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Elements the Game => Card Ideas and Art => Level 2 - Forge => Topic started by: Zyardran on January 13, 2016, 11:42:24 pm

Title: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 13, 2016, 11:42:24 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/MIEmTsl.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/QBHYa1p.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon:  Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 2 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon:  Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.

ART: Google (https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/a1/b8/45/62/8c/Icicle1_preview_featured.jpg) IDEA: Discord NOTES: Immaterial weapons are unaffected. SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/xkCPai4.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/zB1sfDL.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.

ART: Google (https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/a1/b8/45/62/8c/Icicle1_preview_featured.jpg) IDEA: Discord NOTES: Immaterial weapons are unaffected. SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/XpQcrjw.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/FYHUcSB.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% chance to freeze an enemy weapon. Breaks after 3 turns.

ART: IDEA: Discord NOTES: Immaterial weapons are unaffected. SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/vdMor6n.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/xe3Z1cF.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% to freeze enemy weapon. If enemy weapon is immaterial, will not work.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. 50% to freeze enemy weapon. If enemy weapon is immaterial, will not work.

ART: IDEA: Discord NOTES: Breaks after 3 turns SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/Tk7M4WI.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/LSt7TGH.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. Freeze a random enemy creature on the opponent's side.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: Deal 6 damage. Freeze a random enemy creature on the opponent's side.

ART: IDEA: Discord NOTES: Breaks after 3 turns SERIES:

(http://i.imgur.com/Eb6wuDe.png)	(http://i.imgur.com/zKuPm6m.png)
NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 4 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: deal 3 damage. Chance to freeze enemy weapon. Breaks after 5 turns.	NAME: Icicle ELEMENT: Water COST: 3 :water TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Weapon: deal 3 damage. Chance to freeze enemy weapon. Breaks after 5 turns.

ART: IDEA: Discord NOTES: SERIES:

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Solaris on January 13, 2016, 11:45:04 pm

This is pretty similar to one of ZephyrPhantom 's cards, IIRC. Still a fun concept

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: killsdazombies on January 14, 2016, 07:30:42 am

Link Meow? Even if they are similar all that can really do is further balance the concept to allow it to grow.


I feel like it is very weak this point though. The upgrade should at least include a damage increase, as is it's a very minor upgrade, almost not even worth it

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Basman-1453 on January 14, 2016, 08:50:54 am

Care to explain how does the chance to freeze enemy weapon work (say, a flat chance, modified by :water quanta (at attack or at casting?), or something else)?

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: ratcharmer on January 14, 2016, 01:11:04 pm

I really like the idea if a "temporary weapon" however, as zombies said I think the current incarnation is pretty weak--too little damage and too high cost.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: russianspy1234 on January 14, 2016, 06:31:00 pm

Depending on the chance to freeze this is either too weak or too strong.  I would recommend bumping the damage by 1 and keeping a relatively low chance of freezing.  Also, what do you think about freezing (disabling) enemy shield if they have one instead of the weapon?  Makes thematic sense, but is a bit weird mechanically.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Solaris on January 14, 2016, 06:37:34 pm

Quote from: killsdazombies on January 14, 2016, 07:30:42 am

Link Meow? Even if they are similar all that can really do is further balance the concept to allow it to grow.


I feel like it is very weak this point though. The upgrade should at least include a damage increase, as is it's a very minor upgrade, almost not even worth it

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/level-2-forge/frostbite-frostbite-60127/

A bit more different than I thought, but my statement stands.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 14, 2016, 09:09:52 pm

Found badass art. :o

(http://static.oprah.com/images/201106/omag/201106-omag-top-of-pop-600x411.jpg)

Trollololol ^_^

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 14, 2016, 09:10:33 pm

Quote from: UndeadSpider1990 on January 14, 2016, 09:09:52 pm

Found badass art. :o

(http://static.oprah.com/images/201106/omag/201106-omag-top-of-pop-600x411.jpg)

Trollololol ^_^

lol

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 14, 2016, 09:15:32 pm

But seriously now...

I love the idea of a weapon that freezes the enemy weapon, and it's certainly a good alternative to Trident for those not running :earth.

