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Title: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Opsinis on February 04, 2013, 06:10:20 am
Hey, 1 of 2 Newsletter writers here,

As well-received as the NewsLetter seems, there is always room for improvement and adjustment.
Since this is the Elements Community Newsletter, I feel the community should have what it wants in it. (That makes sense, no?)

So tell us, how can we improve/adjust your specific sections (TO's about Tourneys, Warmasters about War, or anybody for anywhere [but especially the people close to their projects] etc....)
(Anybody) - What else can we include? What should we take out? Are you starting a new project, or you feel that you've created/achieved/blew up/thought up/painted something incredible? Tell us about it!

Both whatifidogetcaught? and I share the feeling that there hasn't been much communication of what YOU want that you don't see.
This thread is to 1) Prompt you to PM either of us with your ideas  2) Provide a space for you to post them. (We will respond in the same fashion you communicate to us)

Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: vrt on February 04, 2013, 06:24:19 am
Dedicate more room to things that've been shot down multiple times by zanzarino.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Onizuka on February 04, 2013, 06:47:45 am
Spoilering the entire card idea section.

No need to say to suggest a PVP Event idea.

Agree with vrt about mark stuff.

Keep the card faction thing out of the group of ideas that come from not the CIA. Give this general area its own title, like the deck idea/card idea parts do.

Community vote for deck to review. Done last week of each month for the deck to be reviewed for the month after next (Ex: At end of feb, deck thread goes up and most voted for option will be the deck idea for april).

No gifs in newsletter.


Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: bripod on February 04, 2013, 06:55:54 am
I know it's not exactly related to the newsletter, but I'd like to see a vote on who to interview for Featured Community Member...
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Opsinis on February 04, 2013, 07:03:25 am
Dedicate more room to things that've been shot down multiple times by zanzarino.
I definitely don't appreciate sarcasm.
The Hybrid mark's debut in the NewsLetter celebrated the completion of all the marks. It's neat artistically and thematically.

Spoilering the entire card idea section. Good thoughts, balance is important, but I can't spoiler all big things.

No need to say to suggest a PVP Event idea.

Agree with vrt about mark stuff.

Keep the card faction thing out of the group of ideas that come from not the CIA. Give this general area its own title, like the deck idea/card idea parts do. I'm honestly not sure how much that'll be annouced/part of other News Letters, we'll see.

Community vote for deck to review. Done last week of each month for the deck to be reviewed for the month after next (Ex: At end of feb, deck thread goes up and most voted for option will be the deck idea for april). Neat idea, we'll see what we can do with this.

No gifs in newsletter. We weren't going to not include n00b's pic. But I know gifs give some people trouble.




I know it's not exactly related to the newsletter, but I'd like to see a vote on who to interview for Featured Community Member...
We did it this month only because the Council didn't. They choose who interviews and who is interviewed. But thanks
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: vrt on February 04, 2013, 07:07:27 am
Dedicate more room to things that've been shot down multiple times by zanzarino.
I definitely don't appreciate sarcasm.
The Hybrid mark's debut in the NewsLetter celebrated the completion of all the marks. It's neat artistically and thematically.

So projects that are 'neat' but really won't do much for the game get half the newsletter, art that gets in-game gets a single mention in an earlier newspost. You see how this makes no sense right?

And if you can't handle sarcasm, probably best to just address the issue while it's being discussed before, right? :)
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Opsinis on February 04, 2013, 07:35:57 am
Dedicate more room to things that've been shot down multiple times by zanzarino.
I definitely don't appreciate sarcasm.
The Hybrid mark's debut in the NewsLetter celebrated the completion of all the marks. It's neat artistically and thematically.

So projects that are 'neat' but really won't do much for the game get half the newsletter, art that gets in-game gets a single mention in an earlier newspost. You see how this makes no sense right?

And if you can't handle sarcasm, probably best to just address the issue while it's being discussed before, right? :)

So, from what I am getting as I decipher your feedback is, you would prefer the marks to be in a spoiler?
Your art was mentioned in the last NewsLetter. I apologize if one NewsLetter is not enough. Do you want half a NewsLetter as well?
1.32 was out quickly after the NewsLetter was published, giving ample time for people to acquaint themselves with the new changes and art.
Will Hybrid marks make it into the game? Unlikely. Was it a community project? Is this the Community NewsLetter?
Also, the marks are finished, so it is likely to not be in another NewsLetter.
And on sarcasm: it simply has no place in a thread designed for constructive criticism.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: TribalTrouble on February 04, 2013, 10:01:04 am
Very well handled right there. Okay, since you really want suggestions and I am having a 5:00AM Brain Burst:
1) Do some News Letter-Exclusive Interviews.
2) Post Highlights? Highlight a quote of a really good post seen this month.
3) Have some stuff from the Off Topic section. Maybe there was a really good story posted, or perhaps someone did a really good joke in chat.
4) Have an opportunity for other members to help work on the News Letter. For example, you could have an Editor and a "Letter From The Editor"
5) Awesome/Close/Best/ etc. PvP Duels.
6) "Picture says 1,000 words" Pick a hilarious picture to put in the newsletter for humor :)
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Marsu on February 04, 2013, 11:38:50 am
I'm a bit surprised by how the comments look so far. If you think something is lacking, feel free to post it. But the hybrid marks are a piece of art in itself, a great inspiration for new decks, and an effort of a big group of the community. This is more than enough to justify adding them to the newslatter. I also agree that this is a topic where constructive criticism is needed and sarcasm has no place.
Maybe vrt would be content with a mentioning of this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,45758.24.html) idea in the next newslatter. There is also a poll, as I heard wiidgc likes numbers. :)
One other thing: Keep the reminder of being able to submit an own PvP Event. That's a great chance to participate in this community, and people should be reminded that they have it.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Chapuz on February 04, 2013, 01:39:15 pm
How about letting the community members tell you by PM some important things they think there should be added?
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on February 04, 2013, 01:50:41 pm
Very well handled right there. Okay, since you really want suggestions and I am having a 5:00AM Brain Burst:
1) Do some News Letter-Exclusive Interviews. Not really sure how well that will work out, but we will consider it.
2) Post Highlights? Highlight a quote of a really good post seen this month.  I was thinking something like, name who has that signature! Or something.
3) Have some stuff from the Off Topic section. Maybe there was a really good story posted, or perhaps someone did a really good joke in chat. That and Forum Games =p
4) Have an opportunity for other members to help work on the News Letter. For example, you could have an Editor and a "Letter From The Editor" That would make it seem more like a newsletter now wouldn't it?
5) Awesome/Close/Best/ etc. PvP Duels. I think we have a thread for that, but I would have to find it, and people would have to use it.
6) "Picture says 1,000 words" Pick a hilarious picture to put in the newsletter for humor :) Considering.

