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Title: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Xenocidius on December 30, 2011, 07:06:05 am

(http://i.imgur.com/HZrHA.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/AAXKs.png)
NAME: Shard of Endurance ELEMENT: Other COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Increase your shield's damage reduction by 1. If mark is :earth, increase your max HP by 1 each turn.	NAME: Shard of Endurance ELEMENT: Other COST: 3 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Increase your shield's damage reduction by 1. If mark is :earth, increase your max HP by 1 each turn.

ART: Kuroaitou (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28847) IDEA: Xenocidius NOTES: Your shield does not need to have damage reduction before you use this shard. Your shield only reduces extra damage while this card is in play. This is obviously Earth's shard, and perfectly fits the theme of Earth and endurance. If your mark is :earth, it raises your max HP as well as healing you. Stackable. SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/DZUeQ.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/flvSN.png)
NAME: Shard of Endurance ELEMENT: Other COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Sacrifice target creature to increase your shield's damage reduction by its HP / 5.	NAME: Shard of Endurance ELEMENT: Other COST: 1 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Sacrifice target creature to increase your shield's damage reduction by its HP / 5.

ART: Kuroaitou (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28847) IDEA: Xenocidius NOTES: Your shield does not need to have damage reduction before you use this shard. It is the Earth shard, and gives Earth a bonus in that Earth's creatures have high HP, it can give creatures more HP, has a high DR shield and has PA. HP / 5 is rounded up (a Photon and an Abomination will both give +1 DR). SERIES:

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Jocko on December 30, 2011, 07:07:18 am

SoE + SoF  ^-^
(Btw, i think it needs a better connection with earth because altough earth has BB, gravity has higher hp)

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Vineroz on December 30, 2011, 07:13:43 am

Comment to Curator: Card text does not match with Text in table

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: rowcla on December 30, 2011, 07:41:00 am

SO MUCH DEFENSE!

BB BB BB THIS 13 DAMAGE PREVENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

probably a bit OP, but hey, its a shard so that makes it balanced :P

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: RRQJ on December 30, 2011, 07:43:09 am

This probably works better with gravity.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Xenocidius on December 30, 2011, 07:54:20 am

Quote from: Vineroz on December 30, 2011, 07:13:43 am

Comment to Curator: Card text does not match with Text in table

*Considers deleting all of Vineroz's card idea threads*

:-[

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Here's an alternate version that I thought of:

(http://i.imgur.com/LBszu.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ibXFx.png)

This may be better. In fact, it probably would be (less potential balancing issues, more explicit bonus to :earth). Thoughts?

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: rowcla on December 30, 2011, 07:57:06 am

This is still pretty OP. just 3 can bump a titanium shield up to 11, enough to protect against nearly anything, and earth has PAs to stop PC

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: rowcla on December 30, 2011, 07:58:19 am

Quote from: RRQJ on December 30, 2011, 07:43:09 am

This probably works better with gravity.

Gravity already has a shard (in production) also this works insanely with BBs, furthermore it fits Earth better thematically

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: TheManuz on December 30, 2011, 01:01:05 pm

It's not fearsome with Titanium Shields, since you can always destroy them.
It's OP with Hope, Emerald Shield and Reflective Shield, because there is no way to destroy them.

Maybe you can make it "Target shield damage reduction is increased by 1. If your mark is :earth, increase your shield damage reduction by 1."

I know the wording is awful, but it's only to say that you must target a shield if you haven't the :earth mark. If you have :earth mark it increase defense without targeting, so even immaterial shields can be enhanced.

But my wording is awful, i know!  ::)

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: rickerd on December 30, 2011, 07:02:20 pm

You should add a limit.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: n00b on December 30, 2011, 08:04:22 pm

Ooh a shard thread. I think the second option is better, because with the first I can just imagine sacrificing a flying Titan (or Elite Armedilgo if it cannot target flying weapons) and gaining a.. erm... lot of blockage. But then with the new shard (please tell me it doesn't stack), it seems like it could make something like Titanium Shield block 6 damage, which makes it seem a bit OP. I know I'm kinda talking in circles, but that's just my thing... maybe you could make it so there is a max amount of blockage, or the blockage is for X turns or something. Good idea though :)

-m00b

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Nepycros on December 30, 2011, 08:09:30 pm

Grr, Y U make card that increases shield defense? Meesa already gots one! >:|

Graviton Inferno approves of this card.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Bleys295 on December 30, 2011, 08:41:36 pm

I'll be honest, I don't like the idea. Now if there is some way to make it unusable with a protected permanent, then maybe. But as it stands Emerald shield and Hope are going to get shard spammed.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Rutarete on December 30, 2011, 08:46:06 pm

How would it work with Bone Wall?

