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Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190683#msg1190683
« on: May 26, 2015, 12:48:08 pm »
NAME:
Useless Vermin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shuffle five Relics into target player's Deck.
NAME:
Useless Infestation
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Shuffle five Giant Frogs into target player's Deck.

ART:

IDEA:
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NOTES:
Go go... Eternal Vermin?

I thought ghostmare could have a variant, so let's clog someone's hand up with relics. Good if you're about to deck out, good if you're an annoying life stall, good if you don't want to scavenge all of those frogs out of your deck.

Not that useless, all things considered.
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Vermin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190695#msg1190695
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 02:19:33 pm »
This is actually pretty good. Really well-balanced imo, and an awesome effect.
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Vermin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190699#msg1190699
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 03:01:21 pm »
Um...well...yeah.

Perhaps rename upped to simply Vermin, since it's less useless?
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Vermin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190700#msg1190700
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 03:02:21 pm »
Frogs aren't vermin.

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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Vermin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190701#msg1190701
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 03:07:35 pm »
they're not vermin, no, then why did you put horned frogs in the upped version, and what if the opponent is using life? that would only give them usable creatures, so... not very useless
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Vermin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190719#msg1190719
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 04:53:44 pm »
they're not vermin, no, then why did you put horned frogs in the upped version, and what if the opponent is using life? that would only give them usable creatures, so... not very useless

Yeah, on second thought, saying they're not vermin just makes the problem even sillier.

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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190720#msg1190720
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2015, 05:02:13 pm »
Edited. Calling it useless infestation because I think the useless part is kinda funny based on the irony.

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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190723#msg1190723
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2015, 06:07:33 pm »
The offensive usage of the upgraded version is weaker than the unupped version. (Frogs are more useful than Relics)
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190743#msg1190743
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 09:10:20 pm »
The offensive usage of the upgraded version is weaker than the unupped version. (Frogs are more useful than Relics)

This is true.
The defensive usage, however, is also stronger, because frogs are more useful than relics.

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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190775#msg1190775
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2015, 02:32:55 am »
5 stars!
cant wait to try this card in game.

Useless Vermin offers a new gameplay of disrupting opponent deck strategy.
When Useless Vermin is used more than once, it still offers more profits in disrupting opponent.

Useless Infestation offers a double way gameplay, you can give yourself Elite Horned Frogs to
change your deck into a rush deck but still possible to disrupt opponent deck instead.

opponent deck disruption + change own deck form into rush.

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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190782#msg1190782
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2015, 02:50:09 am »
Aimed at the self, 'Useless' Infestation easily let one circumvent the 6-copy clause creatures have and/or buy some time from the creeping deckout. Aimed at an enemy without source of Life quanta, UV/UI will screw it.

The extra five Relics/Giant Frogs are placed into the target player's deck, regardless if the deck contained 0, 5, 15, or 50 cards, am I correct?
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Re: Useless Vermin | Useless Infestation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58464.msg1190801#msg1190801
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 03:41:11 am »
The thing to remember about the 6-copy rule is that, when people complain about that rule being broken, they point to Fractal.
The problem with fractal is that it puts them into your hand. If fractal shuffled 8 copies of it into your deck, it would be much, much weaker.

And you are correct, Basman - it's just five copies shuffled into your whatever is currently in your deck.

 

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