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i assume they're only invisible to the opponent? it might be a little...hectic if you're playing a lot of things, particularly with abilities, and you cant see them/cant remember what you have on the field.Yes, they're only invisible to the opponent.
ATTENTION:How do I reliably get the AI to use it on me?
This card is currently available to be used in the Trainer (http://elementsthegame.com/trainer). Perhaps it would be to the benefit of everyone to test it there first and then ask any unanswered questions pertaining to the card here.
Play ANY opponent that uses darkness quanta. All cards in development are automatically added to every opposing deck for testing purposes.ATTENTION:How do I reliably get the AI to use it on me?
This card is currently available to be used in the Trainer (http://elementsthegame.com/trainer). Perhaps it would be to the benefit of everyone to test it there first and then ask any unanswered questions pertaining to the card here.
[10:57:43 PM] zanzarino: Hi... I am uploading some interesting stuff
[10:58:13 PM] zanzarino: Nope.... the darkness card
[10:58:37 PM] jmdt: cloak
[10:58:43 PM] zanzarino: http://www.elementsthegame.com/development.html
[10:58:48 PM] zanzarino: ^ Updated
[10:58:55 PM] zanzarino: ...And in the trainer as well
[11:00:08 PM] Malduk: invisible = untargetable or completely removed from the board?
[11:00:22 PM] zanzarino: invisible=...invisible
[11:00:30 PM] zanzarino: You can not see tha cards anymore
[11:01:13 PM] zanzarino: cloak is the only visible cards and can be destroyed
[11:01:27 PM] zanzarino: Area of affect spells will remove cloak as well
[11:12:29 PM] Malignant: Cloak will have a timer, like Sundial?
[11:12:49 PM] zanzarino: 2 turns malignant
[11:12:59 PM] zanzarino: Might increase it to 3 if needed
[11:13:26 PM] zanzarino: I did not test it in a deck yet, might be a little bit on the situational side
[11:15:04 PM] Malignant: Invisible...so nobody can see it :o?
[11:16:16 PM] zanzarino: You can still see your cards... in fact nothing changes for you... It is your opponent that can not see them anymore
11:16:41 PM] Malignant: Wonder what happens to noobs who will go..."HOW YOU GENERATE QUANTA?" :o?
11:17:40 PM] zanzarino: Well it is quite easy to understand what happens since all the cards disappear and the only card left says "cloak"
11:21:14 PM] ~Napalm: what happens when 2 Cloaks are played at the same time?
[11:21:45 PM] zanzarino: Napalm: nothing, you wasted one of those
[11:21:47 PM] ~Napalm: I'm assuming 1 stays visible, but I don't know for sure
Beef, I think it lasts enough to setup some strategy.But that's a rainbow deck :P
Maybe cloak with anubis is a good combination, time to quint anubis and quint the other creatures that you lay down after cloak.
Cloak+Silence = TOTAL NINJA STYLZ!lol this
Elements the Game is entering a new day.This!!!111 Of all the cards to be added at 1.26, this is my favorite. Makes surprise decks really surprising.
Rainbow will use this and Silence a lot, I think. I like the card, and it would really be AWESOME in PvP........WAIT.Nice question....maybe Talas who have a screenshot of the card in action can explain for us
If you play this, will the opponent still be able to see what you have played through the images of the cards when played? If he does, or even if he just pays a lot of attention to your quanta in some cases, I think the card lost some great potential.
It still shows the card played from your hand.Rainbow will use this and Silence a lot, I think. I like the card, and it would really be AWESOME in PvP........WAIT.Nice question....maybe Talas who have a screenshot of the card in action can explain for us
If you play this, will the opponent still be able to see what you have played through the images of the cards when played? If he does, or even if he just pays a lot of attention to your quanta in some cases, I think the card lost some great potential.
If the Cloak is a shield, that looks like what it's supposed to do. But it's not in the shield spot...It's not a shield.
Interesting new card. Pestal could be interesting with this. That being said, I'm not so certain of the power in a rush deck. That, and this with Dusk Shield is hax.So firestall is going to have a hell of a time next war? :))
This + Reflective Shield. :)
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.html
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8458/veildarkness.png)(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3563/cloakdarkness.png)
Made this over 6 months ago....
I know this was in the pipeline for a while but you think I had any influence?
[00:08:20] Kuroaitou: @zanz: Was cloak inspired by any card found on the forum Zanz? ^^; Just curious.from http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17265.msg239590#msg239590
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[00:09:04] zanzarino: Kuro: no, I had cloak in my list of card to create for a long long time
If the Cloak is a shield, that looks like what it's supposed to do. But it's not in the shield spot...Right, and I just replicated this on my side of the field: other shields function the same way, but when Dissipation Shield is up it's completely different. The Shield stays up while Cloak is activated until the first creature on your opponent's side of the field makes an attack. The Shield shatters instantly, allowing all damage to pass through like normal.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.htmlIt is an almost perfect match :) Grats.
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8458/veildarkness.png)(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3563/cloakdarkness.png)
Made this over 6 months ago....