How about letting the community members tell you by PM some important things they think there should be added? oops too late.

Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Chapuz on February 04, 2013, 03:58:17 pm
Not late at all, assuming there will be another newsletter in some weeks.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Elbirn on February 04, 2013, 04:21:51 pm
As for the hybrid mark controversy, they are deserving of being included in the news letter for reasons previously stated. Yes, they will never be used in game. But that was never the intention, as is my understanding. They're just fun little images. I used the Darkness/Aether hybrid mark as my avatar at one point because they were my two favorite elements, and represented my favorite deck, Pestal. Others use them for hypothetical dual elements card ideas, which, while not practical, are fun! The fact is, a lot of us put a lot of work into making those over the years, and that's worthy of mentioning.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_memuu7KfA01r96x1xo1_400.png)

If Vrt's complaint is lack of appreciation for his own work...Well, considering that everyone here <3's him, his work gets in the game, he was featured in the last newsletter...Sir, I'm not certain what it is you want :|

As for Oni's .gif complaint, I kinda agree. While I have no issue with gifs myself, some users do; and honestly, it...Takes away from the newspapery-ness imo. Simple solution: Feature a member whose avatar is a gif? Make a jpeg out of it. Taadaaa. ^_^
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on February 04, 2013, 04:26:21 pm
I love all the newsletters, and I do agree that anything which takes up --too-- much space can be spoilered.

Also, maybe you can allow the Newsletters to be a little more interactive, perhaps leaving a little question at the end and featuring the most creative answer in the next newsletter. More often than not the responses to the Newsletters are "Good job, I liked it" and to be honest, not much more than that can be put.

Just an idea..
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Marsu on February 04, 2013, 06:13:01 pm
^
Oh, I love that idea. You could post a question and the most funny answer gets featured. But you could also post a certain card and feature the most innovative, yet playable, deck containing the card and its creator in the next edition. Those are just 2 out of a hundred ideas. Something that's somehow interactive is definetly a great idea.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Drake_XIV on February 04, 2013, 07:35:13 pm
As for the Card Idea section, the table isn't completely necessary, as they should be linked to the card's original thread to see the, what I feel is more important, NOTES.  And I could probably just spoiler segments of my submissions.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: moomoose on February 09, 2013, 09:22:10 pm
i generally agree with vrt's feeling on this one.  while a collective effort was put in for the hybrid marks, and i dont dispute that it was worthy of inclusion, it was given a disproportionate amount of space relative to its actual impact.  hybrid marks are really a just-for-fun thing for emerald tiger and a few others who enjoy playing with them, but have minimal impact beyond that.  a link to the thread probably would have been sufficient, or at least putting it in a spoiler tag.

personally i enjoy art even more when i know the artists, and there are a number of very talented artists here, several of whom have had their art put into game, and others such as kami, thalas and a few others, who to my knowledge have not (yet) seen their art put in game.  when art makes it into the game, it may be worthwhile to have more attention given to it, ask the artist questions about it, and/or ask them for any supplementary pieces which may broaden the understanding of the piece.

on a side note- the same potential for a mini-interview could be extended to those who designed cards which made it into the game.  i understand that this could sound self serving, but considering my card designing is just about over, unless zanz goes back through my portfolio and finds something he missed, it isn't likely be relevant to myself.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Marsu on March 17, 2013, 08:45:24 pm
Random ideas: Let a member of this community have something like a "monthly rant". Could be humorous, wouldn't have to be. Topic could be anything related to this community or Elements in general.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 18, 2013, 01:51:07 am
Random ideas: Let a member of this community have something like a "monthly rant". Could be humorous, wouldn't have to be. Topic could be anything related to this community or Elements in general.
Interesting. Would have to be appropriate of course.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Opsinis on March 18, 2013, 01:55:47 am
Random ideas: Let a member of this community have something like a "monthly rant". Could be humorous, wouldn't have to be. Topic could be anything related to this community or Elements in general.
Interesting. Would have to be appropriate of course.
While I haven't talked this over with wiidgc, and I do appreciate feedback, I don't think that is a path to go down.
If it were to be implemented, I feel it would most definitely need to be funny so to avoid offending/upsetting/angering people as well as sparking completely avoidable arguements in the NewsLetter thread.
Then there's a matter of choosing who should rant, about what, is it appropriate, is it relevant, is it valid. And in all honesty, I don't think it would bring the community any closer together.
~Thanks for the suggestion!
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Marsu on March 18, 2013, 02:49:56 am
@Opsinis: I disagree, but I can understand you not really wanting to take risks. You could also do the exact opposite, a "monthly eulogy" (that probably sounds idiotic) where someone (always the same one? or maybe let anyone send it in, and decide which one to include?) says what great thing he experienced in this community and, if that's not too cheesy, what everyone can learn from it. Could be anything, perhaps an especially fair opponent in PvP, a TO really making an effort to improve tournament rules (Hello Vineroz), a user hosting a fun PvP challenge (*cough*), or whatver.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Cheesy111 on March 18, 2013, 03:13:27 am
@Opsinis: I disagree, but I can understand you not really wanting to take risks. You could also do the exact opposite, a "monthly eulogy" (that probably sounds idiotic) where someone (always the same one? or maybe let anyone send it in, and decide which one to include?) says what great thing he experienced in this community and, if that's not too cheesy, what everyone can learn from it. Could be anything, perhaps an especially fair opponent in PvP, a TO really making an effort to improve tournament rules (Hello Vineroz), a user hosting a fun PvP challenge (*cough*), or whatver.

