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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099006#msg1099006
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2013, 02:20:18 am »
Would immortal creatures be affected? RoF, Thunderstorm, Pand, Dry Spell and Sky Blitz don't but then again sundial and shields with effects (fire wall, skull shield, thorn carapace) do. If not then immortal and wise would not be removed.

Gravity pull and adrenaline cannot be lobotomized so should not be effected IMO, they are status affects not abilities. Otherwise you're asking poison not to count also. Momentum is something different. Its not an ability (except chargers) but it can be lobotomized. I'm not sure were I stand on this.

Also, "swarm" passive would set all creatures' HP to 1 for a turn or kill them all?
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099010#msg1099010
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2013, 02:31:47 am »
Would immortal creatures be affected? RoF, Thunderstorm, Pand, Dry Spell and Sky Blitz don't but then again sundial and shields with effects (fire wall, skull shield, thorn carapace) do. If not then immortal and wise would not be removed.

Gravity pull and adrenaline cannot be lobotomized so should not be effected IMO, they are status affects not abilities. Otherwise you're asking poison not to count also. Momentum is something different. Its not an ability (except chargers) but it can be lobotomized. I'm not sure were I stand on this.

Also, "swarm" passive would set all creatures' HP to 1 for a turn or kill them all?

1. Adrenaline CAN be lobotomized
2. Deactivating the swarm passive would kill all scarabs that had not increased their HP through devouring another creature or from a buff. good catch, hadn't thought of that one
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099011#msg1099011
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 02:40:26 am »
Um... Adrenaline can't be lobotomized...

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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099012#msg1099012
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 02:58:29 am »
You're right, turns out I'm insane. Carry on.
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099033#msg1099033
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 06:10:38 am »
My categorisation of abilities/skills:

Active triggered abilities. Lobotomizable. (web, infect, etc.)
Active non-triggered abilities. Lobotomizable. (momentum, bioluminesence, etc. immaterial interestingly belongs here since it's written out under the card)
Passive abilities (airborne, ranged, etc.)
Status effects (invulnerable, adrenaline, delayed, frozen, gravity pull, etc.)
^ Symbol status effects (sub-category of above with only an aesthetical difference: Momentum, Adrenaline and invulnerable adds a visible symbol on the creature. SoW belongs here as well)

Immaterial is an ability that grants invulnerable when the creature is played. Quint grants invulnerable just as Freeze grants frozen. Immaterial would be Lobotomizable if you could target the creature with Lobo.

I suggest this card disables everything except immaterial/invulnerable. Enables use with Wings. This is simple to program when it comes to active triggered abilities, but I'm not sure how it'd be done for the rest since Elements doesn't keep a history of events. Ah well, up to zanz.
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099167#msg1099167
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2013, 04:16:21 am »
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Status effects (invulnerable, adrenaline, delayed, frozen, gravity pull, etc.)
^ Symbol status effects (sub-category of above with only an aesthetical difference: Momentum, Adrenaline and invulnerable adds a visible symbol on the creature. SoW belongs here as well)

Immaterial is an ability that grants invulnerable when the creature is played. Quint grants invulnerable just as Freeze grants frozen. Immaterial would be Lobotomizable if you could target the creature with Lobo.

So some abilities are status effects. Status effects cannot be lobo'd, and that is the distinction between them and passive abilities.

Invulnerable is a status effect that renders the creature un-target-able.
Immaterial is a passive ability that grants Invulnerable to the creature possessing said ability when it is summoned.
If by the effect of psychic pulse, Immaterial is removed, the creature will still have Invulnerable. It was not Immaterial causing it's immortality, it was Immaterial giving it immortality which was then permanent. Like a life nymph playing adrenaline on herself.

Yeah I'm just repeating what you said in my own terms, it just helps me to think it through and better understand. :P

So, poison is a status which can be cured, and momentum is a status which can be lobotomized. Why are they exceptions?
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1099208#msg1099208
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 03:23:00 pm »
Because Momentum is, following Hig's definitions, "Active non-triggered abilities; Lobotomizable"

And Poison is Poison.

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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1113031#msg1113031
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2013, 10:32:13 pm »
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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1113054#msg1113054
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2013, 01:16:31 am »
Just giggle when mono-aether is the best counter to mono-aether with this and lightnings. And maybe fire shield.

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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1114846#msg1114846
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 10:42:07 pm »
Psychic Pulse + Fire Storm vs. SoFree deck... Please... Do it...

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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1114847#msg1114847
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 10:48:47 pm »
Psychic Pulse + Fire Storm vs. SoFree deck... Please... Do it...
What would that do that firestorm alone doesn't?

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Re: Psychic Pulse | Psychic Pulse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51273.msg1114933#msg1114933
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 10:30:06 am »
Psychic Pulse + Fire Storm vs. SoFree deck... Please... Do it...
wait what. SoFree doesn't block mass cc like firestorm~

 

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