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Other Topics => Forum Archive => Topic started by: Dragoon on December 15, 2009, 04:09:55 pm
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I guess I should ask first, which is faster for getting weapon rares, AI3 or t50? If t50 is faster, what's the best deck for fast (and preferably mindless, so I can multitask) grinding against t50? I know most of those decks are counter-FG decks so that would have to be the main consideration. Thanks.
PS: The weapons I really want are Eternity and Pulverizer. I don't really care about the others as much.
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I created a section for strategies for dealing with top 50. Moving this thread!
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I have been trying to farm them monofire and have been consistently changing it up because farming T50 is new to me. Basically if you choose the fire route you have two choices with or without drags and I would argue that leaving the drags at home is the better choice. I ran something like this at the start:
12 Burning Towers
2 FBucklers
1 Fahrenheit (add more copies if you have any)
6 FireLances
6 Explosions
4 Ruby Dragons
Then I dropped the drags and added a few towers in their place and the win rate got better because rainbows can easily creature control via Otys, FStorm, EEye, Eternity and rarely druid mutation. Drags have their damage prevented too easily via SDials, Dim Shields and Bone Walls; so FLances and Fahrenheit were superior choices because its tougher to prevent them. So my dream deck would be
12 BTowers
2 FBucklers
3 Fahrenheits
6 FireLances
6 Explosion
1 Shard of Gratitude or Divinity
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The way I see it, permanent removal is the key to beating any rainbow deck out there. If you have a protected Pulverizer, you will most likely win.
This is what I would use: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4454/antigodcards.jpg)
Mark of Gravity.
But the problem of course is that you need 2-3 Pulverizers and most players don't even have one. If you don't have Pulverizer, then Explosion is the only other option (like what ElementalGod has there).
I personally wouldn't take Fahrenheit or Fire Bucker because they will get stolen for sure. Fahrenheit is not a big deal but that shield will kill your own critters fast. If you don't have Protect Artifact, safest way is to not take any extra permanents.
If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
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As you do not take any monsters for my deck I cannot see how having your shield stolen matters and multiple copies of fahrenheit would compensate for having 1 copy stolen. Problem with the three decks we have posted is that they require at 2 least two rare weps if not even 3. I wonder if anybody has a deck that does not require multiple weapons!
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As you do not take any monsters for my deck I cannot see how having your shield stolen matters and multiple copies of fahrenheit would compensate for having 1 copy stolen. Problem with the three decks we have posted is that they require at 2 least two rare weps if not even 3. I wonder if anybody has a deck that does not require multiple weapons!
Yes, you are right. I only saw those shields and just assumed that you have creatures.
That poison deck I put there doesn't require any rare cards. You can easily replace those 2 x Arsenics with 2 x Improved Plague. Against rainbow it's actually BETTER that way because then you have nothing to Steal.
I would say that poison deck is one of the best, if not THE best deck to grind current top-50 with fast and consistent results.
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I would say that poison deck is one of the best, if not THE best deck to grind current top-50 with fast and consistent results.
I'll give it a try tonight. Unfortunately I don't have upgraded versions of most of those cards :(
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I used to run a deck like that - physalias are okay if you aren't playing against fire, ice or time shield, as they will be affected by these. And the AI would probably see them as a bigger threat if the deal physical damage, too, but I can't vouch for that.
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Yes. In this type of deck, I think unupgraded Chrysoras would be better more often than not. But I'd have to test to be sure.
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Yes. In this type of deck, I think unupgraded Chrysoras would be better more often than not. But I'd have to test to be sure.
Actually no. I've tried both and Physalias are much better.
There are not that many fire or water shields out there. But there ARE Bone Walls, which will make your Arsenic useless without Physalias. Also that 2 damage Physalias do, does add up and make this deck faster.
That being said, this deck also works with Chrysoras and Freeze, but you probably need upgraded Towers.
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The way I see it, permanent removal is the key to beating any rainbow deck out there. If you have a protected Pulverizer, you will most likely win.
This is what I would use: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4454/antigodcards.jpg)
Mark of Gravity.
But the problem of course is that you need 2-3 Pulverizers and most players don't even have one. If you don't have Pulverizer, then Explosion is the only other option (like what ElementalGod has there).
I personally wouldn't take Fahrenheit or Fire Bucker because they will get stolen for sure. Fahrenheit is not a big deal but that shield will kill your own critters fast. If you don't have Protect Artifact, safest way is to not take any extra permanents.
If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
That Earth/Gravity deck is great . . . if you have pulverizers. One of the reasons I want pulverizers is so I can make that deck!
The poison deck looks good too, but it sucks unupgraded. Well, maybe not sucks, but it's no where near as fast and so doesn't win as often. If you take too long, they bring out too many creatures and EB and heal themselves faster than you can poison them. Plus Miracles and Shards are a real pain. If I can get an extra 30000+ coins, I might consider making it, but that's not happening anytime soon.
I think I'm going to test a variation off of Elemental God's fire deck:
18 pillars
6 fire bolts
6 reign of fire
RoF the FQ and Bolt them to death.
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Well, my fire deck has been working pretty well—5 out of 5. I realize this isn't much testing but I realized I made a mistake. Bolting them to death is okay when they don't have many creatures, but you have 0 chance of winning against a flying weapon deck that has all the rares you want to win! I'm stumped. If I design a deck against the rainbow decks, I can consistently win, but my chances of actually getting a rare is small just because rainbow decks have so many different cards. But if I design a deck to win against those flying weapon decks, then I'm going to lose a lot of money from losing to rainbow decks or forfeiting to find that flying weapon deck. I guess I'll just stick with farming AI3 and hope I'll eventually win a few pulverizers and an eternity.
PS: Maybe we should try to compile a list of all the t50 who use flying weapon decks when they're not playing.
karasoytari is the one I lost too when I realized my mistake. I think turin, cisco, and chival also have rare decks they put up when not playing.
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Well, my fire deck has been working pretty well—5 out of 5. I realize this isn't much testing but I realized I made a mistake. Bolting them to death is okay when they don't have many creatures, but you have 0 chance of winning against a flying weapon deck that has all the rares you want to win! I'm stumped. If I design a deck against the rainbow decks, I can consistently win, but my chances of actually getting a rare is small just because rainbow decks have so many different cards. But if I design a deck to win against those flying weapon decks, then I'm going to lose a lot of money from losing to rainbow decks or forfeiting to find that flying weapon deck. I guess I'll just stick with farming AI3 and hope I'll eventually win a few pulverizers and an eternity.
PS: Maybe we should try to compile a list of all the t50 who use flying weapon decks when they're not playing.
karasoytari is the one I lost too when I realized my mistake. I think turin, cisco, and chival also have rare decks they put up when not playing.
Poison deck with Congeal owns those flying weapon decks.
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I can honestly vouche for the posted Poison Deck. In fact, anyone who has played against me can vouche for it too, as that is the exact deck I use in PvP and for farming t50. It is VERY fast, very controlling, and wins most games unless someone pulls a first or second turn Devourer and you're left without Water quantum. It usually wins in 5 to 8 turns, depending on the draws, but it is VERY weak when it comes to bad draws. You need at least two Towers for it to function decently, and a minimum of three for it to work effectively. Any more are just icing on the cake.
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PS: Maybe we should try to compile a list of all the t50 who use flying weapon decks when they're not playing.
karasoytari is the one I lost too when I realized my mistake. I think turin, cisco, and chival also have rare decks they put up when not playing.
"tttt" (without the quote marks) often has a rare weapon deck. Usually, if you find it, it'll have a Mark of Entropy and Stone Pillars/Towers.
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mightyhat also often has a rare farm deck and is sometimes entered twice in the highscores (changing your element causes this to happen). You can also just talk to t50 people in chat and sometimes they'll put up a deck for you. cisco did one with multiple Eternities once after we talked in chat.
As for the deck to grind with, I've done a variation of the Fire Lance deck in the trainer which uses a light mark and upped Dials. It's usually something like
16 Tower
6 Lance
2 Fahrenheit
6 Dial
It seemed pretty effective, even with broken Dials, but I don't think I faced any AW decks. I would think that Dials would help (unless they got out Pulv), but I dunno. Also, I'm not sure about the Fahrenheits because, as Scaredgirl pointed out, they're gonna get stolen a lot. One or two Fire Bucklers might be useful and would be harmless if stolen, but it might be better with just two more towers.
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time), although I do think a 1 fahrenheit fire deck can do a decent job. Interestingly all of the decks posted can do fantastically well in Pvp, which is hardly surprising considering they are designed to counter decks designed by human players!
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
I have a feeling you're going to be seeing more poison decks now. ;D I know I might make one if I haven't gotten my Pulverizers and Eternity by the time I'm done fully upgrading my AI3 deck.
I'm going to put up a new thread for t50 rares if anybody wants to add to the list.
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I attempted with my partially upgraded deck. After winning about 14 out of 16 matches, only winning 4 unupgraded quantum pillars (yaay)... I came up against back2flash. And FINALLY won my 3rd, but really only 2nd pulverizer! ;D ;D ;D
3rd- because I won one against seism but lost it because of the server problems not allowing me to save :'(
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
I played at least two t50 decks that were probably your exact deck. I didn't stay to find out though. ;)
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
YOUR deck?
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
YOUR deck?
I say MY deck because it is the deck I use most. >.>
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(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/917/ss20090923125654.jpg)
Quick and pratical and simple to use.
Just get quanta, use farenheight to smooth, sundials to save time and bombard with fire lance.
Destroy enemy weapons and feral bond.
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well, I created the Poison deck unupgraded and its working pretty well against T50.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3248/screenshot018v.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/screenshot018v.jpg/)
By balance776 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/balance776)
Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.
not too bad!
thanks for deck idea guys!
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And don't forget to upgrade your pillars also.
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(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/917/ss20090923125654.jpg)
Quick and pratical and simple to use.
Just get quanta, use farenheight to smooth, sundials to save time and bombard with fire lance.
Destroy enemy weapons and feral bond.
playing about with this in trainer...
absolutely love it.
its so simple!
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
YOUR deck?
I say MY deck because it is the deck I use most. >.>
Yeah and you did help perfect it by removing those 2 Bone Walls. While it made this deck more vulnerable to attacks, it also made it faster which in the end proved to be a better choice.
I would say this poison deck is a team effort.
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Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.
Poisons I'm not too sure about, but the Chrysaoras aren't the best thing to upgrade really. It only adds 2 damage per card, and the AI will see it a a bigger threat than the unupped ones.
Personally, I like Pufferfish myself (upped Toadfish). Take out some bone pillars, add some sapphire pillars. Change your mark to death, and add Puffers. They poison every time they hit, and don't need a constant supply of death quanta to function. Obviously, Pillars should be upgraded to towers as soon as possible.
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The poison one looks pretty sweet actually (going to make it when I have the time)
Everyone is stealing my deck... :'(
YOUR deck?
