Weeping Angel | Weeping Angel

[GG]

quick answers-
its not a random creature like fate egg, it stays a weeping angel with set (really good, relatively) stats, the word "random" was not used in the text.

In that case, you probably should mention the attack/def of the creature form.

A side note... this card might actually be better named as Gargoyle (even though it already exists in game...) since it is known to shift between the creature and the petrified state (permanent).

[moomoose]

yeah, i had thought about that, but the nerdy dr who reference is kind of fun.  there is room for a deck with both gargoyles and weeping angels

the atk|hp is mentioned in the notes, and is not... set in stone- no pun intended.

[Rutarete]

This is a really great and clever card!
Perhaps 7/7 for stats?

Also if you buff it while it's a creature, and then a few turns later it goes to a permanent, and back into a creature again, what happens to the buff?

[Pineapple]

1. Can the creature form be fractaled? If so, then do all the copies turn into permanents when uncloaked?
2. If a mass-effect spell such as Firestorm is used, does the creature form lose 3 HP before turning into a permanent? When you use cloak, does it have a new set of original stats or will the stats be affected by previous spells?

[fenix2011]

I love the concept Moomoose..
I figure it should 'heal/refresh' when it becomes a permanent again.. so it should be like a new card each time it is played (i.e. buffs dont persist, but neither does poison ect).
The fractal part is harder.. maybe it should be non-targetable? its not like the enemy should ever see it.. and that prevents the buff problem too

[Hyroen]

This should probably not have too much health such that an AoE damaging card can wipe them out. Perhaps even 1 health?

[moomoose]

good point on fractal- yes, it could be fractaled and those payed to play would come into play as permanents before switching to creatures at the end of the turn.  after cloak goes away, those creatures also turn to permanents. 

the only status/effect that maintains the creature/permanent transition is immaterial/protect artifact (which will appear in both forms), all other alterations are removed upon switching.  if a creature version is damaged but not destroyed, goes to a perm, goes back to a creature again, it will have its base stats.  same goes if you decide to antimatter your creature for whatever reason, the attack will be reset after the swap to perm and swap back to creature.

im not quite sure about making them untargetable as creatures, that would ruin rain of fire and such from being able to destroy them, leaving just fire shield and thorn shield as effective means of killing them in creature form.

[The_Mormegil]

Any AoE effectively "kills" these, as Cloak expires. Also, any non-AoE form of CC wouldn't work. PC kills them, but you might be better off with targetting Cloak instead.

[moomoose]

good point on AE spells killing cloak, forgot about that.  and PCs are a one-shot kill on them as permanents, indeed.

[Pineapple]

those payed to play would come into play as permanents before switching to creatures at the end of the turn.

Hmm?

1. Is the fractal'd card Weeping Angel (in the permanent form, as shown as opposed to an entirely new creature card)?
2. When playing Weeping Angels you built into your deck while cloak is in play, do they turn into creatures at the end of the turn or do they turn into creatures once they're played (like nightfall)?

[moomoose]

fractaling creatures copies of the weeping angel card, which always starts as a permanent. they do not immediately go into play as a creature if there is already cloak in place, ill add it to the notes in a bit

[gumbeh]

fractaling creatures copies of the weeping angel card, which always starts as a permanent. they do not immediately go into play as a creature if there is already cloak in place, ill add it to the notes in a bit

That's probably a good idea. Fractal has enough abuse cases already. We don't need Fractal Weeping Angel OTKs. Besides, that's the same thing that happens when you Fractal a Weapon, right?

PU, though... I don't see a problem with it directly copying the creature. What does everyone else think?
Regarding the discussion of CC - RoF already destroys cloak, and Fire has access to Deflag and Fire Shield if the player really wants to kill the Angel.

Pandemonium doesn't get much use or love, however. What if the Angel had 4 hp so that players could get lucky with the occasional Pandemonium-based Shockwave or Lightning? That would make pandemonium finally have a nice instance where RoF isn't the superior choice by default.