I know this was in the pipeline for a while but you think I had any influence?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6037.0.html
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8458/veildarkness.png)(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3563/cloakdarkness.png)
Made this over 6 months ago....
[00:08:20] Kuroaitou: @zanz: Was cloak inspired by any card found on the forum Zanz? ^^; Just curious.You mindsniped zanz. Props.
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[00:09:04] zanzarino: Kuro: no, I had cloak in my list of card to create for a long long time
That is the second of my ideas that is incredibly similar to and preceded a real card Zanz developed. The first was Chimera (My card was Converge and only combined 2 creatures, not all of them). Now Cloak.It won't be the first card put in the archives.
Don't get me wrong these are simple but good ideas that anyone could come up with but no my card is going to languish in the archives and be forgotten as there is no point to it anymore.
Something I haven't been able to test yet:It would still require a giant red bulls-eye to hover over that card spot which, to my recollection, does not appear.
Are you able to target other permanents/creatures while cloak is on the field?
(I know they will be invisible, but if you are still able to use card placement and prior memory to provide a counter - and make sure you pay attention to every move your opponent makes)
AI Note: I was playing Hermes and using Precog noticed he had half his hand full of Explosions, but he never decided to destroy the Cloak.Unless I fundamentally don't understand what cloak does, wouldn't that be because it's invisible?
Cloak itself is still visible; it's really the only reliable way to counter it while it's in play. I noticed the exact same thing happen against the AI3 myself.AI Note: I was playing Hermes and using Precog noticed he had half his hand full of Explosions, but he never decided to destroy the Cloak.Unless I fundamentally don't understand what cloak does, wouldn't that be because it's invisible?
However, If I giant bulls eye appeared in every available slot...it would add to the confusion, but let the more intelligent and alert players among us be able to navigate through this 'cloak'Something I haven't been able to test yet:It would still require a giant red bulls-eye to hover over that card spot which, to my recollection, does not appear.
Are you able to target other permanents/creatures while cloak is on the field?
(I know they will be invisible, but if you are still able to use card placement and prior memory to provide a counter - and make sure you pay attention to every move your opponent makes)
Interestingly, the AI plays very intelligently w/Cloak, I'm impressed at it's ability to seemingly 'figure out' what's happening on your side of the board. For example, I was chaining Cloaks, and it waited until it had seen me cast 3 creatures before casting RoF and breaking the Cloak. Very cool.I highly doubt this is due to the I in AI. It's more like when x=3, cast y.
I really like this idea. The targets (either CC or PC) will be highlighted but you can't see what they are. This will be an excellent experience in PVP, though I'm not sure about AI... Oh well, we can always dream of having that. :PHowever, If I giant bulls eye appeared in every available slot...it would add to the confusion, but let the more intelligent and alert players among us be able to navigate through this 'cloak'Something I haven't been able to test yet:It would still require a giant red bulls-eye to hover over that card spot which, to my recollection, does not appear.
Are you able to target other permanents/creatures while cloak is on the field?
(I know they will be invisible, but if you are still able to use card placement and prior memory to provide a counter - and make sure you pay attention to every move your opponent makes)
Alternate art (possibly a foil?):Have you drawn... THAT?!
(http://www.vrt-designs.com/stuff/elements/cloak.png)
You act as if the latter actually needed a counter :P
On the other hand, Cloak nicely counters at least two cards - EQ and Poseidon :P
You act as if the latter actually needed a counter :PNope,
Has anyone tested to see if RoF removed a Protected cloak?Sure does:
Alternate art (possibly a foil?):I've said it a million times in chat and I'll say it again: Batman Ash Eater.
(http://www.vrt-designs.com/stuff/elements/cloak.png)
On the other hand, Cloak nicely counters at least two cards - EQ and Poseidon :PIt also let's growth creatures get out of otyugh-omnomnom range.
Has anyone tested to see if RoF removed a Protected cloak?Yep.
On the other hand, Cloak nicely counters at least two cards - EQ and Poseidon :PNot really. EarthQuake and Quicksand are both cheaper and will hit before you get to use your cloak. Try playing Seism and ask what he thinks of Cloak.
It also let's growth creatures get out of otyugh-omnomnom range.But you could have instead used a Blessing or Chaos Power and been further ahead or just used Lightning, freeze or shockwave and killed/injured the Oty. And if your opponent isn't using CC himself those spells can be used to slow rush. Where cloak does nothing.
Art is of course awesome, but it looks way too much like a creature. I'd like if all creature art to look like creatures, and all spell art to look like spells, otherwise it's going to be really confusing to newbies.Alternate art (possibly a foil?):I've said it a million times in chat and I'll say it again: Batman Ash Eater.
(http://www.vrt-designs.com/stuff/elements/cloak.png)
Anyway, yes, great art. When Zanz first announced Cloak I wanted to see if that was the art posted, and I was a little sad it wasn't. Regardless, this card is still a great (and much wanted) addition to the game.