I say MY deck because it is the deck I use most. >.>
Yeah and you did help perfect it by removing those 2 Bone Walls. While it made this deck more vulnerable to attacks, it also made it faster which in the end proved to be a better choice.
I would say this poison deck is a team effort.
Agreed! ;D
Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.
Poisons I'm not too sure about, but the Chrysaoras aren't the best thing to upgrade really. It only adds 2 damage per card, and the AI will see it a a bigger threat than the unupped ones.
Personally, I like Pufferfish myself (upped Toadfish). Take out some bone pillars, add some sapphire pillars. Change your mark to death, and add Puffers. They poison every time they hit, and don't need a constant supply of death quanta to function. Obviously, Pillars should be upgraded to towers as soon as possible.
The problem with Pufferfish is that they can be stopped by walls and Sundials.
The advantage to upgrading Chrysaoras to Physalia is that they deal an extra two damage, each, per turn, and since they are the only creatures in the deck, they will be a target, whether upgraded or not. That extra two damage does add up, too, and it helps take down Bone Walls so that Arsenic can hit the player.
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Actually the Chrysoras are ignored by the AI druids. It has mutated my phylasia in the past- but not every game. Also- if the AI has any red quantum at all putting out a 3rd one is just asking for a firestorm :-[
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.
Noooo! >:( Don't give away my weakness! You truly are evil... :'(
Actually the Chrysoras are ignored by the AI druids. It has mutated my phylasia in the past- but not every game. Also- if the AI has any red quantum at all putting out a 3rd one is just asking for a firestorm :-[
They Firestorm me whether I use Chrysaoras or Physalia, but I've never had an AI use a Druid to mutate my upgraded jellies, which is why I never Congeal them. I save Congeals for Otyughs, Mind Flayers, and Anubis...or Dragon spam... >.<"
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(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/917/ss20090923125654.jpg)
Quick and pratical and simple to use.
Just get quanta, use farenheight to smooth, sundials to save time and bombard with fire lance.
Destroy enemy weapons and feral bond.
playing about with this in trainer...
absolutely love it.
its so simple!
I can't see the picture currently (not a problem with the picture, just firewall settings where I am), but this sounds like the same or similar to the deck I use in top50. It is: 16x Burning Tower, 6x Fire Bolt, 5x Sundial, 2x Fahrenheit, 1x Explosion. Mark is Light.
I played with this for awhile and it seemed to 'almost always win' in top50. One day I decided to record 100 matches just to have something more statistical. In those 100 matches, I only lost twice. Sometimes you have to be moderately-intelligent about your use of the sundials, but other than that there isn't much to it. All my cards are upgraded, but you could run it with everything un-upgraded except Sundials, which must be upgraded. Your winning percent certainly wouldn't be quite as high then but I don't suspect it would change too drastically. The Fahrenheits are also not necessary, basically it just helps your chances of winning really fast ( 5-7 turns), but if the game goes beyond that usually it is not a factor, and it does get stolen often. I think it is better with them than without, but you could still run the deck without a weapon.
I haven't tried the poison deck, but I imagine it (poison) is probably a bit faster than this (fireball). This fire deck CAN win in 5 turns, however it is extremely rare (so rare that I don't think I've ever had it happen, I have won in 6 though). I would guess most often that wins come around turns 9-11 (by this point, even if your Fahrenheit has done no dmg, you should have some combination of the 4 bolts + 81 quanta, or 5 bolts + 63 quanta that you need to win). The fire may have a higher winning percent than the poison, but may also take a bit longer. Overall I am sure the poison is a "better" deck, since this fireball deck is wholly dependent on the fact that a) no Top50 decks have reflector shields and b) the AI never destroys upgraded sundials.
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I haven't tried the poison deck, but I imagine it (poison) is probably a bit faster than this (fireball). This fire deck CAN win in 5 turns, however it is extremely rare (so rare that I don't think I've ever had it happen, I have won in 6 though). I would guess most often that wins come around turns 9-11 (by this point, even if your Fahrenheit has done no dmg, you should have some combination of the 4 bolts + 81 quanta, or 5 bolts + 63 quanta that you need to win). The fire may have a higher winning percent than the poison, but may also take a bit longer. Overall I am sure the poison is a "better" deck, since this fireball deck is wholly dependent on the fact that a) no Top50 decks have reflector shields and b) the AI never destroys upgraded sundials.
The Poison deck wins, on average, in 6-8 turns, 9-11 turns on very rare occasions, and I've won in 5 turns twice. It IS faster on most occasions, but the deck that I've seen uzra play, which is very similar to this one, did manage to beat me by one turn because I kept drawing congeals (he had 20+ poison counters, and was at lower than 15 HP, I believe). Overall, both decks are very good at what they do, but likewise, they both have weaknesses. Poison is taken out by a single early game Devourer/Pest, and the Fire Lance deck is easily taken out by any type of reflecting shield.
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I haven't tried the poison deck, but I imagine it (poison) is probably a bit faster than this (fireball). This fire deck CAN win in 5 turns, however it is extremely rare (so rare that I don't think I've ever had it happen, I have won in 6 though). I would guess most often that wins come around turns 9-11 (by this point, even if your Fahrenheit has done no dmg, you should have some combination of the 4 bolts + 81 quanta, or 5 bolts + 63 quanta that you need to win). The fire may have a higher winning percent than the poison, but may also take a bit longer. Overall I am sure the poison is a "better" deck, since this fireball deck is wholly dependent on the fact that a) no Top50 decks have reflector shields and b) the AI never destroys upgraded sundials.
The Poison deck wins, on average, in 6-8 turns, 9-11 turns on very rare occasions, and I've won in 5 turns twice. It IS faster on most occasions, but the deck that I've seen uzra play, which is very similar to this one, did manage to beat me by one turn because I kept drawing congeals (he had 20+ poison counters, and was at lower than 15 HP, I believe). Overall, both decks are very good at what they do, but likewise, they both have weaknesses. Poison is taken out by a single early game Devourer/Pest, and the Fire Lance deck is easily taken out by any type of reflecting shield.
I've tried both in the past, then decided to try something more funny (flying weapons) just not to get to bored in grinding. But I must say fire wins more than poison: it doesnt care about creatures at all and fears only reflection (wich i must say is SO rare in top50, i met only a jade shield and only once). On the other hand poison is faster in turns, but fire is more mindless play and no abilities to use.
In the end I would play fire because i believe in murphy's law: "the time you lost was the time you would get a rare" ;P
Down here my flying weapons deck: lot of control, possibility of masteries (miracle+strolen bond, or just having an early bonewall) and tends to 100% effectivness, but can have troubles against fast decks (poison/fire) with bad draws. note that i replaced the bond in the picture with a miracle to get easy wins even agaisnt those fast damaging decks.
So what's the prolem? It's slow :|
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6383/flying50deck.png)
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Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.
Poisons I'm not too sure about, but the Chrysaoras aren't the best thing to upgrade really. It only adds 2 damage per card, and the AI will see it a a bigger threat than the unupped ones.
Personally, I like Pufferfish myself (upped Toadfish). Take out some bone pillars, add some sapphire pillars. Change your mark to death, and add Puffers. They poison every time they hit, and don't need a constant supply of death quanta to function. Obviously, Pillars should be upgraded to towers as soon as possible.
Chrysaoras or much better upgraded. If you don't believe me, try it. That 2 damage adds up and most importantly, they take down the bone wall so you can spread poison with Arsenic.
Pufferfishes SUCK. They are too expensive and get totally owned by Phase Shields and Sundials. I would never take Pufferfish over Chrysaoras. Never.
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.
Actually no.
It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.
I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.
Actually no.
It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.
I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.
Well, of course, I've beaten mono-Dark too, but it's still a huge advantage to them, and especially when I start to see three or four Devourers out by third turn. =/ However, Devourers are the main weakness of the deck, hands down.
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I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50). I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me. He won 2 out of 3. I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.
Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.
Actually no.
It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.
I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.
I have recorded the devourer's quantum eating before. It is over 80% whatever you are generating the least of. I didn't track it specifically with this deck, but when I played it- if only one devourer showed up, it was always at least 3-4 turns before I had a water quantum to use.
Then again i am naturally unlucky so YMMV.
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I've been running the poison deck to grind T50 and can attest to its satisfying destructive capabilities. I was able to upgrade about half the pillars into towers, and all the poisons into deadly poisons. I also have only one upgraded arsenic (thinking about grinding AI3 for another of those). ANyway, some thoughts on the general discussion that preceded me:
Why not run half chrysaoras and half physalias? Would that not get you the best of both worlds?
Druids controlled by the AI do not ever mutate chrysaoras, I can't speak to the physalias.
This deck is a GREAT starter speed killer. You don't need upgrades at all. I'm very impressed.
Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares? Please?
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Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares? Please?
I agree!!! And i'm in top50!
Problem is that there's no deck saving, so it's quite annoying especially for 50+ cards decks.
I think that first of all we need some kind of deck saving, just to build "play" decks and "farm" ones.
About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!
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About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!
Thanks much.
Running the poison deck, I've come to a couple other conclusions. No one ever should ever, EVER use purify. You know what it doesn't do? Stop a poison deck. It DOES slow it down. A bit. And that can give you the edge you need to win. I just have an incredibly hard time believing such a remote scenario justifies including purify in a deck. Ever.
Secondly, the poison deck in this thread, much like a mono-fire deck, runs really fast for a reason perhaps not immediately apparent: a total lack of defense. Perhaps freeze/congeal counts as defense, but what's nice about these decks and farming with them is the quick decision. You either win or you lose, and it takes about ten turns or less. I suppose everyone else has seen this and is familiar with it, but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck. And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?). How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity (EDIT: I think my brain farted. Pretend I said Eagle Eye)? Farm the T50! Let my people go!
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but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck. And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?). How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity? Farm the T50! Let my people go!
Rainbow has eternity????????????????????????? Is it a new change or your mistake?
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Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares? Please?
I agree!!! And i'm in top50!
Problem is that there's no deck saving, so it's quite annoying especially for 50+ cards decks.
I think that first of all we need some kind of deck saving, just to build "play" decks and "farm" ones.
About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!
How many pulverizers do you keep in there? I really, really, really wanted one. Perhaps next time...
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but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck. And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?). How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity? Farm the T50! Let my people go!
Rainbow has eternity????????????????????????? Is it a new change or your mistake?
I guess not, I'll trust your judgment on that one. I know rainbow carries Eagle Eyes, I guess I thought I'd seen an eternity. My bad, I'll fick it...
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@Archduke: my deck has 2 pulv, but in a 30 card deck it's good (i have only 1 more but unnecessary in the deck, if i had six i would have played a fying pulv deck :D)
About poison: i tried the new version posted by scaredgirl. The first version had some defence (bonewals and plague) that made it worse. The actual one works pretty good, even if unupgraded. Think better than fire
Edit: win rate is better with fire, but poison it's really faster
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Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares? Please?