That's cool, but I don't understand why you feel the need to specifically exclude me  :(
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 18, 2013, 08:30:23 pm
@Opsinis: I disagree, but I can understand you not really wanting to take risks. You could also do the exact opposite, a "monthly eulogy" (that probably sounds idiotic) where someone (always the same one? or maybe let anyone send it in, and decide which one to include?) says what great thing he experienced in this community and, if that's not too cheesy, what everyone can learn from it. Could be anything, perhaps an especially fair opponent in PvP, a TO really making an effort to improve tournament rules (Hello Vineroz), a user hosting a fun PvP challenge (*cough*), or whatver.

That's cool, but I don't understand why you feel the need to specifically exclude me  :(
*huggles Cheesy*
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Vineroz on May 04, 2013, 02:39:10 pm
An individual board for newsletter, probably under Forum News and Announcements. I honestly don't like how newsletter-related threads are occupying General Discussion board now.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Opsinis on May 04, 2013, 04:59:52 pm
An individual board for newsletter, probably under Forum News and Announcements. I honestly don't like how newsletter-related threads are occupying General Discussion board now.
Good thought, asked and denied.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Rutarete on May 04, 2013, 05:52:53 pm
An individual board for newsletter, probably under Forum News and Announcements. I honestly don't like how newsletter-related threads are occupying General Discussion board now.
Good thought, asked and denied.
Not even a sub-forum?
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on May 04, 2013, 07:51:40 pm
An individual board for newsletter, probably under Forum News and Announcements. I honestly don't like how newsletter-related threads are occupying General Discussion board now.
Good thought, asked and denied.
Not even a sub-forum?
^This. A sub-forum wouldn't clutter up the front page but would make it easier to organize/post newsletters and nomination threads. (Reminds me of 12Realms, when ScaredGirl put a subforum in the literary board because the story was becoming very large.)
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Higurashi on May 05, 2013, 02:58:27 pm
The News and Announcements board is there for being seen. A child board would further clutter up the look of the forum main page, which is already very full. I've noticed it's hard for most newbies to navigate themselves even with our welcoming PM, so if anything I'm looking to reduce the number of child boards. Worst of all though, the newsletters would get less views if they weren't in the News and Announcements main board, and that would be a great shame since they're so well constructed.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Vineroz on May 05, 2013, 03:49:11 pm
any fix for them cluttering GE board though? They are like getting out of control.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Plastica on August 05, 2013, 12:55:09 am
Posting to follow the thread.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Theboss1248 on August 05, 2013, 02:20:26 am
There may already be a way to do this but is there a way to make the newsletter fit on the screen without the side scrolling bar?
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Shrink on August 05, 2013, 11:14:51 am
There may already be a way to do this but is there a way to make the newsletter fit on the screen without the side scrolling bar?

As of right now, the only way I know of "fixing" this issue is by quoting it and bringing it into a PM to preview -without- the spoiler.
That's an awfully dumb fix, so I apologize. I've been trying to figure out how to properly modify the dimensions, but I haven't
had much luck.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Marsu on October 11, 2013, 09:50:16 am
Heyho Shrinkie. I wanted to post this since almost half a year and always forgot. So it is basically a critique that has nothing to do with minor changes you made, but with the original newsletter:

Basically, 80% of the newsletter are just "facts". Events: x is going on, y has begun. Tournaments: x won, then y won, then z won. And so on and so on. Now, I really think it's good to have this kind of stuff in the newsletter, but I also think that can't be all, because noone takes joy out of reading that. My favourite part is probably the interview, I always read everything there. Card and deck idea of the month are cool too, but that's it. So I'd kind of wish for a bit more of actual content. Of course, I can imagine just how much work it is for you already, so what I'm suggesting is the following:

a) Hire someone (unoffically, not as a staff title of course) who writes a monthly column. This could be a "Rage thread of the month" (This was my first idea and I still find it to be the funniest one, however people might get offended :p), where said person writes about what really pissed him off in this community last month. Alternatively and less risky, the exact opposite: A monthly column where said person writes random stuff about what good things happened to him in this community. (For example, "event x is really fun because of y, thanks so much z for coming up with it", or "player x is such a fair sportsman, he let me replay a match where y happened, we should all learn something from him blabla")
So yeah, stuff like that. Just so we'd have a bit more to actually read. Probably unsurprisingly, I'd be willing to do it btw. :p (I still prefer the rage version though, we could call it "Ze monthly German rage")

b) This might be the case anyway, but if it is, few people know it: Please state that everyone can basically send in anything Elements-related, and if it's cool it will appear in the newsletter. For example a self-drawn Elements related picture - both painted or RL - elements lore, crazy elements screenshots, even some statistical calculations relevant for pvp, and so on. Because the problem is, if you create, for example,  a "monthly screenshot" section, sooner or later people will stop sending something in. So in my opinion, you should give the readers these options and if something cool is sent in you post it and if not, there simply won't be a screenshot/art/... section in that respective newsletter.

'kay, just my ideas. Let me know what you think! Sorry for the bad English, wrote this in a hurry. ^^
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Shrink on October 11, 2013, 11:37:08 am
I'm a pink kind of guy. See me below.

Heyho Shrinkie. I wanted to post this since almost half a year and always forgot. So it is basically a critique that has nothing to do with minor changes you made, but with the original newsletter:

Basically, 80% of the newsletter are just "facts". Events: x is going on, y has begun. Tournaments: x won, then y won, then z won. And so on and so on. Now, I really think it's good to have this kind of stuff in the newsletter, but I also think that can't be all, because noone takes joy out of reading that. My favourite part is probably the interview, I always read everything there. Card and deck idea of the month are cool too, but that's it. So I'd kind of wish for a bit more of actual content. Of course, I can imagine just how much work it is for you already, so what I'm suggesting is the following:

Subjectivity could get me into troubles, but I like where this is headed.

a) Hire someone (unoffically, not as a staff title of course) who writes a monthly column. This could be a "Rage thread of the month" (This was my first idea and I still find it to be the funniest one, however people might get offended :p), where said person writes about what really pissed him off in this community last month. Alternatively and less risky, the exact opposite: A monthly column where said person writes random stuff about what good things happened to him in this community. (For example, "event x is really fun because of y, thanks so much z for coming up with it", or "player x is such a fair sportsman, he let me replay a match where y happened, we should all learn something from him blabla")
So yeah, stuff like that. Just so we'd have a bit more to actually read. Probably unsurprisingly, I'd be willing to do it btw. :p (I still prefer the rage version though, we could call it "Ze monthly German rage")

Okay, this exact column may not happen, but I have an idea that I think you would settle for.

b) This might be the case anyway, but if it is, few people know it: Please state that everyone can basically send in anything Elements-related, and if it's cool it will appear in the newsletter. For example a self-drawn Elements related picture - both painted or RL - elements lore, crazy elements screenshots, even some statistical calculations relevant for pvp, and so on. Because the problem is, if you create, for example,  a "monthly screenshot" section, sooner or later people will stop sending something in. So in my opinion, you should give the readers these options and if something cool is sent in you post it and if not, there simply won't be a screenshot/art/... section in that respective newsletter.

