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VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466034#msg466034
« on: February 29, 2012, 10:20:23 pm »
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So... any advice, besides 'up the deck', 'balance the QI', '30 cards' or 6 SoV?
I'm using this in BL, I still find myself lacking enough quanta to play some things, 30 cards is too small to stall, and I only have 5.
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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466045#msg466045
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 10:53:11 pm »
Not sure what you'll need 3 steals for since most of your damage is via SoVs and Drain Life.

So I'd go with -3 Steal +1 Dusk Mantle +2 Drain Life. But maybe they are meant for weapons and Sancs.
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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466074#msg466074
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 11:56:48 pm »
Not sure what you'll need 3 steals for since most of your damage is via SoVs and Drain Life.

So I'd go with -3 Steal +1 Dusk Mantle +2 Drain Life. But maybe they are meant for weapons and Sancs.
I can imagine the steals -are- meant for weapons if his is stolen.

I see this deck not needing the Vampire Stilettos as all if you have drain life. To be completely honest, one Drain Life can and will win a gain for you.

Maybe the stilettos are a backup plan, but for me I would rather a smaller deck with no nightmares, an extra dusk mantle, six SoV's, and then your choice with the steals.

They could come in handy.

But really, you have CC with Drain Life's and Quanta Control with those Devourer's. Get those SoV's out quick and drain life his weak creatures!

A plain and simple deck yet brings out the best in SoV.
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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466124#msg466124
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 02:09:43 am »
Lol I was just working on a smiliar deck. Honestly I think the Devourers aren't too good in a deck like this, with long term stalls they are a liability more than anything else. The Stiletto and Nightmare are honestly pretty unnecessary. Take a dagger or something if you're honestly so concerned about reflective shields. Duck Mantle is pretty critical though, I'd recommend taking at least two. I would also take your SoV count up to six if you have that many, as well as take six bolts. Drain Life is honestly pretty underrated. With a lot of bolts you don't need to SoV them all the way down, a salvo of DLs can take out 50 health, easily. They can also be used as CC or emergency heals.

But just checking, this is meant to be a Firestall counter, right? Might work better as a mono earth with darkness mark.

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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466377#msg466377
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 03:24:32 am »
Thanks for the responses.
@ Mesa- all of my dmg is with voids. Drain life is merely the finishing blow or useful CC. I'd definitely add the extra drains and mantle if possible, but didn't want this getting too big.

@ srm - I can agree with the nightmares- I might keep 1- its main goal was so I could use up all my DL's as CC if needed. Stilettos are indeed for reflective/emerald shield. I'm kind of iffy on how to keep deck size down, though.

@ idle- SoV is traditionally very slow- the devourers help keep your opponent from out-rushing you. Late game they help power the drain lifes, if there are any left. I can see your criticism of the nightmare, but I'm not sure why you're against the stiletto- it doesn't really detract from the deck, its cheap, and it provides a small boost in healing/backup KO. More Mantle is probably good, more DL is good, SoV- Read the OP..
This also wasn't really made to counter anything, and firestall would be a terrible matchup. Firestall rips this apart- sanctuary > devourers, reflective shield > drain life, deflagration > SoV

I'll edit the OP with a new build later.

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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466550#msg466550
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 11:57:10 pm »
I honestly can't see how this effectively stalls against anything other than golem rushes. Most decent decks should have no trouble powering through mantle before SoV manages to bring him down to 1 HP.
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Re: VoidStall[mono] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37151.msg466917#msg466917
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 11:55:04 pm »
The point is that Drain Life/Devourer slows them down enough to do the job. You'd be surprised at what DL can do given a QI of 2.29. And no, QI of 5 is not optimal- you need denial and DL CC power earlier than anything else, so that means getting the quanta to play them as soon as possible.
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