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Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147630#msg1147630
« on: July 26, 2014, 09:43:18 am »
NAME:
Revert
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
4 :time
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Return a permanent slot to the state it was, when you ended your previous turn.
NAME:
Revert
ELEMENT:
Time
COST:
3 :time
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Return a permanent slot to the state it was, when you ended your previous turn.

ART:
Edited by: jarozaoz
IDEA:
Malignant
NOTES:
It can be used on your opponent's permanent slots too.
If in the previous turn you didn't activate a permanent's ability, you can: Use the ability, Revert that slot, and then use the ability again.
Of course, if you used the ability in the previous turn, then you can't Revert to use it again.

For example, opponent just played a Dim Shield when you're about to win, then just Revert it.
Your Cloak just went boomed? Revert it.
Some guy stole your SoPatience? Double Revert, your slot and his slot, to "steal" it back.
Opponent suddenly floods the field with creatures? Revert your Eternity as many times as you can to rewind them all~

Just don't click on the wrong slot.

Spoiler for all the permanents in the game currently:
As of version 1.327:
:chroma
Quantum Pillar
The 12 Marks
Dagger
Short Sword
Hammer
Short Bow
Shield
Type Thing
Stackable
Stackable
Weapon
Weapon
Weapon
Weapon
Shield

:aether
Aether Pillar
Dimensional Shield
Lobotomizer
Mindgate
Aether Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield + Timer
Weapon
Non-Stackable
Stackable

:air
Air Pillar
Fog Shield
Owl's Eye
Unstable Gas
Wings
Shard of Freedom
Air Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Non-Stackable
Shield + Timer
Stackable
Stackable

:darkness
Obsidian Pillar
Dusk Mantle
Nightfall
Vampire Stiletto
Cloak
Shard of Void
Dark Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Non-Stackable
Weapon
Non-Stackable + Timer
Stackable
Stackable

:death
Bone Pillar
Skull Shield
Boneyard
Arsenic
Bone Wall
Soul Catcher
Death Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Non-Stackable
Weapon
Shield + "Stackable"
Non-Stackable
Stackable

:earth
Stone Pillar
Titanium Shield
Pulverizer
Earth Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Stackable

:entropy
Amethyst Pillar
Dissipation Shield
Discord
Entropy Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Stackable

:fire
Burning Pillar
Fire Shield
Fahrenheit
Fire Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Stackable

:gravity
Gravity Pillar
Gravity Shield
Titan
Catapult
Gravity Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Non-Stackable
Stackable

:life
Emerald Pillar
Thorn Carapace
Emerald Shield
Druidic Staff
Empathic Bond
Shard of Gratitude
Life Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Shield
Weapon
Non-Stackable
Stackable
Stackable

:light
Light Pillar
Solar Shield
Reflective Shield
Morning Star
Hope
Sanctuary
Light Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Shield
Weapon
Shield
Non-Stackable
Stackable

:time
Time Factory
Procrastination
Golden Hourglass
Eternity
Sundial
Time Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Non-Stackable
Weapon
Non-Stackable + Timer
Stackable

:water
Water Pillar
Ice Shield
Trident
Flooding
Shard of Patience
Water Pendulum
Type Thing
Stackable
Shield
Weapon
Non-Stackable
Stackable
Stackable

Stackable as in cards that stack in the same slot. Revert allows you to destroy multiples of those cards if your opponent played multiple in the previous turn. Bone Wall will get/lose multiple bones too.
I may have derped somewhere in the table.



