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Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1195781#msg1195781
« on: July 06, 2015, 12:18:05 pm »
Satisfied with the successful repurposing of Akebono into a menacing dragon master, the famous necromancer Zanzarino decides to raise (or, rather, repurpose) another soul into yet another deadly dragon master, with a hope for her to even surpass Akebono's powers.

While he endowed Akebono with the thrust of Gravity, he aims to grant the new spirit, known to mortal man as Hiryuu, with the freedom of Air and firmness of Earth.

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right this turns out to be.

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Hiryuu's idea of wrecking the player?
She doesn't bring any kind of control to the board ... because she doesn't need much of it. Fueled with Shards of Freedom behind them, her fowls will just pluck at you with impunity regardless of shields, and with a boost on their power. If that is not enough damage, she can even will them for a deadly blitz, although it's not without a significant cost for her.

Her Longbows are just for show, true, but get luck getting cover from her birds without dealing with the source of your troubles -- the Shards of Freedom.

In fact, Shards of Freedom is so central to her strategy that destroying them will make her fowls cannot ignore shields, nor can they evade targeting CCs.

How does some FG farmers fare?
Shield-reliant setups (particularly Limitless and RoL-Hope): Nigh impossible without some significant investment in PC or misfortune on her side. Two SoFree in turn two isn't unheard of, and if you're particularly unlucky to get four before your shield gets online~ good luck. Even six Sanctuaries isn't going to outheal two SoFree-boosted Basalt Dragons.
VDB: Highly shard-reliant. She has only 6 of them in a 70-decker. If you got your stuffed Voodoo Doll online before she get her Shards online, this isn't very difficult. Problem is, she usually gets her Shards online before she gets her Dragons online.
Swallow: Pray to get your SoFo online before any SoFree gets online, that your Grav Force is online before dragons get out of hand, and start nomnoming the components as they come. Easier said than done, since Black Hole doesn't heal much off her quanta pool and even Elite Otyughs need four turns of startup before they can swallow her dragons.
Rainbow control (like, say, CCYB): Again, pray that you get your PC ready before shards are coming. If you get Grav Shield online or can chain a few Phase Shields and she have no shards online, her dragons are sitting dragons before your shield.
Poison Dial SoSac: It should work, thanks to the boost her fowls are getting ... provided you can get enough shards early enough before her fowls get out of hand.

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V2; getting away with any control card, -1 SoFree to current version.

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V1; decided to get away with Quicksand and one PA (so that her hand isn't clogged by extraneous PA) to V2.
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1195858#msg1195858
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2015, 09:30:21 pm »
I was hoping to see stuff from Akatsuki no Yona when I saw the name

Doesn't this seem like kind of an expensive deck?
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1195903#msg1195903
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 05:38:00 am »
needs more cards; decay UP

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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1195910#msg1195910
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 06:50:27 am »
Rutarete:
See the disclaimer I slipped (practically invisible because it's colored in #333333) between the deck and the FG's strategy to find out who I named the FG after.

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Well~ part of why Decay's a bit UP is that:
  • Once a hostile Sanctuary is up, his swarm of Pests lose their finest charm (sapping enemy quanta and turning them into :darkness ) before he manages to get rid of it (and take it for himself, since this is Improved Steal we're dealing with).
  • Pests have zero native attack, and, unless you're silly enough to intentionally buff hostile units, they'll only strike with an Eclipse or a stolen Shard of Patience. Without stealing a Shard of Patience or your weapon, he has the absolute ceiling of 51 damage per turn (23 Eclipse-boosted Pests and the Electrocutor), not even enough to 2HKO you without Siphon Life if you've got Sanctuaries running. And none of them ignores shield (so even a 'lowly' Titanium Shield, protected of course, reduces all of that to 3 points of damage per turn). Even with a stolen weapon, the best he can expect is 46 + 20 (full-powered upped Fahrenheit), or, alternatively, 46 + 8M (assuming upped Titan).

