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Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159610#msg1159610
« on: October 10, 2014, 02:41:34 PM »
Title says it all, preferably with a 60% or higher win rate. So far, I've ended up wasting more Electrum than gaining it lately under my current RoL/Hope deck, shown below.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159615#msg1159615
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 03:09:30 PM »
If it's a fractal deck, do you need that many RoLs? Especially considering they can mess up your pillar draws. 4 RoLs should do, with added miracles.

Meanwhile, the typical upped FG grinders of choice are Pdials and VooDoo Bravery, with all the unupped grinders being just as good as each other, if incredibly painful. To my knowledge, even PDials and VDB struggles to get 60%. I don't know how a semi-upped FG grinder would get close to that.

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Some people may also recommend The Brave Malignant Ball That Could for upped grinding.
Between Pdials and TBMBTC and VDB, Pdials/TBMBTC has a high winrate, but is slower, whilst VDB is a lot faster but with a sloppier win rate. All work just fine.
I would recommend Limitless Speed partially upped if you really want to FG grind unupped- That has... 30%, is it?

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159616#msg1159616
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 03:18:20 PM »
It's basically the classic RoL/Hope with Fractal deck, which explains the 6 RoL I've been advised to use.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159619#msg1159619
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 03:48:07 PM »
Rolhope is not a straightforward deck. It needs a deep knowledge on each god. You need to be on a level that you see the name of the False Gods, and you already know what they are going to throw at you, for example: Oh, so I'm against Seism. My highest priority now is to save all :aether quanta to fractals, play all my RoLs safely and don't play Electrocutors until the shield is up. Oh, so now I'm against Octane? Skip, because it's impossible to win. Now I'm against Decay? I should keep at least 1 RoL in my hand and play only the extras, while making sure to play one when he is likely to use Fractal. He prefers using Fractal on RoLs instead of Pests, which is good for me. Just be sure to never play an Electrocutor, because he can steal it. Etc etc etc.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159621#msg1159621
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 03:52:16 PM »
Also just so you know, generally high win rate doesn't guarantee fast earnings. (You also want relatively fast matches)
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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159636#msg1159636
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 04:27:20 PM »
Also just so you know, generally high win rate doesn't guarantee fast earnings. (You also want relatively fast matches)

Even if I beat a False God, there's no guarantee I'll win a card or two. Still, I'd rather win a majority against them and be in the chance of winning something, rather than struggling against them and losing Electrum in the process.
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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159640#msg1159640
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 04:41:21 PM »
Also just so you know, generally high win rate doesn't guarantee fast earnings. (You also want relatively fast matches)

Even if I beat a False God, there's no guarantee I'll win a card or two. Still, I'd rather win a majority against them and be in the chance of winning something, rather than struggling against them and losing Electrum in the process.

Among FG grinders that are not RoL/Hope that I know of - Voodoo Bravery is fast, PDials SoSa is high-win rate.  If such a thing existed as a fast 60% win-rate FG grinder nobody would use anything else.  I think what you are in search of, Tantoney, does not exist in the state you desire.

RoL/Hope is a very good FG grinder with a proven track record.  I mention this because if you are having issues with it being profitable (or maybe you meant to indicate it is not as profitable as you want, which is totally different) then it is not the deck but the use/user/unlucky-run (unlucky long runs against FG's that are difficult for a specific deck to face is not uncommon).
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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159657#msg1159657
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 05:13:24 PM »
There are always more options! You can see the community recommended decks for FGs Here.
If you have SoSacs I recommend you using Poison Dial SoSac. If you don't but you have SoBrs then try Vodoo Bravery. The win rate is not the best but the games are FAST!
Then I heared people going pretty well in FGs and Platinum with Swallow and New Old Times (almost the same as RoL-Hope, but with SoPas. If you feel what's wrong is the defense then don't use it). Finally I recommend you (as upgraded) Limitless Speed.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159660#msg1159660
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2014, 05:19:15 PM »
Also just so you know, generally high win rate doesn't guarantee fast earnings. (You also want relatively fast matches)

Even if I beat a False God, there's no guarantee I'll win a card or two. Still, I'd rather win a majority against them and be in the chance of winning something, rather than struggling against them and losing Electrum in the process.

Fast wins - what you have in there - means a higher amount of games per hour, and thus games won per hour as you will easily learn when to quit at gods that are unbeatable and beats the one it can beat fast. Thus, decks that are geared to be fast usually have smaller Win Rate, but higher electrum Yield.

If you want a higher WR, then you will obviously receive a smaller EPH.

You need to pick.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159699#msg1159699
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 12:55:25 AM »
Tantoney, do you have a third lobo? The third lobo would increase your winrate by quite a bit, since many gods just require an early lobo for the win.

Based on my testing, RoL/Hope has around 35% winrate even fully upped. Plus it can be really frustrating, as you'll even die to FGs rated as 'easy' if you don't get the combo fast enough. If you want a smooth FG-grinding, then you'll have to go to PDials. BMBalls has the higher winrate, but it can be slow and it requires a a LOT of technical knowledge. VDB is a great deck that will give you lots of electrum, but you will also lose many games. Personally I'd recommend VDB, since it has less shards than Pdials and also gives more money.

Also just so you know, generally high win rate doesn't guarantee fast earnings. (You also want relatively fast matches)

Even if I beat a False God, there's no guarantee I'll win a card or two. Still, I'd rather win a majority against them and be in the chance of winning something, rather than struggling against them and losing Electrum in the process.

Fast wins - what you have in there - means a higher amount of games per hour, and thus games won per hour as you will easily learn when to quit at gods that are unbeatable and beats the one it can beat fast. Thus, decks that are geared to be fast usually have smaller Win Rate, but higher electrum Yield.

If you want a higher WR, then you will obviously receive a smaller EPH.

You need to pick.

Depends. Some opponents are just too fast to reliably rush (FGs being the quintessential example). Some decks can be exceptions (VDB) but even then we don't know if it's outpaced by BMBall's superior winrate.

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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1159702#msg1159702
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Re: Need better FG Farmer Alternative http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56025.msg1167982#msg1167982
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