Post by: majofa on July 13, 2010, 07:03:46 pm
Post by: Marvaddin on October 12, 2010, 09:46:55 pm
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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/Marvaddin/ChaosLordRuin.png)
Cards that need upgrades: Hourglasses and Otyughs.
Additional tips: you need Eternity to dont deck out. Dont play it without PA, unless you have Hourglasses out that can be targets of his PC (not very strong PC, however). You can use Fractal on almost everything, but I usually use on Fallen Druid, so I can have a mutant army quickly. In this game it wasnt even necessary.
Post by: kurathedog on October 16, 2010, 08:00:20 pm
Bounce the mutants over and over, and deck him out.
Will need rares though (obviously) and probably SoGs.
Post by: Kakerlake on October 17, 2010, 02:24:28 pm
Those 3 :earth related cards are quite useless though. Was meant to protect Eternity if the fight went longer.
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This deck doesn't work very well.
Go for SG's Rainbow instead for better resaults!
Post by: hainkarga on November 10, 2010, 06:17:54 pm
I've just beaten Chaos Lord with this Deck.I played with this deck (minus earth related cards, plus more upgraded cards) and i got totally annihilated without any chance to fight back. His early discord destroyed me and it ended 198 hp VS 0 hp regardless of my 4 SOG's (which i played using garbage quanta) delaying my destruction. Readers, don't play with this deck. If oracle tells you CL, just modify ccyb and go with it.
Those 3 :earth related cards are quite useless though. Was meant to protect Eternity if the fight went longer.Code: [Select]55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55q 55q 55q 55r 55r 55r 592 5aa 5aa 5ro 5rt 5rt 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 74b 74b 74b 7q5 7q5 7q5
Well, the shards are necessairy. Without them, a gravity shield might help to survive the big not eatable creatures that might get out. Didn't test it with a shield though.
Post by: Kakerlake on November 10, 2010, 07:40:49 pm
I played with this deck (minus earth related cards, plus more upgraded cards) and i got totally annihilated without any chance to fight back. His early discord destroyed me and it ended 198 hp VS 0 hp regardless of my 4 SOG's (which i played using garbage quanta) delaying my destruction. Readers, don't play with this deck. If oracle tells you CL, just modify ccyb and go with it.Sory about that then. I didn't test that deck more than once when I placed it here. After a couple of batlles in the trainer (took like an hour to find CL) This deck shows some mayor weak spots.
SG's Rainbow works much better!
I hope no one else had any problems because of my suggested deck, I'm sory if anyone had.
My previous post will be edited in a second and I'm gonna sit in the corner of shame after that.
Post by: nerd1 on December 05, 2010, 08:48:01 pm
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 07, 2010, 01:13:40 pm
EDIT: nope, it worked just with me, and just because I was lucky. :)
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If he pumps a creature to 6+ hp, don't bother touching it, just lobotomize it. Beware high attack creatures as he can suddently pull a momentum on them - count your life points... Lobotomize it again and you're safe. Once you pull off the gravity shield, work on weapons. Animate + Quintessence on them to keep 'em safe. ALWAYS animate + quint the Eternity as battle can last long. Owl's Eye + Otyugh and Rage Potions take care of his little beasties (such as mutated 15/5 ruby dragons...). Trident is there to ensure you will pass through his shields - eventually - and to slow him down. But if you can use Butterfly Effect on a Mind Flayer (keep one with lobotomize nonetheless) he's done for.
Post by: hainkarga on December 14, 2010, 07:29:33 pm
Sorry i didn't notice your reply early. I'm in no way blaming you. You thought of a deck that you thought would work and tried to help. It would totally be more fun if 100 people posted FG decks and only half of them really worked. FG strategy forums need more love.
Post by: Hade5 on December 29, 2010, 12:09:03 pm
This worked awesomely. He didn't even have a chance.This didn't worked at all for me.Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vo 55p 592 5fb 5fb 5ic 5if 5if 5if 5li 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 621 621 6qq 6qq 6qq 74b
He barely putted a single pumped momentum'd 11/8 spider and crunch my pv's with.
Cannot do anything about.
Cards I had were pretty much : 8 pillar, nova, 2 Mind flayer, flying weapon, eagle's eye, 4 sundial, Quint, Otyugh, rage potion.
Can't play the otyugh beacause I never had 5 gravity.
Mind flayer and rage potion were no help.
Animated eagle's eye have been mutated.
2 of the 4 sundials have been destroyed.
This deck has NO solution against big monsters if you don't have gravity. The solutions are based on two combos that are hard to assemble since the deck can't reliably count on extra draws.
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 29, 2010, 01:02:33 pm
You should have quinted the mind flayer to lobotomize druids and creatures with momentum. Rage potions are there to help also with early druids so they can't mutate your creatures (except for the odd mutation he throws out here and there).This worked awesomely. He didn't even have a chance.This didn't worked at all for me.Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vo 55p 592 5fb 5fb 5ic 5if 5if 5if 5li 5oi 5oi 5ol 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5up 621 621 6qq 6qq 6qq 74b
He barely putted a single pumped momentum'd 11/8 spider and crunch my pv's with.
Cannot do anything about.
