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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339271#msg339271
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2011, 09:35:52 pm »
Until someone makes a topic, here are my predictions:

Unupped: :earth :life :fire :death :light :time :air :entropy :water :darkness :gravity :aether
Upped: :earth :fire :life :death :air :light :water :time :gravity :darkness :entropy :aether
I disagree with you putting :aether last...
fractal spiders/recluses is faster than ppl expect...
also, :death has an unupped deck ppl claim to be the fastest unupped deck... so...
I think he's referring to the :aether deck on the first page, the mono aether HB grinder

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339277#msg339277
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2011, 09:50:54 pm »
DesertKnight, the death mono deck is imba, i beguinning today and your deck is my salvation, faster and cheap.
Thank you dude =x

Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339281#msg339281
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2011, 09:55:41 pm »
DesertKnight, the death mono deck is imba, i beguinning today and your deck is my salvation, faster and cheap.
Thank you dude =x
unupped death deck is claimed to be the fastest unupped mono deck

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339282#msg339282
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2011, 09:56:42 pm »
No, I'm not, TFO. No one would run 6 shields if they are trying to have the fastest TTW possible.
Aether's dragon is expensive and, aether can only run six spiders per deck. Fractal costs a lot of quanta, and then you have to wait a turn to play the spiders after that.

TII, where did you see that :death mono is the fastest unupped deck? Chances are it was in a very old thread, before faster decks had been discovered.
EDIT: Well now you say unupped mono, but I still don't believe that.

Lastly, don't expect any of the predictions to be perfect.
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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339287#msg339287
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2011, 10:04:46 pm »
No, I'm not, TFO. No one would run 6 shields if they are trying to have the fastest TTW possible.
Aether's dragon is expensive and, aether can only run six spiders per deck. Fractal costs a lot of quanta, and then you have to wait a turn to play the spiders after that.

TII, where did you see that :death mono is the fastest unupped deck? Chances are it was in a very old thread, before faster decks had been discovered.
EDIT: Well now you say unupped mono, but I still don't believe that.

Lastly, don't expect any of the predictions to be perfect.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10503.0.html
this is old, but... well, I haven't seen any faster AI3 farmers...

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339289#msg339289
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2011, 10:10:35 pm »
No, I'm not, TFO. No one would run 6 shields if they are trying to have the fastest TTW possible.
Aether's dragon is expensive and, aether can only run six spiders per deck. Fractal costs a lot of quanta, and then you have to wait a turn to play the spiders after that.

TII, where did you see that :death mono is the fastest unupped deck? Chances are it was in a very old thread, before faster decks had been discovered.
EDIT: Well now you say unupped mono, but I still don't believe that.

Lastly, don't expect any of the predictions to be perfect.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10503.0.html
this is old, but... well, I haven't seen any faster AI3 farmers...
Oh yes you have. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8813.0.html)
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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339291#msg339291
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2011, 10:19:50 pm »
The TTW study was edited 4 months after that thread was made. During those 4 months there were new decks made and tested.
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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339304#msg339304
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2011, 10:48:32 pm »
Are you wanting pure speed.... or fastest vs AI3?  For instance, would :fire have an Explosion or 2?

Also, are you allowing 'Other' cards in these monos?

Upped, unupped, or both?

I'll probably throw some decks together today and tomorrow.

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339309#msg339309
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2011, 10:54:12 pm »
A few questions: (I will edit these out afterwards)

1.  Is an off-mark like Napalm posted allowed?  If so, I am sure the deck above will perform well vs. elders.
2.  Are you looking for 50 games? 200?
3.  Whats the rule on gavels/long swords/long bows?
If I'm interpreting this correctly, the decks will follow the forum definition of mono (one element + Other, any mark). 200 games, as with any full TTW study.
Answers one of your questions, at least

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg339350#msg339350
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2011, 12:39:18 am »
I build a sheet (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18915.msg295132.html#msg295132) for the calculations/posts for ttw studys.
Feel free to use it - pm me for improvments.

We also have a (slightly outdated) tool for testing decks, pm me (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3085) if you need it.

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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg345203#msg345203
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2011, 01:30:07 am »
Time can pull a 5 turn win.
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Re: Mono Element Turns to Win https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26473.msg345538#msg345538
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2011, 07:46:28 pm »
Time can pull a 5 turn win.
actually, with a lot of luck, it can pull a 4 turn win with 145 damage:

As long as the average outcome of the fate egg is 9 or higher (well, sort of) the 4 turn win is possible.

turn 1
6 time towers
2 fate egg
end of turn: 6 time

turn 2:
fate egg -3 time
fate effect x2 -2 time
end of turn: 7 time

30 damage (2x)

turn 3:

fate effect -1 time
fate egg -3 time
end of turn  11 time

45 (3x) damage

beurt 4:
fate effect -1 time
devoniumm dragon -10 time
end of turn 0 time

70 (4x+10) damage

total damage 145 (9x+10)

 

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