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Energy Staff | Energy Scepter http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1210574#msg1210574
« on: October 16, 2015, 03:07:13 AM »
NAME:
Energy Staff
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
3
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
5 | 3 when flying
TEXT:
Weapon: Deal 5 damage at the end of every turn
:aether : Charge
Now deals spell damage
NAME:
Energy Scepter
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
4
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
7 | 3 when flying
TEXT:
Weapon: Deal 7 damage at the end of every turn
:aether : Charge
Now deals spell damage

ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
Idea of switching from normal damage to spell damage.

Charge is meant to be in the sense of "charging a battery" in case of confusion about thematics. A clearer ability name would be nice.

I'm not sure how to balance Other weapons (or Other in general), so if this is broken, that's pretty cool. Halp.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1210598#msg1210598
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 06:43:22 AM »
It's cheap for 5|7 damage. I'd say it's price should be comparable to OE|EE (5 :air|6 :air) due to doing same damage and having active ability, so it should be at least 6 :chroma|6 :chroma in my opinion
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1210602#msg1210602
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2015, 07:33:29 AM »
While this is easily played with Nova/Snova, you still have to compare it to Titan. It has nothing in common with OE and will be played mostly in Cremation/Nova rushes. Animates optional, but it's a good alternative to Gavel if you choose to focus your deck on it. MA can also utilize it, of course, or any deck that needs a bit of shield bypass and can't afford to commit to it (Life, Light, etc.).

Titan is 5 for 7 and 5 for 8, but Momentum is better than spell damage. The cost is in line with Titan, so it's perfectly fine.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1211910#msg1211910
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2015, 05:13:29 AM »
Digging this up again after like a week.

1st: Is the ability name fine?

Charge is meant to be in the sense of "charging a battery" in case of confusion about thematics. A clearer ability name would be nice.

2nd: Should it maybe get a little +1|+0 the turns it uses spell damage (see Paladin already in Cygnia)?

3rd: Is this thing even useful like I made it due to a random burst of ideas in chat, but now I'm starting to doubt that it even fills a niche.

it's a good alternative to Gavel if you choose to focus your deck on it.

Makes this seem a bit weak doesn't it? It has to have a deck focused around it to be on par with Gavel?

I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking it.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1211962#msg1211962
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2015, 04:32:09 PM »
openEtG has a similar weapon, although it was implemented to be more like Hammer and Bow. The spell damage was automatic, it did a bit less damage and got a bonus from users who had a :water or :life mark I believe.

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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1211986#msg1211986
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2015, 08:39:14 PM »


Ooh I like this one :D

EDIT: Well, this computer isn't agreeing with me. I shall update image later.

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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Staff http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1212025#msg1212025
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 01:08:31 AM »
it's a good alternative to Gavel if you choose to focus your deck on it.

Makes this seem a bit weak doesn't it? It has to have a deck focused around it to be on par with Gavel?

I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking it.
Yes and no. To base a deck on a card, the card has to be powerful enough to warrant it. The ones based on Gavel are strictly worse than Cremation rushes while decks based on this weapon can allow for something that not all decks have: shield bypass. As such it's noticeably better than Gavel, though it suffers from the card advantage loss that Animate Weapon incurs. That's why it remains best as a simple addition to a rush that needs some shield bypass to increase its winrate.

With that in mind, I think it'd deserve a cost buff where the ability is one-time use and the effect permanent, much like lycanthrope. That would both let you add some cheap Aether cards in a simple mark splash deck and make it noticeably better in a nova rush.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Scepter http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1212030#msg1212030
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2015, 01:26:34 AM »
Updated, got the images to work yay.

Would've made the Charge wording better to match Lycan, but not enough room I think. Unless I break from the standard weapon text. Which I guess I could. But bleh.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Scepter http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1212042#msg1212042
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2015, 02:23:36 AM »


Can't use "Deal spell damage, permanently", otherwise it won't fit, but this is good enough, I guess?

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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Scepter http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1212134#msg1212134
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 06:54:53 PM »
The damage output is still a little too high on the unupgraded version I think.
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Re: Energy Staff | Energy Scepter http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60075.msg1212168#msg1212168
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2015, 11:50:21 PM »
Keep in mind nobody ever uses the unupped Other weapons. They should be buffed, and so I wouldn't nerf this Staff either.
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