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Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123565#msg1123565
« on: January 28, 2014, 03:17:17 pm »
NAME:
Ash yard
ELEMENT:
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COST:
5 :fire
TYPE:
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TEXT:
Whenever a creature you control dies, instead they turn into ash with the ability :reborn  :life
NAME:
Ash yard
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
4 :fire
TYPE:
Permanent
TEXT:
Whenever a creature you control dies, instead they turn into ash with the ability :reborn  :life

ART:
From ETG, so either fotosynthesis, cryotube, vrt or Zanzarino
IDEA:
Blacksmith
NOTES:
A fun way to buff both mono  :life and  :fire whiteout making the rushes better, just adding more versatile to them both. I don't think it's op even if it's fairly cheep. I think it could be a fun card to play around with.
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123572#msg1123572
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2014, 03:50:49 pm »
Nice card effect. How do you suggest that the ash 'know' what it should be reborn into? Perhaps have this permanent create an 'ash token' with an image slot to keep a smaller image of the destroyed creature, but an not sure about the coding for this. Also, why is earth included, the only earth creature that would be especially vulnerable to dying  by CC is gnome rider, or shrieker.

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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123581#msg1123581
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 04:44:57 pm »
Nice card effect. How do you suggest that the ash 'know' what it should be reborn into? Perhaps have this permanent create an 'ash token' with an image slot to keep a smaller image of the destroyed creature, but an not sure about the coding for this. Also, why is earth included, the only earth creature that would be especially vulnerable to dying  by CC is gnome rider, or shrieker.
Thank you. Well I haven't thought of that actually. The scrolling part sounds smart especially since there already is an image when you scroll over it. In other words simply don't change the picture for this card when it is changed. Since the ability is on the permeant anyway. Well you are right that earth doesn't benefit much from this however earth still turn to ash when fired.
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123598#msg1123598
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 07:39:50 pm »
Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123602#msg1123602
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 07:48:07 pm »
I saw this card a while ago from you and it was love from the first sight;p I love this card and really hope its implemented. Perhaps you should rename the skill to something else than reborn cause that skill is  :fire meaning it would be reborn as phoenix but excellent job there :D
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123611#msg1123611
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 08:27:45 pm »
Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?

Probably picked those with the following reasoning; fire because of phoenix and its ability, life due to the thematic rebirth aspect of the card, and earth because he is the master of earth, and as such likes dealing with the earth element. Just a hunch though...

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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123821#msg1123821
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 05:37:00 pm »
Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?
At first ty. Well you might have a point there. earth+fire=lava not ash. Well I somehow like it to include more elements, but it doesn't fit very many of them for example air creatures which are made of gas and air can't turn into ash when killed, would sound strange to me.

Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?
Probably picked those with the following reasoning; fire because of phoenix and its ability, life due to the thematic rebirth aspect of the card, and earth because he is the master of earth, and as such likes dealing with the earth element. Just a hunch though...
YOu are rigth about the first 2. About the earth part I thought that it could fit but it doesn't really do thinking twice of it.

I saw this card a while ago from you and it was love from the first sight;p I love this card and really hope its implemented. Perhaps you should rename the skill to something else than reborn cause that skill is  :fire meaning it would be reborn as phoenix but excellent job there :D
Thank you, I'm glad you think so cause I think this is 1 of my better ideas too.  Well actually the phoenix name is rebirth and not reborn.

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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123834#msg1123834
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 06:51:45 pm »
Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?
At first ty. Well you might have a point there. earth+fire=lava not ash. Well I somehow like it to include more elements, but it doesn't fit very many of them for example air creatures which are made of gas and air can't turn into ash when killed, would sound strange to me.

Hmm, interesting card, I like the concept :) However, I like thinking about earth as element resistent to fire. In addition, following your thinking, to be consequent, you should include all creatures except for immaterial ones. Immolation can be used on all of those creatures. Thus I don't really know why you chose only 3 elements, especially earth, and why not for example air or time?
Probably picked those with the following reasoning; fire because of phoenix and its ability, life due to the thematic rebirth aspect of the card, and earth because he is the master of earth, and as such likes dealing with the earth element. Just a hunch though...
YOu are rigth about the first 2. About the earth part I thought that it could fit but it doesn't really do thinking twice of it.