I agree!!! And i'm in top50!
Problem is that there's no deck saving, so it's quite annoying especially for 50+ cards decks.
I think that first of all we need some kind of deck saving, just to build "play" decks and "farm" ones.
About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!
How many pulverizers do you keep in there? I really, really, really wanted one. Perhaps next time...
When I'm not playing I normally set my deck up as mostly rares, normally 6x trident/eternity, 2 pulv, 2 discord, and whatever else I feel like putting in that day.
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And a hearty thank you to you too, Kahl. Seriously, it is quite nice to play these decks. If I ever get to the top 50 (unlikely, at my current 33K), you can all count on as many eagle's eyes, druidic staffs, miracles and morning glories as you can handle.
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And a hearty thank you to you too, Kahl. Seriously, it is quite nice to play these decks. If I ever get to the top 50 (unlikely, at my current 33K), you can all count on as many eagle's eyes, druidic staffs, miracles and morning glories as you can handle.
Please...no more damn eagle's eyes. I think I'm over a dozen of them...as well as over a dozen shards. Just won my 7th eternity. If there are any rares you guys want me to see put up next time, let me know. I try to only put up stuff I have 4+ of, or the rare ones like pulv/discord.
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Pulverizers and Eternities please!
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Pulverizers and Eternities please!
find me 4 more pulverizers please! I keep hoping to find someone with 6 arctic squid in their deck
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@Turin: Your deck and mine just had a poison slinging death match. You got the better draw - I did not get an arsenic. It was a game changer. The hazards of farming...
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@Turin: Your deck and mine just had a poison slinging death match. You got the better draw - I did not get an arsenic. It was a game changer. The hazards of farming...
I hate the poison mirror, I liked playing against the flying weapon deck since it had multiple pulverizers.
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Kahl, I just hit your deck and for the first time in my elements career, I spun a shard. Since it was Top 50, it was an unupgraded shard, but now I can't find it. It's not in my deck list, it's not in my card pile. I wonder if, since I've never won one before, if I'm just missing something. Also, since that deck had divinity shards and gratitude shards, is it possible I rolled both types of shards? Help!
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Kahl, I just hit your deck and for the first time in my elements career, I spun a shard. Since it was Top 50, it was an unupgraded shard, but now I can't find it. It's not in my deck list, it's not in my card pile. I wonder if, since I've never won one before, if I'm just missing something. Also, since that deck had divinity shards and gratitude shards, is it possible I rolled both types of shards? Help!
It might have been both types of shards, it normally appears under "other" with quantum towers/pillars. I'll probably pull the divinity shards for miracles or eagle's eyes to keep problems from occuring.
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Oh excuse me, yesterday i had few time to try poison and left it as my deck! I promise today i'll leave a farming deck!
And yes, poison mirror is the most horrible match possible
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Oh excuse me, yesterday i had few time to try poison and left it as my deck! I promise today i'll leave a farming deck!
And yes, poison mirror is the most horrible match possible
I want to build the 6 pulverizer flying weapon deck...too bad I need 4 more pulverizer. About the only time I play a poison mirror is when I have a really fast hand, or it's against ethero who runs squids in his deck.
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What is this "poison mirror" everybody is talking about?
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What is this "poison mirror" everybody is talking about?
When you play your poison deck against somebody else's poison deck.
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What is this "poison mirror" everybody is talking about?
When you play your poison deck against somebody else's poison deck.
Or, as I've so unfortunately done so many times lately, get paired against myself with my poison deck. I think tonight I'll have to farm score since I'm close to getting knocked out of the T50 until they clear the hackers from the T50 again.
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I've had a great day farming rares so far. I've picked up 2 Pulverizers, 1 Eternity, 1 Shard, and 1 Owl's Eyes. I'm happy. ;D
Much thanks to Skillgannon, Foyle, Nihilus and everyone else for putting up rare farms and even viable decks focused on rares.
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Indeed, I just picked up an Owl's Eye off Nihilus (not that I needed another but I'll definitely take it). And I got beat by a flying weapon deck earlier, as well. I appreciate the folks who benevolently use their Top50 status.
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What is this "poison mirror" everybody is talking about?
Poison Mirrior is when two people play the same exact, or very similar, Poison deck. It's simply the luck of who gets the better draws, and if someone pulls out an Arsenic early game, then they win almost every time.
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I'm broke now and lost several hundred points in score. But at least I now have 2 Pulverizers and an Eternity! :D
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I'm broke and lost several important cards in my fake god deck to pay for the upgrades to my poison deck, but now I've got both going to be able to switch in and out. It's nice, that...
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Everyone is playing Poison now...I don't feel original anymore...T_T
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I've had a great day farming rares so far. I've picked up 2 Pulverizers, 1 Eternity, 1 Shard, and 1 Owl's Eyes. I'm happy. ;D
Much thanks to Skillgannon, Foyle, Nihilus and everyone else for putting up rare farms and even viable decks focused on rares.
That's approximatly what i get in 1 week of everyday farming...:(
and obviously i get no eternities...
I want the "unluckiest" award!!!!
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I've had a great day farming rares so far. I've picked up 2 Pulverizers, 1 Eternity, 1 Shard, and 1 Owl's Eyes. I'm happy. ;D
Much thanks to Skillgannon, Foyle, Nihilus and everyone else for putting up rare farms and even viable decks focused on rares.
That's approximatly what i get in 1 week of everyday farming...:(
and obviously i get no eternities...
I want the "unluckiest" award!!!!
I got my first eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now everything seems beautiful :D
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You got your first Eternity in the 8 minutes between your two posts? Congratz. o-o
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You got your first Eternity in the 8 minutes between your two posts? Congratz. o-o
yessssssssssssss! Reading that today dragon won so many rares i stopped grinding gods and started in top50: 2nd match against foyle=7th shard+1st eternity!
Edit: got my second eternity now, few minutes later the first! Nihilus deck seems to have found the right cards/rare balance to win everytime :D
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Glad I was able to help you get the Eternity streak going Turin =)
Unfortunately I recently in T50 I haven't been very lucky so I have not been able to expand my collection much. Recently my rare farm deck has had: 2x Eternity (its all I have so I guess you were lucky to win one!), 5x Pulverizer, 6x shard, 17 pillars. Has it worked out pretty well for people? I hope the spins aren't all towers too often. Obviously winning an Eternity is still going to be hard but I would think Pulverizer/Shard wins would be pretty common. I keep hoping to get a 6th Pulverizer to put in, but it seems my luck has run out. I won all 5 Pulverizers in one weekend, I think all from mightyhat's farm, but since then I just get a lot of 2/3 Pulverizer spins and can't get the 6th one.
Sadly I think I forgot to put up the farm deck when I left last night so anyone hoping to farm it will have to wait until late tonight/tomorrow.
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I've been forgetting to switch mine also. I'll have to try and remember tonight!
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pulverizers easy to get? ive gotten one pulv and 3 eternity. Guess i can only get hard rares and can not get any easy ones lol.
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got a third pulv, and 2 arctic squids to add to my deck today. Please if anyone puts up a rarefarm and has squids, put them in.
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Glad I was able to help you get the Eternity streak going Turin =)
Unfortunately I recently in T50 I haven't been very lucky so I have not been able to expand my collection much. Recently my rare farm deck has had: 2x Eternity (its all I have so I guess you were lucky to win one!), 5x Pulverizer, 6x shard, 17 pillars. Has it worked out pretty well for people? I hope the spins aren't all towers too often. Obviously winning an Eternity is still going to be hard but I would think Pulverizer/Shard wins would be pretty common. I keep hoping to get a 6th Pulverizer to put in, but it seems my luck has run out. I won all 5 Pulverizers in one weekend, I think all from mightyhat's farm, but since then I just get a lot of 2/3 Pulverizer spins and can't get the 6th one.
Sadly I think I forgot to put up the farm deck when I left last night so anyone hoping to farm it will have to wait until late tonight/tomorrow.
Thank you foyle, really. I think your deck (2-3 good rares + pillars) is the best made up for farming, as i experienced, only nihilus' and kahl's being at the same level. About pulverizers: i'll put in my farm deck, i've only 3, and dont think they're common. Mightyyak deck is not so good for farming, because of lots of useless rares, it gave me just some shard and plenty of mornig stars: so yes, you've been lucky ;)
@Kahl1701 : i'll put my 2 squids. Thank you too, i hope i'll get a shard of gratitude from your farm deck! (if possible)
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Thank you foyle, really. I think your deck (2-3 good rares + pillars) is the best made up for farming, as i experienced, only nihilus' and kahl's being at the same level. About pulverizers: i'll put in my farm deck, i've only 3, and dont think they're common. Mightyyak deck is not so good for farming, because of lots of useless rares, it gave me just some shard and plenty of mornig stars: so yes, you've been lucky ;)
@Kahl1701 : i'll put my 2 squids. Thank you too, i hope i'll get a shard of gratitude from your farm deck! (if possible)
Yeah, I'm trying to fill my deck with rares that seem less common, like the 3x Discord/Pulverizer I have in my deck, as well as the 1 shard of gratitude and 2 squid. I stopped putting the shards of divinity in a lot of the time since it seems like every rarefarm has them in it.
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Is there a difference between the un-upgraded "Shard" based on what it is won from?
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Is there a difference between the un-upgraded "Shard" based on what it is won from?
I believe so. I spun three shards and they all appeared to be the same. I was farming Top 50 at the time so I was spinning for un-upgraded cards, and I about crapped my pants. But no card popped up at the side and I became very sad. I looked through averything I could imagine and found no shard. So I believe the un-upped versions of both shards will look the same in the slot machine, but you'll only win if they're all three the same shard.
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I think TheArchduke is right. On a side note, I think the best t50 person to win a shard from is Arath's Light deck with Morning Stars, Miracles, and Shards of Divinity. He has 3+ shards in that deck. I won one off of him the other day.
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I think TheArchduke is right. On a side note, I think the best t50 person to win a shard from is Arath's Light deck with Morning Stars, Miracles, and Shards of Divinity. He has 3+ shards in that deck. I won one off of him the other day.
Dratz...I wish we got spins from Duels...I beat Arath on Kongregate all the time...>.<"
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Is there a difference between the un-upgraded "Shard" based on what it is won from?
I believe so. I spun three shards and they all appeared to be the same. I was farming Top 50 at the time so I was spinning for un-upgraded cards, and I about crapped my pants. But no card popped up at the side and I became very sad. I looked through averything I could imagine and found no shard. So I believe the un-upped versions of both shards will look the same in the slot machine, but you'll only win if they're all three the same shard.
Yes, this has ben clarified in another thread:
http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,528.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,528.0.html)
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Nice thread necromancy there!
;D
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:D
but it was useful!
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whats your name in kongregate jellyfish?
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whats your name in kongregate jellyfish?
Kazecuden
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quick question...
I've been playing t50 for a little bit and I haven't won any upgraded cards. Do you not win upgraded cards from t50?
