[group] The Elemental Engineers - Engineer's Workshop

[Gandora]

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[Absol]

Thanks for the support, guys!

Our first work (well maybe not, but still):
I got an idea here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36824.0.html). In short:
Trying to make deck which use Photon, GotP, and Drain Life as the core strategy. Upped is okay.
(yes, 1 Photon and 1 Drain Life in Ghostmare counts as success, but not core strategy)

Ideas including:
Photon bouncing (and GotP nightmaring) super stall (against AI, you can nightmare Photon to fieldlock)
Ragequit deck (using photons? Field lock with Afla and Hand lock with GotP? Drain the remaining creature?)
500 HP EM deck (now this one is hard. I don't know how to make it.)

Honestly, i'm bad with stalls, so i might not be able to build an optimal one this time. Help?

EDIT: i see someone posted a deck in that thread. Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36824.msg494186.html#msg494186)'s the link.
Here's the deck. This deck is not mine. Hopefully i'll post a somewhat functional deck soon, as this is really hard to do.

by Absol

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EDIT 2: Okay, here goes.

by Absol

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Ghostmare Twist? With ability to lockdown field and hand. Cross-bred with Day Traitor to fuel Solar Buckler to drop Dragons.
Still reliant on good draw, though not much. And yes, this decreases the effectiveness compared to Ghostmare usual build.

EDIT 3: Okay, i didn't see SnoWeb's post. So maybe this deck is just as fail as Poker Alho's.

EDIT 4: Okay, i keep editing this post as to not bump this thread.
Maybe we can change the challenge to something like:
Make a deck using Photon and either GotP or Drain Life. Have to be original. Which has just done by SnoWeb. Anything else?

[burpcow]

I am very excited to see what decks you four will come up with!

[Gandora]

Thanks for the support, guys!

Our first work (well maybe not, but still):
I got an idea here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36824.0.html). In short:
Trying to make deck which use Photon, GotP, and Drain Life as the core strategy. Upped is okay.
(yes, 1 Photon and 1 Drain Life in Ghostmare counts as success, but not core strategy)

Ideas including:
Photon bouncing (and GotP nightmaring) super stall (against AI, you can nightmare Photon to fieldlock)
Ragequit deck (using photons? Field lock with Afla and Hand lock with GotP? Drain the remaining creature?)
500 HP EM deck (now this one is hard. I don't know how to make it.)

Honestly, i'm bad with stalls, so i might not be able to build an optimal one this time. Help?

Is RoL allowed or just Photon?

[Poker Alho]

RoL is allowed as the future deck can be fully upped

EDIT: ok, i decided to make a deck for the challenge while i was studying lol

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use RoLs to power your shield and lock down your opponent's field with nightmares
use eternity to rewind unwanted creatures and to lock the fiels even more
play Gotp as critter and another nightmare option to clog up the opponents hand
Syphon life as a little CC option besides the somewhat expensive rewind-in-a-stick

[Gandora]

I didn't want to go for a deckout nor something with nightmare.
So I came up with this super strange somehow/sometimes working deck:

by Gandora

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Admittedly, Siphon Life is almost completely useless. Depending on situation you have to give quintessence either to RoL or GotP.
SoR should be used of course on GotP. You can change the Hourglass for Ghost but I wanted more draw power since I need lots of cards
to set up offense as well as defense.

@Poker Alho:

Simple and nice. Like it!

[Mathematistic]

Ah ha. I love cremations.

Admittedly, Siphon Life is almost completely useless.

Syphon life as a little CC option besides the somewhat expensive rewind-in-a-stick

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Crema-golem with moar draw power!! And GoTP for time mid-rangers (which is one of the underused aspects of GoTP compared to obsession), RoL for cremation fuel (keep them unupped-->lower deck cost), and siphon life for little CC. Also can rebounce RoL to prevent deckout.
This is focused on the physical aspects of the creatures instead of the abilities. Rather unusual? (or unoriginal for that matter)

Edit: Another deck for the second challenge.

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It can satisfy the requirements of 1st challenge too, by adding a photon for bouncing.
It is basically pestal, but you can either fractal ghosts or vampires for end game damage, depends on whether you need speed or healing. The extra draw power is very nice.

[SnoWeb]

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This is a combination of Traitor (from Essence) and the goodol' Ghostmare. It will be 100% less effective than each of them. Moreover, it amplifies an already existing problem of Ghostmare: the early requirement.
I would say: not original, not efficient = Fail.

I didn't want to go for a deckout nor something with nightmare.
Admittedly, Siphon Life is almost completely useless.

I think you should swap your two SL for nightmares. I mean you have quite a lot of good candidates (GotP and RoL) for it. Still we have a good candidate.
You have your ghosts for damage. They are unuped which lighten the requirement. And the RoL/Hope for defence. The (+) from the SN strategy is the use of mitosis. Very good with the RoL/Hope of GotP/SoR.
The whole thing looks quite good but I would try to add 1 more hope and 1 more SoR. Maybe like this:

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Original and mildly efficient = Win

in platinum league

[Dm]

You know, I find it funny that you guys wanted core strategy with Photon and Siphon life, but then...

Lol.

With 2 ghostmares and a cremation rush, half of this doesn't seems original.. at all. Congratulations to Gandora for making a win deck, though.

[Poker Alho]

You know, I find it funny that you guys wanted core strategy with Photon and Siphon life, but then...

Lol.

With 2 ghostmares and a cremation rush, half of this doesn't seems original.. at all. Congratulations to Gandora for making a win deck, though.

you do know we are open to suggestions, so if you think you can do better, post it instead of saying crap that doesnt help at all...

[suxerz]

Heh. Looks like someone took things too seriously. But I must say that I can see some points in what DM said.

I'm happy with the objective/purpose of this whole thing in general, but I strongly feel that this particular "challenge" have absolutely no benefit in achieving your goals. Seriously, why did you choose these random cards? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any synergy between these cards. If it's true, then why the effort? In my eyes, this is like trying to create a deck using Dissipation shield, Sanctuary and SoSac as the main cards. 

[Mathematistic]

You know, I find it funny that you guys wanted core strategy with Photon and Siphon life, but then...

Lol.

With 2 ghostmares and a cremation rush, half of this doesn't seems original.. at all. Congratulations to Gandora for making a win deck, though.

Blending existing strategies/enhancing a tactic is counted as original. Ghostmares with mitosis makes them multi-functional, and is far from unoriginal.
The way how I interpret original is that how it mixes existing synergies into practical and powerful decks. The number of synergies won't increase, but the combinations are much more than we can discover.
You're welcome to share your own original ideas here, so why not give it a go?

Heh. Looks like someone took things too seriously. But I must say that I can see some points in what DM said.

I'm happy with the objective/purpose of this whole thing in general, but I strongly feel that this particular "challenge" have absolutely no benefit in achieving your goals. Seriously, why did you choose these random cards? Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any synergy between these cards. If it's true, then why the effort? In my eyes, this is like trying to create a deck using Dissipation shield, Sanctuary and SoSac as the main cards. 

Limited deckbuilding is fun...