I welcome all things that get sent to me regarding each of the sections right now. But, it's usually not the case that I receive things.

'kay, just my ideas. Let me know what you think! Sorry for the bad English, wrote this in a hurry. ^^

If this is bad, I'd like to see your good English. Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: timetock on October 11, 2013, 12:03:32 pm
Get a humor section. ;D We all like humor, yes.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Laxadarap on October 11, 2013, 02:00:08 pm
Get a humor section. ;D We all like humor, yes.

Have an artist do comics.  Monthly elements comics would be hilarious.  Could have separate story lines and such going on.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on November 23, 2013, 02:03:23 am
I would like to help out with a Tools/Technical section. CuCN, serprex, and I have put a lot of work into the card tracker recently, for example.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Dm on May 17, 2014, 01:09:55 pm
Time to answer old stuff!
And because I like feedback, as well.

any fix for them cluttering GE board though? They are like getting out of control.

Deck Idea of the Month and Card Idea of the Month archive have both been respectively moved to the Council Board (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/elements-council/). Hopefully this fixes some of the clutter. Now, since they're in the same board as Interview Archive, maybe they'll be easier to find. I'm in the process of updating this now.
(This was still kind of an issue despite the old post, so why not.)

There may already be a way to do this but is there a way to make the newsletter fit on the screen without the side scrolling bar?
This has been fixed. Can you guys tell me what do you think of this and the current look of newsletter?


Anyone out there has problem with stuff and would like me to spoiler the newsletter? I can work on that if you guys find it needed.

Last newsletter came without any images - How did you guys feel about it? I'm thinking of writing this newsletter in a similar fashion (I have problems with images since my internet, yeah. I need to be able to load and see my own newsletter fast and stuff.) Do you think it should have Images regardless or is it just irrelevant to the point that you don't mind?

I'm planning on having a miscellanea column, much like has been planned for a long while - This means you might see some tools/technical section or small articles that aren't really articles to be placed in their own subforum, but would be a nice put in Elements Newsletter. They won't be too long (I hope), but they won't be too short either. I already asked one person to write a little something (Surprise, surprise) - What do you guys think I could place on the miscellanea column/what would you like to see/ do you even like the idea at all?

Likewise, if you guys have an idea, any idea, of people to interview or interview questions, please PM me through forums. I might find a better way to go about this soon.

Also, I don't mind if you guys give me a nudge on what kind of deck you'd see on Deck Idea of the Month or Card Idea of the Month, although the review itself is largely up to the contributors of the Deck Helpers or Card Curators.

Thanks~
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Dm on June 26, 2014, 07:45:47 pm
DOUBLE POST!

I am currently accepting ideas on people to interview or questions to these people. If you want to help out, you can also send me a Deck Idea of the Month review or a Card Idea of the Month Review (No, I have nothing to do with the deck you pick and you pick whatever you want) and if it's gud I'll place it in newsletter. Otherwise I'll just write it myself.

Plz halp
Community Newsletter, where's the community
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 26, 2014, 08:12:04 pm
* Suggested community member of the month: Rutarete (his name doesn't appear in here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/elements-council/featured-community-member/), so I suppose it is ok)
* Suggested card idea of the month: Mirrored Droid|Chromatic Droid (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/card-ideas-and-art/mirrored-droid-chromatic-droid/)
* Suggested deck idea of the month: If you wait, more will come (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/duo-decks/if-you-wait-more-will-come/)

If I have the "ok" from DM, I can prepare either Deck idea of the month or Card idea of the month or even both.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Dm on June 26, 2014, 09:21:24 pm
Don't wait for the Ok, if you want to write go ahead and write and PM it to me. If multiple people PM I'll just pick the best one arbitrarily or, in the future when I have more time, I'll do a Poll.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Calambar on May 06, 2015, 09:55:57 am
Bumping it because I need:

1. Comic script asap(!) because I'm going on holiday soon, I should start drawing immediately!. Comic about incoming Trials #9 would be nice.

2. Someone for Deck Idea of the Month and Card Idea of the Month

3. A suggestion who should I interview (mind that I have changed "Tea Time with Giants" into just "Tea Time" because as Higurashi and some other people admitted we are running out of "giants" actually. This is what is written in Featured Community Member thread:
The idea of this project is to interview active and well-known community members to learn more about them.  Each member will be asked the ultimate questions on Life, the Elements, and everything.  Answers will hopefully be entertaining, educational, or something you can use against these people in PvP.

Interviews are not posted in any particular order.  We will start with seasoned veterans and work our way down to newer members but post counts don't matter that much; what matters more is who we bump into in Chat or the forums.  Council will also try to add some members who are in the spotlight during that particular moment, for example being assigned a new forum job or title, or winning a PvP event.
Thus, if you think someone is an interesting member, suggest him/her.

4. Any suggestions for Newsletter is welcome! Unfortunately, Puzzle of the Month is over so if you have an idea for an extra Newsletter section and want to write it, please let me know!
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: dawn to dusk on May 06, 2015, 10:14:34 am
why not the new TrO's?

also new season of trials is coming around which will give more than a few more to interview
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Zawadx on May 06, 2015, 12:34:40 pm
Bumping it because I need:

1. Comic script asap(!) because I'm going on holiday soon, I should start drawing immediately!. Comic about incoming Trials #9 would be nice.