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quick question...
I've been playing t50 for a little bit and I haven't won any upgraded cards. Do you not win upgraded cards from t50?
Correct.
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what i wanna know is does that earth t50 farm deck that was posted work unupgraded, have 6 pulerizers so i can build it but i don't have the money to make it upgraded. if it doesn't work upgraded could someone help me out with a beck that does work well unupgraded. i tried the poison and it worked.......sort of........so is that the best result i can expect from an unupgraded deck?
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what i wanna know is does that earth t50 farm deck that was posted work unupgraded, have 6 pulerizers so i can build it but i don't have the money to make it upgraded. if it doesn't work upgraded could someone help me out with a beck that does work well unupgraded. i tried the poison and it worked.......sort of........so is that the best result i can expect from an unupgraded deck?
Speed poison is one of the best unupgraded decks, yes.
Although I'm no expert on the subject.
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alright thanks
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moved to more appropriate forum
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so fully upgraded, which of the two decks are better for the t50: the earth/gravity pulverizer at 1st page, or the poison deck?
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Poison is gross :) People rarely pack protection against it.
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The gravity/earth works really well, the only bad draw is when you don't get a pulverizer and a protect artifact. I modded it a bit, since four monsters really isn't much and Basalt Dragons are crazy expensive, but it works about the same. It's definitely slower than the poison deck, but it gets the job done most of the time. The times that yer 3 pulverizers aren't in the last 1/3rd of your deck.
The poison deck works pretty good if you can get a really nice hand, but it's got its own problems. It can't really deal too well with sogs, or FB's, and those are becoming more and more popular. Also, miracles and purifies ruin it, since you don't really have anything to defend against that kind of thing. And by the time they can throw a miracle they've got a crapload of monsters anyways.
Big fan of the pulverizer deck, highly recommended.
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I've been trying to farm t50 with speed poison for a few hours now, and IDK if it's the AI, or just the sudden proliferation of SoGs across all of the t50, but speed poison just doesn't cut it anymore. There's just too much healing and immortal Otys going around. :(
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I was doing fine with an unupped poison deck (and I only have 1 arsenic to boot) vs top50 yesterday. Made sure it was 31 cards so I wouldn't deck out with a bad draw vs shard farms.
Immortal Oty just means you play out the rest of your Chyrsaoras that you left in your hand so they didn't get Fire Storm'd. Chances are you have enough damage on the board to outrace the Oty anyway. The real problem is an immortal Queen, since she outraces your poison handily.
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every1 always talks about the upgraded versions for this deck? i made one with only what i could buy with what i sold right off the shute. it is epic since its free.
here it is.
x6 bone pillar
x6 poison
x6 sapphire pillar
x6 chrysaora
x1 alfatoxin (i found if i poison one of my chrys early the 1/1 spam is a nice additive and a fail safe vs time decks)
x5 freeze
all this and i still have about 150gold b4 any quests or games! this is a build any1 can use iv beat all quests and AI3 with zero losses so far. life has come and vs t50 and Ai5 i really need a weapon. but im holding my own 70%ish.. not bad for a free deck
plz add comments or advice.
sincerely
pool
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(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7521/94674537.jpg) (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/94674537.jpg/)
I'm using this deck for farming t50 , and it's pretty good , the only occasional lost ( once in a blue moon ) are due to very bad draw on my side and perfect draw on the opponent .
3 pulv it's a little overkill , even 1 may work and 2 are perfect .
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I have done a lot of testing vs. Top50. All my testing was done after Wed so the Top50 wasn't full of new decks.
Played 180 games. 148 Wins, 32 Losses. 83% win rate. Games typically last 1-2 minutes unless the opponent drags it out with dim shields.
Note: The Earth Mark card is basically just another upped earth tower.
(http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd48045/Earth_deck.jpg) (http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/)
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This one is my favourite against top 50 at the moment. It runs fast and usually wins quickly. Mark is gravity.(http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/m7Gbd48102/New_Bitmap_Image_2_thumb.jpg) (http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/view/m7Gbd48102/New_Bitmap_Image_2)
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I have done a lot of testing vs. Top50. All my testing was done after Wed so the Top50 wasn't full of new decks.
Played 180 games. 148 Wins, 32 Losses. 83% win rate. Games typically last 1-2 minutes unless the opponent drags it out with dim shields.
Note: The Earth Mark card is basically just another upped earth tower.
(http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd48045/Earth_deck.jpg) (http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/)
The optimal T50 deck is the optimal L3 deck. Yours is a terrible earth deck.
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Excuse me, Differ. Koranuso knows what he's doing. Although his deck may not be as good as a standard shrieker spam, it is by no means "terrible". Antlions are often underlooked in favor of Shriekers; in actuality, they are very fast and cheap creatures (only *2* quanta for a 4/4 creature!? AND you can make it invincible?!) His deck is, as a matter of fact, very sound, and you would probably agree if you actually tried it instead of calling it "Terrible" just because it doesn't look like the standard Shrieker deck.
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Thanks for the backup Icy.
I am always up for finding Top50 decks with better win rates than mine. A fully upped standard Shreiker deck though is not one of them. A good chunk of the Top50 use bonewall and having lots of lil guys works far better than a few big hitters. Plus like Icy said, Ant Lions are hella quanta efficient and have the same survival ability as the big guys.
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I was hoping for some random speed rainbow. At least something creative. Who hasn't heard of the Shrieker Rush deck. The Antlions are kind of original I guess. Poison rush, neh, heard of it. Saw a speed rainbow, got excited, saw that it wasn't speedy, sadified.
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I was hoping for some random speed rainbow. At least something creative. Who hasn't heard of the Shrieker Rush deck. The Antlions are kind of original I guess. Poison rush, neh, heard of it. Saw a speed rainbow, got excited, saw that it wasn't speedy, sadified.
Here is a link to my old Top50 deck which was a speed rainbow. It works good. Just doesn't have the win-rate or speed of the antlion/graboid deck.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2413.msg23458#msg23458
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The optimal T50 deck is the optimal L3 deck. Yours is a terrible earth deck.
Instead of bashing the deck perhaps you should try it out. I personally will never... quote "NEVER" use my upgraded shrieker deck again for T50 in lieu of this deck. This deck fills in some of the gaps vs. certain decks/cards with the gnome riders and ant lions (lightning, quicksands, bone walls). I always thought of both of those units as useless and am glad to find myself in the wrong . The majority of the time my shriekers don't even make it to the field or if they do the game is already in hand.
Now for the obvious: the upgraded shrieker deck is better for those who's cash is limited because it works unupgraded as well. But for those who can spend the money might think about trying this deck out and comparing it for yourself.
Nice deck Koranuso, my speed poison and upgraded shrieker decks are now shelved.
Edit: Record is at 127-21 (85.8%). The deck that i have the most trouble with are the life decks. Those are just as fast and if they use Jade Staffs with adrenaline, game over.
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That poison deck I put there doesn't require any rare cards. You can easily replace those 2 x Arsenics with 2 x Improved Plague. Against rainbow it's actually BETTER that way because then you have nothing to Steal.
I would say that poison deck is one of the best, if not THE best deck to grind current top-50 with fast and consistent results.
I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.
Now, I have a partially upgraded rainbow deck and do pretty well with it so I know a bit about how to play the game. However, I lost at least three quarters of the games I played in an evening of testing.
It worked so poorly, I felt I had to register just to warn other people away from it. Most of Scaredgirl's posts are very informative and useful, but the poison deck without any rare cards just doesn't seem to work.
Maybe when all you people who have been playing for a long time are so used to playing with upgraded cards, you don't actually remember playing unupgraded decks. I don't know. but new people to the game need to find some way to get into the game with upgrading cards and winning the rare cards (i.e. shards) that you can't get any other way.
I'm thinking this isn't the way to do it.
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I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.
I'm thinking you made a mistake with that statement. If not just so you know improved plague is not a rare card. It's just an upgraded plague.
ScaredGirls statement was a while ago and i even think that she would agree that upgraded poison is no longer the BEST deck to use. Unupgraded poison does not work very well and i'm sure that's quoted somewhere in here. Upgraded its still a good deck to use as i was running 80% with it but there are faster more consistent decks IMO (such as the earth deck by koranuso).
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I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.
I'm thinking you made a mistake with that statement. If not just so you know improved plague is not a rare card. It's just an upgraded plague.
Yes, I meant upgraded, not rare. My apologies.
ScaredGirls statement was a while ago and i even think that she would agree that upgraded poison is no longer the BEST deck to use. Unupgraded poison does not work very well and i'm sure that's quoted somewhere in here. Upgraded its still a good deck to use as i was running 80% with it but there are faster more consistent decks IMO (such as the earth deck by koranuso).
Well, that was why I was pointing this out. It's kind of hard to keep track of this if you didn't read the forums regularly for a long time. Coming into the game at this point, there are lot of ideas and suggestions floating about and little to point out what is currently accurate and what is not.
Thus, I pointed out that this deck is not a good deck to play for t50. If you read other threads, you will find that other people have been trying this deck out lately. It's a little frustrating for a new player to spend a lot of electrum to try one of these "ultimate top farming" decks to find out it was just a waste of good coin. Hopefully with this information, others will avoid the same mistake I made.
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If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
does this work non-upgraded against lvl. 3?
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well, I created the Poison deck unupgraded and its working pretty well against T50.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3248/screenshot018v.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/screenshot018v.jpg/)
By balance776 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/balance776)
Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.
not too bad!
thanks for deck idea guys!
Can you add some toad-fish?
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I like poison the most for T50. Reasons:
Pros:
+ Shields/Sundials only block a small part of your damage
+ You still do damage after your creatures get destroyed
+ You have no damage cap, which helps versus heal-heavy decks (hi clp)
+ Stacking poison to 100+ is fun
Cons:
+ A little slower than Life/Fire/Earth (but not by much really)
I'm using this modification of the poison deck:
710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 710 718 718 718 718 718 718 71a 71a 71a 71a 71b 7gl 7gl 7gl 7gl 7gl 7gl 7n2 7n2 7n2
I find Congeal not very useful, since
a) It hinders you playing your Physalia - you already have to wait if you draw more than one without Congeal
b) Most rainbow decks (which is the largest part you (or at least I) face in T50 use quints anyway and Life rush often has Epinephrine which renders it useless
Loses ~50% vs. Life/Fire/Earth due to them being faster - better draws or Bone Wall turns the tide
May lose vs. Rainbow if they draw lots of SoGs early
Else there are no problems (disregarding awful draws on my or insanely good draws on the opponent's side)
Can you add some toad-fish?
No, not enough water with just the mark. Flying Arsenic is my Toadfish ;)
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Quick tip to any newcomers who are using T50 for rare-farming... if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately. If you don't care about score, I find this saves a huge amount of time. Fighting those rainbows takes way too long and hardly ever yields a good card. I just won a Morning Star, three Druidic Staves, an Owl's Eye, two Fahrenheits, two Titans, an Eternity, two Pulverizers, a Trident, two Arctic Squids, two Miracles, a Discord, and a Lobotomizer in about three hours by skipping rainbows. 19 rare cards.
