:07:12 am
Yo, this happens every time. New mafia players just don't understand
a) not to associate annoyances you have with a way a player is playing with the person (except in cases where you get 60 private messages in 2 weeks from submachine :P )
b) if people are getting angry at you for the way you are playing THEY ARE NOT ANGRY AT YOU AND YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

Jesus it's a game of suspicion, false information and literally voting to kill someone each day. OFCOURSE YOU WON'T LIKE BEING LYNCHED.

FWIW, I actually quite enjoyed some of the way shock was playing, and i didn't get a mafia vibe from him. But it's well established that all lyers must die so nevermind, onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 26, 2019, 10:10:48 am
FWIW, I actually quite enjoyed some of the way shock was playing, and i didn't get a mafia vibe from him. But it's well established that all lyers must die so nevermind, onwards and upwards.
Qft.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 26, 2019, 10:13:03 am
at least he was proactive and not just sit and wait to die lol
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 26, 2019, 11:28:33 am
a) not to associate annoyances you have with a way a player is playing with the person (except in cases where
If you insist on bringing up something that happened six years ago and only once, then maybe you are not the best person to tell us to not keep annoyances. :silly: It's not an exception, get over this too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 26, 2019, 11:58:06 am
The fact that that happened four entire years ago and we're all still around to meme about it is mind-boggling to me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 26, 2019, 12:00:23 pm
EBWOP: I agree though. What happens in Mafia n should stay in Mafia n. (n is the number of the mafia game.)

Let's focus on what we can now. I still don't fully understand the full picture of shock's actions, because I didn't get clarification when I asked for one. I will work with assumptions until I get more answers.

If I understand the situation correctly, shock is voted on, because he claimed different roles to various people, but then those people figured out that he was lying to everyone about his role. I missed the part how those people figured this out or if he lied about anything else. I would appreciate if someone cleared this up for me.

So, now that we know he was a Town Otyugh, we can start making connections. He called out a handful of names by role, including Mobian, Coffee, Insig and JCJ. He also grew an adamant suspicion of Coffee towards the end of the day phase. His reasoning started in this post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288244/#msg1288244).

Also, Linkcat is a ninja, so this isn't really EBWOP any more. ^^"
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 26, 2019, 01:04:13 pm
I'm only teasing sub :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 26, 2019, 02:57:57 pm
I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 26, 2019, 05:33:48 pm
I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.

Theory 2 is correct.
I was very very suspicious of you. Just like you said, people try to form alliances with people they know. I approached you in an attempt to do so. You gave me short responses and revealed a fairly neutral role (a role that at the time i thought was somewhat useless, now i see thats not true) so i was wary. I jumped to conclusions and figured you mafia, still in question about it tbh. So, shock approached me with attempts to trade intel. I agreed, since i have spoke to shock in the past. He asked me how suspicious i was of you, i said pretty suspicious. **So we trade some intel** then YOU pm me telling me shock asked you the same question, only about me. Thats red flag #1. Im already suspicious of you then shock goes and talks to you, i figured he was going to try to set us up or he was mafia working with you. So i give shock some truth and some lie, i tell him i thought insig and mobian were mafia. shock then tells coffee that. coffee tells mobian. mobian bring it back to me. full circle. Red Flag #2. At this point i have 0 trust in shock. coffee and i cross check roles shock sent us and realized he lied to one of us if not both. So i pact together coffee, you, mobian, and we all pm ash telling him the whole story. Now we are here.

** The intel traded was mobians role. mobian was already super duper sketched about shock and was wary of forming an alliance with him. I talked mobian into it and built trust around shock. Mobian gave me permission to trade his role in exchange for shocks. shock then destroys that trust built and cue mobians rampage. He was upset he thought he could trust shock and shock proved untrustworthy. Not to mention shock threw like 5 people under the bus.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 26, 2019, 05:53:10 pm
to add to this, why would coffee tell mobian what i told shock? mobian and coffee have never spoke before, not even outside the mafia game. The only conclusion i can come to is coffee is trying to stir the pot without realizing mobian would share it with me. I am going to give shock one lost ounce of trust and trust coffee may be mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on April 26, 2019, 05:57:05 pm
Obligatory post, making sure I am not modkilled.

No comments so far.

I'm no better at this game than I was before q.q
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 26, 2019, 06:35:12 pm
For now this is a no-modkill post.

I haven't had a chance to read most of last day phase yet, and would like more info before making any decisions about voting during the next day phase. Hopefully I can find more time tomorrow after work though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 26, 2019, 10:19:18 pm
I do have a theory going off of the info shock gave us:

On Night 0, I told MW I was Fate Egg. On Night 1, Coffee targeted me. This leaves me to believe 3 things:

1) MW and Coffee were allies, and Coffee was informed of my role by him.
2) MW told shock my role, who in turn told Coffee.
3) MW and Coffee are part of the Mafia, and and Coffee was informed of my role by him.

Fate Egg can potentially be dangerous to both sides, since it has access to many other important roles that can either help Town or harm Town (GA, Vulture, Toadfish, etc.). Coffee, knowing the risk of this role, probably targeted me to prevent anything too troublesome from happening. However, his motives for this are unknown. Normally this wouldn't be too alarming, since this could be a lucky guess. But it's still kind of strange that he targeted me the night after I revealed my role to MW.

I feel like Scenario #3 would be the best guess. Usually, you want to form alliances with people you know. Prior to this Mafia, MW and Coffee never spoke to each other (As far as I know.) And shock never mentioned once that he leaked his info to others prior to Day 2.

This could just be a coincidence, but I think shock had a good reason to suspect Coffee.

4) Coffee had no idea you were fate egg but was instructed by shock to block you.

At the time, I wasn't wary of shock and he asked me to block you because we had a pseudo-alliance beforehand. From my point of view, you are as likely to be mafia as any other 3 players on here. I apologize for not a) changing after the scuffle and b) blindly following shock. I wasn't aware of your role, and my decision was not based like this. I wanted to speak with Master because shock said out of nowhere "so I hear you've been talking with MasterWalks" who I had not contacted once all game prior. My suspicion doesn't lie upon you because this is all hunches that came to life after the shock muck-up-the-game story arc; I understand where you're coming from.

to add to this, why would coffee tell mobian what i told shock? mobian and coffee have never spoke before, not even outside the mafia game. The only conclusion i can come to is coffee is trying to stir the pot without realizing mobian would share it with me. I am going to give shock one lost ounce of trust and trust coffee may be mafia.
Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.

Now, here's the coup de grace for this one. You told me GA (purportedly Mobian) protected you N0 via PM.

mobian - guardian angel (has supposedly targeted me and JCJ with the intent of looking for the graboid)

What's going on here? Mobian either slipped or lied to one of you. @Mobian: what's the point of telling people that you had different targets than you actually did?

Finally, to wrap all of this up, I'm going to leave this line here.

2.) You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 26, 2019, 10:33:48 pm
Mobian and I, like shock, thought it may be a good idea to form an early alliance because we had nothing to work off of. He told me he was guardian angel and shock confirmed it (or maybe not, Mobian could have lied to him too). Why would I tell shock what anyone told me, either? I never spoke with him before, not even outside the mafia game.

Wanna elaborate on when this "alliance" with you and mobi took place? Did your "alliance" have more to it other than a single message and possible response?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 26, 2019, 10:42:35 pm
Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 26, 2019, 10:45:59 pm
Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.

Trust
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 26, 2019, 10:48:17 pm
Yes, towards the beginning of day 1 he messaged me asking me why I thought there wasn't a mafia kill. I guessed graboid/antlion/ga and after further discussion we built a trust. Wanna elaborate on why you and mobian were comfortable sharing what I said to either of you seperately with each other? Or with him sharing his role with you sometime around night 0/day 1? You said you knew who GA was way back then.

Trust
same
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 26, 2019, 10:57:16 pm
Guess we should spend the night wisely to gather as much information as possible, please help me complete this list/correct me if my thoughts are wrong, which they very well might be

Vulture - time to avenge DC. Hit that golden nymph!
Firefly - it is firefly night again, but unfortunately it's more or less all RNG at this stage. I'd say hit a new group of players to create an information base - although we can hit a mafia, what's probably even better is the chance of getting confirmed townies in lategame
Dragonfly - maybe peek at someone to confirm/deny the alliances? Either that or looking at someone with a roleclaim, kinda like the psion would. Might get some extremely important pieces of the jigsaw here, and I'm sure uncovering the truth about all this PM madness would be a huge step in the right direction

Keep in mind Root will need all this information for what it's worth, so be sure to keep him updated with as many details as possible.

tldr: Damn it sucks to have lost the Psion.
tldr2: This may or may not be like the most obvious post ever but it's time to get some reliable knowledge
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 26, 2019, 11:47:06 pm
@Mobian: what's the point of telling people that you had different targets than you actually did?