Cards I had were pretty much : 8 pillar, nova, 2 Mind flayer, flying weapon, eagle's eye, 4 sundial, Quint, Otyugh, rage potion.
Can't play the otyugh beacause I never had 5 gravity.
Mind flayer and rage potion were no help.
Animated eagle's eye have been mutated.
2 of the 4 sundials have been destroyed.
This deck has NO solution against big monsters if you don't have gravity. The solutions are based on two combos that are hard to assemble since the deck can't reliably count on extra draws.
I do notice, though, now that you mention it, that the deck relies heavily on the Gravity Shield. I was lucky to find it three times in the first 10 cards, but it would probably help to have more than one in the deck. Plus maybe sundials.
Post by: Hade5 on December 29, 2010, 05:17:52 pm
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You should have quinted the mind flayer to lobotomize druids and creatures with momentumNot really.
I couldn't play a quinted MF earlier enough to do that.
Removing the momentum from the 11/8 was totally useless because I had no shield anyway.
Post by: Hade5 on December 31, 2010, 01:16:06 pm
Not to blame you, I wouldn't take my previous defeat as a final statement on your deck.
My draws : (random order)
4 pillars
3 sundials (destroyed one)
3 mind flayer
miracle
steal
rage pot
nova
animate weapon
butterfly effect
two last draws :
eagle's eye
otyugh
He killed me with a first turn pumped 6/7 photon, cannot do anything.
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 31, 2010, 01:26:54 pm
Post by: Hade5 on December 31, 2010, 01:49:28 pm
Maybe I had twice very very bed luck with the pile, I don't know.
It is hard to be sure how good a deck is against a flase god because we can't really test him. (we can't choose our FG opponent)
You just seems pretty much confident in your deck like chaos lord had no chance at all. I would give you some feedback like I could have gave on another deck if I tried it.
The idea is to give % match-up of your deck against him, maybe two other people that tried it won their games, if you did too, it's a 3/2 for the moment for instance.
The draw list may help us to improve it, those who won had card #1, card #2 and card #3, thos who lost didn't, maybe we should focus the deck on these cards since they seem strong against this FG.
Don't give up, go on.
Post by: Izzythemachine on January 10, 2011, 10:54:32 pm
As long as you take some form of healing you should be fine. Make sure to fractal those dragons to take out the dissipation shield. A shield of 12-13 should be enough to block most of the damage, but having the nymph/lucifern is instrumental, because you need your shield to be as beefy as possible.
This is the deck I use:
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You could use lucifern and some SoG's instead of the nymph if you dont one.
Some advice: Try to get an electrocuter out as soon as possible. If you leave those druids unchecked, they will mutate your dragons into worthless creatures.
Post by: Aitvaras on February 03, 2011, 03:29:05 pm
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6083/chaoslorddeckfailed.jpg)
the idea is to use antimatter and quintessence on his creature to keep you alive and not allow him to mutate them. the mindgate was my weapon of choise to eventualy win using his dragons and other creatures to hopefully kill him. didnt get to test it working yet. but maybe just a couple fractals on his dragons would be a better idea anyways, except those are great targets for antimatter+quint :S
anyone have some ideas? staying alive was EZ btw.
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Post by: TombSimon on March 26, 2011, 10:04:28 am
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Look out for Unstoppable Creatures or Momentum Mutants - they should be Lobotomized/Lightning'ed as soon as possible.
You should be safe with 13 RoL on the field ;)
btw: it's not THE deck against Chaos Lord, but for totally unupgraded this is my best bid.
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/8140/chaoslord.jpg)
Post by: einish on April 08, 2011, 01:26:04 am
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don't throw in a mind flayer if you there is a druid on board. In this case either quint it or throw 2 mind flayers at once.
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Post by: johannhowitzer on April 14, 2011, 04:48:20 pm
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:entropyAntimatter - harness something big to heal you. He may Improve an Antimattered target.
:entropyPandemonium - unreliable, but stands a chance to incapacitate his entire field, more or less, for several turns.
:deathPoison - does not respect Dissipation Field!
:deathPlague - he rarely gets a quint, so this can destroy his whole field. 3 turns to kill a Druid.
:deathAflatoxin - Cells cannot be mutated, but this needs to be used with a shield or healing permanent - which he could steal or destroy.
:death :rainbowDeathstalker - must be used in conjunction with a buff, but again, poison is great against his shield.
:gravitySapphire Charger - passes shields, but a likely target for his Druids.
:gravityMomentum - an obvious choice, but Druids can't remove it.
:gravityOtyugh - only useful if Quinted or you can get one to 1|4 before he plays his first Druid. He may still cast Mutation.
:gravityGravity Pull - can be a godsend for killing large or emergency targets, but only if you have a creature out.
:earthEnchant Artifact - Earth splash to prevent PC...
:earthEarthquake - if you decide to go with bashing through his shield, this could be used on Quantum Towers to kill 9 quantum generation a shot.
:lifeThorn Carapace - probably the fastest way to kill a large creature. It doesn't need to stay out forever to kill everything he has.
:lifeForest Scorpion - until he gets the dreaded shield out, stick him with some extra poison!