Already had a Vampire Stiletto, so the only weapon I'm missing is Arsenic. The only person in T50 I've seen so far with that weapon for farming is chaoz... and he stocks miracles too. He picked death mark and light towers, presumably just to annoy people, because with my full poison deck I managed to provoke five Miracles and get poison stacked over 50 before his Arsenic finally offed me. I'll have to stick a boneyard or two in there and try again.
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if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately
I don't agree with that. Anti-FG Timebows die before they play a creature most of the times, and others only take 2 or 3 turns longer than mono-decks. It only takes long if they play lots of shards or shields right at the start. Plus, they are easy wins in almost all cases, even if they play the SoGs and shields and my hand is bad. Depends on deck of course, but I wouldn't quit right away with any.
Also, from my experience Rainbows are about 60-70% of my match-ups, would be pretty insane if I'd quit all those.
About time efficieny, sure it'd be faster if you quit right away when you know it's gonna be tough or take long. However I never quit a game unless my fate is sealed 100%. But that's just me ;)
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I like poison the most for T50. Reasons:
I find Congeal not very useful, since
a) It hinders you playing your Physalia - you already have to wait if you draw more than one without Congeal
b) Most rainbow decks (which is the largest part you (or at least I) face in T50 use quints anyway and Life rush often has Epinephrine which renders it useless
Loses ~50% vs. Life/Fire/Earth due to them being faster - better draws or Bone Wall turns the tide
May lose vs. Rainbow if they draw lots of SoGs early
Not saying this is any better but maybe you would like to try this deck out? You have most of the cards already, works fairly well and you don't have to really worry about creature control or bonewalls. I found that with a regular speed poison deck with physalia's, oty's and RoF's really ruined my day.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5961.msg67844.html#new
My personal favorite T50 farmer though is Jangoo's speed rainbow deck. If you want to get EM's in the T50 this is the deck to use. I'm 145-26 (84.80%) with 84 EM's (57.93%). Probably a little slower then the other speed decks but the win percentage for me is a little higher then my next best farmer. Majority of my losses are due to the prevalent RoL/Hope deck. I really hate that matchup.
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if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately
I don't agree with that. Anti-FG Timebows die before they play a creature most of the times, and others only take 2 or 3 turns longer than mono-decks. It only takes long if they play lots of shards or shields right at the start. Plus, they are easy wins in almost all cases, even if they play the SoGs and shields and my hand is bad. Depends on deck of course, but I wouldn't quit right away with any.
Also, from my experience Rainbows are about 60-70% of my match-ups, would be pretty insane if I'd quit all those.
About time efficieny, sure it'd be faster if you quit right away when you know it's gonna be tough or take long. However I never quit a game unless my fate is sealed 100%. But that's just me ;)
I run unupgraded poison, and those rainbows have an annoying habit of playing quint elite oty. I tried both ways and found I won cards way way faster by skipping rainbows - you make 60 electrum for one win against a farm deck, and lose 15 for each loss... you only need 20% of decks you face to be farm decks in order to break even, and I was turning a profit. I won so many weapons so quickly that I've begun selling off the extras (I had 9 druidic staves) for quick cash.
It's definitely more consistent cash than farming AI5, though you don't get the crazy burst electrum from selling off rares. I for one prefer consistency over burst... in WoW, I've always favored attack/spell power and haste over crit. But you definitely make money by skipping rainbows, on average. I've actually been using it to build auxiliary decks, instead of farming AI3/5.
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you only need 20% of decks you face to be farm decks in order to break even, and I was turning a profit.
That there is the problem... typically 20% of the T50 decks are not farm decks. But if you are indeed making a profit then i guess it's not a bad idea... I would just hate to add so many needless losses to my record.
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You know what? I tried fighting every one again (save a few I know are really annoying), and I think you're right. Victories ARE usually fast enough unless I get a bad draw and the AI gets a good one, and the extra electrum from those victories really adds up. Add in the fact that this is pretty fun and decent farming with lots of rares, and I might just retire AI5 farming forever. Just now won two shards in one fight - decked out chaoz, I think he had 30 cards all along and I just added bonewall to combat that arsenic I saw yesterday. Nice to finally be on my way to my very own shard of gratitude!
EDIT: not three battles later I won another green shard, from a timebow!
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You know what? I tried fighting every one again (save a few I know are really annoying), and I think you're right. Victories ARE usually fast enough unless I get a bad draw and the AI gets a good one, and the extra electrum from those victories really adds up. Add in the fact that this is pretty fun and decent farming with lots of rares, and I might just retire AI5 farming forever. Just now won two shards in one fight - decked out chaoz, I think he had 30 cards all along and I just added bonewall to combat that arsenic I saw yesterday. Nice to finally be on my way to my very own shard of gratitude!
EDIT: not three battles later I won another green shard, from a timebow!
with which deck?
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10 Bone Pillar
6 Chrysaora
6 Poison
2 Plague
6 Freeze
1 Bone Wall
The Bone Wall was a reaction to having issues winning Arsenic from a farming deck that had death quanta.
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Still making money, but I'm getting REALLY tired of fighting rainbow after rainbow. Especially when they keep throwing out SoG and quint elite oty.
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Especially when they keep throwing out SoG and quint elite oty.
Well, as I mentioned, drop your Freeze for more damage. I don't know if you have those Arsenics and Animate Weapons, but I guess not, else you would have one Arsenic in there at least... you could try Spiders or Mummies.
I used Plagues before - while they were not that useful and they are quite expensive unupgraded they are still more useful than Freeze imho, since the AI plays stuff out and quints later, where it's useless when the creature is already poisoned. Plus, it destroys RoL/Hope decks that seem to become quite common these days.
All unupgraded you will have a hard time for sure. If you really have no Electrum to upgrade anything you might get better results using a Life deck for now or farming AI3.
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Not saying this is any better but maybe you would like to try this deck out? You have most of the cards already, works fairly well and you don't have to really worry about creature control or bonewalls. I found that with a regular speed poison deck with physalia's, oty's and RoF's really ruined my day.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5961.msg67844.html#new
Mmh, can't say that I struggle that much with Otys and RoFs. When I face a rainbow I watch their Fire and Gravity quanta and play only 2 Physalia if they have lots. Otys can't eat my Flying Arsenics then with 7 HP and the AI won't use RoF on 2 creatures. If I play Animated Arsenic in the former case it doesn't really matter if I might lose the Physalias.
On your deck idea:
While I like the idea of Adrenalined Arsenics, I can't seem to find it working out better, since you need 4 turns to play an Epinephrine (considering the first turn, where you don't get quanta for your mark) and it depends so much on getting Animates and Arsenics in equal order. I often find myself having either lots of Arsenics but no Animate or the other way round, which would destroy this deck. Plus, I'm also quite often having problems getting enough towers to play all stuff with 10 towers while you only have 8.
Unfortunately I don't have any of these Life cards upgraded, else I would try it out. But I really can't see it working. Having two or three Life cards in the starting hand seems like an auto-loss to me. How is this really working out for you? I don't have exact stats on my current deck (where I replaced one Physalia for another Bone Wall with good results), but it feels like an 80-90% win ratio.
My personal favorite T50 farmer though is Jangoo's speed rainbow deck.
Do you have a code or link to another thread for this? I guess it's the Entropy one with lots of different kinds of small creatures, but having a template that works might be useful :)
Majority of my losses are due to the prevalent RoL/Hope deck. I really hate that matchup.
Yeah, I hate those too - Depends on how early they get hope - either they have no chance or completely destroy me :)
Thanks for your Lobos btw, had only one for a loooong time. Now I on;y need two more and two Tridents to have 6 of any rare - care to put up a Lobo/Trident farm? :)
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(where I replaced one Physalia for another Bone Wall with good results)
I wanted to elaborate more on this: AI prioritizes Bone Wall higher than Arsenic for dispels for some odd incomprehensible reason, which makes Bone Walls so much more useful than one might think.
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Not to mention Bone Wall has saved my tail many, many times, and turned a loss into a win by blocking some high-attack creature.
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if we're talking about good top50 grind decks i think the pillarless rush is good starting place for those with a few upgraded cards
this is how I run it
6x photons
6x novas
5x immolations (upgraded to cremation asap)
5x lava golems
2x lycans
2x forest spirit
2x momentum
1x arsenic (just because I have it)
I get a good ratio using this deck and its also fast, provided you don't get a bad draw
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On your deck idea:
While I like the idea of Adrenalined Arsenics, I can't seem to find it working out better, since you need 4 turns to play an Epinephrine (considering the first turn, where you don't get quanta for your mark) and it depends so much on getting Animates and Arsenics in equal order. I often find myself having either lots of Arsenics but no Animate or the other way round, which would destroy this deck. Plus, I'm also quite often having problems getting enough towers to play all stuff with 10 towers while you only have 8.
Unfortunately I don't have any of these Life cards upgraded, else I would try it out. But I really can't see it working. Having two or three Life cards in the starting hand seems like an auto-loss to me. How is this really working out for you? I don't have exact stats on my current deck (where I replaced one Physalia for another Bone Wall with good results), but it feels like an 80-90% win ratio.
8 towers is fine with this setup (it's actually more then enough) because you only need 24 total death quanta to play your whole deck. Honestly 7 towers would be enough it's just that there really are no other cards i would like to add. 2-3 life cards in your start also is no big deal. Admittedly though i don't have extensive stats on this deck but in the 30 games i have played i like it better then my speed poison. Here are my stats anyhow. Honestly in the long run these decks probably will run at a similar rate but this deck will EM much more since speed poison literally never EM's.
Speed Poison
132-32 (80.49%)
EM-17(12.88%) Probably all farms
Adrenalined Arsenics
25-5 (83.33%)
EM-14 (56%)
Do you have a code or link to another thread for this? I guess it's the Entropy one with lots of different kinds of small creatures, but having a template that works might be useful :)
Here it is although i changed out one of the cards for a flesh spider, can't remember which.
4vm 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 713 74f 74f 74f 77f 77f 77g 7ah 7dq 7gv 7ju 7n3 7q7 7t9 7t9 7t9 80b
Thanks for your Lobos btw, had only one for a loooong time. Now I on;y need two more and two Tridents to have 6 of any rare - care to put up a Lobo/Trident farm? :)
No problem i'll put up the farm later on Monday probably.
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if we're talking about good top50 grind decks i think the pillarless rush is good starting place for those with a few upgraded cards
this is how I run it
6x photons
6x novas
5x immolations (upgraded to cremation asap)
5x lava golems
2x lycans
2x forest spirit
2x momentum
1x arsenic (just because I have it)
I get a good ratio using this deck and its also fast, provided you don't get a bad draw
6+6+5+5+2+2+2+1= 29 cards!
