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Title: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Kamietsu on March 14, 2010, 11:50:05 pm
(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/Phoenix.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/Upgrade.png)(http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/MinorPhoenix.png)

Discuss
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Glitch on March 15, 2010, 12:10:33 am
It's pretty obvious this was designed to chain with immolation.  But for once, upgrading to a minor makes sense.  I'll never understand minor abomination.....
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Marvaddin on March 15, 2010, 01:57:12 am
I think the minor one should cost 3 :fire. At 2, the immolation combo can be played in 1st turn almost all games.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: CB! on March 15, 2010, 02:38:35 am
Yeah, minor should cost 3 :fire, or the attack should be lowered to 3 instead of 4... IMO
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: jmizzle7 on March 15, 2010, 03:20:39 am
It's pretty obvious this was designed to chain with immolation.  But for once, upgrading to a minor makes sense.  I'll never understand minor abomination.....
Just to clear it up, Micro Abomination is there so Entropy has:

1.) a cheap creature (all other creatures cost at least 4 :entropy, or 5 :entropy if upped)
2.) something to mutate within its element.

/off-topic
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Ohmega on March 15, 2010, 12:42:41 pm
I like this card.
Maybe because it is based on my idea.
When I first saw it I was really surprised.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: asymmetry on March 15, 2010, 03:12:22 pm


I tested it and i love how it works, perhaps the guys are right and it should cost more to play.
I can't wait to replace the dragons for these babies :P
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Glitch on March 15, 2010, 07:44:58 pm
Ashes need to have less health, IMO.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Essence on March 16, 2010, 12:56:57 am
Nah.  You want it to be some WORK to get rid of a Phoenix.  I think it's just perfect as it is.

I'm looking forward to some unupgraded-Phoenix+Immolate+Ray of Light+Hope decks.  Cremate one RoL, start a Phoenix/Cremate chain, use the remaining RoLs to power Hope, and Phoenix Barrage the enemy more-or-less unstoppably into oblivion. :)
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: adsilcott on March 16, 2010, 02:52:42 pm
I had imagined a phoenix card, but I had pictured it as a Air-Fire crossover.  For example the bird would be air, and the ash would be fire.  I think that would make more sense, and maybe make it a little more challenging and fun to use.  So I'm a little disappointed, but it still looks like a cool card that I'm looking forward to using.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: omgarm on March 16, 2010, 09:33:34 pm
I love the idea. It's basically under permanent delay though, so it's damage per turn is reasonable. Ash is fine as it is, if it had less health this card would be way too easy to get rid off, might as well completely ignore it otherwise.

Edit: Halving the damage is assuming there is any form of creature control, which is pretty common. If there is none this card is amazing.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: adsilcott on March 17, 2010, 04:46:15 pm
Man, the more I think about this, the more I think a really cool opportunity could be missed here.  If the the phoenix (not the ash) was Air instead of Fire, there would be some awesome combos.  You could use Cremation, which is free, to sac the bird and generate the red quantum to revive it.  Or you could use Elite Fireflys.  The best combo of all would be with Unstable Gas... think about it!

Hmm, maybe that would be too powerful...  I don't know, but the concept is awesome-- rising from the fire into the air and back.  Any opinions on this?
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Glitch on March 17, 2010, 08:53:35 pm
You can still do a fire/air combo if it's fire.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: relic master on March 21, 2010, 11:35:44 pm
This is a hacked card.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: jmizzle7 on March 22, 2010, 04:32:19 am
This is a hacked card.
Care to elaborate? Vague post is vague.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: PuppyChow on March 22, 2010, 04:35:04 am
This is a hacked card.
Care to elaborate? Vague post is vague.
It's hacked. Hacked card is hacked. Obviously.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Kamietsu on March 22, 2010, 07:44:36 am
This is a hacked card.
Care to elaborate? Vague post is vague.
It's hacked. Hacked card is hacked. Obviously.
Obvious post is obvious.

