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Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209272#msg1209272
« on: October 08, 2015, 08:23:45 pm »
NAME:
Black Dog
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 3
TEXT:
Septic: on successful attack target my be poisoned (20%)
:death :death : Maul
Deal 2 damage to target
NAME:
Hellhound
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5 | 3
TEXT:
Septic: on successful attack target my be poisoned (25%)
:death :death : Maul
Deal 2 damage to target

ART:
Treldon - source
IDEA:
Treldon
NOTES:
Maul can only target creatures.
Septic applies both to normal attacks and Maul.

Both are lobotomizable: Maul because activateable ability, Septic because Venom is also loboable
SERIES:
Skyrim Hold symbols
« Last Edit: October 12, 2015, 01:22:28 pm by Treldon »
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209277#msg1209277
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 08:58:20 pm »
Make it "20% chance", since right now it reads as "twenty percent to be poisoned".

Any particular thematic reason for the poisoning?
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209282#msg1209282
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 09:12:30 pm »
Updated.

There are two main reasons.
The first is that in most folklore I've read about the Black Dog or equivalent sightings they showed up shortly before the death of someone witnessing them - but I did not want to make it insta/delayed autokill.

Second is that biting/mauling injuries can quite often get infected, for which one of the main contributor is the bacteria in the attacker's mouth (Canine oral flora is quite nasty. Human even more so.)
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209483#msg1209483
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2015, 02:18:00 am »
20% / 30% seems rather low. At that rate its basically just an owl's eye in creature form.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209484#msg1209484
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 02:47:06 am »
Overshadows parasite.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209495#msg1209495
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 06:20:30 am »
Overshadows parasite.

As do lots of other CC sources.

20% / 30% seems rather low. At that rate its basically just an owl's eye in creature form.

The point is not to make poison guaranteed, not to completely replace Parasite. And yeah, I have been thinking about lowering the damage of Mauling to 2.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209504#msg1209504
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 07:29:09 am »
Overshadows parasite.

As do lots of other CC sources.
Except this uses the exact same two elements and both can do poison as well as serve the role of cheap damage. At least in some formats parasite could see use. With this in game, there is no reason to use parasite period.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209565#msg1209565
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 04:20:12 pm »
upgraded parasite might still see use as an inexpensive damage source. It is a 3|1 for 2 :darkness after all. That bumps up to 5|2 with eclipse.
That makes it a pretty decent hitter for the price.
Its ability will end up being ignored though, which will make the unupgraded version pretty useless.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209567#msg1209567
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 04:24:55 pm »
2 damage and 20|25% for poison (it is intended to be a bonus only)? Perhaps +1 cost?
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209568#msg1209568
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2015, 04:27:39 pm »
2 damage and 20|25% for poison (it is intended to be a bonus only)? Perhaps +1 cost?
I still think the % chance on poison could be a little higher. Dropping the direct damage is definitely a good idea though. That will keep it from outshining owl's eye. This is an important point because owl's eye is implicit balanced by the fact that you can only wield 1 at a time unless you pack additional cards (e.g. crusader or AW).

If you do go with 20 to 25% it could be interesting to have that just be a passive that applies to anything this creature damages (e.g. players and GP'd creatures).
This would help with the thematics a bit as well since anything the dog bites would get affected, not just creatures.
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209570#msg1209570
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 05:08:06 pm »
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If you do go with 20 to 25% it could be interesting to have that just be a passive that applies to anything this creature damages (e.g. players and GP'd creatures).
This would help with the thematics a bit as well since anything the dog bites would get affected, not just creatures.

True, but I'm not sure :darkness needs its own scorpion variant
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Re: Black Dog | Hellhound https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59914.msg1209571#msg1209571
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2015, 05:38:16 pm »
How about this?

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