:fireFire Shield - quicker than Thorns at destroying smaller targets, but much slower at destroying large ones, and needs to remain on the field.
:fireDeflagration - better than Momentum at beating his shield, but you need four of them to be sure.
:fireRain of Fire - will wipe his Druids and Rays clean, unless he Chaos Powers one.
:water :deathChrysaora - renewable poison that ignores his shield, and an unlikely Mutation target, but requires a specific duo.
:waterIce Shield - unbuffed Rays cannot be frozen, but this will still buy some time.
:water :aetherMind Flayer - obvious, but does not prevent Mutations from his hand.
:water :rainbowNymph's Tears - versatile but unlikely. In conjunction with Steal, can make renewable Antimatter... if you can Quint as well, which needs a trio.
:lightSanctuary - counter Discord and draw his PC away from other things.
:airThunderstorm - like Rain of Fire, but can't kill Druids. Mostly an early card to delay painful mutants arriving on his side.
:air :fireUnstable Gas - like Thunderstorm, but requires a duo and hurts him through his shield - and he can't heal.
:timeProcrastination - better than Ice Shield at buying time, and predictable enough to open a window where his Druids are unable to mutate.
:timeReverse Time - counter mutants with momentum or dangerous abilities, and stall him at the same time.
:time :rainbowDune Scorpion - if you can scratch him, it's worth many, many Forest Scorpions.
:darkness :deathParasite - requires a certain duo, but can bring down giants, and is not a likely mutation target.
:darknessSteal - unlikely to help against his shield if you run non-rainbow, as it will flatten your quanta, but still an option.
:darknessCloak - without a field spell, this will buy three turns of near-immunity to mutation and PC.
:aetherParallel Universe - I've never tried this against mutants, so I don't know if you will get their exact abilities or a new mutant.
:aetherFractal - mostly useful in conjunction with Rays for a Hope shield, but who knows? He might get a mutant of something you can spam.
:aetherMindgate - if it lasts, you can turn his whole deck against him. The good part is you'll probably get his Steals before he does.
I've colored red the cards I think most likely to be amazing against him. Death, Life, Fire, and Time seem especially promising.
Here are the most helpful rares:
:deathArsenic - more poison! Poison!!
:gravityTitan - every turn he doesn't make it go away is 7 more damage for you, and again, he can't heal it back.
:earth :gravityPulverizer - counters his shield directly but requires a rather unhelpful duo to pull off.
:water :earthTrident - renewable, unlike Earthquake, and can completely bury his quanta... if you can keep it out.
:waterArctic Squid - more reliable than Ice Shield, but also more susceptible to mutations.
:airOwl's Eye - Snipe kills Druids and Rays in a single shot. Giants can also be brought low if he doesn't explode it.
:timeEternity - a bit heavy on the quanta, but capable of stalling him for quite a while if it works.
:aetherLobotomizer - a mono version of Mind Flayer!
Post by: The_GrimReaper on April 14, 2011, 06:01:29 pm
For PU, you get the same kind of mutant, but with a random stat bonus and a new ability (same quanta type because it's the same base creature). Not bad, but without quint he may remutate them and he still has twice your health.
Judging from the decks already posted, Mindflayer or Lobo is almost essential. I'd much rather go for PC or poison than Momentum as it seems a lot more reliable, even though mutated creatures keep momentum.
Might just as well repost this here, 12/20 wins (5EM), but could be more if I'd stick to the rules I've set myself when playing this. ~330 secs. for a win though.
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Post by: johannhowitzer on April 14, 2011, 06:17:48 pm
Post by: Baily18 on April 17, 2011, 12:34:17 am
Stalling w/Dim Shield:
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Post by: Calindu on May 01, 2011, 12:23:12 pm
Protect artifact=last-1 and eternity got doomed
Post by: Calindu on May 01, 2011, 12:52:11 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 22, 2011, 03:04:15 pm
I am very keen to see how a deck with Fire/Thorn shield and Poison would do. Theoretically, Fire Shield won't ever let his Rays live unless he mutates them right away or Chaos Powers them.Which sadly happens entirely too often for the deck to be consistent. I tried this and got beaten fairly handily:
I intend to test this more later, as it has potential, but it seems if you don't get enough pillars early you're screwed, and if he gets too many CPs early you're also screwed.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 22, 2011, 03:09:20 pm
Post by: TombSimon on May 26, 2011, 04:45:35 pm
+ Butterfly effect. The only non-rare PC you don't need 4 of to kill his shield (and annoying discords).I think this deck works quite good, although it's very slow, but I roated CHoas Lord 4-1 (2 EM) with it. Well, it helps, that I have access to 2 Purple Nymphs, which speeds up the deck. I changed it to:
For PU, you get the same kind of mutant, but with a random stat bonus and a new ability (same quanta type because it's the same base creature). Not bad, but without quint he may remutate them and he still has twice your health.
Judging from the decks already posted, Mindflayer or Lobo is almost essential. I'd much rather go for PC or poison than Momentum as it seems a lot more reliable, even though mutated creatures keep momentum.