Spoiler for name suggestions by chat:
[2014-07-26 17:20:13] ‹Malignant› Sooo...quanta cost and name?
[2014-07-26 17:23:07] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 4?
[2014-07-26 17:23:21] ‹dawn_to_dusk› revert?
[2014-07-26 17:23:26] ‹dawn_to_dusk› no
[2014-07-26 17:23:43] ‹Malignant› Mainly need a name for it :P
[2014-07-26 17:25:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› put a name and add shitter on the
[2014-07-26 17:25:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› end of it
[2014-07-26 17:26:22] ‹Malignant› Why do you not like "Revert"? Seems kinda nice
[2014-07-26 17:26:46] ‹Submachine› make it revertshitter then
[2014-07-26 17:27:09] ‹Submachine› :silly:
[2014-07-26 17:27:23] ‹Malignant› lul k

Spoiler for some stuff mentioned by Dm about Bonewall/Dimensional Shields/whatever:
[2014-07-26 17:13:40] ‹Malignant› Hmm. Spell card idea: Return a permanent slot into its the state from the previous turn.
[2014-07-26 17:14:18] ‹dawn_to_dusk› OP and situational
[2014-07-26 17:14:29] ‹Malignant› How is it OP?
[2014-07-26 17:14:37] ‹dark_ripper› dim
[2014-07-26 17:14:41] ‹dawn_to_dusk› bone wall, 2 turn sundial, dim shield
[2014-07-26 17:15:09] ‹Malignant› It's only one extra turn, unless you stack it
[2014-07-26 17:15:19] ‹Malignant› But then might as well play more shields
[2014-07-26 17:15:22] ‹Dm1321› It's a two card combo
[2014-07-26 17:15:22] ‹dawn_to_dusk› bone wall?
[2014-07-26 17:15:24] ‹Dm1321› Wouldn't be OP
[2014-07-26 17:15:26] ‹Dm1321› Annoying at best
[2014-07-26 17:15:35] ‹Malignant› Play another Bonewall...?
[2014-07-26 17:15:45] ‹Malignant› Also affects opponent slots, so possible PC
[2014-07-26 17:15:51] ‹dawn_to_dusk› you could be getting a ton of bones for free
[2014-07-26 17:16:15] ‹Dm1321› There's no such thing as "OP and situational"
[2014-07-26 17:16:23] ‹Dm1321› Honestly, if it's situational you can pretty much disregard it being "OP"
[2014-07-26 17:16:37] ‹dawn_to_dusk› depends on the uses
[2014-07-26 17:16:41] ‹Dm1321› There's a way currently in - game to get a 1 turn win with a ruby dragon
[2014-07-26 17:16:49] ‹Dm1321› Doesn't make it OP as much as it makes it situational as hell.
[2014-07-26 17:16:50] ‹dawn_to_dusk› if you use it as PC protection, its situational
[2014-07-26 17:16:52] ‹Malignant› Maybe Bonewall might be too strong
[2014-07-26 17:16:52] ‹Torriku› I could buildi gaius for money amking only just send him in and have despoil
[2014-07-26 17:17:09] ‹Dm1321› And even going down the "OP" behavior
[2014-07-26 17:17:12] ‹Dm1321› Let's say you are right and someone uses this with dim shield
[2014-07-26 17:17:21] ‹Dm1321› You want to draw this card early and it's a spell
[2014-07-26 17:17:27] ‹dawn_to_dusk› *bone wall
[2014-07-26 17:17:34] ‹Dm1321› So you'll need six copies of this for it to work nice
[2014-07-26 17:17:39] ‹dawn_to_dusk› bone wall > dim
[2014-07-26 17:17:47] ‹Dm1321› So you'll need what, six of this + four or above of BoneWall/Dim/I don't really care
[2014-07-26 17:17:56] ‹Dm1321› Which is already 10 cards out of your deck
[2014-07-26 17:18:02] ‹Dm1321› Then you need to account for quanta sources for both
[2014-07-26 17:18:09] ‹Dm1321› And you also need to find a way to stall or kill your opponent
[2014-07-26 17:18:09] ‹Malignant› Disregarding Bonewall (or shields in general), is it still too strong?
[2014-07-26 17:18:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› is this card in time?
[2014-07-26 17:18:20] ‹Dm1321› While maintaning enough quanta balance to keep both cards + creatures running steadily
[2014-07-26 17:18:26] ‹Malignant› Yep.
[2014-07-26 17:18:35] ‹Malignant› At least, planning it to be. Reversing time and all
[2014-07-26 17:18:52] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@Dm1321› k
[2014-07-26 17:19:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› its not OP then
[2014-07-26 17:19:10] ‹dawn_to_dusk› putting it like that
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147631#msg1147631
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 10:00:22 am »
Interesting idea. Closest thing I can think of is pseudo-reverse time for permanents.

