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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg76979#msg76979
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 04:30:38 am »
crap, oh well...
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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg76993#msg76993
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2010, 04:54:37 am »
Wait wait wait.  An 8|8?  For five?

Why even bother making it invulnerable?  It's an 8|8!

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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg76996#msg76996
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2010, 05:12:39 am »
What I meant, Essence, was that this is a prime target for Fractal, because you could do something like  Crawlers or RoLs for the middle row, then use flooding to set up a Fractal/Leviathan combo.

Also.... we could actually say, "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!" in PvP, and it would make sense. Win. :D

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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg76999#msg76999
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2010, 05:17:43 am »
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Also.... we could actually say, "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!" in PvP, and it would make sense. Win. :D
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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg77005#msg77005
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2010, 05:24:04 am »
i just did the cost/attack ratio on both cards and this came up

unupped 5/8=.384ish

upped 8/13=.615ish

the ratio almost doubles when its upgraded. not as epic an upgrade as spider, but it is pretty good.
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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg77437#msg77437
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2010, 06:26:22 pm »
Dunno what math you're using, unit, but on my calculator, 5/8= .625, actually slightly MORE than 8/13.

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What I meant, Essence, was that this is a prime target for Fractal, because you could do something like  Crawlers or RoLs for the middle row, then use flooding to set up a Fractal/Leviathan combo.
Wow, that was a long walk to tie this to Fractal. ;p

Actually, though, I kind of like it.  Fractal+Chrysora+Flooding+Kraken, with Death mark just for fun?



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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg78204#msg78204
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2010, 06:10:41 pm »
What if lobotomized-shadowd-Butterflied?
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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg78243#msg78243
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2010, 07:26:25 pm »
This thing would be pure evil if you had one (just one) PA'ed Flooding/Innundation. A :water/ :earth deck with this card would be devastating, due to the huge damage potential and cheapness (not to mention quanta/creature denial).

Powerful, but without the permanent, it's useless - fairly balanced I suppose...

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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg78250#msg78250
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2010, 07:49:04 pm »
I like it.

Needs more tho for the risk.

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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg78303#msg78303
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2010, 09:07:42 pm »
UPDATED!

Since the biggest comment was that it wasn't quite enough, I made it just a little more fragile but added a significant new active ability.

(BTW, the 'vulnerability' is a Passive ability, so it's not affected by Lobo/LS/Butterfly.)

Kraken|Leviathan now dies instantly unless underwater -- making it unusable as a "direct damage" spells -- but now provides hardcore complementary power to Flooding|Inundation, as it can kill :water creatures (like you might expect from the most dangerous predator of the seas).


Better now?
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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg78439#msg78439
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2010, 02:19:39 am »
UPDATED!

Since the biggest comment was that it wasn't quite enough, I made it just a little more fragile but added a significant new active ability.

(BTW, the 'vulnerability' is a Passive ability, so it's not affected by Lobo/LS/Butterfly.)

Kraken|Leviathan now dies instantly unless underwater -- making it unusable as a "direct damage" spells -- but now provides hardcore complementary power to Flooding|Inundation, as it can kill :water creatures (like you might expect from the most dangerous predator of the seas).


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Even Better in theme. Think the Mirror match would be horrid. How about restricting  the target to a creature of less hp or atk so that opposing Kraken just cant kill each other by getting in first. Maybe change Water creature to any creature that is underwater.

Could add a tandem card to this.
Oceanscape - Your Battlefield is underwater. You gain :water :water :water each turn. Boosts the Monotype, but now mutation now kills your creatures.

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Re: Kraken | Leviathan https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7106.msg79022#msg79022
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2010, 08:11:22 pm »
That makes sense.  I'll make that change when I get the chance.
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