Might just as well repost this here, 12/20 wins (5EM), but could be more if I'd stick to the rules I've set myself when playing this. ~330 secs. for a win though.Code: [Select]4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vo 4vo 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5if 5if 5if 5if 5if 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig
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Post by: stylish777 on June 16, 2011, 07:36:06 am
Really like the idea of the deck above. I wanted to try a different version that can get somewhat higher attack and quint. Enter Aether Pends.Tried this ^ + 2 pends.. the first antimattered creature got mutated with a card instead of a druid.. then i didnt have enough entropy to antimatter it again and died.. the next game i tried it again and died before i even got to use an entropy nymph..Code: [Select]4vo 4vo 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5if 5if 5if 5if 5if 5if 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a
Unfortunately I lost because I played more Flayers than I needed and thus ran short on water quanta, but this kind of deck seems like a solid concept. Adding more pends seems like it could help a lot. Maybe -1 Flayer, -1 Tears, +1 of each epnd, or maybe even just bump it up to 32 cards.
Edit: i had everything upped except the druids for obvious reasons. for this deck to work it either needs way faster defence (water towers/pends and/or shield/sundials) or healing, wich doesnt seem the best option since it can get stolen.
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Cant believe no one could give it a reply. The old SG "almost no upgrades FG Killer" do it very well.Code: [Select]4vo 52n 5ro 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 61t 622 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u6 71b 74b 74b 77c 77i 7am 7am 7do 7do 7n3 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 80h 80h
tried this ^ with an added permafrost (water was unused and it really helps to freeze those giants) and another eternity, since you cant use it when its the very last card in the deck and had great succes.
3rd edit: Slightly modified the deck again to better fit the new skills and card texts from mutation and rewinded skele's.
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Removed fractal, for deja vu and mitosis occurs on both mutated skele's and mutated fireflies
Added an animate for an eternity to be able to use it as bait/FG lockdown/more mutaded skele's/fun/whatever..
Removed diamond shield because i really like permafrost way better. Just dont ever let it get stolen if your dont have butterfly effect protected or you only have one eternity left and its flying, offcourse. Perhaps for these circumstances a diamond shield is better after all..
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on June 16, 2011, 01:46:48 pm
Post by: Higurashi on June 17, 2011, 08:10:08 am
Cant believe no one could give it a reply. The old SG "almost no upgrades FG Killer" do it very well.Rushed in a couple turns after unamusing discards and useless Dials. What's the actual winrate?
Post by: kobisjeruk on June 20, 2011, 08:00:37 am
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Post by: lskpiano on June 23, 2011, 08:35:02 pm
Why a Fog Shield rather than a Permafrost? What is the advantage? (I should be able to figure it out myself, but my brain isn't working today.)Code: [Select]5if 5if 5if 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 77f 77f 77i 7ak 7dq 7dq 7k2 7n0 7q5 7q5 7q5 80h 80h
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LSK Piano
Post by: Higurashi on June 23, 2011, 08:36:57 pm
Post by: ralouf on July 10, 2011, 07:25:13 am
Got 0 tower out of 15 cards while his discord prevent me to have 2 entropy and play SN.
Lost without playing a card. Otherwise the deck looks good.
Post by: Xenocidius on July 14, 2011, 07:18:07 am
Post by: Van Cleef on July 18, 2011, 07:55:18 pm
Post by: justinterested on July 19, 2011, 03:21:15 pm
I have tried the Oracle: Paradox deck against Chaos Lord for a couple of games, and it seems to work:I got a good hand and it worked very well though he managed to power up a rol to 17/16. Spinned supernova and improved mutation :)Code: [Select]5if 5if 5if 5if 5la 5la 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 622 622 622 622 622
Lobotomize/Lightning his Fallen Druids early on, so that the RoL doesn't get mutated, and Fractal them to give yourself protection. Don't fill the field with RoL, or you won't have space to Fractal dragons to get past Dissipation Field. Also don't play out both dragons without Fractalling them, or they might get mutated.
Look out for Unstoppable Creatures or Momentum Mutants - they should be Lobotomized/Lightning'ed as soon as possible.
You should be safe with 13 RoL on the field ;)
btw: it's not THE deck against Chaos Lord, but for totally unupgraded this is my best bid.
Post by: Xenocidius on August 06, 2011, 01:52:51 pm
That deck was posted here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23099.msg316695#msg316695). Claims a 66% winrate.
Post by: Saranis on August 12, 2011, 12:47:54 am
Maybe against other False Gods, but not against Chaos Lord.
That deck was posted here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23099.msg316695#msg316695). Claims a 66% winrate.
Post by: ddevans96 on August 12, 2011, 12:50:49 am
Post by: Xenocidius on August 12, 2011, 05:49:05 am
Obviously, it's meant for solely for Chaos Lord, as the only other place it has been posted is earlier in this thread.Whoops. Fail on my behalf for not reading the rest of the thread.
Post by: Rember on August 21, 2011, 01:10:07 pm
Confirming this is legit. Chaos Lord 2x in a row now, both wins 1 EM.
That deck was posted here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23099.msg316695#msg316695). Claims a 66% winrate.
Edited it a bit since it overproduces water and really needs BE for the shield.
Don't get 1st turn discorded and you should be fine.
