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cipher_nemo

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg11954#msg11954
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:31 pm »

In regards to recent events, perhaps we should change our policy about multiple accounts? For example, a new point in the forum guidelines could be added to forbid multiple accounts for the same user. This would only need to be acted upon if there's a problem like we had recently and the multiple accounts are actually tied to one individual.

Since we have public PCs with Internet access and the same IP shared by potentially many users, it wouldn't be something to regularly enforce. But it would be nice to have their so the mods and admins can do something when this sort of problem arises. :)

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg11955#msg11955
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:31 pm »

There's really no way to enforce such a rule. Can only deal with issues as they arise.

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg11956#msg11956
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:31 pm »

Yes. Banning people who use multiple accounts is common practice on most forums.

This forum was the first where I saw a user get around an IP ban simply by making a new account. I saw this "second chance" policy in action TWICE actually. Once with old admin and now recently with Menthollove.

There are many websites that show you the geographic location of an IP address. It's a good way to find people who changed their IP adress and made a new account.

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12088#msg12088
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

In a completely irrelevant note...

"mannakht"?! Bob, I thought Minnakht was your weird Polish name or something. Why would you misspell your own name? I'd get irritated when someone spells my name wrong.

Back to topic...

So right now, administrators can tell if an account is an alt or not by looking at the IP address? But then, can they see the last digit of the IP (what if the two IPs are in the same building)? And what about the IP addresses that are constantly changing? And what about proxies?

You can't "really" enforce this new rule. Seemingly you're not doing much of a good job at stopping Menthollove from creating multiple accounts.
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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12089#msg12089
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12090#msg12090
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Actually, not only bobcamel (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=857) = mannakht (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1062), but also bobcamel (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=857) = minnakht (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=926). Just to clarify.

Why did you make multiple accounts? Planning on trolling or what? You know there are many forums out there that would ban you for life for doing that? I personally think it's a good policy because there should be no reason for anyone to make more than one account.

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12091#msg12091
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Nope. bobcamel = mannakht.

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Yeah, I was thinking this, since Bloodshadow has called Bob by that name before, and has mentioned that it was the name that Bob used on Kong, however, on the off chance that it wasn't, I didn't want to make any accusations.
Actually, not only bobcamel (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=857) = mannakht (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1062), but also bobcamel (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=857) = minnakht (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php?action=profile;u=926). Just to clarify.

cipher_nemo

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12092#msg12092
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

So right now, administrators can tell if an account is an alt or not by looking at the IP address? But then, can they see the last digit of the IP (what if the two IPs are in the same building)? And what about the IP addresses that are constantly changing? And what about proxies?

You can't "really" enforce this new rule. Seemingly you're not doing much of a good job at stopping Menthollove from creating multiple accounts.
First, this policy wasn't added until after Methollove and his accounts.

Second, admins and moderators don't need to actively enforce the policy. They just need to have it there as a way to act on those with known multiple accounts (ie: they confessed or they are causing trouble and the evidence against them was so great that there was little or no doubt).

IPs are not necessarily unique. But, there is doubt and there is "beyond a reasonable doubt". For a hypothetical example: 4 accounts were under the same IP (or similar IPs in the same range), within the same time window, and all posting to cause the same type of trouble on the forums. That is reason enough to tie them together.

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12093#msg12093
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Reasons I would give approval would be something like a moderator wants to create a separate account to moderate and keep their main account a regular account. I've seen that on other forums. I'll consider other reasons, if they have merit.

And no, bobcamel "lulz" is not merit.
LOL.

Grats on adding that. Now you guys have an extra tool to use to clean up the forums and get rid of trouble-makers who might use multiple accounts for nefarious deeds. :)

cipher_nemo

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12094#msg12094
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Yeah. Because trolling is so much fun.

Can we get a rule against having multiple accounts (with instant ban if someone has them) before more of these idiots start joking around with it? Spotting that one mega-troll is hard enough even without these dumbass comedians.
I don't think we need an instant ban or anything. I was just suggesting this originally as a back-up plan if we get trouble-makers. I wouldn't call bob a trouble-maker. As an analogy, this is like "fix-it" tickets that an officer tacks on to your moving violation ticket when they pull you over for something. If you weren't pulled over to begin with for a moving violation, you might not have been pulled over for a "fix-it" ticket unless it was glaringly obvious.

But I digress, just a suggestion from my end, not a need... yet. :)

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12095#msg12095
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Yeah. Because trolling is so much fun.

I agree! And I'm not being sarcastic. It's fun to make people mad about things that don't matter. But I'll play nice :-)

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Multiple Accounts https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1268.msg12096#msg12096
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:32 pm »

Multiple accounts are now forbidden.

http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,64.0.html

If you have any alts, post here or PM me which ones you want deleted.

 

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