2. Someone for Deck Idea of the Month and Card Idea of the Month

3. A suggestion who should I interview (mind that I have changed "Tea Time with Giants" into just "Tea Time" because as Higurashi and some other people admitted we are running out of "giants" actually. This is what is written in Featured Community Member thread:
The idea of this project is to interview active and well-known community members to learn more about them.  Each member will be asked the ultimate questions on Life, the Elements, and everything.  Answers will hopefully be entertaining, educational, or something you can use against these people in PvP.

Interviews are not posted in any particular order.  We will start with seasoned veterans and work our way down to newer members but post counts don't matter that much; what matters more is who we bump into in Chat or the forums.  Council will also try to add some members who are in the spotlight during that particular moment, for example being assigned a new forum job or title, or winning a PvP event.
Thus, if you think someone is an interesting member, suggest him/her.

4. Any suggestions for Newsletter is welcome! Unfortunately, Puzzle of the Month is over so if you have an idea for an extra Newsletter section and want to write it, please let me know!

Yes, Physsion is a great candidate for interview!

Not me, I've already done it 8)

Also krzy, I'd love to come up with an idea for ya but I've kinda got my hands full right now :/ I'll try if I get any spare time!
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: AD TienzuStorm on May 06, 2015, 11:20:03 pm
I'd love to help for Card Idea of the Month, but I feel like I would be biased towards my own cards.. :(

As for a new section, maybe a small tutorial on something (like QI or about a certain card and its synergies/uses) to help all the new people joining?
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Calambar on May 07, 2015, 04:49:39 am
I'd love to help for Card Idea of the Month, but I feel like I would be biased towards my own cards.. :(

As for a new section, maybe a small tutorial on something (like QI or about a certain card and its synergies/uses) to help all the new people joining?

I need to know for sure if you take Card Idea for June Newsletter or not.

If you're interested in hosting any new section also let me know and just send me it before the first of June.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Calambar on May 11, 2015, 09:59:25 am
Sorry for double posting, but I badly need a comic script, I need to draw it until 20th because then I go on holiday.

What about crazy/funny Trials' lore? Try to answer in a funny way for these questions:

What is the meaning of Trials actually? Why do we need masters for?
Why elements are fighting against each other? Why one does want to become master?


Please, help me! Don't reply here, send me forum PM (Private Message) insted! To do so click HERE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pm/?sa=send;u=5855).
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: randomperson123 on February 28, 2016, 12:39:04 am
Not like anyone is reading this, but I'm still going to post it anyway:

I want Puzzles of the Month brought back.
I was searching around old Newsletter articles for no reason and found that there used to be a Puzzle of the Month section, and it was actually pretty interesting. It would be great if someone volunteered to make puzzles for the newsletter to bring this old section of the newsletter back.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Zyardran on February 28, 2016, 12:45:58 am
Puzzle of the month was certainly interesting...

Alright, Sounds fair.

Seeing as this month is almost over. I won't request you send me PMs with ideas. I'll just go get one myself :)
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: AD TienzuStorm on February 28, 2016, 04:54:19 am
Didn't the person who used to make the puzzles quit because not enough people were doing the puzzles and it was too much work? I don't see why that wouldn't still be a problem.

I mean, unless randomperson123 volunteers to make the puzzles. Or somebody else was willing to make them.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Zyardran on February 28, 2016, 12:13:21 pm
I've asked around. definitely someone willing to make them~
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Zyardran on May 28, 2016, 02:49:10 pm
(Double post, apologies)

How many people would like Comic of the month back on this. I may need some help with it, but I can attempt once or twice if people really wanted them back.

EDIT: Note, they won't be as good quality as krzy's drawings.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: RootRanger on May 28, 2016, 03:35:20 pm
I don't have very strong thoughts regarding Comic of the Month, but while I'm in this thread, I do have two suggestions for you to consider.

I'd like to see in-depth interviews with players who have recently won or finished well in PvP, asking them about their strategy, description of a couple key decks, opponents, critical matches, etc. You could do this for a tournament, or Trials, but I think it would be ideal for PvP Events and War.

Another idea I have is monthly puzzles to determine the maximum probability of winning the game within a certain number of turns, given what cards you have and the cards remaining in your deck. This idea is less promising however, because it is more difficult and would probably be less appreciated.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Higurashi on May 29, 2016, 12:52:09 am
Comic was by far my favorite part, so all for it. You're likely to find yourself rapidly improving, and that's a joy for everyone involved to see.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on May 29, 2016, 02:56:10 am
IMO, if you think your comics won't be as quality, just make sure you have a good storyline, and I'm all for it :D
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Linkcat on September 06, 2016, 06:54:04 pm
I was in my profile settings and noticed that I have a box checked that says "Receive forum newsletters, announcements and important notifications by email." I have never gotten such an email and I think you should look into getting this function working.

Also, what happened to the Forum Games section? I stopped writing it to see how Silver would do, and I saw improvement from July to August. Now this month it's as lackluster as the poor PvP Events section.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on September 06, 2016, 07:06:31 pm
Feedback: Move this to the Elements Council section. I never thought to look here. (Elements Council because that's where everything else NL related is.)
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Fippe94 on September 06, 2016, 07:27:36 pm
Suggestion: Use a Cygnia card for CIotM. Then you can actually test the card out, and test actual decks that uses the card.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Linkcat on September 06, 2016, 08:30:49 pm
I actually spent about 8 minutes trying to find this thread.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Fippe94 on September 06, 2016, 08:41:47 pm
Yeah it is pretty weird. The NL itself is in News and Announcements -> Forum News and Announcements, this thread is in Elements the Game -> General Discussion, and the other NL threads are in Other Topics -> Elements Council.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Silver Emerald on September 06, 2016, 10:01:36 pm
Also, what happened to the Forum Games section? I stopped writing it to see how Silver would do, and I saw improvement from July to August. Now this month it's as lackluster as the poor PvP Events section.

Real life got the best of us and we rushed.

There's not really any excuse, just a promise to set better deadlines and make future editions shine more brightly.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on December 02, 2016, 03:27:16 am
Congratulations to Vineroz and TheonlyrealBeef on being hired for Tournament Organizer, but apparently aren't worthy of NL :P

Congrats to Jenkar, which has neither been announced or position granted... o.O

Administrator Comment This post along with the responses were moved from the December 2016 Newsletter post to Newsletter Feedback
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 03:36:20 am
There definitely was a mention of Jenkar in the CIotM but I think it was removed.