Post by: Angelic_Dawn on August 24, 2011, 07:27:31 am
Works nicely
Post by: umgrego2 on September 15, 2011, 03:26:38 pm
if you got the resources, Yaladilae's Butterfly Angel is a good matchup for Chaos LordTried this ^^ and decked out. Not enough time quanta being generated. Even with all towers on the board, they are generating only an average of 2 of each type of quanta, and you need three each turn in order to rewind a creature and avoid deck out.Code: [Select]6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u8 71b 74b 74b 77i 7do 7gp 7k2 7n3 7q5 7q5 7q8 7t6 80h 80h 80h(http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0.html)
* i use pest instead of angel
Post by: Calindu on September 15, 2011, 03:40:29 pm
Post by: Bhlewos on September 22, 2011, 04:21:46 pm
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/BhlewosAQW/ElementsTheGame/chaosLordCounter.png)
Post by: nolf on October 02, 2011, 08:29:37 am
Post by: rickerd on October 02, 2011, 09:25:20 am
It can kill:
- Chaos lord (easy)
- Dark Matter (easy, when you have sactuary in your start hand)
- Decay (easy, same as Dark Matter)
- Destiny (easy)
- Elidnis (easy when he was no water or eather towers else medium)
- Ferox (medium)
- Fire Queen (easy)
- Gemini (easy prepare for twin universe)
- Graviton (hard, fractal a master)
- Hecate (medium, easy if you have antimatter quick)
- Incarnate (easy)
- Jezebel (hard, medium when you enchant her quantum towers, prepare for much steals)
- Lionheart (easy with permfrost and pulvi)
- Miracle (medium)
- Morte (easy)
- Neptune (easy)
- Obliterator (hard, medium when you have all antimatters quick)
- Octane (easy with enchanted pulvi and antimatter)
- Osiris (east with perm frost)
- Paradox (easy)
- Scorpio (hard)
- Seism (medium if you protect your towers)
- Serket (easy)
the rest = rage quit
Post by: Jappert on October 02, 2011, 09:28:55 am
- Chaos Lord
- Dark Matter (you gotta be kidding me right...)
- Fire Queen
CCYB is by no means a reliable CL counter so deserves no place in this topic imo! This topic is about dedicated Chaos Lord counters, not FG grinders in general.
(Also please stay on topic and don't make this a CCYB discussion)
Post by: Rember on October 02, 2011, 09:30:59 am
Post by: rickerd on October 02, 2011, 10:24:47 am
These gods are certainly not easy:yeah, maybe it depends on it's mutations
- Chaos Lord
- Dark Matter (you gotta be kidding me right...)
-Fire Queen
CCYB is by no means a reliable CL counter so deserves no place in this topic imo! This topic is about dedicated Chaos Lord counters, not FG grinders in general.
(Also please stay on topic and don't make this a CCYB discussion)
But WHAT firequeen not easy??????!
that's one of the most simple gods
and by dark matter I wrote if ya have sact in start hand
don't try to make a war of this plz I've got better thnigs to do.
Post by: Xenocidius on October 05, 2011, 07:18:35 am
I'm considering that an upgraded version of the OP deck may be better than the current one. For example:
Post by: BluexLightning on October 08, 2011, 05:10:53 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on October 26, 2011, 09:33:40 pm
Tried it, literally got blown by a bad draw. 3 BE's clogged in my hand, 0 Mind Flayers in 17 turns, and a 3rd turn Discord for him. Also the only Nymph I played managed to antimatter 1 Werewolf before the Werewolf mutated into a Cockatrice with 1:life paradox and killed my nymph the very next turn, and I couldn't do anything after that >.<Confirming this is legit. Chaos Lord 2x in a row now, both wins 1 EM.
That deck was posted here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23099.msg316695#msg316695). Claims a 66% winrate.
Edited it a bit since it overproduces water and really needs BE for the shield.
Don't get 1st turn discorded and you should be fine.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on October 28, 2011, 09:21:50 pm
Post by: Rember on October 29, 2011, 01:43:51 am
I usually just scroll through the FGEI thread to see winrates vs certain gods if I'm too lazy to think of an upped counter of my own. In retrospect I'd probably add a water pillar or take out a BE or something, it's a very slow deck and you'll likely get what you need unless you BEs are the last 2 cards in your deck. Nothing will save you from early discord and lucky mutation to rush you down, though.
Post by: TStar on November 05, 2011, 04:40:09 pm
Post by: Isei on November 07, 2011, 06:33:18 pm
First turn Devour mutant completely wrecks the unupped duoSeems like a very low-percentage scenario. Doesn't seem worth it to try to play quintessence, does it?
Post by: ninetyfools on November 08, 2011, 01:06:21 am
Me think start Rol/Hope. AND I won with 97 hp!!! THANK YOU XENOCIDUS!
Post by: TStar on November 13, 2011, 08:55:08 am
You'd think so but I've had it happen now twice in a row, and 4 times in my last 10 CL predictions so......First turn Devour mutant completely wrecks the unupped duoSeems like a very low-percentage scenario. Doesn't seem worth it to try to play quintessence, does it?
