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how should this card be modified?

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Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083360#msg1083360
« on: June 28, 2013, 06:32:06 am »
NAME:
Basic Dragon
ELEMENT:

COST:
10 :
TYPE:

ATK|HP:
11/4
TEXT:
Basic: Quanta is taken from 1 existing pool with 10 or more quanta
NAME:
Basic Dragon
ELEMENT:

COST:
12 :
TYPE:

ATK|HP:
13/6
TEXT:
Basic: Quanta is taken from 1 existing pool with 12 or more quanta

ART:
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NOTES:
i thought that there should be a dragon for other. And why not make its (unupped) stats different to all other dragons. the cost of this card means that if you have 10 death and 10 entropy quanta, it will take 10 from one at random but if you have 9 water and nothing else, you cant play it.
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083361#msg1083361
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 06:44:19 am »
So... it has a Fused cost?

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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083362#msg1083362
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 06:49:59 am »
If you want to call it that, yeah. But the idea existed long before Fused was used as a term.
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083364#msg1083364
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 06:54:14 am »
I just used it as clarification in regards to what I knew, since it seems I hold it as the contemporary term for it.

I was not aware that it was pursued before, but not surprised at the fact that it was.

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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083365#msg1083365
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 06:58:46 am »
Well, the fact that this has higher attack than the other dragons makes it OP imo. I mean, in almost any deck that uses dragons, you can pop in these instead and have a higher attack output than before.
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083366#msg1083366
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 07:06:12 am »
unlike other dragons though, this can be killed with a simple shockwave. as well as the fact that effects like poison take fewer turns to kill and scarabs and otys can eat them faster
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083409#msg1083409
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 02:12:28 pm »
I'd nightmare this with a bonewall up for easy lockdown.
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083412#msg1083412
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 02:22:16 pm »
unlike other dragons though, this can be killed with a simple shockwave. as well as the fact that effects like poison take fewer turns to kill and scarabs and otys can eat them faster

That's Crimson/Ruby dragon's job. You could put this in a mono-:earth with plate armors and get around these limitations (while using Crimson/Ruby you'd need to run a duo)
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083413#msg1083413
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 02:31:59 pm »
This can be used in any deck.

In element dragon can't.

If you want a strong attacker for, say, gravity, you would definitely use this.

Versatility... I say make it a little weaker than other dragons.

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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083416#msg1083416
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 02:40:45 pm »
Health is overrated.  At least in the case of rush decks (I'd classify most decks as rush decks, since most people aim to end a game in 9 turns or less), when people look at creatures, they look at damage per quanta spent.  It's no biggie if someone kills your creature, because you'll just play more of them.

Every colored dragon has an attack of 10 or less, save for :fire, which is themed around high attack fragile health creatures, so it has a 12/3 dragon.  Every colored dragon has health of 5 or more, save for :fire.  When I hear the term "basic" dragon and see an uncolored dragon, I imagine that to be what its name implies.  A plain dragon with stats unaffected by the theme of any of the elements.  Something like 10/5 for 10 quanta, and 11/6 for 12 when upgraded.  Boring, I know.

Thing is, you're already getting an advantage out of this card because you can play it in any deck, using any element.  It would essentially replace existing dragons in many/most cases.  Hardly anybody would care that it has 4 health instead of 5 if they're getting an extra point of damage (or two for some elements) each turn for the same cost as a colored dragon (the exception being  :aether, which costs 13 because it's invincible). 

There ought to be some kind of tradeoff for the huge advantage of being able to stick this in any deck.  It shouldn't have more preferable stats on top of that.  Maybe, because this dragon isn't affiliated with any of the elements, it's not airborne like the others?  It takes element-juice to fly?
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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083427#msg1083427
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 03:16:04 pm »
Well, the fact that this has higher attack than the other dragons makes it OP imo. I mean, in almost any deck that uses dragons, you can pop in these instead and have a higher attack output than before.

I have to agree.  This overshadows dragons in elements that have underwhelming ones, which is about half of them.

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Re: Basic Dragon | Basic Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50113.msg1083436#msg1083436
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 03:43:14 pm »
Adding my voice to the others.

Idea of "Other" dragon:  good, or at least unbad.
This particular implementation:  needs work.  Definitely OP.
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