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Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156153#msg1156153
« on: September 19, 2014, 09:25:46 pm »


The image is just an example so you can get an idea.
I'm not sure what element to put it in.

I had originally intended it to go into :life , but it fits well under :darkness , :entropy , :fire , and maybe even :air thematically.

Mechanically, :darkness and :life are missing mass target effects so it fits best in one of those although :earth and :gravity could possibly benefit from mass target CC and it would work well there since high ATK creatures are a little trickier to get in those elements.

Any thought / suggestions would help before I post the card to smithy.
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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156158#msg1156158
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2014, 09:50:29 pm »
I'm thinking life but take that for a grain of salt

May wild frenzy be a better name? Considering a swipe is generally more targeted than frenzies are.

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156197#msg1156197
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2014, 03:39:10 am »
My thoughts, in no particular order:
-Names add a lot to the aesthetic of the card and since you cannot find a good mechanical reason to put this card in any one element, use the aesthetic. With it's current name, it's a little ambiguous. If you called it Enraged Frenzy it is a  :fire card, but if you called it Thunder's Burst, I'd say it was  :air and so on.
-Looking at the details of the mechanics, we might have a good mechanical reason to assign it to any one element after all. It doesn't harm itself with this attack, so the self-sacrifice of  :fire is out. It does harm your own creatures, I assume, so  :darkness or  :death might use it. Though Death already has a mass damage card, thinking about it, so it's out.
-You say  :earth or  :gravity would benefit from it in the meta, so those are good options. While we're looking at deckbuilding,  :fire and  :air already have mass effect cards (though not mass damage per se for  :air) so set those elements aside.

The argument for  :life:earth:gravity, and  :darkness you present is probably the one that matters the most, overall. Earth would take my vote because the image of little rocks flying everywhere is the one that sticks out in my mind the most. That might inspire the card art?
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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156198#msg1156198
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2014, 04:06:20 am »
My initial thought was :life . But I will return to this in an hour after some thinking.

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156199#msg1156199
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2014, 04:12:15 am »
:life shouldn't have any form of direct CC or PC, so we can throw that one out of the window.
:gravity is the "things happen based on ATK and HP and we can manipulate it" element, so that's always the safest bet.

An argument could be made for :fire or :entropy.  I see recklessness in the card, which is most prominent in those two elements.

Likewise, playing this well would probably mean that you only have 1 creature out, which makes single-creature, high ATK strongest. Chimera... Overdrive... Otyguh Second argument for :gravity, almost to the point you might call it somewhat too powerful.

A point against :gravity is I feel it shouldn't deal spell damage, but oh well.

In the end, it doesn't have a strong home, so place it where you feel it fits. As long as it's not :life.
Place it where you feel it would help the mono of that element out the most.

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156200#msg1156200
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2014, 04:18:31 am »
:life shouldn't have any form of direct CC or PC, so we can throw that one out of the window.

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156202#msg1156202
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2014, 04:26:05 am »
Life doesn't care about the opponent. They're living. Why should they stop... life? Why should life stop life?

This thing, especially unupped, hurts so many living things (theoretically) that I wouldn't call it life. "Yes, yes, I care about untamed growth and everything falling into place, so I'm going to command my cock to wipe out half of this herd that just happens to be there and maybe also your skeletons."

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156204#msg1156204
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2014, 04:30:37 am »
That's a bad way to interpret it.

I've always seen it as Life is creature-based and growing. Most standard forms of CC are off the table because they don't incorporate the creature. However, this idea takes both the creature-based [Target creature you own] and growing [200%], so, for me, can be plausibly be in :life .

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156205#msg1156205
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2014, 04:39:32 am »
life is the element of flourishing and the growth/health of the living

furthermore, it uses creature based cards to further it's domination.

taking this into account, it fits into life

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156206#msg1156206
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2014, 04:40:43 am »
Life has the most to lose from using this card. All of its cards, except its dragon, are completely meek on its own. Adrenaline doesn't give ATK buffs, rending no kind of possible combination or synergy, and its 8/6 cock/horned frog damage are going to hurt the other creatures you have, potentially far more than your opponent.

The less creatures you have, the more effective this card is. That's directly opposite to how empathic bond and life being full of cheap creatures work.

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156208#msg1156208
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2014, 04:43:20 am »
Life has the most to lose from using this card. All of its cards, except its dragon, are completely meek on its own. Adrenaline doesn't give ATK buffs, rending no kind of possible combination or synergy, and its 8/6 cock/horned frog damage are going to hurt the other creatures you have, potentially far more than your opponent.

The less creatures you have, the more effective this card is. That's directly opposite to how empathic bond and life being full of cheap creatures work.

if it randomizes the side before the creature targeting, i present you with 1 card:

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Re: Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55782.msg1156209#msg1156209
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2014, 04:46:30 am »
It divides among all other creatures, and the upped hits the enemy only.

I assume the unupped hits both sides thusly.

Mitosis is on the "empathic bond" side of life, not this side. This side is weakened in mitosis/empathic bond decks, because you're not going to deal any damage with it.
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