Post by: ninetyfools on November 13, 2011, 01:18:27 pm
You guys must have terrible luck. I have been using all of the unupped decks he made and they ALLL WORKED.
Post by: furballdn on November 21, 2011, 05:21:26 pm
Post by: ralouf on November 22, 2011, 08:41:36 am
Post by: Boingo on November 26, 2011, 03:21:45 pm
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd238110/ChaosLight2.png)
Post by: Higurashi on November 26, 2011, 03:29:37 pm
Post by: willng3 on November 26, 2011, 04:42:52 pm
Post by: suxerz on November 26, 2011, 09:16:09 pm
Wait. How did he manage to get a Burrowed Light Nymph with Luciferin as the ability?I think the light nymph was a mutant graboid with hatch ability. Due to the burrowed status, the hatched creature is no longer a mutant. Thus, resulting a burrowed normal creature which in this case a light nymph. Similar result can be produced by a quinted mutant with hatch too.
Post by: willng3 on November 28, 2011, 03:29:50 pm
To my knowledge Mutants with the Hatch ability have always hatched into Mutants.Wait. How did he manage to get a Burrowed Light Nymph with Luciferin as the ability?I think the light nymph was a mutant graboid with hatch ability. Due to the burrowed status, the hatched creature is no longer a mutant. Thus, resulting a burrowed normal creature which in this case a light nymph. Similar result can be produced by a quinted mutant with hatch too.
Post by: suxerz on November 28, 2011, 06:33:54 pm
...It will not if the mutant was quinted or burrowed. Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9766.msg278197#msg278197) is another screenshot by deepdown which is how I first discover this "hidden" mechanics. But I must say it's quite embarrassing to read my old posts. >.<
To my knowledge Mutants with the Hatch ability have always hatched into Mutants.
Post by: Plantifant on November 28, 2011, 08:02:41 pm
No she's not, she can rush you to death before you have a perm frost.These gods are certainly not easy:yeah, maybe it depends on it's mutations
- Chaos Lord
- Dark Matter (you gotta be kidding me right...)
-Fire Queen
CCYB is by no means a reliable CL counter so deserves no place in this topic imo! This topic is about dedicated Chaos Lord counters, not FG grinders in general.
(Also please stay on topic and don't make this a CCYB discussion)
But WHAT firequeen not easy??????!
that's one of the most simple gods
and by dark matter I wrote if ya have sact in start hand
don't try to make a war of this plz I've got better thnigs to do.
And no one is making a war...
Post by: willng3 on December 02, 2011, 09:25:38 am
Huh, that's odd; I'm surprised I've never noticed that before....It will not if the mutant was quinted or burrowed. Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9766.msg278197#msg278197) is another screenshot by deepdown which is how I first discover this "hidden" mechanics. But I must say it's quite embarrassing to read my old posts. >.<
To my knowledge Mutants with the Hatch ability have always hatched into Mutants.
Thanks for digging that up for me.
Post by: Xenocidius on December 02, 2011, 09:29:28 am
Post by: puri1 on December 02, 2011, 01:43:06 pm
Post by: furballdn on January 14, 2012, 10:17:30 pm
Post by: Boingo on February 05, 2012, 05:56:46 am
Thanks for being at the very bottom of my deck lava golems >_>This. Even with early flayer, early fog, 3 SoGs and green nymph as a pet, I could not win as nobody else showed up. He played diss shield after 4-5 turns, stole an unprotected hourglass and pulvy (which showed up last turn) and cruised to victory. Frustrating.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 05, 2012, 02:16:45 pm
I'm not sure how consistent this is, but it was the easiest CL EM ever today. I really do not like that upped deck in the first post, and haven't won with it since before the update (and even then i lost sometimes).
Post by: Guldfisk on March 05, 2012, 08:14:54 am
This deck is brilliant for this FG, just won a match will full health.
Post by: furballdn on March 25, 2012, 07:35:41 pm
>mfw he gets immortal 10 atk creature that I can't antimatter
Post by: Seyren on May 10, 2012, 08:10:32 am
This deck is brilliant for this FG, just won a match will full health.
And i didn't stand a chance with this one because i drew just one water pillar. Couldn't get out a Nymph's Tears in time to antimatter his 12 attack power Fallen Druid and some smaller creatures...
Post by: Higurashi on June 01, 2012, 12:35:07 pm
He loves stealing Sancs, so his Diss Field is useless.
Post by: mesaprotector on June 01, 2012, 03:27:15 pm
He relies on a small number of creatures for mutations and damage, so BBs and wardens should be enough to lock him down. It's also quite possible to break through his Diss Shield, just don't wait too long to discard SoP. Needs more testing, but I'm 2-0 so far.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on June 04, 2012, 09:48:31 pm
No towers and only 2 SNs for the first 18 cards. >:(
Post by: Junkers on June 16, 2012, 08:22:08 am
This deck didn't work for me... not enough creature control. I got overwhelmed in a hurry.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on June 25, 2012, 12:23:30 pm
Seeing as there's no reliable counter here, I'll post the one I use on my alt. It usually wins, but if it loses it's to an early rush. CL is a beast at that sometimes.
He loves stealing Sancs, so his Diss Field is useless.
