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Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195259#msg1195259
« on: July 02, 2015, 08:36:55 pm »
There are many oracle counter ideas to each god, but there are always several options to choose from. So here i listed which decks worked the best for me. Only 1 deck per each god, unless there is no obvious winner among multiple decks or if one requires too many nymphs. Most of these decks are not my creation, i just picked them from the Oracle counter threads.

The list is not full, so some decks might be missing. Updating was done only to gods before Morte.

When deciding what is a good deck, I follow these priorities:
  • The most important factor is winrate.
  • The second factor is EM rate.
  • The least important factor is high HP EM rate.


The False Gods:

Akebono

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 17 - 4.
Number of EMs: 11 / 17.
Special strategy: Instantly Antimatter + Liquid Shadow the biggest thing every turn. No exceptions.

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SCORE: 8 - 3.
Number of EMs: 8 / 8.
Special strategy: If Akebono has a SoFo on the field, use SoSac rather than Sundial to stall. If your HP is low enough after using SoSac, Akebono will use Chimera, thus consuming all SoFos. Don't draw yourself into a deckout with the Sundials.

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(Deck choice suggested by Zso_Zso)

Chaos Lord

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 5 - 1.
Number of EMs: 0 / 5. (For EM, an Aether Tower can be replaced with a Luciferin.)
Special strategy: -

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Dark Matter

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 7 - 1.
Number of EMs: 3 / 7.
Special strategy: Remember that you don't have SoDiv in this deck, so you can't heal from below 49 HP. Don't risk getting under 50HP. Rather play SoSac early than risking to see if you can survive for one more turn. Don't hesitate to chain dials early.

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Decay

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 27 - 0.
Number of EMs: 26 / 27.
Special strategy: Don't summon your lava golems if you can't quint them right away. Play everything else without worries.

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Destiny

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SCORE: 19 - 0.
Number of EMs: 15 / 19.
Special strategy: none.

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Divine Glory

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 6 - 2.
Number of EMs: 6 / 6.
Special strategy: Don't be afraid of filling your field with RoLs early and not keeping too much space for dragons. Safety is more important, plus you need quanta faster than you deal damage.

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SCORE: 6 - 1.
Number of EMs: 0 / 6.
Special strategy: DG will only use Miracle when her HP is at 21 or below, so use your Silences accordingly. (Usually the AI heals around 50 HP, but only if there is decent damage output on the opponent's side)

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Dream Catcher

Spoiler for almost reliable:
SCORE: 7 - 6.
Number of EMs: 5 / 7.
Special strategy: Quintessence and Amber Nymph must be played together. Play Eternity and Sanctuary only if you can protect them right away. Never leave the Voodoo Doll on the field. Use your Eternity on your Voodoo Doll to prevent deckout. If you didn't draw Eternity yet, don't use your Reverse Time on anything, in case your Eternity is the last card in your deck and you need to avoid deckout.

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SCORE: 4 - 2.
Number of EMs: 0 / 4. (If you want EM, you can add an extra Heal to the deck)
Special strategy: QT+PA start is necessary for a safe start. Expect a lot of PC right at the start.

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Elidnis

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 11 - 1.
Number of EMs: 9 / 11.
Special strategy: you can discard one TU or the dragon/momentum if there are bigger (and unprotected) Forest Spectres on the opposite field.

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(deck was suggested by Zso_Zso)

SCORE: 19 - 5.
Number of EMs: 18 / 19.
Special strategy: draw for shield like crazy, because the healing in this deck is minimal. When you have plenty shields, stop drawing, beceause you can easily deck yourself out.

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Eternal Phoenix

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 18 - 2.
Number of EMs: 0 / 18.
Special strategy: Don't use storms before you can play bonewall or there are reasonable amount of phoenixes on the field. You can wait until you get to around 50 HP before playing your first bonewall.