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: bogtro on December 30, 2011, 09:10:51 pm

More than somewhat OP.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: furballdn on December 30, 2011, 11:41:36 pm

One armagio would make your shield increase by 5|6. Hardly any creatures can penetrate that. A single BB would also guarantee a 4 point damage reduction. Way too powerful.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Xenocidius on December 31, 2011, 12:42:37 am

Okay, I've got an idea: what if I used the second version, but it was a permanent?

Quote from: Rutarete on December 30, 2011, 08:46:06 pm

How would it work with Bone Wall?

I assume it would work such that a charge is only destroyed if the creature has any damage getting past its defence.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: furballdn on December 31, 2011, 12:51:05 am

The second idea is also very, very powerful, and nearly broken if it can stack. 2/3 extra defense for 3 quanta? That's a steal. Especially considering how shields gain cost when their defense increases just by 1, you have an instant 3 bonus shield for only 3 quanta. Even when used in a non-:earth deck, assuming most shields have a defense of 1, nearly everyone would pay 3  :rainbow for 2 extra points of defense. This card would be even more powerful when coupled with let's say, fog shield or permafrost shield or mirror shield.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Sevs on December 31, 2011, 12:56:57 am

This as it is now is probably a bit OP, the starting DR isnt really that big if a factor. If it could work with mirror shield, (It doesn't target) you can stop a large amount of decks.

What if it scaled. so each point of DR costs 3HP* current DR.
so you play a titanium shield. armagio, then this.
25HP
25-6=19 DR now is 3
19 -9=10 DR is now 4
10-12<0 DR is now 5

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Xenocidius on December 31, 2011, 01:04:41 am

Quote from: furballdn on December 31, 2011, 12:51:05 am

The second idea is also very, very powerful, and nearly broken if it can stack. 2/3 extra defense for 3 quanta? That's a steal. Especially considering how shields gain cost when their defense increases just by 1, you have an instant 3 bonus shield for only 3 quanta. Even when used in a non-:earth deck, assuming most shields have a defense of 1, nearly everyone would pay 3  :rainbow for 2 extra points of defense. This card would be even more powerful when coupled with let's say, fog shield or permafrost shield or mirror shield.

"Instant 3 bonus shield for only 3 quanta"? You need a shield in the first place.

I'm considering having it just 1 DR, 2 if :earth mark, but that may be too large a bonus to Earth. Or, maybe it could only increase the DR of shields that already have DR, unless your mark is :earth.

Quote from: Sevs on December 31, 2011, 12:56:57 am

This as it is now is probably a bit OP, the starting DR isnt really that big if a factor. If it could work with mirror shield, (It doesn't target) you can stop a large amount of decks.

What if it scaled. so each point of DR costs 3HP* current DR.
so you play a titanium shield. armagio, then this.
25HP
25-6=19 DR now is 3
19 -9=10 DR is now 4
10-12<0 DR is now 5

Interesting. Perhaps the card text could just say 'Sacrifice target creature to increase your shield's damage reduction. Higher HP creatures increase it by more.', and then a balanced formula can be worked out.

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Xenocidius on January 01, 2012, 04:43:48 am

Added a new version in the OP. Thoughts?

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: rowcla on January 01, 2012, 05:16:54 am

Nah, this is totally underpowered, normally this would be fine but you forgot to take into consideration that its a shard :P

But yeah, this seems fine, though obviously im not the best person to decide on this...

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: moomoose on January 01, 2012, 03:32:41 pm

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28937.0.html been going through my list, just havent made all of them into actual cards yet

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: Chapuz on January 09, 2012, 03:58:18 am

Quadruple Machinegun FTW  :D

Chimera FTW  :D

Anything related to Momenum FTW  :D

Title: Re: Shard of Endurance | Shard of Endurance
Post by: OdinVanguard on April 04, 2013, 08:18:45 pm

Sorry for the necro, but it seems worth doing so to bring up a relevant point.

With the current changes to shards, this card would likely need to be put into the earth element.

I actually think that this would fit very well in earth though, so that isn't an issue.

Of course, that would end up giving 2 shards to earth.

One very reasonable solution would be to move shard of integrity back to type "Other".

Since SoI essentially chews up other shards from every element I think it fits as an "Other" type card very well.