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A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102773#msg1102773
« on: October 12, 2013, 01:43:06 am »
ive had this idea for ages but ive never really done anything about it. i think its been in my mind since before last brawl maybe?

anyway, the dying poison mechanic gives poison counters and overrides any existing ones. when applied, it decreases by 1 each turn until it dies out. creatures and cards that inflict this will have a low cost and high poison damage (maybe 2 for example) this is because, if the upkeep isnt kept, the poison will quickly die out and will need to be restarted.

the poison decreases after it deals damage

2 examples of how to use it:
1. a defence against other poisons- its less situational than purify and can override any poison counters
2. offensive capabilities- since it deals damage before counter goes down, it is more offensive than other poison counters. if the upkeep is held of course ;)
« Last Edit: October 12, 2013, 08:48:09 am by dawn to dusk »

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Re: A new poison type- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102776#msg1102776
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 01:57:25 am »
what about a type of poison that reduces a creature's power.

low chance to activate shield compared to thorn carapace, that gives 1 counter that reduces power by 1 but loses 1 counter after reduction takes place.

perhaps a creature ability when eaten or activation or a spell.

nice for of cc that still locks a player's creature zone. of course this cc has weaknesses such as not reducing the power of hope/bonds/etc.

would work quite well with damage reduction shields and not defeat the purpose of gravity shield as normal poison does.



another thought: what about a type of poison that a creature while poisoned is technically lobotomized, where the counter goes away after 2-3 turns so to say (comparable cc to freeze).

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Re: A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102827#msg1102827
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 08:49:16 am »
A card that specifically counters poison would be more situational, not less.
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Re: A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102838#msg1102838
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 10:45:18 am »
it doesnt really specifically counter poison but it has the capability to do so. it mainly has offensive properties

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Re: A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102843#msg1102843
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 11:23:27 am »
it doesnt really specifically counter poison but it has the capability to do so. it mainly has offensive properties
What would be the point of using poison if there was a card that was poison + poison counter?
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Re: A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1102874#msg1102874
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2013, 04:32:59 pm »
Poison itself is still better in stalls. This mechanic is targetted towards soft countering poison and being useful in speed poison decks

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Re: A new poison mechanic- dying poison http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51705.msg1125000#msg1125000
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 07:35:45 pm »
The idea of having a "poison" that decreases in magnitude each turn is mechanically analogous to the bleed / burn mechanic I proposed.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/design-theory/mechanic-idea-burn-bleed-status/
Maybe some of the discussion in that thread will help you develop this idea a bit more.

The mechanic itself, regardless of how it gets used thematically, seems interesting since it is a much softer version of poison that may be easier to balance.
Mathematically, the damage output is closely analogous to the deflation of a steam machine.
The total damage output is quadratic with respect to the initial input.
This is also similar (but inverted) to an inflating creature that only lasts a specific number of turns.
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