I didn't. Shock lied about my targets to stir the pot.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 26, 2019, 11:48:53 pm
Why did you not say that until now?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 26, 2019, 11:59:03 pm
I lied to shock about targets as he had lost my trust by that point
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 27, 2019, 12:29:58 am
[15:22:10] ‹MasterWalks› ya i see. thats brutal.
[15:24:58] ‹Coffeeditto› brutal?
[15:26:26] ‹MasterWalks› yea brutal. Now mafia knows i was GA'd already
[15:26:34] ‹MasterWalks› coup de grace is perfect wording tbh
[15:27:23] ‹Coffeeditto› the point is
[15:27:27] ‹Coffeeditto› you may not have been ga'd
[15:27:42] ‹Coffeeditto› because mobian told you and shock 2 different things
[15:28:12] ‹MasterWalks› it doesnt matter much. mafia already knew after i told you
[15:31:18] ‹PlayerOa› TL;DR: mafia had no nightkill the first night because they supposedly went for MW, which then was saved by GA? Have I understood what you're saying?
[15:32:54] ‹MasterWalks› they couldve still went for graboid
[15:33:38] ‹PlayerOa› fair enough
[15:36:54] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› how did they already know after you told me?
[15:37:55] ‹MasterWalks› Know what?
[15:39:37] ‹MasterWalks› know what you told mobian?
[15:43:07] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› no, why mafia "already knew after [you] told [me]".
[15:48:34] ‹Coffeeditto› content
[15:52:52] ‹Guest-Deathstalker-4afa1› Lol mafia trying to kill a newbie first night? LOL
[15:53:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› Yea cuz youre mafia. so by me telling you mafia knows
[15:55:23] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@MasterWalks› why am I now mafia in your head? what is your leading suspicion
[15:55:50] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@Coffeeditto› shocks dying breath and your quote on it.
[15:56:20] ‹MasterWalks› granted, i believed you to be mafia more than before you made that post
[15:57:28] ‹Coffeeditto› so you're not open to the alternative idea that the most estranged and oddly playing town member was incorrect on his tells?
[15:57:31] ‹MasterWalks› you telling mobian what was said made me believe you were just trying to stir the pot and get town to lynch town. But now that i know you had discussions with mobian before hand, its makes a bit mroe sense
[15:58:01] ‹Coffeeditto› why would what I said make the town lynch town?
[15:58:27] ‹Coffeeditto› and furthermore, my quote of shock was to show that Insig and I are both mafia according to shock
[16:02:04] ‹MasterWalks› Town lynch Town? Cuz its a free kill without having to NK.
[16:02:30] ‹MasterWalks› Shock gathered an insane amount of intel before dying. Some of what he says may be truth
[16:02:47] ‹Coffeeditto› sorry, my question was phrased awkwardly
[16:03:11] ‹Coffeeditto› in what way would the stuff that I said incite a town member to lynch another town member?
[16:03:45] ‹Coffeeditto› if that's what really what was going to happen, I wouldn't have said it but my impression was that I was sharing info with my pact mate, like you did too
[16:04:02] ‹Coffeeditto› I guess the only reason I'm mafia is because you're not even though you're doing the same things
[16:04:17] ‹MasterWalks› everything changed when you said you had an alliance with mobian
[16:04:23] ‹Coffeeditto› I still don't mafia read you but I don't support your train of thought or follow your logic
[16:06:51] ‹MasterWalks› this is my first time playing mafia or even hearing about it. I know if i was mafia, i would try to incite infighting. If this is a viable strategy or not, i have no idea. Most of my logic comes at face value or conspiracy theories
[16:07:32] ‹Linkcat› It's fun watching you play for the first time.
[16:08:27] ‹MasterWalks› lol thanks. Am i good at it?
[16:08:58] ‹Coffeeditto› he can't comment on that
[16:09:07] ‹Coffeeditto› it would possibly reveal too much
[16:09:12] ‹MasterWalks› oh. makes sense
[16:09:17] ‹Coffeeditto› but I would say you're pushing in all the right ways
[16:09:31] ‹Coffeeditto› just got the wrong person ;)
[16:09:38] ‹Coffeeditto› alright back to hating each other
[16:10:18] ‹MasterWalks› Oh well thanks.
[16:10:28] ‹MasterWalks› nice to hear a mafia compliment a townie
[16:10:39] ‹Coffeeditto› weird flex
[16:10:43] ‹MasterWalks› equality is alive and well in the etg community
[16:13:13] ‹Coffeeditto› arguable
[16:13:15] ‹Linkcat› ‹@MasterWalks› Obviously you're a master.
[16:13:20] ‹Coffeeditto› nothing is alive in the etg community
[16:13:48] ‹MasterWalks› oof
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 27, 2019, 02:45:29 am
Why did you not say that until now?

I said it back when shock revealed my secondary.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 27, 2019, 02:47:02 am
I will confirm GA. Shock is bluffing about my targets, however.
damn, paint me wrong
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 27, 2019, 11:04:42 am
@Firefly, target InsignificantWeaboo, Coffeeditto and MasterWalks.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 27, 2019, 11:09:08 am
Oh, and Mobian, protect yourself this night, as I'm pretty sure if you are towny as you say, you'll most likely get killed tonight.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 27, 2019, 05:49:19 pm
Oh, and Mobian, protect yourself this night, as I'm pretty sure if you are towny as you say, you'll most likely get killed tonight.

Oh yeah, not taking that chance.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 27, 2019, 05:50:17 pm
@Firefly, target InsignificantWeaboo, Coffeeditto and MasterWalks.

I hope we actually DO have a firefly, and it wasn't just a fate egg random....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 27, 2019, 10:12:52 pm
@Firefly, target InsignificantWeaboo, Coffeeditto and MasterWalks.

I hope we actually DO have a firefly, and it wasn't just a fate egg random....

Nah, but DRAGONFLY was a Fate Egg random.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 28, 2019, 07:02:16 am
Day 3

To the sound of the beat.

MasterWalks was Nightkilled. He was an Elemental and an Iridium Warden.

Day 3 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on April 28, 2019, 07:08:53 am
Most fun i've had on the forums yet. Thanks Linkcat and everyone else!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 07:11:05 am
That was unexpected. And it seems like firefly didn't work. I can only guess that weaboo and coffee are actually mafia and didn't want to take the risk to be revealed. One of them either convinced MW to use his role or insig had a lucky fate egg roll.

Or firefly is nub and did not use its ability.

Or firefly was blocked.

I dunno.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 28, 2019, 07:18:58 am
Chat that I wouldn't mind highlighting

[2019-04-27 10:42:33] MasterWalks: So coffee put a death sentence on me. I will reveal what i have learned with my ability about an hour before night is over. Unlike shock, I will not be role revealing other people tho.
[2019-04-27 10:47:05] Coffeeditto: dude
[2019-04-27 10:47:07] Coffeeditto: literally not
[2019-04-27 10:47:15] Coffeeditto: you can be protected by GA
[2019-04-27 10:47:35] dawn_to_dusk: "This ability fails if the target was protected by a Guardian Angel on the previous Night."
[2019-04-27 10:47:47] MasterWalks: oh wait... it only works on previous night?
[2019-04-27 10:48:19] MasterWalks: oh pfft i aint telling yall nothin then
[2019-04-27 10:51:58] Coffeeditto: great
[2019-04-27 10:52:00] Coffeeditto: thank you
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 28, 2019, 07:20:06 am
That excerpt was a part of a discussion already posted here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288358/#msg1288358), I just want to highlight it again
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 28, 2019, 08:09:12 am
Very interesting, either we need to go back and work out who MW pissed off, or maf are really scared of angel so are targettin people they know arent gonna be protected.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 05:39:40 pm
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 28, 2019, 06:26:27 pm
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.

That intel would have been made public like it was in D1. It's possible the Firefly may be MIA....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 06:30:08 pm
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.

That intel would have been made public like it was in D1. It's possible the Firefly may be MIA....
It wouldn't. Read the ability, it doesn't always work, it has some conditions.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 28, 2019, 06:36:58 pm
Very interesting, either we need to go back and work out who MW pissed off, or maf are really scared of angel so are targettin people they know arent gonna be protected.

Yeah, this really blows. MW could have kept me alive while waiting for angelosis to wear off. The next night is gonna be rough.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 28, 2019, 06:43:51 pm
I actually still think you are mafia mobian.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 28, 2019, 06:58:26 pm
on mobile, what is the current count of town vs mafia?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 07:01:19 pm
on mobile, what is the current count of town vs mafia?
7 town, 3 mafia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 28, 2019, 08:05:05 pm
@Firefly PM me if you targeted the people I requested. I need this information to put the puzzle pieces together.
I may have missed something. Is ian confirmed Town?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 08:13:19 pm
No, but I seem to be the only one trying to do something.

Whether you trust me or not, that's another story.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 28, 2019, 08:16:44 pm
And by the way, it doesn't have to be firefly itself. Me getting that information through someone else is fine too. I'm not trying to make anyone roleclaim, I just want to see if I can figure some stuff out.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 28, 2019, 08:46:24 pm
This is what we know about the alive players so far:
(Fill in the blanks if you have privately gathered knowledge.~)

1. JonathanCrazyJ - Shock claimed Graboid, can't find confirmation
2. InsignificantWeeaboo - Shock claimed Fate Egg, Insig confirmed
4. dawn to dusk
5. Coffeeditto - Shock claimed Mind Flayer, can't find confirmation
8. iancudorinmarian
9. Submachine
11. Naii_the_Baf
12. Mobian - Shock claimed Guardian Angel, Mobian confirmed
13. PlayerOa
14. mathman101

Existing unassigned role: Firefly.

This is for statistical purposes only. This doesn't help us determine who's mafia or not.

To start a conversation about suspicions, I voted on Mobian last day because I assumed Golden DC checked him on Night 0. But then Root didn't confirm this with his vote, so this clue is cold. Possibilities:

I would also like to help with the Firefly case. Since Insig denied to have ever become a Firefly, I can only think of the following scenarios:

@ian: I just wanted to know if you were confirmed, because then we could have one more person to share plans with. At this point, it is enough if the Firefly trusts you.

So now I wonder if we have a new Golden Nymph, turned from a Vulture or a Crusader. That would help us a lot on the long run. ^^
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 28, 2019, 08:50:56 pm
EBWOP:
Requirement: "if at least two of them survive the Night and the ability resolves on all living targets."
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 28, 2019, 11:55:24 pm
Here's my Fate Egg log:

Night 0: Crusader, didn't use since no confirmed roles to copy.
Night 1: Dragonfly, was blocked by Coffee.
Night 2: Psion, blocked by someone, I think Coffee.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on April 29, 2019, 04:24:06 am
Coffeeditto (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on April 29, 2019, 04:51:43 am

Coffeeditto (2) - RootRanger, mathman101

Gonna trust Root got reliable info here for this choice.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 29, 2019, 07:12:36 am
Will add some explainations a bit later, on mobile atm.

Add my vote on coffee please.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 29, 2019, 07:22:43 am

Coffeeditto (3) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 29, 2019, 07:31:32 am
Firefly confirmed that its targets were indeed the 3 people I requested.

So I've looked through the roles, and firefly wouldn't have worked is a warden, possibly masterwalks, targeted either insig or weaboo. The other thing could be that coffee is an antlion. (he can't be graboid, since he voted)

But shock said he's mind flayer. None of this makes any sense. It could be that MW targeted insig and coffee the firefly. Or MW the firefly and coffee insig.

I think MW targeted insig in an attempt to gain more information, but that's just a hunch.

