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Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428034#msg428034
« on: November 20, 2011, 01:00:11 am »
NAME:
Ancient Robot
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 10
TEXT:
If rewound, transforms into a Destroyer Robot.
Time Dilation: Only this card can be targeted with Rewind.
NAME:
Ancient Warbringer
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 10
TEXT:
If rewound, transforms into a Warbringer.
Time Dilation: Only this card can be targeted with Rewind.
NAME:
Destroyer Robot
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
:gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
7 | 6
TEXT:
NAME:
Warbringer
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
8 :gravity
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
8 | 5
TEXT:
ART:
Ancient Version - ScaredGirl (source: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12664.msg463304#msg463304)
Rewound Version - Krava (source: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,34339.msg462950#msg462950)
IDEA:
Bhlewos (Inspired by Jaymanfu)
NOTES:
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[2011-11-19 19:08:20] Jaymanfu: gravity could use a creature that transforms into something cool when RT'd
[2011-11-19 19:08:57] Bhlewos: ‹@Jaymanfu› and have it automatically be targeted by RT
[2011-11-19 19:09:02] Jaymanfu: like clanking robot > RT > UBER ROBOT OF DOOM
Has two abilities: one active (but not activated, similar to Vulture), and one passive.

The active ability is called Time Dilation (inspired by this (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/41740)) that makes it so that only Ancient Robot and other copies of it can be targeted by Reverse Time (and Eternity, etc.). The targeting screen still shows up, but the player can only choose to target copies of the Ancients. If there is only one copy of the Ancient, the targeting screen is skipped and it's automatically targeted.

The passive is that when targeted with Reverse Time, it transforms into a much more powerful creature.

Basically, a weak-ish creature that transforms into something much more powerful when Reverse Time'd. It also doubles as a RT shield (protecting other more valuable creatures from being rewound), removing the major weakness of buff-heavy decks (such as Blessed Divers, Adrenaline'd Frogs, or Overdriven Armagios), as well as addressing what is generally agreed upon as a crippling weakness of Gravity.

The upped version, as well, serves as a cheap but relatively high ATK creature (3 ATK for 2 :gravity), which Gravity lacks. This should hopefully make it a decent standalone card (ignoring the RT bonus), avoiding making it a "niche" card like Flooding or Holy Light.

The thematic, or "in-universe" explanation for its ability:
Good question. ^^; I'd actually known about this for a while and considered using this for a different card (specifically Dwarf Star), but the idea is that gravity messes with time through some sort of relativity stuff.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation)
Some Physics Pros' website (http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/41740)
They put it in simpler terms here (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96095009)

So Gravity in general thematically should not only be resistant to the effects of Time but superior to it as well. If you think it works thematically, we could say that this creature has that gravitational power to affect time and dilate it. It might be a bit of a leap to say it attracts those effects though.
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Jaymanfu - Original idea
Higurashi - Cost/ATK ratio advice
ddevans96 - Ability wording
Brontos - Theory critique
Ekki - Double ability suggestion
Scaredgirl - Graciously providing original art for the Ancient versions
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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428061#msg428061
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 01:36:02 am »
My only problem is that it makes graviton mercenary even more useless.
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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428062#msg428062
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 01:37:42 am »
It's great for a gravity card. Grav merc disapproves, but that card needed a buff anyway.
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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428066#msg428066
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 01:48:30 am »
You should probably clarify what 'Automatically targeted by Reverse Time' means in the notes. The way you have it worded now implies incredibly overpowered, and it isn't what you mean.
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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428070#msg428070
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2011, 01:57:25 am »
You should probably clarify what 'Automatically targeted by Reverse Time' means in the notes. The way you have it worded now implies incredibly overpowered, and it isn't what you mean.
What I mean is that if either player plays a Reverse Time, it skips the targeting screen and goes straight to the last Ancient played. If that seems too overpowered to you, would this sound better? You can still pick which of your own creatures to Reverse Time, but on the opponent's field, if the opponent has an Ancient you can only target that. So it only restricts your choices, rather than not giving you a choice at all.

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428071#msg428071
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2011, 02:00:03 am »
You misunderstand. What I mean is the wording is possible to interpret as 'As soon as this card is played, it is reverse timed', which ruins the point of having the card (hence why I said it isn't what you mean, it doesn't make sense) and produces a 7|10 creature for 2 :gravity, which is overpowered.

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428074#msg428074
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2011, 02:02:17 am »
idk that seems a little unfair because what if they have to go to teh bathroom and dont see it or they jut dont know what the card means then they get it put on the robot maybe it should open up the targeting and you can only target the bot?

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428077#msg428077
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2011, 02:04:39 am »
I don't think the name fits.  You rewind the Ancient version, and it's no longer ancient?  Maybe the names should be flipped around. :0

That and I don't like how the effect works only with RT.

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428078#msg428078
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2011, 02:06:57 am »
Oops. Yeah, now that you mention it, it does sound like it could be interpreted that way. How about this? "Redirects Reverse Time towards self." or "While in play, only this creature can be targeted with Reverse Time."

Tucking Fypo @ Well the idea is in present time this robot is ancient, but if rewound to when it was in its "prime" it's no longer ancient. Maybe something like "Rusted" or "Ruined" might be better?

And what do you mean by your last comment? Does it seem too "niche"? Would you prefer that the ability works with other CC as well?

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428104#msg428104
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 04:46:56 am »
It means that cards that specifically reference other cards are stupid Yu-Gi-Oh nonsense.

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428106#msg428106
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2011, 04:56:50 am »
the fact that the word "robot" is in the name of a creature of the word "elements, a ""FANTASY"" online card game" just bugs me a bit. maybe if you changed the name to destroyer and ancient golems? something other than robot, it just doesnt seem to fit imo

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Re: Ancient Robot | Ancient Warbringer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33932.msg428128#msg428128
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 05:56:29 am »
the fact that the word "robot" is in the name of a creature of the word "elements, a ""FANTASY"" online card game" just bugs me a bit. maybe if you changed the name to destroyer and ancient golems? something other than robot, it just doesnt seem to fit imo
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