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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1150855#msg1150855
« Reply #120 on: August 13, 2014, 10:05:09 am »
AI first looks to CC your Rays, so Nightmare ensures they get some Rays of their own.

It looks nice for a start. You can always pack upped SoBe's for card draw in a Nova deck. With that you can pack more Dragons, Miracles, Nightmares.. everything. That said, a bigger deck isn't what I'd advise here as it's a combo deck; you really want your draws to be reliable. An option for reliable offence would be Morning Glory, but I imagine you get enough :light to just add 1 more Dragon, or perhaps an Archangel. EP can't kill your Dragons in one turn, so the AA could heal 'em up.
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1150889#msg1150889
« Reply #121 on: August 13, 2014, 12:13:27 pm »
I thought ai only valued :light-producing creatures highly when you have a hope up...
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1150892#msg1150892
« Reply #122 on: August 13, 2014, 12:16:27 pm »
Free creatures have a pretty darn high creature score, which is what determines their worth on the field. In this case and in the case of Decay, we need only know Ray is considered better than Pest and MP.
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1150920#msg1150920
« Reply #123 on: August 13, 2014, 06:20:41 pm »
Are the nightmares necessary? Won't the ai fractal the RoL anyway?
EP usually uses CC before fractal. Also he produces  :aether  only with his mark. That means 3 :aether per turn, so he can use a fractal every 3 turns (more if he uses also thunderbolt). If you want to fill his field of RoL you cant just rely only on his fractal. Also nightmare prevents him to draw new card.

You can always pack upped SoBe's for card draw in a Nova deck.
I tought about SoB but I don't think this is a good idea:
_if you use it when his field isn't filled up with RoL, he can draw Ruby dragons which are a problem.
_if you use it when his field is already full, then his hand will be also full because he can't play his creature. So you can't draw properly.

I noticed that later in the game his fire lances could be a problem. Maybe I can do +1 Mirror Sheild, -1 Solar Buckler and use it only when the :light quanta is enough.

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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1150964#msg1150964
« Reply #124 on: August 14, 2014, 05:20:30 am »
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Yesterday I got Eternal Phoenix as prediction from the oracle and I check the strategy thread as usual, looking for a nice EM deck... Then I realized there isn't a really RELIABLE EM deck for this FG. So I start to think at possible solutions and I had an idea:

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1) KEEP AT LEAST one RoL in your hand until you can also play a nightmare on it
2) Play solar bucket only when you also have a PA
3) The idea is to fill the enemy's field with RoL which can't hurt you if you have your shield on and also they can provide you A LOT of  :light quanta

I'm sure this can be improved because i'm not very good at making decks, but I want to share it so maybe one of you can reach the perfect solution.

I did some game with this deck and I think the base idea is working, BUT:
_sometime it has problem because it doesn't do enough damage (maybe a SoP could be the solution?)
_early Ruby dragons are hard to handle (should I add a thunderbolt?)
_the  :light mark is not essential, maybe it can be changed in to some more useful element
_would be nice to find a way to draw more cards in order to have a bigger deck.


Please try this and help me to improve it. We need to find a way to find a reliable EM deck here!
Got EP for my prediction today and decided to test this. Unfortunately, I never drew my Enchant Artifact, so I lost. However, my thoughts on the strategy are positive - I think this could work. I think an option to consider is Precogs. I would remove the Holy Flash because the Nightmares can still help you get the EM.

So even without including precogs, removing a Nightmare takes it down to 30 cards, which helps slightly.
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1151138#msg1151138
« Reply #125 on: August 15, 2014, 01:21:32 pm »
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Yesterday I got Eternal Phoenix as prediction from the oracle and I check the strategy thread as usual, looking for a nice EM deck... Then I realized there isn't a really RELIABLE EM deck for this FG. So I start to think at possible solutions and I had an idea:

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Spoiler for Strategy:
1) KEEP AT LEAST one RoL in your hand until you can also play a nightmare on it
2) Play solar bucket only when you also have a PA
3) The idea is to fill the enemy's field with RoL which can't hurt you if you have your shield on and also they can provide you A LOT of  :light quanta

I'm sure this can be improved because i'm not very good at making decks, but I want to share it so maybe one of you can reach the perfect solution.

I did some game with this deck and I think the base idea is working, BUT:
_sometime it has problem because it doesn't do enough damage (maybe a SoP could be the solution?)
_early Ruby dragons are hard to handle (should I add a thunderbolt?)
_the  :light mark is not essential, maybe it can be changed in to some more useful element
_would be nice to find a way to draw more cards in order to have a bigger deck.


Please try this and help me to improve it. We need to find a way to find a reliable EM deck here!
Got EP for my prediction today and decided to test this. Unfortunately, I never drew my Enchant Artifact, so I lost. However, my thoughts on the strategy are positive - I think this could work. I think an option to consider is Precogs. I would remove the Holy Flash because the Nightmares can still help you get the EM.

So even without including precogs, removing a Nightmare takes it down to 30 cards, which helps slightly.

You are definitely right about the Holy Flash!
I have the same feelings on this deck, the idea could work but we need to fix something.

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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1166290#msg1166290
« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2014, 09:21:43 am »
Used Nightmare Rays, got smashed by Ruby Dragon. Went again, handily smashed Dream Catcher :P

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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1171759#msg1171759
« Reply #127 on: December 17, 2014, 10:06:19 pm »
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Used a partially upgraded version (just whatever I had available, switching the mark to darkness to help fuel the nightmares, it should work fine with the dragons and miracles downgraded as well). I also started with a gnome rider as pet, which wasn't planned for, but turned out surprisingly helpful when I didn't draw any novae for 9 turns, allowing me to get a protected shield up regardless. Sadly, I also ended up losing to a ruby dragon EP managed to play before his field was filled up, so I think a bit of CC might be a good idea. Maybe 1 Lightning and 1 Shockwave, to spread the cost. Or, if you are feeling adventurous and have upgraded nightmares, you could switch to a mark of air and use a PA Eagle's Eye, because overkill is the best kind of kill ;)
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1180602#msg1180602
« Reply #128 on: February 27, 2015, 02:46:25 pm »
was to easy use this em make sure not run out of cards.....
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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1236340#msg1236340
« Reply #129 on: June 27, 2016, 06:47:49 pm »
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I'm not sure why the deck in the OP has Water Pends and not Bone Towers. I've tried it a few times and always find myself wanting more Death quanta. Eternal Phoenix isn't going to kill you in the 2/3 turns before Dry Spell becomes playable from just a mark. After that you'll have more Water than you need thanks to Dry Spells extra generation. I run something more like the Bonestorm deck instead;

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Re: Oracle : Eternal Phoenix https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg1236356#msg1236356
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Have you never had your towers blown up? You'll be happy your mark is :death

 

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