Either way, coffee is our best bet at the moment.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 29, 2019, 10:16:31 am
Coffeeditto (3) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 29, 2019, 10:44:35 am
Coffeeditto (5) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on April 29, 2019, 11:31:23 am
Coffeeditto (6) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 29, 2019, 01:40:25 pm
Coffeeditto (7) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 29, 2019, 02:59:45 pm
either insig or weaboo.
I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on April 29, 2019, 03:16:00 pm
either insig or weaboo.
I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Right xD
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 29, 2019, 03:57:09 pm
either insig or weaboo.
I only now noticed this. x) It was meant to be Insig or Coffee.
Right xD
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I'm actually two kids on top of each other wearing a large trench coat and a hat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on April 30, 2019, 04:13:47 am
Sure, I'll bite.

Coffeeditto (8) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto

This is optimal win condition anyway; we can afford to mislynch me and gain more info tomorrow night. I'm not very useful as a town flayer anyway unless the mafia has a killing secondary ability or something of the likes. If this is what it takes, let's go for it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on April 30, 2019, 05:14:51 am
Sure, I'll bite.

Coffeeditto (8) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto

This is optimal win condition anyway; we can afford to mislynch me and gain more info tomorrow night. I'm not very useful as a town flayer anyway unless the mafia has a killing secondary ability or something of the likes. If this is what it takes, let's go for it.
So without revealing evidence that can hinder people's games (aka role claiming), what evidence can you put forward, and what suspicions do you have, that can help town
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on April 30, 2019, 07:34:29 am
Will the following lore be the title of the song?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 30, 2019, 10:55:21 am
Sure, I'll bite.

Coffeeditto (8) - RootRanger, mathman101, iancudorinmarian, Submachine, PlayerOa, Mobian, InsignificantWeeaboo, Coffeeditto

This is optimal win condition anyway; we can afford to mislynch me and gain more info tomorrow night. I'm not very useful as a town flayer anyway unless the mafia has a killing secondary ability or something of the likes. If this is what it takes, let's go for it.

Excellent, in your opinion, what can we learn from your death? Who do you suspect and why?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on April 30, 2019, 08:38:34 pm
Night 3

Another one bites the dust.

Coffeeditto was lynched. He was a False God and a Mind Flayer.

Late update because so little happened on Day 3 that I thought it was still going on.

Night 3 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 30, 2019, 08:40:30 pm
good stuff
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on April 30, 2019, 08:43:10 pm
You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia

Guess we know our next target...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 30, 2019, 08:44:20 pm
I may have something to say in that regard after the night
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on April 30, 2019, 09:40:25 pm
You will know that Coffeeditto and InsignificantWeeaboo are mafia

Guess we know our next target...

Yeah, and it's NOT me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 02, 2019, 10:06:00 pm
Day 4

Another one bites the dust.

dawn to dusk was Nightkilled. He was an Elemental and a Vulture and also a Golden Nymph.

Day 4 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 02, 2019, 11:45:25 pm
There goes our second chance.

I'm willing to bet mafia has an information source, probably a role.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 02, 2019, 11:47:22 pm
There goes our second chance.

I'm willing to bet mafia has an information source, probably a role.
Speaking of which, I rolled Iridium Warden this time. Won't say who I targeted and what role they have yet.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 03, 2019, 04:59:23 am
I would like to hear what JCJ has to say before I cast my vote.

I may have something to say in that regard after the night
No Firefly either, hmm.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 03, 2019, 05:22:42 am
Firefly is EoR, so firefly this night was not a possibility.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 03, 2019, 05:43:33 am
It did not activate last night either, so tonight was a free use for Firefly though.

Quote
Secondary Roles

[...] If an EoR ability fails, you may use it again on the next Night.
This fits into my theory, that's why I'm going with it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 03, 2019, 06:16:27 am
I have nothing to say my hope for information backfired.

My scum reads are still mobian, mathman and insig
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 03, 2019, 07:14:51 am
I think we should refrain from killing the guardian angel. If somehow they are town, we might benefit from some lucky protection.

We can always lynch Mobian later. Shock was right about coffee, so might as well go with our only lead. (Unless Root has any better ideas, assuming he got info from dawn)

InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - iancudorinmarian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 03, 2019, 07:54:41 am
After Coffee flipped maffia, that was my conclusion too. I haven't said anything about it during the night to avoid getting sniped.

InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine

Too many things have not made sense so far, which could be explained if we assume that the Fate Egg became different roles than what were claimed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 03, 2019, 09:21:14 am
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

Firefly prevented twice now. Something's very wrong about this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 03, 2019, 10:20:10 am
Uh, no. It would be incredibly stupid of me to do something like that if I were mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 03, 2019, 01:37:59 pm
Uh, no. It would be incredibly stupid of me to do something like that if I were mafia.

I would agree. Let's all take a chill pill and piece this together.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 03, 2019, 01:40:40 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

Firefly prevented twice now. Something's very wrong about this.

Do we even know who the FF is? For all I know, we could have a second Fate Egg in play, and the FF ability we say trigger earlier was a result of that.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 03, 2019, 01:51:25 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

Firefly prevented twice now. Something's very wrong about this.

Do we even know who the FF is? For all I know, we could have a second Fate Egg in play, and the FF ability we say trigger earlier was a result of that.

*saw, EBWOP
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 03, 2019, 09:37:01 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 03, 2019, 11:24:53 pm
Shock was right about coffee, so might as well go with our only lead. (Unless Root has any better ideas, assuming he got info from dawn)

I suspect Insig and mobian are also mafia but I know for a fact coffeeditto is mafia.

Sure, it's our only lead but it's still unreliable. The only person he could guarantee was Mafia was Coffee. Whether or not shock being right about Coffee was a coincidence or an educated guess is debatable. But notice the word in bold describing Mobi and I's condition as either a civ or a mafia. This implies that there isn't enough evidence to confirm either of us as Mafia. Another reason that this lead is unreliable? Shock also suspected MW as Mafia, and he turned out to be a Civilian.

No one is right all the time. This is just another example of this.

Also, it's been established that Root's vote is just as decisive as any other person's vote. How can we tell lynching me isn't going to be another case of that?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 03, 2019, 11:33:04 pm
tldr: Damn it sucks to have lost the Psion.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 04, 2019, 01:09:22 pm

InsignificantWeeaboo (4) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

Root is the shepard, and I am but a sheep.  :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 04, 2019, 04:23:50 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101, Mobian
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

No point going against the pack at this point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 04, 2019, 04:35:29 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101, Mobian
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

No point going against the pack at this point.

Who would you vote for if you did want to go against the pack?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 04, 2019, 04:44:15 pm
InsignificantWeeaboo (5) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, RootRanger, mathman101, Mobian
iancudorinmarian (1) - PlayerOa

No point going against the pack at this point.

Who would you vote for if you did want to go against the pack?


Naii has been super quiet. It kinda bothers me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 04, 2019, 05:41:13 pm
True. Naii, what are your scum reads at this point?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 04, 2019, 10:30:31 pm
Night 4

And another one gone

InsignificantWeeaboo was lynched. He was an Elemental and a Fate Egg and also a Vulture.

I forgot to give him his role at the start of the day again so I rolled it just now. He was only two spots away from getting Phoenix.

Night 4 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 04, 2019, 11:06:09 pm
You dun goofed, shock
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 06, 2019, 10:09:17 pm
Day 5

And another one gone

JonathanCrazyJ was Nightkilled. He was an Elemental and an Antlion.

A Firefly has revealed a False God.

Day 5 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 06, 2019, 10:11:05 pm
I was so sure he was graboid.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 06, 2019, 10:46:11 pm
I was so sure he was graboid.

Me too....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 07, 2019, 03:53:45 am
Since we are at the point of do or die, I am gonna share my role and all the info I have gathered so far in the hopes we can all compile the info gathered to find a mafia today and try to stop the loss at the end of today.


Ok, if i have counted right we currently have 6 people alive; 2 of which are mafia and 4 are civilians.
Currently alive: iancu, Sub, Naii, Mobi, Oa, and math

If we lynch a civ tonight we are down to 3C - 2M, and then a nightkill would make it 2C - 2M forcing a civ loss due to parity. Today we must lynch a mafia (or hope there is still some type of protection from the nightkill) to avoid losing to the mafia.


I am the Dragonfly, and have used my ability every night possible to search out as much info as possible and last night I believe I hit the gold mine I was looking for.

Night 0 - JCJ, and the ability failed.
Knowing now that jcj was antlion I would assume he had used his ability to burrow and protect himself that first night. Up until his death I had assumed he was grabboid.

Night 1 - iancu, iancu visited JCJ
I think iancu commented somewhere that jcj wasn't targetable(i can't find the quote otherwise I would add it in, sorry), and that solidified my assumption that jcj is probably grabboid and not antlion as he couldn't use the ability 2 rounds in a row.

Night 2 - coffeeditto, and the ability failed.
As requested by Oa's comment here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288353/#msg1288353) I had targeted one of the 3 suspected players. But since it failed my guess was that maybe the mindflayer or the warden targeted me, but still a little unsure of that.

Night 3 - Submachine, Sub visited Oa
I wasn't sure at this point (and still unsure) what this info could do for me. partially didn't dig into it more though due to RL time limitations during that day/night phase.

Night 4 - PlayerOa, he visited iancu, Sub, and mathman
After looking through the roles again I realized that firefly is the only one able to target 3 players at once. From this deduction Oa is either a firefly(the more likely scenario) or he is a fate egg that gained firefly(possible, but less likely, especially since weeby already rolled up as a fate egg).

This means that one of the 3 targets that firefly targeted(iancu. Sub, or mathman) is a mafia.

