[Official] Vulture | Condor

[ratcharmer]

Okay, so it isn't the weakest card out there, but I think vulture needs some love.

Even in decks like fractal retrovirus or fractal sparks that specialize in triggering lots of death effects Ivory dragon is the preferred creature for damage dealing over condor. It seems like since soul catcher came out this guy's just been outclassed.



I'm not looking for a huge buff here, just a small stat boost or maybe -1 cost.

[Isei]

I feel like even more of a buff than that would be needed.  Small creatures that need help from other cards are just not what the vast majority of decks need.

[Nepycros]

You talk of Fractal Retroviruses but... what about Fractal Condors? 8)

Seriously though, you guys aren't openin' your mind, which is why I recommend this prescription where...

Jokes aside, it's my honest opinion that it's better to increase the number of creatures that benefit from death than the dying creatures themselves!

[AnoverX]

scavenger is a VERY POWERFUL skill on a DEATH creature, because it works perfectly with the death CC cards.

no buff needed.

[ddevans96]

A powerful skill on a weak creature does not make a powerful creature. Vulture definitely needs more HP or a lower cost.

[AnoverX]

A powerful skill on a weak creature does not make a powerful creature. Vulture definitely needs more HP or a lower cost.

A powerful skill on a strong/cheap creature make an op creature.

[ztormtrooper]

A powerful skill on a weak creature does not make a powerful creature. Vulture definitely needs more HP or a lower cost.

A powerful skill on a strong/cheap creature make an op creature.

well do you know how long it takes for the vulture or condor to be in a pwnage stage? I mean if your facing RoL/hope not long but if you facing high hp creature long. However a -1 cost make it  2 cost is gonna be good for it.

[Rastafla]

Lower cost. Everything with death is so delayed and thus death is not all that good at control. Scavenge is imho the worst ability there is. The only time its good is under RoF or fractal ball lightning.

[TheIdioticIdiot]

I think 2 /2 is acceptable

[ratcharmer]

@Nepycros:
Fractal condor CAN be somewhat effective, but the same deck using Ivory dragons instead can kill FGs ( http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17967.0.html )
Let's do a side-by-side comparison:
When fractalling dragons, one first uses fractal on retrovirus. This combines with soul catcher to give enough to fractal the dragons. This also provides early cc and stalling (by boosting bonewall).
Now for condor. Generally, you want to play the condors first, so they can get boosted when the retroviruses die. This means that a) the initial fractal is more expensive b) your cc and stalling is delayed and c) your attackers still only do 1 damage until the second fractal.
even after the second fractal there's a 1-turn delay before the retroviruses can use their skill, and assuming 8 deaths that turn, the condors are still only at 9 attack versus the dragons 11. Generally by the time the condors can catch up in damage the dragon deck is ready to lay down another fractal of dragons.

@AnoverX:
Why is scavenger particularly strong on a card? Death actually doesn't have very good cc.
Compared to other growth abilities scavenger gives less of a boost and needs another card to trigger it, but it can trigger more often and has no quanta cost  to use, so I'd put them about equal. However, vulture/condor starts with worse stats than other growth creatures, and it's more expensive than forest spirit or fire spirit. (the closest growth creatures stat-wise)

[killybob]

I think 2 /2 is acceptable

sounds about right. there is no way it needs a stat boost since you're only gonna play it if you're gonna use it, so soon enough it will become more powerful. 2/2 sounds balanced.

[PlayerOa]

Voting for 1|2 unupped and 2|4 upped.