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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13221#msg13221
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2009, 07:15:28 pm »
Carcinogen is still just a prototype; it clearly need some adjusting some of the options that I am considering are:

1 - Increasing the cost of the card (again). Killing a creature while ignoring its DEF is - by itself - already worth the cost.
2 - Turning cancer cells into 1/1 creatures, this way, when used on the opponent, the damage from his cancer cells will force force the player to use at least a shield. This would however make the use of carcinogen on your side even more attractive.
2.1 - Turning cancer cells into 1/2 creatures (1/1 if carcinogen is upgraded) and limiting the use of carcinogen to only enemy creatures. This would reduce the card versatility but it gets rid of multiple exploitation problems.
3 - Limit the use of carcinogen to creature with HP<7 (7 is just an example). I still do not like cards that completely ignore the creature defense stat.
4 - New cards that inflict damage to any creature on the board (friendly side as well) will soon be available.


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Also... another thing that worries me is the name of the card "Cancer cell".
Some people are particularly sensitive to the "cancer" topic, and seeing it in the game might be upsetting to some. The game does not imply in any way that "cancer is good"... in fact, the dynamic is quite similar to what happens in reality; a very unlucky circumstance mutates a cell in your body that keeps replicating for no good reason, shutting down functionality. Still, some people might not like it.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13222#msg13222
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2009, 07:28:32 pm »
1. No, that's a cheap trick for balancing.
2. Good
2.1. Rather not, reduces the card versatility. Versatility is what the game needs when having not many cards yet.
3. I competely agree. Complete ignorement of DEF while killing is just unfair.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13225#msg13225
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2009, 07:47:53 pm »
I think you should just take out the word "cancer" from the name. Regular cells replicate as well. This gives me an idea though. What if you had a stim cell spell, which would allow you to change the cells somehow? I'm thinking either into a creature, or with a new ability.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13229#msg13229
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2009, 08:07:38 pm »
Cancer cells take up space from normal cells :)

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13252#msg13252
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2009, 11:00:46 pm »
It is true that "Cancer Cell" might not be the best choice. Lot of young people play this game and if they've had to deal with Cancer in their family, this card is just a reminder of that.

Virus would be good but it's already used. How about Disease?

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13254#msg13254
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2009, 11:03:50 pm »
Hey, zanz, how about a more generic 'blob'-y name like 'necrotic sludge' or 'wightplague', and then rename 'cancer cell' to 'ooze' or 'wight'?
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13256#msg13256
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2009, 11:06:07 pm »
it has already been changed to malicious cell. making it unusable on yourself wouldn't be too limiting, This deck would be fine.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13257#msg13257
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2009, 11:16:44 pm »
it has already been changed to malicious cell. making it unusable on yourself wouldn't be too limiting, This deck would be fine.

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sure ur deck is fine(no creatures) but it doesn't mean it won't reduce the card's versatility. it is as if saying that only being able to use TU on opp's creatures won't reduce versatility too much since i have no creatures anyway, no matter that it would screw lots of decks and GEMINI...
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13266#msg13266
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2009, 12:49:12 am »
I see that the card was renamed Aflatoxin. It poisons the target creature. If the creature dies, it'll turn into a Malignant Cell.

But now, the card is a bit underpowered. 9 Death just for 1 poison is not enough. Maybe inflict 2 or 3 poison on the target creature? I think 3 poison would be good.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13267#msg13267
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2009, 12:55:27 am »
I see that the card was renamed Aflatoxin. It poisons the target creature. If the creature dies, it'll turn into a Malignant Cell.

But now, the card is a bit underpowered. 9 Death just for 1 poison is not enough. Maybe inflict 2 or 3 poison on the target creature? I think 3 poison would be good.
And if that happens then the cancer cell should come back, not the crappy reproducting every turn, both cards are way underpowered, how about keeping aflatoxin but bringing back cancer cell? Nerf one or the other zanz, not both.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13268#msg13268
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2009, 12:59:54 am »
Huh? What? Your post did not make any sense at all. Do you want the original Cancer Cell, which reproduces every one turn instead of two, to be brought back?

Aflatoxin should be changed to 3 poison, but Malignant Cell is fine as it is. Reproducing every two turns is still powerful, especially if you have multiple Cells.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13271#msg13271
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2009, 01:07:28 am »
Your post did not make any sense at all.
I said, I like aflatoxin as it is if original cancer cell (not name but ability) comes back, he nerfed both to the point of un-use-ability

 

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