Some conditional questions (although I think I know the answer)

1. If I had 8 pillars in a stack, and they were all destroyed by Earthquake, would this let all 8 come back?
And 2. This works for statuses of permanents like Immaterial and freeze?
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147633#msg1147633
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 10:32:58 am »
I very much like this idea, and think it's much better than the "reverse time for permanents" cards I've seen or seen talked about. Very nice as PC or anti-pc, and the coding for "remembering" should be in game given the salvagers, so I think this is great (even much better than the salvagers)
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147634#msg1147634
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 10:41:28 am »
salvagers do not remember. They instantly add a destroyed permanent to your hand.

also, weapon duplication with flying weapon!
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147637#msg1147637
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 10:49:42 am »
also, weapon duplication with flying weapon!
Too bad it doesn't give you another FW though :p

Also, there's a discrepancy with the card name in the image and table
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147654#msg1147654
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 12:02:56 pm »
1. If I had 8 pillars in a stack, and they were all destroyed by Earthquake, would this let all 8 come back?
And 2. This works for statuses of permanents like Immaterial and freeze?

1. Yeeep.
2. Immaterial - Would work, except for that part where you can't target immaterial slots. If you had a PA'd Eternity, make it fly, and Revert it in the next turn, it will still be PA'd. Freeze/Delay - I don't see why not~

Also, there's a discrepancy with the card name in the image and table

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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147675#msg1147675
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 02:56:31 pm »
Hmm, next nice time PC idea. ♥

Anyway, why name on card is "Revertshitter"? .-.
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147678#msg1147678
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2014, 03:24:25 pm »
Hmm, next nice time PC idea. ♥

Anyway, why name on card is "Revertshitter"? .-.
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147734#msg1147734
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2014, 01:00:57 am »
And I have litterally been trying ALL. DAY. JUST TO GET THE UPLOAD TO FIX IT. ¬_¬
Everything else works PERFECTLY fine, just not this ONE TIIINNNNYYYY little post edit! Of course!
Seriously internet provider. Stop it. Or I seriously will overlord your systems with old people in thongs. .-.
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Serious:
Anyway, the wording on the card is... weird.
"Returns a permanent slot into its state from the previous turn?"
..."Return a permanent slot to the state it was in on the previous turn.", surely?
Other than that, I don't see why not. It seems usable... Kinda just one of those support cards that are good but not yay... Elegant though. Can't hate it. And not shtty.
Can this thing be used to ready abilities?
Like, if you don't use mindgate on the previous turn, can you mindgate twice?

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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1147746#msg1147746
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2014, 03:52:29 am »
Serious:
Anyway, the wording on the card is... weird.
"Returns a permanent slot into its state from the previous turn?"
..."Return a permanent slot to the state it was in on the previous turn.", surely?
Other than that, I don't see why not. It seems usable... Kinda just one of those support cards that are good but not yay... Elegant though. Can't hate it. And not shtty.
Can this thing be used to ready abilities?
Like, if you don't use mindgate on the previous turn, can you mindgate twice?

Well English is hard :P
I did thought about the abilities part after I made the card but wasn't sure how to make it/word it.
Something like: Return a permanent slot to the state it was, when you ended your previous turn.
So, if you had like the Mindgate ability unused, you can Revert to use it again.
Might be too strong with Unstable Gas that way though. (It would even work with PA!)
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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1148245#msg1148245
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2014, 05:49:57 am »
Upgraded, this might be a little scary early on if you do this on the stack that your opponent just played because then it'd all be gone.

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Re: Revert | Revert https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55128.msg1148246#msg1148246
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2014, 05:52:30 am »
Upgraded, this might be a little scary early on if you do this on the stack that your opponent just played because then it'd all be gone.

Why upgraded only?

Well serves them right :P It's like Earthquake~ Just play slowly

 

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