Yo dawg, Zanz heard you like hacks so he put a phoenix in your phoenix so you can attack while you attack.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: jmizzle7 on March 22, 2010, 08:37:59 am
Well, did he mean hax, as in awesome? Cuz it is. If he meant hacked, as in cheated into existence, then Lucy's got some splainin' to do.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: UnfairBanana on March 22, 2010, 09:43:52 pm
It's pretty obvious this was designed to chain with immolation.  But for once, upgrading to a minor makes sense.  I'll never understand minor abomination.....
You've gotta remember, Micro Abomination is Entropy. Therefore, by making it small and cheap, it's easy fodder for mutation.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Demagog on March 27, 2010, 12:54:22 am
Lycans and werewolves are 2 :entropy soooo minor abomination is still pretty useless
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Kameda on March 27, 2010, 01:21:32 pm
Lycans only have 1 HP.
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Deedle on March 29, 2010, 07:26:34 pm
This card Rocks using it in a t50 killer right now its gone 30-0 this afternoon!

With an Average 4-5 turn beatdown
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: confetti on March 31, 2010, 01:04:36 pm
the card is amazing!!! best new one for me coming with 1.21...
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: SirElven on April 02, 2010, 05:13:50 pm
i love normal pheonix, you get some great t1 immolation chains
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Kameda on April 03, 2010, 12:58:03 am
Normal Phoenix can't the Immolated in the first turn.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: SirElven on April 05, 2010, 06:24:22 pm
What kameda? It goes like this.

1. Play Photon
2. Immolate Photon
3. Play Pheonix
4. Immolate Pheonix
5. Play Pheonix.
6. Turn 2, i rebirth the first pheonix.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Kameda on April 05, 2010, 09:56:34 pm
Ahh, there's a Photon before the first Immolation ^^
Title: Re: In Development: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Arondight on April 07, 2010, 07:30:22 pm
Lycans only have 1 HP.
Off topic is off topic, but..

Putting in Abominations instead of generating creatures take up too much space, and if it's pure entropy, having Super Novas (to use the effect of the mutations effectively) takes up more space to be effective.

Bad poster is bad. (me that is)

On topic, Phoenix is pretty powerful in such a small package upgraded.. 4/1 for 2 :fire with regenerating capabilities? Probably purposely like that because of Fractal being released with it.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: BetaParticle on April 13, 2010, 03:00:57 am
I see one way to stop rebirth of Ash...
use liquid shadow. :D
replaces rebirth skill with vampire.

BetaParticle
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: allanpike on April 13, 2010, 05:43:59 pm
This card is way, way to powerful, escapilly the minor one combined with that immolation card, that lets you rack up a lot of fire quatums and allows you to summon powerful monster well to quickly. If your lucky and manage to get some creature control quick enough, then you might be able to win. If not you lose that's how it is. Which means it is completely broken.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: asymmetry on April 13, 2010, 05:54:21 pm
This card is way, way to powerful, escapilly the minor one combined with that immolation card, that lets you rack up a lot of fire quatums and allows you to summon powerful monster well to quickly. If your lucky and manage to get some creature control quick enough, then you might be able to win. If not you lose that's how it is. Which means it is completely broken.
Then it's not OP, it just works. It's hard to get rid of, fact.
Besides that, the cremation thing is nothing new. Have you PVPed lately? A good percentage of the decks are pilarless rush. First turn, 18 quanta with two cards. And still, they often lose just like any other deck out there.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: allanpike on April 13, 2010, 06:09:53 pm
Yeah I've been gone a while... I think it was like 1.0 something last time I was here...

Still, that combonation is OP, not only does it work. but it is extremely hard to get rid off.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: icybraker on April 17, 2010, 12:32:01 am
Note:

This may or may not have been mentioned before, but I just tested this in the trainer with Alfatoxin. Placing Aflatoxin onto a Phoenix causes it to die and turn into Ash; no Malignant Cell is formed.

Just for all yall who wanted to know. :) I love this card.

