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What should be done regarding the previous CDC awards?

All CDC awards should be removed. Future awards should be given according to current system.
All awards but 1st place should be removed. Future awards should be given according to current system.
All awards but 1st and 2nd place should be removed. Future awards should be given according to current system.
All awards should be replaced by the current CDC award. Future awards should be given according to current system.
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CI&A - Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219444#msg1219444
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:03:20 AM »
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219445#msg1219445
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 02:19:33 AM »
Thank you. Anyways, let's talk Crucible. Specifically, LFC. It seems to be that, if they aren't legacy cards made by forumgoers long farewell'd, people generally just submit their own cards, sometimes directly after posting it to the CIA itself. This is not necessarily a good thing, as far as quality control. Now that there's a fair amount of cards in Cygnia, is it possible that there could be some limitations towards submitting your own cards, or just cards as a whole to crucible? I know that it'd slow down the flow of cards coming in, but it'd increase the chance that people pick quality cards, rather than just throwing all the cards at the LFC thread that they can.

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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219450#msg1219450
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 03:24:01 AM »
Thank you. Anyways, let's talk Crucible. Specifically, LFC. It seems to be that, if they aren't legacy cards made by forumgoers long farewell'd, people generally just submit their own cards, sometimes directly after posting it to the CIA itself. This is not necessarily a good thing, as far as quality control. Now that there's a fair amount of cards in Cygnia, is it possible that there could be some limitations towards submitting your own cards, or just cards as a whole to crucible? I know that it'd slow down the flow of cards coming in, but it'd increase the chance that people pick quality cards, rather than just throwing all the cards at the LFC thread that they can.

Submitting your own cards into the system is entirely the point. The Crucible is and should be open, with a minimum entry requirement, with the Crucible and Forge polls as the quality control barring entry of poor ideas into Cygnia.

If there is truly a concern that low quality cards are slipping into Cygnia due to overflow leading to lack of quality control, I think the better solution, rather than restricting input, would be restricting output - that is, making a third poll for the Armory and only placing those winners into Cygnia.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219451#msg1219451
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 03:27:09 AM »
Thank you. Anyways, let's talk Crucible. Specifically, LFC. It seems to be that, if they aren't legacy cards made by forumgoers long farewell'd, people generally just submit their own cards, sometimes directly after posting it to the CIA itself. This is not necessarily a good thing, as far as quality control. Now that there's a fair amount of cards in Cygnia, is it possible that there could be some limitations towards submitting your own cards, or just cards as a whole to crucible? I know that it'd slow down the flow of cards coming in, but it'd increase the chance that people pick quality cards, rather than just throwing all the cards at the LFC thread that they can.

Submitting your own cards into the system is entirely the point. The Crucible is and should be open, with a minimum entry requirement, with the Crucible and Forge polls as the quality control barring entry of poor ideas into Cygnia.
Hmm, well, perhaps this is why I'm TO and not CC :P

I suggested this because I had heard/read a few times about someone remarking that there was a substantial amount of cards from one designer in the game, and I agreed.

Edit for the edit: That'd be something I'm for, personally. I'm unsure if it's totally to that point yet, but, it's certainly an option.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219578#msg1219578
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:59:53 PM »
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That would likely have been me. I don't think it's in Cygnia's interest for it to become overpowered with 1 or 2 flavours, so to speak, as it seems to take on a highly personal dimension and may reduce morale for other designers. Not to mention, especially when CCs submit card ideas, this may become a conflict of interest, as CCs have control over polls, moving card threads, etc.

This is not to say that CCs should not submit card ideas, nor that card designers should consistently try to get their ideas into Cygnia, but the hope is that Cygnia is ultimately a fair, community effort.

Thoughts about how to manage these concerns are in the works, and if any suggestions can be offered to address these concerns, they are most welcomed.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219582#msg1219582
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 05:03:47 PM »
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Not to mention, especially when CCs submit card ideas, this may become a conflict of interest, as CCs have control over polls, moving card threads, etc.
This line here is unsettling to me. A CC's number one priority should be to move cards as they were voted. Perhaps I am interpreting this sentence wrong, but, if I am interpreting it correctly, I don't like it. There should be no bias when moving cards to and from boards, just as there is no bias in any other Staff position.

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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219583#msg1219583
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 05:07:12 PM »
I think Hyroen agrees with you, but is just saying that there is potential for abuse. Hopefully the new app that I'm trying to finish up will reduce this risk.

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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219584#msg1219584
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 05:10:04 PM »
Exactly, UTAlan. Responsible people are indeed chosen to be CCs, there is however potential for abuse, and due to being CC, there may be more vested interested in moving ideas along the system.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219585#msg1219585
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 05:14:44 PM »
Exactly, UTAlan. Responsible people are indeed chosen to be CCs, there is however potential for abuse, and due to being CC, there may be more vested interested in moving ideas along the system.
I think Hyroen agrees with you, but is just saying that there is potential for abuse. Hopefully the new app that I'm trying to finish up will reduce this risk.
Which is precisely where my issue lies. If a CC themselves is bringing up the topic of abuse, where a CC would be the abuser.. it just rubs me the wrong way. I'm not accusing anyone, just a bit rattled by the subject matter and the person bringing it up.

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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219587#msg1219587
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 05:25:23 PM »
That's a strange stance MMC. Surely it's better for a CC who is in a position of power to bring it up when they realise they would be able to do something biased.

If it's being talked about, it is in no way a risk.

For example, when I was considering being CO, I made sure about the protocol with COs submitting work in competitions. For me, bringing up this issue shows that Hyroen cares about his position, and wishes to improve the protocol surrounding it.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1219588#msg1219588
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 05:39:39 PM »
In the same way that a TO would know where the vulnerabilities for abuse lie, so do CCs. While one as a CC can take advantage of the system set in place, it is poor form to do so. There has never been a documented case of suspected foul play on behalf of any CC, and no one should have any reason to suspect otherwise.

Selection of Forum Staff is done precisely so that abuse would not be suspected of any staff member. We are all responsible individuals, with the sole goal of making each section of the forums a fun, fair and interesting part of the Elements Community experience.

We should all believe in the community members that Council chooses to be staff. They've been chosen for a reason and I, for one, believe that all staff members have intentions of living up to or exceeding expectations.



If mitigating the potential for abuse is a serious concern, we can definitely continue its discussion within this thread.
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Re: CIA Suggestions and Feedback http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=60902.msg1220147#msg1220147
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2016, 11:41:50 PM »
The Cia seems to add up quickly. Only after 8 months the armory got 4 pages and over 100 cards . We need to come up with a way to solve this problem cause if Zanz would come back it's better to have a top 30 than top 200 etc. I recommend you to add another level to the Cia and start adding cards there!

I also think you should take some of the archieved cards from the armory and give them a second chance to go to the next level.
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