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Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168506#msg1168506
« on: November 27, 2014, 05:42:15 am »
NAME:
Blind
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
The opponent may not target or use their own creatures or permanents for three turns.
NAME:
Blind
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
The opponent may not target or use their own creatures or permanents for three turns.

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NOTES:
This produces an effect similar to cloak, except it blocks the opponents field instead of yours.
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168510#msg1168510
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2014, 06:07:21 am »
eeeeeeeeeeeeeh this seems kinda OP if its not a pure rush deck without abilities/growers (lycanthropes / forest spirits)...while I will admit I like the idea that nymphs and tridents/pulverizers cannot use their abilities, that doesn't warrant giving it so much power as a card (you have quite a bit of control with blind and cloak, but I think a reverse effect is kinda lame).
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 06:43:45 am by seulintse »
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168513#msg1168513
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2014, 06:22:13 am »
I think it will be OK if it only lasts one turn like silence. Three turns is too long though. With 6 of these you can lock down the opponent for 18 turns. That's too long for a spell,  which is basically unstoppable short of silence or qc.
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168515#msg1168515
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2014, 06:44:42 am »
... woah, didn't even notice that it was a spell instead of a permanent... yeah I definitely agree with the card curator ;P
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168524#msg1168524
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2014, 07:34:33 am »
What if you had to have 1 turn pause between using it? would that balance it? or does it need a way to be removed?
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168528#msg1168528
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2014, 08:30:54 am »
That might help a bit, but 18 turns of no abilities or skills seems a bit much. Just think of how frustrating it is playing against a dim shield wielder. Now imagine that they start using this too.

If it were on a permanent, then the 3 turn might be a little easier to handle since it can be stopped by destroying the permanent. As a spell I think its going to be very very aggravating. Even if thats not OP, its not much fun to sit there locked down for 3 turns in a row with nothing you can do about it... If you can think of a way to let players break free early, then at least that promotes some creative thinking in terms of deck design.
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168538#msg1168538
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2014, 11:17:33 am »
I like it as it's now
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1168539#msg1168539
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 11:28:46 am »
Overshadows cloak completely. It's slightly more expensive, but is stronger, can't be countered and can barely be prevented.

Lowering the reduction would make it closer to silence, while still being different.


EDIT: Now that I read the notes I think I got it (I suggest work on the wording a bit). Not being able to use your own abilities or buffing your own creatures is not always a disadvantage, which would make this card much more situational (weak vs a mindless rush, stronger vs some types of stall). It also moves the balance towards spells being even more powerful, which I'm not sure is a good idea.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2014, 11:38:37 am by andretimpa »
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1169004#msg1169004
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 08:31:40 pm »
It is OP in its current state.
Nerf the duration of the effect to one turn, like silence.

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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1169037#msg1169037
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2014, 10:14:03 pm »
it's not OP to have the opponent cloaked for himself for some turns
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Re: Blind | Blind https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56846.msg1169102#msg1169102
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2014, 06:16:29 am »
it's not OP to have the opponent cloaked for himself for some turns

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