I saw this card a while ago from you and it was love from the first sight;p I love this card and really hope its implemented. Perhaps you should rename the skill to something else than reborn cause that skill is  :fire meaning it would be reborn as phoenix but excellent job there :D
Thank you, I'm glad you think so cause I think this is 1 of my better ideas too.  Well actually the phoenix name is rebirth and not reborn.

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Indeed, well I think that with some changes it would be an awesome addition to the game.
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123837#msg1123837
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 07:05:50 pm »
:fire, :life, :light, maybe :time and/or :death
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123864#msg1123864
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 09:00:38 pm »
In my opinion it would be only  :death, but it seems that  :fire is a sure one. Death is the element that triger things when someone dies so, it will be a forced sinergy with  :death (only turn into ashes  :death creatures).

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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1123870#msg1123870
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 09:13:52 pm »
'Well I somehow like it to include more elements, but it doesn't fit very many of them for example air creatures which are made of gas and air can't turn into ash when killed, would sound strange to me."

The important question for me here is whether for example air CREATURES are made of gas? What about time creatures? Made of.... time? I think almost all of them have flesh that can be burnt and turned into ash. Even aether has spider which seems to have flesh. I don't know. the question is... Do I CREATE a creature out of certain element, or is it more like summoning cost? May anyone actually explain this to me?
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Re: Ash yard l Improved Ash yard https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53564.msg1124163#msg1124163
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 07:00:18 pm »
'Well I somehow like it to include more elements, but it doesn't fit very many of them for example air creatures which are made of gas and air can't turn into ash when killed, would sound strange to me."

The important question for me here is whether for example air CREATURES are made of gas? What about time creatures? Made of.... time? I think almost all of them have flesh that can be burnt and turned into ash. Even aether has spider which seems to have flesh. I don't know. the question is... Do I CREATE a creature out of certain element, or is it more like summoning cost? May anyone actually explain this to me?
YOu might have a point here. The abstract creatures might actually still consist of flesh and bone. I shall look deeper into this.

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:earth
Spoiler for Hidden:
Earth elementals has power over minerals, metalls and terrestrial beings.
With this I think zanz means that they are metal,minerals and terrestrial beings. SO by that I think they should be added.
:air air is made of gas and air creatures according to zanz, so they should be added I think.
:water They are ice, aquatic and alchemy beings. I don't think that would fit.
:death
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Death elementals are often made of what’s left from a living creature after its demise, you can picture them as made of bones, but that would be simplistic, most of them are made of a liquid similar to petroleum or a solid similar to coal. They often look like frail skinny figures, but they will not die if you stick a knife where you think their heart should be, in fact, the best way to hurt them is to try to heal them – burning them might be an option. Death is that force that incessantly infects, ruins, poisons and causes a living thing to finally give up; it forces them to attempt to create an offspring before too much damage is done to preserve the spark of life. Do not judge it as an evil force; it is also what keeps the death/ life cycle of the universe in motion.
By this I think they would fit perfectly.
 :gravity
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elementals are chunky, dense, heavy beings, somewhat similar to sumo wrestlers. They control that force that pulls you close to another object and its direction. They can decide to make themselves a center of gravity making you fall toward them; or they can decide to put that center of gravity somewhere else in the space and they can simply fall there, instead of walking. They ultimately control acceleration, and the motion of anything around them. Gravity works sometime as the opposite of entropy, remember that drop of ink dissolving in the glass of water? Gravity elementals could turn it back into a perfect sphere of ink suspended in the middle of the water.
I don't know what to say about this but I don't think it would fit.
 :entropy
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Entropic elementals do now have a defined form; they look fluid, ever-changing in shape. Entropy itself works like a force that separates and creates random entities at the same time, like dropping some black ink in a glass of clear water, what is that thing that created all of those strange shapes within the water?
I don't' think they would fit very well.

Sadly I don't think I can find much more since Zanz hasn't said very much about the elements.
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