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Add an Immolation and a Golem and take out a Nova.
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if we're talking about good top50 grind decks i think the pillarless rush is good starting place for those with a few upgraded cards
this is how I run it
6x photons
6x novas
5x immolations (upgraded to cremation asap)
5x lava golems
2x lycans
2x forest spirit
2x momentum
1x arsenic (just because I have it)
I get a good ratio using this deck and its also fast, provided you don't get a bad draw
What mark is it?
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:earthmark
For the Golems.
Happy farming. I use a variant of this deck, and it works very well.
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:earthmark
For the Golems.
Happy farming. I use a variant of this deck, and it works very well.
Nice deck icybraker. What is the variant that you use?
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8 towers is fine with this setup [...] because you only need 24 total death quanta to play your whole deck.
Well, the problem I see is not total quanta but starting quanta. Standing there with only one or two towers makes you really slow (at least with my variant, but I don't see how it's much more different with this).
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Thanks, looks good, though I didn't have the time to try it yet.
No problem i'll put up the farm later on Monday probably.
Finally I got everything ;) Thanks a ton <3
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Well, the problem I see is not total quanta but starting quanta. Standing there with only one or two towers makes you really slow (at least with my variant, but I don't see how it's much more different with this).
The difference is that i don't need quanta to fuel physalia's and i believe you added a bonewall to your deck making quanta even tighter. Trust me, quanta is not a problem at all. You really just need to try it out. What's funny is that i've had a reverse discussion with someone saying that 8 towers are too much (which i somewhat agree with but i would only take out 1 tower at most) .
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I ended up with something similar to what's already been said.
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This deck often wins by very little against fully upgraded top 50s, but it usually wins. Interestingly enough, out of the ~25 games I've played, I've never had a truly horrible start. I've always gotten damage out in the first 2, one time as long as 3, turns. That said, very often on my first turn I start doing damage, and the rainbow decks are usually at or around 50 health when they start playing damage/healing cards. One guy had a deck entirely composed of darkness+ amethyst pillars and dark+purple nymphs, the idea behind which was to reverse my creatures' damage and heal him, and then liquid shadow them to deal ME damage. Of course, immolation gets around this quite nicely, but killing any of my own creatures that get infected thusly before they even damage me/heal him, and the AI infects creatures with very little health and his own creatures often enough that out of the 3 times I faced this deck I won 2 with EM.
Overall statistics with this deck:
23 wins
11 Elemental masteries (about half to farms)
2 losses (both due to bad draw+enemy having many shields+creature control).
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I'm experimenting with this deck at the moment :
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How does the deck work?
You need to draw at least one tower (which usually happens thanks to the mulligan), play a creature, cremate it, and if everything goes well, play all the remaining cards in your hand from that as soon as turn 1-2.
If you have a choice, always use cremate on the phoenix, and keep the brimstone eater alive...it produces extra quanta and damage.
The deck has some advantages over other golem decks :
-The phoenixes are very hard to kill, so even after a firestorm, or quinted otyugh, you are likely to win the game.
-There are many creatures so bone wall, or losing a few golems isn't a problem.
-Unlike golem decks, here, even if you don't draw a golem early, you have other creatures that can win you a game. A phoenix actually does damage unlike sparks/rays.
-If you draw lots of cremations and golems, but only one phoenix, no problem, you can sacrifice it any number of times, unlike sparks/rays which are fro one use only.
-Your already sacrificed phoenixes will revive and keep doing damage even after being "used up" for cremations.
What I'm unsure about at the moment, is how many of each card to include :
Towers or Explosions.
About the only way this deck can lose is not drawing any towers in the first 1-2 turns. Mulligan helps, so that is rare, but unfortunately still happens more than I want it to.
However, certain shields or weapons can be a major problem, and going below two explosions seems too risky...
Towers or Brimstone Eaters
Same as above...you can't play anything unless you draw at least one tower, but some eaters are necessary to increase the chance of having a creature available for cremate on turn 1-2.
Gavel or Farenheit
In case of a draw with few/no golems, Fahreinheit can be superior, but on average draws, the gavel is better, as it costs far less (essentially 0 because you don't pay fire for it). I think Gavel is the better choice at the moment.
Fire Nymph...happens to be my only nymph...it's a very good card, and can kill any creatures for you, or even boost your golems. Unfortunately neither the deck size, not the quanta seems to be enough to add it, and it's not that offensive, either.
Might worth inclusion if more rush decks go into top 50, but all I see is mainly rainbows, where the nymph isn't too useful.
Fire buckler...is good when there are a large number of Rol/Fractal decks, but useless otherwise.
The deck obviously doesn't work without being fully upgraded.
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As previously stated, by lots of people.
A strong one is:
6x immo
6x lava golem
6x nova
as for the 12last they variate alot, but most people do 6x nova and the last one, might consider some creature control or something?
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this is my deck for t50
5fa 5oi 5oi 5ro 5up 5up 621 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rm 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u6 717 71b 71b 74b 77f 7al 7am 7gv 7jq 7n3 7q5 7q5 80d
tell me wath you think abaut
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I use terrokings pesty FG deck.
only lost twice outa about 100 times *not including farm*
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I would like to use the water/poison deck. What should I upgrade first? I'm a little wary of upping the towers first, b/c I intend to move to FG's after farming t50 for a while, and bone towers aren't as useful there.
nvm. I tried out a partially upped version in trainer. It was horrible. Most of the time I just ended up with 6 freezes in my hand that I couldn't use, and way too many death quanta. There was no permanent control and little creature control. imo, this deck needs major revisions, or at least a disclaimer saying, "Individual results may vary."
Perhaps the earth deck would be better. If I had 3 pulvys.
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Currently I'm using this deck for t50 and its pretty fast and i can't complain:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fb 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5ur 7dp 7ds
However, I'm starting to get a bit bored of this deck and i'm looking for a faster and/or more fun/new deck that I can use effectively for t50 also, if you have any suggestions on how to upgrade this deck let me know (i know fire shield isnt useful for rushes but there's a lot of RoL/Hope decks out there lately)
--btw, I dont want to up any cards so if you have a deck suggestion make sure it's unupped unless it needs elite otys (i have two) or animate weps (2 as well)...i also have most rares (except nymphs) (also none of my shards are upped)...
...thanks for any advice/suggestions
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I like that it isn't heavily upped. However, the trainer doesn't seen to be recognizing the code.
You copy the code and paste it in the box when you click on "Import/Export," right?
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I use terrokings pesty FG deck.
only lost twice outa about 100 times *not including farm*
Really? I tried using it and honestly does not seem that good for the T50. I went 4-2 with it (3 were farms though) and it seems very, very susceptible to bad draws. If i didn't play a farm in two of those games i most likely would have been 2-4 since in one i didn't draw a creature til turn 10 or 11 and the other draw was equally as bad.
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I'm still testing decks but right now I like a nice speed Poison deck or a simple Life rush which I can usually get a good Em with it
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Which up deck is now worthy to build against T50?
There are now so many RoL/Hopes and rainbows currently that i can't even decide, any proposals?
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Which up deck is now worthy to build against T50?
There are now so many RoL/Hopes and rainbows currently that i can't even decide, any proposals?
I personally like Jangoo's speed rainbow. I do have a lightning storm in there for RoL/Hope decks. I typically run it without it unless i know there are a few RoL/Hope decks out there. It EM's pretty nicely (58%) and i have a winrate of 85% in over 425 games.
Deck code: 4vm 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 713 74f 74f 74f 77f 77f 77g 7ah 7dq 7gv 7ju 7n1 7n3 7q7 7t9 7t9 7t9 80b
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I personally find these 2 very good
The reason to have 2 is because you want to use a different one on a different day
Why? On times with alot of farms, e.g Sunday and late hours, a speed non-EM farmer is definitely better because EM is pretty much inbuilt when you are fighting a farm. On days where there are not much farms, you want a better EM deck to help you gain more electrum and score
So, the speed one
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 6u1 6u1 71a 74a 74a 74a 77g 77g 7ae 7ae 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq
The EM one
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Speed poison also works very well, and handles most rainbows and Hope decks easily enough. I had great results with it, even unupped.
Just be careful of when you play Arsenic, if you use it.
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this is my, is not the best but is funny
5fa 5oi 5oi 5ro 5up 5up 621 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rm 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u6 717 71b 71b 74b 77f 7al 7am 7gv 7jq 7n3 7q5 7q5 80d
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@yaladilae: Please check the source code for your deck. Nothing comes up when I post that code in trainer.
I don't like the speed one. Maybe It's just b/c there weren't many farms out at the time the trainer was last modified,or just because I'm new to fighting T50. Perhaps you could post some pointers for people who use that deck.
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4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 590 590 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5if 5if 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5ogI mainly use this, and slight mods of it, its totally unupped and works really good =)
Thanks to Yala for the deck :D
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hi Svenningen,
i've tried your deck ( a slight modification of it)
-2 mindflyer
-1 fog shield
+1 nova
+2 brimston eater (the only two upped cards) +1 red mana every turn - helps to cast lava golems
i don't understand why you put those defensive card in such a fast deck,
were you defending against something particular?
tnx!!!
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hi Svenningen,
i've tried your deck ( a slight modification of it)
-2 mindflyer
-1 fog shield
+1 nova
+2 brimston eater (the only two upped cards) +1 red mana every turn - helps to cast lava golems
i don't understand why you put those defensive card in such a fast deck,
were you defending against something particular?
tnx!!!
Mind flayer is insane against mirror match or oty, its so awesome
Fog shield is against other rusher, you get an slight advantage
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my purpose for this type of deck is t50 rare farming,
so i don't think i can gain any useful rares out of a win against a mirror deck or a rusher (mono green? which i can easily beat even without fog :P)
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The EM deck by Yala is very good, but costly. As for the unupped deck presented by Sven/Yala, it's alright, but loses frequently.
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The EM deck by Yala is very good, but costly. As for the unupped deck presented by Sven/Yala, it's alright, but loses frequently.
I tried that deck and I was losing quite consistently. In turn I made a mono-grav deck that wins 80%+ of the time and around 75%+ of those wins are EM's.
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mono-aether I'm using (classic one)
beats nearly everyone and only has a few cons which can be modified out by adding extra cards
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In turn I made a mono-grav deck that wins 80%+ of the time and around 75%+ of those wins are EM's.
What is that deck?
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In turn I made a mono-grav deck that wins 80%+ of the time and around 75%+ of those wins are EM's.
What is that deck?
Basic saphire charges/black hole mono-grav. With so many decks in the t50 being rainbows(speed or otherwise) this deck usually destroys them.
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I use this deck against T50:
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This deck also works with -1 discord +1 Antimatter.
