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Duplicate | Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210113#msg1210113
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:28:23 PM »
NAME:
Duplicate
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Summon an exact copy of the target permanent
NAME:
Replicate
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Summon an exact copy of the target permanent

ART:
Source
IDEA:
Treldon
NOTES:
Considering how frequently permanents are "less permanent" than creatures this could come useful. You could duplicate any permanent with this, both yours or opponent's (unless it's immaterial of course), be that a pillar or a weapon.

Exact copy means that for example if a Dim shield has only 1 turn left, the copy will also have 1 turn left.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 01:49:23 PM by Treldon »
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Re: Duplicate |Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210114#msg1210114
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 03:31:34 PM »
Cool. PU but perms.

Yes, new copy would have summoning sickness, as with PU the new creature has summoning sickness :)

EDIT: This should be much, much cheaper, as it is not permenant control as such, and really it has limited uses (though cool ones) if using on an opponent, you need to have teh quanta to use abilities, if using on your own things, then why not just pack more of those things (unless this is cheaper).
I'd say 4/3 or even 3/2 would be fine
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 03:33:59 PM by JonathanCrazyJ »
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Re: Duplicate |Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210139#msg1210139
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 06:56:33 PM »
Does it copy the charges in a BW? Only one copy for stacks?
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Re: Duplicate |Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210145#msg1210145
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 07:59:47 PM »
Why :gravity and not another element? I'm just curious about the thematic reasoning.
I would normally think :earth has a stronger claim on permanent manipulation... although some might argue that is mostly for pillar's / pends.
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Re: Duplicate |Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210161#msg1210161
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 08:50:39 PM »
Does it copy the charges in a BW? Only one copy for stacks?

I believe BW is actually x BW cards stacked, so just as PC effects affect 1 layer, so would this. And yes, one copy for stacks - copying a stack of 8 towers or 4 SoFr would be a bit strong, wouldn't it?

Why :gravity and not another element? I'm just curious about the thematic reasoning.
I would normally think :earth has a stronger claim on permanent manipulation... although some might argue that is mostly for pillar's / pends.

I was thinking of the replicator in ST or Replicators in SG - both techie stuff. Techie stuff = :gravity
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Re: Duplicate | Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1210170#msg1210170
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 09:15:01 PM »
Makes sense... good to keep in mind when / if art hunting starts then. It does fit in with the salvager theme somewhat


Price-wise I think you need to reduce the cost a bit.

Consider that steal not only gives you a copy of the target permanent but also removes it from your enemy.

Granted, its a different niche, but I think creating a copy should be a little less expensive thant stealing in terms of cost balance.

While this card can indeed copy the owner's permanents, the list of potential targets is small. Mainly pillars... maybe UG or HG?
For copying enemy cards, weapons and shields makes sense, but not for the owner's weapon / shield (since you would basically just be burning this card).

When / if stacking shields / weapons become a thing (e.g. instead of replacing the shield or weapon the stack size increments) this will see a little more utility.
Until then, its cost is rather high for the effect in my opinion.


At a cost of 3 / 2 :gravity I could see using this in an SoV deck. That would yield a potential 12 SoV's.
Chewing down as much as 36 maximum health a turn is nothing to sneeze at... in arena decks you could get that as high as 72 max HP per turn.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 09:17:25 PM by OdinVanguard »
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Re: Duplicate | Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1211121#msg1211121
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 01:49:42 PM »
Art added, costs lowered
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Re: Duplicate | Replicate http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60014.msg1211124#msg1211124
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 02:24:03 PM »
Reminds me of when I did Envy for AtE, though I agree that this is probably more fitting in Gravity as things currently are. I'd be interested in seeing this kind of card hit Cygnia.

 

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