Synchronized Farm Deck?

[kobisjeruk]

~FARM DECK~
Dates	Rares
10/02/2011~12/02/2011	TITAN / PULVERISER
14/02/2011~16/02/2011	STAFF / FAHRENHEIT
17/02/2011~19/02/2011	TRIDENT / SQUID
21/02/2011~23/02/2011	MORNING STAR / MIRACLE
24/02/2011~26/02/2011	OWL'S EYES / STILETTO
28/02/2011~02/03/2011	ETERNITY / PHARAOH
03/03/2011~05/03/2011	LOBOTOMIZER / SoG
07/03/2011~09/03/2011	SoD / SoR
10/03/2011~12/03/2011	DISCORD / ARSENIC

there have been talks about making a concerted effort to make farm a bit better for everyone. there is an idea about reserving 1-2 hours on a certain day and time where everyone on T50 put up farm of some kind but there was nothing like what i had in mind
basically my idea is this; if you like to put up farm deck, it doesnt matter what type of farm decks you put up but what exact cards (2 types according to this here sticky (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1091.0.html)) you could put up on a weekly* rotation
for example, starting from next week, everyone who likes to put up farm deck could do a DISCORD/ARSENIC farm

it can be a farm (non-biting) :-

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4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 52q 52q 52q 52q 52q 52q 744 744 744 778 778 778 7ac 7ac 7ac 7dg 7dg 7dg 7gk 7gk 7gk 7jo 7jo 7jo
or harm (biting) :-

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6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6ts 6u5 6u5 6u5 6u5 6u5 6u5 710 710 710 710 710 710 71a 71a 71a 71a 71a 71a 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2
but if you put up farm, stay away from this kind of farm :-

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4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 52q 52q 52q 52q 52q 52q 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778why? because not speading the pillar/tower type will result in bad spins (you should know this by now if you are trully a T50er)

and the week after next, TITAN/PULVERIZER farm
the week after the week after next, STAFF/FAHRENHEIT farm
...you get the idea

i would like to know if anyone (and by anyone i mean those who are t50 materials i.e. constantly in t50, score of 200k++ etc) are interested in making synchronized farm deck as suggested
please vote and give your thoughts/comments on the matter
and for the haters, kindly bug off

* if a weekly rotation is too long (as it takes about 8 weeks to put up all rares on the rotation)
we can maybe do 3 days rotation i.e. monday-wednesday, thursday-saturday and only needing a month to do a full rotation of rares

[Falcon4415]

As a player I like this, better than random farms, but it kills the surprise for players, as they'll just check the weekly farm to see what they're going to get.

not spreading the pillar/tower type will result in bad spins (you should know this by now if you are trully a T50er)

Why? I didn't know this (I am not a true T50er, so no problem, but still ).

[Jappert]

Apart from the fact that I only really need SoR's I really like this idea.
I especially like the biting decks as you call them, makes the farms more fun

Anwyay, there should be one person calling what the weapons/rares are going to be, based on the requests of the community?

Another thing is different timezones. For a few days I've been trying to catch MegaP with his farm deck (SoR's!!), but every time I meet him he uses his life rush. I know you were talking about set times, but maybe those are just the times T50 players want to grind/PvP.

Anyway, great initiative, I hope it works out. I don't think I'm anywhere near T50 with 120k score am I?

ps. the farm you were talking about NOT to use is the type alot of peopel put up. I keep winning alot of pillars like this ^^

[TheonlyrealBeef]

How does splitting pillars help? *scratches head* I don't see anything about that in the card spin algorithm(albeit outdated, it still doesn't make sense to me), only thing I can think of is that you win less pillars/pendulums, but not more rares (and admit, anything that gives electrum is better than nothing). But then again, pressing control while spinning the Oracle also seems to quintuple the chances for nymphs.

[Onizuka]

I don't like this for a few reasons.

1) Time differences.
Even though it wouldn't stop people from having their farms longer, but having a larger amount of farms for a set amount of time will most likely only benefit some more than most. Right now, T50 is a large part of an Element's player's early life. It is currently the only way to get rares that are normally impossible outside of playing tournaments (Shards). And the fact that its pretty hard to get weapons from regular farming is well known. Me myself, pretty much all of my rares are from T50. I wouldn't want to alienate people who can't get onto Elements during that time, feeling some sort of disadvantage.

2) People will get used to this
To the best of my knowledge, T500 will be coming soon. If this is conglomeration of farms is to happen, then people will quickly get used to it. It eventually won't be just a nice thing that people will thank the top 50 people of doing, it will be something the populace will most likely demand. I don't want this to happen, I love seeing the kindness of these great players, allowing us to get one step closer to them by not having to do the painstaking farming for these weapons.

3)And every list looks better with more than two things

[Essence]

How does splitting pillars help? *scratches head* I don't see anything about that in the card spin algorithm(albeit outdated, it still doesn't make sense to me), only thing I can think of is that you win less pillars/pendulums, but not more rares (and admit, anything that gives electrum is better than nothing).

^^ This.  Source?

[EvaRia]

You would think that, but not splitting pillars doesn't decrease the chance of pillars showing up in spins, it just decreases the chance of winning a pillar.

There's honestly no difference in terms of farming.

[Skydaemon]

Well, I have a score 200K+ and 12 of all rares, although currently I don't register.  If it was set up for an hour or two I'd do it, otherwise I probably wouldn't.

[Bootsza]

I would do this.

[kobisjeruk]

1) Time differences.
Even though it wouldn't stop people from having their farms longer, but having a larger amount of farms for a set amount of time will most likely only benefit some more than most.

those who put up farm will still put up farm and those who dont, well, dont
this idea or campaign if you will, does not change how farm is set up other than WHAT will be up for grabs
thats it

2) People will get used to this
To the best of my knowledge, T500 will be coming soon.

exactly why this is suggested, to give more people chance to get rares before t500 is in efffect

3)And every list looks better with more than two things

so i guess 6% chance* of getting a discord or sog or miracle or pharaoh or (12 other rares) is better than 50% chance of getting one of two rares for that period huh?
* - and that is if everyone has different set of rares for farm with a normalized distribution which is hardly the case

only thing I can think of is that you win less pillars/pendulums

it just decreases the chance of winning a pillar.

i'm sorry, i dont know anyone would want to farm pillars
my bad

"it just decreases the chance of winning a pillar"
^not a good thing apparently

[Essence]

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Anyway -- decreasing the chance of winning a pillar is a bad thing, yes.  Here's why:

In one scenario you have a 6/30 chance of hitting Rare 1, a 6/30 chance of hitting Rare 2, and a 18/30 chance of hitting a pillar. 

In the other, you have the exact same 6/30 chance of hitting Rares 1 or 2, but only a 3/30 chance of hitting each of 6 different kinds of pillar.  Notice that your chance of winning the rares is exactly the same -- the only thing you do is nix your chance of winning the 'consolation prize' if you're not lucky enough to get the rares.

So if you want to benefit the n00bz as much as possible, you'll stick with 18 of the same pillar, straight up.

[kobisjeruk]

In one scenario you have a 6/30 chance of hitting Rare 1, a 6/30 chance of hitting Rare 2, and a 18/30 chance of hitting a pillar.

failed/incorrect scenario
every time the spinner picks up pillar/tower it will repick (up to 10 times?)
chriskang put it at 1.6% chance to win a pillar from spin consisting of 6/6/18 distro
but the math (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,590.msg5760#msg5760) used confuses the hell out of me

what i DO know based on my own experience grinding is that i am more likely to get fail spin from rare farm with 18 of 1 pillar type than those with 18 of different types
take it as you will