^^ This. I had to look really hard at that picture in order to figure out WTF it had to do with cloaks at all.Hehe. Isn't that the point. ;)
About the art:Ah.. I thought it was some sort of an island covered with black mist/fog. Not to say it's bad; the art is great - it's hard to see because it is too small. Would love if there is some sort of archive stored somewhere so that we can see the full size art for all cards.
vrt, please accept my apologies, the cloak art did look great, as usual; but it did look a lot like a creature and I knew I was going to get lots of complaints about it. So I used your art and added a few effects, I ended up adding lots of stuff to the original art... if you look at the card there is still the brimstone eater in the middle- disappearing.
Ehm, already think i found a bug.Yup, I had that happen too. AI cloaked, my infected grey nymph died, and the boneyard generated a skeleton that was visible (and was promptly afla'd by another grey nymph)
My opponent had a boneyard, then played cloak. One of my creatures died, and there was suddenly a skeleton and Cloak on the same time.
Ill try to take a screenshot if it happens again
1. I don't really care that I can't see the opponents cards. If I have a control method it likely also controls Cloak. Ie RoF, pulvy, Deflag etc.It would be useful though in a situation where your opponent already has a pulvy out and you have one in your hand but can't play it since he would be able to destroy yours first. Now you can just play cloak first, then yours and either your opponent has to use his to destroy the cloak instead next turn, or he won't be able to see yours to target it.
So... Actually viable now?Nope.
Yes.So... Actually viable now?Nope.
Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
Not if the opponent uses mass creature control.and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
mass CC??? last time I checked, there are only 3... RoF, thunderstorm, and plagueNot if the opponent uses mass creature control.and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
I think this is a nice buff for Cloak. Can't say I've used it, but maybe this card change will make it more desirable to use.
Pandemonium would like a word with you ;)mass CC??? last time I checked, there are only 3... RoF, thunderstorm, and plagueNot if the opponent uses mass creature control.and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
I think this is a nice buff for Cloak. Can't say I've used it, but maybe this card change will make it more desirable to use.
rarely ever you see thunderstorm... plague is more common, but not by much, RoF is really the only threat
(not sure if unstable gas can break the invisibility too)
oh wait, yeah, that too...Pandemonium would like a word with you ;)mass CC??? last time I checked, there are only 3... RoF, thunderstorm, and plagueNot if the opponent uses mass creature control.and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
I think this is a nice buff for Cloak. Can't say I've used it, but maybe this card change will make it more desirable to use.
rarely ever you see thunderstorm... plague is more common, but not by much, RoF is really the only threat
(not sure if unstable gas can break the invisibility too)
More mass CC: Retrovirus, Flooding|Inundation, Fire Shield|Buckler, Thorn|Spine Carapace, and Skull Shield|Buckler after buff.oh wait, yeah, that too...Pandemonium would like a word with you ;)mass CC??? last time I checked, there are only 3... RoF, thunderstorm, and plagueNot if the opponent uses mass creature control.and it protects creatures and other permanents too...Now it syncs with Dim shield :DMy thoughts exactly. :aether can now duo with :darkness instead of :earth for shield protection. And the protection will last just as long.
I think this is a nice buff for Cloak. Can't say I've used it, but maybe this card change will make it more desirable to use.
rarely ever you see thunderstorm... plague is more common, but not by much, RoF is really the only threat
(not sure if unstable gas can break the invisibility too)
yes, but none of those are relevant, because none of them break Invisibility.But does the Invisibility protect creatures against those?
yes, but none of those are relevant, because none of them break Invisibility.Retrovirus does. It's a Plague, technically, so it'll break the Cloak.
Update card image, yes? I don't think Cloak looks like a doll with needles in it >.>Err, my bad, the picture wasn't really good at first so I fixed to to be the same format as the rest of the Darkness cards, apparently made an error while having 20 tabs open, fixed now. Thanks for reporting!
You need the Oracles Fortune.Great, thanks, added to the original post.
Might want to lock this topic off and consolidate the info from the various sources.
Just played Serket at Beta, and there are times he is Cloaked, but the Cloak permanent is also invisible. Probably due to multiple cloaks? Can someone confirm that? I try to give AI just Towers and cloaks in Trainer, but the AI only plays one Cloak at a time...The Cloak permanent should show, otherwise how could you destroy it.
Cloak now has sweet new special effects in Trainer. :)essence is late to the game...
Also, the AI for cloak needs to be changed so that it treats Cloak like PHase Shield -- playing a new one when the old one is at 0, not a turn after it expires. As it is, it completely fails to provide the AIs that play it with the kind of continuous protection that it's obviously supposed to.
That Cloak definitely disappear after first turn, and I am dead sure that he plays another Cloak when the field is already Cloaked. Sorry about no screenshot, I was too shocked I guess...Just played Serket at Beta, and there are times he is Cloaked, but the Cloak permanent is also invisible. Probably due to multiple cloaks? Can someone confirm that? I try to give AI just Towers and cloaks in Trainer, but the AI only plays one Cloak at a time...The Cloak permanent should show, otherwise how could you destroy it.
And the AI is smart enough to not mass cloak. Similar to how it won't just spam Dim shields.