Great work NLWs.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on December 02, 2016, 03:44:37 am

Great work NLWs.
I think I'm going to have to disagree here, unfortunately. When there's factual inconsistencies (and things that haven't been announced are put in place of things that should absolutely be there) paired along with grammatical and spelling mistakes (congartulations) and generally unfufilling wording, (also not to mention formatting errors on the Featured Community Member Interview), on content that has a whole month to be completed, I simply cannot agree that it is great work. I mean no foul towards the NLWs themselves, but I believe there has been, and could be, better work done on the Newsletter.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 04:00:41 am
There are definitely ways to give constructive criticism. Not sure if the previous was an example.

NLWs have the daunting formatting task of compiling all submissions together and considering now is a period of exams and assignments for many students, availability to work on this might decrease.

There's always room for improvement in any section, and when it comes to NLs, what needs to be corrected can be mentioned. It falls on no one to be the editor aside from NLWs. Our NLWs are relatively new, and a part time job always gets less practice than a full time job, so it's important to consider experience as well.

I will insist that overall the job was well done, but it's been made clear that there were errors and hopefully these are mitigated in 2017. If a refined product needs an extra staff member on the team, Council may consider it.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 04:49:22 am
Our NLWs are relatively new...

Demonstrably false, (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-news-and-announcements/quick-news/msg1203471/#msg1203471) in Discord's case. Ignoring the newsletter following her first month, that's 14 newsletters. Silver was hired roughly 5.5 months ago, and again ignoring an early period, let's say 45 days, that's 5 newsletters.

Opinion: the majority of previous newsletter writers, both official and unofficial, produced higher quality work (and I don't consider this to be good quality, based on Solaris' list of issues) in five attempts, let alone fourteen. Hopefully now that these issues are being spoken, they can be improved.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on December 02, 2016, 04:55:40 am
Newsletter is a creative piece of volunteer work. Please keep critiques with that in mind. I'm thankful for this newsletter. If anyone would like to contribute editing skills to improve certain aspects of quality, there is room for you. Otherwise, bashing the work of volunteers is not constructive. Constructive criticism is welcome, but that's not what I'm hearing. It sounds more like personal attacks and that's not okay on these forums. I'm going to move this conversation to Newsletter Feedback. Let's try and play a bit more nicely and help lift each other up to better things.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 04:58:59 am
Constructive criticism is welcome, but that's not what I'm hearing. It sounds more like personal attacks and that's not okay on these forums.

Solaris gave a list of issues with this newsletter that could use improvement, I am very curious how that isn't constructive. While my post had nothing constructive to the issue at hand, it wasn't mean to - it was meant to reinforce Solaris's points, because they were dismissed by Hyroen's statement.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Aves on December 02, 2016, 05:17:12 am
Constructive criticism does more than point out problems-- it offers suggestions for improvement. Merely identifying the problem is a very important step, but it shouldn't be the only one. Rather than "X was bad," which is criticism, "X was bad, and could be improved by Y." The latter places less emphasis on the problem and more on how to address it. There are problems, and perhaps they do have obvious solutions-- but they could've been pointed out or addressed in a better way.

On a blunt side-note, it doesn't help that Solaris and Discord have had a history of petty squabbles, and in that context his post could be viewed in a passive-aggressive light/continuation of that.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 05:22:39 am
Constructive criticism does more than point out problems-- it offers suggestions for improvement. Merely identifying the problem is a very important step, but it shouldn't be the only one. Rather than "X was bad," which is criticism, "X was bad, and could be improved by Y." The latter places less emphasis on the problem and more on how to address it. There are problems, and perhaps they do have obvious solutions-- but they could've been pointed out or addressed in a better way.

If I knew how, I would have added to Solaris' list with elaboration. But it's all just proofreading and quality control. I don't know what else to say besides spend more time proofreading, or researching more, or spending more time on it, and none of that seems helpful. Maybe I could recommend showing the finished NL to an active member the day before and having them check for the issues Solaris has, in addition to a general check for consistency, correctness, etc?

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On a blunt side-note, it doesn't help that Solaris and Discord have had a history of petty squabbles, and in that context his post could be viewed in a passive-aggressive light/continuation of that.

This is why I responded despite my hiatus - I know that Solaris and Discord have a publicized feud and I wanted to make it clear that this wasn't just an issue Solaris has, it's an issue I see as well. I consider Discord a friend and I have a lot of respect for her (in addition to Silver Emerald), but I have never been above criticizing my friends. I apologize for being harsh about it in this instance.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on December 02, 2016, 05:25:06 am
There are definitely ways to give constructive criticism. Not sure if the previous was an example.

NLWs have the daunting formatting task of compiling all submissions together and considering now is a period of exams and assignments for many students, availability to work on this might decrease.

There's always room for improvement in any section, and when it comes to NLs, what needs to be corrected can be mentioned. It falls on no one to be the editor aside from NLWs. Our NLWs are relatively new, and a part time job always gets less practice than a full time job, so it's important to consider experience as well.

I will insist that overall the job was well done, but it's been made clear that there were errors and hopefully these are mitigated in 2017. If a refined product needs an extra staff member on the team, Council may consider it.
I've offered criticisms in the past to the Newsletter Writers, via chat private messages, and criticisms were either met with resistance, ignored, or patched once and then continued to happen again in the future.

Formatting is, in my opinion, hardly daunting. There's a premade format in which the Bulletin Board Code for the standard "shell" of the newsletter (tables, image header slots, general header text), and the submissions are then transplanted from a forums personal message, into their pre-defined slot in the Newsletter. Aside from the relative ease of the operation, it is stated in the hiring posts that a Newsletter Writer should be able to use the basic functions of the forums coding features to construct the Newsletter. This was fell a bit short in the now corrected Featured Community Member of the Month Interview, where [/color] tags were left floating, and colors were ran together, making the questions hard to distinguish from the answers.

There's always room for improvement, of course, that's the underlying sentiment of my posts. My problem lies with the fact that I have stated in past editions, privately as to not spark something akin to this, and I have observed, personally, not much improvement. You're right in saying that it falls on no-one to be the editor but the Newsletter Writers, but when the Newsletter Writers are ceasing to edit simple typos/grammar oddities, it detracts from the whole reading experience of the Newsletter. Naturally a job that is only performed once a month will get less practice compared to one like Tournament Organizer that gets 52 weeks a year, however, I don't think my/ddevans' concerns with this can be dismissed on that basis alone. Both of our Newsletter Writers have been in the force for what many would consider a decently long time, and even regardless of experience, I'm not personally of the opinion that experience in being a Newsletter Writer is required in fixing basic spelling/grammatical problems.

