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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276038#msg1276038
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2018, 10:07:02 PM »
You're correct that the Captain task should have had a higher word limit, it was something we forgot about when making the task. Didn't realize it until today, and obviously too late to change the task after submissions.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276040#msg1276040
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2018, 10:55:50 PM »
Tbh if they removed the extra words and made no other edits, Id personally allow it and just leave to voters because its not as if theyre changing the whole story or anything. Way too harsh to remove their submission.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276041#msg1276041
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2018, 09:10:23 AM »
Because I inherently have a biased opinion on the matter, I will give nothing but food for thought and a comparison.

The only other time this brawl where half points have been given were to Paratus' R2 Space trooper task. Which was not submitted by the deadline, but was accepted because they had something done, it just hadn't been submitted via the appropriate methods.

Alternatively, the 2 submissions that have received 0 points due to being illegal were Paratus R1 Space trooper, and GN R2 Captain Task.

Now while you could argue that yes, this task is also a clear violation of the rules, you could also argue that a submission past the deadline is also a clear violation.
Furthermore, you could argue that Paratus submitted what they had without further editing, and while this is valid, depending on how you look at it, GFY task had been changed without anything beyond taking out words.

Looking at it differently, I believe once, someone had asked about illegal submissions a few wars back based on word count. Unless the submission was blatantly over 1000 words, like 1500 or something, then sure it would be completely barred off. But a submission that was just over would be taken with a penalty and nothing much else.

A submission that can fit the word count purely by taking out words and changing nothing about the story, nor the flavour of the text, then would it not fall under the first category?

Basically though, submissions that are illegal are taken on a case by case basis and are not determined based on "which rules we are allowed to break" or whatever. Though j guess all we can do is leave it to the BMs now
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276045#msg1276045
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2018, 02:53:02 PM »
Wait, so at this point only Iron Manta hasn't been penalized in one way or another? There are some strange... err, things happening this brawl.

One thing we will point out is - this round's captain task was essentially writing, and while we could go on a verbal cascade on how BGFY is currently winning by a landslide and stuff like that to sabotage 'em, but... I mean, c'mon, give 'em a break. Sure, they broke the rules, but having a rule apply to a writing task of Log-Keepers and not apply to the same task of Captain is a bit on a dafter side.

Granted, Paratus also was DQ'd from the first round because of violating a rule, but it was our fault to assume something without discussing it with the BMs. That said, the reason Paratus was DQ'd was justified by a clear rule that didn't contradict itself in any way, shape or form. Not allowing same writing ability for Captains and Log-Keepers is, in fact, contradicting, which is why we think that it's dumb.

It's obvious that we shouldn't all have the "max word limit is 2^16 words", otherwise we might just turn the entire brawl into a writing competition, with JCJ winning. But we reckon we could expand on that we limit some writing tasks on words and we don't others.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276070#msg1276070
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2018, 10:53:50 AM »
GFY's Captain submission has been removed from voting until Brawlmasters has discussed the matter.

I agree with this. Sorry Battlestar GFY... :(
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276073#msg1276073
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2018, 12:26:15 PM »
In that case I would like to retcon to collect the asteroids :P
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276078#msg1276078
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2018, 04:10:08 PM »
After reading some suggestions, tihnking aobut it and discussing amongst ourselves, the BMs have made a decision:
GFY's submission is still counted as illegal and not be a part of voting.
However illegal submissions will now gain half the points of a 4th place submission (instead of 0 points). This will retroactively also apply to the illegal submissions in previous rounds. If a team makes an obvious illegal submission with no effort just to gain minimum points instead of 0, this will not be applied (But this is not the case for any submissions so far).
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276082#msg1276082
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2018, 04:31:07 PM »
After reading some suggestions, tihnking aobut it and discussing amongst ourselves, the BMs have made a decision:
GFY's submission is still counted as illegal and not be a part of voting.
However illegal submissions will now gain half the points of a 4th place submission (instead of 0 points). This will retroactively also apply to the illegal submissions in previous rounds. If a team makes an obvious illegal submission with no effort just to gain minimum points instead of 0, this will not be applied (But this is not the case for any submissions so far).

I think this is an excellent, fair solution. Well done BMs.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276137#msg1276137
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2018, 08:45:53 PM »
/bump, votes please. Last round we had nowhere near enough,

Also, @BMs, is the deadline supposed to be 2 days from now, or the 4 days of the round 5?
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276160#msg1276160
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2018, 04:21:56 PM »
Once again, explaining our thoughts just on the visual art tasks, cuz we're not qualified to explain the rest.

GFY we like quite a lot. It's a tad bit empty in some areas, but it gets the job done. Also, your nebulae are on point.

Green night looks more like a comet than a manufactured object, and I'm not a fan of reds and yellows. It's not really against the rules, we just don't like it.

Iron Manta is probably the least favorable here, seeing how the picture portrays less of a solar system and more of a wormhole.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276163#msg1276163
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2018, 04:24:06 PM »
Deadline changed to match Round 5 deadline.
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Re: Forum Brawl #7 - Round 4 - Voting http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65932.msg1276202#msg1276202
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 12:32:00 PM »
Bump.

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