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New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13067#msg13067
« on: December 17, 2009, 10:09:32 pm »
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13078#msg13078
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2009, 10:53:27 pm »
It immediately makes one enemy creature disappear, and starts taking up all the other slots exponentially. On the enemy's side. So he eventually can't play any more.

Strong stuff.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13084#msg13084
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2009, 11:51:50 pm »
Alternately, you can play Death/Life with Feral Bonds and Graveyard/Vulture/BoneWall, so if the opponent leaves you alone, you gain phenomenal life, and if he doesn't, you gain massive skeletons/huge Vultures/invulnerable Bonewalls.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13085#msg13085
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2009, 12:08:45 am »
There is really almost no way to counter this... if you know the person has these in their deck, you might try not playing any creatures until you have some type of creature control that can target your own side (such as oty's, or mutation to use on the cancer cell). Other than that, I can't think of anything... The fire lance deck or drain life deck would be the only counter decks I can think of (or maybe a mutation/TU deck).

A deck might be:
13 bone towers
6 carcinogens
4 bone dragons
2 bone walls
2 arsenics
2 plagues
1 of whatever card above you want to add (or an upped sundial on the off chance you need to delay a couple turns)
mark of death



Or you can go with:
13 bone towers
4 carcinogens
4 vultures
3 plagues
2 bone walls
2 graveyards
2 of whatever card(s) above you want
mark of death

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13092#msg13092
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2009, 12:26:16 am »
With this card, I can really see the use of being able to target yourself with RoF and Plague.  I wonder if zanz might be changing those cards to give players more options to cope with this new card?

Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13094#msg13094
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2009, 12:53:20 am »
With this card, I can really see the use of being able to target yourself with RoF and Plague.  I wonder if zanz might be changing those cards to give players more options to cope with this new card?
I don't think so, also that would target creatures, one more thing... The cancer cell was originally my idea  :D

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13095#msg13095
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2009, 01:03:41 am »
one more thing... The cancer cell was originally my idea  :D
Didn't you already start a new thread where you explained this fact? :)

Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13096#msg13096
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2009, 01:05:53 am »
one more thing... The cancer cell was originally my idea  :D
Didn't you already start a new thread where you explained this fact? :)
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13098#msg13098
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2009, 01:17:23 am »
Demagog, you don't want Plagues in a deck with Carcinogen.

Realistically, this could be considered the game's only true "kill a creature" spell.  Sure, it gives rainbow decks plenty of Feral Bond fodder, but it's the only spell that doesn't take an enemy creature's toughness into account at all when removing it from the game.

That alone is worth quite a bit.  Colossal Dragon?  Not Anymore! 

The slot-filling thing is just evil. 

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5 Carcinogen
5 Deadly Poison
3 Elite Otyugh
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Tight, evil, and very hard to deal with.  Save up 7 Death mana ASAP, and hit the first thing on the board with Carcinogen.  Then sit back and use Oty+BoneWall on Cancer Cells for defense, and ever-growing Otys+Deadly Poison for offense.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13103#msg13103
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2009, 01:32:04 am »
I'm thinking (without testing) this card will make mono-death a serious FG contender.

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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13116#msg13116
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 02:04:24 am »
I just tried Carcinogen. It's insane. Even if the Cancer Cell is nerfed to replicating every other turn, it still doesn't matter if you have 2 on the field. My opponent's field was filled within 3 turns; then I put in some Condors, Graveyards and Bone Walls, and Plagued him. 2-turn kill; it would've been 1 turn if he hadn't sniped my Condor as soon as it came out.
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Re: New Card: Carcinogen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1404.msg13118#msg13118
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2009, 02:06:17 am »
OK, so I just played a few T50 games with this:

14 Death Pillar
1 Arsenic
2 Condor
2 Graveyard
2 Retrovirus
2 Improved Plague
3 Bone Wall
4 Carcinogen

and I have to tell you, Carcinogen+Graveyard+Plague/Retrovirus is just evil.  Condor is kinda meh, Bone Wall is nice but almost totally unnecessary, but Graveyard is eeevil.

I gotta quit for the day, but I'm seriously thinking that Death+Darkness with Steal for permanent control and Carcinogen+Plague+Graveyard+Eclipse for control and kill is a winner.
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