For those that are still alive here is a rough scum read that I am currently feeling:
(really civy > partially civy > neutral > partially scummy > really scummy)
(order listed by sign-up list order)
Iancu - he gave me an odd feeling at the start of the game and it hasn't fully gone away. This previous nights info has pushed him from neutral with a hairline scummy read to a partially scummy read.
Sub - he has given more of a neutral feeling, but has had a few sparks of scumminess. He has pm'd me at least once to notify me that i am not posting enough and should post more to avoid modkill. While I do appreciate it, i knew and stated when signing up that RL takes precedence and that i may not be posting lots during this game, and have been checking enough to make sure I am not modkilled. Now he may be pm'ing me as a mafia to post more so that they have more to use against me, or as a civy to get more reads and possible info for finding the mafia. this is why i am leaning neutral and not scum-ish or civ-ish.
Naii - hard to read here due to the low amount of posting. he has posted a total of 5 times in this thread, 4 plus the sign-up post. I know he has stated he is busy with RL and that he has skimmed over what is being said from time to time. But with the low content while I want to go neutral I feel that I should go partial scum due to the lack of content and assistance here.
Mobi - he has had some good plays overall, and has also made some bad accusations on now dead players that we know to be civ. for this I lean towards the partially scum side.
Oa - I wasn't fully sure on Oa, and since learning that he is firefly I have tried looking at the different strategies behind his most recent target pack whether he was or wasn't a mafia. I couldn't find a good reason for a mafia firefly to target a fellow mafia member unless he was trying to throw off our scent should there be another info role out there (but this seemed like a long shot). More likely I figured that Firefly as a civy would be targeting rotating groups to try and narrow down which set was the mafia member. This feels more civy like, so I will put him as a partially civy.

I know I don't have any way to clear my name as being possibly the mafia from that group of 3 that firefly targeted, but best I can do is state as much as I know and try to help fill in the missing puzzle pieces to find that last mafia and hopefully prove my drive to catch them outweighs the risk that I am mafia leading a goose chase.


I really want to hear from iancu and Sub what they both have to say for themselves, but if I need to put pressure/vote on one I am leaning iancu.


TL;DR
If we don't lynch a mafia today then civ team loses.
I am dragonfly, Oa is firefly.
One of iancu/Sub/math is mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 07, 2019, 05:53:34 am
With mathman's info, we have to ask ourselves why hasn't any of PlayerOa's ability uses been made public since the first Day phase? What is capable of blocking that ability? Adding to that point, without the ability officially triggering, we have no role information on the three he targeted.

So let's solve the first problem. Who has a role that could have blocked Firefly and is still alive?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 07, 2019, 06:24:27 am
With mathman's info, we have to ask ourselves why hasn't any of PlayerOa's ability uses been made public since the first Day phase? What is capable of blocking that ability? Adding to that point, without the ability officially triggering, we have no role information on the three he targeted.

So let's solve the first problem. Who has a role that could have blocked Firefly and is still alive?

EBWOP: I didn't see the part about a False God being revealed, so I'll amend it to what has stopped the FF's ability until now?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 07, 2019, 06:31:03 am
...you.. read my bluff.. well played...

**dies**
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 07:05:39 am
I was about to come forth with the same problem of Lynch-or-lose after the night phase was over.

I believe what math said is true, in which case, today's lynch should be between me, iancu and math. His testimony also lines up with my actions. I will come back to this later in this post.

I don't have a solid defense either, so all I can do is come out in the open with everything I know.

What I am is a Psion, and my findings are as follows:

N0 - RootRanger
He was a Phoenix, but this information quickly fell flat, because he revealed himself right after.

N1 - DoubleCapitals
He was a Golden Nymph, but he also died during that night.

N2 - iancu
He was a Pharaoh. I could not do much with this information.

N3 - PlayerOa
But my ability failed. This is where math's testimony lines up with one of my actions. I thought that Insig was blocking me, but now I think he was blocking Oa instead.
My theory that day was that Insig blocked me and he also lied about not turning into a Firefly. Shock's last words also strengthened my belief.

N4 - mathman
I can confirm he is Dragonfly.

I can also confirm that I sent him a reminder to post last day, because I was afraid that if we lose a Town to modkill that day, Town would have lost by now.
(Despite not knowing his primary role, this was a no-drawback move for me, because if he is Town, he would not get modkilled, and if he was Mafia, he would get reminded by his peer anyway.)



Getting back to the pool of Sub, iancu and math, there is a red flag that sticks out to me.

Here are my pre-Day5 reads:

So I know about myself that I am Town, so my choice is either iancu or math. Math coming out with this felt like he was on the side of the Firefly, but I took that with a grain of salt because I found math a bit shadier than ian beforehand. Then I realized that math did not form this plan, he just found out at the right time that he was targeted. Eventually all this information would have seen light, and admittedly, coming out with it first did feel like a Town-lean at first, while throwing shade on ian. He probably realized this, otherwise he could have just waited for Oa to say the same. Mafia using the counter-defense on the last day is something I have spotted in Mafia 50 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-50-by-kuroaitou/msg1201259/#msg1201259) before, and I was right about it that time.

This does not reveal to me whether math is Mafia, but it made me cautious about instantly trusting math. Before voting, I would like to hear ian's side of the story too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 09:06:51 am
PlayerOa - voted on me when the train was on Insig. If he were mafia, he'd have no reason to try to divert the vote to someone else.
Mobian - I've suggested him some targets in the past few nights and I must say I'm very surprised his protection never worked. Also very surprised he's not dead by now. What kind of mafia lets the angel survive for this long? That's either some grand plan or mobian is mafia. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Submachine - analysis below
mathman - analysis below
Naii - basically useless the whole game. Might want to roleclaim or do something if he wants to change that.

N3 probably insig targeted PlayerOa, which is why his ability failed. Reference (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288537/#msg1288537)
Then he quoted this awfully convenient message (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288566/#msg1288566). Nice breadcrumbs right there.
Sub also laid suspicion on Coffee, which you would never do if you were mafia Reference (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288338/#msg1288338)

So insig targeted PlayerOa and learned that he was targeted by a psion, which turns out to be Sub.

N2 masterwalks targeted mathman, I suppose, since he was warden. Reference (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288400/#msg1288400)

@Mobian, please list your GA targets, night by night.

tl;dr; mathman is mafia. I'm not sure yet who his partner is or what their role is, but we'll have more info after the lynch.

mathman101 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 09:07:44 am
@Mobian, actually don't list the target for the last night, that would show who you can't target the next night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 07, 2019, 09:30:44 am
N0: MasterWalks
N1: Mobian
N2: iancudorinmarian
N3: Mobian
N4: REDACTED
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 09:35:55 am
What mathman said is all true. I'm firefly and did indeed target ian, Sub and mathman, and I strongly believe the two former are the remaining mafia.



N0 - RootRanger
He was a Phoenix, but this information quickly fell flat, because he revealed himself right after.
Public information.

N1 - DoubleCapitals
He was a Golden Nymph, but he also died during that night.
Public information.

N2 - iancu
He was a Pharaoh. I could not do much with this information.
Of course you know if you both are mafia.

N3 - PlayerOa
But my ability failed. This is where math's testimony lines up with one of my actions. I thought that Insig was blocking me, but now I think he was blocking Oa instead.
My theory that day was that Insig blocked me and he also lied about not turning into a Firefly. Shock's last words also strengthened my belief.
Ok so this is the interesting one. We know by what mathman said that you targeted me. We also know for sure my ability failed that night. But no new information whatsoever has been revealed by your role, making a pretty easy Psion claim.

N4 - mathman
I can confirm he is Dragonfly.
He pretty much just confirmed himself.

The fact I confirmed Firefly to ian was a mistake. My theory is that Sub was Crusader, hitting Coffeeditto to let his Mind Flayer ability live. His target on me N3 was not Mind Flayer - not Psion. Can't say for sure, but this does make good sense in my eyes. Claiming Psion with this "evidence" is way too easy.

Not to mention this:

@ian: I just wanted to know if you were confirmed, because then we could have one more person to share plans with. At this point, it is enough if the Firefly trusts you.

I did, taking the chance because the game looked really bleak from our point of view. What I should have realized is that it could be a scheme where Sub indirectly wanted to influence the Firefly (me) to PM ian, which I did. More information for you, and my ability was blocked the night after I told ian. The same night as you targeted me.



My scum reads are therefore as following:

Sub = ian > Naii > Mobian > math

No reason math would confirm my targets if he was mafia. And I'm still strongly convinced that FG's won't roll Angel, even if it isn't specified in the rules.



mathman101 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Submachine (1) - PlayerOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 09:40:53 am
For what it's worth, here are my other targets:
night 0: d2d, Mobian, MW - civvy
night 2: Insig, MW, Coffee - failed
night 3: Insig, Sub, mathman - failed
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 09:54:24 am
I think I can disprove that. Reference: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288566/#msg1288566

Insig making this post implies that he found a Psion when targeting you. But he probably misunderstood how the role works and assumed that you are the Psion.

We also know that Insig was Warden that night, so it makes sense that he blocked your ability.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 09:56:41 am
@PlayerOa, read the second paragraph of my analysis post. Also check the links.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 10:08:49 am
@PlayerOa, read the second paragraph of my analysis post. Also check the links.
I did, and it does make sense. Information is key at the moment, and I want to highlight several different scenarios for everyone but especially for Root to see. I just wanted to shed another light on the current situation where I can use actual confirmed information rather than qualified guesses. Coffee was next in line anyway, and the Insig post could mean something completely different, although your interpretation could by all means be right.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 10:12:52 am
ian, is your secondary role Pharaoh?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 10:14:46 am
Yeah, I can confirm I'm pharaoh.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 10:17:04 am
Yeah, I can confirm I'm pharaoh.
Target history?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 10:23:17 am
Night 0 - No target
Night 1 - JCJ - Thought he was fishy with all the "I usually like lynching day 1, but not this time", failed because he burrowed probably.
Night 2 - Insig - There was some suspicion on him at the time, so I targeted him to in case I got killed and he was indeed mafia
Night 3 - No target - so it was still insig
Night 4 - Targeted Mobian. I thought I'd die for sure this night so that was my attempt at confirming him once and for all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 10:47:16 am
Actually, there might be some merit to suspecting Submachine. I just realized Kuro was a Psion, and I really don't think Link would let civvy have a duplicate information role.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 07, 2019, 10:56:58 am
All roles were randomized and would only have been rerolled in the case of an extremely unbalanced setup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 11:07:21 am
Go away Link, this is none of your business.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 07, 2019, 11:59:19 am
Holy crow I completely forgot about this.

Posting now just in case timer finishes before I can post.

I haven't gone through what has happened yet.

