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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363715#msg363715
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2011, 10:51:15 am »
This seems to suggest that there need to be more immaterial permanents and/or cards like Protect Artifact, as large amounts of PC have much more of an impact than large amounts of CC.
Immaterial permanents looks neat to me. So far theres only immaterial weapon and shields. I'm not sure whether it would upset the PvP game balance or not though.

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Chaos Lord, Decay, Octane, Graviton are Obliterator are also made much harder by their small amounts of PC.
Decay is still very weak though with the introduction of sanctuary he's like one of the few FGs along with Neptune where the player easily have ~100% win rate with general deck(not specific deck to counter specific FG). He only have fery few steals which he generally wasted on hourglasses and the like, and to make it worse, no CC at all. Also, to rub salt on the wound, the AI is bad at using fractal. I don't want them to be buffed though, they are Farming Gods for newbs like me.

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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363733#msg363733
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 11:10:50 am »
This seems to suggest that there need to be more immaterial permanents and/or cards like Protect Artifact, as large amounts of PC have much more of an impact than large amounts of CC.
Immaterial permanents looks neat to me. So far theres only immaterial weapon and shields. I'm not sure whether it would upset the PvP game balance or not though.

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Chaos Lord, Decay, Octane, Graviton are Obliterator are also made much harder by their small amounts of PC.
Decay is still very weak though with the introduction of sanctuary he's like one of the few FGs along with Neptune where the player easily have ~100% win rate with general deck(not specific deck to counter specific FG). He only have fery few steals which he generally wasted on hourglasses and the like, and to make it worse, no CC at all. Also, to rub salt on the wound, the AI is bad at using fractal. I don't want them to be buffed though, they are Farming Gods for newbs like me.
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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363746#msg363746
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2011, 11:52:55 am »
This seems to suggest that there need to be more immaterial permanents and/or cards like Protect Artifact, as large amounts of PC have much more of an impact than large amounts of CC.
Immaterial permanents looks neat to me. So far theres only immaterial weapon and shields. I'm not sure whether it would upset the PvP game balance or not though.

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Chaos Lord, Decay, Octane, Graviton are Obliterator are also made much harder by their small amounts of PC.
Decay is still very weak though with the introduction of sanctuary he's like one of the few FGs along with Neptune where the player easily have ~100% win rate with general deck(not specific deck to counter specific FG). He only have fery few steals which he generally wasted on hourglasses and the like, and to make it worse, no CC at all. Also, to rub salt on the wound, the AI is bad at using fractal. I don't want them to be buffed though, they are Farming Gods for newbs like me.
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Yes, I believe that was a mistake. Decay actually has 12 Siphon Lifes, and is one of the heavy CC offenders. He is quite easy for contemporary CCYB and many other rainbows, although I don't think my winrate has been quite that high. Against RoL/Hope, he is much harder (the quanta denial really hits hard).
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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363748#msg363748
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2011, 12:05:16 pm »
Yup, Decay absolutely wrecks RoL/Hope (unless you roll with sancs and get extremely lucky with no steal action), IGT and any voodoo deck. Rainbows aren't the only god killers.  :P

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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363841#msg363841
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2011, 05:07:49 pm »
I would say Paradox for last place.

Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg363846#msg363846
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 05:13:34 pm »
let's not forget that it's FG fighting FGs
PC doesn't really matter that much in FG vs FG format (not saying it doesn't matter)
CC will matter more, considering only a few FGs have quints

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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364004#msg364004
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2011, 11:18:38 pm »
Surely, CC would be important in this FG vs FG scenario. At the other hand, PC wouldnt be so bad considering they all have double draw. We all know how normal decks usually try to equilibrate this with hourglass, and how destroying it is usually bad in early game.

Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364007#msg364007
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2011, 11:34:23 pm »
Surely, CC would be important in this FG vs FG scenario. At the other hand, PC wouldnt be so bad considering they all have double draw. We all know how normal decks usually try to equilibrate this with hourglass, and how destroying it is usually bad in early game.
um... they still have double draw... and triple mark..
if I understand it right, the OP meant two actual FGs with the exact deck, triple mark, and double draw right?

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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364008#msg364008
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2011, 11:37:34 pm »
This seems to suggest that there need to be more immaterial permanents and/or cards like Protect Artifact, as large amounts of PC have much more of an impact than large amounts of CC.
Immaterial permanents looks neat to me. So far theres only immaterial weapon and shields. I'm not sure whether it would upset the PvP game balance or not though.

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Chaos Lord, Decay, Octane, Graviton are Obliterator are also made much harder by their small amounts of PC.
Decay is still very weak though with the introduction of sanctuary he's like one of the few FGs along with Neptune where the player easily have ~100% win rate with general deck(not specific deck to counter specific FG). He only have fery few steals which he generally wasted on hourglasses and the like, and to make it worse, no CC at all. Also, to rub salt on the wound, the AI is bad at using fractal. I don't want them to be buffed though, they are Farming Gods for newbs like me.
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Yes, I believe that was a mistake. Decay actually has 12 Siphon Lifes, and is one of the heavy CC offenders. He is quite easy for contemporary CCYB and many other rainbows, although I don't think my winrate has been quite that high. Against RoL/Hope, he is much harder (the quanta denial really hits hard).
Yes thanks for correcting my mistake. My bad. I must be too used to quint and take it for granted.

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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364092#msg364092
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2011, 02:29:56 am »
Let's look at the effects of CC against gods like Ferox:

Ferox vs. Octane: Octane's gases kill off Ferox's RoLs, and eventually his Leaf Dragons and Giant Frogs. His Eagle's Eyes kill all the big creatures, and eventually Ferox's field is empty. Even without the explosions, the Bonds have no effect. Easy win for Octane.

Ferox vs. Osiris: Just two Scarabs and Osiris can eat the RoLs. A few more and he can eat everything. The Bonds do nothing. Easy win for Osiris.

Ferox vs. Neptune: Neptune completely and utterly obliterates all Ferox's creatures. Easy win for Neptune.

Interestingly, rush gods are less effective against other gods due to 200 HP, as opposed to the 100 HP of a player. This allows control gods more time to gain control over the board.
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Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364097#msg364097
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2011, 02:37:38 am »
Then what about Hermes, who relies on both rushing AND control?

Re: False God Tournament? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27243.msg364106#msg364106
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2011, 02:45:45 am »
cmon guys, this is simple, eternal phoenix will win

no god has anything to stop the fractal phoenix spam, and eternal phoenix has enough control to keep herself alive, that is something we can all agree on, yes?

now, the only god I see that can stand a chance is decay, but I think eternal phoenix is faster, as long as EP get's one good fractal on a minor phoenix off, EP should win the game faster

 

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