I will respect your opinion that the job was well done, however as I'm sure I've demonstrated by now, I am not of the same opinion. As far as an extra Newsletter Writer is concerned, I would be more than content with lending my pen in an effort to better a community project.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 05:28:31 am
I should also mention that I know little about the NLW writing process but when NLWs struggle to find contributors to write articles for the month's newsletter, there's a problem, and possibly one that hasn't been discussed before.

I in no way meant to discredit Solaris' points. But I do think that one of the best ways to understand the issues and quality of the products is to understand the process and the position staff is in. If Discord is alone responsible for all articles, that's a problem too.

Newsletters are great when experts in their fields come together to bring together a top-notch product, but when they don't, there's an implicit expectation for NLWs to do so.

I think noting that there has been a consistent level of quality and errors in the Newsletter is important to note, but I don't think it's simply that NLWs are bad and they should feel bad. Let's try to collectively get to the root of the problem and work to propose some solutions.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on December 02, 2016, 05:29:33 am
I think noting that there has been a consistent level of quality and errors in the Newsletter is important to note, but I don't think it's simply that NLWs are bad and they should feel bad. Let's try to collectively get to the root of the problem and work to propose some solutions.

Well said.

Maybe I could recommend showing the finished NL to an active member the day before and having them check for the issues Solaris has, in addition to a general check for consistency, correctness, etc?

Seems reasonable to have someone take on the role of proofreader.

I would be more than content with lending my pen in an effort to better a community project.

Would you be able to work with the existing Newsletter staff?
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 05:34:10 am
It's funny because that one part is the part I was about to edit.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Solaris on December 02, 2016, 05:46:21 am
I should also mention that I know little about the NLW writing process but when NLWs struggle to find contributors to write articles for the month's newsletter, there's a problem, and possibly one that hasn't been discussed before.

I in no way meant to discredit Solaris' points. But I do think that one of the best ways to understand the issues and quality of the products is to understand the process and the position staff is in. If Discord is alone responsible for all articles, that's a problem too.

Newsletters are great when experts in their fields come together to bring together a top-notch product, but when they don't, there's an implicit expectation for NLWs to do so.

I think noting that there has been a consistent level of quality and errors in the Newsletter is important to note, but I don't think it's simply that NLWs are bad and they should feel bad. Let's try to collectively get to the root of the problem and work to propose some solutions.
I'm not extremely well versed in it either, but I've a general notion of what goes on behind the scenes, at least to the level where I feel comfortable to discuss it. If the present Newsletter Writers struggle to find contributors, I believe that all-the-more validates my offer to aide in the process of creating the Newsletter. (I'm also of the opinion that articles shouldn't be outsourced (with a special case to the Card Idea of the Month, with the current state of the Card Ideas and Art section I believe that this is okay.), but I'm always willing to discuss this.)

As far as I, an active member of Council, have understood, there's been no communication as far as who's pulling what in terms of workload, and won't comment further on that fact other than that if more Writers are needed, I happen to know a sunny fellow.

Of course! In no shape or form have I intended for the deep truth of my posts to be "Newsletter Writers are bad and should feel bad", but instead that the quality of work has fallen, and that I believe it should be mended back to it's former morning glory.

Quote from: antiaverage
Would you be able to work with the existing Newsletter staff?

I believe myself to professional enough to put aside personal differences in the pursuit of a better work being presented to the community, regardless of past events. It is simply the mature thing to do.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 05:49:12 am
I think the easiest solution is just to outsource parts of the work to active, willing members. Most of Sol's issues (and mine as well) are quality control, e.g. proofreading, BBC, inaccuracies, etc, so that's why I made that suggestion. If the root of that problem is that NLWs are crunched for time, then there needs to be more of a push for other work to be outsourced.

imo, a good process would be this:

-NLWs find contributors as soon as possible, and work on the rest themselves over the course of the month
-contributors work on a given section, sending them to NLWs
-NLWs add the contributed sections into the newsletter, revising them to be up to date, checking all the sections for quality, and preparing the NL to be posted
-a contributor runs through the whole (otherwise final) newsletter for quality, making any changes and sending it back to NLWs

Additionally, Council probably still has access to the NLW subforum, so they should be encouraged to chip in to any of the above steps.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 07:10:35 am
Council definitely has access to the Newsletter board, which has always perplexed me a bit, but as I am not an NLW I've avoided posting in the section, and I think that the same reasoning was used by the rest of non-NLW Council and Admin staff.

I do agree with ddevans that the work should be outsourced and really, NLWs should be the final line of defence for the quality of the monthly products. I'm thinking a streamlined process of contribution should be established by discussions with NLWs.

I for one can guarantee that the current Card Curator workload is enough to expect a monthly article, but I would think that the same would go for Deck Helpers.

I think it's a great thing that this discussion is happening, and I look forward to getting feedback from the NLW team and I look forward to the Newsletters of 2017.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Linkcat on December 02, 2016, 07:16:40 am
While that sounds like a good idea, dd, I don't feel like getting other people to do more of their job is the correct solution here.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 09:33:55 am
While that sounds like a good idea, dd, I don't feel like getting other people to do more of their job is the correct solution here.

I don't necessarily think it's the ideal solution either, but I draw a lot of parallels with another staff position. PvPEMs don't necessarily run all the events, but they do make sure events are run, they check the events for things like balance, ease of understanding for players, ease of workload for the host, timeframe, all that stuff, and generally make sure the event is suitable to host.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on December 02, 2016, 11:53:44 am
Well, I don't want to interfere with planning, but I think procrastination is an important problem here. Not to dictate the schedule, but if you add in everything to be added as you receive it, instead of all at once at the end, you'll end up with less work (pressure) and higher quality in the end. For example you could make a newsletter in your secret section that starts as just the template, adding the different sections as you receive them. Ideally, dividing a month in roughly 4 weeks, you'd spend:
Interviews (for stuff like tournament winners) seems to be timed perfectly right now, just make sure to add their interviews immediately instead of losing them...