Edit: Optimalist ninja'd me by about 5 seconds when he posted this point in his idea thread. Well, he got it from me; I was the one who tested it. :D
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: Waerloga on May 07, 2010, 09:18:58 pm
I think even for 4 fire quanta the upped phoenix is still quite powerful.  4 quanta for a 4/1 vs 7 quanta for a 7/1 makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Phoenix/Minor Phoenix
Post by: 3golden982 on May 11, 2010, 05:22:54 pm
Its a good card.Think:
How much fire quantam do you want to waste?
7 or 2?
By the way,with 7 fire quantam you can play 3 minor phoenixs=12 damage,while if you play just a plain phoenix=7 damage.
Its a good card for Cremation.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: evilpwner on July 05, 2010, 06:19:50 pm
I like how sometimes the upgraded cards have lower costs and stats, like with Micro-abomination. Very cool.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Rainbowz on July 23, 2010, 02:59:01 am
Easily top 5 in the best monsters in fire.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: vile on September 13, 2010, 09:00:02 pm
This card is absolutely remarkable!! Turn one crimson dragon anyone? :)) But all seriousness aside this card devastates.  Fire vs Fire is basically a run for who can pop out the most phoenix's haha
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: ~Napalm on October 25, 2010, 04:41:29 am
I think it's about time that I make a post in the thread about my favorite card in all of elements.

This is without a doubt the most over powered card in the entire game. (No nerfing plz D:)

Minor Phoenix + Cremation = KOTH (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6960.0.html)
Minor Phoenix + Fractal = ZOMGWTFBBQ! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13526.0.html)
Minor Phoenix + Napalm Grenade = RUN! :P :))
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Colloray on November 20, 2010, 07:38:49 pm
WTF?!? fenix LOSES atak wen u upgrade it??? thats so stupid!!! >:(
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: asymmetry on November 21, 2010, 03:09:41 am
WTF?!? fenix LOSES atak wen u upgrade it??? thats so stupid!!! >:(
Let me borrow that quote for my signature, thank you :>
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Higurashi on November 21, 2010, 03:12:50 am
lulz. Oh, play nice.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Memorystick on November 21, 2010, 03:13:55 am
WTF?!? fenix LOSES atak wen u upgrade it??? thats so stupid!!! >:(
Tried fighting Eternal Phoenix yet? Upped phoenix loses attack, yeah, but becomes insanely cheaper- and becoming an excellent fractal target.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: 3D House of Beef on November 21, 2010, 03:14:50 am
WTF?!? fenix LOSES atak wen u upgrade it??? thats so stupid!!! >:(
...and the Yu-Gi-Oh crowd weighs in.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: ddevans96 on November 21, 2010, 03:28:26 pm
I think it's about time that I make a post in the thread about my favorite card in all of elements.

This is without a doubt the most over powered card in the entire game. (No nerfing plz D:)

Minor Phoenix + Cremation = KOTH (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6960.0.html)
Minor Phoenix + Fractal = ZOMGWTFBBQ! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13526.0.html)
Minor Phoenix + Napalm Grenade = RUN! :P :))
No icon link. You're losing it Napalm :P
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: icecoldbro on November 28, 2010, 03:40:34 am
my second fave card and my fave gods main card EP not OP but quite strong
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: platnium phoenix on December 10, 2010, 03:45:17 am
......need i say more? ^^
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: coinich on December 10, 2010, 04:20:02 am
......need i say more? ^^
Did you say anything?  :P
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: smuglapse on December 10, 2010, 04:24:15 am
Card Topics: Making the Forum Brighter Every Couple of Minutes...  :time
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on December 11, 2010, 04:18:11 am
funnily enough not a lot of ppl have been complaining that this is OP, and they have been instead complaining about immolation...
when this is mostly the source of immolation's seemingly OP'ness (it's not OP, nor is the phoenix)
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: EvaRia on December 11, 2010, 05:19:33 am
Not really.

