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FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115202#msg1115202
« on: December 14, 2013, 07:20:11 PM »
I wasn't sure where to post this, or if it's been posted before. I believe the FG's don't all play like normal AI.
Ill be updating this as information comes. I know some FG's will PC a sundial faster then a weapon. And also will hermes target pillars or pendalums? That's the type of information I'd like to give and receive to improve all FG killers topics.
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115222#msg1115222
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 09:11:16 PM »
Higs can provide the most complete knowledge,  I think he can even look up every AI rule.

To my knowledge, you can load a FG deck into the Trainer AI and it plays the exact same.  There is no if this AI is this FG, do this branch of rules.

Now some of the rules were specifically coded for False Gods (See Hecate), along with some common combos of the past (See Ghostmare), The rest fall under a general set of rules, (See Perm Target Priorities), which might make you think that the AI plays different for certain FGs, but it's only because certain conditions are being met more often in those decks, regardless, the rules apply to the AI universally, regardless.  So if you are level 80, and put a copy of Hecate's deck into the arena.  The Arena will play it the exact same way.  Many deck builders spend a lot of time figuring out the AI rules, in order to come up with decks to take advantage of gaps or highly repeatable steps.  For example, Fractal, will target free cost creatures, and even for Decay that order does not put pests ahead of this, because of this, you can trick Decay to Fractal other cards.

The only variance to the rules is Paradox having 8 of 3 types of cards, but this is not an AI rule.

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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115225#msg1115225
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 09:53:14 PM »
Anyone else able to confirm that FG's don't have a separate artificial intelligence then other areas of play?  :o  :( I figured "There gods, they don't obey normal rules." Was hoping this also applied to AI rules of the game.
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115234#msg1115234
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 10:30:45 PM »
Read the AI improvements thread, started back in 2009, when for a brief while another developer was allowed to work on the AI, the changes made here are in effect how the AI works, although many adjustments have been done.

Then to find some of the adjustments
To find some of the adjustments, Just read through the patch notes.
For example:
1.3
The AI now plays a maximum of 6 Shards of Sacrifice per game

1.28x
Bug fix: AI does not attempt anymore to steal permanents if its side of the board is full of permanents already

1.271
- AI learned how to chain sundials
- AI does not play multiple nightfalls/eclipses anymore

Although other adjustments are never mentioned or in the 1.27 version just has "Various AI improvements" noted.
 
So, for those things, and and odd card combinations, someone just needs to figure it out by playing.

To give you a head start on the list if you want to create a thread about all the nuances of the rules, I would start with scalping from a thread from half a year back about all the unspoken rules of elements.

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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115246#msg1115246
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 11:01:37 PM »
Did I post this in the right place? And your sure the FG's act as normal ai? If so I wish FG's to get there own personal mind sets.
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1115329#msg1115329
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 02:43:36 AM »
Let's get a better AI first before we start giving it personalities.

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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1116570#msg1116570
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2013, 04:56:05 AM »
etg in 3 years time: the ai will have conversations with you  :P
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1116574#msg1116574
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2013, 05:25:38 AM »
That is, until SAO Alicization Rising occurs >.>

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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1116575#msg1116575
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2013, 05:37:49 AM »
I'd like to meet the FGs via VR. But that's years in the future. 
Anyway, there's something of that idea in the suggestions board by me. 
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1116641#msg1116641
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2013, 03:09:17 PM »
I'd like to meet the FGs via VR. But that's years in the future. 
Anyway, there's something of that idea in the suggestions board by me.
Do you think it would be in the best interest to delete this post?
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1116668#msg1116668
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 05:29:48 PM »
I think it being moved to a different section is best.  You aren't the only one to ever ask the question though so deleting it seems overkill.
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Re: FG's playing styles. (I dont know where else to post this) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52864.msg1157642#msg1157642
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2014, 09:19:30 AM »
Can someone help me? I have chapuz's Limitless Speed FG OTK  and I lose like 80% of the time ?_?. Everyone says its really good so I dont know whats wrong. Maybe im doin' it wrong?
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