I should ask whether there is something people want out of me so I can answer it later.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 03:42:04 pm
So I know about myself that I am Town, so my choice is either iancu or math. Math coming out with this felt like he was on the side of the Firefly, but I took that with a grain of salt because I found math a bit shadier than ian beforehand. Then I realized that math did not form this plan, he just found out at the right time that he was targeted. Eventually all this information would have seen light, and admittedly, coming out with it first did feel like a Town-lean at first, while throwing shade on ian. He probably realized this, otherwise he could have just waited for Oa to say the same. Mafia using the counter-defense on the last day is something I have spotted in Mafia 50 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-game-archive/elements-mafia-50-by-kuroaitou/msg1201259/#msg1201259) before, and I was right about it that time.

This does not reveal to me whether math is Mafia, but it made me cautious about instantly trusting math. Before voting, I would like to hear ian's side of the story too.
I've read a few more pages from the link in my reasoning and I found more parallels between the current case and the precedent. My past self's conlusion convinced me to take a side in the matter;

If one of them has been active but the other only showed activity during the endgame, go after the inactive person.

mathman101 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
Submachine (1) - PlayerOa

I am aware that both people can be mafia, but I don't think rewarding inactivity is healthy in any mafia game. If math is mafia, then cool, but if ian is mafia, then at least he worked for it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 04:09:06 pm
I don't think Naii_Baf should share his role yet unless he claims to have information related to the current matter.

I should ask whether there is something people want out of me so I can answer it later.
You should start reading here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288693/#msg1288693

Then share your thoughts and any related information you have. Choose wisely, because once again,

IF WE LYNCH TOWN TODAY, TOWN LOSES!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 04:10:41 pm
Wait, did someone delete a post?

My previous previous post used to be the first post on this page, but now my previous post is.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 07, 2019, 04:51:55 pm
Wait, did someone delete a post?

My previous previous post used to be the first post on this page, but now my previous post is.

I don't think so. Everything looks the same to me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 07, 2019, 05:00:52 pm
mathman101 (2) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine
Submachine (1) - PlayerOa
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 07, 2019, 05:20:48 pm
mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (1) - PlayerOa
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger

I'm gonna have to disagree with Root on this one. We can't afford a mislynch, and his aim hasn't been very good lately. I truly do not believe that ian is mafia. I would urge everyone to think this through carefully, and not rush to any judgements.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 05:43:41 pm
As it's been proven by past lynches, Root's just voting based on his hunch. This is a terrible hunch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 07, 2019, 06:51:42 pm
I want to point out how quickly Sub and iancu both jumped on me so early in the day. Would it not have been more beneficial to push pressure on someone and then wait for more info before piling on the votes?

Also I question why Sub told Naii not to reveal the info he had. We are in a do or die situation, and not revealing info only helps mafia right now. By hiding info they have a greater chance to sway the votes with mis-information.

Sub u also want to question your scum read on me solely on inactivity. Does previously stating low activy during sign up before I know my role still prove to be scummy? I have given as much time as I have available to this game, my apologies  I cannot give more without sacrificing availability in other forum areas.

As I stated in my last text wall ian and Sub are both on the scummier sides of my list. Seeing Mobian jump on their train lead me to believe he is just an inexperienced civy.

I'm wanna trust Root and his guesses on who to target, but like Mobi said his guesses are not always reliable. This could be due to making his best judgement with the info he has, but with some of the mafia skewing it.


I want to add my vote to Submachine and follow along with Oa's judgement here.

(Sorry on mobile at work, will try to give a more detailed post with links and evidence tonight when I get home from work)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 07, 2019, 06:57:59 pm
Ebwop: got my vote in.


mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (2) - PlayerOa, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 07:11:59 pm
Of course you should roleclaim, Naii. We need all possible information to complete this jigsaw. Supply with targets if you have a targeting role.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 07, 2019, 07:34:35 pm
I want to point out how quickly Sub and iancu both jumped on me so early in the day. Would it not have been more beneficial to push pressure on someone and then wait for more info before piling on the votes?

(Sorry on mobile at work, will try to give a more detailed post with links and evidence tonight when I get home from work)
I thought we have all the information we can get today, except what Naiibaf can add. (More about that below.) Your post was long and detailed already, without a mention of more to come.

On second topic, I did wait until both you and ian told your information. My vote is only 2 hours earlier than Mobian's.

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Also I question why Sub told Naii not to reveal the info he had. We are in a do or die situation, and not revealing info only helps mafia right now. By hiding info they have a greater chance to sway the votes with mis-information.
This is either a misunderstanding or an attempt to paint me shadier. I did tell Naiibaf to tell everything that relates to this situation. But if he was, for example, a second Phoenix, then he could soak a hit from Mafia. If both Town and Mafia knew that, it would only help Mafia. This is why I think he should not come ahead with unrelated information today.

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Sub u also want to question your scum read on me solely on inactivity. Does previously stating low activy during sign up before I know my role still prove to be scummy? I have given as much time as I have available to this game, my apologies  I cannot give more without sacrificing availability in other forum areas.
That's fair enough, but my choices were limited to one of you, and your quick-to-come-out post was a red flag for me, as I explained in more detail earlier.

Though now that Root voted, I am wondering if he knows more. I don't want to mislynch, so if you are Town and you have a word for what's been said, please present it.

Root cannot communicate with us, but we can communicate with each other what we think is behind Root's vote.

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I want to add my vote to Submachine and follow along with Oa's judgement here.
While I'm not happy about that, I'll do it for you.

mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (2) - PlayerOa, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger

Edit: Oa is a ninja.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 07, 2019, 07:49:09 pm
I might have a plan, but I need to know Naii's role and his reasoning first.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 07, 2019, 09:39:22 pm
We might just get another day.

I am a Guardian Angel.

I'm finding Mobian scummy, tbh.
Remember Mobian claimed GA? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288237/#msg1288237)

I find it odd that:
- Mafia hasn't tried to NK him, considering he "is" GA and whatnot
- There are two GAs in the game?

The reason I had not claimed my role before was precisely this: since I am GA, I am a priority target-- we established this in the very first phases of this mafia.
I could have counterclaimed then, but there are two things that stopped me:
-There can be repeat roles, although it is unlikely since we started with 15 people and there are 17 possible roles. I don't mean there can't be any repeats, I just find it unlikely.
-Counterclaiming at that point meant revealing myself to Mafia, which would have killed me alongside my role.

The following are my targets:
N1: JCJ
N2: Myself
N3: -
N4: -

The reason I missed two nights was that I was busy with RL. I'm trying to take some time to go into mafia but find myself doing something else in RL.
My targets were pretty much random, tbh. I wasn't really paying a lot of attention, even though I tried.



mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (2) - PlayerOa, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf

Let's see what happens now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 07, 2019, 09:40:03 pm
EBWOP: If I missed something, please do tell me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 07, 2019, 09:40:25 pm
Oh wow this came out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 07, 2019, 09:42:32 pm
Also, forgot to mention.

My N1 target failed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 08, 2019, 03:49:51 am
Current votes:
mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (2) - PlayerOa, mathman101
iancudorinmarian (1) - RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf

I don't want to lose another civ, and know that by having myself die does not help the civ team win this.

Sub, iancu, Mobi - I don't know what to say to try and convince you that I am a civilian as I have shared every last drop of info I know. If there is something more you are looking for to help justify that I am not mafia, I will try my best to make it happen.

Oa, Root, Naii - we are currently all split on targets. By splitting our votes, we are essentially just agreeing that myself is mafia and is just as potent as if you had all voted on me. As I would much rather not die today so that another civilian is not killed, I am willing to change my target if we can all agree on one. I would much rather see Sub lynched, followed by iancu if possible, but am willing to target Mobi if that is what it takes for all 4 of us to agree and outweigh the 3 votes on me.


Also, I want to ask this: If we lynch me tonight and I turn out to be mafia, what happens next? Oa is unable to use his information role on the next night due to its success last night. I will no longer be around to provide more info regarding who is targeting who. Sub's psion powers will be useless as we have all claimed already publicly here. iancu as pharaoh won't be of great use unless he fears being lynched/Nightkilled(not really useful for mafia here, as this doesn't help them in anyway as it can only kill mafia not civy).  Naii/Mobi protect Oa with the Angel abilities in hopes to keep him around for a final showdown attempt in Night 6.
Also if I turn up as mafia, then who is the final remaining mafia? There is no one I have been overly avoiding nor overly protecting. If you look at my interactions the closest would be my minor bickering with Sub over activity, but I suspected him as scummy. Next best would be Oa who I said was only somewhat civ-ish in my scum reads, but that as I stated and Sub stated may have just been the right place at the right time type of coincidence.



Another thought is what happens if we tie the votes and cause a no-lynch? We will still have 4C-2M into the night, and then should have 3C-2M for the next day (possibly still 4C-2M if Angel can protect a correct target). This would still give us an advantage over mafia and leads us to not risking killing a civ by accident forcing the end of game today. then tomorrow would become the sudden death do or die day, as a 3c-2m would push into either 2c-2m(forcing the loss at start of day 7) or 3c-1m(forcing a 2c-1m start of day 7). This plan would then give us one additional day over our current plan of lets lynch someone and hope they are mafia based on a 33% chance guess from the firefly.




Currently after seeing what has been said today while I was at work and unable to be online my scum reading is:
MAFIA--------------------------------CIV
iancu/Sub > Mobi > Naii > Oa


For now I will not switch my target as it would just change to having 2 on another target(still lower than 3), but if I see others switch in a way that we can get 4 votes on a player that is not me I will follow suit.
I'll try to give a check in the morning when I wake up before heading to work, and will do my best to check on mobile while at work if possible. Most likely won't be able to do any last minute switches unfortunately due to local time the timer ends as I will still be at work, but I will do my best to check in if possible.


Here is the current timer for time remaining just as a reminder of how much time we have left to try and organize something if we plan on not killing the dragonfly(an information role):
Day 5
Day 4 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 10:23:33 am
So the current roles list is as follows:

iancu - Pharaoh
math - Dragonfly
Oa - Firefly
Sub - Psion
Mobian - Angel
Naii - Angel

There is a 100% chance that either Sub or math is mafia. (whether you believe I'm civvy or not, that's your problem)
There is a high chance that one of Naii or Mobian is mafia.

Seeing as Naii claims that he protected JCJ N1, that appears to be why my ability failed N1. N0 he probably burrowed. Of course, he might be lying and just came up with a crazy story, but I find that unlikely.