Effortless EM with this deck. (With the lobo and the dragon and the sancs upped)
He stole the sanc the same turn he played the diss field ;D.
Post by: The Chosen One on August 20, 2012, 10:14:40 pm
Post by: eaglgenes101 on August 21, 2012, 06:07:16 pm
Post by: Graub on September 11, 2012, 08:52:05 pm
@_@
(http://i.imgur.com/1JDIS.png)
Post by: Absol on September 24, 2012, 10:24:46 am
But seriously. Poison breaks through Diss Field, and if you get fast Arsenic, it can also give some damage. I EM'd him even with somewhat late poison and no Arsenic to get through Diss.
For healing, well he will get some damage on the field, so SoSa is good here. Beware for the Explosions though.
Post by: pemi on September 24, 2012, 03:07:39 pm
I used this deck and it was really easy to beat him but maybe i had luck..
Post by: Moraku on September 26, 2012, 12:11:54 pm
Poisondial SoSa is super effective!Not REALLY super-effective, since Arsenic often misses due to early Diss Field.
But seriously. Poison breaks through Diss Field, and if you get fast Arsenic, it can also give some damage. I EM'd him even with somewhat late poison and no Arsenic to get through Diss.
For healing, well he will get some damage on the field, so SoSa is good here. Beware for the Explosions though.
I think we should modify it slightly like so:
Just tested this, it seems to work, although he managed to pull out some mutated devour and started killing my Physalia.
Post by: ddevans96 on October 11, 2012, 10:10:12 pm
He loves stealing Sancs, so his Diss Field is useless.
Swapped both dragons for archangels. Almost outstalled an early rush, and would have easily if not for a third-turn discord. Sadface.
Post by: Rutarete on October 29, 2012, 01:50:38 am
Worked pretty well even against a 2nd turn Discord, though I lost because of a sudden momentum for the kill. Sadface.
Post by: ddevans96 on November 28, 2012, 10:03:40 pm
Still trying to decide what I want to use when Chaos Lord comes up. This is essentially just a rehash of the entropy/water duo. I basically used this today and won handily, though I never saw a discord and my entropy production was incredibly slow, so I swapped three entropy pends for pillars before posting. It's damage comes from creating aether nymphs, although you could use fractal too.
Post by: deuce22 on December 29, 2012, 03:25:20 pm
Post by: Junkers on December 31, 2012, 04:01:21 pm
Woulda been nice to have some random quanta to use the abilities given to me when CL improved my mito dragons, but wasn't necessary. With very little CC, CL is a pushover.
Post by: procproc on February 27, 2013, 01:14:32 am
I'm not sure whether there was an AI change with the last patch or not, but it doesn't seem like a viable build to me.
Post by: Anthraxx on March 18, 2013, 08:53:49 am
Post by: skyironsword on April 04, 2013, 12:38:58 am
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 04, 2013, 03:31:21 am
how the bleeping bleep was the unupped first post deck supposed to work =w=
Lobo druids and scary mutant abilities. Make purple nymph, antimatter big mutants (after making sure druids are lobo'd, or making sure the big mutant has an ability the AI considers useful enough that it won't re-mutate it). Make water nymph, proceed to turn all your water pillars into more water nymphs. Win.
It isn't a 95% win rate deck like some of the prediction decks, and it fails pretty hard if it doesn't draw quanta fast enough, and it fails pretty hard to either really bad or really good mutants, but it does work sometimes.
Post by: skyironsword on April 06, 2013, 12:17:41 pm
Post by: AyneSlaugh on April 18, 2013, 03:32:29 pm
This deck sux i fought chaos lord 3 times and not even close to win !
Newbies don't try it !
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 18, 2013, 03:39:33 pm
This deck sux i fought chaos lord 3 times and not even close to win !
Newbies don't try it !
Played it countless times. It definitely works, though not as well as some prediction decks for other FGs.
Newbies, try it, but make sure you understand how it works first.
Post by: AyneSlaugh on April 18, 2013, 04:18:12 pm
but still i think u might need to add some pillars cuz pillars issue in 3 games is a bit too much for luck only ! isn t it?
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 18, 2013, 04:43:42 pm
Okay I was kinda mad cuz it didn t work(no pillars)
but still i think u might need to add some pillars cuz pillars issue in 3 games is a bit too much for luck only ! isn t it?
There are 20 pillars in the 32 card deck.
Just be careful about how many of your pillars you turn into nymphs. One entropy nymph is good enough until pretty late in the game (unless you had a slow start and are getting rushed). Pretty much feel free to spam water nymphs, though. They're your main source of damage, and you don't need water for anything other than more nymphs once you've got a couple mind flayers in play (and mind flayers are cheap anyways). If you didn't know, once you've got a water nymph in play, its ability is much cheaper than casting another nymph tears, so unless you're just burning quanta in the late game, you should use the nymph ability rather than the spell.
If, with all that, you're still having problems with not enough pillars, feel free to add a few more I guess, but too many additional pillars will result in too many games where you're swamped with pillars and can't find your mind flayers or nymph tears.
