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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262121#msg262121
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 08:03:18 pm »
Note that Physalias will not be cremated unless they are lobotomized. That's right, unless the opponent has an early lobotomizer, Lancelot has 22 dead cards in his deck. Also note that the AI will continue to improve
The problem here isn't the lack of Cremating the Physalias -- though that does instantly cripple this deck.  The problem with Lancealot is that the AI will happily waste bolt after bolt on enemy creatures, leaving you with only the small and utterly unprotected Physalia to do all of the hard kill-work for you -- and they only have the Mark to power them, so the majority will be sitting around uselessly.  Lancealot is -- forgive my arrogant assumption -- garnering votes because people know it will be trivial to beat, and yet it has excellent rewards (3x6 cards = best spins of any FG thus far.)

Lancealot is basically a very clever variation on Farmer Joe that looks dangerous...but isn't. 

In many ways, Mimic is in the same boat.  3x6 cards -- with no extras, so it's actually even better odds than Lancealot -- and exactly nothing that it can do to your plans except slowly imitate them and possibly Mutate an unprotected creature.  It's basically a fun-to-play biting farm deck.

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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262273#msg262273
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 11:19:22 pm »
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262275#msg262275
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 11:20:47 pm »
Eternal Crusader -No matter what you do, he keeps coming! :D
No matter what you do, what you just said sounds completely wrong.
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262285#msg262285
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 11:29:25 pm »
Yeah Dragoon, you spelled my False God wrong. I demand correct spelling and a vote for my troubles :P

Want to see a False God...
a) who is really a God?
b) kill you with just two turns of attack?
c) use a deck incorporating 3 never-before-seen cards in previous False God decks?
d) use Ball Lightnings as his primary source of damage?
e) feature the liberating power of Air, one of the few False God decks to do so?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, Zeus is the God you should vote for.


And if you answered "no" you should still vote for him. :)

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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262298#msg262298
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 11:42:48 pm »
Eternal Crusader -No matter what you do, he keeps coming! :D
No matter what you do, what you just said sounds completely wrong.
Ahhh it's not my fault you have to think of it that way. >.< Fine, here it is again:

Eternal Crusader: Speed, Power, Divine Righteousness- He's got it all.
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262299#msg262299
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 11:43:58 pm »
Note that Physalias will not be cremated unless they are lobotomized. That's right, unless the opponent has an early lobotomizer, Lancelot has 22 dead cards in his deck. Also note that the AI will continue to improve
The problem here isn't the lack of Cremating the Physalias -- though that does instantly cripple this deck.  The problem with Lancealot is that the AI will happily waste bolt after bolt on enemy creatures, leaving you with only the small and utterly unprotected Physalia to do all of the hard kill-work for you -- and they only have the Mark to power them, so the majority will be sitting around uselessly.  Lancealot is -- forgive my arrogant assumption -- garnering votes because people know it will be trivial to beat, and yet it has excellent rewards (3x6 cards = best spins of any FG thus far.)

Lancealot is basically a very clever variation on Farmer Joe that looks dangerous...but isn't. 

In many ways, Mimic is in the same boat.  3x6 cards -- with no extras, so it's actually even better odds than Lancealot -- and exactly nothing that it can do to your plans except slowly imitate them and possibly Mutate an unprotected creature.  It's basically a fun-to-play biting farm deck.
But which "enemy creatures" are the bolts wasted on? In the most popular FG grinders, there is no massive spam of high-attack creatures early in the game, and so bolts will not be used on creatures.
You seem to be underestimating Physalias. The majority will not be "sitting around uselessly," they will be doing 2 damage per turn. In addition, from my playtesting with chriskang's fg cradle, Lancelot usually has more than enough :death to power all the Physalias on the field (usually 4). And with just Physalias, he can kill in 4 turns. You will not be able to kill Lancelot without killing or lobo'ing his Physalias.
So Lancelot really does not need 12 Ice Lances to kill the enemy, it has enough to spare as mindless CC. Yet the thing is that this deck is supposed to be a soft counter to the popular FG-killers of the time, and there would be no mindless CC being used in the first place against popular FG-killers of the time.
Lancelot is dangerous.

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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262303#msg262303
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2011, 11:47:38 pm »
Eternal Crusader -No matter what you do, he keeps coming! :D
No matter what you do, what you just said sounds completely wrong.
Ahhh it's not my fault you have to think of it that way. >.< Fine, here it is again:

Eternal Crusader: Speed, Power, Divine Righteousness- He's got it all.

You know who else has "Speed", "Power", and "Divine Righteousness"?

Zeus does.

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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262305#msg262305
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2011, 11:51:10 pm »
I (hopefully) corrected all of the spelling errors I've made.
Thanks for the heads-up.  :)
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262306#msg262306
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2011, 11:51:21 pm »
Well yeah? Thinking for the average players' benefit, Electrum Hourglass, Eternities, Pulverizers, and Quintessences are always good cards that are almost used in any Rainbow decks; Eternal Crusader is a good not-too-easy but rewarding god for sure.
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262310#msg262310
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2011, 11:53:13 pm »
I (hopefully) corrected all of the spelling errors I've made.
Thanks for the heads-up.  :)
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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262318#msg262318
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2011, 12:05:21 am »
Adding Echo to the poll? ...
Check!

And I am sorry, my unicorn friend, it was my fault that your submission was missed.  :)

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Re: Voting: Adaptation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20615.msg262403#msg262403
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2011, 01:03:46 am »
Don't worry about it. I already know it won't win since I didn't have the time or hardly the means to revise it XP So it's not a huge problem at all haha
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