Neurotoxin | Neurotoxin

[SnoWeb]

NAME: Neurotoxin ELEMENT: Time COST: 4 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Inflicts 1 poison damage and I extra poison damage for each card played.	NAME: Neurotoxin ELEMENT: Time COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Inflicts 1 poison damage and I extra poison damage for each  card played.

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/613463 IDEA: SnoWeb (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26141.0.html) NOTES: - SERIES: -

[Kuroaitou]

CURATOR COMMENT
-In regards to the art, did you contact the artist before using their work?

[ZephyrPhantom]

CURATOR COMMENT
-In regards to the art, did you contact the artist before using their work?

Actually Kuro, I had a similar dicussion previously with Kael Hate and currently AF-caard artist Product with Nymph Princess (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23679.msg326926#msg326926)' old art. I've changed the art to something that fits better for the card now (and has no odd circumstances), but regarding images with sxc.hu:

To clear up any confusion that may be lingering:

Royalty free images (a.k.a. half of the images on sxc.hu) are fine to use. They do not require the artist's permission as they have already waived those rights by agreeing to the royalty free terms and conditions set by sxc.hu.

In short: if it's royalty free, look into it to make sure, but otherwise it's all good.

Old image in question was this, slightly modfied : http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1317164

I might be wrong, but I thought I'd like to provide this to clear up any confusion that might have come in the previous discussion I had.

[SnoWeb]

Kuroaitu is right. In this case (http://www.sxc.hu/photo/897625), it is clearly stated in the image details: "Remember, YOU HAVE TO CONTACT ME before any public use of my photos."

I decided to change art.

Any comments on the card itself?

[ralouf]

That is almost a dune scorpion but who don't need any buff.. OP and redundant fot me even if the idea isn't bad

[SnoWeb]

That is almost a dune scorpion but who don't need any buff.. OP and redundant fot me even if the idea isn't bad

What are forest scorpion, arsenic and deathstalker compared to poison | deadly poison?
Let's compare:

	Deathstalker	Dune Dcorpion	Poison	Neurotoxin
Cost	2	3	1	4
Poisoning	2 normal	1 neurotoxin	2 normal	1 neurotoxin
Need buff?	Yes	Yes	No	No
Continuous poisoning?	Yes	Yes	No	Kind of yes

I understand why dune scorpion and deathstalker shouldn't be able to be played in mono. However, this situation makes their use a bit more difficult and limit them to certain kind of combinations/duo/decks.  Also deathstalker has access to nightfall whereas dune scorpion doesn't.
You will agree that in itself 1-6 poison damage won't kill any opponent. You need more. You need to be able to stall or to find a way to increase the poison/damage etc... Being able to play neurotoxin in itself would open new strategies which would be highly beneficial to Time players IMO.
Does it make this card OP? I don't think so. Does it make this card redundant? Would the existence of this card shut the use of dune scorpion down? This could be discussed. What do you guys think?

[ralouf]

IMHO this will make dune scorpion totally useless and every time deck really better.

But in every deck who use dune scorp he is almost the only creature used so when you play it you're sure that He'll get explosed in your opponent turn so He is used just to attack ONE time and die right after. This card just do the same thing for the same cost but :

Doesn't need an additionnal card (a buff).
Doesn't need an other elements than time to be efficicent.

Dune will put one counter and this one too so for me this card >> dune in all aspect.

[SteppingStone81]

4 and 1 card for neurotoxin is massively OP.

[The_Mormegil]

It kills Dune Scorpion, and gives Time a card that every deck will pack, no exception. Think of it like this: would you like to have a cost 4 creature that constantly grows each turn and is practically unstoppable, bypasses everything except one very situational card and ends up dealing about as much damage over the course of the game as a Graboid, which can be used with a single element that also has great stalling capacities?

I think this is OP. Doubling its cost might make it balanced (might).

[SnoWeb]

I wanted to have this kind of discussion since a while. This is now clear for me. Neurotoxin as a single card is way more powerful than Poison as a single card because of the neurotoxin mechanic. The community will not accept it for the reasons mentioned above. Therefore I will not resubmit the card to crucible.

[moomoose]

I really like what you were trying to do, but I agree after thinking it through it isn't practical

[SnoWeb]

I really like what you were trying to do, but I agree after thinking it through it isn't practical

I needed this thread to realise it too. I t is sad but it is so. Thanks for your support, moomoose.