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Ferox

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SCORE: 10 - 3.
Number of EMs: 10 / 10.
Special strategy: none.

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Fire Queen

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 16 - 2.
Number of EMs: 15 / 16.
Special strategy: Don't let yourself under 40 HP. Play the combo in this order when you have all cards for it: Miracle + Heal + Condor + Fractal + other Condors + Fire Storm + Sky Blitz.

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Gemini

Spoiler for almost reliable:
SCORE: 8 - 2.
Number of EMs: 7 / 8.
Special strategy: Be careful, because Gemini tends to suddenly use all her Twin Universes on the biggest available creature when she has around 120 HP left. Avoid drawing yourself into a deckout.

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Graviton

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 14 - 3.
Number of EMs: 10 / 14.
Special strategy: Rather use SoSac early than risk getting below 49 HP.

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Hecate

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 2 - 2.
Number of EMs: 2 / 2.
Special strategy: Let you be Nightmared 1 or 2 times if possible to avoid deckout

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SCORE: 2 - 2.
Number of EMs: 2 / 2.

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Hermes

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 23 - 4.
Number of EMs: 0 / 22.
Special strategy: Use Twin Universe on big lava destroyers. Don't use EA/PA on anything else than your shields.

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Incarnate

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 27 - 1.
Number of EMs: 14 / 27.
Special strategy: If you get too trigger happy with summoning dolls, you will win faster, but you'll lose the chance for an EM. To get EM, summon only 4-5 dolls, then wait until it's safe to fractal Incarnate's vampires to heal you back.

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SCORE: 8 - 0.
Number of EMs: 6 / 8.
Special strategy: It's much easier to get an EM with this deck, plus it's a bit more reliable than the previous one.

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(deck suggested by Zso_Zso)

Jezebel

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 27 - 14.
Number of EMs: 8 / 27.
Special strategy: Use Protect Artifact on Jezebel's Quantum Towers first. Don't use PA on her Water Towers if she already has a Nymph Queen on the field, because she won't generate more Nymph Queens than 1. If necessary, immolate your oracle pet. Play your permanents combined with PAs.
(strategy was enhanced by Zso_Zso)

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Lionheart

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 3 - 0.
Number of EMs: 3 / 3.
Special strategy: none.

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(deck was suggested by Zso_Zso)

SCORE: 11 - 1.
Number of EMs: 11 / 11.
Special strategy: Save Quintessences to use on Lionheart's last creatures. This way he will deck himself out. If you are lucky, you can mindgate an Eternity, a Crusader and enough quanta from him to prevent your own deckout if things go wrong.

(FUN)
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Miracle

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 16 - 1.
Number of EMs: 14 / 16.
Special strategy: Start chaining your Silences right before you lower Miracle under 50 HP.

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Morte

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 16 - 2.
Number of EMs: 14 / 16.
Special strategy: Don't use Unstable Gases separately. Wait until you have enough to kill Morte in one turn and then blow them up. You can blow up a gas early to get rid of a Retrovirus even if it does damage to your own nymphs.

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Neptune

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 19 - 0.
Number of EMs: 18 / 19.
Special strategy: none.

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Obliterator

Spoiler for almost reliable:
SCORE: 6 - 3.
Number of EMs: 3 / 6.
Special strategy: Summon and Quint the purple nymphs first.

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Octane

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 13 - 2.
Number of EMs: 12 / 13. (9 of these were 500 HP EMs)
Special strategy: Hold on to your Stone Skins as long as you can to get more HP out of them.

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Osiris

not enough statistics

Paradox

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SCORE: 23 - 1.
Number of EMs: 18 / 23.
Special strategy: none.

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Rainbow

Spoiler for almost reliable:
SCORE: 7 - 6.
Number of EMs: 1 / 7.
Special strategy: Use the Silence before Rainbow gets to 50 HP to prevent him using Miracle.