Immolations is more considered OP with Blights or Photons. Phoenixes are just an added bonus.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on December 11, 2010, 05:27:58 am
when phoenixes are upped, immo/crem on phoenixes is better than Blights or photons...
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: platnium phoenix on April 30, 2011, 10:28:59 pm
hmm... its OP'ed with both, thats all that matters for me.

also, fractal minor phoenix deck FTW XD :fire
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Jacky Nipper on May 28, 2011, 11:51:57 am
Definetly my favorite :fire card.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: aqwsz0 on September 23, 2011, 11:51:25 pm
upped is very useful.  2 fire cost, for 4 dog, and 1 fire for rebirth.  Phoenix+IMMO=Power for Fahreneit XD
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: BluexLightning on October 08, 2011, 04:58:24 pm
this card is good upgraded, but it eats alot of quanta unupgraded where it does more damage, hard to choose whether to roll upped or not.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Waterknight2012 on October 24, 2011, 06:21:36 pm
It is my 2nd fave :fire card behind Lava Golem/Lava Destroyer

and I love the art!
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: PWINCE on November 19, 2011, 06:26:19 pm
well idk minor abomination is a little confusing but i think its meant to go with mutation and make it something better but still it could just turn into an abomination so idk, it is a little more quanta efficient though with it only costing 1 and doing 2 times the damage instead of 5 attack and 5 quanta doing 1 times the damage
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: GuffeHamSelv on December 06, 2011, 10:32:02 pm
Love Phoenix! ^^
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Silver on February 28, 2012, 05:35:04 am
With Seraph on its way I think it would be cool of Phoenix was 6|1 for  :fire 6 to differentiate their niches a bit. Still a nerf to immolation/Phoenix overall but brings back a lot of cool synergies.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: glennfoo on February 28, 2012, 10:46:32 pm
u mean the unupped phoenix to cost six quantum for 6 damage is it?? what is the reason??
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: furballdn on February 29, 2012, 02:46:07 am
u mean the unupped phoenix to cost six quantum for 6 damage is it?? what is the reason??
Immolation only generates 6 :fire.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: glennfoo on February 29, 2012, 02:57:11 am
but that is the reason they nerf down immolation right?? so that we cannot cast phoenix straight away....
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: furballdn on February 29, 2012, 02:58:44 am
idle is suggesting phoenixes be 6|1 creature for 6 :fire. This nerfs them a bit, but also lets them be summonable right away due to immolation. I quite like the idea, because it is as he says, it helps to differentiate phoenixes from seraphs.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: glennfoo on February 29, 2012, 04:36:02 am
now i get it.... then i agree with the idea too.... but has the idea been presented?? or else how the committee will know about it??
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: LD_Raine on April 20, 2012, 12:22:44 am
Cant wait to get some minors.  Gonna fool around with immolation with it
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: glennfoo on May 12, 2012, 06:11:17 am
Cant wait to get some minors.  Gonna fool around with immolation with it

One of my favourites. love the combo when it happens
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: Aaronalln on May 26, 2012, 03:30:31 am
this is probably my second favorite fire card just because you have to kill it twice
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: crosscounter on January 11, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
I got Phoenix as oracle and wanted to make a cremation/minor phoenix arena deck...
It seems that AI doesn't want to cremate a minor phoenix.  :( I've only seen it cremate RoL...
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: teamkyfa on March 23, 2013, 06:53:47 pm
minor phoenix is so OP is crazy
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: eaglgenes101 on March 25, 2013, 03:24:51 am
minor phoenix is so OP is crazy
No it isn't. It's just a low-cost medium-power beatstick with increased protection. It's upgraded. Nothing to it.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: HyTex on March 25, 2013, 02:09:45 pm
One of my favorite fire cards. Super resilient since the ash is so durable, and the AI loves wasting thunderbolts/ice bolts/rain of fire to make ash, so it's good for farm in a rush deck IMO.
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: victor_hrb on May 25, 2013, 09:43:34 pm
I think minor phoenix is the best monster for rush fire decks with immolation! 
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: xsindomanx on May 26, 2013, 01:51:02 am
Very true! An upped immo rush can't run without phoenix.
Though, please note that we use the word 'creature' instead of 'monster' here in EtG :)
Title: Re: Phoenix | Minor Phoenix
Post by: victor_hrb on May 26, 2013, 01:29:58 pm
Very true! An upped immo rush can't run without phoenix.
Though, please note that we use the word 'creature' instead of 'monster' here in EtG :)

Thx for the advice hahah
Im still working on texting in english thing to
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