Delaying the inevitable will inevitable cause things to go wrong. Start early and you'll have less pressure and criticism as you go along.
Basically said the same things for tournaments: if you think up the idea a week in advance you have a full week to think of it with no pressure on timing.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on December 02, 2016, 12:09:29 pm
Honestly, I have a lot of good things to say about Silver and Discord, but these kinds of errors are many and repeated. As dd says, both NLWs are getting to the point of being experienced enough I'd have hoped for a NL i read and smile, think and laugh with, not simply a list of information that a regular member already knew.
The Council hires, it does not fire (nor am i suggesting this is at all necessary, I actually think asside from errors this is a big improvement in terms of an entertaining read) but I would like the NLWs honest opinion about their collective activity and drive to create an outstanding product, rather than simply a complete product that's out on time. An additional staff hiring could help with either of these things, complementing rather than replacing the current team.
I don't think outsourcing is a good idea because it spreads culpability and allows too much scope for 'passing the buck'. I don't think the parallel with PvPEM is accurate as the role is Newsletter Writer, Not Newsletter Overseer. Tbh i would like nothing outsourced ideally.
Council will discuss the possibility of recruiting a third NLW.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: ddevans96 on December 02, 2016, 01:00:10 pm
I don't think outsourcing is a good idea because it spreads culpability and allows too much scope for 'passing the buck'. I don't think the parallel with PvPEM is accurate as the role is Newsletter Writer, Not Newsletter Overseer. Tbh i would like nothing outsourced ideally.

No, the comparison with PvPEM isn't perfect, but comparisons rarely are. I'd argue that's the most relevant comparison to be made here, in terms of staff work. There's already outsourcing, in almost all cases for Deck and Card, and I'm reasonably sure other sections have had contributions from others on occasion as well. My proposal is just a system to organize them so things aren't being rushed late in the process as they seem to be currently - Torb addressed this all considerably better than I did.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on December 02, 2016, 02:32:15 pm
I actually think asside from errors this is a big improvement in terms of an entertaining read

There's a reason creative works like magazines have editors. Content creators have the task of creating content. Editors make sure the content is in the best consumable format. Whether we hire someone whose job is specifically editing, or we outsource editing to regular members who get a special Early Edition of the Newsletter, in the end we just want to get more competent editing is what I'm hearing.
Title: Re: News Letter Feedback
Post by: Silver Emerald on December 02, 2016, 03:36:38 pm
Would like to thank everyone for the ongoing discussion.

In response to just a handful of the replies:

As far as I, an active member of Council, have understood, there's been no communication as far as who's pulling what in terms of workload, and won't comment further on that fact other than that if more Writers are needed, I happen to know a sunny fellow.

Council definitely has access to the Newsletter board, which has always perplexed me a bit, but as I am not an NLW I've avoided posting in the section, and I think that the same reasoning was used by the rest of non-NLW Council and Admin staff.

We do list and assign all the sections of the newsletter at the beginning of the month on our board. Said board is visible to the Council and we hadn't seen any need to publish that internal list anywhere else.

NLWs have the daunting formatting task of compiling all submissions together and considering now is a period of exams and assignments for many students, availability to work on this might decrease.

As poor an excuse as this is in practice, this is where Dis and I stand at the moment. As I'll mention again later, extra help could be nice for at least crunch times such as these.

Well, I don't want to interfere with planning, but I think procrastination is an important problem here. Not to dictate the schedule, but if you add in everything to be added as you receive it, instead of all at once at the end, you'll end up with less work (pressure) and higher quality in the end.

And this is why the prior is a poor excuse. While we've taken steps to do better about this, I'm not going to deny that some of those steps (such as adding dates and accountability to our internal list) have followed the pattern of

patched once and then continued to happen again in the future.

I'd have hoped for a NL i read and smile, think and laugh with, not simply a list of information that a regular member already knew.

I'm open to suggestions on how to go beyond knowing and writing what a regular member does when I'm not personally particularly knowledgeable about, for instance, PvP or deck design. Perhaps that's my own own fault - I believe there's a reasonable expectation that I would be involved with both [I currently frequent neither on a regular basis], though (again) I'm not certain where that goes beyond facts for those already familiar with a given area of the forum.

Council will discuss the possibility of recruiting a third NLW.

To the best of my knowledge, both current NLWs back this or a related plan of some form of help, at least for times when life can be expectedly hectic.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Higurashi on December 02, 2016, 04:49:57 pm
Newsletters were a Council invention and remains unique in that it's an ongoing Council project that we also have dedicated staffers for. In other words, Council is encouraged to contribute to the newsletters if need be.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: Hyroen on December 02, 2016, 05:43:10 pm
If there is need for Council to contribute, it is absolutely essential for NLWs to make a mention of this in some form.
I think Council might consider hiring a 3rd NLW but I do think that with some degree of specific assignment (2-3 Newsletter Assistants in Council), a 3rd NLW will not be needed. Which, of course, assumes that we decide to go down the Council help route.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: killsdazombies on December 02, 2016, 10:22:48 pm
The idea of guest writers and contributors is the best solution I think. The NLWs should be more editors and formaters then the sole content producers. Volunteers from the staff for sections related to their job are a great way to start
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on December 06, 2016, 06:55:37 pm
The idea of guest writers and contributors is the best solution I think. The NLWs should be more editors and formaters then the sole content producers. Volunteers from the staff for sections related to their job are a great way to start

I agree with this when it's possible. Some content does need to be produced by the NLWs, but where possible content should be sourced from the various staff members and any active members. The NLWs then have to make this content presentable.
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on April 02, 2017, 05:01:16 pm
Just so people know, This month's NL is likely to be out on the 4th. We apologize for the delay!
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: antiaverage on April 02, 2017, 11:38:04 pm
Just so people know, This month's NL is likely to be out on the 4th. We apologize for the delay!

4/4 is kinda neat anyway XD
Title: Re: NewsLetter Feedback
Post by: JonathanCrazyJ on May 01, 2017, 11:24:23 pm
The May Newsletter will be released 3rd - 4th May to include the 11th Trials Final Battle Participants.
Good luck everyone hoping for a place!
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