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Scorpio

Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 14 - 4.
Number of EMs: 1 / 14.
Special strategy: Don't wait for healing, be as fast with your damage as possible.

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Seism

nothing reliable yet
not enough statistics

Serket
Spoiler for Hidden:
SCORE: 8 - 0.
Number of EMs: 8 / 8.
Special strategy: Hold on to your Stone Skins as long as possible, preferably until you have 70+ :earth quanta.

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« Last Edit: April 04, 2016, 11:28:39 am by Submachine »
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195260#msg1195260
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 08:52:34 pm »
y ty sub, now i know what to use against some of these FGs :P
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195269#msg1195269
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 09:44:11 pm »
Hey Sub! Good to see you back in activity before September  ;D

Nice stats. I did not keep a record myself, but some of the decks I use are different in strategy from yours and I have a feeling might be better, e.g. I have used Liquid-Antimatter against Akebono before but I did not feel it to be consistent enough and with the PoisonDials variant I use I usually get a pretty smooth EM against it.

So, here is my list (same disclaimer applies: these are not my deck ideas, although there are some tweaks I made in some of them compared to the counter thread):

Akebono      
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Chaos Lord     
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Dark-Matter   
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Decay      
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Destiny      
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Divine-Glory   
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Dream-Catcher   
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Elidnis      
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Eternal-Phoenix   
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Here my strategy is same as Sub's, but my advice would be different: if you have only one PA/EA, use it on the Quantum Towers. The AI will only make 1 nymph queen, but if you allow it to get several random nymphs out of QTs, it can get nasty. So I think it is safer to target QT first and only water towers after if you get a chance for a 2nd PA.
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195270#msg1195270
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 09:55:44 pm »
Heh, yw Disc. ;)

And thanks, Zso! :)
I save your decks in my deck manager and start keeping record of them. The ones which i didn't have a reliable counter for will be especially useful. :D

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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195277#msg1195277
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2015, 11:24:29 pm »
I have only just started venturing against FGs, so I don't have the same impressive stats as you - nor as many upgraded cards!  I'm still playing against FGs with nearly wholly unupped decks.  After farming bronze arena for the last few months, I've realised I now have enough electrum to start buying the cards I am missing in order to attempt some of these decks.

My question (defs a noobie one) is regarding your collection of stats eg:
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SCORE: 17 - 4.
Number of EMs: 11 / 17.

Those numbers, ie, 21 games.  Is that from actual games, or just from against the trainer?

If it's the former, colour me well impressed!  For playing FGs for that long, and keeping such accurate records! :)
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195282#msg1195282
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2015, 11:43:10 pm »
Yes, these are stats from the actual game. :) That's why i don't have stats for some of the gods, because i didn't roll them as much as the others.
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195294#msg1195294
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2015, 01:24:50 am »
Your advice for DG seems off; you only need 8 RoLs for complete immunity and 12-13 to fuel dragontal. RoL spam migt work out in the end, but why risk it?

VDB might be better (tho EMless) for Jezzie/Dream Catcher
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Re: Most useful oracle counter collection [with statistics] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58773.msg1195405#msg1195405
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2015, 06:11:13 pm »
Your advice for DG seems off; you only need 8 RoLs for complete immunity and 12-13 to fuel dragontal. RoL spam migt work out in the end, but why risk it?

VDB might be better (tho EMless) for Jezzie/Dream Catcher
Even with only 8 dragons on the field, Divine Glory is a cakewalk if you have your shield ready. I don't have much stats there (only 5-1), but i remember that the strategy i wrote was necessary in 3 games out of the six, and one of them was the loss.

As you can see for Dream Catcher, my best deck found is still not fully reliable (almost equal win and lose rate), so as i said in the OP, if you have a better deck, don't hesitate to share it. Though please only share decks that you actually used against these False Gods in the past. From what you said ("VDB might be better") i don't feel like you actually tried using VDB against either Jezzie or DC (unless it's just misleading phrasing).
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