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Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161531#msg1161531
« on: October 21, 2014, 04:55:27 am »
NAME:
Brewing Station
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:water  Add a random Alchemy card to your hand. Can be used multiple times per turn.
NAME:
Alchemy Station
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
2
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:water  Add a random Alchemy card to your hand. Can be used multiple times per turn.

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this is designed for rainbow decks. in the description of the water element (in the screen where you choose your starter deck) it says that water controls alchemy
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Re: Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161535#msg1161535
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 07:22:56 am »
Hard to tell if it's balanced, but I love the concept.
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Re: Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161536#msg1161536
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 08:12:21 am »
There is an entropy card with that ability. Usable multiple times makes this OP.

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Re: Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161543#msg1161543
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 09:11:23 am »
There is an entropy card with that ability. Usable multiple times makes this OP.
I highly disagree. Look at the Nymphs.

Nymphs usually have a relatively high initial cost that can spam the same alchemy card for a lower cost. They also deal damage (many of them are usually quite strong). They are vulnerable to CC. 1 per turn per nymph (barring SoR)

This has a relatively low initial cost and a repeated cost that can spam random alchemy cards for full price. It does not deal damage. It is vulnerable to PC. Multiple times per turn.

Nitpicky-wise, Nymphs also leave your handspace open (+Fractal, Draws) while this clogs it (+vs. Nightmare, +vs. enemy SoBr). Nymphs are epic rare, but that is pretty much just a novelty, as they are not epically powerful (else it would show in the meta).

This might need a price increase, it might not, though I'm leaning towards +1-2 initial and +1 Activation. But it is far from being overpowered. The extra cost per card and random nature of it makes it far less powerful. As for the comparison to SoSe, SoSe makes three cards once for cheaper (significantly if this gets it's cost increased) from any card in the game (always including 1 entropy). However, the Alchemy cards alone can rarely win a game for you
Spoiler for Alchemy cards:
Antimatter: Expensive CC/healing
Aflatoxin: Expensive CC, -might- be able to use as a wincon
Blackhole: Quanta denial and healing
Basilisk blood: CC/Buff
Adrenaline: Buff
Rage Pot: CC/Buff
Nymphs Tears: Makes random nymphs (Win Con but eats into all the Water you'd need for this card)
Lumi...Light...It's late and I'm lazy: Healing and slight Quanta ramp
Unstable Gas: Damage/CC (Win Con) Vulnerable to PC
Precognition: Draw
LS: CC/Buff
Quintessense: Buff
A deck built around this would be extremely vulnerable to PC, Quanta Denial, OTK, creature spam to outpace the CC, or stall decks. I very highly doubt it's overpowered. Additionally, diminishing returns with multiple copies as being able to activate it multiple times makes extra draws worthless if your opponent didn't bring PC (and if they did, well, you're ruined anyways).
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Re: Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161554#msg1161554
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 11:29:42 am »
The effect is definitely weaker than that of Hourglass. There is a huge gap in costs of the Alchemycards that make quantabalance a pain and there is only so many targets you want to use quintessence on. It has the potential to deny you draws by getting too many alchemies of one kind or different curently unuseable ones. I think its reasonable to not cost it higher than half an Hourglass (upped should cost the same as unupped and give upped alchemies though). Not sure whether I am happy with infinite uses in one turn. It makes any more copies of the card obsolete (aside from draw chances and PC) and personally I would use this more as support card anyway (though NT makes 8 water towers 16 quantum towers and this somewhat viable (but why not just use NT in the first place then?)). I would limit it to 2 or 3 uses per turn per copy.

Edit: These cards will be useful most of the time:
Blackhole
Basilisk Blood
Rage pot
Nymphs tears
Precognition

These cards are pretty useful if you can pay them with quanta:
Antimatter
Nymphs tears
Unstable Gas

Situational:
Antimatter
Liquidshadow
Quintessence

Luciferin (situatinal synergy with hope)

Extra category: Luciferin (this will be repeatable healing for 2 :underworld; look at light nymph and you will realize that that is actually great value; but it can be even better than that if you have targets for it and other light cards)

So about half if not 3/4 of the possible results are desireable. I will stick to saying that about half an hourglas is reasonable cost (since there are several drawbacks to the randomfactor)

« Last Edit: October 21, 2014, 11:47:30 am by kaempfer13 »
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Re: Brewing Station/Alchemy Station https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56208.msg1161572#msg1161572
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 02:10:12 pm »
Given that it can create lots of card advantage, I think a cost of 3 :water unupped and 4 :chroma upped should suffice.
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