I think it's pretty risky to gamble at the moment, so let's try this:
- no lynch today
- Sub checks Naii if he's truly Guardian Angel
- Naii protects Oa
- Mobian protects Naii
- I'm keeping my curse on Mobian, not switching the target
- math checks Mobian to see if he targeted Naii

This way we have one of the following outcomes:
- one of math/Sub will die and we will know for sure the other is mafia.
- I will die and Mobian will either be revealed as FG or nothing will be revealed and he will be confirmed
- Mobian will die, and if he is revealed as GA, we will know Mobian is a fake GA or a scum GA (There's no way there are two town GA in the game and two town Psion)
- Oa will die and Naii is confirmed scum
- Naii will die and Mobian is confirmed scum

Any objections?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 08, 2019, 02:06:00 pm
mathman101 (3) - iancudorinmarian, Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (3) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 02:49:52 pm

mathman101 (2) - Submachine, Mobian
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf

I guess Root is trying to tell me that my plan is dumb and we should just take the 50/50 :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 08, 2019, 04:21:36 pm
I'll agree to your plan, ian, but I gotta say I dislike the lack of a safety net for me....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 04:24:22 pm
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Mobian will die, and if he is revealed as GA, we will know Naii is a fake GA or a scum GA (There's no way there are two town GA in the game and two town Psion)

EBWOP
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 08, 2019, 05:18:18 pm
I don't see myself surviving this. TL;DR going with ian's plan is my only option to live until you can afford a mislynch. Then I'll go down without a word if you still think I'm mafia. :P

mathman101 (1) - Mobian
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - Naii_the_Baf
No Lynch (1) - Submachine
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 08, 2019, 07:50:42 pm
May I just drop here a quote that I think perfectly fits the general theme of Mafia.
This is unrelated to anything specific, it's a quote for any Mafia game, really.
"At best, the products of human emotion, are interpretations of the world. They tell you more about the guy who's talking, than about the world he's talking about. Second hand views of the world, made third hand by your interpretation of them." - James Burke
And maybe one more.
"Of all the communities available to us, there is not one I would want to devote myself to, except for the society of the true searchers, which has very few living members at any time." - Albert Einstein
If you found the Easter Egg, hats off to you, Sir.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 08, 2019, 08:18:39 pm
I'm down for Ian's plan.

mathman101 (1) - Mobian
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
No Lynch (2) - Submachine, Naii_the_Baf
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 08, 2019, 09:12:23 pm
No huge fan of that plan at the moment tbf, seeing it must be executed with perfection... which it won't because 2/6 involved will hijack it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 08, 2019, 09:14:35 pm
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
No Lynch (3) - Submachine, Naii_the_Baf, Mobian

Very well, I'll vote No Lynch as well.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 09:19:22 pm
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 08, 2019, 09:32:02 pm
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.

The 50/50 isn't an option anymore, it seems. Will you keep your vote on Sub, or will you vote no lynch, and piece this all out with an extra round's worth of intel?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 08, 2019, 09:35:26 pm
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.

The 50/50 isn't an option anymore, it seems. Will you keep your vote on Sub, or will you vote no lynch, and piece this all out with an extra round's worth of intel?

What he means by 50/50 is that if he knows he's town, at least one of math or Sub must be mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 09:37:30 pm
Eh, my plan seems to have a few flaws. Anyway, let's just take the 50/50 now and get it over with.

The 50/50 isn't an option anymore, it seems. Will you keep your vote on Sub, or will you vote no lynch, and piece this all out with an extra round's worth of intel?

What he means by 50/50 is that if he knows he's town, at least one of math or Sub must be mafia.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 08, 2019, 09:38:20 pm
Ahhhhhhh
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 08, 2019, 10:17:13 pm
Night 5

Another one bites the dust.

Submachine was lynched. He was a False God and a Psion.

Night 5 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 08, 2019, 10:20:43 pm
Nice!! Thank god we didn't no lynch. Let's hit that final scum.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 08, 2019, 10:24:31 pm
Once again, I'll state I believe it is Mobian.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 08, 2019, 10:27:27 pm
Or better said, one of me and Mobian. Two GAs is odd to me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 08, 2019, 10:30:23 pm
Once again, I'll state I believe it is Mobian.

These final attempts on pushing ian over to no lynch feel somewhat suspicious. Really hard to tell. And like you say, this double GA claim is also something to keep in mind. The only one I truly believe is town right now is mathman. Need to do some more reads tomorrow.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 10:37:05 pm
Mobian should protect PlayerOa.
Naii should protect mathman.

If Mobian dies, Naii is most likely mafia and vice-versa.
If I die, then it will be revealed that Mobian is mafia or nothing will be revealed, meaning he is confirmed.

And just so you all know, there's still a slight chance that math is mafia. Of course, the same could be said about me from an objective point of view.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 08, 2019, 10:38:48 pm
And by the way, do you really think I'd vote on Sub and get him killed instead of going for the no-lynch if I was mafia?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 08, 2019, 10:44:17 pm
And by the way, do you really think I'd vote on Sub and get him killed instead of going for the no-lynch if I was mafia?
Nope. Not at all. Can't completely rule out the possibility of you trying to exculpate yourself through that vote, though.

However, I do like the sound of your new plan. We could be able to gather some juicy intel with the next NK.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 09, 2019, 06:05:01 am
Holy Crapsicles! So glad to see that it worked and we got a mafia!


Kinda surprised that Sub was truthful about being a second psion, but turning up as a mafia psion makes more sense than having a second civ psion.  This could prove similar to the GA case for Naii/Mobi, both being GA but having one as a civ and the other as a mafia.
I am not sure who I want to trust here more right now, so I will send my role usage in to Link later this night phase once I can get a better feel of the reads. Currently though I am thinking to target one of the 2 claimed GAs to try and see who is actually targeting who they are supposed to if we are following the plan iancu mentioned.


Right now we have 5 alive; 4 are civ and 1 mafia. tonight we will lose a civ depending on if GA can protect the NK target. tomorrow we will then most likely have 3C-1M. Again that will be a do or die day as lynching a civ would bring us down to 2c1m and then 1c-1m after the Night 6 NK forcing a parity loss at the start of day 7. We also have Ash Root for voting tomorrow meaning we will at least have 4 civ votes to the 1 mafia vote.


After the mafia lynch I have now updated my current reads list, but this may change again tonight depending on what other information is presented publicly and discussed.
MAFIA--------------------------------CIV
 Mobi/Naii > iancu > > Oa

iancu I still feel uneasy about but not nearly as bad as before we found the Sub mafia. I moved him one spot right for this reason.
Both Naii and Mobi following Sub for the No lynch idea near the end of yesterday day phase makes me uneasy. (both piled on in the last 2 hours before deadline)
Oa still feels mainly civy with his roles claims and based on how he was the one to pick out Sub as the first vote yesterday.


I want to ask iancu
, what are your thoughts now regarding myself as mafia? Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288700/#msg1288700) we were still early in the day, but you were adamant about me being the sole and only mafia based on firefly. Now knowing Sub was mafia, how strongly do you follow what you had originally stated? Also Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-70-by-linkcat/msg1288754/#msg1288754) you were the one who stated the plan to attempt the No Lynch which Submachine jumped on shortly afterwards. While you did not follow through with it and jumped on the Sub train, you did give Sub a possible out to survive the night.
While I am not super convinced you are scum, I am still not super convinced you are civ. Sorry, but I want to try and drain every drop of info I can for the civ team to try and help find that last mafia. Also doing it publicly as another civ might see something I miss if I question you by PMs only, even if that means risking a mafia trying to steer us in the wrong direction.


I want to ask both Mobi and Naii, if you truly are the GA (and assuming civ as you wouldn't say if you were mafia), what role do you think the other is? and who have they targeted throughout the game so far? While I realize this is mainly a guess and a speculation, I want to see what your thought process is based on what you know from your own role and role usage regardless of if it what you have shared or not publicly.

I want to ask Oa, if you were able to use your ability tonight who would you be targeting to try and get the most info based on our small pool size? Also if you were dragonfly with the currently know info, who would you be targeting tonight? (I probably won't be following this unless it lines up with a player I am already partially planning on targeting). Again I'm just looking to see the thought process from another information type of role.


I want to ask Root, what are your thoughts right now at this point in the game as an ash? What kind of game plan would you make in this situation if you were an alive civy? If you could make a note on this and share after the game, I would enjoy reading that and seeing where your head was at. (I know root can't answer now and so it won't really help us find the mafia, But I want to include him so he isn't left out  ;D )




it is late and I just realized my ideas are starting to mush together, sorry. I'll try to post again tomorrow before the night phase eneds when I have a more fresh mind and some clearer thought process. Sorry.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 09, 2019, 08:00:46 am
Mathfrog, I posted my targets earlier in the thread, with N4 redacted for ongoing protection. As far as my "fellow angel", I'm not sure what to think yet, aside from the fact that he was quick to throw shade at me. Though, if we could get past our differences, and if he is telling the truth about being a town GA, the defensive options for 2 GAs is amazing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 09, 2019, 08:19:00 am
@math, there's a high chance that you're civvy after that. To be fair, I was torn between you and Sub the whole time and tried to find as much information as I could and ultimately, I went with a hunch. Seeing as most people were suspecting Sub, I said, yeah, sure, why not. I get to blame others if we lose :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 09, 2019, 09:05:34 am
I want to ask Oa, if you were able to use your ability tonight who would you be targeting to try and get the most info based on our small pool size? Also if you were dragonfly with the currently know info, who would you be targeting tonight? (I probably won't be following this unless it lines up with a player I am already partially planning on targeting). Again I'm just looking to see the thought process from another information type of role.
1) That's a hypothetical question which won't lead us anywhere, but I think I'd target you + 2/3 of Naii, iancu and Mobian. If I then were to hit a FG, one of Naii/iancu/Mobian would be confirmed town which would be a massive boost.

2) Either Naii or Mobian, I guess. There is a chance that one of them is lying, and a possible confirmation of that would be a gold mine.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 09, 2019, 09:47:15 pm
Mobian should protect PlayerOa.
Naii should protect mathman.

If Mobian dies, Naii is most likely mafia and vice-versa.
If I die, then it will be revealed that Mobian is mafia or nothing will be revealed, meaning he is confirmed.

