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"I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121952#msg1121952
« on: January 19, 2014, 06:01:20 am »
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I had a few interesting ideas for decks for adrenastaffs.  In the past, I've found that it can be a fairly effective strategy, but it suffers from low damage output, making it fairly easy to deck out.  It can also be vulnerable to OTK strategies, since it has no defense other than massive healing, which is useless against OTKs, and the low damage output gives OTK strategies time to set up.

Idea #1: Divine Adrenastaffs
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The extra max hp given by shards of divinity should hopefully put the deck out of OTK range, as well as just give even more healing to the deck.  It doesn't have many quanta sources, and does look a bit low, but QI swears that this is sufficient.  If it isn't, -1 SoD +1 pillar or pend would probably do it.

Idea #2: Null and Void
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Low damage output from staffs?  No problem.  With this deck, you can beat strategies that outheal your damage by reducing their max hp.  A single siphon life and/or nightmare might not go amiss in place of one shard.  Siphon life would let you sneak in a kill against a 1hp opponent if they had a large shield blocking your staffs, as would nightmare.  If they had both jade shield and sanctuary out, you'd still be screwed, though.  (mirror shield isn't enough to block the staff attacks)  However, that's a fairly unlikely scenario.

Idea #3: Born Free
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This one I've seen done before, but I'll add it, anyway for convenience.  (the previous two ideas are new to the forum as far as I am aware)  This one increases damage output as well as adds shield bypassing.  It also -might- work unupped, whereas the other two would fail.  (you'd have to use some pendulums, and cut 1-2 shards and maybe 1 copy of the adrenastaff combo in order to generate sufficient quanta, though)

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No idea if the quanta balance would work on this one, but it might be fun to try.  Don't play the tower shield if you even think your opponent has steal :p  It isn't really necessary to include, but I figured it was a rather unconventional way to use up some of the excess nova quanta from otherwise unused elements.

A warning; I haven't tried any of these yet, but you might see me in pvp2 testing them out soon :)  Just wanted to see if the community had any feedback or suggestions to give on them.  (probably no point commenting on #3; it isn't that original, and is mostly there to show my thought process that led to deck #4)


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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121954#msg1121954
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 06:22:34 am »
As a lover of adrenastaves, I approve of all of these ;). I must say though that I like the void version more than the rest. Maybe a random PU version might work too... Nah, too much quanta usage

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121955#msg1121955
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 06:38:18 am »
I had a fun life/aether 60 card deck based on that strategy, but I seem to have lost the code for it.  It involved the basic adrenastaff core, along with all my life and aether nymphs, some quints/SoW/jade shields, usable on either my own staffs, or to do the quint/SoW on opponent's creatures and reflect via jade, and then PUs, SoGs, and bonds, and I think some mitosis as well, maybe some other stuff I forgot about.  It was very versatile in its strategies depending on what the opponent was using, which made it a lot of fun.  I think I lost the code when I lost a bunch of my BL records this season, though.

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121958#msg1121958
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 07:22:56 am »
I've ran Adrenastaves with SoFre in PvP1 before, and it worked quite nicely. I don't think you need to replace the pillars with pendulums, though. It's a bit tight on quanta but pillars allow you to Adren' your staves ASAP. Also Fog Shields help survival.

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121994#msg1121994
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 12:47:54 pm »
Hm you got some interesting decks up there. However I think I could add another dimension. Here are 2 of out war decks. Not to forget these decks had to be 50% in earth at least so you will most likely be able to make better versions.

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121996#msg1121996
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 12:56:47 pm »
I'm surprised there's no Unstoppable splash in the Hybrid. Apart from that everything here looks pretty nice.

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1121998#msg1121998
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 01:34:07 pm »
A work around against Jade Shields in "Null and Void"

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1122004#msg1122004
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 03:05:01 pm »
I know its a bit of a step away from being purely Adrenastaves but I have this deck which I used in an event once and enjoyed;

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It can get a lot of damage down if allowed to meaning decking out shouldn't be as much of a problem (in the event it went 1-1 against a Air Sancstall) but it would still struggle against OTKs with the right defence.

I also have this deck in one of my files;

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I can't remember where this came from. I didn't build this myself. It might be on the forum somewhere. CC is the real problem for this one but using Unstoppable to get into the Adrenaline sweet spot is nice.

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Re: "I told you to take the wizard’s staff!" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53428.msg1122005#msg1122005
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 04:00:30 pm »
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I can't remember where this came from. I didn't build this myself. It might be on the forum somewhere. CC is the real problem for this one but using Unstoppable to get into the Adrenaline sweet spot is nice.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 04:24:14 pm »
If you wanna debate who did it earliest, I did 'em both in one deck: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/trial-final-battle-results/%28aether-final-battle%29-higurashi-5-4-pikachufan2164/msg270934/#msg270934 x) (Staffs of the Divine)
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2014, 09:49:53 pm »
How could I forget this deck which I posted long ago?
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