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Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225312#msg1225312
« on: February 27, 2016, 12:01:45 am »
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I'm looking of a non-upped cheap anti-arena deck. I already have a darkness mana steal deck for Pvp - so I need something quick to get me up in the ranks and help me get upped cards.

The strategy is to attack by puttuing acceleration on either colossal dragons or Armagio, while using Armagio and the Black Hole to stall. I've heard that computers can't handle gravitational shied, so I'm using it. The Otyugh cleans up any lower-heath creatures while the gravitational shield lets me ignore the higher level. My Otyughs keep getting killed by my opponent's spells and I can never seem to get any attack going. Also - I have no way of dealing with opponent's units beside with Otyugh.

What needs to change - other than using Catapult for an entirely different deck?
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225314#msg1225314
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016, 12:15:10 am »
You have only 8 quanta in 30 cards. Unupped gravity is expensive. Putting these 2 together I bet you spend most of the game wishing you could afford your own cards. That's why it is innefective.
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225317#msg1225317
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 12:22:31 am »
Actually... strangely... most games I was wishing for more cards... more armagios. I had over 40 quanta spare at one time! Any other ideas?
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225319#msg1225319
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 12:26:51 am »
Replace the two Colossal Dragons with one Armagio and one Black Hole, and replace the three Accelerations with Sapphire Chargers. Change four pillars to pendulums to diversify quanta production and ensure that Earthquake is not as damaging.

Should have a better quanta index that way, as well as more consistent and effective damage than a slower-growing powerhouse.

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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225328#msg1225328
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 01:37:12 am »
How to improve the deck:

  • Gravity Shield is useless against most opponents if you don't put a lot of cards to support it (with upgraded otys it's a completely different story), so throw it out.
  • Without the shield, the only permanent you really care about losing is the hammer, so it makes no sense to add mediocre attackers to protect an average attacker, just use better attackers instead, meaning the salvagers are out too.
  • A single black hole and a single gravity pull are too unreliable to be of consistent use. 1 black hole is not enough for denial/healing and you are better off with armagio for protection, as it doubles as an acceleration target.
  • Dragons are expensive, so you should be able to afford one in the late game. I'll keep one and just use cheaper attackers instead.
  • Moving up to 14 quanta so I can play my cards in a timely manner.
  • tweak a bit

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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225331#msg1225331
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 01:42:26 am »
I'm not so sure that the otyughs are really worth it, still. Even when buffed with momentum, they're slow control, and there just isn't enough damage in the deck-- this will leave you outrushed (armagios don't last that long as defense). More emphasis should be placed on offense.
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225349#msg1225349
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 04:56:04 am »
too heavy, not enough quanta, too defensive, gotta go more offensive. the best defense is being at the menu screen, having won the battle

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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225356#msg1225356
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2016, 05:35:26 am »
Consider switching from Mono Gravity to Mono Fire, to improve both offense and defense capabilities.
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225371#msg1225371
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 08:36:25 am »
Unupgraded Monogravity has the distinct honor of being the worst mono in the game. It's very slow and its control is, as you've noticed, susceptible to a lot of weaknesses. It can stallbreak decently, but even that falls victim to indirect CC like Lobo, Eternity, Antimatter, Reverse Time, Basilisk Blood, Freeze, Squid and more. Oty gets CC'd and though Gravity Pull is very effective, it has no second offensive use (like Drain Life).

A pure Armagio/Acc/Merc rush is the fastest Gravy can do, but other monos are significantly faster and more versatile (as the above-mentioned Phoenix+Fire Bolts, Adrenaline+Frogs, Monodark, Monoaether (Dims, Fractals, Psions)), even Toadfish+Ice Bolts.

Monodark handles Arena -much- better, assuming it's built well. As for Gravy, you should either focus on the Otys or just rush. Otys work best with Blessings when unupped, though to be honest while it's a decent enough deck its slowness isn't good for your electrum/hour. An optimized Gravy rush would look like this:

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4 Armagios/Accs ensures you get both early in most games, and one of both is all you're going to need in most games. The rest provide a use for your early quanta. The only advantage this rush has over faster ones is that it resists killing CC decently, although Monofire and Monoaether are even better at both that and stallbreaking, sadly.

As for Catapult, Flying Titans is indeed probably the best unupped mostly Monogravy rush. It can be significantly faster than this standard rush and it stallbreaks very well.
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Re: Why is this Solo Gravity Deck not very Effective? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61304.msg1225483#msg1225483
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 11:12:04 pm »
Consider switching from Mono Gravity to Mono Fire, to improve both offense and defense capabilities.

I've already done solo fire. It's easy.
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