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4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 74e 77g 7ae 7ae 7dh 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7q1
just wanted to drop my variation for t50 speed grinding...
this decks looks fun to me and very fast, i've tried to well balance it as much as i can, still not so sure about the elite Deja vu, but it can be easily duplicated and also early meat for cremation.
try it on the trainer and give me some feedback ^_^
(it's not fully upped, some card are not required to be upped in this eviroment, the gain is minimal)
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I only did 5 games with this deck, but it worked really well. 4 wins and 1 loss, and I'm new to t50 farming. It's fast and effective. I was facing a fully upped graboid/shrieker rush deck, and this deck was faster.
I want this deck. As soon as I get 24000+ quanta. (have about 10000 now)
Semi-related Question - Can you win upgraded cards?
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I only did 5 games with this deck, but it worked really well. 4 wins and 1 loss, and I'm new to t50 farming. It's fast and effective. I was facing a fully upped graboid/shrieker rush deck, and this deck was faster.
I want this deck. As soon as I get 24000+ quanta. (have about 10000 now)
Semi-related Question - Can you win upgraded cards?
yes you can :D
Half-Bloods (AI5) have a chancce of spinning upgraded cards (I think is 10% or something)
Also False-Gods AI6 every card you win is upgraded :D but that means you have to beat them first >_<
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I only did 5 games with this deck, but it worked really well. 4 wins and 1 loss, and I'm new to t50 farming. It's fast and effective. I was facing a fully upped graboid/shrieker rush deck, and this deck was faster.
I want this deck. As soon as I get 24000+ quanta. (have about 10000 now)
Semi-related Question - Can you win upgraded cards?
No, you can not win upgradded cards fighting t50
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t50 farm is more suited if you need rare cards (shards, weapons, etc)
to win against gods or half blood a fast deck like mine is not suggested :P
also my variation deck can grin d AI3 pretty well, and 4 turn win is not uncommon
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I suggest you use a speed rainbow, at least this is what I use:
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i'd make some changes to your deck...
10 quantum towers+6 supernovas are too much for a deck that has no control and has to be FAST...
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i assume t50 is better than fg right? t50 gives upgraded cards right?
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t50 normally gives rares (weapons, shards)
NOT upgraded cards...
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I am using this for T50
778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77a 77a 77a 77a 77a 77a 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77j 77j 77j 77j 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4Rewind and Quicksands can handle much situations. Golems can endure/resist FireShield, Oty´s, Firerain, all other spells,etc.... better than Shrieker can. They are cheaper, thus you can reduce amounts of Towers and put something else in. I increased the number of Rewinds and Quicksand from 3 to 4. Unupped you have to take some rewinds out and change Golems with Shrieker.
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this for AI5
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Simple reason,
no creatures --> AI5 cant use cards-->AI5 wont draw 2 cards
AI5 dont have much perm control
Fahrenheit attacks after SoG healed you
you can attack in 2 ways
t50 normally gives rares (weapons, shards)
NOT upgraded cards...
T50 is better getting certain rares. FG´s are better getting upped card and money with selling. When you have luck you even get a rare you need for your next deck.
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Would your AI5 work without the SoG's?
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No, but without upped Firelance, although you will do less damage, especially with low quanta and its not so easy to calculate with 3 quanta costs as with only 1.
Too, I prefer farming FG´s (for money) or T50 (for rares). AI5 wont give you really much since AI5 has much cards, but upped and un-upped cards...(at least I only won few cards from AI5)
I got really much money with http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8602.0.html
I play it with -1fractal -2shards -1electrocutor+1tower
The only thing you really need are the RoL´s
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I can't build a lot of these decks because I don't have SoG/SoD. That's why I need to farm T50.
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Then start with something like:
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 591 591 591 593 593 593 593 5rk 5rkUpgrade it:
First Rewind
Then Graboid
Then Quicksands
Then maybe Shrieker or changing with SteelGolems
Towers
At least I started with this deck and upgraded it to that mod I already posted.
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If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
one really annoying weakness is the snipering owls eye....
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If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
one really annoying weakness is the snipering owls eye....
which tbh are rarely seen imo
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one really annoying weakness is the snipering owls eye....
which tbh are rarely seen imo
Theres usually a decent amount of EE's in the t50 but I don't see how that is an annoying weakness to a speed poison deck. You don't need the physalia to do your damage, yea they help but it's not a crucial part of the deck. I've been using my speed poison deck longer than any other decks I use, I love it!
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There might be slightly more of a problem now.
It appears that the T50 is jammed with RoL + Hope decks as well, but what if wings + web becomes a godkiller? The T50 could fill up with them. So I think all T50 decks should either pack permanent control or creature control. Straight on shrieker or mono life rushes might not work so well anymore.
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there is only a few RoL/Hope decks, I've only seen 3 so far, not like all 50 are ^^
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RoF is essential to fighting t50. RoL+Hope decks. Phase Recluse Rush decks. Scarabs. RoF can destroy them. I'm using guy_fawkes deck on pg.14 with some slight mods. Is there a way I can add 1or 2 fire storms without destroying the stategy? (The strategy is to Immolate photons to play Lava destroyers and various cheap damage dealers) I'm not opposed to adding more cards, just so long as it doesn't upset the balance of quanta gain and quanta drain.
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Nice deck crimsonflippa. I face you in t50 a lot and the deck is really hard to beat. I'm not sure if I've ever won against it.
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Can a typical mono aether defeat T50?
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Can a typical mono aether defeat T50?
Depends. In general, it has too much shielding to be a good t50 deck, as most t50 decks rely on speed.
i.e. the rainbow decks, scarabs, RoL Hopes all need to 'start up'. If you get them beforehand, they're harmless.
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RoL+Hope decks can get going in 3-5 turns. With an immortal shield that blocks all damage, and a few SoGs to circumvent any poison damage, all it takes is a light dragon to do you in. Course, an RoF can send the whole thing to its knees. Which bring me back to my first post today.
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Thats part of the reason fractal charger is still my fav t50 deck :P. It has no issue at all with rol/hope, as chargers have momentum. Even if they get an early electrocutor, I just have to delay long enough to play about 4-6 chargers in a turn to bring them down quickly (I have 4 phase shields which rol/hope cant get through :P).
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The problem I didn't like with mono aether is that once the hope counter goes above 8...well, your hopeless.
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Gaahhh! My post keeps getting ignored!
How can I modify guy_fawkes deck on p.14 to add Fire Storms? Should I swap out two Lava Destroyers or add 1 more pair of immolation/Photon and then put in 2 Fire Storms? Or is there a better way? I'd rather not switch to a different deck because I do not have the electrum to upgrade twenty more cards.
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i'd play +2 Thunderstorm -1 nova -1 deja vu
if your main concern are rol hope decks, the Thunderstorm could do the trick, because air quanta is unused while the 5 fire quanta is crucial to cast destroyers :D
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Nice deck crimsonflippa. I face you in t50 a lot and the deck is really hard to beat. I'm not sure if I've ever won against it.
Well those days are going to be history, since I will become a farm for a long time.
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@guy_fawkes: Thanks. I changed it, and it seems to be working a bit better. Upgrading the Arsenic is a good idea, too. It's helped me win quite a few times. The graviton Firemaster doesn't seem to fit in well. It is a rush deck, after all. I 'm thinking about replacing him with an oty. Or is he supposed to be cremation food?
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i'll tell you,
i am using an upgraded version right now, it works pretty good, see if you have the money to waste on this : ^_^
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the unstoppable work great against shields, and it can be used on bal llightning to have 6/1 momentumed creature :)
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i'll tell you,
i am using an upgraded version right now, it works pretty good, see if you have the money to waste on this : ^_^
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the unstoppable work great against shields, and it can be used on bal llightning to have 6/1 momentumed creature :)
yea a deck like this works really good vs t50...mine has RoL's instead of BoL's since i already had those and mine has -1 phoenix, -1 frog, -1 brimstone, +1 fog, +1 imp blessing, +1 elite deja vu
...basically the idea is nova + creamation = 2 golems and then you just use whatever rainbow cards you want as fillers
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game against a rol hope with perfect hand (2 RoL, 3rd turn fractal and hope, then another fractal)
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/927/rolhope.png)
WIN!! :D
and two turn faster than a graboid/rush deck :D
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4750/srhiek.png)
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The reason you won the 2nd battle was because AI was stupid and burrowed shriekers :P
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If I look at the 2nd image I dont think that he won because of burrow. Just 2 Shrieker are burrowed and he still has 37HP. With at least 8 attacks burrowed it would be the case, but its turn 5.
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The reason you won the 2nd battle was because AI was stupid and burrowed shriekers :P
if you think the AI is stupid then you are stupid!! if you look it is not the AI playing, he is infact playing PvP as the person's name is in the top right corner, 3d house of beef
so YOU FAIL!
/waits for silentshadow to facepalm
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Is this a joke Ant-n-ero?
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Is this a joke Ant-n-ero?
nvm, it's top50 isn't it >_< *face palm's self* my bad, I've had no sleep for the last 2 1/2 days :L
/me goes to sleep
tbh it was a fair assumption (sp?), i just didn't see the thread title as I was watching videos in another screen overlapping so I wasn't really paying attention :L
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I wasnt sure whether its ironic or not. :))
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no lol, pure error >_<
I am such a smart cookie :L :-X
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I use this version for t50 now and i like how it works a bit better then my previous version i was using. It's a variant off of Jangoo's. The EM rate is pretty high and pulled off 37 straight wins last night (yeah it was Sunday night's lineup) until i hit my own deck and got EMed... how embarrassing.
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AI plays Shriekers very defensively, and thus very poorly, thus that screenie above.
Shrieker deck works very well for Top50, very fast, very simple. Minute to a minute and a half games are very common. I've played a lot of decks grinding Top50, which is what I do most, and it seems the most efficient for me.
Shrieker is also fast to build from a starter deck, to farm AI3, then once you're about half upgraded you can start farming Top50. It's also so simple, grinding is boring, and having a deck that you don't have to think too much about is helpful when you're going other things at the same time. I chat, or play games on my other PC while I grind out games. More complex decks are much more fun when I am focused on playing, but simple decks lead to less play errors on my part when I am distracted or interrupted.
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Ive tried many of the decks on this board, but strange as it seems the one that works best was Scaredgirl's AI3 Unupped Pillarless Grind. I reccomend trying it, You might wanna tweak it a little bit like i did though.:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6298.0.html
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Ive tried many of the decks on this board, but strange as it seems the one that works best was Scaredgirl's AI3 Unupped Pillarless Grind. I reccomend trying it, You might wanna tweak it a little bit like i did though.:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6298.0.html
u stole the letters from my keyboard :P Thats FOR SURE the best TOP50 downer ive ever played. In less then 7 days , i upgraded 24 cards with it :D :D try to get lava golems, immolations and dragons upped, it works WAY better then. Cheers Scaredgirl !