And just so you all know, there's still a slight chance that math is mafia. Of course, the same could be said about me from an objective point of view.
Just so none of you forgets
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 10, 2019, 11:48:54 pm
Day 6

Hey, I'm gonna get you too.

Day 6 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 10, 2019, 11:57:23 pm
I targeted Mobi last night with my dragonfly ability.

Mobi targeted Naii last night.

I'll post more thoughts  later tonight when I get home from work.


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 11, 2019, 02:28:15 am
So does that mean I was the NK target?
Considering that Mobian's target wasn't the one ian suggested, that is.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 11, 2019, 02:34:14 am
So does that mean I was the NK target?
Considering that Mobian's target wasn't the one ian suggested, that is.

Looks like it. Good thing I had your back.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 11, 2019, 07:59:54 am
That has to be the scumiest way to try to make it seem like you're civvy, Mobian. Using the NK on Naii and then protecting him.

Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 11, 2019, 10:43:55 am
That has to be the scumiest way to try to make it seem like you're civvy, Mobian. Using the NK on Naii and then protecting him.

Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian

I'm sorry you took offense? But then, it seems like my "guilt" was predetermined with you, no matter who I tried to protect. I had a feeling that Naii was going to be in trouble, so I acted accordingly. If I was mafia, there's no way I would have wasted a turn on a null-kill, especially knowing how close to the wire this is. Why would you be so upset that the mafia failed a NK, anyways?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 11, 2019, 11:18:28 am
Submachine (4) - PlayerOa, mathman101, RootRanger, iancudorinmarian
No Lynch (3) - Submachine, Naii_the_Baf, Mobian

Very well, I'll vote No Lynch as well.
Also, I'd say this vote at the end of last day pretty much confirms that either Naii or Mobian are mafia. You would never vote on your teammate mafia, especially when there is a very safe alternative of just following someone else's plan.

Atm we're 4 civvy to 1 mafia. Even if Mobian is a mislynch, we'll be down 3-1, and 2-1 after the night. Afterwards, the 2 remaining civvy should lynch Naii and claim victory.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 11, 2019, 02:25:21 pm
@Mobian, what made you target Naii?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on May 11, 2019, 02:58:00 pm
I don't think what you mention is what ian refers to, Mobian.

Let's see it this way:

Through ian's plan:

math and Oa couldn't die because we would protect them, and it is extremely unlikely Maf would target them.
If they targeted ian, a player would be confirmed which isn't good for Maf, making him an also unlikely target.

In that case, they woukd have to target one of me and you— the only two who don't have a reason not to be NK'ed, plus we both claimed GA.
This is good for town, since if one of us is confirmed, the other one is highly likely the last Maf.

If one of us is truly the last Maf, then surely they would protect the other so they can keep suspicion centered on someone else besides them in an attempt to survive and get nothing confirmed.

So then the question is: besides your hunch, why did you decide to protect me instead of Oa?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 11, 2019, 05:00:46 pm
Because Oa COULDN'T be protected, as he was currently on angel cooldown, at ian's request. I also figured he wouldn't be a priority target for the FG because his own ability was on cooldown. Of the existing players left, Naii, I reasoned that one of us would be the next target. Given all the suspicion on me, the mafia probably figures you all would do his work for him, which left you. That's why I broke plan and protected you, Naii.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 11, 2019, 05:08:29 pm
Ah, but you see, mafia wouldn't have known that. And then they would assume PlayerOa can't be protected in the next night. But he actually could be protected because the ability would naturally fail this night, and then we'd have saved PlayerOa from nigthkill.

Or that was the plan, at least. Oh well. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy there's no night kill, but at the same time, that nightkill would've meant some extra information.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 11, 2019, 05:09:19 pm
The above post happens when you don't close the italics tags properly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 11, 2019, 05:52:16 pm
What would you guys say to a no lynch today? Another night of intel gathering might be what's needed.

Not saying this is what I suggest, because I'm honestly feeling quite lost atm, but I'd like your opinions on the cause.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 11, 2019, 09:24:02 pm
What would you guys say to a no lynch today? Another night of intel gathering might be what's needed.

Not saying this is what I suggest, because I'm honestly feeling quite lost atm, but I'd like your opinions on the cause.

What's going through your head? Maybe talking it out will offer some clarity.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 12, 2019, 03:28:21 pm
Mobian (1) - iancudorinmarian
No Lynch (1) - Mobian

I'm voting this way because there's absolutely no discussion going on about the game, and I won't get out of work today until timer hirs 00:00.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 12, 2019, 05:26:24 pm
Timer extended as I am just now going to sleep.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 12, 2019, 06:43:02 pm
Mobian (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 12, 2019, 07:22:38 pm
Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 12, 2019, 07:26:09 pm
Here's a funny thought.... there were 2 protected targets last night... what if Naii is mafia, and guilty of the very crime ian accused me of? For that reason I will shift my vote.

Mobian (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, RootRanger
Naii_the_Baf (1) - Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 12, 2019, 11:22:49 pm
I haven't had the time this weekend to really read through and analyze this no NK as I had wanted due to RL. But the no NK has thrown me for a loop and I'm not really sure of how that reads. For now I'll both blindly follow the others as it also lines up with my scum reads from the previous night phase.

Mobian (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, RootRanger, mathman101
Naii_the_Baf (1) - Mobian


If Mobi turns up civil, I want to take a closer look at iancu as he was the one who started this chain and started it so early in the day phase.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 13, 2019, 04:27:25 am
Day 6 is over.

Another one bites the dust.

Mobian was lynched. He was a False God and a Guardian Angel.

Elementals Win!

JonathanCrazyJ - Antlion
InsignificantWeeaboo - Fate Egg - Crusader - Dragonfly - Psion - Iridium Warden
shockcannon - Otyugh
dawn to dusk - Vulture
M Coffeeditto - Mind Flayer
Kuroaitou - Psion
DoubleCapitals - Golden Nymph
iancudorinmarian - Pharoah
M  Submachine - Psion
MasterWalks - Iridium Warden
Naii_the_Baf - Guardian Angel
M  Mobian - Guardian Angel
PlayerOa - Firefly
mathman101 - Dragonfly
RootRanger - Phoenix

Night 0
DC - Kuro
MW - shock
JCJ - Burrow
Oa - dawn, Mobian, MW
Math - JCJ
Sub - Root
Mobian - MW
Naii - JCJ
Coffee - JCJ
NK - JCJ

Night 1
Iancu - JCJ
Weeby - shock
MW - JCJ
math - iancu
Sub - dawn
Coffee - Insig
Mobian - shock
NK - DC

Night 2
Sub - iancu
Coffee - JCJ
Mobian - Mobian
NK - MW
Weeby - math
Iancu - Insig
dawn - DC
Naii - Naii
MW - Coffee
math - Coffee
Oa - MW, Insig, Coffee

Night 3
JCJ - Burrow
math - Sub
dawn - iancu
Oa - Insig, Sub, math
Sub - Oa
Mobian - JCJ
NK - dawn
Weeby - Oa

Night 4
Iancu - Mobian
Oa - Iancu, math, Sub
math - Oa
Sub - Naii
Mobian - Oa
NK - JCJ

Night 5
Naii - math
math - Mobian
Mobian - Naii
NK - math

  • The game started off strong with a lot of discussion. JCJ as Antlion successfully baiting the Nightkill was nice.
  • Insig should have used his Crusader on Night 0.
  • The RootRanger lynch was unexpected, but a good play. Thankfully it didn't impact the game too negatively.
  • I have no idea why the mafia suspected DC as Golden Nymph. He played his role well and didn't deserve to go out like that. The GN and his only check dying at the same time was unfortunate. I can only imagine Root's reaction.
  • Shockcannon caused some chaos in the early game in an attempt to flush out the mafia, and he was successful. Of the three people he accused, Coffee, Insig, and Mobian, two of them were mafia.
  • The shock lynch was terrible. He was a super obvious town. No mafia would ever play like shock did in this game.
  • MW was useful to the mafia and should have been kept around longer. Killing someone as soon as they suspect one of you is a rookie mistake and is probably what led Root to lead the lynch on Coffee.
  • Town became less active in the mid-game, which makes it a lot easier for the mafia, who would almost certainly have won if not for the Firefly. The reveal reignited discussion and town was able to come together and lynch a mafia.
  • Oa's Firefly targets were on point. Every group had one mafia in it.
  • Mafia did well by poking JCJ with abilities every night to figure out what he was before attempting another Nightkill on him.
  • Mobian misplayed by not killing Oa Night 5. At that point it was clear that one of Naii or Mobian was mafia based on the votes on Day 5. His victory condition was getting the Nightkill off and mislynching Naii to reach parity on Day 7. Overall he did well for his first mafia.
  • Submachine carried the mafia team and did an excellent job of contributing without coming under suspicion.
[li]Overall, most people played well and the various abilities interacted nicely.
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I'm considering this mafia revival a success, and I hope that we can run many more with continuously refined setups. To anyone reading this that did not participate in this mafia, I highly encourage you to join the next one. Thanks to everyone who did sign up for making this happen. Except for Kuro. Bad Kuro.

Now who wants to host Mafia 71 so that I can play?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 13, 2019, 04:44:12 am
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Now who wants to host Mafia 71 so that I can play?
I'm willing to help out with this, just someone should create rules first.

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: ddevans96 on May 13, 2019, 04:48:22 am
ggs, was extremely fun to watch from the sidelines. Looking forward to 71 :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 13, 2019, 04:50:29 am
I KNEW IT. WOOOOO CIVVY TEAM
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 13, 2019, 04:52:33 am
Well done, ian. Good game!

I'd be down to host, but would like to work with a vet or two to iron out the rules.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Coffeeditto on May 13, 2019, 04:54:38 am
It was a good run. :-)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: rob77dp on May 13, 2019, 04:58:43 am
I really enjoyed following this one! Bravo town- I always enjoy a good town win. 10/10 would have played,still really want that no-out-of-thread-game-talk rule though  8-)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 13, 2019, 05:03:08 am
I think if I ran it, I would authorize a discord channel solely for the mafia event, and allow PMs, but disallow blab, so we're not bogging it down like we were.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 13, 2019, 06:20:45 am
Mafia 71 will be hosted with a modified version of this ruleset. After that, we can talk.