I agree that it's UP though. Given that some opponents won't even have a weapon, its effect is a little niche. Since the chance to freeze isn't certain, nor even unique to Water (icebolt), it doesn't add a huge deal to Water's PC arsenal. That's supposed to be constructive criticism :P Since it's going to break, I think it should be doing at least as much damage as Longsword (-1 for unupped), and probably cost less too. Pretty sure you know how awesome Discord can be for a 3 :rainbow weapon, but that does 6 damage :)

*Edit* Wow I edited this post a lot. My apost'troph'e's are all over the place today...'.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 14, 2016, 09:23:49 pm

Updated.

Yay or nay?

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 14, 2016, 11:42:13 pm

Preferred the weapon freezing mechanic ^_^

You didn't use my fabtastic art?!  :'(

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 14, 2016, 11:52:49 pm

Quote from: UndeadSpider1990 on January 14, 2016, 11:42:13 pm

Preferred the weapon freezing mechanic ^_^

You didn't use my fabtastic art?!  :'(

I would. but it doesn't seem to fit in the theme of it, sorry :(

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: russianspy1234 on January 15, 2016, 01:43:35 am

Freezing a random creature each turn and dealing 6 damage?  And you removed the breaking after a few turns?  Seems a bit too strong now.  And less interesting.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 15, 2016, 01:45:13 am

Oh right. Forgot about the break part ><

Added in notes

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Basman-1453 on January 15, 2016, 08:09:33 am

Is the upped version meant to be exactly the same with the unupped version?

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: ratcharmer on January 15, 2016, 07:48:43 pm

-Is the freeze an activated ability or does it automatically happen each time it attacks?

-If it happens automatically does the freeze still occur if the weapon is blocked?

-Can the random freeze hit immortal or burrowed creatures like ice shield can?

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Ginyu on January 17, 2016, 01:27:00 pm

I liked the ability to let it freeze weapons, that made it unique while being very well element-based. Now it just seems like an Arctic Squid, that doesn't have an upkeep, deals more damage and freezes randomly. The back draw of being a weapon isn't as tough here as you also got rid of the Squid's fragility.

In case you go back to the weapon freezing, I suggest a high freezing chance (like 50%, maybe also depending on quanta amount) and ~5 | ~6 damage at a cost of 3. Immaterial weapons should be immune to freezing.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 17, 2016, 01:42:08 pm

Updated :)

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: russianspy1234 on January 17, 2016, 03:51:35 pm

You can't just have breaks after 3 turns in the notes and no mention of it in the text...
Also, there is no need for the immaterial clause, it's assumed, even mass field spells that don't target don't affect immaterial creatures

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 17, 2016, 04:59:31 pm

That's more like it!! Mucho like-o! (I don't speak Spanish...)

I disagree with RussianSpy about the break text though. I think you should remove the text explaining that immaterial weapons can't be frozen, and add the part that it breaks in 3 turns (that's kind of important).

However, I thought voodoo doll and ice bolt freeze immaterial weapons? I could be mistaken.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Solaris on January 17, 2016, 06:37:42 pm

Quote from: russianspy1234 on January 17, 2016, 03:51:35 pm

You can just have breaks after 3 turns in the notes and no mention of it in the text...

Looks like it's just a remnant of a previous rendition of Icicle.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: russianspy1234 on January 17, 2016, 08:04:38 pm

I meant "can't"...
I liked the idea of a weapon that breaks eventually.

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 17, 2016, 08:16:45 pm

Quote from: UndeadSpider1990 on January 17, 2016, 04:59:31 pm

-snip-
add the part that it breaks in 3 turns (that's kind of important).
-snip-

Done

I should go look for some art to make it pretty

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Zyardran on January 18, 2016, 09:33:59 pm

(http://i.imgur.com/yf6p4Hh.png?1)

Modified from this: https://thingiverse-production-new.s3.amazonaws.com/renders/a1/b8/45/62/8c/Icicle1_preview_featured.jpg

Yay or nay?

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: chrispybacon84 on January 18, 2016, 09:35:42 pm

I'd love to see that

Yay!  ;D

Title: Re: Icicle | Icicle
Post by: Ginyu on January 18, 2016, 09:44:46 pm

With the breaking part, this needs to be rebalanced again. Dropping the cost to 2 :water for both, while giving the unupped 5 atk and the upped 7 atk seems fine at first glance.

Oh, and nice art!