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Ive tried many of the decks on this board, but strange as it seems the one that works best was Scaredgirl's AI3 Unupped Pillarless Grind. I reccomend trying it, You might wanna tweak it a little bit like i did though.:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6298.0.html
u stole the letters from my keyboard :P Thats FOR SURE the best TOP50 downer ive ever played. In less then 7 days , i upgraded 24 cards with it :D :D try to get lava golems, immolations and dragons upped, it works WAY better then. Cheers Scaredgirl !
Upping the dragons isn't necessarily better. Most would argue that the additional 2 :fire quanta is not worth the extra 3 damage.
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I agree with Mr.Blonde, i replaced my dragons with pheonixes and i put a mind flayer in there.
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do you think that pillarless decks are good for t50 farming?
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do you think that pillarless decks are good for t50 farming?
Speed rainbows are quite effective.
Upgraded is more effective, though.
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I use this version for t50 now and i like how it works a bit better then my previous version i was using. It's a variant off of Jangoo's. The EM rate is pretty high and pulled off 37 straight wins last night (yeah it was Sunday night's lineup) until i hit my own deck and got EMed... how embarrassing.
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Would that work unupped? Or partially upped? If it does work partially upped what are the best things to upgrade, (This deck looks good and im curious.)
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I use this version for t50 now and i like how it works a bit better then my previous version i was using. It's a variant off of Jangoo's. The EM rate is pretty high and pulled off 37 straight wins last night (yeah it was Sunday night's lineup) until i hit my own deck and got EMed... how embarrassing.
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Would that work unupped? Or partially upped? If it does work partially upped what are the best things to upgrade, (This deck looks good and im curious.)
Supernovas, Flesh Recluse, Ulitharid, and Elite Queen do much better upgraded.
Supernovas are probably the only MUST though.
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Yeah makes sense, SuperNova is like twice as good upgraded (Even if it does cost 2 :entropy ) And FFQ is good for the fire generating fireflies. Thanx Sethia (If i can call you that :P )
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I actually made one more alteration and swapped the Elite Deja Vu for an hourglass. The deck itself is not the fastest but the EM and win percentage are very nice and counters most decks. The deck that gives it the most trouble are lava golem decks. Especially the one with 2-3 crimson dragons, 4 ball lightnings, and 3-4 phoenix's.
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I actually made one more alteration and swapped the Elite Deja Vu for an hourglass. The deck itself is not the fastest but the EM and win percentage are very nice and counters most decks. The deck that gives it the most trouble are lava golem decks. Especially the one with 2-3 crimson dragons, 4 ball lightnings, and 3-4 phoenix's.
Been running a lose version of this and it works quite well especially against why bother which is alot of the t50. I usually dont have much trouble against golems, but more so against RoL. If they get a hope down its time to pack it up. It also has trouble with green rush, without life gain or cc it just cant keep up without a really good draw.
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I actually made one more alteration and swapped the Elite Deja Vu for an hourglass. The deck itself is not the fastest but the EM and win percentage are very nice and counters most decks. The deck that gives it the most trouble are lava golem decks. Especially the one with 2-3 crimson dragons, 4 ball lightnings, and 3-4 phoenix's.
Been running a lose version of this and it works quite well especially against why bother which is alot of the t50. I usually dont have much trouble against golems, but more so against RoL. If they get a hope down its time to pack it up. It also has trouble with green rush, without life gain or cc it just cant keep up without a really good draw.
RoL decks can be trouble but an early discord or early ulitharid really help. Typically if i can i steal the lobotomizer and TU my ulitharid. Also using your Blackholes to prevent a Hope coming out or a fractal from going off also really help. Yeah and green rush does give this deck a bit of trouble. You really do need a good draw or an early discord to win this matchup.
I've used a lot of different decks and this one percent wise works the best for me and the EM's are probably what keep me using it (since it is a bit slower then other rush decks).
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If you could add RoF's, Fire Shields, or even Thunderstorms, Lava Golem, Rainbow (FFQ/Fireflies) and RoL/Hope decks could be shot down.
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I really love most if not all the decks in this thread but what a lot of you don't seem to get is that most people don't have the money or time to upgrade 30 cards. Also many of these decks have rare cards that many people don't have which is why they're grinding t50. So i have 2 questions:
1. What is the best un-upgraded deck for grinding t-50 that doesn't involve many rare cards (1-2 is essentially ok)?
2. Are the decks from the beginning of this thread, that were made a long time ago, still good for t-50 grinding?
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I really love most if not all the decks in this thread but what a lot of you don't seem to get is that most people don't have the money or time to upgrade 30 cards. Also many of these decks have rare cards that many people don't have which is why they're grinding t50. So i have 2 questions:
1. What is the best un-upgraded deck for grinding t-50 that doesn't involve many rare cards (1-2 is essentially ok)?
2. Are the decks from the beginning of this thread, that were made a long time ago, still good for t-50 grinding?
You can really grind for rares with any deck, you just need to figure out which people have their farms on and quit other matches if you dont care about your record. As for best un-upped decks go here http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8813.0.html I like vreely t50 killer and a few of the speedbows on there
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Upgrading at least part of a deck can really help. You should only move on to T50 after you have ground AI3 enough to upgrade a few cards.
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I've been using a speed rainbow (originally based on terroking's version) that has morphed over time. Lately I added Wings and Improved Anti-Matter to counter Life Rush and CC Why Bother Decks. Sometimes I add a Liquid Shadow to replace one Improved Steal. I just use the Unstable Gas for fun really, though it does help with ROL Hope sometimes.
On an interesting side note, I had 2 Mirror Matches today (Huzzah for me), I beat myself once and got killed by Unstable gas once too.
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I've been using a speed rainbow (originally based on terroking's version) that has morphed over time. Lately I added Wings and Improved Anti-Matter to counter Life Rush and CC Why Bother Decks. Sometimes I add a Liquid Shadow to replace one Improved Steal. I just use the Unstable Gas for fun really, though it does help with ROL Hope sometimes.
On an interesting side note, I had 2 Mirror Matches today (Huzzah for me), I beat myself once and got killed by Unstable gas once too.
Using 2 wings might be better. Wings can block a lot of monsters such as the Giant Frog and Cockatrice rush and a golem rush. I'd replace the UG with it and take out the heal for a solid 30-card speedbow.
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I've been using a speed rainbow (originally based on terroking's version) that has morphed over time. Lately I added Wings and Improved Anti-Matter to counter Life Rush and CC Why Bother Decks. Sometimes I add a Liquid Shadow to replace one Improved Steal. I just use the Unstable Gas for fun really, though it does help with ROL Hope sometimes.
On an interesting side note, I had 2 Mirror Matches today (Huzzah for me), I beat myself once and got killed by Unstable gas once too.
Using 2 wings might be better. Wings can block a lot of monsters such as the Giant Frog and Cockatrice rush and a golem rush. I'd replace the UG with it and take out the heal for a solid 30-card speedbow.
I'll give that a go. However, I really like using 31 card decks, even when I was into MTG I had trouble with keeping a deck to 45 cards minimum ;)
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I would remove the UG for another set of wings or a fog.
I would remove the pulvy for another grab and use the steals to gain a weapon. Remove the specte, because it paralyzes ur water usage and it takes up some life, and include an epipherine instead, now this card is brilliant. Focus ur epi on your charger and TU it, thats 30dmg through shields :D
Just noted there was no TU :(
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I would remove the UG for another set of wings or a fog.
I would remove the pulvy for another grab and use the steals to gain a weapon. Remove the specte, because it paralyzes ur water usage and it takes up some life, and include an epipherine instead, now this card is brilliant. Focus ur epi on your charger and TU it, thats 30dmg through shields :D
Just noted there was no TU :(
Yeah actually, I do use 2 sets of Wings some times, I just like having the UG for a lark. The Pulvy came in after I compared it to the original discord I was using, coupled with the finding that the number of decks using multiple shards was quite high, I've come to rely on it for either an early lock or mid-game save. I will try it without the spectre though, and give Epi and TU a go, though I have tried them out before though not at the same time. I've also fiddled with Unstoppable and some shields. I find that in T50 I wind up battling the same 10 to 12 decks so I customize as I go.
Anyway, thanks for the advice, its always fun to try new things out.
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I use this deck with good results. Its the fastest deck in the game and blitzes T50 quite nicely.
V2-- fire tweaked to max speed
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I just blew all my money on a hope deck to farm fg but (unsurprisingly) it doesn't have quite as much power as my rainbow. I'm now trying to farm t50 but I need a really fast and effective deck. Right now I'm running fractal phoenix but I'm consistently losing to frog rush and vampire decks (as well as the odd few with shields). Is there a faster but just as reliable deck? My deck is much slower than I anticipated (I'd be lucky to win in 10 turns). Thanks!
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I upped a lot of cards to be able to bring in the pulverzier in an earth/gravity deck. It doesn't work too well with only 4 basalt dragons as damage dealers... so I just made a basic deck with 13 pillars, 10 main attackers and the pulv/enchant stuff (6) and 1 shield. It still uses the pulverizer but it can field some critters when I'm cornered...
Antimatter is just murder on a deck with 4 dragons, so now I can bring some golems first to take all the spells and stuff.
I kept some dragons in. They are not very good but I do like the colour. It seems their passive skill is airborn, which is not on the card. I may use them again with no pulverizer against the ''wing shield.''
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This is what I use:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9542.0.html
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It is cheap and uses no rares or upgraded cards. It doesn't win every time but wins enough and fast to be quite effective for those that do not have the cards for some of the other decks on here. It also plows through farms quickly saving you time.
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The way I see it, permanent removal is the key to beating any rainbow deck out there. If you have a protected Pulverizer, you will most likely win.
This is what I would use: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,321.0.html)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4454/antigodcards.jpg)
Mark of Gravity.
But the problem of course is that you need 2-3 Pulverizers and most players don't even have one. If you don't have Pulverizer, then Explosion is the only other option (like what ElementalGod has there).
I personally wouldn't take Fahrenheit or Fire Bucker because they will get stolen for sure. Fahrenheit is not a big deal but that shield will kill your own critters fast. If you don't have Protect Artifact, safest way is to not take any extra permanents.
If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6782/poisonw.jpg)
Mark of Water.
This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.
what would the win % be with the pulvy deck please?
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The Pulvy deck doesn't work as well as it used to, since the ability cost increased from 1 :gravity to 2 :gravity. It would probably work ok, but you might be better off with some earth pendulums instead of earth towers. Also, like somebody else said, Antimatter hurts this deck really bad, and it's a really popular card. Personally I'd just skip the pulvy deck and go with something faster, since rush decks are everywhere, and I'm not too sure how it'd work against those...
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I guess I should ask first, which is faster for getting weapon rares, AI3 or t50? If t50 is faster, what's the best deck for fast (and preferably mindless, so I can multitask) grinding against t50? I know most of those decks are counter-FG decks so that would have to be the main consideration. Thanks.
PS: The weapons I really want are Eternity and Pulverizer. I don't really care about the others as much.
You know Dragoon ... looking back your 2009 post is kind of cute ...