Hiryuu? Pfft.
OTK? Forget it, her fowls are going to pluck you without regards of your shield.
RoL-Hope? Forget it for the exact same reason OTKs are pointless against her.
VDB? Forget it, her fowls are going to pluck you instead of the thick Doll you're setting up.
PD SoSac? It should work, thanks to the boost her fowls are getting; just pray she don't have that Granite Skin in her hand.
Liquid Antimatter? Once she brings a few SoFree to the field (and especially once she protects them), good luck hitting her fowls.
CCYB? Elite Fireflies and Lava Destroyers are in EE's 1HKO range, and Pulverizers are moot when all her stuffs are protected.

If there's anything to it, perhaps I'd nerf her, again (first version has 8 Quicksands in a 70-decker. Imagine that~), by replacing one SoFree (so that she isn't going to run all over you too quickly), Granite Skin, or Protect Artifact with Stone Pillars.
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1196139#msg1196139
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 06:05:22 am »
Basman, I don't think you understand the point of FG Proposal. It's not so that you can make OP decks that counter every single FG killer deck out there and never loses. FGs are supposed to be somewhat enjoyable challenges in the game (somewhat because look over here at Hermes and Rainbow, ew).
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1196142#msg1196142
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 06:43:44 am »
Basman, I don't think you understand the point of FG Proposal. It's not so that you can make OP decks that counter every single FG killer deck out there and never loses. FGs are supposed to be somewhat enjoyable challenges in the game (somewhat because look over here at Hermes and Rainbow, ew).

And that's why I'm thinking of ways to nerf her without ignoring the primary running gag (Basalt Dragon + SoFree).
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1196143#msg1196143
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 06:47:56 am »
Basman, I don't think you understand the point of FG Proposal. It's not so that you can make OP decks that counter every single FG killer deck out there and never loses. FGs are supposed to be somewhat enjoyable challenges in the game (somewhat because look over here at Hermes and Rainbow, ew).

And that's why I'm thinking of ways to nerf her without ignoring the primary running gag (Basalt Dragon + SoFree).

I'd say that you should probably just get rid of any control cards. It's not so crippling for this deck, and besides, there are plenty of capable FGs without control (like how Divine Glory has no CC or how Elidnis has no PC). So basically remove Eagle's Eye.

I also think you should opt for -1 SoFr, simply because FGs generally don't have that many shards.
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1196144#msg1196144
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 06:55:54 am »
I'd say that you should probably just get rid of any control cards. It's not so crippling for this deck, and besides, there are plenty of capable FGs without control (like how Divine Glory has no CC or how Elidnis has no PC). So basically remove Eagle's Eye.

I also think you should opt for -1 SoFr, simply because FGs generally don't have that many shards.

Noted. Gotta replace 'em with Elite Wryms (just so that those extra Air quanta gets used) and Longbows (just because KC!Hiryuu uses one :P )
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1196146#msg1196146
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 06:58:55 am »
I'd say that you should probably just get rid of any control cards. It's not so crippling for this deck, and besides, there are plenty of capable FGs without control (like how Divine Glory has no CC or how Elidnis has no PC). So basically remove Eagle's Eye.

I also think you should opt for -1 SoFr, simply because FGs generally don't have that many shards.

Noted. Gotta replace 'em with Elite Wryms (just so that those extra Air quanta gets used) and Longbows (just because KC!Hiryuu uses one :P )

I'd say maybe a few Sky Blitz cards would be nice (and maybe thematic, I don't know much about what this FG is based off of) since they drain Air quanta. Yay for cheating in using excess quanta  :P
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Re: Hiryuu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58820.msg1201295#msg1201295
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2015, 02:58:57 am »
Doesn't Hiryuu mean Fire Dragon? I was surprised you didn't even put fire cards in this deck.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2015, 05:35:46 am »
Doesn't Hiryuu mean Fire Dragon? I was surprised you didn't even put fire cards in this deck.
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The one I took meant 'flying dragon'. :P
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