Post by: Avenger on April 21, 2013, 08:14:01 am
Post by: skyironsword on April 26, 2013, 08:20:11 pm
Post by: Selinea on May 30, 2013, 02:32:56 pm
Even with one early enchanted hourglass, I drew four SoGs, quanta, and creatures. No pulvies or shields = loss. But even if you draw a pulvy with your hourglasses, you could have cycled through your deck too fast to deal enough damage. (And you need an early pulverizer. Otherwise, it would take too long for your lava golems to chew through the dissipation shield and then you'd still deck out.) And even if I drew a shield, pretty sure 12 points of healing wouldn't be enough. I'd still get whittled down in a couple more turns.
Now that SoGs use life quanta, wouldn't sancs be the clear better choice? If your sanc gets stolen, that stops the dissipation shield from working. Sancs also heal more than SoGs. You'd have to take out the miracle for something else though.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on September 13, 2013, 08:52:44 pm
That's all.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on December 26, 2013, 11:31:59 pm
Slight mod of first deck in light of updates:Hackupdatecreatedcough
Post by: jsrjohnny on December 27, 2013, 04:18:23 pm
(replaced Fog Shield with Dusk Shield, since no :darkness cards were in use, and an extra 10% miss chance)
Yahhhhhh.... freakin scary game. Won with 6 HP left. DUSK SHIELD FTW
Post by: trashduke on December 27, 2013, 08:00:53 pm
^Just a slight update:
(replaced Fog Shield with Dusk Shield, since no :darkness cards were in use, and an extra 10% miss chance)
Yahhhhhh.... freakin scary game. Won with 6 HP left. DUSK SHIELD FTW
I just lost with this one (with a few upped sancs to boot); I've had better luck with pdials, but I might try the grav/water duo.
Post by: dragtom on January 05, 2014, 02:57:01 pm
He gets more damage than you can heal quickly; you can't lock his :entropy.
A gravity or permafrost would do wonders, but they might just get stolen.
Post by: trashduke on January 16, 2014, 08:13:50 pm
^Just a slight update:
(replaced Fog Shield with Dusk Shield, since no :darkness cards were in use, and an extra 10% miss chance)
Yahhhhhh.... freakin scary game. Won with 6 HP left. DUSK SHIELD FTW
I just lost with this one (with a few upped sancs to boot); I've had better luck with pdials, but I might try the grav/water duo.
Well the grav/water duo didn't work for me either… too much damage towards the end, and CL didn't have any quanta for BH to steal…. Maybe I'll stick with Pdials for now.
Post by: kaempfer13 on May 15, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
A slightly modded mortecounter; the lobotomizers are essential to counter mutations. CL will use PC on Hourglasses only (if you have 1 out).
I think this is somewhat reliable, at least I just EMd CL.
Post by: Frelance on May 19, 2014, 12:15:54 am
744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 745 74b 74b 74b 74b 74b 74b 74d 74f 74f 74o 752 752 75m 75m 75m 75m 75m 80h 80h 80h 8pu
keys: tons of quanta to overwhelm early Discord, eat everything, Black Hole for EM
Post by: dawn to dusk on September 13, 2014, 07:20:10 am
modded the deck in the OP and EM'd
Post by: gumbeh on September 23, 2014, 07:29:33 am
Great modification. I modified your modification:
modded the deck in the OP and EM'd
and it worked great! Quanta was not an issue, an earlyish Octopus SAVED MY LIFE from some 12/9 mutie with Dive. (whereas the :water/ :gravity deck in the OP has given me 2 wins, 4 losses thanks largely to early, big muties with fat stats)
I'm thinking that the :gravity nymphs are just (incoming pun) extra gravy and we should be running 3 or 4 octopi that can SAVE OUR LIVES from big muties.
Post by: Boehjaner on September 30, 2014, 08:53:32 am
I used this
tested in simulator
win 4 times
lost 6 times
Post by: RavingRabbid on September 07, 2015, 08:06:49 am
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Post by: asdw152 on September 02, 2016, 08:48:08 pm
Post by: dragtom on September 03, 2016, 07:48:53 am
I think the ai only uses two snova's in a turn if it sees it can deal with the singularity right away-
so if there is a mutation in hand or a chaos druid on the field.
When it looks at the mutation/chaos druid, for whatever reason, it doesn't use it on the singularity.
I'm not sure about other forms of cc, but I think I saw another opponent using a RT on it's newly generated SN once.
Post by: kaempfer13 on December 31, 2016, 11:09:13 am
Another god that can be dealt with with swallow; I wonder whether its better than the NT deck and the mono :gravity
Post by: ddevans96 on December 24, 2017, 09:35:35 am
This got EM (-1 gravity quanta +1 octopus) even struggling to maintain water quanta through Discord the whole game. I'll be doing -1 water pend +1 water tower in the future but otherwise I love this.
Post by: Manuel on January 29, 2018, 02:28:45 pm
sopa + queen for breaking dissipation when chaos lord has 75 :entropy , squids keeps the druids frozen, with 10 gravy pends u should have no problems in bh every turn
in 10 games my sopa never got stolen, the only real cc he has is congeal, so play the sopa ONLY when u have a decent amount of creatures, count the steal he plays
even if he stole it, it shouldn't be a huge problem