I've added a poll where you can vote for who played the best. Based solely on the play seen in this game, if we ran 1000 games with the same players, who would have the highest winrate? This is what your votes should be based on.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: shockcannon on May 13, 2019, 06:46:31 am
GG Coffee
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 13, 2019, 06:59:37 am
As soon as Sub claimed Psion, I went to Link claiming I knew that he was mafia. Turns out I was correct. Woo!

Shock played well, but ruined my plan (which ended up not going through anyway because of the Psion). We had a discussion about it afterwards, and while what he said makes sense, I'm still not a huge fan of how he played it out. My plan was basically, I'm Vulture so I take DC's ability, while bluffing Graboid. Then Shock called JCJ out for being Graboid and everything fell flat.

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The shock lynch was terrible. He was a super obvious town. No mafia would ever play like shock did in this game.

Most people wanted him out because they didn't like how he was playing. It turned out well but it could very easily do the opposite. Though I'll admit that he did do very well in finding who mafia was
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: ddevans96 on May 13, 2019, 07:15:51 am
I think there's two sides to that debate, and both are right - it seemed pretty clear that shock was playing 'chaotic good', so to speak, but at the same time, I have no issue with 'lynch all liars' as a general policy, especially in early game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 13, 2019, 07:17:06 am
I found dawn on Night 2 with Psion; I found DC without Psion because he publicly gave his role away by barely hidden context clues. Same goes for PlayerOa.

Up until the end, I believe my play was consistent. Then Firefly found me, I had to claim Psion, you know how the rest went.~
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 13, 2019, 08:07:28 am
You wanna hear the real joke???

Guess who my N1 target was. Cmon.

I'm a fucking useless sack of shit and nothing I did mattered.

(More when I'm home tonight)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 13, 2019, 08:09:27 am
Ebwop also shock was like, the best mafia member in the team. If you guys didn't kill me you'd never hear the end of my rants of him. You guys lucked out.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 13, 2019, 08:18:15 am
Ebwop never mind it's in link's spoiler. Like what the f guys.

My N1 target was simple. Pick someone mafia loves to hide and town rarely suspects till the end. While he was the current Master of Mafia he wasn't fierce enough to argue like some vets here are (tbf neither am I, but I can't invest myself)  I thought he'd lie low enough for it to pay off.

I didn't expect it to be this low.

Mobian vote was nothing to do with my role; I just went with my wildly accusing whoever with my vote,  as if I got some shitty town role that didn't matter. My reasoning was still based on nothing more than "No Lynch D1 helps scum more than town, but since everyone is gonna FTC (or more specifically Root rather than the cop) my 1 puny ads vote wouldn't matter anyway. Apparently I actually hit mafia,  and because I told Root I didn't invest him he decided not to vote Mobian (though rightfully so).

I'm still salty over this tbh. I won't be back.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 13, 2019, 02:51:34 pm
My reasons for (correctly) lynching Coffeeditto were that he was lying and hiding information from me. shockcannon was also lying, and InsignificantWeeaboo was also hiding information from me. If civilians had taken the simple strategy of "don't lie and give your confirmed civilian all your info," this game would have been over much sooner. Note that I suspected Submachine as well because he hid one of his targets from me, but he was lower on my list because other civilians (ie Weeaboo) had been hiding all of their targets from me.

The vote on iancu was mostly because his Pharoah target was Mobian - at that point, my primary suspicion was on Sub/iancu/Mobian, and I felt I had a better chance at claiming a mafia by lynching two people at once instead of just one.

I also disagree with the mentality of everyone freely giving their roles away to whoever asks. If mafia knows everyone's secondary roles, our most powerful secondary roles are going to be lynched early. And the more civs who reveal their role, the higher the odds that mafia will find a power role.

The night kill on DoubleCapitals was a stroke of bad luck, but I wasn't at all surprised when dawn to dusk was night killed too, because mafia could narrow down the Vulture to a handful of players sheerly by process of elimination. This is in part why I lynched shockcannon - soliciting roles from players and revealing them to everyone is in my opinion a poor strategy when there are power roles that need to be hidden.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 13, 2019, 02:54:24 pm
Oh right shock. Very obviously town (I know based on his play he got a shit town role) but the best mafia member.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Mobian on May 13, 2019, 04:29:26 pm
Oh right shock. Very obviously town (I know based on his play he got a shit town role) but the best mafia member.

Shock did well up to outing people's roles.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 13, 2019, 05:03:22 pm
I recognized the strategy that shock was using. Norman used something like it in The Promised Neverland.

Read from right to left.

https://readms.net/r/neverland/012/3754/20
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: MasterWalks on May 13, 2019, 05:50:14 pm
Alright so I had a couple mess ups that really affected the town negatively.

1) My trust in, and defending of Mobian. I blindly allied with him. He role revealed to me and it made me instantly trust. I gave him a play by play live of what i was doing and what intel I was gathering. I defended him as a civ to several different people. This gave him an inside view of town (at least part of it) and a "shield" of me defending him from lynches. I looked back at all the discord messages and the only red flag i found at all in our discussion was him not debating any of my decisions. He played mafia very well in the first few nights and he didnt lie to me once.

2)Not finding the connection between Mobian and Coffee. During the shock episode, i gave shock mixed messages. This is outlined in the thread so i wont cover it fully here. One of the mixed messages was that i was suspicions of Mobian and insig. I was suspicious of insig but not Mobian. Well shock PM's coffee who i was suspicious of, and coffee PMs Mobian. Mobain then tell me, full circle. Now, coffee and Mobian have never spoken before Mafia. In my mind, the first thing i thought of is Coffee is trying to get town rustled in hopes of a town lynch. So I tell d2d that if i die, Coffee is mafia (this turned out to be a great idea). However, it never once clicked with me that both Coffee and Mobian are mafia and that Mobian shared what coffee said to further cement his trust with me. looking back at it, its fairly obvious.

3) Blocking Firefly and Dragonfly in Night 2. Ian told Firefly to target 3 people. I targeted one of those people. It didnt even go through my head that it would block Firefly. This blocked 2 intel gathering roles on a very important day for town. Not only that, but i couldnt tell everyone what i did because i died that night.


Like i said the night i died, this was one of the most fun things i have done here. It was a great game, even after i died, watching from the outside, it was a total nail biter. I understand how the game is played and what NOT to do next time.
Mafia 71 when?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 13, 2019, 05:58:00 pm
See, Oa? I had nothing to do with that :P

Anyway, this was a fun mafia, and apart from the almost deadly mistake of lynching mathman instead of Sub, I think I played relatively well. Being scummy civvy is fun :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: PlayerOa on May 13, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
See, Oa? I had nothing to do with that :P

Figured so, albeit a little late ;) worked out for us in the end, though!

Great to have some mafia action again. And like iancu, I think town played pretty good this time around. Things looked kind of bleak mid-game, which was why I confirmed my role to iancu. Luckily Linkcat rolled Sub on my N4 Firefly. Like Linkcat said, that was probably the turning point. From there, mathman was pretty much confirmed town, making picking out mafia much easier.

Looking forward to 71!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 13, 2019, 06:13:41 pm
Also, in hindsight, it probably was a mistake to lynch Root D1. Didn't really help much in the end.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 13, 2019, 06:43:15 pm
Great game everyone! Gratz team civy!

I wasn't getting much info until I got lucky with the firefly. But after that, while it was late in the game I felt confident I had enough info for what I needed to share.


Sorry ian for suspecting you, but you played scummy and that really threw me on your scent suspecting you as scum for most of the game.

I look forward to the next game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 13, 2019, 07:46:34 pm
Also, in hindsight, it probably was a mistake to lynch Root D1. Didn't really help much in the end.
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 13, 2019, 08:02:59 pm
was a really good balanced setup. Thanks Link.

Not so long before the next one plz :)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 13, 2019, 10:02:15 pm
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: InsignificantWeeaboo on May 13, 2019, 10:12:22 pm
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
(If I told you that I didn't realize that I should have been giving you info, would you believe me?)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: RootRanger on May 13, 2019, 10:16:31 pm
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...
It was the right strategy, it was just derailed by civilians who neglected to send any of their information to the Ash. It's not fair to criticize a strategy that only failed because you undermined it lol.
(If I told you that I didn't realize that I should have been giving you info, would you believe me?)
Yeah lol. The simplest explanation was that you had just been mafia, but alas.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: serprex on May 14, 2019, 04:09:09 am
Also, in hindsight, it probably was a mistake to lynch Root D1. Didn't really help much in the end.
The only way that strategy can work is if you can confirm Golden Nymphs and get them protected too...

False. & here I thought it was so obvious that I pointed it out in chat & got a shushing from Linkcat: if Golden Nymph can lay low for a couple rounds (like by, say, acting like they have some regular townie role while PMing everything to Ash), then once they die Ash will know that all the info they gave beforehand is retroactively confirmed

That Root was able to still be useful without a Golden Nymph shows how correct his D1 lynch was. Imagine if players were allowed to reveal whatever they wanted in their dying words; that's what Root had access to. (That could be a neat role)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 14, 2019, 09:35:07 am
I totally expect shock to win this poll, by the way. :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 14, 2019, 02:07:20 pm
Oh btw who was failed N0 Nightkill?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on May 14, 2019, 03:39:08 pm
you
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 14, 2019, 04:59:17 pm
Cool, as expected. Hence why i was trying to fake claim grabboid. Interesting, so i was protected, burrowed and NK attempted. That NK reeeeeally wasn't
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: iancudorinmarian on May 22, 2019, 03:17:04 pm
Oh, wow, wasn't expecting to win the vote for best player. Nice.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Linkcat on May 23, 2019, 12:24:04 am
Actually, the host breaks ties, so Submachine wins best player. :)

Congrats Sub. You win nothing, for now...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: Submachine on May 23, 2019, 11:05:08 am
Thanks to all who voted on me. :)

I think iancu also deserves the spotlight. One of my votes was him, because from a town standpoint, he encouraged and sparked player activity and created plans.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: mathman101 on May 23, 2019, 06:30:23 pm
Gratz both Sub and iancu on winning best player.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 70 - by Linkcat
Post by: DoubleCapitals on June 01, 2019, 11:56:41 am
Actually, the host breaks ties, so Submachine wins best player. :)

Congrats Sub. You win nothing, for now...

This just popped in my head. You can offer Master of Mafia points, maybe.
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