[Series] Alchemic pillar | Alchemic pillar

[abrabam]

The series contains permanents that convert 1 quantum of the element into a quantum of a different one. In the example, fire generates water. I suggest following synergies.

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Despite being a "pillar", I would prolly limit the number in each deck to 6 as with normal permanents. So perhaps the name should be changed. But let's discuss the idea first.

EDIT: or perhaps, to avoid "dual" synergies, a circle could be designed (but I cannot avoid a few weaker synergies in this variant, like water/time in the example below)...

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[foxrain4]

how is this better than just a water pillar @.@
and im guessing you can only convert 1 quanta per turn.
the idea definitely looks cool though.

[abrabam]

how is this better than just a fire pillar @.@
and im guessing you can only convert 1 quanta per turn.
the idea definitely looks cool though.

it is fitter for situations of dual/trio decks... basically the difference from pendula is that here you can just activate the skill when you need it

[Treldon]

The circular approach sounds better.

For name I suggest Alchemic Table

How many times can the skill be used per turn? Once or unlimited?

[Espithel]

This card does not work correctly as it stands, because you can only activate an ability once per turn.
The proper wording would look like this:


As for the card, allow the skill to be readied the turn it enters play (To ready a skill is to allow it to be used), and remove the cost. Why? ... Because I feel the card is slightly too weak as it stands.

Name should be changed to not be a pillar.
Table works fine.

[abrabam]

This card does not work correctly as it stands, because you can only activate an ability once per turn.
The proper wording would look like this:


As for the card, allow the skill to be readied the turn it enters play (To ready a skill is to allow it to be used), and remove the cost. Why? ... Because I feel the card is slightly too weak as it stands.

Name should be changed to not be a pillar.
Table works fine.

I was uncertain whether ability should have been multiple, but prolly yep, it should. However, if it is usable many times every turn, it is prolly unnecessary to make it usable as soon as it's played.

[Espithel]

The cost AND the summoning sickness makes it usable at turn 3 without upgrades/novas. That's far too long to get use out of a quanta source.

[andretimpa]

-> + rustler = unlimited quanta of both types.

Insead of removing multiple activations per tuen I'd change the pairings around.

[abrabam]

-> + rustler = unlimited quanta of both types.

Insead of removing multiple activations per tuen I'd change the pairings around.

That is absolutely ok. Suggestions are welcome. I think that the water-fire connection is good, and also the earth-darkness and the time-gravity ones. But I am ready to change the circle to make it more balanced.

As for cost, you can play it immediately with a nova and activate in the following turn. Or am I missing the point?

[andretimpa]

Another problem of using duo pairs instead of a cycle is that by combining a pillar with its opposite you can cast more than once in the same turn draining spells. This is not a problem with Miracle, though it makes the card stronger. It is a problem with fractal and even worse with Sky Blitz (since you don't need a huge amount of quanta to make the best of it).

So I think the best idea is to use a cycle, without -> as one of the links (I'd avoid -> too, as it would just be a more inneficient rustler).

[Espithel]

As for cost, you can play it immediately with a nova and activate in the following turn. Or am I missing the point?

The point is, there's very little point playing these pillars, unupped, if you have to add 4 novas into the deck to use them reliably on turn two, or if you can only start using them at turn three.

It's true for all quanta sources, really.

[andretimpa]

I'd make the unnuped cost 0 but with summoning sickness and remove the summoning sickness from the upped, meaning that the upgraded is one turn faster and if you have them together with pillars/towers in your starting hand then you can start using the alchemic pillars on the same turn that you get quanta for it.